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Live from MMA Fighting

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Studios, this is Between

1:18

the Links. Your

1:22

host, Mike

1:25

Heck. The

1:29

iconic voice of Esther Lynn welcomes you

1:32

to a brand new edition of BTL.

1:34

We're back on another Thursday, same old show.

1:37

New chair though. Look at this bad boy.

1:39

I look like I'm freaking Dr. Claw or

1:42

something from Inspector Gadget, but a lot to

1:44

discuss as always on today's edition

1:46

of the program. So let us

1:48

introduce the combatants first. He's back.

1:51

Take a week off, but now

1:53

the take shall be even spicier.

1:55

I would assume from MMA fighting.com,

1:57

Mr. No gray area himself. Hi

2:00

Jed, feeling refreshing? Hey, no,

2:03

not at all. I didn't, I

2:05

forgot I had a dentist appointment until like

2:07

the evening before. And I was

2:10

like, whoops, can't do it.

2:12

I'll be under the knife

2:14

and just deeply

2:16

intoxicated on nitrous oxide, which, you know, was

2:19

kind of fun. But we're not here to

2:21

talk about that. We're here to talk about

2:23

other stuff in the fight

2:25

world. So whoopee! Yay!

2:28

And back on the program, he's

2:30

MMA Fighting's road warrior, resident coffee

2:32

guru. In fact, we got

2:34

to grab some coffee this past Saturday in

2:37

the NYC. And he's an

2:39

enthusiast of high level fisticuffs, the

2:41

social media giant himself, the

2:43

sleeveless Jose Young. How are you, buddy?

2:46

I feel great. You're over it. Look

2:48

at the biceps. We finally have

2:50

nice days in New York. It's overcast,

2:53

but high 70s. So, you

2:56

know, I forgot when I left the

2:58

Northeast how unbearably humid this place gets.

3:01

So that's fun. But at least we can go

3:03

outside and sleeveless shirts now. Nice.

3:07

Well, let us get into it. The UFC's

3:10

latest pay-per-view offering is in the

3:12

books. Unfortunately, not a

3:15

lot of people seem to care all that much,

3:17

which is a little bit unfortunate because it was

3:20

a pretty fun watch. Had a good

3:22

competitive championship main event. We

3:25

had some nostalgia, some big finishes, and even

3:27

some revenge. So, Jose, let

3:29

us begin with you. When you

3:31

look back at 2024, a few

3:33

years from now, and you're asked

3:35

about UFC 301 specifically, how

3:38

will you remember this card? Hmm.

3:44

It's not going to be in the top 10 pay-per-views of

3:46

the year of 2024. I'll say that much. Most

3:49

likely. Because I know UFC 297 wasn't that great either. That

3:52

was the first one in January. But, you

3:55

know, I think the build-up for that had a lot

3:57

of unfortunate...

4:00

conversations that popped up. So people are going to

4:02

remember that I'm talking about quality of card, I'm

4:04

just talking about things that people will remember. So

4:06

I think UFC 297 will be

4:09

remembered for a going back to Toronto, the

4:11

Sean Strickland show, the Dreykis win

4:13

and all that. And then February

4:16

was the Elia Toporia show, March

4:19

was the Sean Sean O'Malley

4:21

show, April was UFC 300. So UFC

4:23

301 is probably the least memorable pay

4:26

per view of the year so

4:28

far. And we've only probably hopefully gone bigger

4:30

and better ones coming. I know there's a,

4:33

there seems to be a lull in late

4:35

summer with lack of headliners or lack of

4:37

announced headliners. And I, for whatever reason, I

4:39

think UFC 308 is announced for Abu Dhabi

4:43

in October, which if you're doing

4:46

the math, UFC 305 is in

4:48

August and then UFC 308 is

4:50

in October, which means there has to be

4:52

two pay per views between August, the

4:54

August pay per view and then the Abu

4:56

Dhabi pay per view unless they rename things.

4:58

So hopefully we can get some fun pay

5:00

per view headliners then. But as of right

5:02

now, UFC 301 is probably the least memorable

5:06

pay per view. Fun card, like you said,

5:08

like very fun finishes. And I'm sure

5:10

we'll talk about that by the end of the year,

5:12

but overall top to bottom 301 is probably going to

5:15

fall into that category of like when Jamal Hill

5:17

fall, go over to Shara. Like people just didn't

5:19

really talk about that pay per view after it

5:21

happened, especially after it happened last year. So five,

5:24

the fifth best pay per view of the year,

5:26

I would say so far. Jed,

5:29

how will you remember this one? I

5:33

will say that Jose, we do have 306 too,

5:35

because 306 is a sphere. So

5:37

it's just 307 is going to

5:40

happen early October,

5:42

I guess. I'm going to guess,

5:44

I'm going to guess that's in a place

5:47

that they usually go to that they haven't announced

5:49

yet, but they signed a deal with. That's all

5:51

I can probably say. Yeah, sounds

5:53

I won't say pitch. I

5:57

don't think we're gonna say anything totally different, but

5:59

I haven't come to this. from a different angle,

6:01

right? Because sure, this is probably the least memorable

6:03

pay-per-view, but we can have said that coming in.

6:05

Like, this is a pay-per-view being

6:07

headlined by 100 Pentosia versus a guy that no

6:10

one knows in Steve Ursig. It

6:13

doesn't have the top billing like Volkonovski

6:15

Topurea was or certainly the changing of

6:17

the guard moment. So it's not memorable

6:19

in that way. I think

6:21

this is the third best pay-per-view of the

6:23

year if you are just talking about watching

6:25

the part you paid money for. Like,

6:28

nothing's ever going on a top 300

6:31

that just has too much going for

6:33

it. And 299 was also exceptional. But

6:35

like, though those are

6:37

real outliers in terms of

6:39

pay-per-view quality fight

6:41

cards anyway. And so it's

6:44

no shame to come up short next

6:46

to those. But 298 like

6:48

clearly has the fun ending

6:50

moment Ilya Topurea sort of ascends. The rest

6:53

of that card, the rest of the main

6:55

card, not talking about the parts you get

6:57

to watch on ESPN. Stuff you paid the

6:59

80 bucks for. Pretty

7:01

mid, like just a lot of decisions, fights

7:03

that are fine, but not like things that

7:05

are exciting. Whereas this one, we

7:07

got some squash matches. We got Anthony Smith

7:10

pulling off a massive upset. We

7:12

got the return of the goat. And then we

7:14

got a very competitive back and forth fun title

7:17

fight. Like, I think this is just

7:19

based on the quality of the viewing

7:21

experience, the third best pay-per-view of the

7:24

year from an enjoyment standpoint, even if

7:26

it did kind of feel like a

7:28

fight night. And ultimately, we're not going

7:30

to remember too much about it. Tanner

7:34

Iskra Yeah. And I would say this is, there's two

7:36

real storylines that came out of this, if you even

7:38

want to call it that. One

7:41

was right at the very top with Alexander

7:43

Pantoja, Jed and Steve Ursegg, Vinnie Siggs, and

7:46

good old Vincenzo went in there and put up

7:48

one hell of a fight. A lot of people

7:51

felt like he beat Alexander Pantoja, but

7:53

you talk about different weapons all the

7:55

time, just hit really hard. Athleticism is

7:57

a cheat code. You also talk about,

8:00

about the importance of durability and how big of

8:02

a weapon that is. And if

8:04

that is the case, Alexandra Pantoja is

8:06

a man demon. This man cannot be hurt.

8:08

He can't be knocked down. And it was

8:11

such a big weapon for him in this

8:13

fight. Plus, he was able to just battle

8:15

it out and do Pantoja things. And he

8:18

got the unanimous decision win. Biggest

8:20

takeaway, Jed, from that fight, and to

8:23

add a little wrinkle to this, what

8:25

should be next for Pantoja after taking some time

8:27

off, as you said, after the fight? It's

8:32

such a cheat code, Mike. It

8:34

is such a cheat code to

8:36

just be impervious to harm. It's

8:38

ridiculous. It just makes it so you're not

8:41

fighting a fair fight. Because if I'm invulnerable,

8:43

and you were vulnerable, even if you were

8:45

much better at all other parts of fighting,

8:48

just the law of numbers, eventually, I

8:50

get to boop you and you die.

8:52

And you can never hurt me. It's such

8:54

a ridiculous cheat code. And like, Max

8:57

Holloway is obviously very, very good at fighting. But

9:00

it's also backed up by like the world's

9:02

biggest cheat code and that you can't hurt

9:05

him. And when Jose Aldo fought Montpalau, like

9:07

that was when it really solidified for me.

9:09

Because like, you see

9:11

the difference in the Jose Aldo versus

9:14

Max Holloway and like Jose versus Jonathan

9:16

Martinez this fight, right? Where like Martinez

9:18

started to do something and Jose be

9:21

like, Oh, it's time to hit him

9:23

real hard. And it'll back up. And

9:25

he did that max was like, whatever,

9:27

we're cool. The same principles apply for

9:29

Pantosha. He is not

9:31

a striker that you would ever

9:33

tell people like, you should fight

9:35

like him. That is the textbook

9:37

that that's model your striking game

9:39

after him. Particularly

9:41

against like a guy like Ersek, who is

9:43

so much bigger than him physically, he really

9:46

struggled to get inside and do things appropriately.

9:48

So it was just like, whatever, Yolo, I'm

9:50

gonna walk in, he can hit me, it's

9:52

gonna be fine. I'll eat that elbow and

9:55

maybe I'll cut, but I won't be concussed.

9:57

And then I'm in this space. I want

9:59

to. to be. It's a ridiculous cheat

10:01

code and his game is in

10:03

some ways built around it. And good.

10:06

That's what you should do when you

10:08

have serious advantages. You should build your

10:10

game around those and Pantosia clearly has.

10:13

And so my biggest takeaway is like, I

10:15

knew that he was very tough and very

10:17

durable. But at some point, you just keep

10:20

watching it over and over again. You're like,

10:22

oh, he actually just can't. He just really

10:24

does have one of those all

10:26

time chins like you just

10:28

can't ever crack him because those elbows from

10:30

her saying like that was clearly a plan.

10:32

They looked at him like he is going

10:34

to step in. We might

10:36

not catch him with with the mitts

10:38

coming in just because of the timing.

10:40

But he is going to put himself

10:43

into this space and I will meet

10:45

him with bone into his temple. And

10:47

that will be the decider. And it

10:49

happened exactly like it was drawn up. And it

10:51

didn't do a goddamn thing to stop

10:53

that man, because he cannot be killed.

10:55

And and so good for you. That's

10:57

that's unbelievable. And

11:00

what should be next for Pantosia? Oh, I

11:02

forgot what should be next. Oh, they just

11:05

announced yesterday. I think it was yesterday, right?

