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1:29

right, those are the victory morns, ladies and

1:31

gentlemen, and they sound for

1:34

Alexander Pantoja, still the flyweight champion of

1:37

the world. Also

1:39

sounds for the king of Rio,

1:41

Jose Aldo coming back, vintage form.

1:45

Beaten Jonathan Martinez, be a unanimous

1:47

decision, but the big question surrounding

1:50

the night, and it's still being

1:52

asked here at the Vox Media Studios here

1:54

in New York City, did

1:57

Vinny Siggs, did Vincenzo

1:59

Erce, Give away the

2:02

UFC flyway title and the final

2:04

two minutes of UFC 301. We

2:06

will discuss that and much more here on the

2:09

UFC 301 post fight show. I am Mike Hack.

2:11

Thank you for joining us. We

2:13

got a crew here first. Mr.

2:15

Hot take Mr. Snow gray area,

2:17

the cannonball kid himself, Jed

2:20

the shoe. Jed, how are we doing? The

2:23

goat one. We're doing amazing.

2:26

Not only does the goat win the goat

2:28

one and then said he wasn't retiring. This

2:30

is a, I mean, it kind of wishes you were trying, but whatever.

2:32

This is the best day. Uh, and then,

2:34

you know, the main event was pretty fun. Like I'm not going

2:36

to, I'm not going to see you and tell anyone this is

2:38

the best card, but certainly the main

2:41

card was worth your while. So if

2:43

you paid for that, you can't feel like you got

2:45

robbed too much for that. So, uh,

2:48

if, if you got to watch it, some

2:50

people didn't get you, but we could talk

2:52

about that later, Mike. Oh,

2:55

I don't even know what you're talking about. Seriously. I really

2:57

have no idea. So you'll have to break some news for

2:59

me. Uh, but also joining us and

3:01

it's always an honor when he does so you're

3:03

quick joining us on the post fight

3:05

show. How are we doing, sir? Hey

3:07

boys doing great. Um, I feel like UFC

3:10

301 delivered. I

3:12

think I feel like it was pretty decent. I

3:14

enjoyed myself. I had a good time. Uh, so,

3:16

and it's only one 20 AM here on the

3:19

East coast. So yeah, I'm enjoying myself. I'm

3:21

happy to be here with you guys. Yes.

3:24

Uh, as we sort of talked about blacking

3:27

of star power outside of the main event,

3:29

there weren't a ton of stakes here. We

3:31

did get some story with Jose Aldo coming

3:34

back fighting in Rio. And

3:36

the more I thought about this card, the

3:38

more I realized like how important to this

3:40

card, Jose Aldo was, and we'll get into

3:42

his performance in the second, but my

3:45

zone is breaking right out. You had to assume let's

3:47

get right to this. I asked the question earlier. It's

3:49

a question we've been still debating ever

3:51

since the card ended. Did

3:54

see verse a giveaway, the UFC flyaway title

3:56

in the final two minutes of this fight,

3:58

Alexander Pentos, your wins. Fun

4:00

fight. UrsaG was very competitive.

4:03

Lended some good shots. If we're talking pride

4:05

rules and playground rules, Steve UrsaG won that

4:07

fight. But that's not how it works

4:10

in the UFC. And that's not how it works in the

4:12

sports round by round. Pantoja wins three

4:14

rounds on two of the judges' cards and

4:18

wins four on another. So the

4:21

takedown attempts in the final half of

4:23

the fifth round, did

4:25

Steve UrsaG give away the fight with that takedown

4:28

attempt? I'm

4:30

never going to know. Um, like, yes,

4:33

to some extent that directly led to him

4:35

losing the round and on two

4:37

of the three judges' scorecards losing the fight. But

4:41

it's not like he was dominating that

4:43

round and then the takedown happened and

4:45

suddenly the round's over. It is just

4:47

that in shooting the takedown, he initiated

4:49

a scramble, which then let Pantoja control

4:51

the back two and a half minutes,

4:53

right? And functionally win the bout. If

4:56

he hadn't shot, it's entirely possible

4:58

Pantoja just gets in on the hips later. Cause

5:01

it's not like UrsaG was impossible

5:03

to take down. Pants got

5:05

him down a bunch that fight. Pants was

5:07

able to kind of just bully his way

5:09

into clinches and then start hanging on the

5:11

back and maybe sneak around to the waist,

5:13

get a drag down, get an inside trip,

5:15

get an outside reap. Like he had a

5:17

different series of events that got there. So

5:19

we can't ever say the like, if

5:22

he hadn't shot that takedown, UrsaG definitely

5:24

wins. But it absolutely

5:26

directly led to him losing. So

5:28

it's a bit of

5:30

both, right? Like it, it definitely blew

5:32

it, but also it could have been blown

5:35

anyway. And it's also possible that if he

5:37

didn't, he was just would have lost the

5:39

round. That round was very competitive and close.

5:42

Neither man had really separated themselves.

5:44

So bad move. Yeah. But also

5:46

that's kind of the move you would expect from

5:48

a dude who has three fights in the UFC,

5:50

like he is just very

5:52

green. And I don't think his coaches

5:54

did him any favors. And so

5:56

like sometimes experience shows in the

5:58

worst ways possible. the worst moment. Ursaik's

6:01

clearly pretty down, but if he's

6:04

young enough, he'll probably be back. So

6:06

I don't know how that answers your question, but that's what I got

6:09

for you. What

6:11

do you think, New York Rick? Is one of your biggest

6:13

takeaways that Steve Ursaik, if

6:16

he just didn't shoot that takedown in the final half of

6:18

the fifth round, we're having a

6:20

whole different conversation right now. I

6:23

think he'll regret it. To Jed's

6:25

point, I definitely don't think that was

6:27

a clear start to a

6:30

round where Ursaik was going to roll

6:32

Pantoja. I

6:34

think he won the fourth round, and I think he had

6:36

some momentum there. And I think there

6:38

are some opportunities on the table if he hadn't done that.

6:41

But Pantoja is just too good a grappler.

6:44

It was interesting in the post fight. Cormier

6:47

asked Ursaik what he thought and what

6:49

he was surprised by. And he was

6:51

surprised at how good Pantoja was in

6:53

the scrambles and the exchanges. I

6:56

mean, if you're surprised by that, you

6:58

haven't really been paying much attention, and that

7:00

might have cost you in the long run,

7:03

because he's one of the best at that. He's

7:06

just so good there. And

7:09

he will regret it, probably, because I think on

7:11

the feet, it seemed like all the momentum was

7:13

on his side, and it seemed like all the

7:15

rounds that primarily took place on the feet or

7:17

the moments of action that took place

7:19

on the feet, he was doing

7:21

more damage, and he was doing better.

7:23

And so to put it back into

7:25

Pantoja's realm was a mistake. But

7:27

again, to Jed's point, we don't know how the

7:29

rest of that round plays out. It was too

7:31

early. It's hard to pin it to that one

7:34

thing. And I think there's a lot of people

7:36

out there who would say he won it anyway.

7:38

I think there's a lot of people who have

7:40

scored rounds two, three, and four for Ursaik and

7:42

said he shouldn't have needed round five regardless. So

7:45

it's too hard to pin

7:47

it directly to that one specific action

7:50

and that one specific instance, but

7:52

I think he will regret not having kept it on the

7:54

feet. So

7:57

when you think back on this, Jed, like,

8:00

If we talk to BTL on Thursday, and I just

8:02

straight up ask you because look, this

8:04

card is gonna be one of those ones that we're just

8:06

gonna quickly move on from because we got 302 coming up,

8:08

we get 303, they're going to St. Louis, they're out of

8:10

the apex. And we just know how this

8:12

new cycle works. It's not one of those cards that we're going

8:14

to be heavily debating, you know,

8:16

for days after this event. So I'll just ask

8:19

you now, if it's not

8:21

that, what's your biggest takeaway from this

8:23

fight? When you look back upon it,

8:26

what did you take away the most from this

8:28

main event? The Pan-Tosha side, the Ursaag side? What

8:30

do you think? It's

8:33

a really good question. I'll

8:36

stay positive because I think that I could go two ways,

8:38

and I'll try and go a little more positive. And

8:41

it's just that Steve Ursaag's for real. We knew

8:43

that he was like a legitimate guy who had

8:45

some actual abilities, right? But when

8:48

you've only had three fights in the UFC, and

8:50

one of those came against a replacement guy who

8:52

isn't really well known in the first place, it's

8:55

hard to know really where you fit in.

8:57

Like where he just doesn't have the track

8:59

record of a guy who, oh, like,

9:01

definitely this guy's going to hang around

9:03

for a long time, be a competitive

9:06

top 10, top five sort of guy.

9:09

And walking away from this fight, I think

9:11

that things to improve on, absolutely. But some

9:13

of the concerns I had from coming into

9:15

this, I thought he showed improvement on those

9:17

things. And like with

9:19

a couple of tweaks, maybe a slightly

9:22

better game plan, I

9:24

think he could beat Pan-Tosha tomorrow.

9:26

And so, you know, I could

9:28

say some negative things about Pan-Tosha and kind of

9:30

where this is for him and sort of concerns

9:32

maybe I have for him. But I think the

9:35

better, more salient takeaway is just, hey,

9:37

Steve Ursaag's not like some flash in

9:39

the pan. This is the dude who's going to be a top 15 flyweight

9:42

for the foreseeable future. He's still only 20

9:44

years old, still getting better, and

9:47

has a lot of good ability. We thought Steve

9:49

Ursaag had more success on the floor against

9:52

Pan-Tosha than Brandon Revalden. Brandon

9:55

Revalden put up nearly the fight from the

9:57

floor that Ursaag did. So, you know, when

9:59

Brandon Royvald is the number one contender

10:01

and Ursaag has absolutely fought a better

10:04

fight than Royvald did. So we're talking

10:06

about a top five dude and that's

10:08

I mean that's pretty cool. What

10:11

about you? You knew your correct. Biggest takeaway

10:13

from this fight? Steve

10:17

Ursaag belongs. Like Steve Ursaag is

10:19

in this week

10:22

class and legitimate and the kind of

10:24

like feeling like

10:26

he was ushered into this

10:28

fight maybe undeservedly has aged

10:30

better. Like I feel like he is somebody who is going

10:32

to be around for a bit and somebody who put on

10:35

a really good performance against somebody I

10:37

rate very highly and Pantoja as a champion. You

10:40

know there's I feel like there could

10:43

be an argument against Pantoja like he may not

10:45

be the best in this division but I think

10:47

he's the most game and I think he's up

10:49

for the challenge of

10:51

being the champion and has proven that. And

10:54

so that

10:56

would that like some things still need to be

10:58

sorted out in that division and it'll be interesting

11:00

to see where it goes from here. But I

11:02

think Steve Ursaag has established himself. I didn't learn

11:05

much new about Pantoja like he finds ways to

11:07

win. That's kind of his MO. He's

11:09

in exciting fights. Another like example of

11:12

him being in an exciting fight. So I

11:15

knew most of these things about Pantoja. I knew that

11:17

when push came to shove he would find ways to win and

11:20

he did in that fifth round. On

11:22

my card I had one three and five

11:24

for Pantoja so not surprised to see

11:26

that from him. More impressed with Ursaag

11:29

was was my major takeaway. Just feeling like yeah

11:31

the guy's legit and the guy's somebody that I

11:33

think can can really hang in this division is

11:35

going to be around for a bit. Yep

11:38

completely agree with both of those takes. Normally

11:41

this is the time we'd be like what's next for Pantoja

11:43

but Pantoja's taking a break.

11:45

He said he's fought three times in a

11:47

year. He's going to take some time off

11:49

and I think the timing's perfect. We collect

11:51

this kind of weird and insane flyweight division

11:54

sort of play itself out. What's going to

11:56

happen near Al-Bazhi. What's going to happen with

11:58

Muhammad al-Qaeda. Menel Kaap, Brent Roybal. where's

12:01

Brandon Moreno going to do? When is he coming

12:03

back? And kind of, let's just sort of let

12:05

things play out, let the division play catch up.

12:07

And then we'll see what we'll be next for

12:09

Pantoja. So I have no problem with him taking

12:12

some time off because I think the timing absolutely

12:14

warrants it. But Jed, I know

12:16

you want to talk about, you're ready to talk about it.

