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Network. All

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right. Welcome everyone to another

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episode of This Is It Cinema.

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I'm a fighting the mixed martial

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arts movie podcast. I'm your host

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Alexander Kay Lee. Very, very

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excited to speak guys. I'm joined by

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your usual fantastic co-hosts, the

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jubilant Jed Michoud, the

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excellent E.K.C. Leiden, and

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a special, special guest,

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the gorgeous Guillerme Cruz. Now,

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we got, we got a lot of bit of preamble

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here, but first let me address the fact that

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anyone who listened to last show is probably wondering,

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I thought you guys were

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doing, are you guys doing bruise this week?

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And listen, we were, our plan was to

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do bruise, the Halle Berry Netflix and May

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film also featuring Valentino Schenko, but we forgot.

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This is UFC 301 fight week

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coming up. It's coming up this Saturday, Jose

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Aldo, the king of Rio returning. And

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there just so happens to be a prominent Jose

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Aldo biopic that came out some time ago called

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Mesforce Que Mundo. Guy,

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how's that? How was that, Guy? Yes,

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I'm be blessed. That

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was a good effort. Be blessed.

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It was a little too Italian,

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I think. I'm Mesforce Que Mundo.

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I apologize. Mesforce

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Que Mundo. Thank

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you. Thank you, Guy. I apologize to all

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our Portuguese and Italian listeners, and our English speaking

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listeners at this point, frankly, because I don't think

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I'm doing that that great. Anyone of ears, we

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apologize. No,

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we don't, because we have the best intro music in

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the game. English

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title of this film, Stronger Than The World. I'm

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just going to be referring to it as

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the Aldo movie. be the Aldo Biopic. I'm not

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going to try that Portuguese name again. Of course,

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you're welcome to do so. So yes, the

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timing worked out. We will be doing brews probably

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ASAP, probably next week, but with Jose

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Aldo coming back at UFC 301. We decided

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to call it audible and we got to bring in Gee.

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I mean, how can we complain? The other thing I have

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to mention is we actually, this

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is actually our full disclosure everyone. This

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is our second recording of this episode. We got 45

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minutes into recording a few days

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ago, technical difficulties, lost the

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episode. So if it sounds like some

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of our dialogue is rehashed, I guess what it

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probably is because we literally.

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If it sounds that AK is pronounced

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much faster than you would so well,

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it's because we spent nearly an hour

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talking about this movie. So he just

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got to practice that already. And

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they should have seen how I pronounced it the first time.

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Yeah, it was incredible. I nailed it. I nailed it. A

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plus. A plus. Thank you. It's a lot. Well, they'll never

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know. It's lost the time. The other thing I forgot on

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the first episode was I forgot to mention, I'm

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representing Brzee. You're

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a long way from, you're a long way from home.

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This is Brzee. One day we're going to do those.

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Chad, we're going to do those movies. We're going to

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do more of those movies into the funny. Guess

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what? I'm doing a fast five

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thing this week in UFC 301

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because I was going to make

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that happen. So this is

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Brazil, baby. It's right there on the board.

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UFC 301 is in Rio. Fast

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five is set in Rio. I think, I

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don't think you're the only one having this thought right now this week. I

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think it's you and me actually, but. No,

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the whole world. The whole world.

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So very quick spoiler free synopsis. This is the

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life story of Jose Aldo, guys. It's told in

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kind of a weird way. It

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tracks his life from the, his

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days, the lumber bashing pizza stealing bad boy to

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of course becoming one of the most decorated UFC

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champions and then make fighters of all time. So

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we're going to get to spoil this real quick.

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So we'll let you guys know if for

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some reason you haven't seen this 2016 film or

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planning to he beat, he beats my guy. He

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beats Mark Dominic. He beats Mark Dominic.

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He gets you for a movie that's

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a decade old and based on the

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life that you know. This

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movie

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is not what people expect. I don't want

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to ruin this experience that we had going

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through this very strange telling of

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Joseph Aldo's life. Before we

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get to the meat of the movie itself, Guy, I think

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you've got to give a little background on sort of the

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build to this movie, when

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it got released and why it got

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released when it did. Yeah,

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it was shot in 2015. I'm

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not a movie expert like AK who

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knows everything about the franchise, which is

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the greatest one in

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movie history. So I

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don't know if shooting

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a movie in I think

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six or seven months is fast

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because it was done

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that quickly. But if the plan was to

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release that movie a

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month after Joseph Aldo and

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this Irish guy that he fought

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in the 1715, but then something happened. The

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fight, I don't know if it's the fight of cancer. I never

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got to see that fight. So

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they didn't release the movie. Instead,

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they waited five

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or six more months and

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premiered it three weeks before UFC

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200. When

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Joseph Aldo finally fought and won

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the belt again, I don't

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know why he wasn't the champion anymore. Something

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happened. And that sometimes it was a little.

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And he beat Frankie Edgar to

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win back the title. So

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that's why it took longer than

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expected to release that

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movie. But yeah, it was before

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an iconic victory for the president

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of the King of Rio. Yes,

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June 2016. Just

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before that, that iconic win, as you

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said, over Frankie Edgar and six months

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after the incident, as most Joses. all

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those fans will call it. I

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don't know what I'm talking about. I just like, like he

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said, I don't even remember the big fight that was supposed

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to happen initially even going down. So when did you mention

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it? Jed, what is your, your

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elevator pitch for this film? So

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we're gonna get into it. But this

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is a lifetime movie version

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of Josie Aldo if they

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don't have access to all

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the good fights. I

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get it was a very weird viewing

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experience as this story. I get

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it's Josie Aldo story, but it's also kind

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of not. And really, like, I don't know

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that you could have picked fights I would

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be less interested in. If you

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were like Jed, write the Josie Aldo

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story. I'm not confident I'm putting any

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of these ones in there. But

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they picked all of those ones as the

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only fight. So it's very

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interesting. But yeah, it's weird. Yeah,

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we can tell people like there's no cub swans and

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double knee eight second knockout or the hell that's not

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in there. There's no you're right a favor fight that's

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not in there. It ends with

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the Mark Hamidic fight his very first UFC fight.

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So I think that happened after that. That's not

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in there. It's, it's peculiar. It

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is they don't have your if you know, the

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shed minutes by the real when he became the

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real not the actual life.

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That's when the story should end. Like I

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don't know. I don't know how they botched

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that. So the most interesting

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things happen during the credits when they're showing

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his career. Yeah, they say, Here's what happened

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to Jose after the Mark Hamidic fight, all

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this amazing stuff happened. I'm like,

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man, some of that would have been cool to kind

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of put on a dramatized version of that. But Casey,

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I think that was a

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really interesting thing. I think that's a really interesting

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thing. I think that's a really interesting thing. I

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think that's a really interesting thing. I think that's

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a really interesting thing. I think that's a really

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interesting version of that. But Casey, I don't see

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normally just

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where we go to Casey's first impression. But we have Right

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away, we're spoiling. So the framing of this

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movie is very strange. Josie Aldo has a

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rival throughout the film called

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Fernandinho. They never say his name in the

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movie. That's the only note from the credits.

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He has a rival, very sinister, evil, almost

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mustache-twirling rival who looks kind of like Ian

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McCall. Honestly, a little

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bit. I didn't think of that. A little

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bit. Not bad. When

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I first saw the trailer of this movie, I felt like, oh,

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did they repurpose Ian McCall to be the villain? This would be

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very strange. He has nothing to do with Josie Aldo. As

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it turns out, this Fernandinho is a

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figment of Josie Aldo's

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imagination. He is a symbol of his

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deep inner pain from his

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life turmoil who keeps coming up. It's like

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the evil side of Jose, getting him into trouble,

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distracting him at the worst possible time. So it's

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almost like a little bit of a fight club

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twist. Not exactly. But

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we go to Casey now. First impression,

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Casey, the first time we discussed this,

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you weren't fully aware of what that

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manifestation was supposed to mean. I

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thought, toward

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the beginning, there's a scene where Fernandinho, Fernandinho,

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Fernandinho, Fernandinho,

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Fernandinho, Fernandinho.

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Evil Jose, Evil Aldo, Evil Aldo,

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Evil Aldo, Evil Aldo. I

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couldn't wait to see all the pre-pronunciations that I have

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of you, if you're a Y, if you're going to

9:23

be a Y. Evil Aldo.

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I thought Evil Aldo was just, I thought

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he was real at first. I mean, towards

9:29

the end, I got it. When he had

9:31

the identical facial scar, I was like, what

9:33

a coincidence. Can you

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hold Jose Aldo? Go for

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the full Mario? Yeah,

9:44

okay. It did take me a while. Maybe

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because our version was a little

9:49

bit of a low-res version. I wasn't getting

9:51

enough high-res detail in the

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face. But yeah, it

9:56

was like a weird fight club, I guess, they

9:58

were trying to do. So

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that guy never existed, by the way, right? I

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don't think so. Okay. All

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right. I guess after we watch

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it? I don't know.

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I actually rewatched some of the scenes now that

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I knew the M. Night Shyamalan twist. And I

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was kind of like, oh, okay. That's kind of

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– there's one part where the guy literally goes

10:22

like, don't worry about me, man. It's

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like I don't even exist. And when I was first

10:26

watching it, I was like, what a weird thing to

10:28

say to someone. But I also thought

10:30

– we got kind of this English sub-teletranslation, I

10:32

assume, like, oh, maybe that's just like – it

10:34

didn't translate into English. So I didn't take it

10:37

at face value. And I'm like, oh, no.

10:39

Literally, the guy does not exist. And this was

10:41

just kind of tipping their cap early.

10:44

So the scene where he hit –

10:46

okay, so the whole big car chase

10:48

scene – well, people chasing a car

10:50

on foot. It's like they're

10:52

literally chasing a car running after a

10:55

car. Chasing the car. It is a

10:57

car chase. It is

10:59

a car chase where the car is being chased by people and

11:01

not the other way around. Yeah. And they can't get away from

11:04

them. Yeah.