11:07

Cop versus Micaev is taking place at the

11:09

Manchester card. Time on works out perfectly the

11:11

winner that gets to title fight Miro Bozzi

11:14

sucks to be you. But

11:16

he pants already said he wants to

11:18

sit out. I think he's kind of

11:20

targeting late into the year December. Blinds

11:22

up perfectly the winner of Micaev cop.

11:25

There's I think there can be no bones about

11:27

that. The winner of that fight deserving a

11:29

title fight. Knock

11:32

on wood, assuming it happens, no cop making it

11:34

to fight week has been pretty hit or miss

11:36

in the last couple of years. But assuming that

11:38

fight happens, that's a clear number one continued about

11:43

Jose biggest takeaway from the main event? Was

11:45

it on the champion side? Was it on

11:47

Steve or seg side? And do you agree

11:49

with Jed that the cop Micaev winner should

11:52

be next? Biggest

11:54

takeaway I would agree with Jed. It's just the

11:56

durability and Demetrius Johnson

11:58

basically said, what how did he described

12:00

it like he's not going out there just like

12:02

dominating you. He's just kind of pulling out these

12:04

wins and fighting to street strategically, which is good

12:06

on you, man. I think he's what Panto just

12:09

seven and oh, against the top

12:11

five of the UFC flyweight division.

12:13

So wins are

12:15

the most important thing in sports. And

12:18

I know the using term sports, when

12:20

describing mixed martial arts, specifically the UFC

12:22

is kind of an

12:24

argument unto itself. But I choose to

12:26

view it as a sport being seven,

12:28

no against the elite of the elite

12:31

is very impressive. And Alexandra Pantoja though,

12:33

it's, it's in that unfortunate, like

12:35

we look fondly back at Brandon Moreno's run

12:37

because every single fight he, he was in

12:40

was unbelievable. And to me, just Johnson was,

12:42

uh, the one of,

12:44

if not the most dominant champions in the

12:46

history of this entire sport. Davidson

12:49

Figuero had that quadrology, quadriology, whatever you

12:51

guys were calling it these days against

12:53

Brandon Moreno. And every single one was

12:55

an absolute banger. And Pantoja is just

12:59

really good and beat a lot of the guys

13:01

that are in the top five on the way

13:03

to winning the title.

13:05

And this is, you know, that argument that people

13:07

always say like, Oh, like max Hollywood beat everyone

13:09

in that top five or whatever on his, on

13:12

n routes, winning the featherweight

13:14

title against Josie Aldo. And then basically he just

13:16

lapped the division Pantoja's lap in the division and

13:18

just a less flashy, exciting way.

13:21

So I think Pantoja is going to

13:23

be an underappreciated champion for a very

13:25

long time, especially if he just quote

13:27

unquote, just keeps winning and not just

13:29

melting or running over people. And it's

13:31

just putting on durable, high

13:33

level performances. I do agree Manel Cop versus Muhammad

13:36

Mahayev is a fight to make for the normal

13:38

contender. If Manel Cop can make weight and win,

13:40

I would love to see that fight. Uh,

13:43

I think we had this conversation the last Thursday,

13:45

right? Like Manel Cop hasn't

13:47

really beaten anyone in the top 15. So Muhammad

13:50

Mahayev is also, I

13:52

know people are kind of down on him a bit

13:55

because of his last performance that haven't been overly stellar

13:57

or exciting, but the man has proved he can. 15

14:01

minutes against the top 10 of the flyway division.

14:03

Good on him. Minel Cop hasn't fought

14:05

anyone really high up in the top 15. So this

14:07

will answer kind of both questions. Now the one, I

14:09

can't imagine Minel Cop is going to be a boring

14:11

fight. His last fight in Sydney was a lot of

14:13

fun. I

14:16

don't know what Amir Al-Bazi should do though. Cause

14:18

he seemed to be the number one contender. And

14:20

now if Pantoge has taken some time off it,

14:22

wants to come back in December, unless they throw

14:25

a boatload of money at him to fight Amir

14:27

Al-Bazi on the Abu Dhabi carb, maybe a co-man

14:29

event. That could work too. Cause

14:31

Monday talks, I just sucks to be Amir

14:33

Al-Bazi just like Jed said. And

14:36

I don't know what Kai-Car France is up to.

14:38

Kai-Car France called out Steve Urcek for the Perth

14:40

card, which is seeming to make sense. You know,

14:42

Australia versus New Zealand, Steve Urcek is from Perth.

14:44

That would be a lot of fun. And then

14:46

Amir Al-Bazi is once again, the last

14:48

man standing without an opponent. Yeah,

14:52

he's going to fight Brandon Roybal probably. I mean,

14:54

that's pretty much all that's really available, which I'm

14:56

okay with it. Getting to fight the number one

14:58

guy is a pretty decent consolation process. Yeah. I

15:02

mean, number one, you also get a title shot.

15:06

Maybe. Yeah. Perhaps.

15:08

It's a bit of a, I wouldn't hate it if they threw

15:10

Roybal and Brandon Roybal on that

15:13

Manchester card too. Or Roybal

15:15

versus Al-Bazi on that Manchester card too. Similar.

15:18

Number one, Machida fought Bader and Shogun fought

15:20

Brandon Vera. And Dan was like, whoever has

15:22

the most exciting finish gets the next title

15:24

shot. Just do that. Just

15:26

do that. I like that idea.

15:29

Except if Roybal beats Al-Bazi, then I don't

15:31

care. Just whoever wins from a guy of

15:34

cop gets the title shot. Sure. I don't

15:36

need to see Roybal fight for, fight

15:38

Pants again like this soon. Yeah.

15:42

Well, let's talk about Jose Aldo, Jose

15:44

Youngs. This guy is just so damn good. Let

15:46

me also jump in with one thing that neither of

15:48

us mentioned, because I don't think it's apparent. Pants

15:51

is now the only fighter in flyweight history

15:53

with two title offenses. He

15:55

is second only to Beatrice Johnson in title

15:57

defenses. And I feel like that kind of,

16:00

of went under the radar. But like,

16:03

like Jose said, wins are what

16:05

matters. And he is now the

16:07

this definitionally the second best flyweight

16:09

in UFC history, which is

16:12

pretty good when number one is maybe the best

16:14

fighter of all time. He's

16:16

like the half hour Sunself flyweight division

16:18

just his biggest problem is he's winning

16:20

and not overly exciting. Yeah,

16:24

that's such a crazy stat. It really

16:27

is. They played

16:29

hot potato for a while. They

16:31

really did. It was Moreno and Figgy and

16:34

Moreno. And now it's hands and hell pans

16:37

back and forth, back and forth, hot potato. So

16:39

this division is going to be pretty interesting. Obviously

16:42

not in a, I guess a headline spot,

16:45

even to meet your Johnson had some things to say is like, look,

16:47

if, if you're gonna put flyweights

16:49

in the main event, like don't do it anymore. If

16:51

you're not even gonna trot them out there for a

16:53

fricking press conference, then what are we even doing here?

16:55

Why bother? So I definitely understand where DJ is coming

16:57

from. And he would know better than anybody, but Jose

17:00

Aldo Jose Young's man, this

17:02

guy just continues to do

17:04

the damn thing. Another masterclass from the

17:06

legends from the Hall of Famer against

17:09

Jonathan Martinez, who came in on a six fight

17:11

win streak. A lot of the comments that I've

17:13

been getting and seen is that, I mean,

17:16

Jose looked good, but Jonathan just didn't show

17:18

up. And I just completely disagree with that

17:20

sentiment altogether. But Jose is now

17:22

a free agent, fought out his deal with

17:24

the UFC. He's open to coming back to

17:27

the UFC. It seems like the comfort levels

17:29

are certainly there, but

17:31

there's going to be a lot of

17:33

people knocking on the door of one Jose

17:36

Aldo. So now that he's

17:38

a free agent, Jose, what would be the

17:40

most interesting results for this Aldo

17:43

free agency story? Is it coming

17:45

back to the UFC and maybe

17:47

making one last run at the

17:49

Bantamweight title, or is it going somewhere else

17:51

and match them up against

17:53

some different Bantamweights who aren't in

17:55

the UFC, but would still be compelling match-ups? What do you

17:58

think? This is one of those. rare

18:00

instances. It's very, it's not similar to Nate

18:02

Diaz. Like, yeah, Nate Diaz went on on this

18:04

big win and then he went and fought

18:06

Jake Paul, but Nate Diaz was not in

18:08

talks to possibly fighting for the title and looked

18:10

better than ever. Like Nate and Tony didn't

18:12

look that great when they fought back on

18:14

that September pay-per-view before Nate,

18:16

you know, won and went off into the sunset and

18:19

fought. Jake has kind of

18:21

flirted with the idea of coming back with

18:23

UFC. This is Jose Aldo has looked just

18:25

as good as he's ever been against a

18:27

younger opponent who's been

18:29

taking fools all his way

18:31

all the way into like the top 10 at bandwidth. Now

18:34

I assume he's fallen out. Jose

18:36

Aldo is the greatest featherweight ever. Alex Volkonosky said

18:38

it. Max Holloway says it. Those are the two

18:40

other people in that argument. If those two people

18:42

say it, I'm not going to argue with those

18:44

two. They spent more time in the octagon with

18:46

Jose Aldo than I have. Jose

18:49

Aldo can do whatever he wants. I don't care what

18:51

he does. It's one of those rare instances where I

18:53

don't think there's a wrong decision. I want to see

18:55

him fight Dominic Cruz. That would be my number one

18:57

choice. There's also other people in the bandwidth vision. I

18:59

just selfishly want to see him fight as a martial

19:01

artist. I want to see him rematch Peter Yann in

19:04

front of a crowd because the first time they fought

19:06

was on Fight Island in that bubble. Now

19:08

that Davis and Figuero is in the bandwidth vision,

19:10

I am all about Davis and Figuero versus Jose

19:12

Aldo. Like the Song of Dong fight would just

19:14

be awesome boxing in a UFC

19:16

octagon. But if he wants to go to

19:19

the boxing route, I wouldn't hate that either

19:21

fight the winner of Chris Vila versus Anthony

19:23

Pettis or fight Anthony Pettis in karate combat.

19:25

Like that crazy karate combat president said in

19:27

one of our post fight scrums. So, or

19:30

if he wants to go to PFL or

19:32

whatever you want to call it. And we

19:34

finally get Jose Aldo versus Patricio Pitbull or

19:36

Jose Aldo versus Aaron Pico or Jose Aldo

19:38

versus Patricio Mix. I'm for

19:40

all of these fights. There is

19:43

no wrong answer. I just

19:45

want to see Jose Aldo fight Dominic Cruz. That would

19:47

be my number one choice. But if he goes in

19:49

any direction, I'm fine with it.

