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Not worth what's up everybody I

2:26

have my have the all having

2:28

a wonderful start to the we

2:30

We Are back for a post

2:32

paper view edition of the program.

2:35

Yes. There. Was a paper view.

2:37

You. Have C Three or one. It.

2:39

Has come and gone. It

2:41

happens. Very. Few

2:44

people watched it. Very few people seem

2:46

to care, but those who did watch

2:48

it and those who. Partook.

2:51

In the action. Out the your

2:53

that display there was pretty good time. Some.

2:55

Good fights you know, at As we said

2:57

pretty much throughout the builds. I

3:00

feel like I was sort of leading that train.

3:03

Not a good card. In terms

3:05

of what a typical paper view lineup

3:07

would look like, But. The.

3:10

Matchmaking was pretty decent. There is a

3:12

good fights. Some. Of

3:14

that stuff delivered. The main story lines

3:16

delivered. We had a pretty fun close

3:19

made events for the flyway title. Which.

3:22

Was won by hours after. Penned

3:24

Toda. Again, Vinny, Sig Steve

3:26

or say who put forth quite the effort

3:28

and just his fourth. You have see fight.

3:31

And. Just a levin months into the

3:33

company. In. A big

3:35

Vinnie Things will be back. And

3:37

exists of things he did enough I especially the

3:39

fifth round that he's gonna regret. And

3:42

this is gonna be one of those sort of

3:44

cross roads fights for hit. For him

3:46

next. Because. This is sort

3:48

of a fork in the road. Sort. Of

3:50

result, for him, a fight he probably could have

3:52

one. And.

3:56

I. think he knows that and i think a lot of

3:59

the and make community as that as well, and

4:02

he could decide to just live

4:05

the next several months with regret, damn it,

4:08

can't believe I shot that takedown in round

4:10

five, or he could dust himself off

4:12

and say, look, I took so much away from this fight.

4:14

A lot

4:17

of people were counting me out. I

4:19

know I can hang with this guy, and I know

4:21

I can hang with everybody in this division. So

4:24

let's see how he bounces back. Maybe we see him

4:27

when the UFC heads to Perth in August.

4:29

Perhaps that's too soon, but I

4:32

think Vinny Siggs will try his absolute best to

4:34

get on that card. And

4:36

why the hell not? It's got a lot

4:38

of momentum right now. As is Jose

4:41

Aldo, the sport's biggest free agents

4:44

in quite some time, he

4:46

goes out and just kind of thumps up Jonathan

4:48

Martinez, and I actually rewatched

4:50

that fight yesterday, and there were a lot

4:52

of people who were telling me, yeah, Jose

4:54

looked good, but Jonathan didn't show up. I

4:57

just don't buy that theory. I just don't

4:59

buy into it. Was

5:01

there potentially early

5:04

on a little being

5:07

starstruck, perhaps? But

5:10

to say that Jonathan Martinez didn't show up and

5:14

give an effort is pretty

5:16

ridiculous. Jose just looked

5:19

like Jose Aldo. And I

5:21

was saying throughout the entire build of the

5:23

fight, I was very stunned that Jose Aldo

5:25

was the underdog heading

5:27

in. And

5:30

I felt like the fight played out exactly the way I

5:32

thought it would. The only way

5:35

I saw Jose Aldo losing that fight is

5:37

if he just was done. He

5:39

didn't care. He was just

5:41

way too old. He was too weathered.

5:43

Wasn't the same guy. He was on

5:46

not the back nine, but like the back two like

5:48

he was on hole number 17. And that

5:52

was just the only way I saw

5:54

him losing that fight stylistically. It was

5:56

a tremendous matchup for him and matched

5:58

up incredibly well. And that's how the fight played

6:00

out. It looks like Jose was going to get

6:02

him out there in round three. He didn't

6:05

do that, but swept the

6:07

cards. Pretty one-sided performance from Jose

6:09

Aldo. Martinez had his moments, but

6:11

Jose Aldo, the best defensive fighter

6:13

in UFC history, in my opinion,

6:17

just delivered a performance in

6:19

Rio. The crown remains on his

6:21

head. The king of Rio remains, and

6:23

now he is a free agent, and it's going to

6:25

be real interesting to see where he goes. Will he

6:27

resign with UFC? Will he move

6:30

on to other ventures? Is it about

6:33

checking off the boxes when

6:35

it comes to winning a

6:37

title in the second weight class? Is

6:39

it about money? Is it about legacy? What

6:43

is it about? We

6:45

will find out. But I will

6:47

tell you what, if I am PFL right now, I

6:49

am calling all those people, and

6:51

I'm saying, what is it going to take for you to

6:53

come over here? And

6:56

no matter what he says, you

6:58

need to say bet and pay him and make

7:00

it happen, because that

7:03

will be an impassable move. It

7:06

just will. And I'd

7:09

be interested to see Jose

7:11

Aldo fight Patchy Mix. I think that would be fun

7:13

as hell. He's probably going to go box. Maybe BKFC

7:15

throws a bunch of money at him, but I

7:19

kind of feel like, unless

7:22

the UFC just offers him a

7:25

ton of money, or they offer him a title

7:27

fight immediately, I just don't know if he

7:29

sticks around. I just don't know. But

7:33

good win for him. And

7:36

we'll see where he goes from here. Anthony Smith

7:38

gets a first round submission win over Vito

7:40

Petrino. Two minutes on the nose. Vito

7:43

Petrino just was not ready for this

7:45

type of moment. As you can see,

7:47

he just basically gave the fight away

7:49

very quickly. Michelle Pereira just doing

7:51

Michelle Pereira things. Kyle Baraglio remains

7:53

undefeated inside the Octogod. He knocks out Paul

7:56

Craig, just like he promised. Jo

7:58

Anderson, Brito, Jack Shore ends in the super

8:00

weird way with Jack Shore

8:02

having a freaking hole in his shin. Gasm

8:06

Dusindo just dominates Karolina

8:08

Kolbakiewicz. Mick Tebek,

8:10

Ourobi, what a fight that

8:12

was with Elvis Brenner. He's going to be super

8:14

duper tough to beat in this division. He's

8:17

only 26, so he's only going to get better. So if you're

8:19

one of these sort

8:21

of big name lightweights that are looking

8:24

to bounce back or looking for a big

8:27

opportunity and you

8:29

want to try to hand this guy his first

8:31

UFC loss, I'd probably knock on his door now.

8:34

If I'm like the Dan Hookers of the world, I'm

8:37

probably knocking on this guy's door right now. If I'm Galen

8:41

Turner or maybe

8:46

a Bobby Green or something like that, like I'm

8:48

calling this dude out because now

8:50

is the time to fight him for sure. Because

8:52

if you wait a year, he's going to be

8:54

a monster. So good performance

8:57

from him. Drakkar Close battles

8:59

through, beats Joakim Silva. Mauricio

9:01

Rufi knocks out Jamie Malarkey. Gianni

9:04

Barbosa tough fight with Ernesta Karakate,

9:07

but it was a close fight.

9:09

Barbosa gets the unanimous decision. Some

9:12

people disagreed with that. I thought

9:14

it was fine. Ishmael

9:17

Bongfim wins and Alessandro Costa kicks off

9:19

the night with a second

9:22

round TKO. So that was UFC 301. Again,

9:25

probably not a car we're going to go back and watch

9:27

ever again, but it was fun.