11:07

So the guy that auto-its, he

11:10

hits his evil version of him or thinks he is. He

11:12

thinks he is. It's a random guy. He's

11:14

manifesting it like Bobby Boucher and the Waterboy.

11:16

This is the man except for he's actually

11:19

just a dude. We

11:21

should explain to people – I mentioned the beginning of

11:23

lumber bashing. This is apparently a thing in the movie.

11:26

M&O. I

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don't know. Jose and his friends drive around the car

11:30

and they pop out a window and literally hit people

11:32

with a piece of lumber. And he does it to

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some guy who he thinks is his evil – is

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Waldo. He – Waldo. Can

11:38

you tell us your favorite childhood stories

11:41

about hitting people with your assholes? Yeah.

11:43

Yeah. Yeah. How – is

11:45

that just the most common? And this was

11:47

the week I do that. It's so fun. Still

11:50

– Why not? Why not? I was

11:52

good. I was going to ask – People do it as you ask? I

11:54

was going to ask them the last

11:56

time you did it, apparently last week.

11:58

Yesterday. I

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mean like I'm not gonna pretend I'm

12:06

not gonna pretend, you know, I wasn't an air-to-well

12:08

kid who like hit mailboxes with

12:10

bats Like that's a thing that kids do

12:13

in America Unclear

12:15

that I don't have me about people do it

12:18

Violent assault like that. I Think

12:20

in the movie they like there and you're supposed to like kind of

12:22

hit the person in the back or on the butt or something And

12:25

just in this one scene he hits a guy buddy And

12:27

it's quite have you ever been hit by

12:29

a two by four from a moving car

12:31

cuz I gotta tell you I don't think

12:34

it matters. They're not going that fast You're

12:38

doing a lot of equivocation right there not

12:40

they're barely going so slow that they can't

12:42

outrun two people chasing them on foot so

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Anyway, yeah, I don't I'll tell

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you what let me hit you with a two by

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four and I'll be totally stationary See how much you

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like it gently on my on the bottom

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on my bottom Maybe

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you raise a good point. She'll be

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mashing One

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problem with the Josie Aldo character and kind

13:05

of differentiating between him and his evil although

13:07

aka Waldo One

13:09

problem is that he doesn't our Josie although does

13:12

not look like Josie although other than they gave

13:14

him a scar But he's a very tall. He's

13:16

pretty tall. I checked the actors six foot

13:18

one. He's considerably tired He's hulking over

13:21

like every one in every scene he's

13:23

in so he's very physically

13:25

intimidating They kind of joke about him being ugly

13:27

throughout the movie, which is weird cuz he looks

13:29

like a model He has these chiseled cheekbones a

13:31

very sharply handsome man And

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that's why this leads us into our first question When

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we first discussed this and we as we normally do in

13:39

the show We have a segment how much an MMA movie

13:41

is this and I still want to ask that but more

13:43

importantly How much of

13:45

a Josie although movie is this this is this

13:48

is supposed to be the Josie although bio pic

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Jed is this a Josie although movie? Uh

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No, like kind of and the it goes

13:57

this goes hand-in-hand with the how MMA is

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the movie question, right? Because we talked about

14:01

the first iteration, we did this and Guy can

14:03

kind of speak to this a little bit more

14:06

about the interpersonal parts of the story.

14:08

But this is a

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Lifetime movie. This is not an

14:12

MMA movie. Like this is my

14:14

lowest MMA score. Like it's I

14:17

guess a blue belt because it is

14:19

like there are actual cage fights in

14:21

it. And it is the direct telling

14:23

of one of the most

14:25

important fighters of all time, his life

14:27

story. But it would

14:30

be honestly the movie probably works

14:32

a little better and has more success with

14:34

what it's trying to accomplish. If

14:37

it's just a story, if

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it's a fictional story entirely, if instead

14:41

of this being Jose Aldo, we call

14:43

the dude, whatever

14:45

the actor's name is Jose Lorenzo,

14:47

just the Jose Lorenzo story. And

14:49

it could be anything other

14:51

than fighting, it could be football or whatever.

14:54

This is really just this is a story

14:57

of personal drama. And I

14:59

guess it's Jose Aldo story. But this

15:01

is not any of the Jose Aldo

15:03

that anyone is familiar with. There's none

15:05

of the happy go lucky joy. Oh,

15:08

it's a bunch of like, it's a

15:10

really heavy film in a lot of

15:12

ways. And so I it's

15:16

a blue belt for MMA. And it doesn't

15:18

feel like a Jose Aldo movie, even though

15:21

I guess as sensibly it is he seems to

15:23

have given it the okay. So I don't know.

15:28

Yeah, I before even watching I sort of pencil

15:30

in well, this must be a black belt in

15:32

a may film. I mean, it's literally about a

15:34

UFC fighter can't be more MMA than this and

15:36

very wrong definitely changed my perception after he what

15:38

was the movie we've watched

15:41

in a weird way. Yeah, right. What was

15:44

what was the what was the reaction

15:46

in Brazil and also from from

15:48

from Jose himself? We

15:51

got a chance to watch it when

15:53

when it put me having real like

15:55

before the French character front and we

15:57

weren't the same. in

16:00

the same room with Josie, all the people watching

16:02

me, he was just crying like

16:04

a child. He was so

16:06

emotional. And he was nice, man. I

16:08

mean, it's been a while, but I

16:10

remember enjoying that. But

16:13

it's not an MMA movie. And I think that's

16:15

good, because if you try to do like a

16:19

pure action movie, MMA movie,

16:21

it's not gonna be like, no. I

16:24

mean, I like that they went with

16:27

the drama of his, in

16:31

life story and all that. But there

16:33

are some weird choices. Some

16:37

of the stories, like him,

16:39

people, hitting people in the face

16:41

with wood and all that, I

16:44

don't really know if that happened. If

16:46

I had to guess, he never did anything

16:48

in his life, but who knows? He's

16:51

going to jail for death, you know. So

16:53

there are a lot of weird parts in this

16:55

movie, but in general, I think

16:57

it was a good choice to

17:00

go with more like a drama movie. But

17:03

yeah, Blue Bells is the right answer, because it's

17:05

not an MMA movie. It's a drama

17:07

movie about an MMA fighter. You don't even focus

17:09

on his actual fighting

17:12

career. Focus on his

17:14

life, his father and all that. So Blue

17:16

Bells, I think, is a good ranking for this movie. Do

17:20

you know if this movie was a hit at all? We're

17:23

talking elite force numbers here. I mean, did

17:25

this thing make any money out there? Any

17:27

Rael? Rael? Yeah,

17:30

yeah. Yeah, it's plural.

17:32

Yeah, yeah. I don't remember

17:34

how much money it did, because I

17:37

mean, Brazilian movies don't

17:39

actually do well in movies in

17:42

Brazil. And it was

17:44

produced by Global, so

17:46

they turned it into four parts to

17:48

be serious. So it

17:51

was, yeah, yeah. I

17:54

mean, I like it here.

17:56

They aired on Global as a

17:58

four-part series team. And

18:00

it was even nominated for an

18:03

M international for our best TDC series.

18:05

Yeah, it didn't win, but it was nominated. Yeah.

18:08

Well, I get to, to, to, to win and

18:10

get nominated a lot for, for TDC as a

18:12

global is such a gigantic

18:14

network and they do like soap

18:16

operas and TDCs and all that

18:18

they, the, the production quality is

18:21

incredible. Uh, so they always get

18:23

nominated and win a lot of prizes and they

18:25

were nominated for this when they turned it into

18:27

a TV series. Yeah. I

18:29

mean, I, I'm guessing it got limited

18:31

financial success because it never, I don't,

18:34

from what I can tell, it never really got

18:36

any American distribution or any American

18:39

rights or anything like that. We've seen Brazilian movies

18:41

over there, successful. The, uh, the clap, the, the

18:43

Bopay movie, I forget what it was called. Um,

18:46

was that the Yeah.

18:48

I got, that was like, that was easy

18:51

to find in America. Yeah. And certain, certain

18:53

movies, but that wasn't a financial hit in

18:55

Brazil. That was, Oh,

18:59

leaked before you went to the movie. So everybody

19:01

decided to do it. So

19:04

just ruined it. It wasn't huge

19:06

to sex, but, but, but it didn't make

19:08

them a lot of money. Yeah. It

19:10

could I

19:12

think it's, and it's not, it's on Brazilian Netflix,

19:15

right? Is it on Brazilian? You can

19:17

just pop that on. Yeah. We, we, we should, we

19:19

should have people know, uh, uh, for Jet Casey and

19:21

myself, we had a little bit of trouble finding this

19:23

movie. Uh, so it is not It was so cute.

19:25

When, when you were watching them, I was, I was

19:27

wondering You can't, you

19:30

can't even rent it. I don't think I don't even

19:32

come out of place to rent it. So someone had

19:34

uploaded to YouTube, fortunately, no English subtitles. Uh,

19:36

and then we just got lucky, I think. And

19:38

there are English subtitles floating out there. So we

19:41

did some wizardry and we're able to put together

19:43

a properly subtitled version for ourselves. Again, the language

19:45

English, probably not on point, but, uh, close enough

19:47

that we can understand what was happening in this

19:49

very strange movie. And Casey, I assume you're kind

19:51

of with us, like not as

19:53

MMA as you hope. Um, what,

19:56

excuse me, in terms of actual MMA, in

19:58

terms of the actual fighting. I was

20:00

actually a bit disappointed in

20:03

the lack of real

20:06

MMA fighting. Yeah, you do see an arm

20:08

bar and a head

20:10

kick and a court date. Showtime

20:12

kick. A Showtime kick and

20:15

a couple of flying roundhouse

20:17

kicks that I think is never done.

20:21

My biggest issue as far as the MMA

20:24

belt ranking is that at

20:26

no point in this film

20:28

did the actor who was

20:30

playing Aldo ever fight

20:32

like Josie Aldo. He

20:34

just didn't, I never, if you're

20:36

going to use a person that's, you know, I can just easy

20:39

like he's active right now. It's not like we're doing

20:41

a fighter in the 1920s or something. We

20:45

know what he looks like. We know how he

20:47

fights and he just never really fought like him.