19:51

Especially like if he goes to fight at 135 and

19:54

he goes to like one championship and we could get 135 pound

19:56

fight between. Josie

20:00

Aldo and Demetrius Johnson would also be

20:02

great too. Don't care who he fights,

20:04

don't care where he fights. There are

20:06

options for Josie Aldo everywhere that would

20:08

be interesting. And it's really that rare,

20:11

we haven't really experienced this. Yeah, Connor went

20:13

and fought Floyd, but he was still like

20:15

top, it's the UFC. Josie Aldo

20:17

is still the man and is still melting

20:19

fools and running over people. And there are

20:21

infinite choices for him. And I'm here for

20:24

all of them. Jed,

20:26

what's the most interesting result here? What do you want

20:29

to see? I mean, Josie's not

20:31

wrong. All these options are fun in their

20:33

own way, but if you

20:35

had the pencil, if you were Josie's manager and

20:37

you were like convincing him to do one thing

20:39

or the other, just for your own selfish freaking

20:41

reasons, what are you telling them? So

20:44

he's right. There's no wrong way to eat this

20:46

Reese's, but there are less optimal

20:49

ways to eat a Reese's, right? Like if you

20:51

just take the whole cup and

20:54

just shove it in your mouth and

20:56

swallow it like Scooby-Doo, it's not a

20:58

wrong way, but it's a suboptimal way

21:00

to enjoy a Reese's. And

21:02

that's what re-signing with the UFC would

21:04

be. It'd be fine. We could get

21:06

the dominant cruise fight, that'd be okay.

21:08

And if the UFC decides to do

21:11

the appropriate thing for the vibes

21:13

and just fire them right into a

21:15

title fight against the winner of Marab and

21:17

O'Malley, then I won't be

21:20

upset about it. Like we'd be okay with Josie

21:22

getting one last run at it, et cetera, et

21:24

cetera. The issue is when you re-sign to the

21:26

UFC, it won't be a two-fight contract.

21:28

That's just not, the UFC doesn't do business that way. It'll

21:30

be six fights and that'll be the end of his career.

21:33

We'll be maybe one or two fights that

21:35

we wanna see and then like, okay, you

21:37

can either choose to not fight or

21:40

you're, you know, we're gonna have you fight Umar

21:42

or do some other. And again, those aren't awful,

21:45

but that's just not the vibes. This man is 37. Like

21:48

he, I don't care about him doing,

21:50

fighting the Jonathan Martinezes of the world.

21:52

Made somewhat of sense for like the

21:54

position we were in now, but we

21:57

don't need to go back into that. The

21:59

best. choice is

22:01

I think signing with PFL at tour.

22:04

But Jose did touch on one that I didn't

22:06

think he was going to bring up, which is

22:08

kind of the secret ambition of my heart, which

22:11

is that he will just fight Demetrius Johnson

22:13

and not sign with one, just be like

22:16

one, I will do

22:18

one fight against DJ at 135 pounds.

22:22

Your hydration stuff is stupid. We're not going

22:24

to pretend that that's true or whatever. Cause

22:26

that would be awesome. I would love that

22:28

so very much. Do that. And

22:30

then come to PFL at tour because

22:32

the patchy mixed fight, everyone is salivating

22:34

over that the Patricio pit bull fight

22:36

that fights past its due date, right,

22:39

but it's still good. Like we got

22:41

Chuck versus Andalay. And even though that

22:43

was clearly well after like when it

22:45

would have been peak, it still

22:47

tasted good. It went down smooth. And

22:50

so that way as well. Yeah. If I was awesome,

22:52

like you could watch it and be like, yeah, this

22:54

isn't the height. Like this isn't a

22:56

whatever that was 2004 GP. Or

22:59

what I think was when they were set up,

23:01

it wasn't like what it would have been then,

23:03

but it was still great. And we did the

23:06

same thing with pit bull Aldo. And I think

23:08

that would be, to me, the PFL tour is

23:10

just the best case because Josie gets paid the

23:12

most money. They will back up the brainstruck cause

23:14

they spend money like they got it. And

23:17

then we can get a couple of good match ups

23:19

there to kind of, you know,

23:21

make us all happy and kickstart PFLs,

23:23

band and weight division in a, in

23:25

a substantive, meaningful way. So the

23:28

best way to eat this Reese's is PFL a

23:30

tour. If just before that

23:32

happens, he goes and fights to meet you as Johnson, because

23:34

that would make me real happy. I

23:37

think PFL has to side Josie. I think it's

23:39

like a must it's a must sign for them.

23:41

They got to do it, figure it out. Pay

23:44

overpay him overpay him to the

23:46

point where the U of D cannot match

23:48

the offer. Then he can box Jake Paul.

23:51

Jake loves to box old guys. He's a

23:53

lot bigger than so Josie, I'll take it

23:55

like a 70 pound difference. I

23:57

still pick Josie. He's good. actually

24:00

good at fighting. Yeah, I

24:03

mean, 70 pounds. A lot of is it

24:08

is legit. Like I'm not even kidding.

24:10

I think I picked Jose because it's

24:12

just how those issues like

24:14

he's the best defensive fighter of all time.

24:17

His issues are when you throw in combination.

24:19

Jake Paul still hasn't figured out combination punching.

24:21

He would jab and they would parry and

24:23

pop him and just keep moving. It'd be

24:25

great. Maybe. I

24:29

mean, we're really getting after it here. Alright, let

24:31

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24:33

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resources. What

26:02

is the right way to eat

26:04

a Reese's in your opinion? When

26:06

I was younger, I like to punch

26:08

out the middle and eat the just soft middle part first

26:10

and then, you know, have the edges after. Now I just

26:12

like it like a little bit chilled, you know, and then

26:15

I just, you know, just take a couple bites. You

26:18

know, you want to savor it. You want

26:20

to enjoy it and get the good snap of a

26:22

cold, you know, kind of rigid edges. What's up? Love

26:25

it. Love it. I'm a head jerk. Oh,

26:28

hot take. I absolutely believe that regular Reese's are better

26:30

than the like holiday specialty Reese's, which have

26:32

more peanut butter to chocolate ratio. Even

26:37

the pumpkin? Pumpkins. Good time. An

26:40

egg. Yeah. I

26:42

mean, the shapes are fun. Don't give me,

26:44

but you don't have the those don't come

26:46

with the like the snappy edges part because

26:49

it's it's just a different shape. So

26:52

it doesn't have the like whatever you call the rifling of

26:54

the edges or whatever. Yeah, that's a good point. That's

26:57

a good point. Well, it's

27:00

time for round two, which means it's time to

27:02

talk about Jed Michoud's favorite fighter, the man he

27:04

considers. If you listen to the post-fight show, he

27:06

spoke, you know, so emotionally about this man being

27:08

the greatest fighter in the history of

27:10

combat sports. He has a post on his wall.

27:12

No, we're not talking about Josie Aldo. We're

27:15

talking about Jed Michoud's favorite fighter. Yes.

27:19

Jed. John Jones jumps on Twitter last

27:21

week and he asked a question that created quite a stir.

27:29

So let me just pull this up real quick. This is

27:31

from mmmfighting.com. Great website. If Alex P. He

27:33

means Alex Pereira, became champion of the

27:35

heavyweight division. Would

27:38

you guys consider him the goat being back in the gym has got

27:41

me thinking differently. That fight after CPA may

27:43

be the next biggest move I could possibly

27:45

make this killer has already defeated so many

27:47

champions and is already considered a legend to

27:49

millions around the world. The

28:00

most massive fights the UFC could make.

28:03

Give Alex a chance to avenge all those

28:05

great Brazilian champions I've defeated. It would be

28:07

absolutely massive. A guy with

28:09

a chance to be three division champion

28:11

and a goat versus the actual goat.

28:13

Same age, different strengths. No

28:16

one can argue that that would be the

28:18

biggest fight in MMA history. There's

28:21

absolutely no fight that generates a payday

28:23

like that. Marketing would

28:25

be insane. Of course, Jed, there

28:27

is Tommy Aspinall, the interim heavyweight champion. Everybody

28:30

wants to see those two guys battle it out.

28:32

John responded to a comment, which there is a

28:34

plethora of them when it comes to Jones and

28:36

Aspinall. And he says this, quote, you

28:39

actually think me fighting Tom would be more

28:41

massive than Alex and I colliding. Tom

28:43

only matters in the UK. News flash.

28:46

Pereira is one of the most polarizing figures

28:48

the sport has seen. Tom's contender who won

28:51

a belt against another contender. We had to

28:53

save Madison Square Garden's main event. I'm

28:56

thinking dollar signs, legacy big picture, not what

28:58

UK fans are dying to see. Literally

29:01

just went through this with the French fans. So,

29:03

Jed, I just read sort of the meat and

29:05

potatoes of this. I'm sure

29:07

there are other comments and replies besides

29:10

pointing to the whiteboard

29:12

there. What is your reaction to this? The floor is

29:14

yours. I don't need

29:16

to say it's on the board. This is that

29:19

scene in Moneyball. Guys,

29:21

you're going to make me point at Pete again. It's

29:24

just that like this started as

29:26

a gimmick. I'll break kayfabe. Like it was a

29:28

gimmick. We're going to gaslight John Jones into actually

29:31

fighting Tom Aspinall because that's a fight that matters. It's

29:34

not a gimmick anymore. He just doesn't want smoke. It's

29:37

the most transparent. I do not want to fight

29:40

that dude of all time that I

29:42

have ever seen. Other than when

29:44

Jermaine Durand to me gave up her belt

29:46

because she didn't want to fight Cyborgs. Like

29:48

I don't need to be the featherweight champion.

29:51

I would rather not fight Chris Cyborgs. Thank

29:53

you very much. Like this is just like

29:56

just read the language of John's tweet.

29:58

Like just just read. it like oh

30:00

that's the most polarizing figure not the

30:03

most deserving not the best not the

30:05

legacy defining one that he's pretending it's

30:07

about it's a rule this is the

30:09

one and really what it is is

30:12

I get to fight another middleweight you

30:14

guys might let me fight another middleweight

30:16

and I can gaslight a certain people

30:19

into believing that me beating this middleweight

30:21

at heavyweight this middleweight striker and heavyweight

30:23

will make me the goat like no

30:25

it's just and and thank

30:28

God like there is a certain subset of people

30:30

who are gonna buy it because they're just I

30:32

don't know they're simpletons and that's okay it's not this it's

30:34

not a crime to be an idiot but

30:38

a vast majority of people seem

30:40

to have come around to the

30:42

idea that this is ridiculous nonsense

30:45

maybe it's the fact that stipe hasn't won a

30:47

fight in three years or I'm sorry hasn't fought

30:49

in three years now that won a fight in

30:52

this injury maybe

30:54

it's just the fact that like no one

30:56

cares about that fight and John is so

30:58

focused on a fight that truly only he

31:00

stipe and Dana seem to have any interest

31:02

in but like when we did when we

31:04

did our ranking shot this week and John

31:06

dropped out of the top pounds for pound

31:08

fight like our top five pound for pound

31:10

list there was no backlash there's no

31:12

like how you're not gonna have the goat in the

31:14

time was like yeah it's fair it's

31:17

fine like he doesn't fight anybody and when

31:20

he does fight it's gonna be against deep a so

31:22

who gives a shit like this is it

31:25

is such a transparently horseshit

31:27

thing where like oh maybe

31:29

now I can sell this and the answer

31:31

is simple he's gonna fight stipe he's gonna

31:33

retire and if if the

31:36

public got behind the Pereira thing then

31:38

he would have fought prayer because that's that

31:40

is good I want to be really clear

31:42

it is excellent prize fighting this

31:44

is elite level prize fighting is Casey

31:46

loves to note all the time the

31:48

sport is the sport prize

31:51

fighting is prize fighting and this is A

31:53

plus because it would be a big pay-per-view

31:55

it's John vs. prayer two big stars three

31:58

division champion all that's true No

32:01

risk as he would absolutely dump truck. Not

32:04

no risk. Like substantially less risk than

32:06

fighting Tom Aspinall, who, you know, probably

32:08

beats him just straight up, probably beats

32:11

him at this point in time and

32:13

doesn't have the same name. The prayer

32:15

does excellent prize fighting dogshit championship effort.

