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2:02

right, everybody, those are the victory horns. And

2:07

they sound for Derek Lewis sends

2:10

the St. Louis faithful home happy one

2:12

lucky fan home with a used cup

2:16

and got to show

2:18

one quarter of the arena. His

2:22

hind parts after a win over Rodrigo

2:24

Nascimento. I mean, it

2:26

just perfectly capped off a

2:29

fun sort of weird, interesting

2:32

fight card for the ultimate fighting championship as

2:34

you welcome you to the UFC St. Louis

2:37

post fight show here and I may find out. Com. I

2:40

am Mike Heck. Chad Michaud is here. Mr. No gray

2:42

area himself. Oh, Jed. Hello, Mike. Sorry.

2:47

I'm also multitasking and

2:50

letting the brilliance of

2:53

Joaquin Buckley wash over me

2:55

as I just bow

2:57

to his his genius. Oh,

3:01

I would say there's a very, very

3:05

good chance. I'd say it's like minus 900 that

3:07

that'll be our largest segment in terms of

3:09

time today. But we'll get to that in

3:11

a moment. We're talking about a musical. Derek

3:13

Lewis, baby. Yeah. I

3:16

mean, we'll talk about their goals, of course, but then

3:18

we're going to get to walking Buckley. I'm sure he was

3:20

a big show stealer on this card and

3:23

joining us to talk about that and much more. New

3:25

York Rick back on the post fight show. And it's

3:27

always a true pleasure when that happens. How are we

3:29

doing, sir? Blessed

3:31

to be here on the back end of a

3:34

great Derek Lewis performance and just a banger from

3:36

walking Buckley and great use of his mic time.

3:38

So I'm excited to be here. I talk about

3:40

that with you. I'm popping.

3:43

I'm popping over

3:45

to a caffeinated beverage right now. So we're going to get

3:47

into this in a little bit. So I'm going to warm

3:49

it up. Let's talk about Derek

3:52

Lewis first, because he just

3:54

goes out and does everything he needs to do. Derek

3:56

Lewis has put himself in a position

3:59

where opponents really don't matter. rankings don't

4:01

matter. Title runs don't matter. People just

4:03

love him. They love him showing up

4:05

to media down Wednesday. They just want

4:07

to hear the man speak, maybe even

4:09

throw at a first pitch for their

4:11

hometown baseball team before going and watching

4:13

him compete inside the octagon. And

4:16

he knocks out Rodrigo Nascimento in the third round. I

4:19

don't think a lot of people were too surprised by that. And

4:21

then he has the big celebration. Good post

4:24

fight speech with Michael Bisbing. He's probably going

4:26

to get a couple of free alcoholic beverage

4:28

out of Mr. Bisbing as well. So Jed,

4:31

I'll begin with you. What would be great

4:33

Derek Lewis tonight? Uh,

4:37

Derek Lewis is beyond things like great.

4:40

He exists in his own stratosphere. It

4:42

doesn't matter. And he's, he knows that

4:44

as well. He's already kind of said,

4:47

probably the, the, I fight for the money

4:49

now. Not really caring about the

4:51

title such that he ever did, but he

4:54

does want to, you know, be better. He's

4:56

fighting for himself in these ways and we

4:59

don't need to give him a score because

5:01

who cares? Honestly, who cares? He

5:03

did the thing. He did exactly what we

5:05

wanted him to do. What this card was

5:08

functionally built around the idea that

5:10

he would do of, Hey, Derek

5:12

Lewis, just come in,

5:14

knock some dude out, take your pants

5:16

off, do something zany, say

5:18

some cool stuff on the mic,

5:20

have everybody leave here and we,

5:23

we finally bring an event back to st. Louis

5:25

first time in forever. Uh, let's,

5:28

let's send people out on a high note. And he did

5:30

that. Uh, there were reports when

5:32

it looked like maybe it wouldn't do it, but

5:34

he ultimately comes through, does it mythical third round

5:37

Derek Lewis shines again, just one

5:39

of the great mythical fighters of the sport. And

5:41

it was awesome. So props to you, Derek Lewis.

5:43

Like that was way to go. Near

5:47

director. There's just some fighters that

5:50

just, you just have a good time when they come

5:52

on and they do their thing. And Derek

5:55

Lewis just seems like one of those guys. There's

5:57

just most, pretty much anybody who watched that event.

6:00

no matter how they felt about the rest of the card, if

6:02

you went to the main event

6:04

and got through that third round, watch Derek

6:06

Lewis knockout Rodrigo Nascimento and

6:08

like see the celebration, everything that happened after the

6:10

fact, you had a smile on

6:12

your face. You felt pretty good about things. So Derek

6:15

Lewis gets it done. Your reaction? Yeah,

6:19

just Derek Lewis. It was

6:21

just a very Derek Lewis performance, like

6:23

first two rounds, randomly shooting

6:26

for takedowns, kind of a bit

6:28

of a slog, sloppy.

6:30

And then he finds the off button as he

6:32

is want to do and

6:34

takes off his pants and moons the crowd and

6:36

gets on the mic and says some outlandish stuff.

6:39

And everybody goes home happy. So this is

6:41

the Derek Lewis experience. And he

6:43

executed it to perfection tonight. It

6:48

was good stuff. Quote

6:50

from the post fight speech you could find

6:52

on our social channel. Couldn't let no taxi

6:54

cab driver from Brazil beat me. This is

6:57

my first time ever hearing of that guy.

6:59

It was great line. This is

7:02

my first time ever hearing of that guy is literally

7:05

what he says coming in

7:07

and out of every single fight. And it's not

7:09

a gimmick. He truly doesn't know who anybody any

7:11

of these people are. Makes

7:15

a lot of them. Yeah, but

7:17

what's he gonna do differently if he has

7:19

heard of the guy, right? Derek Lewis fighting

7:21

style is not adapted by any opponent based on

7:24

a game plan. Like does he have to

7:26

hear of these guys? Does he have to

7:28

do research? Oh, no, just show up and swing

7:30

the things like he does. So yeah,

7:32

today, today was Greco

7:35

Roman Derek, NCAA Derek

7:37

Lewis, as he

7:39

said before, he's the best blue belt in Texas.

7:41

So let's not, you know, denigrate his grappling, because

7:44

he's quite proficient. The

7:47

shorts came off. The

7:50

shorts come off. And then I don't remember

7:52

him doing this before. But Rodrigo

7:54

Nascimento on the ground referee standing over him

7:56

and after he moves to the shorts, he

7:58

fans Rodrigo Nascimento. Though. With.

8:01

The dirty shorts which I bow

8:03

a smash Funny is why. Tantalizingly

8:05

atomic. Get. There were of our

8:08

new accurate as he sees elevating the balls was

8:10

hot. Shorts off game. Now now there's the founding

8:12

of the opponent. Now there's the throwing. The cup

8:14

has been done before, but now there's us a

8:17

level of now tossing into the media and in

8:19

the mooning. The crowd by key is just continuing

8:21

to escalate. What started with the balls, our hearts

8:23

arm and I'm all for it. Like it seems

8:26

like people have a good time. With that I

8:28

certainly enjoyed it So or shutter to him and

8:30

to those gentlemen who caught the coffin celebrated like

8:32

you know he won. A Superbowl shouted to him

8:35

as well. I

8:37

mean. I. Talk while

8:40

I called the rankings and stuff don't matter

8:42

and dark as you to semen oppose you

8:44

know like I'm Debbie this can be fun

8:46

you know Darcos deciding but adds is weird

8:48

to do a matchmaking shown have to mastery

8:50

for Derek Louis just knowing they're not a

8:52

that matters but to me I didn't see

8:54

the stars in your fight that just the

8:56

way we have to do it on the

8:58

me seeger are undergoing would ah would you

9:00

like to see the are great doesn't even

9:02

matter who it is known your up as

9:04

a matter smears and name of heavy weight

9:06

loss tied to of Asa anybody who's gonna

9:08

stand and throw hands. With Derek Louis, let's do

9:10

it. I've as it doesn't matter if he's fought

9:12

them before, does it matter if they're highly ranked?

9:15

As a matter of their lowly ranked? As a

9:17

matter of their unranked if you will stand a

9:19

trade was Eric Louis. I will watch you fight

9:21

and I will watch Derek for you. So. Name.

9:24

I'm and and I'm in. Jedward

9:27

you like to see. I'm

9:30

him who's not down from the Jersey

9:32

New Fight at this point. Ridiculous. Rebellious.

9:34

Taken. The L is no other find

9:36

to make sense For either man to

9:38

finally pull the trigger on its foot

9:40

is also. It by. the

9:42

same token than matter i just don't

9:45

give him a guy named sergei and

9:47

fine songs you know trying to do

9:49

with the coward rodrigo nascimento tried to

9:51

do with the take downs does not

9:53

what we're here for when they're goose

9:55

is involved were here for the nonsense

9:57

and or give me someone who will

9:59

kill engage in the nonsense with him. Feed

10:03

the coward Waldo Cortezicosta to

10:05

Derek Lewis. After

10:08

that absolutely shameful performance from him, which I'm

10:10

sure we'll talk about. I'm

10:13

sure we're going. Oh, yeah, there's a very real chance

10:15

we're gonna talk about that. So

10:17

Derek Lewis gets in the wind calm. But let's

10:20

go to why everybody's here. Because people have

10:22

been hitting me up for the last hour

10:24

or so being like, when is the post

10:26

fight show happening? When are you guys going

10:29

to talk about this? People were like legit

10:31

thinking of Jedi. As Joaquin

10:33

Buckley was had a microphone being

10:35

held in his face by

10:37

Michael Bisway. They're waiting for our reaction to

10:40

everything that would transpire. So let

10:42

me set the table beautifully. UFC Atlantic

10:46

City happens not all that long ago.

10:49

And Joaquin Buckley goes out and

10:51

just beats the hell out of a sensei Luque

10:53

gets the biggest win of his career. He's now

10:55

going to be a ranked guy in a pretty

10:58

deep division and gets

11:00

on the microphone doesn't call it a

11:02

name says I wanna

11:04

I'm calling on Anheuser Busch. But basically just

11:06

like as a promo, I want to fight

11:09

in St. Louis. This is what I want to do

11:12

shows up at UFC 300 during the press

11:14

conference ill timed and a lot of people's eyes

11:17

yells at Dana during the presser I want to

11:20

be the main event of UFC St. Louis Derek

11:22

Lewis doesn't want to be the main event. Let's

11:24

just do this and Dana was just like no

11:26

bye bye we're wrapping up this press conference. He

11:29

ends up getting on this card and he

11:31

gets to fight near Sultan Rizabayev guy with

11:33

a nine fight winning streak tall dangerous

11:36

guy who's looked really really good as

11:38

of late and

11:40

Joaquin sort of a make or break moment

11:42

for him. He needs to go out and

11:45

deliver performance goes out wins

11:47

some rounds wins the third round looked

11:50

like he was just gonna there's points where he could

11:52

could have finished the fight key Peterson was just taking

11:54

in all the violence tonight didn't want to stop any

11:57

fights. I don't know if he was getting paid by

11:59

the minute or what whatnot. But

12:01

Joaquin Bucky gets a big win. St. Louis

12:03

crowd is screaming his name. Everything's coming up

12:05

Buckley here. Every single thing is coming up

12:07

Buckley. It's an A plus night for him.