20:49

He brawled a lot and did a lot of

20:51

like kind of very movie fighting, but

20:54

they didn't do like movie MMA fighting. So

20:57

that was just kind of a letdown. Yeah.

21:01

Let's talk about the performance of the

21:03

main actors as Jen mentioned earlier, Jose

21:05

Loreto. I at least

21:07

you're right. He didn't fight like Aldo, but in a

21:09

broader sense, Casey, did you at least enjoy his fighting?

21:12

Did you enjoy seeing him, you know, get down? I

21:14

don't know if he doesn't, he's a Michael Jai white,

21:16

but compelling stuff there. He

21:20

looked like he looked like an actor fighting,

21:22

you know, to me. No,

21:26

it just it looked like

21:29

movie fighting. That's it. It

21:31

just looked like movie fighting. Guy,

21:33

any previous experience with Jose Loreto, the actor,

21:36

any background on him? Do we know if he's had, is he

21:39

an action guy? Was this his first big break as far as

21:41

you know? And what did you think of his

21:43

fighting? Yeah, he

21:45

does a lot of stuff for first. And

21:48

I've got a few movies here and there,

21:50

but never an actual character like

21:52

they're like a

21:54

fighter, but he

21:57

is, I believe he's a brown belt.

22:00

And so is the Finagino,

22:02

the actor, Homo Renato, is

22:05

also from

22:08

Belo de Giugisso. And the original

22:11

actor that was gonna play Josie

22:13

Aldo was Mauvino Salvador, who's

22:15

a, who's a brown belt

22:18

in Giugisso as well. He's now married to

22:20

Kira Gacy. He's on his way to get

22:22

a black belt under Kira Gacy. But

22:24

they all had this experience as

22:26

Giugisso guys, but never

22:29

as a, like, strike ahead

22:31

to work a lot. And like I said,

22:33

since he wasn't the original fan, when

22:36

he got the part of the movie, they

22:39

started filming like four months later.

22:42

So he didn't have much time

22:44

to, he basically just got

22:46

in crazy shape for the movie. But

22:49

Mauvino Salvador was supposed to be the,

22:54

the actor in the movie for like two

22:56

or three years. But in the end, they just changed

22:58

it. So, Jose Aldo,

23:27

he worked in real life. he

23:30

kinda did, but outside of it. Sure. Yeah,

23:32

real quick, I do wanna ask, the original guy, would he

23:34

have been a better, as far as, you know, a better

23:36

physical fit for Aldo? Is

23:38

he a smaller guy? No, same thing,

23:40

probably. Yeah, yeah, he's smaller than Jose

23:42

Aldo, but I think Jose Aldo, you

23:44

can turn him into

23:47

Josie Aldo, like his face

23:49

more than Mauvino Salvador. Doesn't

23:52

really look like Josie Aldo at all. It

23:55

would be harder to get him there.

23:57

I mean, Jose Aldo is big, if

23:59

you, yeah. next to Joe Di Audeau

24:01

is way bigger but discrepancy

24:04

is not as incredible as

24:06

the extra that Max Lourga-Von is from who is a

24:08

bantalist and they got an extra

24:11

that is 6'5". 6'5?

24:17

Makes sort of lanky guy. Lanky guy.

24:21

Bigger than Joe Di Audeau's movie. I

24:24

honestly I didn't mind the wrong

24:27

sizes of the people because I get

24:29

that just difficult to find actors who

24:31

are going to be who can look

24:33

like featherweight but it was

24:35

just but you have to mimic the style of

24:37

him you just have to. But Max Lourga-Von the

24:39

guy that did the movie he's not even an actor

24:41

he's a journalist slash

24:47

stand-up comedian so I think

24:49

if you go that way

24:51

not using a real actor

24:53

just get some more than more

24:55

than a guy like 6'5 actually. Max

24:58

Lourga-Von. See on

25:00

the exact opposite Casey we're like

25:03

I if you don't have the

25:05

style that's fine like it would

25:07

be better if you could do that but like if you're

25:09

just gonna say no it's not

25:11

gonna work we're gonna do our own thing that we

25:14

think we can pull off better. Which I think is

25:16

true I don't think Lourga could have done Joe Di

25:18

Audeau so we're just gonna go to this but like

25:21

having us like no we talked about

25:23

this the first time I had no

25:25

idea that that dude was supposed to

25:27

be Marcus Cavall had no clue because

25:29

he was physically not him that I

25:31

was just like okay this is just

25:33

a dude they they they kind of

25:35

amalgamated to make a character until we

25:37

started recording and he was like

25:39

yes that's what it was like how that's not

25:42

even close to him. He had

25:44

a blonde streak in his hair. And that's

25:46

my thing was like if you don't really

25:48

like if you know who Joe's at like

25:55

it is it's an easier lower bar

25:58

to clear to get physical resemblance. to

26:01

like a passable level that it is to

26:03

get stylistic fighting resemblance. Like that is a

26:05

harder thing to accomplish for me. And like,

26:09

you're going to hear me say this a lot as

26:11

you talk about this movie, but I thought the retro's

26:13

performance is good. It's not

26:15

Jose Aldo. He's not doing Jose

26:17

Aldo. If you were just talking about

26:19

this character in a film, I think

26:21

he does an admirable job here. If

26:23

you were talking about him being Jose

26:25

Aldo in a biopic, it's

26:27

not. There's none of Jose Aldo's joy here. He

26:31

is clearly a welterweight at least. Like

26:33

it's, so it's a real tough thing

26:35

for like a lot of how the

26:38

movie is written. And like the parts

26:40

of Jose Aldo you are supposed to

26:42

feel of like, oh, you know,

26:44

they're trying to tell the story about a

26:46

young boy who is maybe a little undersized

26:49

and quote unquote ugly and stuff. And it

26:51

kind of doesn't work when you've got a

26:53

large male model in your lead acting role.

26:56

Yeah. He's just kind of generic martial

26:58

arts guy, which is again, disappointing when

27:00

you have a personality like Jose Aldo

27:02

that we all know so well, who's

27:05

personality and charisma transcends language. I mean, this

27:07

is one of the, he rarely speaks English

27:09

in real life and interviews and things like

27:11

that. So that's how charismatic this

27:13

guy is. And he's so connected with the global

27:15

audience. And then just, it's again, no, no disrespect

27:17

to Jose Loretto. Maybe it's how the character is

27:20

written. Cause it is, as, as

27:22

he said, there's a big focus on drama

27:24

and his personal life, his relationship with his,

27:26

uh, his father who's abusive to his mother

27:28

and all that. So it's not really like,

27:31

there's not a lot of laughs to be

27:33

had in this movie. But still issue of

27:35

the movie, actually. There are no, it's a

27:37

joyless film. It's a joyless film. Um, and

27:40

that's, uh, that's, and I understand them, them

27:42

choosing to, to show this other side of

27:44

the Jose Aldo. What

27:46

do you want? We have to put something

27:49

that we haven't seen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Show

27:51

something more. Show, show something of, I think

27:53

of at least, uh, some of what we

27:55

know about just the other, you're showing that

27:57

that's nothing about what we know of the Jose

27:59

Aldo only. this dark side that we don't know

28:01

it and maybe doesn't even exist like him

28:03

smashing people at the face in the

28:06

streets of Manaus. We don't know if that's even

28:08

true so it's crazy. Legitimately

28:10

like I've been thinking about this since we

28:12

did our first recording of this. If

28:15

you just swapped character names and like that

28:17

is it all you did was you didn't

28:19

call him Jose Aldo. I

28:21

am and just like gave me this film on

28:23

a blank slate here watch this MMA movie tell

28:26

me what you think about it. I

28:28

am honestly not sure that I

28:30

could draw the Jose Aldo comparison

28:32

to like oh that movie

28:34

is pretty clearly based on Jose Aldo's real

28:36

life it's it like I don't think I'd

28:38

get there if you just swap character names.

28:41

It is a wild time and not at

28:43

all what I anticipated. Before we

28:45

get to some of the negative, Jed did any

28:47

of the fighters actors slash fighters in

28:49

the movie impress you? Did anyone kind of jump out? There's a

28:51

lot of editing in the movie. We say the movie has a

28:53

lot of cuts. You don't get a

28:55

lot of straightforward fighting which is disappointing but like

28:57

we said this is movies more focused on trauma

28:59

than like the intricacies of a martial arts scene.

29:01

So Jed, any of the actors

29:03

jump out of you? In a positive way. We'll

29:05

get to the negative in a positive way. Like

29:08

again like I actually think all

29:10

of them do a good job acting. There's

29:13

so little fighting that I'm

29:15

not even it's nothing really to judge on

29:17

like who would be the best fighter or

29:19

whatever. There's just so little of that in

29:21

the film. I think everyone fills their role

29:23

mostly pretty well in this movie. It's just

29:26

if you're looking at it through the lens of an

29:29

individual I am familiar with it

29:32

is a wholesale fail but if you're just looking at this

29:34

as a film I think everybody's

29:36

just good. Like I there's nobody

29:38

that jumps off the screen to me that I'm like oh

29:41

that guy's really bringing the film down

29:43

which frankly is the first time I

29:45

can say that on the movie we

29:47

have covered this part. There's at least

29:49

one really bad performance in every movie

29:51

we've talked about this part. I think

29:53

all of these are perfectly fine like the

29:56

guy who does Galvallas I guess the worst

29:59

actor of the group? It's funny. He's

30:01

not even an actor or something. Yeah, and

30:03

it's fine. It's not like a terrible performance.

30:06

He's probably just the worst one. So,

30:09

and, you know, shout out to my boy Pedro Hiso.

30:12

The other actors, they're just elites. They're some of

30:14

the best in Brazil. Some of the best

30:16

actors in the world have to get, like, that's an excuse. They're

30:20

not in that, like... The

30:22

father is fantastic. Because he's mad.