32:17

He's until

32:19

he fights on Aspinall. I have no qualms

32:21

calling that man a chicken and a coward

32:23

and chickens can't be goats. Baby, we've checked

32:26

the math on it can't happen. So get

32:28

the fuck out of my face with the

32:30

John's the goat stuff. I hate you. No,

32:32

just not. Just

32:34

not. I've never seen the goat run

32:37

from a fight like this. And

32:40

if you think I'm wrong, John, if someone

32:42

clips this and sends this to you, prove

32:44

me wrong. Fuck and fight him. Fuck

32:47

and fight him. Fight Tom Aspinall. Prove me wrong.

32:50

I win either way. As

32:55

great as the rant was the

32:57

just random thumbs up emoji was

32:59

the best part. Just floated perfectly.

33:02

I still understand the

33:04

technology agrees with me. Can't

33:08

happen. Unreal.

33:11

Jose, are you as passionate about these

33:13

tweets from one John Jones? No,

33:16

because I could get I just don't put

33:18

much stock into anyone saying anything when, you

33:20

know, they can just

33:22

fist fight rather than tweet. I

33:24

don't particularly care who John fights their

33:26

arguments for both. Obviously, Tom

33:28

Aspinall would be the infinitely harder fight. And

33:30

I'm actually with Jed. I think Tom Aspinall

33:33

beats John Jones, especially

33:35

right now. John Jones and his prime if he had

33:37

gone to heavyweight would be a different story. But the

33:39

way it stands right now, Tom in 2024, I think

33:41

would beat John Jones in 2024. Just

33:45

especially coming off of that shoulder surgery. Alex

33:48

Pereira would be the much as

33:50

Jed said would be

33:53

the easier fight and probably make more

33:55

money. You I guess you run

33:57

the risk of getting punched in the face by the

33:59

hardest hitter. and allegedly the hardest hit in the

34:01

history of the UFC, who

34:03

apparently is also a black belt for knocking

34:05

people out. But

34:08

yeah, I'm not, Jed pretty much said it all. I'm

34:10

not gonna go on record saying John Jones is a

34:12

coward. Anywhere in that

34:14

spot, anyone that's taken short notice fights against

34:16

Shogun, who I wouldn't call him a coward.

34:18

That's a scary situation under

34:21

itself. I will say he's being

34:24

oddly strategic for really the first time

34:26

in his career, in

34:29

a very specific moment when this big

34:31

scary heavyweight from the UK is burst

34:33

onto the scene. And it's been everything

34:35

we're saying about Tom now, like athletic

34:39

fast moves differently than any other

34:41

heavyweight. We were saying about John

34:43

and light heavyweight. I wanna

34:45

see that fight as a high level martial arts fight, but

34:47

I would also be here if John

34:49

just ran over Alex Pereira because that would just

34:52

generate more interest on the site, I would

34:54

say. And probably we do better for business.

34:57

But if you ask me, give

34:59

me the Tom Aspinall fight, I just wanna see

35:01

high level martial arts. And I think the UK

35:03

fans deserve, I think the

35:05

UK fans deserve it. I

35:08

was talking to Eric Nixick yesterday, that interview is gonna drop, I think

35:10

at the top of the hour now. And

35:13

Tom Aspinall was at Extreme Couture and he was just like

35:16

blown away by Tom Aspinall. He's

35:18

like, everything they say about him is

35:21

true. And then some, it's just insane

35:23

to see him. They said he was moving around

35:25

with like Kai Kamaka and he moved like just

35:27

as quick and just as fluid as a freaking

35:29

featherweight, which is wild for a guy that size.

35:31

So real quick before we move on

35:33

to one other topic, before we move to round three, Jose, I'll go back

35:35

to you. If Dana White

35:37

in the next couple of days goes

35:40

on Instagram, starts making

35:42

fight announcements, and he announces that

35:45

the main event of

35:47

UFC 304 in Manchester is not what

35:49

you think it's gonna be. It

35:51

is actually John Jones versus Tom Aspinall

35:53

for the undisputed heavyweight title. I don't

35:55

think it's gonna happen. No.

35:58

But anything can happen. How surprised, on a scale. 1

36:00

to 10. How surprised would you be? Absolutely

36:03

flabbergasted that they would have John

36:05

Jones by Tom Aspaugh at like

36:08

11pm local time or like

36:10

go actually not even because that isn't that when

36:12

the pay-per-view starts. So it'd be like Sunday morning

36:15

local time. I would be good

36:17

to John though it'd be right in his wheelhouse

36:19

time frame trim pretty much I would be absolutely

36:23

gobsmacked if

36:25

John Jones fought Tom Aspaugh in Manchester at

36:28

UFC 304. That would be I

36:32

don't that scenario has never I've never thought

36:34

of that scenario. I probably

36:37

will never think of that scenario. It's

36:39

just not going to happen. It's just never going

36:41

to happen unless you give like John would say

36:43

John would demand eight

36:46

figures for that to happen at minimum never

36:48

going to happen. And they should give

36:50

it to him. How would you react, Jed?

36:52

Would you take back all the things you said about

36:55

John or do you feel like you

36:58

sort of that

37:00

you led this would you take a victory

37:02

lap for leading this revolution so to speak?

37:06

No, because an announcement is far

37:08

different from a thing actually happening.

37:10

Sure. And I would be very

37:12

stunned. Like

37:14

I would be as flabbergasted as possible

37:16

that John even even ponied

37:19

up enough courage to sign a contract,

37:21

right? Because he can't chicken. It's a

37:23

very big difference between actually, you know, getting getting gaslit

37:31

into signing the contract and then having

37:33

to spend the next three months doing

37:36

the thing that you don't want to do when

37:39

at any point you can call out he said,

37:41

I'm a shoulders sacked in the park. Can't do

37:43

it all steep days back again. Do it. Oh,

37:45

the UK fans can't like he can duck out

37:47

for any reason. You know, like there's there's always

37:50

a cage to hide under and John can always

37:52

find one of those if he needs it. So

37:54

if they announce it and it happened, it would

37:56

be the most shocking thing that's maybe ever happened

37:59

in the history. because he is

38:01

a coward and a chicken. It

38:03

would be dope. And I've said

38:05

many times on this and other programs,

38:08

I will stop my language

38:10

towards John the day

38:12

he does fight Tom Asinall and

38:15

puts up or shuts up. Until

38:17

then, he ain't my goat, and I

38:19

hope he's not yours because this is nonsense. Well,

38:27

we'll see. I don't think it's gonna

38:29

happen, but no chance. Let's let's see your chance.

38:31

Let's let's touch on a fight that

38:33

actually was that was announced and Jed. I'll start

38:36

with you. There's merit high level fighting. The fights

38:38

were supposed to get versus the fights that make

38:40

the most money. I totally understand

38:42

that, but we got a big one. 135 pounds,

38:45

August 3rd Abu Dhabi fight night

38:47

event. It's going to be five

38:50

rounds. Corey Sandhagen, Jed versus Umar

38:52

Nurmagomedov. As everybody knows, this is

38:54

supposed to be the main event of UFC Nashville

38:56

back in August of this past year. Umar

38:58

gets hurt. Rob Font steps

39:00

in basis Corey Sandhagen, who was also hurt heading

39:03

into that fight, and it was not a memorable

39:05

performance. Corey basically fought Rob Font with one arm

39:07

and just took him down a whole bunch. And

39:09

now it appears we're getting it in around three

39:11

months time with everybody good to go and healthy

39:14

and as healthy as they could be. Anyways, I

39:17

assume you're very much into this. Jed Michoud, especially

39:19

as a guy who is so extremely high on

39:21

Umar Nurmagomedov. Hell

39:23

yeah, this fight rocks. If it

39:26

is possible to be less cowardly,

39:28

the exact opposite levels of cowardly

39:30

to John, Corey Sandhagen is

39:32

that dude. Corey Sandhagen take

39:34

this fight. He didn't have to fight no

39:36

more. Right now he's on three, four fight

39:38

win streak in the weight class. All good

39:41

top level wins in a

39:43

normal division that didn't have a whole

39:45

lot of weirdness happening in a champion

39:47

who's not trying to fight

39:49

all that many people, frankly. Corey

39:51

Sandhagen pretty clearly B and A. All right. I

39:54

probably don't even have to fight, right? Like I'm

39:56

just next up. I get to weigh in as

39:58

the backup for Marab. and I'm

40:00

the next dude in line. But he recognizes

40:02

that's not the case. And even if that

40:04

were the case, he

40:07

wouldn't care because Corey's like, hear him talk in

40:09

all of his interviews, he says all the time.

40:11

He's not about the sitting around and waiting and

40:13

trying to get there. He's just about the business.

40:16

And like, I'm here to fight. I would like

40:18

to see if I'm the best. And I learned

40:20

that by fighting people. And here's

40:22

the dude no one else wants to fight. I'll

40:25

fight him, screw it. Like, I don't give a fuck.

40:29

Oh, you want me to do it in Saudi? I

40:31

don't give a fuck. I will do that as well. Like,

40:33

he is about that action.

40:35

And Corey Sanhagen is a boss for

40:37

taking this fight. My

40:39

early impressions are like, I'm gonna pick Umar because I

40:41

think Umar is probably actually the best band of weight

40:43

in the world. But that's like

40:45

so speculative. Like, we just don't know. We

40:47

haven't gotten to see him apply his trade

40:49

in a long time anyway. And just against

40:52

this level of opposition, this is a huge

40:54

step up for him against a guy who

40:56

also is maybe the best band of weight

40:58

in the world right now. This is a

41:00

top level fight happening with the biggest stakes

41:02

possible because the winner of this will get

41:04

a title shot. And

41:06

both sides of it are interesting and

41:08

dope. Like, this is the exact opposite

41:10

of what John's doing. That's why I

41:12

respect the shit on Corey Sanhagen. Jose,

41:17

you must love this fight, right? Mm-hmm,

41:20

this fight rules. This fight slaps. Corey

41:24

Sanhagen is, there

41:26

are a few fighters in this industry that I

41:28

respect more than Corey Sanhagen, both in and out

41:30

of the Octagon. We've had a lot of great

41:33

conversations about non-MMA things. Oddly

41:35

enough, while he was in the mid, like

41:37

he was getting ready to weigh in. Remember

41:39

on the MMA hour yesterday, he was discussing

41:41

how he kind of missed

41:44

time to sleep and weight cut schedule with

41:46

the press conference before we fought Peter Jan,

41:48

which was my pick for Fight of the

41:50

Year that year, Peter Jan versus Corey Sanhagen.