9:30

And I mean, there's just no

9:32

buzz for this whatsoever. I can't I can't

9:34

remember. Honestly, I cannot remember a UFC

9:39

pay-per-view event that had so little

9:41

buzz, so little promotion behind it.

9:44

Just nobody cared. Literally

9:46

nobody cared. And

9:48

it was wild. It was wild.

9:51

But the UFC heads to St.

9:53

Louis for a Fight Night

9:56

event. Pretty decent card. Main

9:58

event is yikes. It's not

10:00

great. Derek Lewis versus Rodrigo

10:02

Nastamento. That's just what St.

10:05

Louis is clamoring for. I'm not buying a ticket

10:07

unless Rodrigo Nastamento is in the main event. Boy,

10:10

that could be a tough hang. Either

10:13

Louis, well, I don't know. Either Louis is gonna

10:15

knock him out quick or we're gonna get 25

10:17

minutes of Nastamento just kind of sitting on top

10:19

of Derek Lewis. Buckley Rudzeboff

10:22

is interesting. Manifield, Alberg's good

10:24

fight. CDF versus Matusz

10:26

Rubecky, big step up for Matusz.

10:29

Alex Casarasz on Woodson. We get the

10:31

return of Robelas to Spain against Waldo

10:34

Cortez Acosta. I mean,

10:36

some good fights on here. There

10:38

are definitely some good fights. But

10:42

that main event is tough.

10:45

It's kind of a tough main event if we're being honest.

10:49

On other news, Matt Brown announces

10:51

his retirement from

10:54

MMA on Saturday before UFC

10:56

301. Our own

10:58

David Martin, obviously, hosts a podcast with Matt Brown. He

11:00

got the chance to talk to him, get a reaction

11:02

from him. He got listed out of the podcast. Now

11:05

we're gonna believe there's video on the YouTube channel as

11:07

well to get Matt Brown's honest

11:09

reaction and all that,

11:11

what led to the decision, etc. And

11:15

then we got some other fights that were announced. We found out

11:17

that Corey Sandhagen versus

11:19

Umar Nurmagomedov is back on the

11:22

books. It is going to headline

11:24

the UFC's Fight Night event

11:26

in Abu Dhabi on

11:28

August 3rd. That's a hell of a fight.

11:32

That is the fight to make. There's no other fight to make

11:35

in this division, in my opinion. And

11:38

we're gonna see how good Umar Nurmagomedov really

11:40

is. Is he the guy? Is

11:43

he the uncrowned champion that a lot of people

11:45

feel he is? A lot of people in this

11:47

space. A lot of people at mmayfighting.com feel like

11:49

Umar Nurmagomedov is the... It's

11:52

just a man in waiting. It's just when he gets a

11:54

shot, he's gonna get the belt. Not

11:57

quite there yet. I obviously see

11:59

the potential. obviously see what everybody is

12:01

talking about. But

12:03

he's a little, I'm not gonna say he's

12:06

chinny, but dude

12:08

can get hit, dude can get hit. And

12:10

he can crumble a little bit, but

12:13

his ability to bounce

12:15

back from that and transition

12:17

into takedowns is pretty unbelievable.

12:20

And let's see if Corey Sandhagen can slow

12:22

down that momentum on August 3rd over five

12:24

rounds. Really looking forward to that fight and

12:27

really looking forward to talk to you guys. So

12:29

let's go, let's get into this and

12:32

let's rock and roll.

12:34

Jaystadt, kick us off. Sup,

12:39

brother? What is

12:41

next for Elvis Brenner and also

12:43

what is next for Uribe and

12:46

what is next for Kyle? That'd be all, thank

12:48

you, sir. Ah,

12:51

a little matchmaking. Elvis Brenner,

12:54

I'll get him last because he

12:56

did not win. Good

12:59

fight though, he put up quite the effort. Oral

13:01

by is really tough and

13:04

Brenner's just a dog, man. It's like impossible to

13:06

get that dude out of here. For

13:10

Oral by, I like

13:12

the Drew Dober fight. I think I

13:14

don't wanna like give him, is Drew Dober ranked

13:17

in the FC rankings? Let me just check. Let

13:21

me just check real quick.

13:24

No, he's not. Yeah, I don't wanna give

13:26

him like a ranked dude just yet but

13:29

I think he's good enough. Like I think he's good

13:32

enough. I think he's probably,

13:34

I think I have him 19 in

13:37

my rankings right now and

13:40

for good reason. I

13:42

probably could rank him higher if I wanted to get

13:45

all potentially on it but I

13:49

like the Drew Dober fight. If they wanna do Jokar

13:52

close, who's coming off of a win? I

13:54

don't mind that idea. I

13:57

saw some people say like Joel Alvarez, I'd be fine with

13:59

that. that CDF's fighting

14:02

Matusz We

14:30

take Caiio away from

14:32

Rio We

14:35

put him back in his home. Away from home. The

14:38

world's most famous Apex. We give

14:40

him a main event. Five rounds against

14:44

one Jack the Joker Hermanson. I

14:47

think that's where you go with him. Let's

14:49

give him a veteran name. And

14:52

see how he does over five rounds against

14:55

the guy who's got a bit of a chip on his shoulder

14:57

these days. He's got a buffer and had

14:59

that chip and looked real good. Let's

15:01

see if he can do the same against the guy

15:04

like Caiio Barraia. That's just kind of where he is right now.

15:07

And then for Brenner. Like

15:17

Rafa Garcia. I

15:19

don't know. Joe Cilecki is fighting Grant Dawson at 302. Maybe

15:22

the winner of that. Or one

15:24

of those two guys would make sense to me.

15:29

Terrence McKinney wins this weekend. I wouldn't mind

15:31

seeing Elvis Breder versus Terrence McKinney. You know

15:33

what? That's the answer. That's the

15:35

answer. Terrence McKinney. Terrence

15:38

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15:40

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go ahead. Oh,

18:13

I had two things that I wanted to hit

18:15

on. After watching

18:17

Jose Aldo the other day, all

18:20

I kept thinking was, God

18:23

damn, I want to see him fight

18:25

Corey San Hagen so bad.

18:27

I think that that would be a

18:29

fun matchup, even though I

18:31

really think that Corey deserves a title at

18:33

the belt after fighting Umar. But

18:36

damn, that Jose Aldo fight

18:38

would be fun. And supposedly,

18:42

Matt Fravola was hinting

18:44

at RDA, possibly

18:47

fighting RDA on his Twitter. I

18:50

love Matt Fravola. I think that's a horrible fight. What do you

18:52

think? I

18:56

mean, if you're Matt Fravola,

19:02

I think that fight is something you

19:04

probably strive for. I would say of all the

19:06

names that are kind of there, it's

19:10

probably the most realistic one, and it's

19:12

probably the name that kind of gives

19:14

him the most value right now. Former

19:17

champion, all of

19:19

that. So I don't

19:21

hate him trying to go after that fight. I

19:24

don't think it goes all that well for him, but

19:28

I could be wrong. I

19:33

could be wrong. I mean, who

19:35

knows, maybe Matt Fravola gets the Patty fight. You

19:38

know Patty's gonna fight in Manchester. They're gonna make

19:40

that fight. He's gonna fight somebody.