30:25

The quality of acting I was always okay with, it

30:27

was just they weren't given the right way. And

30:29

the words, they weren't given the script. It's

30:32

just wasn't there. And the thing

30:34

about this movie that I kept thinking about as

30:36

I watched it is, this is a professional film.

30:39

Like, this is a professional film. They, my

30:41

people, who are very clearly in the industry,

30:43

have been doing this a long time and

30:45

are succeeding in what they do. If you

30:47

ever watch a Lifetime movie, like, they have

30:50

their tropes and stuff, and it's not for

30:52

everybody. But there's never like, oh, that dude's...

30:54

This was that dude's first day on set.

30:57

Dude has no idea what's going on. Clearly, everyone

30:59

involved in this, I had a lot of issues

31:01

with some parts of it. Editing was real, real

31:03

tough. And I feel like there's probably

31:05

a lot of valid scenes left on the cutting

31:07

floor here. But this

31:09

was a... Up and down thought

31:11

this was a very well put together film

31:14

for what it was

31:17

attempting to accomplish. Casey,

31:19

there was one actor

31:21

who's fighting you were not, you were particularly not

31:23

in love with. So

31:25

go ahead, get it out of your system. We

31:30

talked about this on our first taping, and maybe I

31:32

was already on... It's

31:36

not that taping. It's just... VV,

31:39

VV. It just... For

31:41

as much time as she's been in the gym, I would expect her

31:43

technique to be just a bit better. That's all. I'm

31:46

just saying. She spent a

31:48

lot of time in that gym. You've been in gyms. You've been

31:50

in gyms. There are plenty of people in gyms. You suck and you

31:52

keep coming. No, no, no. She...

31:56

No. It was

31:59

inexcusable. Her D D

32:01

was their coach. She was in there. I don't

32:03

think he would have allowed that I don't think

32:05

it's that long I mean if it was like

32:07

a first week or third Muay Thai class, but

32:09

she was she was getting private She was on

32:11

the bag to work with a coach and like

32:13

that was just and it took

32:15

me out of the moment I'm sorry. Take me out

32:18

her her her proposal defense could use a lot of

32:20

work to you. I don't think Her

32:23

proposal doesn't see better. Let's see the movie. I

32:25

don't Know they are never would have got that

32:27

ring on her. She would have been she would

32:29

have judo's wrote him. Yeah Need

32:32

him in the ribs really, you know

32:34

create space But yeah, we

32:36

didn't see any of that instead She got her

32:39

arm taken and got a ring put on and that's how a

32:41

friend I thought Josie all the pros proposed to his wife again

32:44

I know we talked about this last like I

32:46

need you to ask him this week Is

32:49

that I just be like hey man? I just re-watch

32:51

stronger than the world Is that

32:53

how you actually proposed to your wife because it's

32:55

awesome Yeah, I'm gonna

32:57

ask you that I promise you there. Thanks. Oh my

33:00

god That was really

33:02

interesting. That's just you need

33:04

and if you have enough time get into the lumber

33:06

bashing ask him about That

33:08

doesn't leave you the first question just if you

33:10

have time I think legally Josie

33:13

should not talk about the He

33:17

just served you time apparently like five

33:19

hours or something like that so Okay,

33:22

he's lost no big deal Chad

33:27

you mentioned pretty accurately that there's really no point

33:29

in breaking down Individual fight scenes

33:31

because again, they're really they're really chopped up.

33:33

It's not necessarily bad not necessarily bad And

33:35

there's quite a few of them. We do

33:37

see some montages. We do see some We

33:40

do see a couple of pivotal fights in his

33:42

career We should tell people it kind of goes

33:45

from his regional career to one WEC fight the

33:47

WCT title fight with Mike Brown and then goes

33:49

right from that to the UFC

33:52

title fight his first UFC fight

33:54

with more common in Toronto. So

33:56

there's just you fight. Yeah, Mario

33:58

Biola then it's Mike Thomas

34:00

Brown and then it's hominid and those are the

34:02

only fights in the movie other than the

34:05

loss his loss as well No, yes,

34:07

I guess that's in there cuz it's like real

34:09

short though because that's mostly dealing with the other

34:11

part of it So

34:13

there's that the the Azeveda law If

34:16

you lose one more you out no

34:19

way like out of what like what out of

34:24

Like honestly the biggest fight in the

34:26

movie is the restaurant fight like that's

34:29

the Talk about that. That

34:31

is that is the fight of the movie that

34:33

is like the longest Which

34:37

I gotta tell you man fundamentally you're

34:39

making a Josie Aldo movie and that

34:41

the fight you are gonna focus the

34:43

most In the film is

34:46

a restaurant brawl is an

34:48

insane choice But it's

34:50

an off I so

34:52

it's so Brazilian Big

34:58

shout out to to fake Mark hominik who

35:00

was these kind of like the final boss

35:02

of this movie It's presented in a very

35:05

strange way It is

35:07

the very first UFC fight of Josie's

35:09

career is the end of this movie

35:12

We kind of said this earlier. They kind of talked

35:14

about the rest everything that happened the OC in the

35:16

credits strange choice but it's fine this is an origin

35:18

story and The fight

35:20

for the most part is pretty faithful to what happened at

35:22

UC 129 Josie

35:24

wins the first four rounds pretty comfortably

35:27

and then there's a very dramatic fifth round with Mark hominik

35:29

on top 21 Oh, by the way, build us

35:31

21 to know in this movie Undefeated

35:34

fighters we all remember. I think he was actually 20

35:37

20 and 9 in real life or something But

35:40

he's beating up although from from half guard

35:42

But in the movie remember this in real

35:44

life clear round for hominik in the movie

35:46

It's like he's battering and

35:49

bloodying Josie his corner

35:51

is like shouting for him like get up Like

35:53

you gotta survive those you guys survived the round

35:56

he's having flashbacks or his relationship with

35:58

his father and his his

36:00

wife, who he loves, or his fiance at this point, I

36:02

guess. He's the flashback of the scar.

36:05

He's a scarred, a dualdo,

36:07

Jose Waldo, a flashback on him.

36:10

It's very, very dramatic. Hey, listen, maybe that was

36:12

what was going through Aldo's mind in that actual

36:14

fight. We don't know. Maybe we were in Homelike.

36:17

You forgot that I was a part of it. I

36:19

was around five years. Homelike, what did you think was

36:22

going through Aldo's mind? Well, I'll tell you, I was

36:24

looking in his eyes. I could see his whole life

36:26

flashing in there. It was crazy. You

36:28

also forgot that they set it up

36:30

in the writing that his dad dies right

36:33

before the fight. We don't know that until

36:35

after. Not what happens in real life. That's

36:37

how it's edited together. It's edited like Data

36:39

is in the back. It's like,

36:42

gets a call that Jose's father dies.

36:44

Okay, well, we're going to go walk

36:46

out. It's such a weird thing. We

36:51

don't know until after that that's the call he received. We

36:53

know there's some dramatic talk before. Then after the fight's over,

36:55

they kind of laugh at that. What other call did you

36:57

think he was getting at that point if you were watching?

36:59

I don't know. Maybe he had a hearing for his lumber

37:01

bashing. I don't know. Sure. I got a little like Joe.

37:04

I don't know what's going on. When I saw him

37:06

getting a call, I was like, oh, Jose's father's died.

37:08

That's very clearly because that's what the rest of the

37:10

film had been setting up. And he,

37:12

I believe, is not even real. Yeah,

37:15

and the reaction is not even real. He

37:17

had passed but well before. Like a year

37:19

before, right? Like a year. Like

37:22

a year. Like three months after

37:24

he followed Graham Faber. So

37:27

after that, a few months

37:29

later, he fought Manny Gamburian. And then he

37:31

fought in the UFC. So it was

37:33

a while. I

37:35

don't know why he decided to

37:38

just kill his father before he's

37:40

UFC debuting. Instead of like telling

37:42

the real story. It's, again,

37:44

the choices made in this movie are

37:46

so... Their choices.

37:49

Their choices. Yeah, they definitely appear a

37:51

lot. Some

37:54

of his biggest moments, again, relegated to montage.

37:57

If some of his biggest moments, you don't see in

37:59

the montage. He's the most famous knocker

38:01

of Cub Swanson. They'd even montage that. It wasn't

38:03

in there at all, right? I

38:05

was waiting for it. I was waiting for the

38:08

Chad Mendez knee. I was waiting for him to go into the crowd,

38:10

at least in the montage. Nothing. They

38:12

should have had the Mark Hamid fight. I

38:15

don't get it. They

38:17

should have taken the ending of the Mendez fight,

38:19

the first Mendez fight, and just the ending of

38:21

the Hamid fight. Like, I think that would have made

38:23

a more dramatic moment. I mean, I mean,

38:25

we all would have been rolling our eyes. They just shouldn't have had

38:27

the Mark Hamid fight. Who gives a shit about it? Yeah,

38:30

I think it's a UFC debut. We talked about

38:32

this the first time we did this. They

38:35

directly bring in the WEC as a

38:37

thing, which is really weird and confusing

38:39

for this sort of a story. Because

38:42

you're already taking liberties. You just be like, yeah,

38:44

UFC is the whole time. No one would actually

38:46

have a major issue with that. It's like, oh,

38:48

we beat Mike Thomas Brown for the World Championship.

38:51

Just don't even have to call it the UFC

38:53

belt. Like, just the that. If

38:57

I could change one thing. The category we have and

38:59

I'm jumping us right into it, AK. I

39:01

would change the whole movie. Like,

39:04

I think this movie works. I think this movie works.

39:06

It is fine. I

39:09

just don't like the fundamental decisions

39:11

of what parts of his fight

39:13

career to cover. Because this movie

39:15

should end with the Chad Mendez

39:17

KO. It should have the Cub Swanson

39:19

flying knee. And like, probably

39:22

the Uriah Faber fight over Mike

39:24

Thomas Brown. Like, you just run those as

39:26

the three fights that you cover. And

39:29

you could do all the other storytelling aspects to

39:32

it. But just like, it's the weirdest

39:34

thing in the world to me to end on the

39:36

Mark Hamidic fight. Like, if

39:39

I could only change a single thing, end

39:41

on Chad Mendez. There's no reason for us

39:43

to be doing the Mark Hamidic fight. Other

39:46

than they're clearly trying to shoehorn in the

39:48

dead father angle. But it's not even true.