41:52

And I think that Peter Jan,

41:54

that fought Corey Sanhagen, we all

41:56

talked about this when we did the UFC 200 Watch

41:58

Along Party. I think that's the best fan away. I've

42:00

ever seen fight and Corey Sannegan was right there neck

42:02

and neck with him for a while Corey

42:05

Sannegan was deep into his weight cut looked like

42:07

he was getting keel over any minute calls me

42:09

over and has about a 30-minute discussion about why

42:11

36 chambers is the best hip-hop album of all

42:14

time. I'm here for it. Corey

42:16

Sannegan eventually Immediately

42:18

became one of my guys He

42:21

just happens to be one of the best fist fighters

42:23

in the world. And yeah, i'm i'm with with all

42:25

you guys Like I there's I don't

42:27

know how you how you cannot respect Corey Sannegan

42:30

like even Sean O'Malley I remember when

42:32

this original announcement was made last year Sean

42:35

O'Malley was like I just don't understand what

42:37

Corey's doing because that is such a risky

42:39

situation For not a lot

42:41

of attention Corey Sannegan could be

42:44

the best band weight in the world right now

42:46

Umar could be the best band weight in the world right

42:48

now I think this is I think Corey's getting him At

42:51

the perfect time because we haven't seen

42:54

Umar fight five rounds. We've not seen him fight

42:56

anyone in the top 10

42:59

let alone top five Corey's been fighting guys

43:01

in the top 10 top five for

43:04

the last several years He's set himself

43:06

on the MMA hour He's probably on the back half of

43:08

his career in the second chapter Because when

43:11

did he make his u.s.a debut? 2016

43:13

2017 and he just kind of skyrocketed

43:16

up and immediately got compared to dominant crew So

43:18

he's been kind of earmarked as one of these

43:20

future title contenders for years if he beats Umar

43:23

No, brainer title shot Umar beats Corey Sannegan.

43:25

No brainer. He deserves a title shot. I

43:27

think this is a perfect Fight

43:30

for Abu Dhabi. I think it's a perfect five round

43:32

main event Much respect for Corey

43:34

Sannegan much respect for Umar Murmaga made of

43:36

I think this is The

43:38

definition of absolute high level martial arts

43:41

at its finest Yep,

43:43

this is a must-make fight. We're getting it Everyone

43:46

gets on no points. It's a beautiful thing

43:49

Speaking of points. Let's award one for round

43:51

two before we move on to round three UFC

43:53

heading to st. Louis, Missouri Let's

43:56

see this comparison is about St. Corey's journeyman. Just trying to

43:58

get the belt John is the champion

44:01

thinking about creating the biggest legacy. Please,

44:03

Jed, respond. Your

44:05

buddy, Cross, by the way, he's back. Cross,

44:08

your first take was better than this one. This

44:10

is like, this is just a simpleton take and

44:12

that's okay. Like I said, nothing wrong with being

44:14

dumb. A lot of people in the comments come

44:16

in with the energy of, can't believe you call

44:18

someone who fights a coward. Like one,

44:21

I don't know if you know what cowardice

44:23

is, but it does anything really to do with

44:25

fighting. And I think most of you probably

44:27

haven't been in fights. Fighting don't hurt. It's fine.

44:29

Like it sucks, but it's fine. There's cowardice

44:31

levels. Cross, this is just, sure,

44:34

that is a way to approach this and it's

44:36

not necessarily a wrong view to have, but

44:39

I would just ask you to look inward,

44:41

Cross, and be like, why am

44:43

I so okay with John just feeding

44:45

me a pile of bullshit for his

44:47

best interests? Why am I not more

44:49

selfishly wanting him to do the thing

44:52

that is the standard practice across the

44:54

sport as a whole? And

44:56

B, certainly the more entertaining, better

44:58

option for me as a consumer. You're allowed

45:00

to think both of those things. You're allowed

45:02

to think it would be much

45:05

cooler to watch him fight the actual other

45:07

best heavyweight in the world. And to settle

45:09

this as they have done time and Memorial

45:11

when there's been an interim champion. He's

45:13

fought the heavyweight champion and they

45:16

have unified the title. And

45:18

so any opinion that is like, it's

45:20

fine. John's doing this. Like again, this

45:23

is terrific. Prize fighting. John's doing

45:25

a plus prize fighting. You

45:27

shouldn't give a shit about that. You should give

45:29

a shit about the best product for you to

45:31

view. And that's just that simple. All

45:36

right. Well, here we go. Point

45:38

for round two goes to Cross's

45:45

best budget machine. Nicely done. One to

45:48

one. And just brings a, brings

45:51

a fever, a fever pitch to

45:53

this discussion. And we'll see

45:55

what ends up happening in heavyweight division. Shout out to

45:57

Umar. Shout out to Corey Sannehagen. That fight is. So

46:00

as they said, it's going to slap UFC

46:02

heading to St. Louis this

46:04

weekend. Yes. Back

46:07

to the gateway to the West. And

46:09

in the main event, we get Derek

46:11

Lewis versus Rodrigo Nascimento. When St. Louis

46:13

came a call on the governing

46:15

body called the UFC and said, dude, you got

46:17

to give us Rodrigo Nascimento in this main event.

46:20

I don't care who he fights. You got to

46:22

give us to, you got to give it to

46:24

us. And boy, boy, the other way. Yeah.

46:28

Boy, oh boy. The UFC delivered. We

46:30

got Joaquin Buckley shooting his shot. He

46:32

doesn't get the headliner. He gets the

46:34

co-main event against their Sultan Ruzebayev who

46:37

is moving down to 170 on super

46:39

short notice. And we'll talk about that in a

46:41

little bit more, but Jose coming

46:43

off of UFC 301, again,

46:45

not a ton of buzz. We're not going to

46:48

really remember this one moving forward outside of just

46:50

a hardcore fun watch. Do

46:52

you like this card? Does this one

46:54

scream if I had other things to do?

46:57

I'm skipping them to watch UFC St. Louis. No,

47:00

no, it doesn't. There are, there

47:03

are very fun fight. This is one of

47:05

those rare. This is basically an apex card

47:07

in St. Louis. Like I'm here

47:09

for chase Hooper versus whoever I'm here for

47:12

Alex Sarah's versus Sean Woodson. Like I like

47:14

Terrence McKinney tab at the Regi Tisha Pennington

47:16

will be a fun fight, but like there's

47:19

not a whole lot of title implications, top

47:21

five match up, so the winner of this will

47:23

be a number one contender fight. I just,

47:25

it's just not going to happen. It just

47:27

seems like they promised St. Louis

47:30

something and there were a lot of fights that they

47:32

needed to make that they threw on this car. What

47:34

was the original co-main event? Was it the Manafield, Alberg

47:36

fight? Yes.

47:38

Like Alberg was supposed to fight Dominic Reyes.

47:41

That fight probably would have made more sense because

47:43

I, Carlos Alberg would have beaten a guy that,

47:45

you know, beat the guy that Jed loves so

47:47

much. Jon Jones. Al Sayers has

47:49

been in the UFC forever. Sean Woodson like

47:53

one, but a lot of people think he lost his

47:55

last fight. I thought, I thought he won. And

47:57

then there's just names that people are like, I don't know why they put

47:59

Terrence because. on the prelims. He's never been in

48:01

a boring fight. Uh, and I

48:03

don't know, it's not the best fight card.

48:06

It's not even the best main event. Obviously

48:08

was a nasty man. Anytime you get heavyweights

48:10

pulling off like multiple

48:12

split decisions in a row,

48:14

that just screams like, Oh, you're just going to

48:16

get knocked out by Derek Lewis real quick, which I guess

48:19

is a cool thing. We're getting, we could see some cool

48:21

Derek Lewis flying knees right out of the

48:23

gate again. Derek Lewis had a fun media day, but

48:26

this isn't, this is not

48:28

anything special. I'm sorry. Chad,

48:33

Michelin star for this one, or is

48:35

this a, is this a good ford

48:37

system? Boy, it's a good for card.

48:39

Like this doesn't have a Michelin actually

48:41

that it maybe would rise. It probably

48:43

shouldn't, but there are two things going

48:45

really well for this. One,

48:47

Derek St. Louis is about to deliver a

48:49

dope knockout and everyone's going to be pumped

48:51

about it. Like, I don't know if

48:54

you've had a chance to listen to Novus this

48:56

week. Uh, Connor was not

48:58

on his game and realized that

49:00

Derek Lewis and St. Louis have

49:02

that overlap there until like in the middle

49:04

of the show. It was great. Uh,

49:06

he's going to do, he's going to do Derek

49:09

Lewis things. Uh, fat path's going to come on

49:11

the speaker. He's going to come. He's going to

49:13

knock a dude out. He's going to do the

49:15

black beast celebration, take his pants off, probably say

49:18

something quirky and hilarious into the microphone and the

49:20

evening will end well. And

49:22

mostly Mike, there's

49:24

one fight on this fight card that speaks

49:27

to me at a molecular level.

49:30

And it's not the fight you're

49:32

thinking of Mike, because it's, it's

49:34

Tabitha Ricci versus Tisha Pennington, formerly

49:36

Tisha Torres, because what

49:39

I discovered when I was doing this and

49:41

what came to me is that this is

49:43

baby shark versus the tiny

49:45

tornado. So that fight is

49:48

the tiny shark NATO. And I

49:50

couldn't be more happy about a

49:52

thing in my life than the

49:54

hours I spent researching shark NATO

49:56

after I discovered that this was

49:58

happening. This is quality

50:01

matchmaking in my book. Do

50:04

you have a bet on that fight? You have to, right?

50:06

I have a bet on that fight. I've

50:09

taken, I've taken to have the leechy because

50:11

the shark, the shark is more important than

50:13

the NATO in shark NATO. If it was

50:16

just twister, the movies doesn't hit as hard,

50:18

but because of the shark twister functionally, uh,

50:20

also, I don't know if you guys know

50:22

a lot about the shark NATO universe. There's

50:25

so much more to it than you think. How

50:28

many are there? Shark NATO. I

50:30

thought, I thought you were about to say three. No,

50:33

there are six shark NATO

50:35

films. There are three spinoff

50:37

films. Lavalanchola, which

50:39

is fire breathing

50:42

tarantulas functionally like a

50:44

volcano tarantula. Yes.