12:11

And then he's asked the big question. He's

12:13

asked the big question, what do you want next? Because he

12:15

knows Michael Bisming is going to ask him. And

12:18

there were lots of names there Ian Gary,

12:21

Colby, Shafkat, MVP, the list

12:23

goes on and on and

12:25

on and on. And

12:27

Joaquin Buckley says there's only one name

12:29

to call out. It's a big, mighty

12:31

name. It's Conor McGregor. And the

12:34

collective groans amongst the MMA community

12:36

has been incredible, myself included. But

12:38

you can even hear it in

12:40

the St. Louis crowd when he

12:42

said Conor McGregor's name, they were

12:44

screaming, yelling and jumping. And everyone's

12:47

having a great time. And then he said

12:49

Connor's name and it was like you could it

12:51

was like a balloon deflating in

12:54

that building, even though they're still like, yeah, we

12:56

love you Joaquin, you could just feel the energy

12:58

levels leave. So Jed, I will begin with you

13:00

here. We're waiting for this

13:02

moment. Could could Joaquin deliver

13:05

in this pivotal spot? Because if he lost

13:07

this fight, would have been real bad for

13:10

him. But winning and doing the thing on

13:12

the microphone, it almost evened

13:14

out a lot of the bad plays

13:16

he was doing. I didn't even mention his MMA

13:18

our appearance, which was also not great. It would

13:21

have canceled a lot of this stuff out. He was

13:23

all looking good. And then he says Connor's

13:25

name and then goes on. And by the way,

13:27

let me also just say this before I let

13:29

you react to this. Everything before that point was

13:32

excellent from Joaquin Buckley talking about his grandmother, the

13:35

ALS, everything was fantastic

13:38

up until the Connor call but Jed, he

13:40

says Connor's name. What is your reaction to

13:42

this? Well,

13:44

it was a tough beat for me because

13:46

I was in our slack being like, Oh,

13:49

look at Joaquin Buckley. He's, he's doing okay

13:51

on the microphone. The grandmother ALS stuff was

13:53

like that was perfect. The hey, if you're

13:55

from St. Louis stand up. It's not just

13:57

me that brought this here. Y'all brought this

14:00

we did this, like all of

14:02

that was good. And then it's

14:04

like watching someone go through, you know,

14:07

the rings and they hit

14:09

the iron cross and they hit all

14:11

the cool things and then the dismount,

14:13

they just face plant dead on like,

14:15

okay, well, you score two and you

14:17

no longer get to win a medal.

14:19

It was just, you can't do that.

14:21

And there are some people who are

14:23

trying to defend this because I don't,

14:25

I genuinely don't know why. It's, we

14:28

just talk about all the time, Mike,

14:30

you have so very few opportunities to

14:32

exercise any level of controller

14:35

agency over your career. And

14:37

you just spent the biggest moment of

14:39

your career to this point. Maybe this,

14:41

this win is not maybe as meaningful

14:43

as the Luque one because that gets

14:45

you a, obviously a ranking, but

14:48

this is in your hometown. The crowd popped for

14:50

him. I was a little surprised at how over

14:53

he was. No, this is in St. Louis, but

14:55

still like he was very over there

14:57

in a way that I kind of didn't anticipate.

15:00

And they are with him for all of this.

15:02

And like you said, they can't even

15:05

support it because it's just stupid. It's

15:07

never, like, you know, you know that that

15:09

fight is never going to happen. And this

15:12

is not a situation where it's, well, it

15:14

can never happen if I don't call for

15:16

it. No, it can just never happen. There

15:19

is a 0% chance. And

15:21

so instead of taking the time to

15:24

dictate your future in the welterweight division, which

15:26

you didn't do for this one, you just

15:28

called for this weight, like this fight. And

15:30

all we did was talk about how this

15:32

is a very limited upside fight for you.

15:34

Yes, you are getting to fight in St.

15:36

Louis. You're fighting a tough dude who no

15:39

one knows about, which is like the exact

15:41

opposite of what you want to do. Now

15:44

you've done the same thing. You've given the

15:46

UFC no real reason to get behind you

15:48

in a meaningful way. You've exercised no control

15:50

over where your career is going. And one

15:53

of the few times you have an opportunity

15:55

to do that, if you'd gotten out there

15:57

and been like, Hey, you have

15:59

to do that. He's coming to Perth. There's

16:02

an Aussie dude out there who's like a top

16:04

six or whatever he's ranked and I would like

16:06

to get in there with Jack Dilla, Madelena. He's

16:08

not quite in the mood. He can't quite get

16:11

into a title fight right now. I want to

16:13

make there. Let me come to Perth. I'll fight

16:15

Jack Dilla. You know what's happening? He's fighting Jack

16:17

Dilla in Perth. That's what's going to happen for

16:20

him. Now who the hell knows? He might have

16:22

to fight some other unnamed Uzbek dude and

16:25

just like keep running the risk of

16:27

getting gassed up by somebody. It's so

16:29

bad and it's so

16:32

infuriating to watch this dude get the

16:34

ball to the five yard

16:36

line and then just punt it into the

16:39

end zone for a turnover. New

16:46

York Creek, so we were talking a little bit

16:48

before this. New York Creek doesn't agree

16:50

necessarily with what we're saying. He's

16:53

on that completely. He's looking this through a different lens. So

16:55

New York Creek, please. Not even a little. Why

16:58

was this an amazing call out from

17:00

Joaquin Buckley? No, please, please don't put those words

17:02

in my mouth. It was not an amazing call

17:04

out by any means. Let me preface this by

17:07

saying like I think Joaquin Buckley is like a

17:09

little bit goofy. Like I don't think I'm going

17:11

too far out of bounds to say that he's

17:13

just a little bit goofy. He

17:15

does stuff that's just a little bit random and doesn't really

17:17

like hit for me. It doesn't do it for me personally.

17:21

But this

17:24

idea that like the only time you

17:26

can convert any cash, any

17:28

cash in to getting what

17:30

you want is when you have that microphone

17:32

after the fight is kind of just not

17:35

real and not accurate. Like the conversion rate

17:37

on that is not high enough for me

17:39

to believe that like, yeah, you really got

17:41

this one opportunity when you hop on the

17:43

mic. And if you say that magic name

17:45

that really works for everybody, you're going to

17:47

get it. I've just not seen that to

17:49

be true. It's just not literally tonight. Bryce

17:51

Mitchell got a fight booked functionally with Sean.

17:53

What's that? Literally tonight that happened.

17:55

That fight is booked now on Twitter. Is that

17:58

fight booked? Is that fight going to happen? Like

18:00

no, but like acting is just doesn't ever

18:02

happen. We wonder leave an hour before this

18:04

is the problem You're you're you're reacting to

18:07

the yeah I accepted your fight on Twitter

18:09

and then if it doesn't happen it doesn't

18:11

happen Moikano has been calling for Patty for

18:13

a lifetime every time he gets a microphone

18:15

if he gets Patty Yeah, great That's successful

18:17

if he doesn't then we're not gonna go

18:19

back and do an accounting of all the

18:21

times that he called for him and didn't

18:23

Get him. You're just gonna go. Well, he

18:25

wasted the mic. The reality

18:28

is those conversions are not Like

18:30

super high like there's just not a reality

18:33

also Secondarily like very that's not the end of

18:35

that's not the end of his conversation with the

18:37

UFC like it does It's not he has the

18:39

mic and calls somebody and then all of a

18:41

sudden like there's no negotiation going on behind the

18:44

scenes He can't or his manager can't call for

18:46

Jack Dell and Madelena and get that fight to

18:48

the point where He went on to a microphone

18:50

at the biggest event of USC 300 at the

18:53

press conference and demanded He gets the headlining spot

18:55

and didn't get it. He doesn't have that kind

18:57

of power He doesn't have that kind of cache

18:59

where he can call a shot like that

19:01

And if he asked for XYZ opponent, there's

19:03

really no guarantee that if he hops on

19:06

the mic he gets it So alternatively knowing

19:08

that you're Joaquin Buckley and not Conor McGregor

19:10

and not somebody like Nate Diaz who can

19:12

kind of dictate your future in That way

19:15

getting the most attention on what you're doing

19:17

isn't a bad strategy Now

19:19

again, let me preface this I think it's

19:21

goofy. It doesn't work for me I'm not

19:23

interested in it, but there are enough people

19:26

talking about Joaquin Buckley and

19:28

what he said and creating graphics for

19:30

it and spreading the word that a

19:32

ho-hum call out of some Seventh ranked

19:34

guy isn't necessarily the best thing if

19:36

he's not guaranteed to get that seventh

19:38

ranked guy I will never I you

19:41

will never be able to convince me that this

19:43

idea that like the magic Microphone for guys like

19:45

Joaquin Buckley is going to guarantee that he gets

19:47

that fight. It's just not it's just not true

19:50

It is not true. Well, maybe that seventh ranked

19:52

guy tweet him and be like, yeah, it's on

19:54

sign the deal Sure. Does that mean they're ultimately

19:56

gonna fight? No, it doesn't and it's just not

19:58

it's just not a real That's the thing though,

20:01

Rick. I've never in any place did I

20:03

say yes, you do this and you are

20:05

guaranteed to do this But

20:07

it is exercising some agency as

20:09

opposed to whatever the UFC

20:12

is going to give you you're absolutely right He

20:14

can't guarantee him shit. I'm you know, this is

20:16

my time, baby. If you're right, it doesn't guarantee

20:18

him shit But being the

20:20

85th dude to call out Connor doesn't guarantee

20:23

him anything others in a night of us

20:25

saying that and everyone be like What

20:27

a douche like that was lame of him to be

20:30

the Institute who does that and yes, we're talking about

20:32

it But as I made the point to someone else

20:34

who were talking privately we'd be talking about if he

20:36

shit his pants I don't think it's a good idea

20:38

to go out there and take a dump in the

20:41

middle of the cage It's because we'd be talking

20:43

about it. I guess that's such a ridiculous platform

20:45

to be on him Well, we're talking about

20:47

it. Literally what? an

20:50

ideal It's literally what

20:53

did like Derek Lewis his old gimmick that we're

20:55

all enjoying at the moment is to do that

20:57

Like is to know he's not shitting himself. He's

21:00

taking his pants off. I am sorry

21:02

if he was a great example Instead

21:07

then then we're gonna sell that is a

21:09

substantially better post fight effort. It's just silly.

21:11

It's just silly The

21:14

post fight call-out is just like way

21:17

overblown He could you're

21:19

you're you're like, why could he not

21:21

go to Dana white or the matchmakers

21:23

and say, you know I actually do want JDM.

21:25

Hey serious moment here for a second get me

21:27

JDM He can so what so

21:29

why does he have to capitalize on that Mike

21:31

moment to get the tweet from JDM? Because it

21:33

is though it is better to get the tweet

21:36

It is better to get any amount of public

21:38

more people will talk about the thing more

21:40

people will talk about honor I miss you. What'd you say?

21:43

Some more people will talk about the random

21:45

Conor McGregor call-out more people will give attention

21:47

to that It will

21:49

be the umpteenth one. It will be the millionth

21:52

one It will continue to drive more attention than

21:54

a ho hum call out of some ranked

21:56

guy that you can do behind the scenes There's nothing

21:58

precluding it he can call out JDM, you can go

22:00

to this post fight press conference right now and be like, Hey,

22:03

you know, that was for the show. I was sitting there with

22:05

the mic and it was hot and the crowd's in front of

22:07

me. Calmer moment. I want JDM

22:09

like realistically or somebody asked him in the

22:11

post fight post fight press conference. You're not

22:13

going to get Conor McGregor. Who do you

22:15

actually want? Who's a realistic opponent for you?

22:17

JDM give them to me and everything's fine

22:20

and we move on. It's not, it's not

22:22

some like silver bullet magic magic bullet rather

22:24

that like you call somebody out in the

22:26

post fight and all of a sudden your

22:28

fortune is set. It's fine. It was

22:30

fine. It was, no one has ever said

22:32

that it guarantees the idea that

22:35

it does not at all play a

22:38

factor is objectively incorrect. It does. We

22:40

have seen people do this successfully. Law

22:42

Muhammad still hasn't gotten a title shot,

22:45

still has not gotten a

22:48

title shot. So what does that prove? He

22:51

has made what does the law have

22:53

to do with it? An awful call

22:55

outs after every one of his fights,

22:57

every single one he has made an

22:59

awesome doesn't disprove my point. No,

23:02

she hasn't called out. We talked to this has actually

23:04

been bad. What I'm saying is my, no, no, no,

23:06

no, no. Like he's making bad girl and not getting

23:10

your point is no, your point

23:13

was it means nothing. Doesn't move

23:15

you forward. Doesn't move you backwards.

23:17

No, that's not my point. My

23:19

point is no, no, no, no.