39:51

You're doing that. Just do Mannequin Burian. Who

39:53

cares? That'll be

39:55

doing a John Jones movie and it ends on the OSP. I'm

40:00

gonna fight. I'm gonna fight.

40:04

I'm gonna fight. John came

40:06

back and won the belt. Move

40:09

the credits roll. Weird as shit, man.

40:12

And look, if you're

40:14

gonna meld it, I would again, tack the Chad Mendez

40:16

ending on to the Mark comedy fight. But

40:18

then he jumps into the Toronto crowd. I don't know.

40:21

It wouldn't have made it. You know what? You actually can't

40:23

do that. Just don't even call it a Toronto crowd.

40:25

It's a Brazilian dude with Brazilian fight shorts. I

40:29

don't know what we're doing. The whole

40:31

Canadian angle on it too is really

40:33

like, we must be in Canada because

40:35

people are holding flags. You

40:37

just don't have to say that part of it. You

40:39

could just leave without it. It would be fine. I

40:42

didn't have a problem with it. I didn't have a problem

40:44

with it. Love it. We

40:47

should also... Yeah, they did want to make a

40:49

big deal of it. Well, I guess because they

40:51

wanted to tie it to a real life massive

40:53

event, UFC 129, I think at the time was

40:55

the attendance record. This was before Ronda and Australia,

40:57

I think. So this

40:59

one's like they're UFC's attendance record. They want to

41:01

make it like a super big deal. But again,

41:03

they could have said it anywhere. They could have

41:05

said it anywhere. The writers were kind of trying

41:07

to set it up like, this is the biggest

41:09

deal of its group because there's so many people

41:11

there. But they

41:13

don't have the budget to kind of show that crowd

41:16

and make it feel that big. There was stock footage.

41:18

There was stock footage from the actual events. Bruce

41:21

Buffer, they did get to refill. There was definitely a new

41:23

– they got Bruce Buffer to film a new

41:26

intro to the fight. I mean, I guess he's probably just

41:28

reading the same stuff he read that night. But

41:30

they filmed it so it felt very real in the movie.

41:34

That kills me though because if they

41:36

could get Bruce Buffer, they could get

41:38

him. They could have

41:40

gotten a Canadian. They

41:42

could have gotten Goldie, but

41:45

that's whatever. It

41:47

was so dissociating to watch Mike,

41:49

Thomas Brown, and Mark Hahnik be

41:51

played by very clearly kind of

41:53

overweight Brazilian actors. Why?

41:56

You can't – just go to the

41:58

beach. There's some Canadian. and on vacation

42:01

just having seven men get his ass beat.

42:03

This shouldn't be that hard. In

42:06

a film that is so very clearly

42:08

professionally done from front to back,

42:11

they just punted on

42:13

this and it was so distracting to

42:15

me. Yes,

42:17

Mark Hamman, clearly not a

42:19

Canadian. I'm looking at

42:21

his profile now, played by real fighter,

42:23

Durley Brunstrope, a light heavyweight who

42:26

has fought, and I guess sometimes heavyweight,

42:28

who has fought the likes of Maxime

42:31

Grishin, Bruno Capilosa, Geronimo Dossanto. Yeah, but

42:33

that's fine because Jose Lanto is already

42:35

huge anyway. And

42:37

of course he has fought Parker Porter.

42:39

So six degrees of Parker Porter strikes again

42:41

guys. That means,

42:43

seriously, in this world, Parker Porter, I guess, could have fought

42:46

Jose Aldo in this movie? I don't know. Honestly,

42:50

that would have been better.

42:52

This heavyweight Parker Porter, I

42:55

would have, if you're going to go, if you're

42:57

just going to fake it, might as well just, yeah.

43:00

Waycasses don't exist in this movie world.

43:02

It's just we're doing it. The

43:05

whole movie's extreme, really. But

43:08

how is this the fight you end

43:10

on? I don't know. I don't

43:12

know. Fundamentally, from a basic story, if

43:14

there was no other good fights and

43:16

you're just like, okay, well, you

43:19

know, the Korean zombie fight ends weirdly and

43:21

we don't want to end there. And, you

43:23

know, Kenny Florian sort of a whatever decision.

43:25

Even if you want to go with like

43:27

a war, go through with the

43:29

second Chad Mendez fight. There

43:31

you go. Just

43:33

give him that. I mean, combined fights.

43:35

I don't know. Sure. Mix them

43:38

together. In the

43:40

history of cinematic MMA

43:42

fights and finishes, Jose

43:45

Aldo cheating, ning

43:47

Chad Mendez in the face and jumping

43:49

into the crowd to be mobbed by

43:51

the city of Rio is like

43:54

top five all time. And you're just

43:56

like, don't need it. thing

44:00

you could have. There's

44:02

not another fighter who has a

44:05

better moment in to fight on

44:07

than Jose and they didn't do

44:09

it. The

44:12

greatest championship celebration we may have ever seen.

44:16

The only

46:00

I got to read the scores here. 48, 46, real score. 49,

46:02

46, real score. And

46:04

a very suspect, considering let's remember, Mark

46:07

Haminec dominated the fifth round. A

46:10

very suspect. Almost killed him in the

46:12

movie. 50,

46:14

43 scorecard for Aldo. That's done. You didn't

46:17

even get to round five. You didn't even get to round

46:19

five. He might have gotten 10-8'd the other way. 50,

46:21

43? I don't know how to use

46:23

it. So very controversial. Couple

46:26

of 10-8's in those early rounds. Yeah, I'm not

46:28

sure why they tweaked that. It was like 11-8

46:30

to compensate their problem. Oh,

46:33

OK. Oh, 11. 11-8

46:35

scores. What so much? He beat him

46:37

so much. I gave him an 11. I'm

46:40

pretty sure in real life it was another 48, 46, or 49, 46. I

46:44

don't know why they made that change. Very

46:46

random. Again, I have a few people who have no

46:48

idea how to score fights. I've been to a- More

46:50

Canada. More Canada. You don't know how to do it

46:52

in a better season, so it's fine. I've been to

46:54

an MMA event once, and I thought

46:57

that Georgia's score fight was

47:00

like an eighth and

47:02

three. Like, 15 in the end. I

47:05

love that. He's totally giving away an eighth

47:07

through your score. OK, he's probably saying 15

47:09

times, 15. And

47:12

he just beat up two. That's a big one.

47:14

Two, two. Jed,

47:16

I've seen your live blog. I've seen you throw

47:18

some pretty wild scores. There's also 15 twos in

47:20

there next time. I want to see. I'll throw

47:23

an eight-three for sure. Eight-three. Yeah.

47:26

It's an eight-three, where I just felt like- Again,

47:29

yeah, it's really hard to evaluate. We normally like to do

47:31

a tier list. It's really kind of hard to evaluate who

47:33

can actually fight in this movie. I did do it anyway.

47:35

You guys can dispute it. Casey, I

47:37

know you will. So very quickly, I thought the S tier, the

47:40

best guys, obviously Aldo and Evil Aldo, neck

47:42

and neck. Aldo does beat Evil Aldo in

47:44

the film at one point, but A

47:47

tier. I actually thought I liked fake Mark Haminec. I

47:49

thought he's A tier fighter. Casey, I'm

47:51

sorry. I actually thought I liked Vivi at first. I guess

47:53

I'm wrong. I need to reconfigure. I had her as a

47:55

C tier fighter. I guess she belonged to C tier. C

47:58

tier, fake Mike Brown. I

48:00

don't know. I wasn't impressed. And DTR,

48:02

I slept in the juice bar. One of the

48:04

guys who's fighting the juice bar because it's pretty

48:06

good like takedown. They get like slammed. Although

48:09

at one point, I'm like, we

48:11

can work with this here. We can work with this here. So I don't know if

48:13

I left anyone off the list, or if

48:15

I overrated anyone, maybe VV. We'll

48:17

see. Best

48:20

fighting related quote, guys. Let's get to the quotes now.

48:22

First of all, do they say the name of the

48:24

movie? No, they don't. But we had some dispute about

48:26

this, right, guys? We have some confusion. Because

48:30

the English language name of the

48:32

film is Stronger Than The World.

48:35

Guy, how accurate is that translation?

48:37

Is that about right? Is that about how you would do

48:39

it? I'm pretty sure that's correct. Okay, Stronger

48:42

Than The World. But in the movie, they come close

48:44

to saying it. At the end, they go, Jose

48:46

Aldo became the strongest boy in the world.

48:48

You're the strongest boy in the world. So

48:50

we're like, does that count as saying the

48:53

name of the movie? Probably not, right? It

48:55

makes no sense. Okay. I

48:58

mean, it's kind of adorable.

49:01

He's the strongest boy in the world. It's kind of

49:03

adorable. No, I'll be honest. And

49:06

you know what? We needed more for adorable Jose Aldo in

49:08

this movie. Like not even joking. There's none. He

49:10

is- There's zero parts of it. We've all seen

49:12

the video of him buying a suit. That's adorable

49:14

Aldo. That is adorable Aldo. There is no hint

49:17

of that in this movie. How

49:19

is there not a montage when he's

49:21

like rising up the ranks of like

49:24

him flying, meeting somebody and going and

49:26

partying and then getting like, buying a suit

49:28

like it's just- No. Missed

49:30

out. Actually, that was a giant part of the

49:33

movie I really didn't like too is

49:35

the fact that he went- I suppose

49:37

he went from stealing pizza to,

49:39

you know, UFC champ. But I

49:42

didn't see that kind of- if they're trying to

49:44

sell rags to Rich's story, there was no- they

49:46

didn't sell the riches, you know, the suit and

49:48

everything. Well, it is the UFC, so you know.