12:18

You're ready to talk about Anthony Smith, aren't you? The

12:21

king of Rio, Anthony Smith. No, I'm

12:23

sure, I'm sure we'll get there. I'm

12:26

sure we'll get there. But the goat in

12:28

your eye. You don't need to. He's Jose Aldo.

12:30

He's a goat. He's a

12:32

goat. He's a goat. He's a goat.

12:34

He's a goat. He

12:36

comes in there with the crown of this freaking head, Jed

12:39

Michoud. Walks out to

12:41

the cage, does Jose Aldo

12:43

things to Jonathan Martinez despite, throughout

12:46

the entire fight, you hearing

12:48

the Rio fans chanting for Aldo. But

12:51

even louder than that was Mark

12:53

Montoya screaming at Jonathan Martinez. Do

12:56

something, volume. You need this round.

12:58

You have to do something. And

13:01

Jose Aldo just kept thumping him. Just countering.

13:03

The body shots are incredible. He's landing leg

13:05

kicks. Had Martinez badly hurt in the third

13:08

round. I thought he was about to get

13:10

the finish. He basically

13:12

chucks Jonathan Martinez, somewhat

13:14

lifeless body to the ground, which I

13:16

think some people question. But all in all, Jose

13:19

Aldo wins all three rounds, sweeps the scorecards, and

13:21

now free agent. But

13:24

saying he might want to come back to the FC, saying he wants

13:26

to have a conversation with, with Dana White,

13:28

Hunter, Sean Shelby, et cetera. Your

13:31

reaction to the king of Rio getting it

13:33

done in his backyard? I

13:37

mean, it was, it was everything we wanted, right?

13:40

Like I'm a, Jose Aldo is probably the second

13:42

most important fighter to me in the history of

13:44

the sport. He

13:46

is very real. Like one

13:48

of the reasons I got into the sport in the way

13:51

that I did. I love him so much.

13:53

I don't, we don't need to talk about some of

13:55

the things in his personal life. That's just, I don't

13:57

care. I'm a, I'm a put the blinders on. I

14:00

care at all about that part of him because he's the

14:02

goat and we just got to watch the goat do work

14:04

and I don't

14:06

even know how else to explain it other than

14:08

that was awesome I was exactly the fight I

14:10

thought was gonna happen Some people were like Jonathan

14:13

Martinez was shook by the moment I don't know

14:15

kind of just look like a normal Jonathan Martinez

14:17

fight except for the fact that he's fighting Against

14:20

the best defensive fighter in history and that's

14:22

really hard for most people to fight like

14:25

How many people have beaten Josie Aldo?

14:28

Here's the answer only like all-time great

14:30

fighters does it and Conor McGregor a

14:32

bunch of all-time great fighters and Connor?

14:35

That's it. Those are the only dudes who's ever beaten him

14:38

and they also like had some

14:40

clear physical advantages over him AKA

14:42

being enormous compared to Josie or

14:45

whatever. I it's just not Jonathan

14:48

Martinez his game. He is not a

14:50

high-volume striker like Max Holloway It's so

14:52

like this just was gonna go This

14:54

was a really well-made fight to

14:57

give Josie Aldo a chance to perform

14:59

and we talked about this on slack a bunch Not

15:03

like Josie was washed man Like he he

15:06

should have beaten more obtainable She really who's

15:08

like in many eyes and many people's eyes

15:10

the best fan away in the world like

15:12

at elevation on short notice like he's Yeah,

15:15

he is old. Absolutely. He is not

15:18

in his prime and hasn't been for some

15:20

time But when you are a true all-time

15:22

great when you are someone like Anderson Silva

15:24

Josie Aldo You can age

15:26

gracefully because you're that damn good

15:28

and he is that damn good

15:32

Yeah, Rick describe what you

15:34

watch tonight from Josie Aldo first fight six

15:36

hundred and thirty two days Yeah,

15:39

Josie Aldo performance. He turned back the clock, right?

15:43

and and we were talking about this a little bit before

15:45

we went live on air like I Never

15:47

really thought Josie Aldo was like quote-unquote

15:49

washed. I never really thought the performances

15:52

from Aldo looked that bad We

15:55

talked about like what are the worst ones right like Marla

15:57

Marais is probably one of the worst um,

16:00

Josie Aldo losses in recent memory. Marab, you could

16:02

say, he was certainly one-sided to a certain degree,

16:04

but like stuffed all the takedowns from one of

16:07

the most aggressive and like high paced fighters in

16:09

the UFC. I never, I just never

16:11

really thought like Josie Aldo had fallen off too

16:13

far. Um, so I was not surprised

16:15

like in a major way to see this performance. I

16:17

certainly thought Martinez would look a little bit better. I

16:19

thought this matchup was a little closer

16:21

and Aldo just dominated him. So yeah,

16:23

it was nice to see like a

16:25

vintage Josie Aldo performance. Um,

16:28

but it wasn't like shocking to, to

16:30

a high degree. Um, maybe,

16:32

um, you know, maybe there's people out there who

16:34

thought he had fallen off a little bit further

16:37

and it would have been more surprising. Um,

16:40

but it was just a really solid,

16:42

like, Hey, I'm still one of the best

16:44

guys ever. Period. Uh, I cannot go along

16:46

with the nonsense of being the goat. It's

16:49

just, unfortunately not true. Love Josie Aldo, just

16:51

not true. Um, but

16:53

one of the best guys ever and still

16:55

a capable and competitive fighter in the

16:57

later part of his career, which is

17:00

extremely impressive. So

17:02

let's chat.

17:05

I kind of had a feeling the finger is going to be up there.

17:09

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17:11

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18:18

guess, honestly, the biggest question to

18:20

come out of this fight card

18:22

altogether, and I'll ask you,

18:24

Jed, if you had

18:28

a significant say on how this

18:30

all plays out, what's

18:32

next for Josie Aldo? Is this next

18:34

fight in the UFC? Is it... Come

18:37

on. ...PFL? Is it BKFC? What are

18:39

we doing here? I

18:41

will be deeply upset if this man

18:43

goes to PFL. Like, the

18:46

co-leader, we ain't doing that

18:48

nonsense with the co-leader, man. Go

18:52

box somebody. Go do that. That's

18:56

clearly what he's setting up. Josie Aldo's the man

18:58

who's a smart man. And it's like, oh, I'd

19:00

love to go back to the UFC. I gotta

19:02

talk to Dana because I gotta see if they

19:04

got the prices right. You know, like, they gotta

19:06

hit my numbers, is what he's

19:08

saying. And that's fair. And I don't know if

19:10

the UFC's gonna want to do that, but I

19:13

think Josie Aldo moving into boxing, doing that

19:15

would be terrific. This wouldn't be a bad

19:17

way at all to end as a maker.

19:21

And if he does want to stay, some

19:23

people are gonna be upset about it. I'll give

19:25

a flying hoot. Just have

19:28

a fight. Just put him in. Let's show him out

19:30

of Josie Aldo. We're doing it. I

19:32

don't care. He should have beaten Marab. Who gives

19:34

a shit? It's fine. Just run

19:36

it. Like, let's just do that because

19:38

let's just allow us to have good

19:40

things. Merritt's out the window. We already

19:42

gave up on Merritt forever ago. So

19:44

at least let's do the fun thing

19:46

where Josie Aldo gets to fight for

19:48

a title. Willy Lewis? Probably.

19:51

I won't say 100%, but

19:53

like probably O'Malley's not a great style matchup

19:55

for him at this point of his career. But fight

19:58

would be dope as hell. Uh,

20:01

it's that, or I will

20:03

also accept, even though I don't actually know if Jose

20:05

would accept this at this point, uh,

20:07

because he shouldn't frankly, but I would

20:09

accept dominant cruise. Like you

20:11

can fight dominant cruise because like, that's just the fight

20:13

that's supposed to happen. And I'm always

20:16

happy to sign up for watching dominant cruise, get his

20:18

ass beat. So we could do that

20:20

one if you're not going to do the other things.

20:23

Uh, but I would say primarily go to boxing,

20:25

make a bunch more money than you're making the

20:27

UC and kind of end MMA on this happy

20:29

note, king of Rio, et cetera. But

20:31

if you are dead set on coming back and it kind

20:33

of feels like he is a title fighter

20:35

cruise. That's all I want. I'll

20:37

give a flying hell to watch him fight

20:39

anyone else in the van and weight division.

20:42

It means nothing to me. What

20:45

about you near Rick? What would you do? What

20:48

would you like to see for Jose Aldo? So

20:51

what I'd like to see for myself, what I would

20:53

personally prefer to see is Jose Aldo continue to fight

20:55

an MMA. Cause as I said, like, I don't think

20:58

he's at a point where I'm concerned about that. I

21:00

think he can still fight at a very high level.

21:02

And I just, and more, he's

21:04

an MMA fighter. Like that's what I'm interested

21:06

in. Um, I care more about MMA and

21:08

I care more about him fighting an MMA

21:11

because that's what I enjoy. What

21:13

I think he'll ultimately do is go box because

21:15

there's just so much more money. This is the chapter

21:18

is over. He got it. He

21:20

got his final fight on his UFC contract. He had already

21:22

retired. It seems to me like

21:24

this is a very clear indication of like, Hey,

21:26

let's just knock this one extra fight

21:29

off the contract. Now we're done and

21:31

I can go box. And he's mentioned Floyd

21:33

Mayweather, which it seems like he had a

21:35

potential agreement to fight, um,

21:37

previously and his calling the

21:39

name Manny Pacquiao now. So those are just

21:41

bigger fights than he's going to get in

21:43

the UFC. I don't imagine he will get

21:46

Sean O'Malley. Um, although that's

21:48

interesting, I wouldn't, I wouldn't hate it.

21:51

Uh, I would rather see him fight MMA,

21:53

but ultimately I predict and expect that he

21:55

will go box. You're

21:58

probably right. Josie Aldo,

22:00

big free agent now. I expect

22:02

even the co-leader to make

22:05

my call and show it a whole bunch of money.

22:07

So this is the co-leader. There's

22:10

the co-leader right there. Don't go

22:12

to the co-leader Josie. $2

22:15

million a fight. That's the offer Josie Aldo if

22:17

you're PFL. Then go to the co-leader. Yeah,

22:20

that's what you should do. Do that. If they're gonna offer

22:22

you that go to the co-leader. They

22:24

got unlimited money right now apparently. So pay

22:27

them $2 million and just put them on the pay-per-view

22:30

cards. Damn

22:32

dude, like him versus Apache mix would be a whole

22:34

hell of a lot of fun. So

22:36

sign me the hell up for that. If

22:38

they want to do that. I would enjoy that. Yeah,

22:41

that'd be incredibly fun. But we'll

22:43

see what ends up happening. And congratulations to

22:45

Josie Aldo. Now the hottest free agent in

22:48

the game. Anthony Smith gets

22:50

the ghillie, shuts a lot of people

22:52

up. Kind of checks

22:54

Vitor Petrino a little bit who was 11

22:56

and 0 heading into that fight. Called out

22:58

Anthony Smith after he's been over Tyson Pedro.

23:02

Vitor's looking pretty decent on the feet. Shoots

23:04

takedown. Anthony locks up a ghillie. You

23:07

kind of felt like if any of the

23:09

big favorites are going to lose. Seems like

23:11

Vitor Petrino was the one you had your

23:13

eye on. Michelle Pereira did Michelle Pereira things.

23:15

Sub one minute. Standing ghillie. Drops

23:18

him. Does a freaking backflip. Shin

23:20

hits the face of Ehorapoty area

23:22

as he sort of kickflips Pereira

23:25

in the air mid backflip mid

23:27

moonsault. There was a discussion amongst

23:29

the referees and some of the commission members. This

23:31

is a DQ. Is it going to be a

23:33

no contest? What are we doing here? Ultimately, the

23:36

win stands via submission for Michelle

23:38

Pereira. And then Kyle Baraglio knocks

23:40

out Paul Craig to start

23:42

the main card. We had Jo Anderson Brito

23:44

with the weird stoppage, which we're probably going

23:46

to get to it a little bit. Yasmin

23:49

Lucinda gets the win. Mick DeBek Orlbaie just

23:51

continues to reign terror in this

23:53

sport. Your car close. It's kind

23:55

of a scary third round for him, but ultimately

23:58

hangs on to beat Joakim Silva. So

24:00

before we go to the peeps, Jed, let me

24:02

ask you outside of the top two fights, who

24:06

is your MVP for UFC 301? Come

24:11

on. Is this a question? You

24:13

said that's not a top three, right? Yeah.