23:21

You're misunderstanding. My point is if

23:24

it's ultimately not some kind of essential

23:26

guarantee, if it is ultimately not something

23:28

that you're guaranteed to get, get

23:30

the most attention. Do what will get

23:33

you the most attention period. That is, that is the

23:35

move. If you, if you can

23:37

behind the scenes or even again at the

23:39

post-fight press conference or elsewhere, then say, actually,

23:41

look, obviously I know I'm not going to

23:44

get Conor McGregor. That was for TV. Get

23:46

me JDM. Fine. It's the

23:49

same thing. That's fine. It doesn't need to be

23:51

in that forum in that moment at that exact

23:53

thing to your point, below calling

23:55

for people and not getting them. Like

23:57

this, it doesn't matter. She's

23:59

fighting. backwards. That's the thing. He calls

24:01

out Usman or Colby and then he fights

24:03

Sean Brady. And yes, he wins that fight.

24:06

But still, like that's what he was getting.

24:08

He was getting Jeff Neal and getting Vicente

24:10

Luque, what he deserved better, but he would

24:12

have to call up the right person to

24:15

get him. Okay, so you have to call

24:17

up the exact right person that the U.S.

24:20

If you called out Hamza Chamayev after

24:23

either of those wins over Jeff Neal

24:25

or Vicente Luque, he would have gotten

24:27

Hamza Chamayev. One right thousand. Hamza Chamayev,

24:30

but it can't be Kamaru because Kamaru who fought

24:32

Hamza, that's not the Who is the champion? That

24:34

doesn't make sense. Who is the champion? He

24:36

calls out Tye shot after being like the 11th right

24:39

dude. I

24:41

think you're being potentially obtuse about this. I'm

24:44

not. I think you are vastly

24:46

over-explanating this idea of like nailing

24:49

this one person in this specific

24:52

moment. No, you're misinterpreting what

24:54

we're saying. Maybe I'm

24:56

Mr. Booger saying, I'm saying just because

24:58

you call out a guy doesn't necessarily

25:00

mean that you get it. Look at

25:02

what JDM did after he beat Gilbert

25:05

Burns. Did he call Conor McGregor to

25:07

get attention? No. He called up fucking

25:09

Hamza or Shafkot Rachmanoff and we everybody

25:11

around the MMA community praised him unanimously.

25:13

There's not one person who was like,

25:16

oh, this is bad use of the

25:18

microphone. We were like, damn, this guy's

25:20

a gangster. He might not get this

25:22

fight, but he could. And if he does,

25:24

like I want to watch it. What

25:28

he built up just for that

25:30

callout was fantastic. He became even

25:32

after Sean O'Malley put on the

25:34

performance that he put on, even

25:36

after MVP made his debut, even

25:38

after Dustin freaking Poirier went out

25:40

there and busted up Benoit Santadi.

25:43

Still one of the top storylines

25:45

coming out of UFC 299 was

25:47

JDM's comeback whenever Gilbert Burns, but

25:49

not only that the fact that he called

25:51

out the. Yeah, I don't agree with that. I don't

25:53

remember having that kind of show. It didn't have

25:56

that kind of. Yes,

26:00

it did. It did it. It absolutely did.

26:03

Nobody remembers it. Absolutely did. When?

26:06

I actually did. I think we just aren't

26:08

going to agree on this because fundamentally part

26:10

of what you were saying, Rick, I think,

26:12

if I'm wrong, feel free to correct, is

26:14

that just like max attention is the best.

26:16

Whereas again, I just disagree fundamentally

26:18

with that. I understand that as like

26:20

a premise of marketing,

26:23

but like, I don't know, I think bad

26:25

attention is bad attention. My

26:27

question for you, and I'm genuinely interested in this, so

26:30

I referenced it before, Sean Woodson

26:32

calls out Bryce Mitchell. Now, that fight may not

26:35

end up getting booked. However,

26:37

do it on the other side. If Sean Woodson goes

26:39

out there and calls out Conor McGregor, maybe

26:42

we talk about a little more because Conor is the biggest star in

26:44

the sport, and that's the thing that happens. For

26:47

me, I

26:49

am more interested in him calling out Bryce Mitchell,

26:51

and Bryce Mitchell responding because now I am thinking

26:53

about a fight with him that I would not

26:56

have thought about previously, and then I

26:58

probably like I'm not going to spend a ton

27:00

of time because Bryce Mitchell is Sean

27:02

Woodson, but that is a thing that

27:04

we may get in actuality, and I

27:06

am now thinking, as opposed to my

27:08

two reactions to the call out of

27:10

McGregor are that stupid, and if you

27:12

are in a prime position, that's real

27:14

stupid, I wish you did better. Like

27:17

because we made to we are talking about it

27:19

now because there's not like frankly, a whole ton

27:22

of stuff to talk about tonight. But like the

27:24

conversation ends in the next three

27:26

hours. No one will talk about this ever again.

27:29

And so whereas like next week, I might

27:31

think, oh, Sean Woodson, Sean Woodson. No, you

27:33

won't. You

27:35

won't think about Sean Woodson and Bryce Mitchell.

27:38

I will think about it exactly the same amount of

27:40

times I will think about Conor McGregor

27:42

versus Joaquin Buckle. That's

27:45

right. So because you'll think about

27:47

them exactly equal, which is not much at

27:49

all, then that makes the point, yes? Like

27:51

it's not that significant. It doesn't really. That's

27:53

something I think that makes the point for

27:55

me because if they are equal, one of

27:57

these has at least in some way. potentially

28:00

manifested a real thing for fighter X down

28:02

the line. Whereas the other has no chance

28:05

of doing that. And that's my

28:07

point. Again, I'm not saying that it is

28:09

you only have to, and this will absolutely,

28:12

I'm saying you have limited time and this is

28:14

a way to make something happen. It is

28:17

not a guarantee, but you have

28:19

done nothing by calling Connor, except

28:21

for us mocking you for the

28:23

evening, which again, for marketing,

28:26

maybe that has some value. I just

28:28

disagree that that is meaningful, good value. Let

28:30

me simplify my point because I feel like it's getting a little

28:32

bit confused. A

28:34

fighter of the caliber and standing in the

28:36

company of Joaquin Buckley isn't calling his

28:38

shot, period. That's just not how it works.

28:42

And so ultimately, this idea

28:44

that it's going to advance

28:46

you a little bit closer, I just don't agree with

28:48

it. I just don't think it happens. That

28:51

fight will potentially be proposed to him. Maybe it won't,

28:53

maybe it will, but I don't think it will hinge

28:55

upon that call-out. When you're

28:57

getting to the upper echelon, when you are

28:59

getting to the level of the Connor McGregor's

29:01

or Michael Chandler's, those

29:03

level of fighters, then

29:05

the use of the mic time, I

29:07

think is more important. I would still

29:10

say that it is overestimated to

29:12

a high degree by many people in the MMA space, but more

29:15

significant. I just

29:17

don't see enough of a

29:19

huge return that I would rather, personally, I would rather

29:21

have the attention. I would rather,

29:23

at least even if it's fleeting, even if it's for that night, even

29:27

if it's for everybody to say, this is goofy,

29:29

again, I will restate my position. I think it

29:31

is extremely goofy and it is not for me,

29:34

but I think that is a better strategy,

29:37

wholesale. That's it. Joaquin Buckley are

29:39

not in position to really call the shot. I

29:41

get it. I just think we were just fundamentally

29:43

opposite here and we're never going to agree. Oh,

29:46

yeah. We're not even going to meet in the middle here.

29:48

It's just not happening and that's fine. And you know, at

29:50

the end of the day, wouldn't have mattered anyway, because Derek

29:53

Lewis stole all his shine anyways with what

29:55

he did post fight. So it doesn't matter if he made

29:57

the perfect call. If you call MVP in Manchester and MVP

29:59

tweeted in Bats, I could have 1

30:01

million percent see that happening and actually that's what he should

30:03

have done I said he should have done that after the

30:05

Luque win, but It

30:08

didn't matter. Why can't he fight in BP though? He

30:11

can still fight him and he can still my idea

30:14

It could happen. It could

30:16

it could and it's

30:18

not gonna not because he didn't call him out

30:20

in the post fight Right, but I think the

30:22

percentages drop a little bit is what I'm trying

30:24

to say because it looks bad When you when

30:27

the lights are on you brightest and you use

30:29

your moment to do something and

30:31

then you do interviews after and you're

30:33

like Nah, I made a mistake. I actually

30:35

want this like it I

30:40

Honestly, I've ever seen a

30:42

crowd like react

30:44

mid interview negatively To

30:50

be like oh hell yes stand up st.

30:53

Louis and then they're like, oh His

30:56

like like his own I would kind of

30:59

turn out So

31:02

bad never I'll never forget that sound that

31:04

was like the ground ball back to chief

31:06

folk in the World Series Whether Red Sox

31:08

or brother where the World Series that's like

31:10

Keith folk instead of under hitting the ball the

31:12

first to the first baseman He throws the ball

31:14

into the crowd and the Cardinals go

31:16

on a big run. It was just freakin It

31:19

was just so funny to hear it. I'm like,

31:21

all right, here's your chance Like it's all right

31:23

there for you. Okay, come on, man. Do the

31:25

thing do it, please Any call

31:27

Connor and I was like, oh my

31:29

god and just the sound of that

31:32

crowd Just spoke

31:34

it just spoke. It was layers. We have

31:36

both guys We also say what?

31:40

You said the use of the easiest bonuses of

31:43

all time Just

31:45

the one thing is get lost in the sauce. Well

31:47

done. Walking Buckley like for the fight

31:51

There were parts with that in love but like you

31:53

took on a we talked about it beforehand

31:56

This is a tough opponent. Not a huge

31:58

name a lot of risk minimal reward And

32:00

you came out as well as you could from the fight

32:03

part of it. Like you did a

32:05

very good job on a quick turnaround

32:07

in the co-main event of your hometown. Sure,

32:09

you made the crowd kind of groan, but overall,

32:12

still well done, and you deserve your praise for

32:14

that. I completely agree.

32:16

It was an

32:18

A-plus night for him up until he

32:21

said Connor and then called Connor's ancestors

32:23

hose. And then, yeah, that's

32:26

kind of how that all went. But what I

32:28

was like, I'm not into that part of it

32:30

either, but that's a whole separate thing. Yeah, it

32:32

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34:17

What do we get for bonuses? What do you

34:19

think? You said it's the easiest one. There are

34:21

some good ones here. Older.

34:23

They're lighter than I is they're not a fight in the night. That's

34:26

the question as well. This is a fight in the night.

34:28

Oh, they're sure it. It's Waters, right? And

34:30

yeah, Waters golf is for sure. Friday night. Yep.

34:33

I'm trying only two of these finishes. What was

34:35

the other crazy knockout? Oh,

34:38

Olberg and Riebevich. Chance McKinney is still

34:40

laying against the cage. Riebevich

34:43

and Olberg and the Waters and

34:45

and golf fight. Correct.

34:49

Correct. What? Riebevich

34:53

did not get a bonus. What?

34:56

I'm kidding. I swear to all that is

34:58

holy. Unless they're making

35:00

a new graphic. Carlos Olberg

35:03

gets a bonus. The

35:06

39 year old gentleman himself, Carlos

35:09

Di Riebevich,

35:24

not getting a bonus is like stupid. It's

35:33

the dumbest thing that happened tonight.

35:35

That's that's one of that is that

35:37

is going to be a that is going to be in

35:39

the knockout of the year conversation at the end of the

35:42

year. I don't know. He's the

35:44

best knockout of the year of the night.

35:46

Yeah. He had Terrence McKinney talking

35:48

while he was unconscious to himself.

35:53

Yeah. Like that was scary.

35:55

Hopefully not too high. I'm confused. Just

35:57

in. the

36:00

land of forever thumped to the cage. I

36:03

can't believe that. I didn't even

36:05

look, I was like yeah, 100%

36:09

Alberg and Riebovich got it and then 100% Watersmoth.

36:12

Like I didn't have to consider this. And

36:15

then I was like oh that sucks for CDF, good performance

36:17

but not the kind that gets bonuses. Wow.

36:21

Yep. That's crazy. Truly

36:28

just an error. That's just an unforced error.

36:30

That's a real bad mistake right there. Dude,

36:33

I feel bad for Riebovich's coaches and he

36:36

was doing the money sign after. Everyone was like

36:38

yeah, you got a 30 second KO. Twitter

36:41

was like just pay him. He's obviously going

36:43

to get it and they didn't fail.