50:46

In the six shark NATO film, they

50:48

go back in time. Ben Franklin is

50:50

a character in the six shark NATO

50:52

film. It's what

50:55

a universe. I mean,

50:57

franchise dominate. Last

51:00

some automation of words, the fire

51:02

being spiders. Yeah.

51:04

Fire large, gigantic fire breathing

51:06

tarantulas, lava langela. So it's,

51:09

it's, they took shark NATO and they're

51:11

like, what if we did volcano

51:13

plus giant spiders? It

51:16

worked for shark. It worked for twister and jaws. Let's

51:19

do this other combo. So now we

51:21

need like ice and we

51:24

need an ice creature now. It's a complete

51:26

the trilogy of elements. Ice

51:28

snake. I mean, it feels like

51:31

anaconda plus something like

51:33

that. And this abelanciers snake. Ooh,

51:37

snake avalanche. This

51:40

is avalanche of snakes coming down a mountain.

51:42

Anaconda lanch. There's something there where we can

51:44

work on this. We can workshop this. There

51:46

are six of these films. I had no

51:48

idea until I went into it. It was

51:50

the best two hours I've spent in a

51:52

long time. There aren't there like five square

51:54

pinky movies too. So shark NATO surpass. There

51:57

are several of those as well. I don't

51:59

know how many. But I know there are several

52:01

of them. I'm pretty sure Roy Nelson is in one of

52:03

them. That would

52:05

absolutely drive me. That's what I know of that universe.

52:09

John, I think you just came up once the

52:11

new shark data movie gets released. Yeah.

52:14

I think you have an article to write for MMA fighting.

52:16

I almost, I probably, this thing, I'm

52:19

going to have to go watch the, I watched the first

52:22

one because like everyone watched it at that period of

52:24

their time. It came on sci-fi. It was free. What

52:26

else are you doing? I had no idea that

52:28

there was one where they went back in time.

52:30

Also the shark NATO movie names. Let me, let

52:32

me pull these up because it's, they're

52:35

a couple of absolute bangers.

52:37

Sharknado five is called global

52:39

swarming. What an A

52:42

plus Dave Brofel. Oh

52:46

my God. I

52:50

was also right. Jet for your next MMA

52:52

cinema thing. Scorpion King four

52:54

quest for power has Roy

52:57

Nelson. Boys Gracie and Bigfoot

52:59

Silva and

53:03

oddly enough, Rutger Hower star

53:05

of Blazer. Like, so

53:09

you, I feel like that you guys have that. I

53:12

got, wow. Unbelievable. I'm

53:14

not a shark NATO franchise. Uh,

53:17

the 10th anniversary, they did a theatrical

53:20

release for shark NATO and the poster

53:22

just says more sharks, more NATO. And

53:25

it's perfect. It's just like these people knew

53:27

exactly what they were doing. I respect the

53:29

shit out of them. Yeah.

53:33

I think some of those people might

53:35

be working for fight circus right now.

53:37

Cause there's the content of things that

53:39

put together. I mean, it's just fantastic.

53:41

The original shark NATO poster is a

53:43

shark in a tornado like twister. And

53:46

it just says, nuff said, these people

53:48

are geniuses. Unbelievable.

53:50

I just so much hype around that movie. We could, we

53:52

could talk about shark NATO and the history of that film

53:55

and all the other movies we can

53:57

make of that ilk another time.

54:00

But Jed, it's

54:02

the main event. It's the favorite part of the year because of

54:04

this though. Okay,

54:06

so if there's a

54:09

storyline that you have your eye on, and it's

54:11

not the main event, there's just no way, unless

54:13

you are just deeply interested in the rise of

54:15

Rodrigo Nascimento, which there are some people out there

54:18

who just might be, what's

54:20

the biggest storyline for you? And

54:23

I'm not allowed to talk about baby Sharknado,

54:25

I assume. If that's what it is, then

54:27

please. I mean, that's the biggest storyline is,

54:29

but we already talked about that for the

54:31

last 10 minutes, so we can move beyond

54:33

that. The

54:38

coming event has some intrigue, but I'm

54:40

gonna go with the lone heavyweight fight,

54:42

just because Rovales Sefania

54:44

is dope. I mean, we

54:46

fought four times. Yeah, he's a very,

54:49

very big fellow and moves

54:51

surprisingly quick for such a big fellow and

54:53

hits people really, really, really hard. One

54:56

could say that he is also a man who boops. And

54:58

I enjoyed his first

55:01

fight a great deal. And now

55:03

he's taking on Walter Cortez Acosta, who

55:06

is like nominally a boxer, but mostly just kind

55:08

of bad. And I think he's gonna

55:10

get booped real bad, and that's

55:12

gonna be awesome, because then there's

55:14

so much opportunity for a man

55:16

with a role-listed sort of background,

55:18

right? Like an Olympian, a guy,

55:20

a carataka or whatever, like

55:23

a very accomplished martial artist. Coming

55:25

in here certainly older, but

55:28

gets to come in here, he puts another highlight, all

55:30

right, you've done it twice. And

55:32

heavyweight kind of doesn't matter if you maybe

55:34

aren't the most well-rounded fist fighter that's ever

55:36

lived, as long as you got certain set

55:38

of skills and those skills can kind

55:41

of get you far. And so

55:43

he goes out here and boops WCA real

55:45

fast. Then we can start talking about,

55:48

I don't know, just out of nowhere,

55:51

World List versus Giorzina Rosenstrike, which would

55:53

just be a delightful bit of anarchy.

55:56

And then suddenly this band who has five

55:58

professional fights are something that's- it's astronomically

56:00

low, is now like,

56:02

oh, I knock out Jairzinho, I'm a top

56:05

10 heavyweight. There's

56:07

a world where he could be the heavyweight

56:09

Alex Pereira. And at that point,

56:12

I bet John would want to fight him because he

56:14

can't do any of the other parts of the fist

56:16

fighting. But

56:18

in a card that doesn't have a lot of... There's

56:20

one other storyline that I would draw to, but it's

56:24

not nearly as cool as Robles Spania, who is

56:26

a huge man who boots people real hard. Jose,

56:30

what do you get your eye on? In

56:33

terms of another fight to watch, probably

56:35

Bruce Leroy versus Sean Woodson. I mean,

56:38

Alex Pereira, I think made his UFC debut

56:40

in 2011. He

56:43

was on that season of The Ultimate Fighter. And

56:47

once Matt Brown announced his retirement, I kind

56:49

of went back and I'm like, who's the

56:51

longest tenured tough veteran at this

56:53

point? I believe it's Brad

56:55

Tavares. I believe it's Brad Tavares.

56:58

Has to be. But

57:00

Alex Caceres and Michael Johnson are way

57:02

up there as well in terms of

57:05

tough veterans that are still on the

57:07

UFC roster, not just actively fighting. And

57:10

Sean Woodson, I believe, made his MMA debut

57:12

in 2016, 2017. So

57:16

Alex Caceres had already been in the UFC

57:18

for five, six years before Sean Woodson even

57:20

made his pro debut. Alex

57:23

Caceres doesn't have the best record,

57:25

but he's fought a lot of

57:27

high level guys in a lot of different

57:29

weight classes. I really like speaking with Alex

57:31

Caceres. His social media presence leaves

57:33

much to be desired. Me and him don't really see

57:36

eye to eye in most sociological

57:38

or economical things of the world, but me and

57:40

him can talk about anime and kung fu movies

57:42

for a long time. So we have that. And

57:44

I feel like I've been covering him. Actually

57:47

I have. The first article I ever wrote

57:49

for arizonasports.com when I was in college was

57:51

an interview on Alex Caceres. So

57:53

I feel some sort of connection with him. Sean Woodson is,

57:56

was it Sean Woodson that called me

57:59

out on when you. interviewed him, Mike, because

58:01

I asked him about Max Holloway at

58:03

a media scrum. And he recognized me

58:05

from one of these shows on MMA

58:07

fighting. So anyone that's watching any

58:09

UFC fighter that's watching, you know, between the links

58:11

or preview or post shows all the time. Hello,

58:13

Sean, what's in and then calls me out. I

58:15

also have some sort of emotional connection to you

58:17

too, because I've only had nice thing. Actually, we

58:19

both had great things to say about each other

58:21

in person. He has a weird

58:24

neck tattoo. I had a whole interview

58:26

with him just about his weird neck

58:28

tattoo. So yeah, bad tattoos in Kung

58:30

Fu and anime checks all the boxes

58:32

for me in a fight. Yes,

58:36

I remember that interview. I said something silly,

58:39

but he like,

58:42

it's like one of his I might have been

58:44

his first at so I don't know about we

58:46

interviewed him in Boston. And he's like, I got it

58:48

and then tried to hide it from my mom. I'm like,

58:51

you got a tattoo on your throat and tried to hide

58:53

it from your mom. Have fun

58:55

with that. Oh,

58:57

yes. That's funny. You're no man. You're no man. That's

58:59

good. Yep.

59:02

He's no coward. Be a

59:04

good fight. That's gonna be a good fight. Alex,

59:07

a lot of people feel like Sean Woodson is

59:09

gonna kind of run away with this one. But

59:11

this is, I mean, these are the types of

59:13

fights Alex can Sarah's place. Oh, 100%. Is Sean

59:15

Woodson from St. Louis? Does any

59:18

of the arts have you on a stomach? That's hard.

59:20

I have no idea about that. But he is from

59:22

St. Louis. Yeah, I think he has the arch with

59:24

the skyline on the stomach with like a

59:26

money sign underneath it or something. Or actually, now

59:28

that I say money sign, it's probably just the

59:31

St. Louis symbol from you know, the Cardinals like

59:33

the STL. Oh, probably is

59:35

that yeah. Yeah, that would make

59:37

sense. I we're gonna have obviously we're gonna

59:39

talk a little bit more about this card tomorrow a little more

59:41

in depth. But boy, Joaquin

59:43

Buckley is big story for me. Yeah,

59:45

I mean, it's not gonna happen.

59:49

Okay, you're convinced words by making weight.