24:16

That's the only more. I mean,

24:18

I figured I want you

24:20

to talk about your family. I mean, we all knew this

24:22

coming in, right? Like

24:24

he had to do it for the cause. We all

24:26

knew this coming in, right? Like he had to do

24:28

it for the culture. He had to do it for

24:31

the country. Uh, the fact

24:33

that the UFC inducts Shogun, who

24:35

are into the hall of fame

24:37

announces his induction immediately before EO

24:39

Portierio walks to the cage. The

24:41

man who in that very arena

24:43

two years ago, uh, slept him,

24:45

right? Didn't really sleep, but knocked him out and

24:48

then danced over him in the final fight

24:50

of Shogun's career. That's the man who didn't

24:52

understand the assignment. Jonathan Martinez understood the assignment.

24:54

You go in there, you lose to the

24:56

guy we want you to lose to, because

24:58

that's what you're supposed to do. EO

25:01

or didn't get that memo and then

25:03

worse yet sucks. So it's not like

25:05

you even get anything by him killing

25:07

the corpse of Shogun. He

25:09

had to suffer for his sins. He

25:12

was forced to pay penance and

25:14

that penance came in the form

25:16

of Michelle Pajeta, my medium adult

25:18

son. And a medium adult

25:20

son was dope and everyone loved him. And

25:22

doesn't matter that he cheated his ass off.

25:24

And then that was a wildly illegal need

25:26

to the head of a downed opponent. Because

25:29

that wildly illegal knee came during

25:31

a backflip cartwheel, guard

25:34

pass. And then immediately after he

25:36

choked the man unconscious and he did in 60

25:38

seconds in his last

25:40

since moving the middle weights. Do

25:42

you know how long Michelle has

25:44

been in the cage combined? The

25:47

answer is a little over three

25:49

minutes, three minutes and

25:51

one second. Three fights, three up

25:53

three down baby. Demolador knew the

25:55

job. Go in there, make him

25:58

pay, do it for Shogun. and

26:01

he did it. Was it, should he

26:03

have gotten the win? Probably not. Do

26:05

any of us care? No. Rule of cool,

26:07

baby. Answer stands, easily or

26:09

should win all the performance bonuses and easily

26:12

the hero of the evening other than Jose

26:14

Aldo. Yeah,

26:16

Greg, what other performance stood out to you that

26:19

is not Michelle Pereira? Yeah,

26:21

Anthony Smith. Like, unlike

26:24

I mentioned earlier that I don't think we've

26:26

seen a rapid decline in Jose Aldo's performances.

26:28

I definitely started to feel like Anthony Smith

26:30

was on the wrong side of it. And

26:33

he picked up a big win. And

26:36

no matter how you

26:38

feel about where he ranks in this

26:40

division, for one, this division absolutely stinks

26:42

and there's really not like great contenders

26:44

in it. And for two, Alex

26:48

Pereira continues to say his name. They

26:51

have built something here, right? There is a

26:53

back and forth that is continuing to happen.

26:56

And I could very easily see a world

26:58

where he's sliding into an opportunity at some

27:00

point in the near future. So it's

27:02

good to be Anthony Smith after that win,

27:05

to be honest. So yeah, Anthony Smith stood

27:07

out to me as somebody who I think

27:09

put himself in some real nice position after

27:11

301. No

27:15

bonus for Anthony Smith. Now we're switching hats. How

27:17

many frigging hats do you have, Jed? I've

27:23

been amusing myself by swapping

27:25

hats every time. I don't

27:27

think I've done all these

27:29

things. Several members of the chat have also

27:32

figured out my game and I've been having a great time.

27:35

Look, you gotta make your own fun. And I'm not

27:37

here to tell you that it was the best night

27:40

we've ever had covering sport. But it was fun enough

27:42

and this is amusing me. So just go

27:44

with it. Yeah, we had fun

27:46

tonight. As did Michelle Pereira who will

27:48

have some more fun. $50,000

27:50

bonus for him. No fight of the night, by the way. Mauricio

27:53

Hoofie gets a bonus. Kyle

27:55

Baraglio, Alessandro Costa. No

27:57

Anthony Smith, even though he was like...

28:00

Plus 400 underdog no performance bonus for

28:02

Anthony Smith. So don't probably take care

28:04

of them. I'm sure they will Sure,

28:06

they will the UFC loves to give fighters

28:09

extra money. That's just what they do Let's

28:11

go to the people see what the peeps

28:13

up say and Casey as well. Hello Casey. Hi, nice

28:16

fun night I know

28:18

it's all that's fine. That's fine. The main

28:20

card was the UFC hate submissions the UFC

28:23

hate submissions They do not give they rarely

28:25

give you a performance bonus for submission. They

28:27

hate submissions So that

28:29

was why and he said then I get it Yeah,

28:32

but for every one is it because

28:34

of the flip? Oh, yeah

28:39

Backflip car wheel guard pass and then

28:41

choked him unconscious who's sick They're

28:44

right though. They don't like submissions Anthony Smith

28:46

finished the guillotine that was handed to him

28:49

on a planner not taking that away from

28:51

him good good on you bud but like

28:55

Perez's objectively better You

28:58

know why I think you know why

29:00

they give performance bonus I was watching

29:02

the watch party with you and heck

29:05

and Connor and you guys

29:07

were so unimpressed by that submission y'all

29:10

just You

29:13

guys were like what was that? Fighting

29:17

from V to a retreat out like it

29:19

was obviously like the worst possible thing you

29:22

could have done and Anthony's just like what

29:26

Okay, I was not the microphone over just

29:28

thinking about that. He's like, oh look it's

29:31

look at his head It's right underneath my armpit.

29:33

Let me just and it was

29:35

over. We knew it was over a second

29:37

that happened like why would you do that?

29:39

well, that's why I think I think the

29:42

the How it looks so easy

29:44

is actually why you didn't get the submission I mean

29:46

why you didn't get the bonus because that's my that's

29:48

my only guess that's my only guess because it should

29:50

have gotten it of course, but nope, but

29:52

I would have given it to him over roughy, but

29:54

Over but

29:58

I know I can talk about him at all but like Rusty

30:00

was kind of my MVP of the night in the

30:02

sense that I didn't know who he was and he

30:04

really impressed me In that sense,

30:06

I didn't know I just didn't know who he

30:08

was. I was like, wow He looked good the

30:10

Connor Connor stuff is not weird. Oh, he looks

30:12

like but I really liked the way he just

30:14

looked good It's really good. I get it. There's

30:16

words gimmicks. He's got the he's got the bladed

30:18

like karate stance like yeah I'm okay with that

30:20

ride that yeah, yeah Jamie Jamie

30:23

malarkey might be the MVP because he's

30:25

like the Jamie

30:27

should be employed forever. Yeah, man He

30:32

gets knocked out so well, that's what I

30:34

hear also Casey way to let me know

30:36

You don't read my contingency whose breakdowns that

30:38

hurts my feelings Because

30:40

you know about roughy from my contingency

30:42

his breakdowns. Are people

30:45

still reading that thing? She's all

30:47

right Super chat

30:50

Let's go Super Dave

30:52

enough already with the hats Jed. Okay It

30:56

was having a lot of fun guys. That's not a lot

30:58

of fun. I don't want to be fine. I Wonder

31:01

I just wanted to see if people in the chat would

31:03

notice and they noticed the media Alex

31:08

Erseg versus KKF on the Perth

31:10

card really cement top five status. Someone's

31:13

going to sleep spoiler. It's KKF Sure

31:19

Australia versus New I mean I Think

31:22

that that fight bangs. So I'm pro

31:24

that fight That's

31:26

why I'm gonna be awesome when it's personal.

31:28

I don't when it's for August Perfect.

31:31

Okay, that makes a kick. Yeah, I

31:33

don't know With the

31:35

ref I agree with the rest of this but

31:37

that fight bangs. So I'm super pro that though

31:39

I Actually

31:42

would also say that's too soon For

31:44

her sake all like he fought eight weeks

31:47

before this like that's a quick doing that

31:49

again After five rounds like you might

31:51

want to take a little time. I Think

31:54

he's gonna try to fight in Perth. Yeah

31:56

that he probably will Steve

31:59

erseg versus binah I'll cop love that idea. That's

32:01

the thing. I think if you're gonna have her

32:03

say fighting Perth and give him a can Let

32:07

him let him rebound I know the UFC doesn't do that

32:10

and won't but like That would

32:12

be my my manager this I wonder

32:14

if he would want Somebody highly

32:17

ranked though, you know, like I think

32:19

he won. He always certainly wants that

32:21

everyone Yeah No,

32:25

I grew I give a shit what he wants I

32:30

Should before we go to super jets I want to talk about this

32:33

one from mr. Joseph boza The

32:36

Steve a top five flyway he will be in my rankings

32:38

say that right now. Yep. I just

32:40

tickle for it Well, I

32:42

think it's very likely he will move into

32:44

our flyweight top five after Which

32:47

will come tomorrow or Monday?

32:49

I Would

32:52

say it's very He'll be

32:55

in my top five. He'll be in my five Yeah,

32:58

probably. Yeah, he just had

33:01

a substantially better fight with the champion

33:03

than Brandon Raval Who I think is

33:05

like unanimously top three for us. So

33:09

Yeah, not sure yet not sure yet,

33:12

but I have no arguments against it

33:14

though. All right All

33:17

right, super chat from Super Dave fair

33:19

text This

33:22

is the MMA nerd team The

33:25

MMA nerd team the team of the future. I Like

33:29

what they're doing They're

33:31

putting up they're putting on good fights and all

33:33

and winning and also the branding really works I

33:36

got a gimmick love a gimmick You make what

33:38

DC in the in the cage with the glasses

33:40

is perfect like people are memeing it all over

33:43

It really works like it can be that

33:45

simple sometimes So yeah,

33:47

I do think there's they're sitting on something for

33:49

sure Also, they're

33:52

fighting nerds not MMA nerd

33:54

team fighting

33:58

and they probably would have had a better one too if Gene

34:00

Silva hadn't been forced off the guard because

34:03

Gomino tried to die on the scale.

34:07

Yeah. And shout out to

34:09

Kyle Bralio for doing the

34:11

right thing with the microphone. I like the

34:13

cat and ear call out. That's

34:15

not doodoo. Mike! Mike! Come

34:19

on! You know the rule, Mike.

34:21

We all say that name. I

34:25

said what I said. I have no regrets at

34:27

all. But good call. You didn't call it. He's booked! He's

34:29

not booked. That ain't a favorite.

34:31

I thought he was booked. Someone said he was booked.

34:34

I thought he was booked. He ain't booked. I

34:36

don't know. That's still bad because we don't say that

34:38

name. We don't say that name. He

34:41

who shall not be named has

34:43

reportedly been slated to headline

34:46

UFC Louisville against Nasser Dineemovov.

34:50

Well, if it's on MMA Fight, you

34:52

guys know the golden rule. If it's on mmafighting.com,

34:54

it ain't real. So there you go.

34:56

I'm not saying it won't happen,

34:59

but it's on our website. That's all

35:01

we need to say. We

35:03

continue on. All right. Also,

35:05

I don't know if you're going to pull

35:08

this up, Casey, but I saw it at

35:10

some point in there. Trevor Legette, 20 months

35:12

of a subscriber. Way to go, Trevor. Let's

35:15

go. You can go, Trevor. Ooh.

35:19

Okay. Lazy

35:23

bed. Why did the ref diddle shore's

35:25

leg hole? Nothing cool. That

35:28

was super weird. That was a bad stoppage.

35:30

That was a bad stoppage. Those are weird.

35:33

That was a bad stoppage. What do you mean?

35:35

What do you mean by that? Red. You mean

35:37

bad doctor. That was the guy who he said

35:39

this cut. His leg is broken. He's not fighting.

35:41

Jack Shore. Jack Shore is right. That's what we're

35:43

talking about, right? Yeah. Jack Shore's leg cut. I

35:46

thought that was just a bad...

35:48

And his leg apparently was not broken per

35:51

some other statement. Yeah. Yeah.

35:55

His dad said no

35:58

damage. They gave him some stitches and sent them home.