19:44

And if the UFC deems

19:46

like Moikano is too high

19:48

in the rankings or whatnot,

19:51

then I think Fravola is like a

19:54

good plan B. So maybe that's there. If

19:59

they don't do the... the Moikano fight, although I think the

20:01

Moikano fight is sort of a no-brainer at

20:03

this point, but if

20:05

they're just like, yeah, money's a

20:07

little too high in the rankings right now, let's push him

20:09

up a little bit higher than

20:12

Dufovola. But yeah,

20:16

if they make it, I'm certainly okay with

20:18

it. And

20:20

Jose Aldo Cori Sanhego would rule. That would be

20:22

a great one. Jose

20:24

Aldo said after the fight that he

20:27

wanted the Cori Sanhegan fight, but

20:29

Sanhegan was still a little bit banged up. He

20:33

mentioned Henry Sujuto. He said he actually reached out

20:35

to Henry Sujuto and was like,

20:37

let's go, man. And Henry's

20:39

like, nah, banged up, shoulder surgery

20:41

can't happen. So he ends

20:44

up getting Jonathan Martinez. And

20:46

there you go. I mean,

20:48

Dominic Cruz would be fun.

20:50

No, we'll see. We'll see what the UFC

20:53

ponies up here, but money's

20:56

got to be good. And honestly,

20:58

if I'm Jose, I ain't

21:01

taking anything unless it's a

21:03

probably unless it's a title

21:06

fight, really. He's going to have

21:08

lots of money

21:10

making options elsewhere, probably more so than he will

21:12

get with the UFC. I know the UFC does

21:14

have matching rights, but a PFL comes in and

21:16

offers him $2 million of fight,

21:19

which they 1 million percent should do. I

21:22

just don't think the UFC is going to match that. So my

21:25

guess is it's probably it, but who knows?

21:27

Maybe Jose is just like, I don't care.

21:29

I'm comfortable in the UFC. I'll stick around.

21:32

We shall see. But

21:35

him and Sanhegan will be incredible. I

21:39

love that idea. And Zolaia, go ahead. So

21:41

Mark, heck of a morning. It's been a

21:43

while. Firstly, I just want

21:45

to say I think this event that

21:47

happened this past Saturday

21:50

was a pretty decent

21:52

event for everything that had

21:54

been upheld on its end with being a

21:56

really mediocre card and also just the fact

21:59

that the NBA. playoffs are going on at

22:01

the moment in F1. So you know prophecy

22:03

UFC and prophecy like Steve Urce,

22:05

you know my Aussie guy, Pantoja,

22:09

Aldo and all the other fighters on that main

22:11

card you know delivering. I just

22:14

want to ask a few questions.

22:16

I'll start with this just matchmaking

22:18

and I'm going to talk about

22:20

the Central Asian Dagestani

22:23

fighters that are you

22:25

know not scheduled to have a fight

22:27

but I saw today Mavza he had

22:29

an interview he talked about how he possibly

22:32

was offered a fight by UFC by

22:34

Aldo. I would love to see

22:36

that fight and I think they should make that

22:38

as the main event for the Abu Dhabi fight

22:40

not card that's happening in August. Shafka

22:43

and Jack I think that should leave

22:45

them to be able to be possibly

22:47

the main event or the third main

22:49

fight in the per card depending

22:51

on what fight they decide to go with over there

22:54

and I

22:56

would say you know that does open up

22:59

an interesting you know loophole for

23:01

what does the UFC plan do with this year's

23:04

pay-per-view for Abu Dhabi because if you look at

23:06

it outside of 2022

23:08

and last year and maybe

23:10

21 depending on you know

23:13

casuals or hard-cores I would say most of

23:15

the Abu Dhabi cards have never been really

23:18

crazily stacked since they've started this inception

23:20

from you know the time cap

23:22

people was headlining the Abu

23:24

Dhabi State Arena in in

23:26

their city so I'm just curious what the UFC plans do

23:29

with it later on this year and

23:31

also just one more thing to touch on I saw

23:33

I'm not sure this is true or not but I've

23:35

been seeing a lot of posts around

23:37

about Rosen strike having a rematch with

23:39

that Dagestani

23:41

by rain fighter he just had a

23:44

fight with two months back is that

23:46

really true that's what I have a great day Shamil

23:50

Ghazi of God if that's true

23:52

then like

23:55

what the hell are we doing here? Why?

24:00

Why would that even be a thought?

24:02

Even as a joke. Like

24:04

that's not even funny. Nobody

24:07

wants to see that fight again.

24:09

Not even Shamil Gauseyas wants that

24:11

fight again. Nobody

24:13

wants to see that again. It was a

24:15

tough hang. That event

24:18

as a whole was a tough hang. I

24:21

just don't know. No, no, no, no,

24:23

no, no. Jarszyno should be

24:25

in St. Louis this weekend and after Derek Louis

24:27

Daxo Rodrigo de Cemento needs to get into the

24:30

cage and be like, come on, man. Fans want

24:32

it. Everybody wants it. What the hell are we

24:34

doing? Let's fight. That's

24:37

the fight to make. Nothing else will be acceptable

24:39

after that. And that's it. That

24:42

is it. Look,

24:44

the Abu Dhabi cards have been pretty good. I

24:47

mean, we got Hamza and Usin. I mean, it

24:49

was like a backdoor kind of a thing with

24:52

all the injuries. We ended up getting a

24:54

highly anticipated rematch which turned out to be

24:56

like not great but Islam was

24:58

on the card. There was still a lot of buzz for

25:02

that event. The

25:04

previous events over there were pretty good too. We'll

25:07

stack it up. I expect Hamza to

25:09

fight on that card depending

25:12

on what happens if he doesn't get dinged up when

25:14

he fights Robert Whitaker. I

25:17

certainly expect Islam Makachev to fight

25:19

on that card. If he's gonna

25:21

fight on that card with the lightweight

25:24

title in line one way or the other, I think.

25:26

He's either gonna... He's

25:29

either gonna lose to Dustin Poirier and they'll

25:31

try to do a rematch or maybe Poirier's

25:33

just like, nah, I've got to the

25:35

mountaintop. I don't need to do anything else. I'm done

25:37

and then he'll fight for the vacant belt. But

25:43

as much as the vibes are certainly with

25:45

Poirier right now, I just have to be

25:47

honest with myself and it would

25:49

be a cool as hell story as

25:51

someone who's followed the sport for a long time to see

25:54

Dustin Poirier go in there and win

25:56

the belts. It would just be unreal.

25:59

It'd just be... just an incredible

26:01

story. But

26:03

we have to be honest with ourselves, it's a

26:05

horrible matchup for him. It's just a terrible matchup

26:07

for him. And

26:10

I just feel like his arm's gonna win and then he's

26:12

gonna go fight Armand Tsurukian in the main event in

26:15

October. And that will make me very, very happy

26:17

because that's the fight I want to see. And

26:22

then we'll kind of go from there and see how it all

26:25

sort of works out. And if I'm Shopk... If

26:27

I'm Shopk, I am

26:30

booking shit right now. I'm waiting

26:32

to see what happens with UFC 304 because

26:34

UFC has not announced a single fight for

26:37

that yet. And

26:40

I expect Tom Asinall to be on that card. I

26:42

do expect Liat Edwards to be on that card. He

26:45

shouldn't fight Balal Muhammad, but what if UFC

26:47

pivots? What

26:50

if they pivot to Shopk? Either

26:53

if you ran a poll right now on

26:55

any of their social media pages, or

26:58

on any of their websites, if the UFC said,

27:00

hey, fan vote, who

27:03

should Leon fight for the welterweight title? Who

27:05

should he defend the belt against? Shopkot or

27:08

Balal, I will guarantee you that

27:10

Shopkot is gonna get 65% of the vote. Which

27:16

is crazy to say. But

27:19

if not, yeah, go fight JDM. That's

27:22

fun to sell. Sure. And Bob Zarr versus

27:24

Aljo? Sure. That's the fight to make. So

27:29

let's go do that. Kowloon

27:33

City, go ahead. You're

27:39

muted, Kowloon City. Hello?