59:52

Not on this short notice. He's far well

59:54

to it before. Also, when I was researching,

59:56

apparently his debut was a lightweight, which is

59:59

65. Lightweight is a terrifying my concepts to

1:00:01

consider. Um,

1:00:03

but like he's just not

1:00:05

making welterweight on like

1:00:07

four weeks or whatever it is. Like I, I'll believe

1:00:09

it when it happens, but I don't, I think this

1:00:11

right's not going to go through. No,

1:00:15

I'm going to tend to be a little more positive. We're

1:00:17

going to see it and we're going to see walking Buckley's

1:00:19

made of. He's basically putting it all

1:00:21

on the line here. And like,

1:00:23

I know there are bigger fights down the road for him, but

1:00:26

when he kind of drew all this up

1:00:28

after beating Vicente Luque, I assume nurse Sultan

1:00:30

roots of Bayaf was not the guy he

1:00:32

expected to fight as a tough ass fight

1:00:34

against a really good fighter who's on a

1:00:36

great streak. It just finishes dudes, uh,

1:00:38

very tall. And if

1:00:41

he loses the fight, it's going to be to a guy that not

1:00:43

a lot of people know. And

1:00:46

we'll see what he does. If he goes

1:00:48

out there and wins and finishes roots of

1:00:50

Bayaf and makes a great call out then

1:00:52

everything, I'm going to say everything I said about

1:00:54

him is wrong, but he will prove

1:00:56

me wrong in a lot of ways. So I will be

1:00:58

watching that fight very, very closely, obviously. And we'll

1:01:01

see how it all plays out. Let's move

1:01:03

on to more MMA fights. But this time

1:01:05

two MMA fighters fighting in the boxing ring,

1:01:07

just on a different date than we thought

1:01:09

point for round three goes to Jose

1:01:16

Young's nicely done two to one. Shark

1:01:20

data was that sound terrifying.

1:01:22

Wasn't will choke like a six four

1:01:24

featherweight. She

1:01:28

found that hallway. I know that he was a tall boy. I

1:01:31

remember doing a deep dive on him and he

1:01:33

had like nine fights in like two years. Once I'm

1:01:35

like, that's a

1:01:42

unacceptable level of height to weight

1:01:44

ratio there. She's

1:01:47

yes. Well, guys, Nate

1:01:51

Diaz, Jorge Mazel fan, Mio, they

1:01:53

did the thing. They did

1:01:55

the very smart thing. They did the wise

1:01:57

thing. Bites are happening June 1st. The

1:02:00

boxing match, that big event, no

1:02:03

longer happening in

1:02:05

LA. It's happening in Anaheim now. It's no

1:02:07

longer happening June 1st, which also shares the

1:02:09

day with some big boxing events. And of

1:02:11

course UFC 302 now happening July 6th. And

1:02:15

there are things happening that day too. WWE

1:02:18

has got, I think, Money in the Bank

1:02:20

that day. And then, of course, Stevenson's boxing

1:02:22

in Newark that evening as well.

1:02:24

But they're not sharing it with UFC 302. So

1:02:26

at least they're going to be able to get the MMA

1:02:29

fan base to at least tune in more

1:02:31

so than they would have on June 1st.

1:02:33

So, Jose, I'll start with you. How

1:02:35

much does the day change impact your interest of

1:02:37

the fight now that... Because we have to look

1:02:39

at it from a different perspective. Because when we

1:02:42

saw June 1st and they announced this fight, the

1:02:44

first thought we had was, oh, there's eight million

1:02:46

other things happening this day. It's going to be

1:02:48

a long... It's going to be a freaking marathon

1:02:50

trying to cover the boxing, 302 and this fight.

1:02:54

Now they took that off the table. We obviously

1:02:56

lost better BF anyways. So that's another thing that's

1:02:58

kind of off the table for June 1st. They're

1:03:00

going to rebook that. But does

1:03:02

this change things for you in terms of

1:03:04

how you view the event, the matchup, now

1:03:06

that it's happening a little over a month

1:03:08

after it was originally scheduled? Probably

1:03:11

because since the June 1st UFC pay-per-view is in

1:03:13

Newark, I was going to that anyway. So I

1:03:15

don't know how much I would have been able

1:03:17

to watch the Diaz-Mazur at all match anyway. Because

1:03:20

I would have been backstage at

1:03:22

UFC 302 doing my best to

1:03:24

watch it. I

1:03:27

mean, it's obviously it'll be instantly

1:03:29

easier to cover. I'm sure it's

1:03:31

also the week after Connor and

1:03:33

Chandler, correct? Like the weekend after.

1:03:35

So there's more things to talk about.

1:03:37

If Connor wins and Nate Diaz is

1:03:39

about to fight, everything is going

1:03:42

to be about Connor. Even to Jorge,

1:03:44

because Jorge has had his issues with Connor as well. And if

1:03:47

Connor is indeed have what, two, three fights

1:03:49

left on his contract, and all of a

1:03:51

sudden we're already selling a

1:03:53

Connor McGregor boxing match between Nate or

1:03:55

Jorge the weekend after. It'll only generate

1:03:57

clicks and only generate more interest. So

1:04:00

fans will

1:04:02

probably be much more interested. I'm not having

1:04:04

a fight. It was supposed to be at the Forum, correct?

1:04:06

It was supposed to be at the Kia Forum. That was

1:04:08

the original venue. Yes. The

1:04:12

Forum is just, it's obviously older

1:04:14

than the Honda Center in Anaheim, but

1:04:16

the Forum is just a way better

1:04:19

venue to watch a boxing match just

1:04:21

because of the history. It's in Englewood.

1:04:23

It's closer to things. Anaheim

1:04:26

has Disneyland and that's about it.

1:04:30

So yes, I am more interested. I think it

1:04:32

looks bad if you're gonna change day. What did

1:04:34

Chael say? Oh, if they change day, the fight's

1:04:36

canceled. That's just how he goes. It's just how

1:04:39

it is. If they change the fight, they might as well cancel.

1:04:41

I'm not quite on that level, but

1:04:43

it's definitely generating more interest because there's gonna

1:04:45

be less things going on, less eyeballs pulled.

1:04:48

They should have done this date and venue

1:04:50

to begin with. I'm sure people are already,

1:04:52

if you were excited for this, planning your

1:04:54

lives around going to the Forum. Casey

1:04:57

can no longer walk there because

1:04:59

he lives, not that he was gonna

1:05:02

walk there, but he basically lives, what, a stone's throw

1:05:04

away from the Forum. Now he's gotta go

1:05:06

all the way to Anaheim a bunch. So

1:05:08

yeah, but it'll be better for the site, better

1:05:10

for coverage, better for fans, because now they can

1:05:12

watch all of their favorite fighters on different days

1:05:14

and it'll just be the Conor McGregor Talk Fight

1:05:16

Week leading up to that. Jed,

1:05:20

does this change anything for you? Obviously, this

1:05:22

is a smart decision to make and as

1:05:24

Jose said, this was really

1:05:26

the only decision to make and it was probably

1:05:28

the decision to have been made well before they

1:05:30

announced June 1st to begin with, but does this

1:05:32

change things for you now that it's not June

1:05:34

1st? Sure,

1:05:39

I mean, all this stuff is right. This was

1:05:41

the correct decision. It is one of those things

1:05:43

where you can't throw the baby out the bathwater,

1:05:46

right? Like you don't throw bad money after good

1:05:48

money. You had

1:05:50

to do this. It sucks that they did

1:05:52

it in this timeline. Specifically too, when you

1:05:55

hear Moss where I'll give

1:05:57

his interviews to Harrow and kind of other places, specifically

1:05:59

was like, yeah. We don't want to

1:06:01

go head to head with the UFC. Nate

1:06:03

was insisting on this date. I'm

1:06:05

not sure why. It's bad

1:06:08

business, but oh well. He

1:06:11

knew it and ostensibly that was part

1:06:13

of the negotiations and Nate has finally

1:06:15

acquiesced are we got to move this.

1:06:17

Again, it is better to not kind

1:06:19

of dig your heels in and take

1:06:21

this out. But at the

1:06:23

same time, I'm sure they had already sold tickets

1:06:25

to the forum and fans were preparing for that.

1:06:28

I don't know if you guys are aware of this. June

1:06:30

1st and July 6th are two entirely

1:06:32

different dates. They're not remotely near each

1:06:34

other. They are separated by a month.

1:06:37

And so people who had already purchased tickets

1:06:39

and were planning, all right, we're going to

1:06:41

go watch this event on June 1st. Actually

1:06:45

it's like it's a month later, roughly the

1:06:47

same location, at least geographically enough that it's

1:06:49

not like, oh, we're actually doing it in

1:06:51

Miami now. So like there's that

1:06:53

part too, but it's still like, hey, we are

1:06:55

doing it July 4th weekend. Do you already have

1:06:57

plans with your family? Well you can

1:06:59

no longer come to this event, I guess. It

1:07:03

was bad process to get here. And

1:07:06

so it's just really stupid that it

1:07:08

took whatever ended up making it happen.

1:07:10

But ultimately, certainly for the at-home viewer

1:07:12

and for us, it's going to be

1:07:14

much better because instead of that being

1:07:18

probably the second biggest thing

1:07:20

for like us at least that happening

1:07:22

that weekend, or maybe even the third

1:07:24

based on how much boxing interest is

1:07:26

going on around then. Now we're talking

1:07:28

about, okay, this is a relatively open

1:07:30

weekend. I don't think there's anything, there's

1:07:32

nothing that I can think of that

1:07:34

comes to mind that's counter programming them.

1:07:37

And so it's just a holiday weekend. And

1:07:39

so that should like, that's

1:07:41

obviously where this should have happened all along.

1:07:43

So big picture, it's the right

1:07:45

move. The fact that it

1:07:47

was so long and stupid to get here is

1:07:50

annoying, but whatever,

1:07:53

we're past it. Now we're

1:07:55

on to new business. And

1:07:57

that business will take place July 6th, Honda

1:07:59

Center. I'm California Nate Diaz, Jorge

1:08:02

Masadal. Second meeting this time in

1:08:04

the boxing ring. Let's move

1:08:06

on. The point for round four goes to.

1:08:14

Jed Michoud two to two. I

1:08:16

wanted to rhyme. That's how it worked out. So

1:08:20

here we go. Time for the

1:08:22

knock around one question, one minute apiece.

1:08:25

This will decide it all. Jed, what are we doing

1:08:27

here? You want to go first BC is not here.

1:08:29

So maybe you want to go back to the

1:08:31

old school ways of going first. Cause

1:08:33

you don't have to deal with BC going for three and a half

1:08:35

minutes longer than you need to. No

1:08:38

pass just because I think I actually might know

1:08:40

what you're going to ask. And I realize it's

1:08:42

about a thing I haven't paid attention to. So

1:08:44

I need to figure that out real fast. Probably

1:08:47

not because I just thought of it 25 seconds

1:08:50

ago. Oh, well then.

1:08:52

Okay. So, and I'm, and it's

1:08:54

theft. I mean, it's definitely theft. Uh,

1:08:56

it's definitely theft. Uh,

1:08:59

so we'll go to Jose. We'll go to Jose. Uh,

1:09:01

it is theft because I'm stealing this directly from

1:09:03

the MMA hour. Uh, Ariel brought

1:09:05

something up, asked a few people about this

1:09:08

and it got me to thinking, and I might as well

1:09:10

present it to you guys here to make your arguments. The

1:09:14

question that Ariel presented is if you

1:09:16

could invest in one company right now,

1:09:19

whether it be BKFC or

1:09:21

PFL, who

1:09:23

would you put

1:09:25

your money towards and why? And I love this

1:09:27

question. I think you can make prime

1:09:30

compelling cases for both. BKFC is definitely

1:09:32

got a lot more buzz right now.