36:00

So it would appear to be a bad

36:02

stoppage Didn't see what was

36:04

a good one Bad,

36:06

that's all I mean, I

36:08

saw I saw a guy shove his finger

36:11

through the leg of a man, which I

36:13

haven't really seen before So

36:15

yeah, but that's super fitting. I mean like

36:17

if there's dad if there's dad Oh, you

36:19

can yeah if you want to shove fingers

36:22

into open cuts, you can do that.

36:24

Anytime you want I mean there's like

36:26

a little bit of hole in his shin

36:28

like it was But it

36:30

was not fight stop at all There's

36:32

holes all over the body Outside

36:41

I honestly am not entirely sure which direction y'all

36:43

are coming in this room to me You're

36:47

just a medical professional and

36:49

shouldn't be jamming your fingers into

36:51

that hole I

36:54

don't look at about like That

36:58

is a hole you don't need to see how

37:00

deep it is with your own finger. It's like

37:02

that's a hole right there I'm

37:04

not a doctor. So I don't know if there's a

37:06

medical reason to be shoving your finger in there I

37:09

can't speak to that part of it. But what I

37:11

can speak to is if he was not compromised Then

37:13

what is the stoppage for? Like

37:17

his leg was fine. So what what was the stoppage?

37:20

It was actually cut Let's

37:22

choose a different word than fine. What

37:24

what was not fine about it. It

37:26

had a cut what was That's

37:32

that no, I don't know it's not we I

37:34

mean we don't know like not dangerous I don't

37:36

think it's like fight. Oh, yeah, I'll get a

37:38

big hole on his head Yeah, if the doctor

37:40

wants to suck his finger on his forehead and

37:42

we're like, oh jeez, I can see your brain

37:45

I'm really jamming it in there. This is

37:47

good. I'm just saying choose the word better

37:49

Cuz his leg clearly isn't fine.

37:51

His leg was acceptable maybe Fine,

37:55

it was not a

37:57

fight stoppage cut. So yeah I

38:00

think we're all pretty clear on what

38:02

we're talking about here. And the aesthetics

38:05

from the aftermath either. There was no

38:07

protest. Let me ask a question. Not

38:09

for sure. He

38:11

just stood there and was like, OK. Well,

38:14

I mean, if you want to go like, I don't think that's. If

38:18

you want to continue and said, yeah, I want to

38:20

continue, his team said, I want to continue. Well,

38:23

that's not the judgment. Oh,

38:25

sorry. Let me ask this because I want to see, this

38:28

is not me making a point. It's me actively

38:30

asking a question. Let's say

38:33

that Jack

38:35

Shore, instead of getting a cut on his

38:37

shin, got stabbed. Just

38:40

like actually got stabbed. It happened. I

38:42

don't know what happened. We're

38:45

fine with that continuing. If he's just

38:47

like, I could fight through it. He

38:49

got stabbed like Dalton and Roadhouse get

38:51

stabbed outside the bar Casey. This is

38:54

cinema. It's his muscle or bone or

38:56

something structural compromised. If it's a

38:58

stab and he has a cut. Yeah.

39:00

Keep fighting. Keep fighting. I

39:02

don't have any idea what was or wasn't

39:05

compromised. I'm not a medical doctor. So

39:07

you're asking. I'm just trying to

39:09

find out if that's OK. If

39:13

there is, I understand your argument. It is

39:15

just weird though. Doctor like a big hole

39:17

can fight. Yeah.

39:19

Yeah, that's just fighting. That's what we watch.

39:22

Yeah. I'm going to say

39:24

your confusion. I got to be honest. We see what

39:26

we get. Like

39:29

he's not falling out or anything. No,

39:32

but we stop fights for cuts. Like typically

39:34

because there are any of the big ashes

39:36

that reveal like skull. That's not

39:39

going to do anything worse. Like that's not

39:41

going to kill. It goes up here. The

39:43

legs down here. Yeah, there's a

39:46

different. I'm aware of what they think. You're

39:49

saying you're saying a cut in the skull. That's

39:51

not not not a cut. No.

39:54

Why is that different? Like that's not

39:56

any more structurally damaging than a cut

39:58

in the leg. It's just on

40:00

the head as opposed to being on the leg. Yeah,

40:03

it is different. It's on the leg. It's

40:06

like, no, it's the idea.

40:08

Why don't you explain to me why that cut

40:10

is going to lead to much more because there's

40:12

different composition structures and things that are happening here

40:14

in the face that are not happening in the

40:17

foot that are important to preserve, right? Like the

40:19

leg is different. There's no permanent, there's no permanent,

40:21

like you get, there is like permanent, like permanent

40:23

lifelong damage for cuts on the face. Especially with

40:26

the eyes and the lips and stuff when you

40:28

have bad cuts around the face, they will start

40:30

everywhere around the lips and the lips and eyes.

40:33

But otherwise... Because a lot of times you hear when

40:35

they do stop it for cuts like that, they're like,

40:37

oh, this could have affected your eye, your

40:39

vision, things that are like important to continue

40:42

to fight. There are those, but they're also

40:44

just ones where like, oh, that's just a

40:46

really gnarly gash and this fight is over.

40:48

Most of those don't get stopped. Yeah.

40:51

I've heard honestly... I just don't give a shit about this

40:53

one. I'm fine with this one. I do.

40:55

I do give a shit about it because like I...

40:57

It was an injustice to Jack Shore and we don't

40:59

care about Jack Shore, but I'm just talking. If we

41:02

do care about him, then I think that

41:04

sucks for him. It was a bad stoppage. I think it

41:06

was about, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I do as

41:10

soon as I saw it, like fights over, they're

41:12

stopping it. I knew immediately. They said because... And

41:15

they said it on the air. They said they did it

41:17

because they thought there was a leg fracture. It's

41:19

like he's walking on it. Yeah, but they keep asking

41:21

after the fact though. They said after they read the

41:24

decision and the post-fight interview, they're done. Yeah, because we

41:26

don't interview the doctor in the case, so we didn't

41:28

know. So we had to go through it bad. But

41:30

I knew as soon as I saw the cut, they

41:32

were stopping the fight. Like I was like, this fight's

41:35

over. They're not letting him continue. There's no chance they're

41:37

going to let this man get it. Because it was what,

41:39

too deep? Because it was just like too bad of a

41:41

visual. He got shot in the leg. And like that was

41:44

what it looked like on television. It looks like he got

41:46

shot in the shin. And there's a

41:48

hole in the leg. I could stop this

41:50

via gnarly. It was just gross. Yeah, it

41:52

was just weird. It was like, oh, I

41:54

say it's unprecedented. But how many? It pretty

41:56

much is unprecedented. I think we only found.

41:58

Yeah, that's why I'm not. Only one other,

42:01

maybe only one other cut I've seen on

42:03

a leg cut from checking a kick where

42:05

they've stopped the fight. I can't wait. There's

42:07

no doubt. I was too crazy about it,

42:09

but it is certainly not common. Yeah.

42:13

And this one wasn't bad enough. It was just

42:15

like, yeah, it looks gnarly, but this is a

42:17

gnarly sport. Correct. But

42:20

I mean, that's what we're doing here. We

42:22

are beating the crap out of people. You

42:25

know, that's the sport. I think so. That's why

42:27

I didn't like the stoppage. And yeah, that's why.

42:29

I can live with the explanation that

42:31

he thought something was fractured. Now, would

42:34

I like for something to actually be

42:36

fractured if you're going to make that

42:38

determination? Certainly. Like that just feels

42:40

like jump up and down on one foot. Cool.

42:45

If that's the explanation, I'm not sure that on

42:47

the rough. Yeah, maybe not. Maybe

42:50

if your legs broken, your bone might

42:52

be broken. He was clearly walking. You're

42:54

fine. Like we've seen thousands

42:56

of fights. I was just like,

42:58

all right. I think it was

43:01

unfortunate for Jack. He

43:04

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44:13

Chin earth they got robbed sure should have

44:15

been able to continue Brazil crowd sucked Do

44:18

you disagree with our thoughts? They're way better than 283 way

44:21

better than 283. Yeah, it's just Madonna's

44:27

well, what do you want? Yeah? Madonna

44:30

runs I

44:36

Don't care about the short thing sure and

44:38

the crowd was not that fun, but

44:40

also Frankly

44:42

good on Rio like I respect you for

44:44

not just lapping up the dog. She got

44:46

fed So it's a very good card. This

44:49

is fine card. We enjoyed ourselves This

44:51

was one of the weaker pay-per-view

44:53

offerings. He's put forth and the people

44:55

of Rio Responded correctly

44:57

the way that you are supposed

45:00

to respond to incentives like

45:02

this like that's how Theoretically

45:04

capitalism would work. Oh, you're providing us an

45:06

inferior product. We're gonna go see Madonna instead

45:09

That seems like a better use of our

45:11

time and energy And so

45:13

you get different fans and it's not quite the

45:15

same reaction because that's do you seem bought paid

45:17

for with this card? Yeah,

45:19

that's that's exactly right If we're gonna compare this

45:22

to like the cards of the past and how

45:24

crazy the Brazilians went for it I

45:26

would point you to the actual card and

45:28

then say it's commensurate like this was the

45:31

crowd was fine because the crowd

45:33

was 3-quarters or less full or

45:35

whatever the the final result ended up being

45:37

because the card wasn't that strong and they

45:40

were appropriately excited for that as

45:42

Jed kind of said Like

45:44

it's fine They didn't have just nailed

45:46

on this card. They probably would have like 4,000 people

45:49

in the balloon. Yeah Yeah

45:52

You see went to this arena

45:54

it had global to share Jamal

45:56

Hill Brandon Moreno Davidson figurado for

45:58

or whichever one. Was was

46:01

for right a deal with orange

46:03

juice Ago Draw: Johnnie Walker Shogun

46:05

looted the difference between those two

46:08

cards. And. That will explain to

46:10

you the difference in the crowds. Yeah, even

46:12

and I agree on you, that might. Have

46:14

the best of the best. Like previous trips of

46:16

Zola been even stronger than that. So yeah just

46:18

as was just farm was when I was to

46:20

to a the to a three crowd was like

46:23

not into it at all because they were pray

46:25

like most of the fans I would go and

46:27

make noise and are know what the ticket prices

46:29

were for this why I assume there are far

46:31

less and to eighty three was. At. Most

46:33

those people are like priced out of the building. Sell.

46:37

It just wasn't the same sort of ambience.

46:39

There's a lot and more that tonight felt

46:41

a little more like real asked as opposed

46:43

to to a three, but still not. Back

46:46

Great. That great. Is.

46:49

The final card. My. It's

46:51

a fine current. it was. There was only

46:53

one top ten fighter on a corned our

46:56

rankings on entire card. So.

46:58

Which is Petrosa? I mean, I certainly it Like

47:01

earth eg. Well, now I went hours at an

47:03

average. Words? yes, commensurate with that. but he

47:05

hadn't done it yet to come behind us. Yeah.

47:08

Yeah. Various Us to.

47:11

Death. At an at it we gotta buy

47:13

that guards. although although the in there and they're

47:15

worth what would have dominion what am I not

47:17

die for hims on this but yeah I am

47:19

Saturday that thing is that her. Since

47:22

I've listed stuff living we

47:24

ran I I, I just.

47:28

Said. Oh

47:30

I frantically junior. Oh.

47:34

May ah.

47:36

Dlc Michelle being a top five is

47:39

contender breed. Also Rick Socket Jedi of

47:41

a mullet l wow. I

47:44

love only ask questions and answers legs might

47:46

attract. Ah so it's going. Really not is

47:48

usually not my job. We usually get like

47:50

three or four these and I'm hoping we

47:52

get a few more. is our. So.

47:54

Yes! Keep you company

47:57

as service? Ah yes

47:59

No. I

48:01

have no comment on what Rick does and

48:04

this isn't a bullet pretty obviously

48:06

you idiot It's not

48:08

short in the front. My hair is just brushed back It's

48:12

just long hair Wait,

48:15

is he so is Michelle not even ranked?