27:45

All right, here we go. Thanks

27:47

for taking me, dude. I'm well

27:49

aware of who MMA fighting wants

27:51

to come out

27:53

victorious in the Islam-Dustin fight. Yeah,

27:57

it's kinda interesting. Yesterday's almost like...

28:00

I get it. We want to celebrate

28:02

Dustin, but let's have some integrity here.

28:04

My question would be, who does the

28:07

USC want to come out of that

28:09

fight? I actually think they

28:11

might be rooting for

28:13

Dustin in a weird way to come out

28:15

victorious there for their business plans. Just

28:18

let me know what you think. Appreciate it. All

28:22

right. So let's just be clear.

28:26

The MA hour is on MMA fighting, but

28:28

the MA hour does not speak for all of us.

28:31

And as a fan

28:34

of storyline and all

28:36

of that, it would

28:38

be something we would

28:41

remember forever in this sport. If

28:43

Dustin Poirier goes out and knocks out his Omak

28:45

Jeff, it would be insane. It would

28:48

be above O'Reilly moments.

28:50

It would be something... It

28:54

would just be incredible. And

28:58

from that perspective, it would just be kind

29:00

of cool just because it

29:02

would be something we remember. If Islam goes and does what

29:04

I think he's going to do, no one's going to be

29:06

like, yes, Islam's beat Volk

29:08

twice and then he beat Dustin Poirier, which

29:15

is... Poirier is the guy right now. He

29:17

just is. Availability is your best friend.

29:20

He's the dude, Armin Sarukian, very wisely

29:22

said, nope, not fighting

29:24

June 1st. Dustin gets the call.

29:26

He sort of explained everything yesterday.

29:29

At least me, I'm

29:32

not rooting for anything.

29:36

There is a part of it... Traffic wise, would

29:39

Dustin be a bigger story? Hell yeah, it would

29:41

be. No doubt about it. But

29:45

I'm just looking to see if Dustin can actually do

29:47

it. That's why I

29:49

was so intrigued by Aldo versus Jonathan

29:51

Martinez and a lot of the attitude

29:53

surrounding it because I just

29:56

felt like Aldo was going to win

29:58

that fight pretty easily. I

30:00

think obviously Jonathan's good,

30:03

and although we'd have moments of

30:05

struggle, but from a stylistic

30:07

perspective, everything just screamed. There's

30:10

just no chance, although Louis

30:12

is this fight unless he's just completely washing

30:14

over the hill, which I didn't see. And

30:17

this is sort of how I view this fight. Dust

30:21

is a dog, and everyone

30:23

makes a mistake. And

30:26

if Islam makes a mistake and Dustin capitalized and win the

30:28

belt, it'd be a stunning moment. Like

30:30

it would be a shocking development. Again,

30:34

much like the Charles Olivera

30:36

matchup, everything on paper tells

30:38

me that Islam should just dust and

30:43

no pun intended. It

30:45

just kind of seems that way. But

30:47

Dustin did bring up something very interesting on the

30:51

MAR yesterday, and I kind of agree with him.

30:54

I feel like Islam's just, I'm not saying

30:56

he's overlooking him, but he's kind

30:58

of shrugging him off a little bit. And

31:01

maybe that's just gamesmanship on his part. He is a

31:03

pretty smart guy. He's got a lot better with the

31:05

mind games in the mental side of the sport, mental

31:08

warfare, so to speak. But

31:10

there is a little bit of a, there

31:13

is a little bit of that. Yeah, this is just

31:15

kind of the thing I'm going to have to do until

31:17

I fight Armin in October. And

31:21

if that's really how he's feeling about this

31:23

fight, that could be bad news for him.

31:26

So I do think Islam's going to win. I

31:30

think Dustin will have like a moment or two, but I

31:33

think this is Islam's fight to lose. And

31:35

if I'm the UFC, I think I want Islam to

31:37

win. I mean, they're

31:40

in a no-lose situation. Either Dustin wins

31:43

the belt, and

31:45

I feel like if he wins the belt, he's probably just going to

31:48

retire. It just feels

31:50

like that's what he should do. Like he's

31:52

gotten to the top of the mountain. He beat Islam

31:55

Makkachuk to do it. I

31:57

kind of feel like there's nothing more for him to do.

31:59

He's already fought. Connor twice. He's already got

32:01

the, I mean, technically three times, but he's

32:03

already got like the quote unquote, red panty

32:06

night twice. He doesn't need the money.

32:08

He's had monster fights already. He's

32:11

got to get another pretty significant piece

32:14

of pay here. I

32:17

think he would just walk away,

32:19

probably. So I don't think the UFC really loses

32:21

the situation. Even if Dustin like sticks around and

32:24

wants to fight like they do Dustin versus

32:27

Armin and build that up. Like that's a

32:29

huge ass fight. They do Dustin Gaethje again.

32:31

They could do that. There's one, one there.

32:34

Dustin versus Max Holloway again. We could do

32:36

that again. Like there's

32:38

a lot you could do. So

32:41

I honestly, it's

32:44

a, it's, they can't lose here, but

32:47

Islam wins. They get to go to Abu Dhabi. They get

32:49

to do a big gate, make

32:51

the governing body

32:53

over there, the, you know,

32:56

the politicians, so to speak, very

32:58

happy that Islam's back over there

33:00

headlining. So I don't think they're

33:02

really rooting for anybody, but I think if they

33:04

had their druthers based on a business relationship and

33:07

the potential longevity of who

33:10

the champion is, I think they're probably will

33:12

favor Islam, but they ain't

33:15

going to be like, fuck this. If

33:19

Dustin somehow wins because Dustin's a big ass

33:21

star. So I

33:25

think Islam wins, but come on. At the end

33:27

of the day, it is a cool story of

33:29

Dustin wins. Toc, go ahead. Yeah.

33:31

So those voicemails that I left

33:34

were kind of, they didn't age

33:36

that great. I mean, the only

33:38

thing that went great from it

33:41

was that I called Alexander Petosia,

33:43

the, the Toyota Hilux

33:45

of the division. He's gonna get to

33:47

every obstacle and he's gonna get over

33:49

it. And,

33:52

you know, he's gonna actually show up when

33:54

it matters. No matter how long it takes between.

34:00

you taking a ride in that truck. So

34:02

that part was the only thing that I

34:04

feel like aged well from that. But

34:08

a great event to watch, gotta say.

34:10

I really, really enjoyed it. Of course,

34:14

not not a

34:16

good pay-per-view, but it was

34:18

a good show. So that's the most important thing.

