Katie interviews Julie Lythcott-Haims, the author of Real American: A Memoir and former Dean of the Freshman at Stanford University where she was known as “Dean Julie.” They talk about stereotypes like “oreos” and angry black women, the committee that anoints black people, language and black literary mothers, and whether there is hope for America.

Photo credit: Kristina-Vetter

Sources:

Buy Real American: A Memoir from my favorite bookstore

Read more on Julie’s black literary mother Lucille Clifton

Music:

Blank and Kytt - RSPN

Marc Perry (aka Holy MTNS)