48:17

He's not even like in a ranking. No

48:24

I Know but like some

48:27

guys have kind of like not fought anybody and lost

48:29

to and are still in the top 15 That's kind

48:31

of weird. I Just

48:34

moved to middleweight and he beat Petrosky and

48:37

Alex a check who weren't ranked guys Yeah,

48:41

I mean he will certainly get around

48:43

who you bumping out who you bumping

48:45

out mr. Jackman to

48:47

put do Michelle's going up there. He

48:50

bumping out. You see a look

48:52

at my rankings on the UFC's rankings

48:54

like like Paul I'm

48:57

looking at USC's cuz I'm just like Good

49:02

answer I

49:04

don't know leaving

49:07

my rankings There's a

49:09

prize Doesn't feel like these rankings are

49:11

very strong and he's kind of been like on

49:13

fire at middleweight So I would have seen I could

49:15

have seen he was in the top 15 But I'm

49:18

okay with the answer that like he just didn't do enough

49:20

yet If you can be by

49:22

this guy I Don't

49:26

know about that man. I don't know

49:28

about that He just does a propensity to do

49:30

such a dumb and amazing and wonderful shit and

49:32

you just like can't do that Don't

49:35

you tell me I'm on medium-sized adults on like

49:38

that. It's it's dumb with his way into

49:40

an old most amazing Like

49:42

bow I bow at his feet type shit and

49:44

it's just not how you become a top fighter

49:46

in the sport disagree,

49:49

it's dope So

49:52

We're clear when the guy you think was

49:54

goat was actually good He was doing insane

49:56

stupid shit, and then he just like I'm

49:59

gonna jab. The people in the

50:01

eyes and be born you said I

50:03

could I don't Crazy is also go

50:05

M Resolve era is also a lot.

50:08

He's. Also I'm not arguing know

50:10

which are two billion husband animal

50:12

husbandry experts, scientists, doctors, lawyers, chickens

50:15

and goats The masses real decides

50:17

is real your believe in science

50:19

Ikea stocking chickens and goats Michelle

50:21

their be going nuts cause it's

50:23

way cooler and my personal nirvana

50:25

I've now been calling for this

50:27

for roughly year is Michelle but

50:30

have vs jerk is to proceed

50:32

to a real stupid silly stuff

50:34

at each other it would be

50:36

some was fun. One.

50:38

Day Somebody's going to make you like

50:40

state your reputation on on somebody like.

50:43

There's so much. this is so much

50:45

said Bell and. Dot

50:47

slights Michelle for an unbiased. don't worry

50:49

about but it has and anemia right

50:52

there as tight as on alarm injury

50:54

to know it's Uk I a bullet

50:56

through the whole therefore it on the

50:58

ice idea why or no idea how

51:00

way to Matchmaker Michelle prayer and onto

51:02

the next on tomorrow morning cause I

51:05

got the one. Oh do I

51:07

viewed as the policy the do now listen

51:09

now in his mom. Or. Your

51:11

project on a few weeks? does Michelle? Does

51:13

he get a giant jump up fades busy,

51:15

get like already? Or do we do the

51:18

cycle one step at a time type thing?

51:20

Or. Deciding enough for

51:22

judge eyes, I think you do launch

51:24

him up fairly high just because you

51:26

kind of tn. On bad

51:28

about though. Like who's booked against

51:31

water? Whatever. because I don't have

51:33

a podcast where I do that

51:35

for for living. But.

51:38

It will also hundred attendees they're going to

51:41

let brought a Brio get up break as

51:43

he called for you shall not be named

51:45

as the given that and also getting michelle

51:47

like a huge pompous, pretty tough. Ah,

51:51

Now. That is Michelle user. Of

51:53

coast of whitaker. wow

51:56

i mean that is just such a

51:58

massive jumps like insane high

52:00

jump but to the rankings

52:02

point like Hamza beat a welterweight

52:05

Kamara Usman and is like 11 in

52:07

UFC's ranking so like we just had a title

52:09

fight of a guy who was ranked 10 in

52:12

UFC it wasn't even our top 10 and almost

52:14

won the belt tonight so I don't a giant

52:16

jump-up in competitions maybe it's time it

52:18

doesn't do it like Whitaker's Whitaker

52:22

Costa area might be too quick but

52:24

I don't know whatever I'd I would

52:26

be pretty down to watch him fight

52:28

Paulo Costa that would be pretty fun

52:31

would you be glad you feel that it gets

52:34

thumped up bad by Sean Strickland then I

52:36

don't have a problem with it oh

52:38

that's right sorry it's Strickland Costa not

52:41

Whitaker and Costa where actually yeah where

52:44

you're fighting on the on the on that's

52:46

right yeah no I give him the losers

52:48

trickling Costa I

52:50

don't want to be like I don't care

52:52

about his like elevation I want fun fights

52:54

for Demolador cuz he's fun

52:57

I just wanted I got it

52:59

don't worry about it listen I got it you'll see it's

53:01

the right fight it's the

53:07

perfect fight I have

53:09

ideas too but what do you got I mean the perfect fight

53:14

is trick is it so

53:16

much I need I now

53:18

need trick is to lose the belt so he

53:20

can just fight for

53:22

like it

53:24

would be so silly who would

53:27

you pick easy what's here yours what's the right

53:29

one I'm down for

53:32

a giant jump-up in competition and Michelle

53:34

prayer versus Hugh should not be named oh

53:39

okay so

53:41

he's Ohio who's ranked doesn't

53:44

get him no I get

53:46

someone he gets someone show someone I'll

53:48

get sacraments and

53:51

that's the one that's an apex main event

53:53

if you're everyone's one honestly

53:56

that actually makes more sense

53:58

this division is is Michelle's

54:00

cooler than Kai, he's just gotta deal with it. He

54:02

is, he is. That I

54:04

couldn't argue, like certainly, I agree with that.

54:06

I agree with that. All

54:08

right. I'm the one I wanted to

54:10

rank. You guys are like, oh. No,

54:13

I was explaining why I wasn't. I am going

54:15

to be ranking this one. Probably

54:18

way higher than I should. Oh, God.

54:22

Oh, we got one of those rankings. I can't answer

54:24

it. All right.

54:27

Your goat thing, you're taking somebody who's not there

54:29

and putting them higher. I get it. Understood.

54:33

Well, I don't know what to tell

54:35

you, man. You come back with any scientists

54:38

that will tell you that chickens are genetically

54:40

goats. Our sin,

54:42

but it has been very clearly established

54:44

to me by scientific. Well, you're just

54:46

arguing why John Jones would not be

54:48

goat. You're not really like thereby

54:51

proving that Aldo is, but I mean, that's

54:53

a whole other thing. I mean,

54:55

the sign says it. Yeah. Yeah.

54:59

Got it. Also, he's been a top five fighter

55:01

for 20 years. No one does that. John

55:03

Jones. At that weight class. John Jones. Two of my

55:05

thoughts. I'm a real weight class. I've been a top

55:07

five fighter for 20 years. By the way, we're

55:11

not talking about John Jones. Do you think John Jones is

55:13

45? Stop.

55:17

No, but so how long has it been? It's

55:21

like 16 years. He's still got a few more, but

55:23

also there was a big gap in there. He

55:26

retired because he lost to Dominic Reyes.

55:29

He did. Yeah. I

55:31

was able to retire too. It's fine. That's

55:35

because the other never lost to Dominic

55:37

Reyes. It was bad. John Jones never

55:39

lost. So I watched that.

55:41

You're lost to the great earlier. Earlier

55:45

when you said earlier

55:47

when you were like, you're like,

55:49

who beat who? How many people

55:51

have beat Josie Aldo? The answer is eight. The answer

55:54

is actually eight people. Or eight

55:56

times he's lost because Max Holloway actually

55:58

did it twice. He's

56:00

lost to the Gunshyiders. He

56:02

didn't lose to Dominic Reyes. Well, John

56:05

never lost. So I mean, that kind of like put

56:07

that in the head. I

56:09

mean, I have eyeballs. I like didn't.

56:12

I have eyeballs. Didn't. Didn't lose.

56:14

I didn't know you didn't have eyeballs. That's tough. I'm

56:16

just not seeing for you. Gentlemen, before we went live,

56:18

we used to, I thought we got all our John

56:20

Jones out of us. That

56:23

question, please. It's

56:25

just so crazy. I mean, it's just...

56:28

All right, real quick. We're done. How

56:31

the hell did we get there with that question? Like

56:33

none of those guys. We had something

56:35

in the middle and then I went back to it.

56:37

And I'm doing the whole thing. Forever

56:41

to the lead day, I don't hate that idea. Yeah,

56:44

that could be wrong. Probably

56:46

makes more sense. Yeah. Yeah.

56:49

All right. Free E-Hort to Brazil to

56:51

get lamped by Brazilians. I like this

56:53

idea. Yeah, that's a good that. We'll

56:55

agree on that one. Alex,

56:58

did they see where the seats after the Aldo

57:00

fight? I don't know. There's still

57:02

people there. I didn't see it. It definitely emptied

57:04

out a visible amount. Did

57:09

it? Oh, wow. I didn't even know I liked

57:11

that. Yeah, but I didn't knew that was going to

57:13

happen. It's just out of the show. But

57:16

they were dead, dead quiet

57:18

for the walkouts and the introductions of the

57:20

main event. And then by like halfway through

57:22

the first round, the crowd started getting up

57:24

for it because they're like, all right, this

57:26

could be all on the set.

57:29

Pantosha is from Rio. So that kind of stinks.

57:31

I don't love that. I wish it was different,

57:33

but I mean, it is what

57:35

it is. They were there for Aldo. Well, I think

57:37

this kind of goes back to more on the UFC.

57:39

And we're talking a little

57:41

bit on Slack with Guia about this.

57:43

The UFC just has not created new

57:46

Brazilian stars that are under 30. They

57:49

just haven't. And this is actually, I don't know

57:51

if it's a problem. Maybe the UFC doesn't care.

57:53

But at least in the Brazilian MMA scene, doesn't seem

57:56

there are just no one. There's

57:58

obviously lots of talent. Stars,

58:01

you know, not under 30, but wouldn't have

58:03

been amazing if Alex Parer was headlining this

58:05

card and you know, could have,

58:09

special and more important. That would have been nice.

58:11

Not under 30, but event

58:14

would have been amazing. Been perfect. Yeah. Great.

58:16

Harder than so good. Yeah. All

58:19

right. Uh, all those, just the feature fight instead

58:21

of the co-main it's ideal. Mm-hmm.

58:29

That's what I scored it. I don't have any issues with

58:31

the four one scoring. Um, like

58:34

I, for Pantoja, I think that's fine. I,

58:37

I expected it to be three twos Pantoja all the

58:39

way around the official MMA fighting

58:41

score card is three twos or seg. I'm

58:44

not married to it, but that's how I scored it real

58:46

time. Two, three, four. Yeah. I

58:48

had round three for Pantoja. Oh, Mike, I think you're

58:51

on mute. You go first though. Oh,

58:55

you're not. I just can't hear you, Mike. I don't know

58:57

what happened to your microphone. No,

58:59

now you are muted. Adrian, Adrian,

59:01

uh, Pereira is not the

59:03

biggest star in MMA. He's a very

59:05

big star. He's also not under 30

59:07

by like any stretch and was a

59:10

star prior to coming to the USC.

59:12

So like just context clues, bro.

59:14

It's okay. Um,

59:18

I scored round three for, uh,

59:20

for Pantoja. Uh, I certainly like you have

59:22

to track that elbow. And that was one

59:25

of the, the, the most damaging, uh,

59:27

strike of the fight. But I think, um, Pantoja

59:29

did enough throughout the rest of the round that

59:32

I was okay with scoring it for him. Um,

59:35

but yeah, big elbow, like no doubt. You

59:37

have to note that. Um,

59:40

I've been trying to figure that out. I thought that

59:42

was it lately. Go on. I've just

59:44

been, I've been trying to, I've been thinking about that lately

59:46

because like, I mean, the elbow is

59:48

functionally the reason. So I thought the realm

59:51

was relatively competitive without the elbow. I definitely

59:53

goes to Pantoja, but like, I

59:55

dunno, he took a half point of

59:58

blood out of him that feels like that's probably. more

1:00:01

damaging than whatever Pantosha did the rest of the

1:00:03

round. I think it

1:00:05

could be argued. I think that's... It

1:00:07

certainly can be. Like, half a pint of blood is a lot of

1:00:09

blood. It didn't... I

1:00:12

don't... Oh, he's... Real quick. Mike,

1:00:15

is your audio not working? Mike,

1:00:18

can you hear me, Mike? Talking to you, Mike?