34:21

And actually, I just want to chime in on

34:23

the question that you just had. Islam

34:26

is the right choice because he is

34:28

the key to the Middle

34:30

Eastern relations that they have. He is kind

34:32

of the big ticket item that they can

34:35

keep going back to when they want to

34:37

go to, I mean, if

34:39

Saudi Arabia wants a pay-per-view

34:41

at some point, the

34:44

Abu Dhabi card, I mean, Islam

34:46

on the Abu Dhabi card, if you beat

34:48

Dustin in June, is kind of

34:50

obvious. And it's kind of, it has

34:52

to be the thing that they want.

34:55

So I think that is the

34:57

complete correct call that

34:59

it saves Islam. But

35:01

yeah, I really just wanted

35:04

to say that I enjoyed it. And sorry

35:07

for leaving voicemails, Mike. See ya. All

35:11

good, my dude. All good. Yeah,

35:13

the real one was fun. But again, just had

35:15

no buzz. The timing of

35:17

it was terrible. The UFC didn't even seem to

35:19

care. There was no press conference, no nothing. They

35:22

were just like, okay, let's just do this. Dana

35:24

wasn't there. You know,

35:28

some of the people on staff weren't there. I

35:30

don't even know if Hunter Campbell was there. Like,

35:32

it's just, they treated it

35:36

like a throwaway event. No, I mean,

35:38

that's just how they treated it. And

35:41

the fan base kind of looked at it the same way. Like,

35:43

yeah, we could skip this one. June

35:46

1st is way better. There's gonna

35:48

be two pay-per-views in June. That's where

35:50

I'll spend my money. We'll skip this one.

35:54

And most people like just took the night off

35:56

altogether. I mean, they just took the

35:58

night off. But

36:00

those who did watch I think you had

36:02

a pretty good time. He had

36:04

a pretty good time Pantosia is

36:06

just very solid But

36:09

honestly as good as Pantosia is his

36:11

durability might be his best weapon Because

36:14

he's not a human being he's officially

36:16

not human Steve Erseg

36:19

hit him with some fucking

36:21

bombs That would would

36:23

have finished anybody in that division and

36:25

pants just was like, okay Like

36:28

good shot bro, and I'm gonna take you down and put you on

36:30

your back. It's just unbelievable The

36:34

shots that guy took and

36:36

just didn't faze him that

36:39

elbow that like there were a couple of elbows that

36:41

erseg hit him with that Literally

36:44

anybody else's division was going unconscious and

36:46

pants just walked right through and ate

36:48

it like it was Chocolate

36:52

chip pancakes man, dude, just

36:54

so durable. He's so tough and

36:57

he's well rounded and He

36:59

just his fight IQ is great a little

37:02

reckless at times when he needs to be defensively

37:04

sound to some degree what he wants

37:06

to be But the

37:09

way he times takedowns just unbelievable no matter how

37:11

tired he is or how hard he's been hit

37:13

or how bloody is He knows

37:15

just when to shoot for that takedown and he

37:17

gets it every single time. So yeah

37:20

Good solid showing good performance

37:23

Yeah, I mean with the is

37:25

on Dustin thing. I Think

37:27

it's on some more of a key to

37:29

Abu Dhabi than Saudi Arabia. I think Saudi

37:32

Arabia. It doesn't hurt obviously It's it's a

37:34

nice little feather in the cap But

37:36

Saudi just wants to put on big-ass fights. Like

37:39

I don't think they give a shit More

37:41

or less like who's on it? They

37:43

just want they want names like if you call

37:46

it like if turkey you call him turkey right

37:48

now and said hey We had a UFC pay-per-view.

37:50

What fight would you want? They would

37:52

not say is a mock a chef first They would

37:54

say Conor McGregor first. They would Pick

37:57

the star like the biggest stars first and

38:00

try to match those guys up. So

38:04

I don't think he's necessarily the key to Sadi. I

38:07

think the key to Sadi is just

38:11

the bigger names. They'd be like, yeah, we want Connor

38:13

versus Nate three. That's what we want. That's

38:15

what they would strive for, not Islam

38:17

versus Sarman. Abu Dhabi

38:20

looks at things differently. They're more, let's get

38:22

the locals in here. Let's make the fans

38:24

happy. Sadi's just like, let's just blow this

38:26

shit out and just

38:28

put the biggest names we can get on

38:30

this card. And we

38:33

just look at some of the boxing fights they're putting together.

38:37

And I think they would probably do the same with the UFC. So

38:40

yeah. Let's

38:44

go to Riley. Riley,

38:47

hello. I

38:50

got two quick things for you. I

38:52

know we're talking about UFC and

38:54

all, but I just wanted to

38:56

ask you one, did you catch,

38:58

I am going to butcher his

39:01

name, but now Inouye, Inouye, the

39:03

boxer, Naoya Inouye, did you catch

39:05

his performance? He is really,

39:08

really insane. It's

39:10

got to be him, number one pound

39:12

per pounder, Terrence Crawford. And

39:15

then the second thing I was going to ask you is, escape

39:17

in my mind, I feel like an idiot now. Fuck,

39:20

what was I going to say? All

39:23

right, yeah, I don't know what I was going to say on the

39:25

other thing. Oh, I was here. Arnold

39:28

Allen versus Jiga Chikadze got announced over the

39:30

weekend. I feel like that's going to be

39:32

an absolute banger. I know it's not until

39:34

UFC Manchester, but that's going to be a

39:36

dope fight. Just wondering your thoughts on that.

39:39

Thanks, Mike. Yeah,

39:42

Inouye's dude is a

39:45

somper, man. He hit so hard. I

39:48

didn't watch the fight live. I didn't

39:50

need to, because I just saw the highlights. Everyone was

39:52

just sharing the highlights. I pretty

39:54

much saw everything I needed. Inouye gets knocked

39:56

down in the first round, gets knocked down in round two.

40:00

And then just sort of did anyway things

40:02

the rest of the fight and just knocked

40:04

his opponents into another planet dude,

40:06

just is so powerful punches so hard

40:09

and Guy's

40:11

just super fun to watch He's

40:14

a thumper. It's an absolute thumper

40:16

and boxing needs guys like that And

40:19

he just did it again Dude, just

40:21

went on did it again. I don't know I'm first

40:23

giga-scotchic So we've talked about this fight on the

40:25

show for a while It was it was

40:28

reported maybe like six a month month and

40:30

a half ago initially Came

40:32

on the show was asked about it. It said I Believe

40:35

was like a buyer sell pass or fail if I had

40:37

a question. I said I was gonna

40:39

buy that fight Seems

40:42

like that was a direction Everybody that

40:44

I talked to said that that's what they wanted to do.

40:46

We hadn't got to sort of

40:48

the official part of it yet I was told

40:51

early last week that contracts

40:54

were signed and There's

40:56

just a matter of like getting confirmation from everybody

40:58

and then we officially we finally got it The

41:03

big confusion of why it took so long

41:05

to like become official was

41:08

From what I understand There's

41:11

just kind of figuring out the date of this Manchester

41:13

card. I know it just got announced a couple weeks

41:15

ago It's gonna be July 27th, but there were talks

41:17

about doing you July 20th Where

41:20

was gonna happen how was gonna happen?