36:45

I mean

36:47

even Chase Hooper didn't get up.

36:50

Chase took him freaking incredible. He

36:52

dropped a 10-7 in most people's eyes

36:54

and then gets the weird finish but

36:56

Chase looked great. And

36:58

it was just like yeah, he's not going to get a bonus. Well, it's

37:00

also just like he's not going

37:03

to get a 30 second knockout. Yes,

37:05

these two KOs were like obvious,

37:07

like the most obvious in a decently

37:10

long time to be like yeah, pay

37:12

these guys. What is happening here? Anyway,

37:16

we're drawing on about it but like yeah, that's crazy stuff.

37:19

Yeah. Yes, Karl

37:21

Sölberg, 12 second knockout, dude is

37:23

a savage. Shout out to

37:26

Alonzo Menafield for just running right into fists

37:28

because that's essentially what he did. And I

37:30

don't know why guys just continue to

37:33

go into these fights and be like hey, I'm just going

37:35

to run at him and that'll

37:38

get him. And then he just knocks them out in a

37:40

minute like every single time. Dude's

37:42

got the death touch right now. He's looked real good. It's

37:44

going to be real interesting. I want to see him in

37:46

Bogdan fight. I think that's just fun as hell and someone's

37:48

going to sleep real quick. I

37:50

mentioned Diego Fajeta, what a performance against

37:53

Vatush Rubecky. Rubecky coming in on this

37:55

nice streak. Was Rubecky the biggest favorite

37:57

on the car, Jen? Yeah.

38:02

He was the biggest player on the card in CDF. The

38:04

only thing in case I missed someone, but I'm pretty sure.

38:07

Zareche is like my 500. Hadley

38:09

was a pretty big one though, but I don't remember

38:12

exactly how big. Hadley, I can

38:14

look that up. Yeah. Sean

38:16

Woodson meets Alex Kocheris. I don't –

38:18

let me just say this. I'm going – if

38:21

there's one fight on this card I'm going back

38:23

to rewatch, it's Sean Woodson versus Alex Kocheris because

38:26

I just don't see a world where Alex Kocheris didn't win the

38:28

third round. Like I

38:30

just don't see it. I just don't see it.

38:33

And I thought Kocheris won two. Like I

38:35

think if there was a question to be

38:37

had on one of those rounds

38:39

going to Sean Woodson, it would have been, okay, maybe

38:42

I could see you giving round two to Sean Woodson. Like

38:45

maybe I could see it. Round

38:47

three, I just – I didn't see it.

38:50

All three judges, all three

38:52

of them scored round three for

38:54

Sean Woodson. I actually

38:56

think three was the close round. For me, I

38:58

had Kocheris, two and three. Like

39:01

I had Kocheris winning two and three. But if

39:03

one was a toss-up, I would have said three

39:06

because I think two, he kind of like completely changed the

39:08

momentum, took it over and did way better work. And Woodson

39:10

kind of looked a little bit lost in the sauce. The

39:12

third, I think Woodson was like – the volume

39:14

was lower, but he was landing some pretty clean,

39:17

pretty decent shots. I just thought Kocheris was a

39:19

little bit better there. So I

39:21

think third was the toss-up for me. But I had him

39:23

winning – I had Kocheris winning two and three. So

39:26

I was surprised to hear 30-27 Woodson truly. I

39:29

thought he had to win one of those

39:31

rounds, although I will say it was

39:33

kind of like not – neither guy

39:36

put their impression on that fight in some

39:38

major way. You could walk away with some

39:40

crazy cards for that, so I'm not surprised

39:43

that we did because if you leave it to judges of

39:45

MMA, they will find ways to do that. But I had

39:47

Kocheris two and three. So

39:51

I was a little bit shocked by 30-27. Yeah.

39:54

I had Kocheris two and three, but I was not

39:56

paying attention to the third round that closely, so. So

40:00

I'll go back I'll go back every watch so

40:02

you know about two-thirds of the media had katara's

40:04

winning and The

40:06

rest had Woodson winning. So you guys

40:09

are pretty much right on. Yeah,

40:11

we're in the majority here Yeah, yeah,

40:14

I think one meeting at 3027 and he should

40:16

probably just not do this anymore With

40:22

the local boxing judge who scored at

40:24

3027 for shot woods and which

40:27

we found out but yeah good win for Sean

40:30

Colso Bryce Mitchell Bryce Mitchell responds

40:32

before the interviews even over. I

40:34

mean Already made so I said

40:37

one of six fighters watching tonight apparently

40:39

not a lot of fighters You

40:42

know who you could go with count on Hana

40:44

to muy canto. He watches every color is money

40:46

up a storm Yeah money more

40:48

you can count on him Watching

40:51

hana to muy canto watch along with chase

40:53

super slight was one of my favorite things

40:56

That's great What wasn't

40:58

great was I mean we should definitely

41:00

talk about this chase super looked tremendous

41:03

Esteban Rievich KO the air contender

41:05

for sure Tabitha

41:07

reachy defeats Tisha Pennington shark

41:10

NATO Sorry, it is

41:12

Gerald. I thought If

41:16

I ever see you on site, I don't care that

41:18

you're like seven inches taller than me

41:21

You and you are the you are

41:23

the origin of the shark NATO you

41:25

have coined it for the

41:27

eye I Feel like I

41:29

did. I mean I can't say that definitively But

41:33

I've been big up in the shark NATO plan and

41:35

Fitzy Fitzy came with it. I Mean

41:38

we know he watches because everyone watches

41:40

the in May fighting podcast network and

41:42

YouTube channels So that friend

41:44

and then on a few times spin on him. He's I'm in

41:46

on a few times But

41:49

I mean use the gimmick well and then

41:51

Laura Sanko was just blown away the whole time I

41:53

still can't believe he came up with that even biz

41:55

being they just kept talking about the shark It was

41:57

great. I didn't realize that it came from inside. I

41:59

didn't realize that came from inside our

42:01

own organization. Well, I mean, that

42:03

was really like half of the deal. I'm not good about

42:06

it. Oh, yeah. We were

42:08

thinking we had people chime in with

42:10

different sort of disaster animal combos was

42:13

Gatorquake. You know what? Now

42:16

I'm more like riled up. I do think

42:18

we need to have a word with Brendan. Like I think

42:20

we need to like press this. What's

42:22

your Derek time? Gatorquake. Gatorquake

42:25

lazy bed. That's the way

42:27

God on the broadcast. Is

42:29

Gatorquake an actual like B movie one? Is

42:31

that an actual? I'm

42:34

in the Friday Gatorquake and orca. Orca.

42:38

Okay. We're

42:40

gonna have a lot of fun with this. It was

42:43

the best and when Fitzy dropped it, I was like,

42:45

he knows. Fitzy

42:48

with no bed bar and watches BTL. No

42:51

doubt about it. Trey Waters, Billy Goff,

42:53

tremendous fight. Shout out to New England zone. Billy

42:55

Goff. It's just that's every

42:57

Billy Goff fight, by the way. Like

42:59

literally every Billy Goff fight is that.

43:01

So always the game. I love

43:03

that. So I'll watch you for more of

43:05

those. Thank you. Yeah. You fun. Yeah. Fun.

43:08

Charles Johnson gets a win over J. Cavillie

43:10

at home. Veronica Hardy continues on. She gets

43:13

another victory. St. Louis 3 and

43:15

O tonight. The St. Louis parlor. Oh, yeah. I

43:17

didn't even think of that. Yeah,

43:19

that's right. Well, I man, I thought

43:21

Woodson lost, but I mean, yeah, that's

43:23

that's a solid work by the St.

43:25

Louis folks out there. They stood up

43:27

represented. They sure did. Well,

43:31

let's talk about one other fight that got a

43:33

lot of attention. It was the main card opener

43:35

for this card. Heavyweights. A lot of people had

43:37

their eye on this one. It

43:40

was Robella Sespe and Cuba zone

43:42

who just doesn't fight for more

43:44

than 18 seconds. You

43:46

fought for like 18 combined seconds and his three

43:48

prior fights. Goes to the UFC fights for 19

43:51

seconds long night at the office for him. Tonight

43:54

he fights Waldo Cortez Acosta. And

43:58

this is the feel

44:00

like this isn't a victory

44:02

lap, but I feel vindicated

44:04

because this this fight came up on

44:06

on to the next one. And I was like, don't do

44:08

that. Please do not book this because this

44:10

is not going to be fun. And

44:12

people are like, I think you're crazy. Like you still

44:14

gonna get them out of there. No, this is why

44:17

you stay away from these kinds of fights. You

44:19

stay away from the risk that rebellious might actually

44:21

be tackled in his second UFC fight. You let

44:23

this man go out there and you let him

44:25

as Jed like to say, you let him be

44:27

the big booper. You let him boop. And then

44:29

we move on to the next one. And then

44:31

eventually we know he's going to get tackled in

44:33

a fight and lose. But let's at least have

44:35

some fun until we get there. Waldo

44:38

Cortes Acosta fights the perfect game

44:40

plan fight, just kind of waits

44:42

for a bellows to swing as hard as he can

44:44

and hit real hard. takes him down.

44:47

We realized a rebel is to Spain after UFC

44:49

29. And he's like, you guys think I'm a

44:51

great striker wait till you see me grappling. I'm

44:53

really good at that too. Turns out

44:55

not too good on the ground. Waldo just kind

44:57

of like position and had

44:59

very little trouble doing so

45:02

and just

45:04

not what we expected here. So

45:06

near Greg, rebels. Yeah, yes. Why

45:11

does every striker say that? Why

45:13

does every striker feel they need to be

45:15

like, I'm a man I'm an amazing striker

45:18

but wait till you see like when Israel

45:20

to sign in Alex for like my ground

45:22

game wait till you see my sneaky underrated

45:24

ground game. Let's never be black belt Alex

45:26

Pereira. Thank you very much. I don't want

45:28

to see it. I don't care. It's probably

45:30

not any good as we've seen from you

45:32

just mentioned that display and is like saying

45:34

that I don't give a shit.

45:37

Don't show me your black belt. I want

45:39

to see you strike. That's what I'm watching

45:41

for. Why does every strike would do this?

45:44

I'm one of the best strikers

45:46

who's ever walked this effing planet.

45:48

I'm amazing. But man, you should

45:50

really see my bluebell BJJ. No,

45:52

thanks. Nope. Don't care. Don't need

45:54

it. Save it. Keep it at home. Anyway,

45:57

that's just like I hate that I hate that so much. when

46:00

they always talk about this shit. Yeah,

46:02

Ian Gary too said he's, because

46:05

oh, I'm telling you right now, I might be

46:07

the best grappler pound for pound of the world and you guys

46:09

just don't know it. Just a lot of it. Don't believe it,

46:11

guys. Just never know. Just remember people who don't wanna see it.

46:15

Oh, what a gimmick, what a gimmick. But

46:18

yes, Newkirk, we watched 15 minutes of this

46:20

fight. Didn't think we'd get past 15 seconds

46:22

to some degree, but boy, we got

46:24

the whole thing here. Do you, did you

46:26

get your money's worth it? If so, how much money did

46:29

you get? Thankfully, I wasn't inventing

46:31

much of this. Yeah, I wasn't paying too much

46:33

to watch this. I

46:36

have three thoughts coming off this. Number

46:39

one, don't hate

46:42

Cortez Acosta's game plan. Like I

46:44

find it hard to argue with the idea of

46:46

like, this is my path to victory, I should

46:49

take it. I know a lot of fans don't

46:51

love this, but I blame that more on booking

46:53

than the game plan, right? Like if you are

46:55

facing this opponent, that should be what

46:57

you do, right? You should make it a grindy kind

46:59

of takedown fight. He has no takedown defense as we've

47:01

clearly seen, and just be there. So

47:04

that's number one. Number two, if

47:07

you're gonna do that though, and he looks as hapless on

47:09

the ground as he does, Cortez

47:11

Acosta, like, man, you probably should

47:13

have finished that fight. Like that's not a good sign

47:15

for you on the rest of your UFC

47:18

career. Like that dude was drowning,

47:20

and you couldn't take him out of there?