1:00:22

Yeah, he can. Your audio isn't working, because you did

1:00:24

start talking and we can't hear you. What

1:00:27

about now? Oh, now we can. Oh,

1:00:29

he's back. I hear you. We're going through the

1:00:31

headphones now. I don't know... All right, yeah. I don't know what

1:00:33

happened. Okay. You're good now. All right, go.

1:00:35

Just check it. I want to get that settled. I

1:00:38

don't know what we're talking about. We were

1:00:41

talking about... Yeah, I thought... Yeah,

1:00:45

I thought one, two, four and five were

1:00:47

pretty clear. I thought

1:00:50

they were pretty clear rounds. Three was the toss-up round.

1:00:53

But I have no issue with Pantosha getting the third

1:00:55

round. But I thought

1:00:57

the other four rounds are pretty clear, pretty

1:01:00

easy to score. I

1:01:04

wouldn't have had an issue really either way on

1:01:06

two. If you give Pantosha two, I

1:01:08

would have been fine with that, which I think Casey, you

1:01:10

did. But yeah, I agree.

1:01:13

No, no, I actually had it... I

1:01:15

had actually one judge. I had four-one

1:01:17

Pantosha. But I acknowledged that two and

1:01:20

three were... Yeah, that's what I'm

1:01:22

saying. You gave Pantosha the second. I

1:01:24

don't have any issues with that being that way

1:01:26

either. Then it's fine. I

1:01:29

think anything from three to Orseg to four-one

1:01:31

Pantosha is totally fine. We

1:01:40

didn't have... How do you guys choose

1:01:42

who hosts what show? We're

1:01:46

told who hosts it and then we show up and host

1:01:48

it. And it's that

1:01:50

simple. I mean, Mike hosts

1:01:52

most everything if Mike is available. And if

1:01:54

not, it's usually me or Shane. Yeah,

1:01:58

and then once in a while, like, I'll pond it on something.

1:02:00

like we did for 300. Achilles

1:02:02

is back. Jon Jones technically didn't lose, but

1:02:04

you know who did? Valentina, 285. Actually,

1:02:09

technically Jon Jones did lose. So,

1:02:11

I don't know if that is

1:02:13

right. That's just like a stone

1:02:15

myth. Oh boy, Achilles. You

1:02:19

know what? I'm gonna back my boy Achilles here.

1:02:21

Just spot on. Like, this

1:02:24

is what I need you to bring every single

1:02:26

time. Thank you. Thank you for speaking some truth.

1:02:29

You know who did lose? Habeet. Never lost. Habeet.

1:02:32

Oh God. Yeah, and then

1:02:34

you walk away after like, you finally started having

1:02:37

real fights. Oh wow.

1:02:39

No, you should definitely be a man for

1:02:41

walking way after his dad dies. That's what's

1:02:43

going to happen. No, don't try to do

1:02:45

that. Don't try and turn that into a...

1:02:48

That's exactly what happened. Yeah,

1:02:51

okay. But is that

1:02:53

my fault when we're grading him? You

1:02:56

know what? His dad died. He kind

1:02:58

of put some stank on that trash talk.

1:03:00

You know, and then he walked away. So

1:03:02

therefore... So we give him... What do

1:03:04

we give him for that? 10 extra wins? What

1:03:06

are we adding to the resume for that? What

1:03:09

is the length of time that you're just going

1:03:11

to be like, okay, now we just assume that

1:03:13

he wins these. What is it? No,

1:03:16

I'm not assuming any of those. I'm just saying.

1:03:18

Okay, so then if his career stopped when it

1:03:20

stopped, I don't really have an opinion

1:03:23

on why it stopped. He stopped his career and

1:03:25

therefore, I'm going to judge it based on that.

1:03:27

There's nothing to do with why. I don't care

1:03:30

about why. That's up to him. Never

1:03:33

lost. Actually never lost. Very

1:03:35

few title defenses. Just not even in the

1:03:37

combo for GOAT. Did

1:03:39

never fight a middleweight or a bunch of

1:03:42

old people. Just... Yeah, and mop them off.

1:03:44

...fighting the best stanweights in the world in

1:03:46

the best division. Not a shitty division where

1:03:48

you fought a bunch of middleweights. And now

1:03:51

currently... DJ. ...not to fight. Where's DJ? Where's

1:03:53

DJ? Oh, it's pretty

1:03:55

DJ. And right here, you're... I think DJ

1:03:57

has a pretty... ...they're just arguing with GOAT. I

1:04:00

think DJ's are a good player. You're

1:04:02

questioning the strength of competition for Jon Jones.

1:04:04

Do you make argument for DJ's? Yeah, I

1:04:06

think DJ's strength of competition is quite different.

1:04:09

DJ's got very good competition. Very good competition.

1:04:11

Yeah, wouldn't you? What? Jon

1:04:13

Jones' title defenses? There are bad people in

1:04:15

DJ's and Ron's. I'm not saying all of

1:04:17

them are winners. Joe, what are we... What

1:04:20

fights are we talking about here? Just...

1:04:24

Do you not remember any of DJ's

1:04:26

wins? Yeah, so...

1:04:28

Jon Johnson's very good. Joseph Benavidez

1:04:30

is very good. Joe, do you remember any

1:04:32

of them? Yeah, there's

1:04:34

some good ones. There's also some bad ones.

1:04:36

So Jon Jones has no good ones either?

1:04:39

There are. Jon Jones? No,

1:04:41

I have never said Jon doesn't have good ones. He literally said

1:04:43

he has a lot of middleweights. Old men

1:04:45

and middleweights. So none of

1:04:47

those are good. Those are true statements. I

1:04:50

don't know what to tell you.

1:04:53

Okay, look, Demetrius, I love him. I

1:04:55

rate him highly on my GOAT ranking.

1:04:58

Let's not pretend that Demetrius was fighting a

1:05:01

murderer's row of guys in the UFC. It's

1:05:04

just not true. I

1:05:06

absolutely think he was fighting a very good

1:05:08

string of competition. It was fine. I thought

1:05:11

it at the time and thought it was

1:05:13

insane. Everyone's like, whatever, he's small so no

1:05:15

one cares about him. That's not true. I

1:05:18

think the skill set for those flyweights are

1:05:20

just so much higher than most

1:05:23

of the 205ers. But I get it. Moving

1:05:26

on. You're fighting the competition that

1:05:28

you have. Yeah, the 205er is not as

1:05:30

skilled as a flyweight. I

1:05:34

will grant you that and not even come

1:05:36

close to debating it. The

1:05:39

level of competition that Jon was... Do we go back

1:05:41

to what I said before the show about Daniel Cormier?

1:05:45

Do we want to rehash this

1:05:47

conversation? Here's the thing. Jon's

1:05:52

resume is starting to lean heavily on

1:05:54

DC. The same way Fadors did. I

1:05:57

know he beat a lot of people, but he also... also

1:06:00

with Nog's ass. It's not just like whatever

1:06:02

like Shogun, Rampage, Lover,

1:06:04

like these are not just like whatever.

1:06:06

I know you're gonna say they're whatever,

1:06:08

but they're not. They're just not whatever.

1:06:11

Machida was a great win. Machida was a great

1:06:13

win. Machida was a great win. Machida was a

1:06:15

great win. These are not just like whatever. They're

1:06:17

just not. I'm sorry. They're

1:06:20

just not. They're not whatever. That's terrific. That's

1:06:22

terrific buddy. Tell me how the back half

1:06:24

of his heavyweight career went. He

1:06:27

edged out a win against Anthony Smith,

1:06:29

who's not good when he probably lost

1:06:32

to Tiago Santos who has two knees

1:06:34

and is bad when he definitely lost

1:06:36

to Dominic Reyes. Probably

1:06:39

lost to Tiago Santos. Oh, come on. All

1:06:41

right. I scored. You know

1:06:43

what he didn't do though? He didn't actually lose. He

1:06:45

didn't lose. He won. That's terrific. But

1:06:47

he had awful performances against real bad fighters. Awful

1:06:51

performances and winning are better than losing.

1:06:54

Yes. I'm sorry. That's

1:06:57

how that works. I don't know. That's framed in

1:06:59

a very open-ended. I would rather have a good

1:07:01

performance against a good fighter and lose than have

1:07:03

a winning performance

1:07:11

against a shit fighter. Yeah,

1:07:13

in a vacuum when it comes to a

1:07:15

legacy resume conversation, your

1:07:17

whole thing was just how Beeb didn't lose. You

1:07:19

literally just said that moments ago. I wasn't mean

1:07:21

to just fuck with you. I'm not putting John

1:07:23

De De Loos. John De De Loos. John

1:07:26

De De Loos. John De De Loos. He lost.

1:07:28

Like I don't know how John De De Loos

1:07:30

is. You can feel in your heart that he

1:07:32

didn't. And that's okay. But it's on the scoreboard.

1:07:34

And I don't care that it shouldn't happen. It's

1:07:37

just so crazy. He put himself in a position

1:07:39

to kill him. Everybody John Jones beat was old

1:07:41

and a middleweight and he lost all these fights.

1:07:43

Oh, it's just crazy. I didn't say it was

1:07:45

all fights. He officially lost one. You can't be mad. He's

1:07:48

nuts. I don't know, man. He's nuts.

1:07:51

All right. The scoreboard is the scoreboard. I

1:07:53

don't know what to tell you. The scoreboard

1:07:55

is the scoreboard. And the scoreboard says John

1:07:57

Jones beat a bunch of Hall of Famers

1:07:59

and never lost. That's what the scoreboard says.

1:08:01

The scoreboard absolutely says he lost. I don't know how

1:08:04

you can deal with this. Who?

1:08:08

Unofficially his scoreboard, Rick.

1:08:10

He officially had a bad handball. So your evidence

1:08:13

is you're pointing to Matt Hamill. That's your thing.

1:08:15

You're like, Matt Hamill is the guy. Here's what

1:08:17

I've got. Rick, I've got you in a box.

1:08:19

Because either it's only the record that matters, and

1:08:21

then he lost to Matt Hamill, and you got

1:08:23

to wear it. Or it's not the record, it's

1:08:26

the vibe. And then he fucking lost to Dominic

1:08:28

Grant. He lost one of them. You can pick

1:08:30

which one makes you happier. But one of those

1:08:32

is an L, whichever way you want to hang

1:08:34

this. You can, hell,

1:08:37

he could have lost both, and he stole the goat.

1:08:39

What do you want? Like, what do you want? That's

1:08:41

fine. That's an okay position to have. But he's not

1:08:43

the right position. One of them. That's

1:08:46

fine. He didn't lose either of them. But you can have

1:08:48

it, and he stole the goat. That's not a deal. He

1:08:51

didn't lose, you can have it. He lost both, and

1:08:53

he stole the goat. How about that? Okay. There you

1:08:56

go. Absolutely think you're wrong.