41:22

Etc and then they landed on July

41:24

27th And

41:26

here we go. So I

41:28

was curious about that too. Do they do it

41:30

July 20th? do

41:33

you try to go up against Jake Paul versus Mike

41:35

Tyson or do you Turn

41:38

it into a marathon of a day And

41:42

just do hey we'll do the event in the afternoon and

41:44

then you guys to watch Paul Tyson after They

41:47

elected to do like the complete opposite of that and

41:49

just book a different date and say we don't

41:52

care about the Manchester Star Times Well, we're

41:54

gonna cater to the American audience, which I'm

41:56

still kind of upset about if

41:59

I'm being honest with you Unless

42:01

they're doing Tom Aspinall versus Jon Jones.

42:04

Honestly, if that's the fight

42:06

they announced, which I would be, it's not

42:08

going to happen. But if they come out

42:10

and Dana does an Instagram thing where he

42:12

yells into this phone and says, Hey,

42:14

guys, main event UFC 304,

42:17

heavyweight title on the line, we're going

42:19

to unify the belts, Jon Jones defending

42:22

his Tom Aspinall, then

42:24

sure, do the late

42:27

start time, totally understand that. But

42:30

if we're getting Leon versus Bewall, and we're

42:32

getting Tom Aspinall versus Curtis Blades, you

42:35

don't need to cater to the American audience

42:37

for that. In fact, the

42:39

American audience would be as

42:42

a whole say, nah, you can give us that

42:44

one in the afternoon. We're okay with that. We'll

42:47

watch it. But we'd rather have the

42:49

rest of the night to do other things. But

42:52

maybe they got something big up their sleeves. I'm not really

42:54

sure. And then there's

42:56

this talk, man, Jon Jones, calling,

42:59

talking about Alex Pereira and possibly fighting

43:02

him, which has created a big stir,

43:04

you know, Jed Michoud has been singing and dancing about

43:06

that one. So,

43:10

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44:22

Let's go to Phoron Sniper. Hey

44:25

Mike, can you hear me? Yeah. Hey, heck

44:27

of a morning. Real quick, I just wanted to ask

44:29

you about the Corey San Hagen, Umar

44:31

and Amarga Meadow fight that was announced. I

44:33

didn't hear you talk about it. I think I hopped in a little

44:36

late, but I just wanted your thoughts

44:38

on it. I'm a little confused from

44:41

the Corey San Hagen side. He's ranked

44:43

number two, so I would assume he should

44:45

be, you know, fighting a

44:47

guy like Davidson Figuero or,

44:49

I mean, I wouldn't say a rematch with

44:51

Petey Yahn, but somebody else that's in that top six,

44:53

top seven. I'm

44:56

a little irritated that he decided to take

44:58

on number 10 Umar and Amarga Meadow, who

45:00

hasn't beaten anybody in the top 10. I'm not hating

45:03

on Umar. That's just what it is. But

45:05

do you think with a win over Umar that

45:07

gets him the title shot? That's the only thing

45:09

that makes sense in my head for why he

45:11

would take this fight. But other than

45:13

that, yeah, that's really all I got for

45:15

you, Mike. Heck of a morning. He

45:18

fucking better get the title shot if he wins this fight.

45:23

But this is like, this just,

45:25

this fight makes perfect sense. It

45:27

makes perfect sense. This is the

45:29

one. This is the one. Everybody, Umar

45:33

is the most hyped guy at 135 that I can

45:36

remember in quite some time. He's

45:38

the dude. Many people feel

45:40

like he's the uncrowned champion.

45:42

He's the guy in waiting. Once

45:45

he gets his title shot, like it's just inevitable that

45:47

he's going to win. So

45:50

you throw him in there with Corey Sandhagen, who could do it all.

45:52

And to me, this

45:56

was absolutely unequivocally the fight to make. I'm

45:58

glad it's amazing. an event. I'm

46:00

glad it's five rounds. Yes,

46:03

I know Abu Dhabi favors Umar a

46:05

little bit more, but Corey don't give

46:07

a shit. He's fine with it. And

46:11

we are going to know full bore for

46:14

the most part. If

46:17

Umar is the dude, if Umar goes out and

46:19

does Corey Sandnegg and what he has done to

46:21

everybody else, there's

46:24

no way you can't leave that fight being

46:26

like, shit, this dude

46:29

is going to beat Sean O'Malley, or this dude

46:31

is going to give him a rob problems, probably beat

46:33

him. But

46:36

we're going to get all those answers to this. We're going to get all

46:39

the answers. We don't need to slow, but

46:41

we don't need to slow burn Umar anymore.

46:43

The people have spoken. We don't need it. We want to

46:45

see him fight the best guys. The

46:48

media, a lot of media members. I

46:52

know Aaron Brauncenter in particular is like, this guy's

46:55

the guy. What are we waiting for? And there's

46:58

people on this website who have Umar very highly

47:00

ranked and all feel like he's

47:03

the uncrowned best man away in the world. I'm

47:06

not there yet. I

47:08

see why they're saying that. I see

47:10

the potential there, but I don't

47:12

view Umar at least right now like

47:14

I did Armin Sarukian. For

47:18

all those years, even before he came into the UFC, like

47:20

I watched Armin Sarukian fight before he got in the

47:22

UFC. I'm like, this guy is going to fight for

47:24

a title and it's probably going to be a champion.

47:28

I don't have that. I'm not quite there yet

47:30

with Umar. I can

47:32

look at Umar and see what he's done and

47:35

be like, this guy's going to be tough to beat. And

47:38

I could look at him and be like, he's probably going

47:40

to fight for about some day. But

47:43

I will have all the answers that I need about

47:46

Umar and his

47:48

immediate future fighting guy, Corey

47:50

Sandhagen, much more than I

47:53

would if he fought Tyler

47:55

Phillips or Rob

47:58

Faunt or... You

48:00

know what I mean? And

48:03

honestly, Corey San Hagen versus Umar

48:05

is a way bigger fight than

48:07

Corey versus Figgy. It

48:10

just is. There's all so much buzz around

48:12

Umar right now. Just so

48:14

much buzz. And I respect the hell

48:16

out of Corey for taking this fight and he

48:20

beats Umar, you have to give him the title shot. You

48:22

have to. That's it. Just give him

48:24

the freaking belt. Give him the title shot. You don't

48:28

have to wait, but he's

48:31

not getting O'Malley now. So you might

48:33

as well get the biggest fight you can get

48:35

in the biggest spot. And

48:38

I think he's got it. So good on

48:40

him. Can't wait

48:42

to see it. Best of luck to both guys. It's

48:45

perfect matchmaking. There's just no other way to go.

48:48

No other way to go. Both

48:51

guys wanted it. Both guys got it. Go ahead.

48:54

Tristan, are you there? Mike, can you hear me? Yeah,

48:56

I got you. Hey,

49:04

I just want to talk a

49:06

little bit about what happened this past Saturday in UFC

49:08

301. A couple

49:11

points here. Steve Urce, that

49:13

guy, I think that guy's going to be

49:15

a champion at some point because watching

49:17

that fight, the way he was able

49:20

to reverse positions every

49:22

time Pantosia had got him down, it

49:26

was incredible. I mean, like, I

49:28

think he was disappointed because he

49:30

didn't throw enough strikes or enough volume. So

49:33

that's why he's kind of disappointing. He let one

49:35

slip away. But I don't think that even matters.