47:23

Not great. Like you should be able to smoke

47:25

him once you have it on the mat. So

47:27

not good there. And then third, like to

47:30

spawn, like it's time to get in camp

47:32

with Derrick Lewis and learn just get up.

47:34

Like you need to be in the lab,

47:36

learning the big man strength based moves to

47:39

just get off your ass when you're in

47:41

that position and doing nothing

47:43

else. Cause like clearly the grappling is not gonna

47:45

be there. It's too, you're too long in the

47:47

tooth and you're too young in the MMA game.

47:49

He probably should be on the regional scene and

47:51

not fighting like UFC level opponents at this point

47:53

in his career. So he's probably in a bad

47:55

spot just in general. Like it's not gonna get

47:57

any easier and it's probably gonna go pretty much

47:59

like. this from now on, but you

48:01

need some moves that get you off the bottom ASAP.

48:03

And who better than Derek Lewis? Like he has proven

48:06

time and time again that he's able to do that.

48:08

So figure out what kind of things

48:10

he's doing, what kind of technical things he's

48:12

doing and, and using his size to

48:14

be able to do and replicate that

48:16

and add that to your arsenal and

48:19

then hope that most people stand up with you. And if

48:21

they don't use that, but those were my

48:23

three thoughts immediately. I

48:27

mean, anything you want to add

48:29

to that, Jen? I mean, it's just so, I

48:31

agree with so much that Derek just said there.

48:34

I agree with almost all of it. Um, and by

48:36

I agree with all of it, my, my three thoughts

48:38

were, um, one, shout

48:40

out Josh Parisian, you understood the assignment,

48:43

uh, obviously, while the Cortezicosa did

48:45

not understand the assignment, um,

48:48

to. We

48:52

shouldn't be surprised, right? I just started

48:54

fighting two years ago. He's a,

48:56

he's a, he's been a Taekwondo fighter his

48:58

whole life. And he's literally started MMA like

49:01

less than two years ago. It's

49:03

not stunning that this happened, but like

49:06

my view. And I think most people was like, well,

49:09

I don't, I don't, I don't think, well,

49:11

the Cortezico says ever shot a takedown in

49:13

UFC. He's a former

49:15

boxer slash baseball player or whatever. So it's

49:18

like, yeah, he's just going to stand

49:20

with them. I was like, maybe he's just

49:22

really durable, but then he fought very smartly.

49:25

And third, I hate it and think it was

49:27

lame because it's not the outcome I wanted. Objectively

49:30

a very smart game plan. And also

49:32

just like kind

49:35

of impressive and the totality of the game

49:37

plan. Cause the game plan wasn't just, I

49:39

will tackle him and then he will no

49:41

longer hit me and I will win like

49:43

on the feet. He was doing a lot of

49:45

things to force Robellis to, to

49:47

get into clinching position. You know, he

49:50

was drawing him in, fading against the

49:52

fence, kind of covering up, very aware

49:54

of what Robellis was trying to hit him with and trying

49:56

to get to his spots in a

49:58

pretty educated way. Super disappointing

50:00

he couldn't finish this but it's not really disappointing

50:03

because Walter Cortezicosa is not very good at fighting.

50:05

He's like a fine heavyweight. He's just not, he's

50:07

not a top 15 kind of talent. But it

50:09

was a bummer that he did not understand the

50:11

assignment at all and thought he was there to

50:14

win when he was supposed to make us all

50:16

happy about the big booper. Dana

50:20

White just spoke to the media. Was asked about

50:23

this. It went great apparently. Yeah,

50:26

I mean I want to talk about some of

50:28

the bullshit that I'm seeing on social media but

50:30

Dana White. David

50:33

Martin tweets this out. Dana White on

50:35

Walter Cortezicosa Costa versus Rubella's to Spain.

50:37

Quote, if I was giving out a

50:39

bonus on shittiest fight of the night.

50:42

End quote. Dot dot dot

50:44

end quote. That was what Dana White had to say

50:46

about that fight. So never a good thing when Dana

50:49

throws that out there. Just ask him to observe Loyaf

50:53

how that works. So,

50:56

knock him out. Give

51:00

WCA to Derek Lewis. Yeah.

51:04

Try that nonsense to get Derek Lewis. See how

51:06

that goes. Just get

51:08

out baby. He's off. He's on his knees. He will just

51:10

get off and then he will fly me you. Yep.

51:14

Yeah. Dude, did Derek Lewis fly me?

51:19

Go ahead, go ahead. Finish the thought, Jeff. Then

51:21

he will tell you after he's finished knocking you

51:23

out that he's never heard of you before. And

51:26

fan your lifeless body with

51:28

his shorts. I can't

51:31

lose that Dominican dude. I've never heard

51:33

of that thought before. The

51:35

Derek Lewis flying me is like sneaky one

51:37

of the like sheet moves. Like

51:39

he closes distance. He's up there high. You'd think it

51:41

would be like a fade or like take your head

51:43

off. Like a throwback to that. But

51:47

he somehow finds a way to kind of get in on people with

51:49

it and it's pretty impressive. Because he's

51:51

incredibly athletic. He

51:54

really is. He's a monster. He's a monster. All

51:57

right. Let's bring in Casey. Let's take some questions.

51:59

some questions, some thoughts. I'm

52:02

sure Waldo Cortez Acosta's performance is going to come

52:04

up quite a bit. Guys,

52:07

you will be happy to know that David

52:09

White has confirmed John

52:11

Jones's deep-age still happening apparently

52:13

likely in New York. It

52:17

was David's comment, it's likely going to

52:19

happen in New York. So we're still

52:21

just waiting, waiting until

52:23

November. More time to

52:26

build the anticipation, baby. Yes. The

52:29

biggest fight of the year. We can't wait

52:31

until Steve A gets hurt in October and

52:33

we wait until next November. No,

52:36

but if... Honestly, I hope that happens and

52:38

this just becomes a thing. Like at the

52:40

end of Jimmy Kimmel when he's like, and

52:42

sorry that David just cut for time. He's

52:44

like, and sorry to Steve A and John,

52:46

we got cut for time. Next time

52:49

we come to Madison Square Garden. I

52:52

will say this, I think if it

52:54

falls apart again, I do think they

52:56

will ultimately do some of the fights we want.

52:58

That's what I think will happen. So I wouldn't

53:00

be mad about it like a falling apart. No,

53:02

it's not a guarantee. We're going to get Connor

53:05

versus Buckley. Are you

53:07

saying we're going to get Connor versus... No.

53:10

The fights we've all been craving, Casey.

53:12

Connor versus Buckley, baby. Steve,

53:14

call out to work. Apologize.

53:18

No, but I... Steve A

53:20

in September is just like,

53:22

yeah, I can't get there.

53:26

I don't think it's out of the question that they're

53:28

just like, yeah, New York John versus Tom, New York

53:30

John versus whoever. I could see it. Alex,

53:32

hey Alex, it's time. Step up. Yeah, I

53:35

wouldn't count it out. So I don't know. Maybe...

53:37

Well, I didn't realize Alex was a fight we

53:40

cared about because it's not the fight they care

53:42

about at all. It's

53:44

not second. It's second for me. One

53:47

at a time. I truly don't.

53:49

Fair enough. It's fair enough. Alex, fair.

53:52

Fair. Fair. I won't debate that. I

53:55

like it. But I won't. All right. We got some

53:58

super chats first. Uh,

54:03

by the way, Dayton asked about Joaquin

54:06

Buckley actually getting Conor McGregor for a fight.

54:08

One word answer. No, just throw that out. No, no,

54:10

no. Next question. People

54:13

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54:16

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54:56

FDSE. Uh, bottom side, in coming to September is the

54:59

eighth year. The 10th of September is the 18 month

55:01

mark since John's last fight. Who's going to have the

55:03

testicular fortitude to remove him from their rankings? Hashtag

55:07

C-E-G, which I know is the

55:09

final. Well, there are

55:11

two things here. We

55:13

have to. That is

55:16

our rule, so we have to. And

55:18

two, he has been progressively dropping in my

55:20

heavyweight rankings and he is not in my

55:22

pound for pound rankings at all. So

55:25

yeah. You got to fight

55:27

more than once this decade. So

55:30

the answer is Jed. Jed is the, is the brave soul.

55:32

I mean, we will all remove him because we

55:34

will physically have to, but yeah. Yeah.

55:37

I'm already ready to do the rankings. If

55:39

anybody was a better division, I would have got him. He

55:43

should. Why should he be in the rankings?

55:45

Like if you're not fighting, get out of the rankings. That's

55:47

fine. Nobody should be like clinging to this

55:49

idea. Like John Jones has to be right now. He's not

55:51

fighting. That's fine. And when he comes back and the wins

55:53

again, you put him back in. That's fine. I

55:56

didn't realize it was 18 months. Jeez, as far as

55:58

a bit. Yeah. Yeah,

56:01

so say if they do book this

56:03

fight in October, which just say that

56:05

means we will have the heavyweight title

56:07

fight in the UFC between two or

56:09

whatever number between two unranked heavyweights Sure

56:13

will yeah, I mean for us

56:16

the UFC still has steep a in their

56:18

rankings That is not a joke. Steve is

56:20

still firmly entrenched in the UFC's heavyweight rankings

56:22

I think he's three but I have them

56:24

right up I'm sorry.

56:26

He's five steep is number five CPA

56:29

has not won a fight in four years

56:31

and has not competed in three I

56:35

mean you have to have the weight as a

56:37

race plan So so I get it is one

56:39

of like his name mark in three years They

56:43

cut Tatiana Suarez from the rankings. He

56:46

has it bought in three years That's

56:51

shameless blowed

56:53

up like Shameless

56:56

That is so people Lauren Murphy after like being

56:59

out for six months after her. They're just gone

57:01

garage fight for They

57:05

pulled Leon because of the hamsat fight that

57:12

Yeah Nate they had the contract dispute and then

57:14

they pulled him to there's been all kinds of

57:16

shit like that You should be

57:18

higher there's a you know, what's so funny about the

57:20

Dana White no to No

57:30

idea the kind of regret hit the

57:33

other thing related to this was Buckley

57:35

on the mic being like Dana Put

57:38

me in the main event next question or like thanks

57:40

for coming out folks like he just ended it He's

57:42

just giving Buckley like no time. He's just not he

57:44

just does not have time for any I

57:49

Know but he's like Derek Lewis doesn't want to fight

57:51

here put me in the just smart. Yeah Make

57:54

it stood not sell for this card. They

57:57

sold a little bit more during fight week, but

57:59

Buckley they position Buckley in a

58:01

good light heading in. Maybe

58:04

Dana's just threading the needle between

58:06

our two positions of I hate

58:09

this and think it's stupid and

58:11

I'm not going to even talk about it

58:14

so it's just the worst outcome for you.

58:17

He's just finding that lane of

58:19

perfect harmony between us Rick. Just

58:22

one word answers are bad. One

58:25

word answer Dana or bad. No. Man

58:29

it didn't take long for us to get out of

58:31

that like happy UFC 300 Dana. You

58:34

guys remember that when he was like vibing,

58:36

talking all about it? Now we're getting

58:38

no. No.

58:42

We have a 9.99 super chat.

58:48

Oh boy let's go. This

58:50

gentleman is... Nikolas? No no.

58:53

You have a new friend. Does it cross? Mr.

58:55

Sten, you're a pet bait.

58:57

I know I should tell you that. I'm

59:00

sure that that's how he wants you to pronounce his name

59:02

as well. There we

59:04

go. Thanks

59:08

for writing in. Alright.

59:13

I appreciate you letting me know. Max,

59:16

20 bing rips later and

59:19

I'm still watching Jed. You weren't here

59:21

for the three people's pre-fight. Max,

59:24

I am proud of you

59:26

assuming that that's legal where you

59:28

live and you just keep on

59:30

trucking bud. I

59:32

bet you had a more enjoyable viewing experience than

59:35

I did for large flosses as far. Those

59:38

wasn't a bad card and there certainly were some

59:40

great highlights. Yeah. A bit

59:44

dragging down the middle section though. You're

59:46

talking about LazyU, my favorite fighter tonight.

59:51

LazyU, was your best case done by a bee?