49:51

Well- But I'm- Now,

49:56

I'm gonna actually go to you first because

49:58

I don't know- if any of

50:00

the dialogue in the movie stood out in Portuguese like

50:02

if there's because I imagine there's stuff they had to

50:04

simplify for English I don't know if you remember anything

50:06

the movie that jumped out or is that what was

50:08

the slogan for the movie might have been was

50:11

there any any cool phrase that again they threw in

50:14

there that they just couldn't translate properly anything jump out

50:16

of you dialogue wise here okay

50:21

I was hoping because instead

50:25

of like getting quotes

50:28

from the movie because I

50:30

thought you guys would I

50:32

went back and got the

50:34

quotes from although himself after watching

50:36

the movie what what he said about

50:38

the movie and this is what he

50:40

said I don't know if we agree although

50:43

said and I quote I think

50:45

that being a 5% or not

50:47

this movie will move you because

50:49

it's an emotional story it's

50:51

impossible not to cry it's a

50:53

beautiful movie do you agree with

50:55

your daughter I disagree with the crying

50:58

part but

51:01

I do think it's a fine film yeah it's

51:03

kind of a beautiful movie I don't

51:06

can't can I talk about the

51:08

father story now of course please

51:10

please because that was to me

51:12

another giant issue I just didn't

51:14

get they show his father beat the crap

51:17

out of his mom but

51:19

they showed no kind of redemption

51:21

but yeah although was like really

51:23

sad his dad died a year

51:25

before the fight or

51:27

I don't know complexity of the human

51:30

spirit Casey but but

51:32

I don't as a viewer why do I

51:34

care like oh this guy that beats the

51:36

crap out of a Josie always mom is

51:38

dead now and you

51:41

know it's his father I don't care but

51:43

you can recognize that he still cares about

51:45

why does Josie Auto care about the guy

51:47

why does he care about his mom to

51:50

the deep complexities of the relationships between fathers

51:52

and sons and

51:59

the role domestic violence place to screw

52:01

that up. But there's a whole lot

52:04

of films and literature and people out

52:06

there who still love their parents despite

52:08

being the victims of domestic abuse. We

52:10

know Mike. Yeah, we should we

52:12

should be clear in this movie. There is no so

52:14

they reconcile because his father has some sort of indeterminate

52:17

illness and falls sick and dies. And that's when you

52:19

know, he essentially like, well, there's our last chance to

52:21

sort of forgive each other. So he

52:23

forgives his father, but his father never

52:25

really apologizes. He never really, like takes

52:27

responsibility for what he did. No, I

52:29

don't his whole his whole thing is like,

52:31

well, I guess I did a good job by

52:33

chasing you away. And I'm like, that's not how

52:36

that works. You don't get to own that you

52:38

don't get to say well, I improved my child's

52:40

life by being a horrible person. And

52:42

if there's no reconciliation, there's

52:44

no actual reconciliation. Here's the

52:46

thing I agree that like, sure, that's not

52:49

how that is absolutely how like things

52:51

like this happen every day in

52:53

the real world. I don't know what

52:55

the round people have this boy. I

52:57

don't know. I kind of respected the

52:59

fact that this was like a pretty

53:01

unflinching look at this aspect of life.

53:03

Like, oh, yeah, like, again, key

53:06

another thing to ask Jose about at the

53:08

presser if you want to bring that up. I'm not asking you.

53:15

I mean, we can finally get some answers.

53:17

Get some closure. Because

53:21

moment so

53:23

honestly, like it was just me. I know, I guess

53:26

everyone's degree of what's acceptable.

53:30

And that was just to me like, unacceptable.

53:33

As a viewer, like he beat like they show

53:36

scenes of them beating the crap out of his

53:38

mom. And then like, later on, like, dad, I

53:40

don't know, that's just

53:42

unacceptable. As a viewer, like that's

53:44

just it's a line is too much. I guess

53:46

everyone I know I get we're different, but it's

53:49

unsatisfying. It's unsatisfying. I just I couldn't

53:53

and another quote. I mean, unless I missed

53:55

unless I missed a scene in the movie

53:57

or you did not you did not. Okay,

54:00

Okay. I thought. The

54:04

director, Alphonse Boyan, set his suppotation at

54:06

the time for a second movie because

54:09

they were hopeful that he would fight

54:11

Connor again. But

54:13

that never happened. Oh no. And

54:16

they were hopeful that they will get the rematch and

54:18

win the rematch, then stronger than

54:20

they were too or something. Yeah. And

54:22

you know what? He's still stronger than

54:24

the world. Yeah. And he's

54:26

still waiting because he never directed another movie

54:29

after this. I'm sorry. I see he

54:31

did TV. I see he did TV.

54:33

I'm just going by internet credit. I'm not familiar. I think this

54:35

was the last movie. And

54:39

before that he had done a movie with like Anthony

54:41

Hopkins. He directed an American film like Anthony Hopkins. So

54:43

his career is on the up and up. And

54:46

then it looks like it's only TV after. Never did another

54:48

movie again. He's you know why? He's

54:51

waiting. He's got the screen. He's waiting for

54:53

him to. He'll have the last laugh when Aldo finally

54:55

fights McGregor again. Alphonse Boyan

54:57

will have the last laugh. And he'll be like, ah,

54:59

wow. That's why he

55:01

didn't need to do any movies in between. I

55:04

think he did one movie. No, one movie. One

55:07

movie. One movie. A

55:10

short movie, a TV series, but

55:12

one movie. Galleria

55:14

Futuro. I've never seen that in my life.

55:17

So yeah. Okay. Based

55:19

on this movie, Aldo will get

55:21

a rematch of Conor McGregor. They will shoot

55:23

the sequel and the sequel will end with

55:26

the Jonathan Martinez fight. Yeah.

55:31

Yeah. Just ask that. Like

55:33

there's a huge story to be told in

55:35

the future, just like in the Rocky movie.

55:38

They have a lot of movies. I think that they

55:40

get my bail back again. It

55:43

was before the Frank Gallagher

55:45

women. See, 200. I

55:48

think getting my bail back, this start would

55:50

be awesome. I think would be a

55:52

great start with me beating Conor and getting the

55:55

bail back. I

55:57

would love to make like five Aldo movies. I'm

56:00

sad we're not living in the world where we got the

56:02

Aldo franchise. I don't we

56:05

don't need an Aldo franchise. I just think

56:07

we now have a real path to write

56:09

the good Jose Aldo movie and

56:11

make it. Because like I could go over

56:13

with American sports fans really easy. You just

56:16

do that. Jed, I

56:18

think you and I have the same best quote

56:20

I'm assuming. And again, I really need to run

56:22

the Spiky because I just didn't understand. If you

56:24

guys don't know what my best quote is going

56:26

to be, we're not friends. I assuming it's involving

56:28

a word, one of your favorite insults. Sure.

56:31

Taunt, my favorite taunt. There's

56:33

a what was this character? He's like the janitor.

56:35

What was he? The Sabara. Sabara. He was like

56:37

the he works at the gym. He's a guy

56:40

who works. Custodial services. Custodial.

56:42

And a very wise man, clearly like a wise

56:45

man who's lived a life. And he's a pretty

56:47

clumsy guy in boxing films like the janitor. Like

56:50

boxing. Janitor. And

56:53

Jed, from the first

56:55

day, what is his advice to Jose Aldo and

56:57

the other young fighters? I

56:59

mean, this is, it's advice to Jose Aldo

57:02

and the other young fighters, but really this

57:04

is life advice, advice you can take with

57:06

you. And I certainly try to live by

57:08

every day. It's annihilate the

57:10

playboys. You have to annihilate the playboys.

57:12

What? Is it easily the best

57:14

quote in this movie? I have one other quote

57:17

that I like, but I, this is

57:19

the best quote of all time. The best

57:21

quote in any of the movies we've had means

57:23

annihilate the playboys. Uh-huh. It's

57:25

a lifestyle, okay? If you don't

57:28

know, better ask somebody. And

57:30

I think, yeah, I think for

57:32

UFC fans, I remember hearing

57:34

that during the Anderson, Silva, Damien Mya

57:36

fight, right? You're just a now playboy.

57:39

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was the

57:41

best insult to fight. Like I said,

57:43

if you don't know what that means,

57:46

just ask Fajon. If

57:48

you ask Fajon, he'll tell you that. Oh

57:51

yeah. But what does

57:53

this have to do with Aldo? Like I was,

57:55

I was familiar with playboys being a very derogatory.

57:57

I was just saying, do you not know the

57:59

derivation of like. Playboy being a derogatory

58:01

thing. But what did that do with

58:03

this movie though? With this story? Because

58:06

it's also becoming from poor family, from

58:08

monologues, coming to real and just be

58:10

the grandma that reached people here. A.K.

58:15

I got it for you. You're Canadian. You

58:19

love hockey by definition. Do

58:21

you remember in those seminal franchises, The

58:24

Mighty Ducks, when they were

58:26

just called Adam Banks' Cake Eater? It's

58:28

that. It's just

58:31

telling you that you've got to annihilate the cake

58:33

eaters. Annihilate the Playboy cake eaters. That's not clearing

58:36

things up for me. I'm more confused now

58:38

than I'm working for. Eating

58:41

cake is a sin. Just like being

58:43

a Playboy is a sin. You're too

58:45

fancy. Guy, is the

58:47

English translation, does that cover the same idea? Did

58:50

they kind of get it right? Yeah.

58:53

Same idea? Okay. I mean, having won the

58:55

movie with English subtitles, but based

58:58

on that, that phrase is correct.

59:01

And that's something that you have to live

59:03

by. Always be the Playboy.

59:06

What if I ever get a tattoo? That might be it. What

59:11

if I am a Playboy? Then I'm in

59:13

trouble. No, then like

59:16

Jose Aldo, you should highlight that version

59:18

of yourself. AKA,

59:21

if you come to Brazil, you're never going to be a Playboy.

59:23

You're going to be a gringo. Okay.

59:25

That's good. I think. I've

59:27

heard that's a good thing. And we have, we're,

59:30

we're, usually we have cool

59:32

with gringos, so you'll be fine. Usually.