49:37

I think at some point he's going

49:39

to be shivering because had he done

49:42

enough, as far

49:45

as stopping takedowns is concerned? I

49:47

think he would have probably knocked Pantosia out at some

49:49

point. But, you know, good for

49:51

him. I was really impressed with that. The

49:54

second point, Jose

49:56

Aldo looks at his age, 37

49:58

years old. It's

50:00

just unbelievable. He has dedicated himself to

50:02

the boxing and it's just

50:04

been magnificent for him, especially the fact that

50:07

he was able to go to the body and now against

50:09

Jonathan Martinez. As you saw at the end of

50:11

that fight, Martinez was really upset at himself of

50:14

not performing better. So that was

50:17

very interesting. Hopefully he sticks to

50:19

the boxing and he

50:21

gets his paid and everything would be great with

50:23

that. And then my last

50:25

point, as far as mixed-up-back-borb-i was concerned against

50:27

Ells Brenner, I was nervous

50:30

too with what you might. I was

50:32

very, very nervous. It

50:34

was getting kind of dicey there. Brenner

50:37

is a tough dude. That dude is a dog. That dude

50:39

is a problem for anybody in that 155. But

50:43

I'm happy mixed-up-back was able to

50:46

pull out the win. Yes, he

50:48

was going through Ramadan, 25

50:50

days training camp. So no food,

50:52

no water, but he was still able to pull

50:54

through. He should be better the next fight. I

50:56

don't know what you think about that, Mike. Again,

50:59

this 155 division is just so

51:02

stacked. Him,

51:04

mixed-up-back-borb-i, two-front-best

51:06

dudes fighting on Saturday, he's fighting Diego

51:08

Fierro. That guy is going to be a problem.

51:10

The problem is he hasn't gotten the names, which

51:12

is an issue. If he wins that fight against

51:15

Fierro, that's four straight. And

51:17

then Mike Davis, another guy, that

51:19

dude is going to be a problem as well.

51:22

And then again, Ells Brenner, nobody's going to want

51:24

to be in that cage with them. That guy

51:27

keeps fighting, never gives up on

51:29

himself. And that fight kind of,

51:31

the mixed-up-back-borb-i versus Ells Brenner, that

51:33

fight kind of went similar to

51:35

what the Steve Erseg and Pantelzer

51:37

fight as well. It's just

51:39

kind of the same way where

51:41

Erseg and Brenner was able to reverse

51:43

position and get on top, which is incredible. That's

51:46

what makes them so difficult. And

51:48

I mean, listen, man, any

51:51

young fighter that's in the lightweight division,

51:53

that's coming into the UFC, you

51:55

better be absolutely phenomenal because

51:58

this is why that division It's so

52:00

stacked and so hard and why people

52:02

want to go Because

52:05

the note of being

52:08

recognized is just

52:10

top-notch So just your

52:12

thoughts on everything I said Mike. Thanks Thanks

52:16

man, look I think or by You

52:19

if he gave oral by 250 days to prepare.

52:21

I think that fight would have looked exactly the

52:24

same. I really do

52:28

Would look exactly the same because Brenner is a

52:30

fucking animal dude. You can't you can't you

52:32

can't get that guy out of there You just can't He's

52:35

just one of those guys that 155 that's

52:37

just so durable and so tough and durability

52:41

is It's

52:44

a it's an extremely difficult weapon to

52:46

overcome Because or by

52:49

hit him a ton or by crack

52:51

man. I know a lot of people You

52:54

know look at him and they they see the

52:56

hat and they see where he's from and trains

52:59

at alpha male That he's just a big

53:01

takedown artist and all that and yeah, he

53:03

could do that But dude

53:05

made his hay by knocking dudes out. He

53:08

hits like a Mack truck He

53:11

is a powerhouse and he could do it all

53:14

and he's gonna be a problem. He's just a little

53:16

raw He's a little

53:18

raw. He's a little green But

53:20

the the natural abilities are there. I mean,

53:22

they're just certainly there. He looks like a

53:24

terror So yeah,

53:27

we'll see what they do with him next. I wouldn't

53:29

really slow roll him that much. He's

53:31

only 26 Let's try

53:33

to make something out of this guy. I said

53:36

drew Dover like that matchup I know it doesn't

53:38

test the grappling that much I

53:40

understand the hesitation there from that aspect But

53:43

I don't think or buzz gotta try to take your Dover down all

53:45

that much I think he's gonna stand there and try to knock that

53:47

dude out So that's

53:49

a fun-ass fight Where

53:51

else do we at? Joe's day looks great. We'll

53:54

see what he ends up going again,

53:56

I Had some people be like

53:58

well, I kind of wish Jonathan you

54:00

know, showed up to fight. It's

54:02

a ridiculous take. Jonathan showed up to fight.

54:05

And Jose Aldo just Jose Aldo them.

54:07

That's it. I mean, no excuses. I'm

54:10

sure Jonathan won't have any as well. You

54:13

just got outclassed. That's it. And there's

54:15

no shame in being outclassed by Jose

54:18

Aldo. That's why our stunned he

54:20

was the favorite. So

54:22

I was I was happy to take that plus buddy Jose

54:25

Aldo and easy. It just

54:27

felt like it was easy money. And

54:29

the fight went exactly the way I thought it would. And

54:32

then yeah, dude, or say showed he belongs

54:35

showed he's a he's a top five flyweight

54:37

at worst. It's probably gonna

54:39

get another shot to fight for the belt. It's only 28. He's

54:41

going to get his

54:44

chance. The only thing I disagree with

54:46

what you said was that he

54:48

could have knocked out Alexander Pantoja. No,

54:50

he couldn't because nobody can. Nobody

54:54

can knock that man out. Or

54:58

say hit him so hard so

55:00

many times, and it did nothing

55:03

to him. Nothing. And

55:07

toes, your durability is incredible. So

55:10

it's official. Nobody can nobody's knocking

55:12

out Pantoja. If

55:14

you got to take that belt from him, you can have to

55:16

do it by decision. Because you ain't knocking them out. Just

55:19

not going to happen. And you're probably not submitting him either.

55:21

So you need to be able to out

55:24

fight him for 25 minutes and be

55:26

willing to do that. That's the only chance you

55:28

got to beat in the sky 125. Evan, go

55:30

ahead. Hey,

55:33

what's up, man? Yeah, I agree. I agree

55:35

with that Pantoja statement. I

55:37

mean, the only shot that he

55:40

even gave a reaction from is that elbow and it's

55:42

only because of the cut the cut started. I think

55:47

that made him a little nervous to cut the cut started leaking.

55:49

He didn't want the doctor to step

55:51

in. But yeah, Pantoja is a beast, dude.

55:53

That's the only that's

55:55

really the only shot

55:58

that he even even reacted to. I

56:03

scored that fight four rounds to one personally.

56:05

I know a lot of people disagree with

56:07

that. I want to hear what what how

56:09

you scored that I scored it four to

56:11

one with the rounds are definitely close And

56:14

I say definitely had a great performance. He proved

56:16

he proved he belonged up there But yeah, I

56:18

just want to see what your thoughts were on

56:21

this on the scoring of that of that fight

56:24

You scored it for one for pants. Yeah

56:27

Okay so I rewatched

56:30

the fight Watching it

56:32

live. I thought And

56:35

I think it said on the watch party. I thought three

56:37

one pants heading in around five was

56:39

egregious. I Just

56:42

kind of felt that way Having

56:44

rewatched it. I don't feel that way anymore.

56:46

I still has

56:48

not changed the way I've scored the fight.