59:53

Where is his Epiphan? Yeah man, CDFs. CDFs that

59:55

found her. That post-fight photo is... Coughing

1:00:01

that's what I was gonna say.

1:00:03

Yeah lazy bed. If you haven't gone to his

1:00:05

Instagram go find his Instagram It looks like something

1:00:07

out of a out of a demonic

1:00:09

possession movie. He's crying blood his

1:00:11

like it look it's gnarly stuff

1:00:14

So go find his we get if you we pull that up I'll

1:00:18

get it. Where'd you on

1:00:20

the dropped it into you? Then

1:00:23

fight week. Yeah, I dropped it into fight week at 10 39

1:00:27

Yeah That

1:00:29

was a sick fight Diego

1:00:32

for area is a monster

1:00:34

man Yeah

1:00:38

39 years young and just the

1:00:41

toughest division. I Mean

1:00:47

Just doesn't get to be

1:00:49

a lightweight contender. Holy smokes,

1:00:51

man. It's real bad boys Wow

1:00:56

See the real real real real

1:01:02

Real real dude still You

1:01:05

know what? I mean? I'm not he

1:01:07

posted this he was like no

1:01:09

this yeah. Yeah, I respect that He's like

1:01:11

I got my I got my happy real

1:01:14

clear Rick He didn't post shit cuz he

1:01:16

can't see Instagram to post it someone on

1:01:18

his team posted this photo They're

1:01:21

like you look horrible. We're gonna post this I

1:01:23

know how to I See

1:01:26

an Instagram post he puts the though he puts

1:01:28

the emoji like this guy Better

1:01:35

team around you they did you dirty putting

1:01:37

this well, I I I

1:01:40

like I like it I like it. I like man. Oh CVS

1:01:43

still got it still got it. I was

1:01:45

that was that was an awesome performance shot

1:01:48

at them Michael

1:01:50

Harris Connor buys Oh Matt Brown's contract

1:01:52

for a fight with Mike Perry What

1:01:55

does he mean? What do you mean? I wouldn't shock me. We

1:01:58

still in the UFC contract, right? Yeah,

1:02:00

Matt. No, yeah, because he, I

1:02:02

see what he's there. Get them

1:02:05

out of the UFC deal to

1:02:07

do got it. I

1:02:09

don't even have to do that. I

1:02:12

think the UFC would just let Matt Brown go fight in

1:02:14

BKFC. Yeah. They'll attend Mendez

1:02:16

do it. They have a good relationship

1:02:18

with Feldman. I think that they wouldn't

1:02:20

have any issues with him. Like, hey, I'd like to go do

1:02:22

this. I agree with that. I think

1:02:24

it would be a sick fight. So

1:02:27

yeah, I'm awful. I also think that that is

1:02:30

potentially possible still happening, though.

1:02:34

Uh, some of the stuff we've heard maybe,

1:02:36

maybe it's less likely than I would have

1:02:38

thought like a week ago. I

1:02:42

hope the money's right and I kind of want to see it.

1:02:44

So I would love to see

1:02:46

it. I'd love to see it. But if Matt Brown is

1:02:48

ready to move on in his life, happy

1:02:50

trails, sir. Happy trails. Because you

1:02:53

have to be ready for this. You

1:02:55

got to be ready. Because you can't just do it for

1:02:57

the money. There has to be something else if

1:03:00

you want to get in there and fight. I

1:03:02

don't know. Doug Duffy did it. Rivek.

1:03:04

He got out of there. Well,

1:03:08

if you want to win, if you want to go in there and win. I

1:03:11

got Mike with that one. Matt,

1:03:15

Matt. Oh

1:03:17

my God. That's

1:03:21

so funny. What a

1:03:23

delivery. Matt seems like the right

1:03:25

type of snico for it. I'll say that

1:03:27

Matt seems like he's local. You know, he

1:03:30

seems like he'd be willing to scrap

1:03:32

in that, in that setting. Also

1:03:35

shouts to the UC. I did not expect

1:03:37

them to do a map around like baby

1:03:40

tribute. That was nice of them. Like

1:03:42

good. Good weather. I enjoyed that.

1:03:45

And the archimetry thing. Really

1:03:47

good. Yeah. They did a good

1:03:49

job. They did a good job. On point.

1:03:51

I ran into Art Jemisin a few years

1:03:54

ago at a local vegetarian restaurant. And I

1:03:56

was like, sorry, Jemisin. And I took

1:03:58

a photo of him and he gave me, he gave me a. little

1:04:00

postcard of the photo of him

1:04:02

in the cage wearing his one glove. Oh,

1:04:05

that's amazing. Nice guy too.

1:04:07

Super nice guy. Yeah, super nice guy. Yeah. RIP,

1:04:10

sir. Yeah. All right. Uh,

1:04:13

did you, I would love to

1:04:15

see Matt Brown be kissed. I actually think like

1:04:17

he won't, I don't think he'll have the same

1:04:19

success than Mike Perry has, but I think he'd

1:04:21

be like pretty damn close. I think he's got

1:04:23

that potential. Uh, is it

1:04:25

true? Dana said no more apex events. Where did

1:04:27

he say that? Post

1:04:29

post-flight this now, what he said in the post-flight,

1:04:32

it's not what he said. He

1:04:34

said that he's been saying, and

1:04:36

obviously doing this, I haven't watched

1:04:38

closely, said that he's been

1:04:40

saying for a while, they got to get out

1:04:43

of the apex more. It's basically echoing what the

1:04:45

TKO call said, where they need

1:04:47

to spend less time at the apex,

1:04:49

they're not going to not do anymore,

1:04:51

but it does sound, it does

1:04:53

sound like they're going to do less of it. Honestly,

1:04:56

mostly because they can get site fees

1:04:58

by going places. So yeah. By

1:05:01

the way, it was good. Just like earlier

1:05:05

this week, TKO chief financial officer,

1:05:08

Andrew Schleimer said the following about apex

1:05:10

shows, uh, which Dana functionally

1:05:12

echoes this statement. Um,

1:05:15

those apex events do carry the lowest cost structure for

1:05:17

us to hold them on our home turf in Las

1:05:19

Vegas. I don't think we found the perfect mix yet,

1:05:21

meaning mix of apex and shows on the road, but

1:05:23

rest assured we're looking at the numbers and working to

1:05:25

do so. So I don't think they're apex shows are

1:05:27

going anywhere, but I do think they're trying to find

1:05:29

a better balance between like how often they're leaving the

1:05:31

apex and the apex. So I wouldn't get out of

1:05:33

there. You

1:05:36

do one apex show, one

1:05:38

fight night show and one pay-per-view

1:05:40

month. And during the summer months

1:05:43

you sprinkle in, you do ever

1:05:45

a fight. You do that 12 week period where

1:05:47

you instead of doing three times a month,

1:05:49

you just do one every week and you add in

1:05:51

a couple extra fight nights and a couple extra apex

1:05:53

shows and that gets you to 40 events in the

1:05:55

year. And you're good. It's

1:05:58

not that hard. This is the simplest. The guardian world

1:06:00

and should be that difficult to get to where

1:06:02

you need to be. Our

1:06:07

shocked our hot that crowd was during

1:06:09

the Buckley five hours I I the

1:06:11

I didn't yeah knows when he was

1:06:13

see manning those take downs they were

1:06:15

going nuts yeah our dollar's sometimes he

1:06:18

brought sonos very life at what were

1:06:20

those shares went when I'm will cost

1:06:22

I was doing to take downs or

1:06:24

whatever they were booing him fostered. Yeah

1:06:28

have been out and will a. Simple

1:06:33

somewhere. Super jets. Are

1:06:37

so very easy City ever says l uber

1:06:39

Buckley vs Sean Brady I kind of really

1:06:41

buckets you may have some resigned i kind

1:06:43

of feeling since assume you mean the Cts.

1:06:47

Suggested. Prosperous see and now you

1:06:49

know. make him do it again against a

1:06:51

bigger one. It is kind

1:06:54

of a good lane for him. know you

1:06:56

know like a little is his lane which

1:06:58

is yeah and then I may never. Have

1:07:03

a while I'm in. They could do. They.

1:07:06

Could throw him in there with mic tobacco

1:07:09

oral by two. Tabby pretty fun.

1:07:13

That's gonna like worms. I wouldn't

1:07:15

rely on a nonstop it's the

1:07:17

same kind of And all right,

1:07:19

it's like Sally Resubmit Australian Yeah,

1:07:22

Daily Rizwan, He sells audio. Twenty

1:07:24

four. Year

1:07:27

Twenty Four Twenty five because he did and

1:07:29

was like twenty three of the or National

1:07:31

Problem and Buckley Vs Somber yeah like that.

1:07:33

I don't know that some my ah no

1:07:35

pics gonna be where there's a very good

1:07:38

chance it's going to be somebody, right? I

1:07:40

ask a question of our is about bikinis

1:07:42

actors but he's brought a good week. We

1:07:44

focus so much in the the call out

1:07:46

but on his actual performance. Was.

1:07:50

His. Ear Legit taught saying I was that

1:07:52

luke a big Juri was that. Was.

1:07:54

that like oh man badly his side

1:07:56

he's gonna be a guess i guess

1:07:59

luke a Luké was a shell of

1:08:01

a fighter in that fight. Like that was

1:08:03

one of the worst performances I've seen this

1:08:05

year. He didn't look like he belonged in

1:08:07

a cage. So I was really

1:08:09

looking forward to that fight because I believe that

1:08:11

Joaquin Buckley has looked really good at 170 to

1:08:13

that point and has like some skills that are

1:08:16

going to be interesting for people. He's just also

1:08:18

such like a physical specimen and such a good

1:08:20

athlete. So that I was really looking forward

1:08:22

to the measuring stick that the Luké fight was going to

1:08:24

be. And that was just an absolute

1:08:26

nothing. I learned nothing from that fight. You should be

1:08:28

in the air. I was

1:08:30

so curious about this fight because

1:08:32

I just didn't know who Buckley was. And

1:08:34

I'm kind of in the same spot after

1:08:36

15 minutes. It kind of annoys me. But

1:08:39

yeah, I think we're all kind of in the

1:08:42

same boat, right? His opponent tonight was extremely flawed

1:08:44

and like he exploited those flaws and it really

1:08:46

didn't like teach me much. So I kind of

1:08:48

still don't know. Like I thought the Luké fight

1:08:50

was the one I was going to find out.

1:08:53

I would definitely find out something about him against

1:08:55

Sean Brady, like I did about Balal Muhammad. So

1:08:58

that's that I think makes sense. A lot

1:09:00

of sense as a fight, but I do

1:09:02

believe like I am. And Sean

1:09:06

Brady, Nersethan Rizabayev, teammates.

1:09:08

Oh, yeah. He made perfect. Love it. Gracie

1:09:11

Philly dude. So Sean

1:09:14

can get one back for the first teammate.

1:09:16

So I kind of do like that fight. But like, yeah, that

1:09:19

was like one of the things I thought about after that fight

1:09:21

was like, I do we

1:09:23

learn anything more about Luké and Buckley? We

1:09:26

never really liked them. Yeah. I

1:09:28

thought I knew who I was going to. Because

1:09:31

it was a matchup. This was just getting him on St. Louis.