1:08:58

Because again, you still haven't addressed the fact that

1:09:00

he's a chicken and a coward. And chicken can't

1:09:02

be good. Yeah. For that part, for that part,

1:09:04

for that part. I

1:09:07

got you coming in, boy. All

1:09:09

I know is there's a interim champion in his

1:09:12

weight class, and he's trying to fight, you know,

1:09:14

Alex, for a former middleweight. There's a secret campaign

1:09:16

being done against John Jones that I just, I

1:09:18

cannot get on board with. If

1:09:21

you ain't chicken, I'm gonna be wrong. Fight Tom Aspinall. Fight

1:09:23

Tom Aspinall. I'm gonna take a breath. I'll

1:09:25

never speak bad about you again. I

1:09:28

don't believe you, because I think you will fight

1:09:30

Tom Aspinall, and

1:09:33

I don't think you will admit that you have

1:09:35

to change your stance. I think you will fight

1:09:37

Tom, and I don't think you will change your

1:09:39

stance. I think you'll still find a way to

1:09:41

get the right hand shot at him. He

1:09:43

fights Tom Aspinall, stop going with chicken. But

1:09:45

what will happen, just like when he beat Shogun and

1:09:48

Rampage, I'm gonna be like, ah, Tom, would it be

1:09:50

like, ah, Tom, would it be like, if he beats Tom, what would

1:09:52

Tom win? But

1:09:54

in 10 years, in 10 years, you'll be like, ah,

1:09:57

Tom. Tom was just a guy. He was a... even

1:10:00

a heavyweight who knows what even with Tom

1:10:02

even a heavy that's what we'll be doing

1:10:04

is a new fighter we know Tom is

1:10:06

not passes all right look that's Tom great

1:10:12

questions about Dom okay we get Dom

1:10:15

here okay yeah it's 20 months there you

1:10:17

go chair the BTL we'll do this on BTL

1:10:19

we'll just do the whole show about the goal

1:10:21

yeah I don't want to have it I don't

1:10:23

want to have it we could do pound for

1:10:29

pounds and then we could do fight card

1:10:31

fight placement and then that

1:10:33

will be three rounds perfectly good BTL

1:10:35

I know in the final round be open scoring

1:10:37

hard-tied this yeah in fact it will what a

1:10:39

show it's gonna be I

1:10:45

think you care less about open scoring

1:10:48

does Alaga's ranking back odds on the Dom

1:10:51

fight yes Aldo's getting it right he has

1:10:53

to get his ranking back right yeah

1:10:55

for sure he will be high I think for

1:10:57

us and I'm interested to see what the UFC

1:11:00

ends up doing with him in there because I

1:11:02

know their rankings are nonsense anyway but like he's

1:11:05

beaten the number 12 guy and usually it's just like

1:11:07

okay we slot you in at 11 or

1:11:10

whatever 12 and we pump Martinez back but

1:11:13

because before he retired he was like six

1:11:15

I don't know how that's gonna track for

1:11:17

them so I'll be asking on

1:11:19

Tuesday can I ask something that

1:11:21

might sour the mood but like I feel like is

1:11:23

a legitimate question are we

1:11:26

100% sure the UFC wants to re-sign Jose

1:11:29

Aldo like is that no guarantee I

1:11:31

don't feel like that's a guarantee I

1:11:34

don't by any measure okay yeah I

1:11:37

don't mean to like put stink on it but like at the same

1:11:39

time like the fact that

1:11:41

they gave him his final fight without the

1:11:43

negotiation to me is like a sign of

1:11:45

like hey maybe it's not like a foregone

1:11:48

conclusion that Aldo is a UFC fighter because

1:11:50

they may not you know they may say

1:11:52

like hey this was great this Rio thing was

1:11:54

fantastic thanks for helping us all these tickets and

1:11:56

like now you know you can go do boxing

1:11:58

that'd be great and and support him in that.

1:12:01

So I'm not 100% sure. I

1:12:03

would venture to say that they will try to

1:12:05

resign him, but they're not going to pay him

1:12:07

a bunch. Because he, like

1:12:10

the couple of interviews pre

1:12:12

this event, he's like, yeah,

1:12:14

he maintains that he didn't come back to save

1:12:17

this card or whatever, that he was already talking

1:12:19

about returning. And that it just so

1:12:21

happened that this worked out, but that they

1:12:23

were talking about it before and the UFC wanted to

1:12:25

resign him before he came back, but he just wanted

1:12:28

to fight out and then kind of assessed

1:12:30

from there. So I think they would

1:12:32

resign him. I don't think they're going to back

1:12:34

up the brink struck for him. So we'll see how

1:12:36

it ends up. I think that

1:12:38

makes sense. Yeah. Okay. I

1:12:41

would say it's more likely than not, he does not return

1:12:43

to the UFC, but not like 55,

1:12:45

45%. He's

1:12:48

not getting a raise. How about that? If

1:12:50

he wants to resign, he's not getting a raise. Whatever

1:12:52

you got paid tonight will be his new contract. Who's

1:12:54

that? Who's that behind

1:12:56

Mike right there? Who's that? Just

1:12:59

an absolute legend. Just an

1:13:01

absolute legend. There he is. Look

1:13:03

at him. Game check. Oh, look

1:13:05

at him. Look at him. He's

1:13:08

a little legend. All

1:13:10

right. We got a few more super chats to roll through

1:13:12

these. Okay. Okay. We

1:13:15

still have a lot of shit we get in there. Who

1:13:17

is Matt Hamill? Thank you,

1:13:19

Achilles. Thank you, Achilles. There's

1:13:22

a movie about him. You can watch. Yeah.

1:13:24

We probably will end up doing it. Yeah. Kill

1:13:31

the villain. Anthony Smith ruined my 13 leg parlay at

1:13:33

20 bucks. It was a fan really happy for him.

1:13:35

I had the Smith ruin my perfect night betting. So

1:13:39

that means your parlay was just all favorites. You

1:13:42

just took every favorite on the card, which

1:13:44

I expect. It was cashing. Yeah.

1:13:47

That one in particular. Yeah. Yeah.

1:13:50

That's wild. Was Anthony Smith the only underdog?

1:13:52

Oh no. Was Otto underdog too?

1:13:54

Otto was the underdog. Smith and O'Gare the only

1:13:57

underdog you cashed tonight. Wow. Smith

1:14:00

the one that's surprising, Aldo's, oh whatever we talked

1:14:02

about earlier, Aldo one's surprising. That's being

1:14:04

an underdog. Rishi

1:14:07

Elgar had the comment saying Aldo cares about

1:14:09

legacy not money. Oh no,

1:14:12

no, no, no, no. One

1:14:14

of these just couldn't be more wrong. Aldo's

1:14:16

legacy is already rock solid. Yeah, that legacy

1:14:18

ain't paying his bills. He actually didn't really

1:14:21

improve his legacy that much in this game.

1:14:23

Unless he wins the Bantamweight title, that's the only thing

1:14:26

that will improve it. I

1:14:28

mean, maybe you were the goat, you

1:14:30

can only be so goated, you know? Oh

1:14:32

God, okay. Oh, we only be signing for

1:14:34

a Bantamweight title shot, I mean, whatever. I

1:14:37

mean, that's that would be it.

1:14:39

But yeah, one thing to add actually

1:14:42

Casey on that topic. So our own Guillerme

1:14:44

Cruz said Josie Aldo said at the post

1:14:46

fight presser. Oh, sorry.

1:14:48

I've stepped away from it. Post fight presser that

1:14:50

he has completed his UFC deal, but the promotion

1:14:52

still has the option to match whatever offer he

1:14:54

gets. So he will sit down with Dana White

1:14:56

to discuss the future. So that's interesting. They can

1:14:59

match offers with him. But

1:15:01

sometimes they wave that sometimes, you know, that becomes

1:15:03

a non-factor. He

1:15:08

likes the idea of skipping the

1:15:10

line straight for the Bantamweight title.

1:15:12

So Jed may get his wish

1:15:14

and maybe Josie Aldo gets Sean

1:15:16

O'Malley. I mean, if he loses

1:15:18

to O'Malley, which again, I think

1:15:20

I'd probably pick O'Malley, but what

1:15:23

else? Is it gonna be funky if O'Malley

1:15:25

starts feeling like I'm on Josie Aldo over

1:15:27

Marab? That could be stunned. I'm stunned. He

1:15:29

hasn't tweeted up. Yeah, I kind of thought

1:15:31

that would be like the first thing out,

1:15:33

but like also you could just do them

1:15:35

both. I know in O'Malley's grand plan, he

1:15:38

beats Marab and then fights Ilya. Ilya

1:15:40

has other business to attend to. So like

1:15:43

beat Marab and then fight Josie. That's fine, too.

1:15:46

There was so little interest for this card.

1:15:48

And poor Corey said they can live forever

1:15:51

sad. Yeah. That's a good

1:15:53

point, Casey. Yeah. No, because Sean

1:15:55

O'Malley was watching. He said something. Oh, he

1:15:57

liked the Michelle Pereira backflip. He

1:15:59

said that was bad. I believe yeah,

1:16:01

he was a nice dude O'Malley

1:16:03

auto makes a lot of money

1:16:06

wise price Yeah,

1:16:08

Rob makes more than Is

1:16:12

Aldo that guy though like the like pay-per-view draw

1:16:14

guy, I don't think he's like that Robert

1:16:19

is a story that you see did not get it

1:16:21

not good at selling that story and

1:16:23

I don't know. Yeah That's what more

1:16:25

I think you say you know pay-per-view draw

1:16:29

Yeah, I feel like it's a problem to

1:16:31

the point There's a simpler storyline of being

1:16:33

like this guy's like a in the goat

1:16:35

conversation Not the goat but in the goat

1:16:37

conversation and here's don't O'Malley's opportunity to knock

1:16:39

off like a real legend I think that

1:16:42

I think that could sell so maybe maybe

1:16:44

a little bit elevated above Marab I mean

1:16:46

Marab has been doing a good job selling

1:16:48

O'Malley the O'Malley fight. I feel like there's

1:16:50

something there I don't know. Anyway, I think

1:16:52

he's gonna get it But it would I

1:16:54

would be deeply amused if they gave I

1:16:57

know this Josie Aldo wouldn't get that fight

1:16:59

without Resigning for a decent length of time

1:17:01

for a decent amount of fights So

1:17:03

it's gonna really come down to that anyway,

1:17:05

you know, you would have to finish his

1:17:08

entire combat sports career Sign

1:17:14

a 6-8 fight deal, but they'd still probably let him be

1:17:16

like I'm retired. Let me go box. I'm like, okay, it's

1:17:18

fine Yeah, they already let him

1:17:20

do it. Yeah, but he's not nothing

1:17:23

Boxing on fight pass. He's not he doesn't have really a

1:17:25

hundred percent control of his boxing career It's not like he

1:17:27

can yeah, but I think you can jump on a jagpaul

1:17:30

card Okay.

1:17:33

Well said I'm

1:17:36

I'm I still don't know how the

1:17:38

contracts really work in this regard I would be

1:17:40

fairly surprised if it allowed them to Mac match

1:17:42

boxing deals and if he can go box Floyd

1:17:44

Mayweather, which is like a thing that was out

1:17:46

there for a little bit You

1:17:48

should do that. That would be a better choice for

1:17:50

you They can't I don't think I don't think a

1:17:52

boxing deal applies I think it would be an MMA

1:17:54

deal, but they also there's a matching period right? So

1:17:56

jose alto could see Wait, but

1:17:59

yeah And then we're fine. And

1:18:01

then he could sign anywhere. And then

1:18:03

they could, I don't know how long that matching period

1:18:05

is. Nine months to 12. Yeah,

1:18:07

which means they could freeze them for a

1:18:09

year, which made, he might just, which

1:18:11

would, oh, probably

1:18:14

sign business. All right. I

1:18:16

don't know. He just spent two years sort of

1:18:18

frozen. So it's fine. We'll find out.

1:18:20

We're going to find out because it'll play out over the next

1:18:22

couple of months. All right. Take

1:18:25

a couple more. It's right through these.

1:18:29

Oral by versus Jalen Turner. Jed, defend your son.

1:18:31

He's not my son anymore. We, we put him

1:18:33

up. We

1:18:35

went full Drake and just abandoned him. We

1:18:39

can't afford Jalen Turner anymore. We dropped him off at the

1:18:41

fire station. We just had to let him

1:18:43

go. I love Jalen Turner, treated

1:18:45

him like a son. And all

1:18:47

I ever got was sadness in return. So we,

1:18:50

unlike, you know, with

1:18:52

people, you know, I don't

1:18:54

want to, I don't want to say names. I

1:18:56

don't want them to know that I'm disappointed in them,

1:18:58

but, you know, former eight

1:19:00

time BGG world

1:19:03

champion. You might know her. I

1:19:07

have given up on Jalen Turner. He's, he's

1:19:09

out. We can't, can't, can't do

1:19:11

what he did against the money we're coming on. Don't

1:19:13

be my boy. All

1:19:15

right. That

1:19:18

fight sounds cool. I actually think that

1:19:20

fight's not bad. Yeah. It kind of goes

1:19:22

back into it right here. It's kind of a similar question.

1:19:25

What do we think about Ourobi? I think Broke would be a serious

1:19:27

problem to 155. I found you

1:19:30

guys for a hot minute about this guy. Yeah, he's good.

1:19:32

He's a little raw, but still

1:19:35

very, very good. Once

1:19:37

he puts it all

1:19:39

together, it's going to be tough for anybody

1:19:41

to beat that guy. He's 26. He's going to,

1:19:43

the guy's going to fight for a belt. Oh,

1:19:47

say that again. I want to hear what did you say. He's going to

1:19:49

fight for a belt. He'll fight for a belt. I

1:19:52

didn't see that tonight. I just saw a guy

1:19:54

who is 26. He's

1:19:56

raw. I was going to say, I don't know if I

1:19:59

saw that, but I'm also Like not expecting to

1:20:01

see that right? Like it's way too early

1:20:03

for me to feel I owe. You have

1:20:05

to show that in this fight you know

1:20:07

you saw. do you know he sort of.