59:35

I heard it usually in there. Casey, did

59:38

that line resonate with you right away or were you

59:40

as confused as I was? Are you going to play

59:42

it, Casey? No, no, no,

59:44

no, no. Gringo, gringo. Oh,

59:48

the line stick did stick out. I remember hearing that. I

59:50

was like, oh, I was like, Anderson Silva, Anderson Silva. That's

59:52

why he made me when he said that. I

59:56

don't know. I don't know when this was from, I think

59:58

it was DB that said it, He said, hate

1:00:00

is fuel for the engine. I

1:00:03

wrote that down. That was, that was D.D. So.

1:00:05

Yeah, it was D.V. Um, Oh, what

1:00:08

do you think about the, the performance of D.D.

1:00:10

Maybe, uh, in the movie

1:00:12

and I thought there. Which one's

1:00:14

second is D.D. It's not D.D. It's

1:00:16

D.D. Oh, sorry. Sorry. D.D. Um,

1:00:19

D.D. Andre Paternary.

1:00:22

Yeah. Um, uh,

1:00:26

I thought that should have been a bigger

1:00:28

role. I felt like it was, I don't

1:00:31

know. Did, did, did, did, did, did they pay,

1:00:33

does he, in reality, did he play a bigger,

1:00:36

uh, bigger, uh, more important in

1:00:39

Otto's life than the movie did? I feel

1:00:41

he did. Yeah. Yeah. I like to

1:00:43

talk to John Allen. Yeah. That, that,

1:00:46

I guess that's kind of the bigger issue in the movie. The

1:00:48

movie kind of treat him as a father, but then, and

1:00:50

then it, when it ends, he's, he

1:00:53

cares more about his real father and then his actual

1:00:55

figure of a father. And I thought, yes,

1:00:58

he does care more about his dead real

1:01:00

father than his still alive coach. That's

1:01:03

an insane take. It's totally justified to

1:01:05

be upset about your true death. I

1:01:07

don't think, no, I don't think so.

1:01:09

I don't think so. I just

1:01:11

don't think so. If, if I had a father like that,

1:01:13

no, same take,

1:01:18

I just don't, I just don't, okay. And now

1:01:20

we're talking to get something outside the movie. I

1:01:22

just don't, biological, because I was just biological father,

1:01:24

a bad person. And I just don't think

1:01:27

he, he, he would care about that. And

1:01:29

that's, and that's, and I guess that's just a big,

1:01:31

a wall I hit in the movie. Why I just,

1:01:34

we get later, I mean, I would get a spoiler,

1:01:36

like why I can't recommend the movie because I just

1:01:38

did not, I was like, I was, I was kind

1:01:40

of like offended by it. Yeah. I

1:01:42

know. And I, I see what Casey is

1:01:44

saying because it's not just about, I, Jen, I see

1:01:47

the point you're saying too, in a broader sense, but

1:01:49

in the movie, the way that the relationship between Jose

1:01:51

and his, his actual father in the movie is not

1:01:53

presented as being particularly, it's actually not complicated. His father

1:01:55

just seems like a total piece of shit. And

1:01:58

I get, I get, I get your, your, your, your. Dad

1:02:00

getting sick. Yeah. Okay, my shit at dad

1:02:02

getting sick. It's yeah. Yeah, they have to

1:02:04

show at least some some Connection

1:02:07

beyond just like oh his whole crush with his

1:02:09

father's whore is so so so horrible Meanwhile today

1:02:11

is this very positive influence? Yeah, like they just

1:02:13

didn't they just didn't show enough of the we

1:02:15

do see a lot of The father began. It's

1:02:18

all bad. It's all bad. He's almost too much.

1:02:20

It's not a good actor good actor It's not

1:02:22

all bad because the other quote that jumped out

1:02:24

of this movie is from his dad in one

1:02:26

of the rooms where it's not All bad because

1:02:28

it's like sure if you

1:02:30

guys want to argue that there should

1:02:33

be more Connective tissue there between those

1:02:35

yeah to make his death a

1:02:37

little more reasonable. I can accept those

1:02:39

terms I think it's insane

1:02:41

just having been around people in

1:02:43

my life like no We're

1:02:46

not saying we're not saying that doesn't happen in real life

1:02:48

We're saying when you do a movie though, you cannot just

1:02:51

draw upon well This is how it is in real life

1:02:53

So we can skip all these corners and you and and

1:02:55

you take this relationship for what it is No, you have

1:02:57

to present these characters and you actually actually to put in

1:02:59

these characters as people you cannot just draw upon real life

1:03:01

And say well because it's how it is in real life.

1:03:04

That's how you had to accept this movie No, the movie

1:03:06

presents a different a certain reality, right? So I didn't think

1:03:08

they did a good job I think you can what was

1:03:10

but we don't know what you can it's not a good

1:03:12

then it's not a good but then it's not a Good

1:03:14

movie then you're not doing your job. Then you're failing. We

1:03:16

don't need to argue this because this episode is already going

1:03:18

What do we want it? Yeah? What is the what is

1:03:20

the father's line? It's it's

1:03:22

when they're walking on like train tracks or

1:03:24

whatever after the dad has after dad has

1:03:26

bailed him out of jail Because he goes

1:03:29

to jail right like he Jose goes to

1:03:31

jail for The assault

1:03:33

on the lumber bashing dad bails him out

1:03:35

and they're talking about like getting out of

1:03:37

dad ends up offering him here Here's some money

1:03:39

get out like you you want to leave get

1:03:42

out and in that

1:03:44

scene There's like Jose is, you know frustrated

1:03:46

and says I I just I just gotta

1:03:48

get out of here I just gotta get

1:03:50

out of here and the dad goes yeah

1:03:52

me too, but everywhere I go I

1:03:55

take myself with me and that's just like

1:03:57

a really good piece of writing and so

1:04:00

I liked it. That was solid. I liked,

1:04:02

again, this was sort of right away giving away the twist

1:04:10

before I realized it. There

1:04:12

was another theme. So there's his wife

1:04:14

Vivi, his original Manaus

1:04:18

lover Lucia. And

1:04:20

then there is another random... That's Waldo's

1:04:23

lover. That's not Joseph. Well,

1:04:25

you know, and then there's another

1:04:27

random woman who they meet later, a photographer named Laura. And

1:04:29

she says, you know, that fighters are those who can fight

1:04:31

themselves. Right. And then at the time I was like, that's

1:04:33

a pretty good line. And then at the end, and then

1:04:36

by the end of the movie, you're like, Oh, got

1:04:40

even better. So, but I think

1:04:42

we can all agree. You have to annihilate the playboys.

1:04:44

It's a great line. Great line in life. Great line

1:04:47

for the movie. The movies should be called that. That's the header

1:04:49

for this episode. Or

1:04:51

that. That'll be the thumbnail. The thumbnail. This movie

1:04:54

was called annihilate the playboys rather than stronger than

1:04:56

the world. I

1:04:58

wanted to be known when we write our Jose

1:05:00

Aldo movie, it's going to be titled. And I

1:05:02

like to play it. Yeah, it's the better version.

1:05:04

We'll get that guy back to it. Guys, did

1:05:06

we like this movie? Let's get to our review

1:05:08

here. And we do have to rank it with

1:05:10

some of the three biggest films we've done this

1:05:13

show so far. Jed, I have a note. I

1:05:15

have one last note on the on the Andre

1:05:17

Penn and Harris thing, because this also stuck out

1:05:19

of me. And I just wanted to make sure

1:05:21

it was said. Any of you guys noticed the

1:05:23

picture of Anderson Silva in Harris's office? It was

1:05:25

big too. It wasn't like a close up. Classic

1:05:35

Novo Hunia. I mean,

1:05:37

he was trained in a

1:05:40

company early in his career. Because

1:05:45

I distinctly remember them having beef

1:05:47

with like, no, no, no, no

1:05:49

situation. There's

1:05:52

no, there's no, but the

1:05:54

actor that played there, he

1:05:57

also worked in the trapezialic movie, the squad

1:05:59

movie. I could

1:06:02

tell he was a good actor. I

1:06:04

could tell that gentleman was a good actor. He

1:06:06

was probably the best actor of the film. Yeah,

1:06:08

best just straight acting. Casey, there's

1:06:10

no photos up at the gym of other

1:06:12

fighters from other famous fighters. Of

1:06:16

random? Like

1:06:18

Chuck Liddell or something. You just

1:06:20

don't have GSP photos in the gym. Yeah,

1:06:23

because he's a great fighter. Great

1:06:26

guy. All right. Well, Guy,

1:06:28

first, before actually we really dig into our rating,

1:06:30

we've kind of given our thoughts so we can get right into this. Guy,

1:06:33

I need you to ball up both

1:06:35

of your fists. And this is a

1:06:37

two-fist scale, right? So each of us can put up to two

1:06:40

fists. We're going to do a little

1:06:42

drumroll, a little countdown. And we go one, two,

1:06:44

three, and then reveal,

1:06:46

show us how many fists you

1:06:48

give this film with zero being

1:06:50

terrible, one being okay, two being

1:06:53

excellent. It's pretty broad range.

1:06:55

It's not a laboratory. So Casey, are

1:06:57

you ready? I'm ready. Jed, are

1:06:59

you ready? G? You're putting your fists up

1:07:01

already. You can pull them off. Oh,

1:07:04

my God. Wait

1:07:08

for the drumroll, Jed. Here we go. All right. One, two, three. I

1:07:13

got the drumroll going. Hold on. Oh,

1:07:15

you did? Okay. I

1:07:18

like this. One, two, three, or zero. One,

1:07:20

two, three. Now. Casey,

1:07:27

three. Three,

1:07:29

but a zero from Casey. So that's going to hurt the

1:07:31

average. So again, normally we have a three, one

1:07:34

to six, sorry, zero to six. This is now zero to eight.