1:09:34

There are things that can happen that fight. We were

1:09:36

gone. Oh, OK. That Luké

1:09:38

fight wasn't a fluke. That wasn't Luké having a

1:09:40

bad night. That was Buckley. Because I think I

1:09:43

we. He's just hard

1:09:45

against the guy who we also don't like. We

1:09:47

still don't really know who his vibe is. So

1:09:49

when you have two unknowns, I learned more about

1:09:51

him. I learned more about him. I

1:09:54

learned more about him. I learned in on his

1:09:56

ass. God damn. Yeah, he

1:09:58

got a chin. like just

1:10:01

kind of kind of what's the word

1:10:03

like just a little bit freaky just

1:10:05

a little bit like weird and it

1:10:07

just doesn't the package doesn't come all

1:10:09

together just yet some

1:10:11

interesting moments but like yeah like the ceiling

1:10:13

the ceiling is is there for him at

1:10:15

the moment I think he is clearly much

1:10:17

better served in middleweight than well yeah I'd

1:10:19

rather say he seemed like it's massive middleweight

1:10:21

automatic say a middleweight he

1:10:23

did like he had a lot of light ideas

1:10:27

yeah he had a lot of good ideas he

1:10:29

just was fighting in molasses compared to Buckley and

1:10:31

it was a real trouble for him oh

1:10:35

what was the what was the official call on the

1:10:37

whole the upkicks to the back

1:10:40

because he stood him up and thought he

1:10:43

stopped it as if it was a

1:10:45

penalty but it

1:10:47

did not look like it was but it's also

1:10:49

like real very

1:10:51

in the middle is almost a penalty

1:10:54

it's like yeah I was close as

1:10:56

being a very clear ridiculous penalty as

1:10:58

possible and so he stopped it

1:11:01

and if I don't think he I think he's recent thought

1:11:03

he hit him in the head it doesn't

1:11:05

your point like like he stopped it on intent right you

1:11:07

are you are kicking way too close to his head we're

1:11:10

going to kick him in the head so I'm gonna stop

1:11:12

it here and he just did not kick him in the

1:11:14

head you're pretty clearly kicking

1:11:16

and don't care if it hits him

1:11:18

in the head exactly firing this gun

1:11:21

into a crowd and sure you

1:11:23

haven't hit anyone yet but you

1:11:25

were going to hit someone that

1:11:27

was it this behavior is not

1:11:29

acceptable that was 100% so I don't agree

1:11:33

with that I don't know the shit dude yeah I

1:11:35

don't think you should have yeah I don't know what

1:11:37

you just use what do you wanted to do do

1:11:39

you want to stay down here do you want to

1:11:42

stand it up but that again if you're stopping if

1:11:44

you're stopping it I'm okay with

1:11:46

him giving him that option that makes sense to me

1:11:48

I'm okay with buck like Buckley getting the choice there

1:11:50

and he took he took the choice that I wouldn't

1:11:52

have taken so you know credit to him I would

1:11:54

have put him right back down there I

1:11:57

was just saying I think it's the wildest shit that I

1:12:00

was like, I'm just gonna kick this too. Oh,

1:12:03

yeah. After he was

1:12:05

like, I really not caring whether he fell.

1:12:08

Like do for them. I just

1:12:10

won. This is all

1:12:13

Buckley. After Buckley got

1:12:15

kicked like, oh, it was a silly

1:12:17

fight. He's just sitting there. Buckley's just getting

1:12:19

kicked and he's just looking at the referee like

1:12:21

this and then Roozebive just looks right at him

1:12:23

and then does it again. As far

1:12:25

as another one. Hit him right in the face

1:12:27

and then they're like, okay. Okay. It

1:12:30

is hilarious. So Buckley going for

1:12:32

a triangle. It's a funny scene.

1:12:35

The third round was a chance. Look

1:12:39

who's going to turf that win

1:12:41

by rolling into triangle. Like, oh

1:12:43

my God. And then I

1:12:46

still like I got to go rewatch it and figure out

1:12:49

there's a buy of like tried to

1:12:51

go like on the back like he

1:12:53

wasn't a bambo because he wasn't coming

1:12:56

through the legs. He's like coming over

1:12:58

the back like a squirrel jump

1:13:00

in wrestling. It was the weirdest shit I've ever

1:13:02

seen. The fight was so silly. It was very

1:13:04

fun. All

1:13:06

right. A few more Super Chat before

1:13:09

we get out of here. Just

1:13:14

because you talked to me, I don't like you, Jed. I

1:13:17

mean, that's respect right there. I hate

1:13:19

you. I respect you. And that's

1:13:21

okay. I was not mad when you said I thought

1:13:23

I said, okay. Thanks for letting me know. Yeah,

1:13:26

we ain't got no beef. I'm

1:13:29

just across cross an idiot and

1:13:32

has bad. Ross

1:13:35

was in the comments and he did agree of everything. Mr.

1:13:39

Jackman was saying earlier in the I

1:13:41

love cross. I'm like a smart man. You

1:13:44

don't you something a little educated. You

1:13:46

don't know. I feel like we want. Yeah,

1:13:49

I feel like that just solidifies our way

1:13:51

across. We're right now. This

1:13:53

reminds me where that coward a killer's junior. He

1:13:55

should be in here, but shout out to cross

1:13:58

who's an absolute legend. It's

1:14:00

crossed by women. Not

1:14:03

necessarily women. Ahh, there he is. There

1:14:06

he is. There

1:14:08

he is. Well done, baby.

1:14:10

Well done at the time. Lala and Rick

1:14:12

are the worst human beings in the world. In the

1:14:14

world. I am the A

1:14:16

world. In the world. You indirectly compliment me

1:14:18

and put me in the best company. Lala Mohammed, a

1:14:21

sound human and

1:14:23

a rightful contender to the welterweight throne.

1:14:26

Coming to Manchester near you soon. Shout

1:14:29

out to Lala Mohammed and to Akilah's

1:14:31

Jr. Only $1.99 though. Come

1:14:34

on. You

1:14:36

don't love me. This guy

1:14:38

gave $20 bucks, send your Pepe to shit on

1:14:41

Jed. What's up with this $1.99 garbage? Although

1:14:44

I will say Akilah's Jr. usually comes with multiple bullets

1:14:46

in the chamber. He's been flaring a lot.

1:14:49

Yeah. Alright,

1:14:51

I should have more super chats. Dustin,

1:14:53

Parker Porter

1:14:55

vs Parker Porter confirmed. Parker Porter confirmed at

1:14:57

UFC 303. No, no. Porter

1:15:01

Parker. Ah, yeah.

1:15:05

That's not even the right way to mess up his name. It's

1:15:07

a meaner way to mess up his name. Porter Porter, right?

1:15:11

That we do a lot by accident. Yeah.

1:15:15

It's Taco Porter, baby. Parker

1:15:17

Porter and Por Capata. There's

1:15:19

honestly been... There

1:15:22

has never been a UFC release

1:15:24

that has garnered more longevity in

1:15:27

hopes of a comeback than Parker

1:15:29

Porter. He is mentioned on every

1:15:31

show. Like literally every show. What's he doing? When's

1:15:34

he coming back? Who should he fight? Should the UFC

1:15:36

bring him back to fight Alex Pereira at UFC 301?

1:15:39

Like all these different questions. Would

1:15:43

that be the best redemption run since

1:15:45

like Brandon Moreno if he came back?

1:15:49

It'd be awesome. Yeah. I feel like

1:15:51

Brandon's like a little dude. I'm still a little brook. They're like

1:15:53

you'd be right there. Yeah. Oh

1:15:55

man. Wilbur's... I tried.

1:15:57

I started on that. Yeah. I

1:16:00

did I did try a lot on social media like

1:16:02

come on. We'll get in there You're

1:16:09

the redemption See the ultimate fighters the

1:16:12

pros trying to get back in against

1:16:14

the rookies trying to make their debuts

1:16:17

and will Brooks Will Brooks didn't

1:16:19

get on the show. It was insane. He

1:16:21

was a no-brainer. He was absolutely no brainer

1:16:27

Lazy bed Cass

1:16:30

Williams co-main event next week at the World's World's

1:16:32

famous apex. Yes We

1:16:34

fight it. Good talk fighting

1:16:37

Wellington who Sherman Carlson Harrison Harrison

1:16:39

Harrison Harrison. Yep. That's it Who's

1:16:41

who's the man that next week?

1:16:46

Yeah Man,

1:16:49

it's fine. Oh, my baby. That's

1:16:51

fine. My dick. It's just not a

1:16:54

spice Vignero

1:16:56

Angela Hill which is a yeah ranked

1:16:58

fight and that's And

1:17:01

that's it. I don't know your opinions on

1:17:03

Vanessa Democco assimilated Cody, but that's a fight

1:17:05

and then it's I like the Cody Alright

1:17:10

I'm in say pixie It's

1:17:15

really pixie Chase. Yeah

1:17:18

What's up chase? Adrian Yana is back as

1:17:21

well Competing on that card

1:17:23

against Phoenicia's sell a door. What this

1:17:26

time of rainbow. It's me Tembo

1:17:28

green bow and yes Tom

1:17:30

Nolan Jed's favorite contender series fighter

1:17:33

Well, he's making me so mad if

1:17:35

he loses his him fight. I am

1:17:38

I was killing it I am perfect

1:17:40

on my top prospects off contender series

1:17:42

list right now, but for

1:17:44

Tom Nolan And then

1:17:46

even yes, the one-time

1:17:49

apex headliner himself is back in

1:17:51

the world's most famous warehouse Boo

1:17:54

smaga made off is back again poorly

1:17:56

out Apex

1:18:00

baby where you belong Seen of

1:18:02

the kind of it. All right, I like Evan

1:18:04

Fard score here. Jed might have seven It

1:18:07

is super not that Who

1:18:11

do you think takes the 303 main

1:18:13

event I personally think of Connor isn't completely coked

1:18:16

out He should spark

1:18:18

Mike in two because the dumbest fighter on

1:18:20

the roster Everyone

1:18:25

is aware my feelings on my good stand there

1:18:27

and how he sucks and I hate him Objectively

1:18:30

not the dumbest fighter on the master and

1:18:32

I would say not even like particularly dumb It's

1:18:35

not why I dislike him We've

1:18:39

seen a lot a lot dumber things

1:18:41

recently from fighters Okay,

1:18:43

can I say though? Let's make it this fight. Would

1:18:46

you consider? Would you consider

1:18:48

that? He's probably a better fighter

1:18:52

than he shows because he's Decided

1:18:54

when he got into the UFC that he wants to

1:18:56

get into wars more than win fights Would

1:18:58

you say that that's dumb because there is probably an element

1:19:00

of dumbness to that? But other than that, like I agree

1:19:02

with you technically he's not a very dumb fighter, but it

1:19:04

served him well, right? He's got a Connor fight now. I

1:19:07

think he's the only reason I don't hate

1:19:09

him more is because of what he has

1:19:12

done He

1:19:14

is just fun

1:19:16

now at least so it's hard to be

1:19:18

a hater when he's objectively very fun I

1:19:22

mean our boy arm and

1:19:24

rose light of the year and a bunch of great

1:19:26

fight Yeah,

1:19:30

Armin that Armin roaster He said you could

1:19:33

have lost for like fight of the year

1:19:35

or fight of the night bones Isn't loose

1:19:37

in the time since you fought that that

1:19:39

was a Real work dagger

1:19:41

but also true because Michael Chandler really does put

1:19:43

on great fights. I think Connor's

1:19:45

gonna win I mean look famous last

1:19:48

words. It could potentially be stupid. He could show

1:19:50

up and just have There's

1:19:52

a there's a real high chance There's a

1:19:54

real high chance that Conor McGregor shows up

1:19:56

has two minutes of gas throws the the

1:19:58

kitchen sink at him and then is just

1:20:00

absolutely cooked. And Michael Chandler's cardio takes him into

1:20:02

the second round, and then he just destroys Connor.

1:20:04

Real chance that happens. I would say that the

1:20:06

odds are probably going to look that way. And

1:20:08

most people are going to be betting that way.

1:20:11

But if he's even like a decent version

1:20:13

of himself, I just think he's going to

1:20:15

have some tools that he's going to be

1:20:18

able to use against Michael Chandler.

1:20:20

And I would I would think that that

1:20:22

will be enough. But man, like betting

1:20:25

on, I hope a good version

1:20:27

of Connor shows up is real rough to do in 2024.

1:20:29

But if he does, I

1:20:32

favor Connor, I favor Connor in that

1:20:35

fight. Do you

1:20:37

favor the you know what, we

1:20:39

have so much time to talk about this. Yeah, I'm

1:20:41

not I'm not even gonna yeah. I

1:20:44

think in the primes I would eat like you pick

1:20:46

both of the other primes, I would easily pick Connor,

1:20:48

I think it would be a very, very good fight

1:20:50

for him. I

1:20:55

don't know, man, I'm probably gonna pick Chandler. All

1:20:57

right, you guys remember when wide man came

1:20:59

back from shattering his leg and was like,

1:21:02

visibly petrified about getting touched in the leg?