1:20:09

I saw guy's name he can't spell and

1:20:11

who's wearing a funny hats and the hit

1:20:13

rate of people that matches that description and

1:20:15

being tough firefighters is one hundred percent. So

1:20:17

any out all Dell was Brenner tonight which

1:20:19

not allowed people body was gonna be able

1:20:21

to they'll. Agree. it's like I

1:20:23

was a one or a. Like impacts us

1:20:25

I go to our gratitude you like into

1:20:28

you like you know. Necessarily

1:20:30

future champion, but I'm also not expecting

1:20:32

to see future champion in in as

1:20:34

part of his career. Or

1:20:36

of he wins bell by the good. As an

1:20:38

employee, I've only gone through the leaps and bounds.

1:20:41

From what he was that I'd still pretty damn

1:20:43

good. My we just has

1:20:45

like a lot to do that are waiting for

1:20:47

a false. Map. Fight Dc

1:20:49

all in all of era to an

1:20:51

extent. Gamma is older than people think

1:20:54

they're use against the top five outside,

1:20:56

his arm on and and his arm

1:20:58

and all those dudes are not that

1:21:00

long for the top of this way

1:21:02

class citizens like when also just has

1:21:05

all these dudes that are just like

1:21:07

not rank that are like fucking sick,

1:21:09

like they're nasty, like the just got

1:21:11

my Billie Holiday like. Ridiculous.

1:21:15

It's. Crazy. Idea: Winter

1:21:17

Idea. That. Our our

1:21:19

decided I wanted outright our Japan with yeah

1:21:21

I know right? You know when last just

1:21:23

as nets are ranked phase is third time

1:21:25

They've endured over dirt over five from an

1:21:27

hour. Things are here to ourselves, you and

1:21:29

about. Ah sorry I was thinking close. Same.

1:21:32

Guard he was time I have a nap. Dark.

1:21:35

Different houses gov I somebody he

1:21:37

seems sad still first and I

1:21:39

was excited about your cards. I

1:21:41

like. Not. Isis is

1:21:43

just as I collect. all your life

1:21:45

and now. The upside of

1:21:47

that fight isn't like unafraid, like there's a

1:21:49

certain point where it's like that's actually like

1:21:52

a tough dude who it's not gonna more

1:21:54

you that that much and then it's almost

1:21:56

like you're kind of defeating the purpose you

1:21:58

know, Yeah. Blue. Leader

1:22:00

Reborn theme. Yeah.

1:22:03

All our lives like unseen fall on the car.

1:22:06

Guys are your top Thirty ish A Yelling at

1:22:09

a step back from Brenner. Things

1:22:12

I think a lot on things are alive,

1:22:14

right? I better like Twenty Five and my

1:22:16

readings. Adding

1:22:19

reddit readers as that Brenner went out and

1:22:21

beat down drunk without the let's say where

1:22:23

bragged very I put him very high and

1:22:25

on my list and was when he's in

1:22:27

a fight was unbelievable. Yeah.

1:22:30

But I was one of those ones where

1:22:32

he just like he was as a dog

1:22:34

right? Like he won by just Vienna. and

1:22:36

as with a dog alerted Rally Man city

1:22:38

limits for a while. This a shoebox guy

1:22:40

like those those guys are just they're all

1:22:42

he I love are usually keep in that

1:22:44

spirit alive and I respect the piss out

1:22:46

of it. The I just. Whatever,

1:22:49

bro on didn't I didn't get my ass

1:22:51

and we for ten minutes still hear. What?

1:22:54

She got him. And will not be

1:22:56

luckier. I'm I'm going to be better

1:22:58

now. like on a I'm ripping on

1:23:00

off Now is this This is. This

1:23:02

is what I'm signing your you're done

1:23:04

her toes or I wanted one quicksilver

1:23:06

Chad that's off topic. I'm off topic

1:23:09

of this card. both real quick of

1:23:11

doesn't When sex month. What's his Legacy?

1:23:13

How do we view and fall of

1:23:15

Man? That changes everything If dusted beats

1:23:17

Islam markets as in his first like

1:23:19

Proceeds Prime Yeah now be insane that

1:23:21

would look up Stuff is Legacy is

1:23:23

rock solid right now. He's probably. The

1:23:25

Best died to not hold the undisputed like

1:23:28

is or do we have anybody else who's

1:23:30

in that combo that I'm overlooking right

1:23:32

now like disrespectfully a lightweight. And

1:23:35

I'm just gonna who are the best? I did not

1:23:37

hold undisputed gold. If is

1:23:39

he probably would I. Am

1:23:41

trying to think he says if he's not a guy

1:23:44

he's he's one of those re I area where I

1:23:46

learned is right there am as far as someone else

1:23:48

may as right energy or in that conversation. And.

1:23:51

See gets it. It's game changer.

1:23:53

It's like The Legacy looks insane

1:23:55

on paper. like Justin Langer. Like,

1:23:58

as soon he faced. I

1:24:02

don't think is the second best light whatever

1:24:04

but it does bump them up several spots.

1:24:06

that's or I sort of. Maybe it will

1:24:08

be massive for his legacy. Like really massive

1:24:10

if he if. I

1:24:13

was are you find it we did on

1:24:15

some by her we do him he was

1:24:17

writing show something we served as just put

1:24:19

together list of the top twelve light weights

1:24:21

of all time which in insane that's is

1:24:24

the as best games ever heard of and

1:24:26

it was so hard because I wanted to

1:24:28

art I think of a bullet proof and

1:24:30

organ touch I'm like did thing in touch

1:24:33

him bully give I think to they're pretty

1:24:35

clearly it's to be been Bj and then

1:24:37

it's everyone else and then there was just

1:24:39

like six do just tear I think that

1:24:41

when would. Definitely elevate.

1:24:44

Dustin. Up to either three

1:24:46

or four as opposed to being kind

1:24:48

of in the rest of the tier

1:24:50

of lightweights arms. Would he not pass

1:24:52

Bj At that point? We just looked

1:24:55

like the and and I'm just looking

1:24:57

at the unjust Aids or talking a

1:24:59

number one piano and weather anomalies hundred

1:25:01

as the runway idea. Yeah, so long

1:25:03

for you to say in last season

1:25:05

he died or years Dustin passes him

1:25:07

that I think you have to put

1:25:09

Charles above Bj to. As high

1:25:11

as the idolizes I would say that Charles's

1:25:14

careers. Equally. As good

1:25:16

as dusters. Fight Isis as

1:25:18

you might have events as it. Charles's.

1:25:22

Staff reactors are going on too many. Children

1:25:26

are your group. Blake is your journey

1:25:28

is lightweight career not the featherweight. His

1:25:30

career junior lightweight ferrier as being I

1:25:32

think it's better than Dustin is currently

1:25:35

certainly and even if Dusting gets the

1:25:37

belt is he gets about the drops

1:25:39

it like immediately if he gets built

1:25:41

in the censure. but ah I think

1:25:44

it elevates. I'm actually elevates them I'd

1:25:46

I'd have to really. Laid

1:25:48

down to where it is. but I

1:25:50

just default to Bj because. Busy.

1:25:52

Was the best light were in the

1:25:54

world for eight years. So Prime Subprime

1:25:56

was insane for Bj. Yeah, he earns

1:25:58

unbelievable. But lightweight,

1:26:01

lightweight is such a good division that

1:26:03

it's hard. Habib is sort of the

1:26:05

default number one because he never lost

1:26:08

and that's a huge feather in the

1:26:11

cap. Everyone just beat the shit

1:26:13

out of each other at lightweight. So it's not

1:26:15

like there's a dude who has 10 title defenses.

1:26:18

Yeah. Even with Habib, it's not even

1:26:20

the losses, the dominance of the wins, but I can

1:26:22

say lead to it. Yeah. Habib

1:26:25

is a rightful one. No debate, no issue. Yeah. That's

1:26:28

fine. Where he ranked in

1:26:30

the goat combo is different, but like lightweight,

1:26:32

like yeah, Habib. For sure. Take

1:26:34

one more. It would be huge for us to win

1:26:36

it. Is

1:26:38

this quick? And it would legitimately be awesome. Lehoben

1:26:41

versus Smith, Pantoja versus Akayev. And

1:26:45

one quick just comment because I'd like this from

1:26:47

Forest Daniels. Forest, this

1:26:49

guy wrote from C on paper to a B

1:26:52

plus live. Jebeshu is an American treasure and an

1:26:54

icon of MA media. Mike Keck is incredible as

1:26:56

well. Thank you.

1:26:58

Much appreciated. Except being called

1:27:01

the treasure, I'm certainly not an icon

1:27:03

of anything, but not yet. I

1:27:05

love you nonetheless, Forest. Do you

1:27:07

feel like American treasure is below

1:27:09

icon? I do. Because

1:27:13

treasure is really just a statement

1:27:15

of your vibes. Like I treasure

1:27:17

you. Whereas icon is, it's an icon. It

1:27:21

is a widely accepted thing

1:27:23

amongst the broad consensus of populace.

1:27:26

But some conversations I've had in my

1:27:28

life, some rank icons, like compare icons

1:27:30

to chickens while others compare American treasures

1:27:32

to go. Mike, it's funny you say

1:27:34

that. Actually John Jones is right now

1:27:36

on Twitter talking to people and responding

1:27:39

to comments. And somebody asked John Jones,

1:27:41

John, what's most important to you legacy

1:27:43

wise, your impressive win record or quality

1:27:45

of opponents? You know, certainly people are

1:27:47

acknowledging the quality of opponent here. John

1:27:52

says, I would say the quality of opponents,

1:27:54

the majority of my MMA record. Our title

1:27:56

fights. That's what makes it rare. And you know what? like

1:28:00

having every fight be a title fight is an

1:28:02

impressive thing and Yeah,

1:28:05

John Jones the goat good answer

1:28:07

there from from John Jones I like that that happened

1:28:09

36 seconds ago and right as

1:28:11

we're wrapping up to this and so Jed

1:28:13

can't reply I mean end this show you

1:28:15

know the tweets where he's trying to pick

1:28:17

a fight with Alex prayer former You see

1:28:19

middleweight champion at heavyweight Can

1:28:22

you go back to the tweets where he's like

1:28:24

I'm not all that interested in interim champion Tom

1:28:27

I don't even really think that he's an interim

1:28:29

champion who cares doesn't mean just playing the game is

1:28:31

this time to negotiate And Alex for errors the

1:28:33

guy right now Look

1:28:36

me in the eyes do you honestly think you will have a fight

1:28:39

on that's wrong I Actually

1:28:41

do actually do but I don't think it's like

1:28:43

a get right guarantee by any means I don't

1:28:45

think it's a guarantee by any means, but I

1:28:47

but I actually ultimately do think you will fight

1:28:49

Tom I do I hope you are right, but

1:28:51

if you want to You

1:28:53

should be trying to fight Tom now and not

1:28:55

fight Tom later if he is only getting older

1:28:58

I think it's less about him and more about

1:29:00

the fact that I do think Tom will elevate

1:29:03

himself to like a tier where it Will be

1:29:05

you have to do John Jones versus Tom ask.

1:29:07

I'm very high on Tom I believe he will

1:29:09

get there and so I think Tom

1:29:11

needs to get real petty and just start

1:29:14

dropping diss tracks. No, he

1:29:16

just he's doing a better job altogether He's

1:29:19

the champion John doesn't exist that's how he now

1:29:22

no that's the wrong strategy no you need to

1:29:24

John into the fight. That's the absolute

1:29:26

wrong strategy look like a chicken at

1:29:29

him every time he talks Yeah,

1:29:31

you act like John doesn't exist in

1:29:33

this world like he is not a

1:29:35

person and then I get it We

1:29:38

can leave and we'd stop talking about John. She's

1:29:40

a person. He's the ghost John Jones Like

1:29:43

30 minutes no joke We

1:29:47

love you all we'll see love you are

1:29:49

so much. Thanks for staying with us. You're the best. Bye.

1:29:51

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