1:07:36

So we're going to have to do the averages here. I'm

1:07:39

pretty sure that this means this is not

1:07:41

our number one. We're doing the math here. This is not

1:07:44

our number one MMA film. Yes, it does not

1:07:46

have 50 percent fists. Yes,

1:07:48

it does not have 50 percent fists. Just below. Casey,

1:07:53

you've kind of given your reasons, but real quick, why

1:07:55

the zero? Why the zero? The

1:07:58

ending. Okay, if

1:08:00

this is a biopic and

1:08:02

if something very recent, we're not talking about something

1:08:04

in the twenties or whatever, it just

1:08:07

needs to be more accurate to something

1:08:10

and the choice and the creative choices,

1:08:12

the creative choices they picked, the harmonic

1:08:14

fight, the lack of the Mendez fight.

1:08:17

Um, the lack of the Cub Swanson knockout,

1:08:20

the lack of his amazing celebrations.

1:08:23

The lack of just feeling like Josie

1:08:25

Otto is in there fighting rather than

1:08:27

just a handsome Brazilian actor fighting, um,

1:08:30

were too much for me to give

1:08:32

it a fist. So, uh, although

1:08:36

production wise, uh, filmmaking

1:08:38

wise, this might be, uh, the best

1:08:42

one as far as like hiring the best

1:08:44

cinematographers and things like that. But,

1:08:46

uh, the, it's a, in

1:08:48

the end of the day, it's still a fight film and

1:08:51

the fights were poorly choreographed, poorly

1:08:53

edited, and that

1:08:55

wasn't enough to, um, make up

1:08:58

for generally good acting with a

1:09:00

bad script. So, uh, no, that's

1:09:02

for me. Yeah. I think we can all

1:09:04

agree. We enjoy the production values. Didn't love the fighting. So Guy,

1:09:06

why, why one fist then? How does, how does it earn the

1:09:08

one fist? It's

1:09:12

all right. It's good. I mean,

1:09:15

like I said, it's not an anime movie.

1:09:17

It's not a, it's not

1:09:19

a, an actual movie. It's a drama and

1:09:22

it's, it's all right. It

1:09:24

works in a certain way, but you

1:09:27

would expect more, uh, more

1:09:29

of an anime movie when you're doing

1:09:31

a movie about Josie Aldo. So can

1:09:34

you make Josie Aldo cry? How can

1:09:36

you speak so, so lightly of this film? It

1:09:39

made him cry. He didn't make me

1:09:41

cry. So if

1:09:44

you're going to give you all the

1:09:46

fist one, but you're asking me. So

1:09:48

that's good. Two

1:09:51

fists and a leg kick. Uh, Jed, why,

1:09:53

why the one hour showtime kick or

1:09:55

showtime kick as we all know he did. I

1:10:00

think this is the best movie we watched. It's the

1:10:02

least of movie which is tough. Heading

1:10:06

into the third act, I was fully prepared

1:10:08

to give this two fists because

1:10:10

I think it's just a well-made film. Ultimately,

1:10:13

the creative choices certainly down the stretch take

1:10:16

enough away. If this movie ends

1:10:18

on Chad Mendez, it's getting two fists. That's

1:10:20

pretty much how this would go for

1:10:22

me because I was

1:10:24

able to very quickly disassociate this from

1:10:26

Jose Aldo. I

1:10:29

know that this is the Jose Aldo biopic but pretty

1:10:32

early on, I was like, okay,

1:10:35

this isn't what I was anticipating.

1:10:37

This isn't a traditional biopic. This

1:10:40

is looking to

1:10:42

achieve something different and that's okay. I can

1:10:44

just be along for this ride instead of

1:10:46

coming in with the same notions. I'd like

1:10:48

this to be here. I think

1:10:50

this succeeds as a film. I

1:10:54

don't think it succeeds as an MMA

1:10:56

movie. It only gets one fist because

1:10:58

if this were readily available, if this

1:11:00

were on Netflix in the US, I

1:11:03

would have no issue being like, you could

1:11:05

spend the worst 90 minutes of your life. It

1:11:07

wouldn't be that bad for you to watch this film to

1:11:11

somebody who's not maybe as loosely

1:11:13

interested in MMA and has

1:11:15

heard of Jose Aldo but doesn't really know

1:11:17

anything about it. I think they get the

1:11:19

things that you're supposed to get from this

1:11:22

film. Pretty easy one fist for me

1:11:24

and I feel okay about

1:11:26

that. I had

1:11:28

to settle on the one fist as

1:11:30

well because you're right, I did enjoy

1:11:32

it as a movie. Action wise, it

1:11:35

might be the least. If you're going to recommend someone

1:11:37

just having a dumb old time, it's

1:11:40

definitely below Blood and Bone in Roadhouse. I did not like

1:11:42

Roadhouse at all. Again, I think there's a lot of people

1:11:44

there who are looking for action would enjoy Roadhouse far

1:11:47

more than they would enjoy this movie. And

1:11:49

I would go as far as to say Fight Valley as

1:11:51

well. Right guys, Fight Valley would also be enough. Am

1:11:54

I that? Okay. Fight Valley remains, I

1:11:56

think the actual movie. never

1:12:00

watch Fights Valley. You should don't. You

1:12:02

never, it's free on YouTube. It is free on YouTube.

1:12:04

It is free on YouTube. People that's not, for everyone

1:12:06

out there, that's how you do it. You do my

1:12:09

Fights Valley in all movies. And

1:12:11

I've seen a lot of dead films. I've been, I

1:12:13

tried to slide that one under the fence. You guys

1:12:15

caught it. Well done. You didn't let me

1:12:17

get away with it, but it looks like, uh,

1:12:20

can you say the name of the movie again, please? My

1:12:23

Fights Valley. Uh, it's

1:12:25

slotting in nicely at our number two spot

1:12:27

behind blood and bone. So the second greatest

1:12:29

MMA movie of all time. That's

1:12:31

still pretty good. Well, we'll get a graphic soon.

1:12:33

We'll do a graphic. We'll do a graphic. We'll

1:12:36

have a graphic soon. Uh, the second greatest movie,

1:12:38

uh, and may movie of all time, just behind

1:12:40

blood and boat, just very like fractions based on

1:12:42

the percentages. Uh, but with the votes, how the

1:12:44

votes worked out today, Roadhouse at number three fight

1:12:46

Valley, very close to the number four. It's really,

1:12:48

but Valley it's, it's a

1:12:50

really tight cluster. Uh,

1:12:53

I did enjoy blood and bone

1:12:55

more than this. I

1:12:59

got, I enjoyed blood and bone more

1:13:02

than any movie we've watched. I enjoy blood and

1:13:04

bone more. If you haven't seen blood and bone,

1:13:06

I recommend that as well. Uh, as I spoke

1:13:08

with you guys, any final, cause

1:13:12

you were talking about movies, Indian

1:13:14

names, and I know movies

1:13:16

about, uh, for other names in, in

1:13:18

Brazil. So maybe I've watched one

1:13:21

of them. I doubt it. And, but I know it goes by

1:13:23

my mind. But I know I haven't seen it. I know I

1:13:25

haven't seen that. Are you sure it has Chris Cyborg in it.

1:13:27

Are you sure? Uh, I

1:13:29

would never watch in a movie with Chris

1:13:31

Cyborg. Yeah. Give me a final thoughts on

1:13:34

this project and whether, whether you think we're,

1:13:36

we're, if, if, or when we will see

1:13:38

another Brazilian fighter get the sort

1:13:40

of biopic treatment, I mean,

1:13:42

there's a lot of great stories for movies.

1:13:46

I have one for me on Amazon. Like, doc.

1:13:49

What's that TV series? Oh,

1:13:52

it's a TV series. Oh, okay. About

1:13:54

his, about his life story. Yeah.

1:13:56

Yeah. What? Wait,

1:13:59

after playing. Oh, Lord, how did you get

1:14:01

the Anderson dam? Is this an

1:14:03

actor or a documentary? Actor, it's

1:14:05

an actor. Yeah, there are three different

1:14:07

actors for Angel Silver. Oh, well, there are

1:14:09

guys. In the future. Thank

1:14:12

you, Guy, we have future. Did you guys really not know about

1:14:14

this? I totally forgot. If I

1:14:16

knew, I didn't. I just didn't know.

1:14:18

I mean, there are particular movies, B-Nog.

1:14:21

He's a bloody incredible guy. Oh, my

1:14:23

God. Run over by a dog. He deserves

1:14:25

one. Becoming a heavyweight champion. If

1:14:28

you tell a story, you know,

1:14:31

maybe it can ever be real. Because

1:14:34

B-Nog, a real person. No. He's

1:14:37

a great story. A lot of

1:14:39

potential for great stories. But,

1:14:41

yeah. Jose, is that cool for a

1:14:44

start? Alfonso Foyar, if you're

1:14:46

out there, we need your special touch, I

1:14:48

think, to tell some of these stories. Nope. Yeah,

1:14:50

this is the man to tell a big dog story. I saw

1:14:52

the creative choices you made here. You were going

1:14:54

to get to blotch big nog. I didn't even do a big

1:14:56

dog movie. I didn't even do a Fajore fight as the final

1:14:58

film. No, we're not doing that. The

1:15:00

truck will be big nogs for an Andino. It

1:15:03

will haunt him throughout the film. He will keep seeing

1:15:05

the truck coming around the corner. I'm like, oh, oh,

1:15:07

my God. Like, they're in his greatest moments. And

1:15:10

only in the end will you realize, oh, the truck

1:15:12

was not real. Fajore just truck. Yeah,

1:15:14

exactly. Yeah, the truck is Fajore. Anyway,

1:15:17

thank you so much. We could not have done

1:15:19

this episode without you. Could not possibly have done it without you. Thank

1:15:22

you, as always, to Jed and Casey. Next

1:15:24

week, everyone, next episode, we will be doing

1:15:26

Bruce. We have some powerful female characters in

1:15:28

this movie. Finally, we'll have

1:15:30

a movie where the women take center

1:15:32

stage. Halle Berry, Valentina Scepchenko, and others.

1:15:34

Thank you again for joining us on

1:15:37

another episode of This Is Cinema. And

1:15:40

we'll see you next time. Love y'all.

1:15:54

Thank you.