56:50

I Thought

56:55

There were some very clear rounds in there

57:00

But it was just a tough fight to score

57:02

I thought one and five were clear Pantosha

57:04

rounds I thought

57:07

to me two and four

57:09

were clear earths egg rounds and Three

57:12

was the toss-up. That's that's how I

57:14

viewed it now though on the rewatch Four

57:17

was definitely earth egg. Like there's just no there

57:19

is never an argument You'll be able to make

57:21

that will convince me that Pantosha won the fourth

57:24

round There's just no way you could put that

57:26

out there and haven't make any sense to

57:29

I Can

57:32

see it I could see

57:34

it. It was a it was a closer round on The

57:37

rewatch than it was watching your lives.

57:40

I Could I could see

57:42

people scoring it the second for Pantosha.

57:44

I still gave it to earth egg But

57:48

I could see it three was just that

57:51

was such a weird round to score

57:53

because pants did Pants

57:57

did everything he needed to do But

58:00

the most impactful moments of that round

58:02

came from UrsaG. You mentioned

58:05

the elbow, cutting them open,

58:08

but it's not like, it's

58:10

also not like UrsaG just out landed

58:13

pants like 30 to five, but

58:15

pants took them down and just laid on them for three and a

58:18

half minutes, you know what I mean? So

58:21

basically like the only way you could

58:23

give UrsaG that round after

58:25

rewatching it was that you scored

58:28

the cut so tremendously. You

58:30

value that so much more than all the

58:32

work pants put into that round. And

58:35

I just don't know if that one shot

58:37

was enough to

58:39

do it because yeah, he cut pants

58:41

up, no doubt about it, but

58:44

pants wasn't affected by it

58:46

at all. Outside of like

58:48

blood trickling down his face. It's

58:50

not like the shot hurt him. He wasn't

58:53

wobbly. He didn't fall over.

58:55

He didn't look off balance in any way, shape

58:57

or form. So I just,

59:01

I can't get there with

59:03

UrsaG, giving him

59:05

the third round. I

59:07

like on the watch party, but mostly for the

59:09

gimmick and I wanted positive vibes. And

59:11

I thought, just thought it would be kind of funny that if

59:13

Viddy Siggs won the belt in

59:16

Brazil, what that

59:18

would have meant for the flyway division. I was fascinated by it.

59:20

So I think gimmick wise, I was just like, yeah, 48, 47,

59:22

UrsaG. Gives a shit, but

59:25

on the rewatch, it was 48, 47 pants. And

59:28

I truly believe that UrsaG let

59:32

that fight slip away. I

59:34

think he was doing okay in the fifth round. I

59:36

think he was probably winning the fifth round. And

59:39

then he shot, he shot

59:41

a couple of takedowns in that round. One, he

59:43

got him, pants just kind of

59:46

let him take him down and he got

59:48

on top and pants just swept him and that's

59:50

what him the fight and UrsaG knew that's the reason

59:52

why he lost the fight. I don't know. I

59:55

mean, we don't know. We're not,

59:57

we can't predict what would

59:59

have happened if. He didn't shoot that takedown, but aesthetically,

1:00:03

didn't look great. And Anson's

1:00:05

like, okay, we'll do this all day. You're

1:00:08

right in my home. You're right in my wheelhouse. So yeah,

1:00:14

it's good fight, good performance. Earth's

1:00:17

egg's vex fight's going to be super interesting to

1:00:19

see how he bounces back from that. Cause

1:00:22

I mean, there's no way he didn't learn. He

1:00:26

learned like 10 fights worth of

1:00:28

UFC experience in that one fight. But

1:00:31

let's just see if he uses that to

1:00:33

his advantage or if he's just totally bummed

1:00:35

that in his eyes,

1:00:37

he gave away the belt, which

1:00:40

he feels like he did. So yeah, it

1:00:42

was a good fight. Good showing. I think

1:00:44

he opened up a lot of eyes with that performance. Tog,

1:00:46

take us home. So I'll

1:00:48

keep it really, really brief because I've already been in

1:00:50

here, but I just wanted to say I

1:00:54

really want to see Michelle Pereira and Kamaru

1:00:56

Usman. You can take it however you want.

1:00:58

If you don't, if you don't like it,

1:01:00

that's fine. I just think that

1:01:02

that fight makes sense for both, uh, both

1:01:04

in the shape of Kamaru

1:01:06

Usman, who's only had one fight at middle

1:01:09

weight, but he's probably going to

1:01:11

want to stay there. And

1:01:13

listen, Michelle Pereira is

1:01:15

probably the biggest name with

1:01:18

the lowest rank that you can get. So

1:01:20

I think that's kind of the way to go. And

1:01:23

for Michelle Pereira, of course, beating a former champion

1:01:25

and stuff. I just wanted to hear your thoughts

1:01:27

on that very quickly. Um,

1:01:34

fine. Like

1:01:36

I wouldn't be upset if they booked it, but it's

1:01:38

certainly not the fight I would make. But

1:01:44

I don't know.

1:01:47

I mean, he can't really go wrong. But

1:01:51

I want to see Michelle Pereira versus Fluffy

1:01:53

Hernandez. That's, that's the fight. That's what I

1:01:56

want. That's it. Give

1:01:58

Me that and we're, we're good to go. Bobby.

1:02:00

Disability Fi later on the summer. For.

1:02:02

Years come up quick. When would you do

1:02:05

that? Thing

1:02:09

July thirteenth. Is

1:02:12

a finite on the road. And

1:02:16

fr floppies hand is okay.

1:02:19

This. This rumors or maybe join in Tampa.

1:02:22

Good. Shopper versus

1:02:24

Forty Hernandez on a fight Night card.

1:02:26

Front of people. Sick. Government could

1:02:28

be okay with that. For. The

1:02:30

up the news and sure. When.

1:02:32

Be like my first three or four choices, but.

1:02:38

My. Can be mad at a mechanic?

1:02:40

I'm audience. It's shitty matchmaking and science.

1:02:42

Great opportunity for Michelle Pereira. Goosen.

1:02:46

Dame nothing from beating Michelle Pereira.

1:02:48

so I don't know. Like

1:02:50

how he would view that fight unless you just

1:02:52

like get a cat. Fun! Bizarrely,

1:02:55

We beat the show Pereira he could

1:02:57

go on the bike and demand a

1:03:00

title fight cause.the case. Michelle

1:03:02

would add everything to game. And very

1:03:04

little lose a new spin has. Pretty.

1:03:07

Much nothing began from that site. As

1:03:11

I've just having another middleweight fight, But.

1:03:14

If they made it I'd watch it. I

1:03:16

were good of we are done. Ah thank

1:03:18

you very much. We. Will

1:03:20

be back on

1:03:22

Friday. Yes Friday!

1:03:25

We'll. Do it again. Same time

1:03:27

Rock and Roll Thursday Pcl

1:03:29

will resolve the talk about

1:03:31

everything that's going on in

1:03:33

this crazy world of ours

1:03:35

at his Combat Sports and

1:03:37

Frozen get a lot of

1:03:39

Jon Jones hours for a

1:03:41

questions they. but

1:03:45

it is what is it is

1:03:47

what it is blink any dana

1:03:49

white it's tom brady bros questions

1:03:51

i watch the last night pretty

1:03:53

good time enjoy very much and

1:03:55

will talk about that a much

1:03:57

more on friday so thank you

1:03:59

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