1:09:35

PFL slowly moving into different things.

1:09:37

Hopefully they can sign some more

1:09:39

names, but if you had a

1:09:41

hundred thousand dollars of free investment

1:09:43

money, but you can only put

1:09:45

that money towards one promotion, are

1:09:47

you choosing BKFC or are

1:09:49

you choosing PFL one minute on the clock? Go.

1:09:54

You're muted. I

1:09:58

lost five seconds. Don't even need it. Give him 10 more

1:10:00

seconds. Don't even need it. I'm

1:10:03

choosing BKFC and not because I think it's

1:10:05

a better product or has a better future.

1:10:07

I think it's the worst product than PFL

1:10:09

in terms of actual competition in sports. Yes,

1:10:11

Mike Perry is very exciting, but when a

1:10:13

bunch of fights end with freak injuries and

1:10:16

you have more fights in the stands than

1:10:18

in the ring, that's silly. I'm only choosing

1:10:20

BKFC because now that Conor McGregor is an

1:10:22

investor, he at one point was the highest

1:10:24

and richest and highest earning

1:10:26

athlete on planet earth more than

1:10:28

Cristiano Ronaldo, which is just crazy to

1:10:30

think that an MMA fighter did that. Conor

1:10:33

McGregor seems to have, I don't know if

1:10:35

it's him or the people around him telling

1:10:37

him to make smart business decisions, not smart

1:10:39

life decisions, business decisions. So I'm going to

1:10:42

hitch my ride to Conor McGregor because he

1:10:44

has the proof of track record. PFL, yeah,

1:10:46

they have Francis and Jake Paul and all

1:10:48

these other things. Their product is not great.

1:10:51

I like MMA more than bare knuckle. Conor

1:10:53

makes more money. You'll have more return on investment.

1:10:57

I mean, just a business savvy answer right there. Yes.

1:11:00

Let's go over to Jed. Also, RIP

1:11:02

R.J. Emerson. News

1:11:05

just came out that one glove, Jimerson Pacilis.

1:11:09

That sucks, man. I just saw that myself. Yeah,

1:11:12

tough. Tough news, met

1:11:14

Art a couple times. Super nice guy.

1:11:17

Still wears the one glove to this day

1:11:19

or did to every time I saw him

1:11:21

just live in the gimmick and yeah, much

1:11:23

respect to an OG. Rest

1:11:25

in peace to Art Jimerson's condolences to

1:11:27

the family. Now, Jed, I know it's tough to transition.

1:11:30

I actually have to answer a question after that,

1:11:32

but here we are. This is why you are

1:11:35

the man who's been on the show in competition

1:11:37

now 85. This is now the 86th time. Counting

1:11:41

the Q&As, you've probably been on the show well over 100, but

1:11:43

here we go. You

1:11:46

got $100,000. You can only

1:11:48

choose one. Is it BKFC? Is it PFL?

1:11:51

Where you going? Why? Go.

1:11:54

So if it's 100 grand, I'm definitely going to be BKFC.

1:11:57

A lot of what Jose said is fair. Also,

1:11:59

just I think they're gonna use 100

1:12:01

grand better than PFL is gonna use it.

1:12:03

They like, I mean, this is a promotion

1:12:05

we're talking about where the old Feldman put

1:12:07

three mortgages on his house to get a

1:12:09

card over the line like 100k

1:12:12

and PFL. Honestly, that bankroll is like

1:12:14

a whole event, if not multiple events

1:12:16

outside of a Mike Perry, knuckle media

1:12:18

kind of event. They can just use

1:12:20

that money better. And I do think

1:12:22

they're more popular. They just are they

1:12:25

draw more interest broadly, they can get

1:12:27

further. Now, instead, you're like, hey, you

1:12:30

are suddenly turkey out chic, and you got all the

1:12:32

money in the world, who are you banking, I

1:12:35

would put it into PFL for two reasons.

1:12:37

One, I desperately want them to be a

1:12:39

successful product, because the UFC

1:12:41

needs somebody to hold their feet to the

1:12:43

fire and PFL is the best bet we

1:12:45

got. And two, if I gave them more

1:12:47

than 100 grand, I might get some

1:12:49

say in their promotion and get them to

1:12:52

do things right instead of doing

1:12:54

things stupid. And they desperately need

1:12:56

a czar of common sense and

1:12:58

PFL. There's

1:13:02

your answers. There's your answer there. So what

1:13:04

like what's the dollar figure, Jed, that would

1:13:06

like take you to the next level? I

1:13:09

mean, I realized I realized $100,000 is like nothing.

1:13:12

And I realized that like mid asking

1:13:14

the question, but in

1:13:17

both of these scenarios, I'm assuming I can't

1:13:19

just keep the money, which would be the

1:13:21

choice I would make. Because

1:13:24

I would not feel either as a sound

1:13:26

investment of my of my dollars. But

1:13:29

I don't know, like 10 million

1:13:31

probably buys me away into

1:13:33

making decisions at PFL. Okay,

1:13:37

there, you wouldn't take that 10 million you

1:13:40

choose PFL over BKFC with 10 million.

1:13:43

Yes. Okay, more so

1:13:45

just so you could have some power and some

1:13:47

say. And

1:13:49

I also believe that their product is more

1:13:51

necessary than BKFC. I think if you gave

1:13:54

me 10 million, they would just I

1:13:56

do would be great. And if you like

1:13:58

BKFC cool, but it would just be more

1:14:00

BKFC whereas if you could

1:14:03

give PFL 10 million maybe you can make

1:14:05

it a better product. Fair.

1:14:07

All right. Catch your votes everybody. Get

1:14:10

them in. Get them in hot.

1:14:12

First thing I'm doing as leader

1:14:15

of either of these is I am

1:14:17

teaching the cameraman of PFL how it's

1:14:19

a white balance and I am getting

1:14:21

rid of that idiotic rote like camera

1:14:23

that spins around the oh

1:14:26

you don't like the

1:14:28

camera? No it absolutely

1:14:31

sucks and I hate it and every time

1:14:34

I see I go this sucks but at

1:14:36

least the cameraman knows how to white balance

1:14:38

and color correct unlike the people at PFL.

1:14:40

What would be your

1:14:42

first order of business Jen? Oh

1:14:45

more more graphics and stats.

1:14:48

I just have more of them on the paper. We

1:14:51

need more. I mean actually my first thing

1:14:53

would be getting rid of punching speed as

1:14:55

the most useless they have ever seen and

1:14:59

honestly the first order of business would be the

1:15:01

power bar Mike we all know this. Oh

1:15:04

yeah. It would revolutionize the industry. I've

1:15:09

been I mean look Kayla's gone now so the

1:15:11

wheel of Kayla is no more but I loved

1:15:13

that idea where Kayla just fought. You've had a

1:15:16

lot of shoes fighting and you had to spin

1:15:18

the wheel and whatever whatever it landed on that

1:15:20

was the gimmick of the match. Kayla had one

1:15:22

hand tied behind her back Kayla does have a

1:15:24

wheel right? I'm sure

1:15:27

they have one. They do

1:15:29

a terrific unbelievable thing. Yeah

1:15:31

I mean the wheels are just the best. I

1:15:34

mean it makes everything better. It took Shaheen like

1:15:36

three years to figure this out but he is

1:15:38

now on board with the wheel making everything better.

1:15:40

It just it just does. Casey

1:15:43

do we have a winner? Oh

1:15:46

yeah. Yeah. Oh okay.

1:15:49

Oh yeah. I wonder who

1:15:51

it is. We're

1:15:54

all winners because of Sharknado guys. Baby Sharknado

1:15:56

is the best. The

1:16:00

lava lamp, the lava lamp, tarantulas or whatever

1:16:02

you call it. I like how... I

1:16:05

forgot. What is the... I forgot. So

1:16:08

I looked up the sharknado lore and

1:16:10

I learned that sharknado's fort... Sharknado

1:16:15

4 is called Sharknado 4

1:16:17

Oh Hell No. Which

1:16:19

is a great name. Or

1:16:22

the fourth awakens. Is the ultimate. Oh no,

1:16:24

no, no, but that's what they're about. Sharknado

1:16:26

3 Oh Hell No. Oh, 3 Oh Hell

1:16:28

No. Okay. And then lava

1:16:31

lanceula, the second lava lanceula. Lava

1:16:33

lanceula is 2 lava 2 lanceula,

1:16:36

which is a great name. It's

1:16:38

the best name of all time. That's a good one.

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2 lava 2 lanceula. Yeah, that's good.

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These people are geniuses. Sharknado

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Heart of Sharkness. Unbelievable

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name. That's really unbelievable name for a movie. The

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third lava lanceula is called 2025 Armageddon

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and it is a cross... 25th

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anniversary of crossover events of the

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asylum, which I don't know what

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that is, but it sounds crazy.

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Who knows? Who knows what any of these things are?

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It's the best. Also, they put out

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one a year for five years, which

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is crazy. Dude,

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sci-fi channel guy, you gotta keep making

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that money. Alright.

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Your winner today with 69% of

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the votes. Nice.

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Nice. I get it. You

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draw an option. Jed Michoud.

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I don't believe it. Hey, Jed

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Michoud. Nicely done. Sharknado

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rules all... By the way, Jed, I might

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as well just let

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you know and let you in on what has just transpired

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over the last few minutes in the Twitter world. Guess

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who's tweeting again? John Jones. Someone

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sent a comment to him. I'll do it happier.

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Oh no, I'm reading it. people

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saying you're holding up the division now. Two

1:18:03

tweets from John knows one. No, I think

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it's great to see the UFC showing such

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a level of respect to their champion athletes.

1:18:09

I've dedicated my entire adult life to the

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sport. I think I'm allowed to get hurt

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once this injury was supposed to take up

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to a year to heal, but I'm already

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talking about regression tweet two.

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And besides, there's not many people in

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the heavyweight division right now that are

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capable of creating super fights. Alex

1:18:28

doesn't move up in the near future.

1:18:30

You're not really missing out on much.

1:18:32

The belt will just be tossed around

1:18:34

like usual business. There you

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go. Now take your 30 seconds. In

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lieu of speaking on John Jones, the coward,

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I decided I'd read you the

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lava lanchela, a quick bio here,

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which is the television film

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that takes place after a series

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of volcanic eruptions in Los Angeles,

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unleash a swarm of giant lava

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breathing tarantulas. I

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don't know what else you need to watch a

1:19:02

movie, but you should

1:19:04

watch lava. This

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individual called lazy bed in our

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chat had three ideas. Wolficane,

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which I assume is a hurricane

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of wolves, man, which

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is a bunch of alligators

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coming out of the ground after and

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then Viper Blizzard, which sounds like

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snakes meets blizzard, which sounds like

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an economy and avalanche has something

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is great. And Viper Blizzard just

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would go see later on tonight.

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I love this because

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then you got to think about like bears

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like that. Just Like we make our own fun

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ones. They're going to Gray when I might

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