1:21:05

Pretty tough to come back from that. Like

1:21:07

maybe can. And it's not like he can't

1:21:09

Michael Chandler sucks. It's easy to be people who

1:21:11

suck. But I don't know, I'll

1:21:13

probably pick Michael Chandler and hate myself for it.

1:21:17

All right. Weird lies about that

1:21:19

fight. Because like, I'm obviously they're gonna push

1:21:21

in and it's like fun and

1:21:24

exciting. And looking at the calendar, we're like six

1:21:26

weeks away from it happening. But

1:21:28

I'm also at the point like, I'm at the

1:21:30

point where like, I've accepted that it's probably going

1:21:33

to happen. But I just can't fully

1:21:35

get there until we get the fight week. Yeah,

1:21:37

I need to see them both immediate day

1:21:40

in a press conference. Like I need. You

1:21:42

know what I mean? Like I need to see that

1:21:44

first. And then I'll be like, all right, we're good.

1:21:47

We're good. I just I believe this one's

1:21:49

happening. You know me, I'm always anti happens

1:21:51

until it happens. But whenever Connor is signed

1:21:53

to contract, he showed up. And

1:21:55

Michael Chandler, I think as long as his legs are

1:21:57

still attached to his body will show up for that.

1:22:00

this fight so it's gonna happen. I

1:22:02

think Michael Chandler will show up to no legs because he

1:22:04

knows what this represents for his career. I don't think he

1:22:06

has to be alive. I'm not sure of the commitment to

1:22:08

allow that. And we can end up earning his ad to

1:22:10

the... Listen. You don't need

1:22:13

legs to fight. I mean, really, there are

1:22:15

sanctions. You actually do need legs to fight,

1:22:17

Casey. It's pretty fun to fight. That is

1:22:19

a bad idea. There are sanctions by... Zion

1:22:22

Clark. Zion Clark, literally no legs. He has a victory

1:22:24

in the Smarsh House. I agree. Was

1:22:26

that in the UFC? Remember when the

1:22:28

UFC wouldn't sign... What's the one on

1:22:30

fire's name? Nick Newell. Nick

1:22:33

Newell. Nick Newell, who was like, technically a fighter. They were

1:22:35

like, no, we're not doing this. All our

1:22:37

favorite against Justin Agee. One of my favorite

1:22:39

things about MMA is that they put Nick

1:22:42

Newell in against Justin Agee. I

1:22:44

was just thinking about that. It's the same thing that's

1:22:46

ever happened. Okay, Jed, you might remember

1:22:48

this. What do you think? Was he

1:22:51

not a favorite? I

1:22:53

don't remember if he was a favorite or not, but I just

1:22:55

remember everyone who knew anything was like... He's

1:22:58

going to die. What are we doing? That was

1:23:00

a weird one. That was a real weird one.

1:23:02

He's fine. Like, he kind of deserves it. He's

1:23:05

going to die. He was a huge underdog. He was

1:23:07

a big dog. Okay, that would make more sense. That

1:23:09

should have been plus 3,000 if we're being honest, but

1:23:11

yeah. It was

1:23:13

an insane thing. He's better

1:23:15

than James Beck. He's

1:23:18

a talented fighter. He

1:23:21

is a talented fighter. He is

1:23:23

a talented fighter. He's hilarious.

1:23:26

Hey, here's one of the most bothered dudes in the sport. Go

1:23:29

get him, Tiger. Yeah,

1:23:31

it was just a weird one where

1:23:33

they had no stars at WSOF and

1:23:35

they were trying to make things happen,

1:23:38

and this was just not a thing you needed to make

1:23:40

happen. And he's one of those fights. Like, Nuo is a

1:23:42

good fighter. Get it? He was a very good fighter. Yeah.

1:23:46

I think about that all the time. Just like,

1:23:49

yeah, you guys put a one-armed fighter in

1:23:51

against Justin Fucking Beach. One-hand fight. He had

1:23:53

one hand. He had an

1:23:55

incorrect... I was incorrect there.

1:23:59

You were correct. It was less about

1:24:01

Newell and it was just like a misunderstanding of like

1:24:03

what Justin Gaethje was. I think that's more true. I

1:24:08

used to do public relations at the time for

1:24:10

WSOF. Like I think I came on at WSOF

1:24:12

too. And when I saw Marlon Morais and when

1:24:15

I saw Justin Gaethje, I was like, yep, like

1:24:17

these guys have outgrown this promotion

1:24:20

from fight one. Like they are

1:24:22

absolute killers that could be

1:24:24

in a UFC octagon and smoke people right now.

1:24:26

And it turns out that was right. But like

1:24:29

they fought for a minute with WSOF and it

1:24:31

was just tough. They were trying to... They had

1:24:34

the best deal in the sport. Justin Gaethje made

1:24:36

so much money to beat the shit out of

1:24:38

people who could never beat him. But he still

1:24:40

made it fun because he would let loose. I

1:24:42

mean, he'll hit him a bunch. It was awesome.

1:24:45

With a contract and for both of

1:24:47

them with contracts negotiated by their manager who was also working

1:24:49

as a promotion. Nice little gravy training going on. The

1:24:53

best deal in the sport for like

1:24:56

three years. That really was

1:24:58

just like a misunderstanding of Justin Gaethje. Like

1:25:00

this is not a real... This is not.

1:25:02

It was so insane. Quick

1:25:04

follow up from Chase. Nothing

1:25:07

would be funnier than Chandler pulling out. He ain't. Nope.

1:25:10

He ain't. Just there's a chance. Tanner's coming.

1:25:13

Generally, like out of

1:25:15

hyperbole, what do you think it would take

1:25:17

to get Michael Chandler to pull out of

1:25:19

this fight? Not

1:25:22

be able to physically walk. Yeah,

1:25:25

the doctor's like... I agree. I actually think that

1:25:27

is the line as well. Yeah,

1:25:29

the staff is like that and he tries to hide

1:25:31

it. He will mask any injury. He will mask any

1:25:34

injury. That's not him pulling out. That's him getting pulled.

1:25:37

Slight difference. Well, all right. Well.

1:25:39

But also doctors let people fight with staff all

1:25:41

the time. Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm just

1:25:43

saying. It's going to be something weird. If

1:25:45

he blew out his knee tomorrow, he

1:25:47

is absolutely fighting. He's funny.

1:25:50

He'll be damned. You can fake it. You can fake

1:25:52

it. You know, you can fake

1:25:54

it. But wouldn't it be amazing at

1:25:57

the weigh-ins at the weigh-ins they bring the

1:25:59

backup fire. and outcomes. Walking

1:26:01

Buckley? Amazing

1:26:06

his whole back and forth, but

1:26:09

it would be objectively funny. Do

1:26:11

you imagine Buckley is the backup

1:26:13

fighter? But

1:26:17

she's the backup fighter. Just imagine that. Just

1:26:20

timing on some of these Buckley Connor jokes

1:26:22

you've had tonight? I must say. Casey,

1:26:24

just shout out to that. Beautiful. Thank

1:26:27

you for that. Did that happen? That's all we're saying to

1:26:29

everything I've ever said. Ben, you know

1:26:31

what? If

1:26:35

Walking Buckley said he called to be the backup

1:26:37

fighter for that, I actually

1:26:39

don't know if I'd be as upset. Nobody.

1:26:42

Somebody's interesting did, right? It is somebody

1:26:44

interesting. Just Charles Olivera. Oh, Charles. Oh,

1:26:47

God, please. Please. That'd

1:26:49

be amazing if Charles got in line for that. Oh,

1:26:53

man. He

1:26:55

said under one condition that if it's Connor, I

1:26:58

get to be in my deal. And

1:27:00

you have to be probably asking for that. Charles

1:27:05

is just hittable enough where I

1:27:07

could see how Connor could

1:27:10

win. He would not win, but

1:27:12

I could see how he could win. Real

1:27:17

quick, because casual fan wants to

1:27:19

put it out there. See,

1:27:23

I didn't even pay attention to the freaking Celtics. Tell

1:27:25

me they tell me they want it. They want it.

1:27:28

They want. They want. Thank freaking Christ. Oh,

1:27:30

just dance for 33 points. All right. At

1:27:33

least he showed up with a pair of testicles tonight.

1:27:35

So that's good because he's looked awful and no balls,

1:27:37

but he shot 11 for 28. 11

1:27:40

for 25 to get there. Yeah, he's

1:27:42

kind of not good. And

1:27:44

our last two, last two super chats before

1:27:46

we get out. Uh,

1:27:51

Jen, thanks for all the content. My

1:27:53

man elder. Thanks for being with

1:27:56

us, bro. And our last one

1:27:58

from our good friend. Mr.

1:28:00

Señor Pepe. Dad,

1:28:03

I mean... Ah,

1:28:06

that's what I'm talking about. Thank

1:28:08

you. You're

1:28:10

only worth half... I know, I'm

1:28:12

only worth half... I'm

1:28:16

only worth a quarter of Jed, but I do

1:28:18

thank you for including me after you had spent...

1:28:20

Hey, wait a minute. After you had spent 20

1:28:22

bucks on Jed. So

1:28:24

thank you for including me. You are way more of a

1:28:27

respectable person than that coward. A

1:28:29

killer's junior who would only spend $3 this time. I

1:28:31

mean, what is that? Get out of here. Get

1:28:34

a job. Come on. Yeah,

1:28:36

come on. Mike,

1:28:39

he's coffee. What are we doing here? Yeah, I know. I

1:28:42

have coffee for the month now. Thank you. You guys are

1:28:44

the best. You're

1:28:46

gonna say, Jed? It's so

1:28:48

funny that people actually make sense. It's the best.

1:28:52

Casey, you clearly understand the reference, Rick. I know you don't. I thought that more

1:28:54

people would be deeply interneted to be like,

1:28:58

you gotta talk about Chase Hooper and

1:29:00

the Mr. Hands reference. And you didn't. And I

1:29:03

don't know if that should make me feel old or what.

1:29:05

Or if I should just be proud of how quality our

1:29:07

chat is that they don't know it. I'm

1:29:10

very like original internet meme, e-bombs, like

1:29:12

I was all over these things. I

1:29:14

don't know this one. I

1:29:17

can't believe you missed that one. Maybe

1:29:19

you didn't know your name. Maybe. Per

1:29:23

your record, I didn't look at it. If

1:29:25

you are an e-bomb, don't. You're good.

1:29:29

Also, don't do it on a work computer. Incognito

1:29:31

mode. Incognito mode.

1:29:35

I will not. If

1:29:37

you were proto-internet, e-bombs world crap, then I'm

1:29:39

fairly certain you actually do know it. Oh,

1:29:44

okay. Maybe I'm forgetting the name. I

1:29:46

do remember, you know, B-W-L-P,

1:29:49

a lot of the like famous

1:29:51

ones we talked about. Oh, yeah.

1:29:55

So, yeah, I just missed it. Or maybe I

1:29:57

didn't. Yeah, maybe I didn't. But, uh, I... Do

1:30:00

you know about LP and the Spain

1:30:02

and not? You probably know Mr. Hans

1:30:04

just don't remember it. But I

1:30:06

didn't think 24 year old Chase Hooper was

1:30:08

gonna come with that one for us. So.

1:30:11

Maybe it's having a revival on TikTok

1:30:13

right now. It's probably not on TikTok.

1:30:15

Probably not. We don't need that part

1:30:18

of our lives. But

1:30:20

shout out Chase Hooper, the best you've ever looked. Yeah,

1:30:23

dude, he's becoming a man. He's

1:30:25

definitely becoming a man, baby. Growing

1:30:27

man Chase Hooper is a big, big problem.

1:30:30

Thank you all very much. Much appreciated. AK and

1:30:32

I doing some matchmaking tomorrow. Next week back at

1:30:35

the World's Most Famous Apex. Then we get a

1:30:37

weekend off. And then it's

1:30:39

gonna be 302. Condestment for you, get it done. So

1:30:41

lots of look forward to. So

1:30:43

AK and I will see you tomorrow. Appreciate you guys watching.

1:30:45

And shout out to all the

1:30:48

moms out there. Happy Mother's Day tomorrow. Shout

1:30:50

out. You all can't do

1:30:52

this shit without any of you. So have

1:30:54

a good night, everybody. Love

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