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Mixed martial arts. Mixed

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martial arts. How do we like our martial arts?

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We like the men. We like the men. We

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like the men. We

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have your seat.

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We are next! Mound

1:32

City, stand up. The

1:34

UFC back in St. Louis, Missouri for

1:37

a fight night event. We are out

1:39

of the apex. We are on the

1:41

road to the gateway to the west.

1:44

UFC St. Louis. There you see heavyweights

1:46

in a main event. Doesn't happen

1:49

all that often in the UFC. Does it. St.

1:51

Louis back in the octagon taking on kind of

1:54

an unlikely opponents in this kind of

1:56

a spot. Rodrigo Nascimento

1:58

looking to play. spoiler in

2:01

the UFC's return to St. Louis. Welcome everybody

2:03

to the UFC St. Louis preview show here

2:06

on mafighting.com. Hope you're all having a wonderful

2:08

Friday. I am Mike Hecke and boy, do

2:10

we have a team here to preview this

2:12

event first. Mr. No gray area

2:15

himself, the hot take King. Not sure if

2:17

we're going to Michelin stars or for going

2:19

the Farts score, but we're going to find

2:21

out with the one and only Jed Michoud.

2:23

Jed, how are we doing my friend? I,

2:26

we went Farts score. You, I guess you

2:29

could argue with Shulin stars just cause

2:31

you know, I like St. Louis, not

2:33

a ton of things happening in St. Louis

2:36

on Saturday night to compete with this, but still

2:38

this doesn't feel like a Michelin star card. It's

2:40

a Fart card, but it's five of them. Five

2:43

Mike, that is a quality Farts score.

2:45

So shout out to St. Louis. I

2:47

look forward to talking about all of

2:50

them and shark NATO. Yes.

2:53

And boy, you're going to have to show your

2:55

work for five, but joining me as well, Prince

2:58

of Positivity, my best friend,

3:01

Mr. Alexander Kayleef from the great white North. AK

3:04

how we doing my friend? Mike, my

3:06

best friend, what's up? Forget about shark NATO. People

3:08

want to talk about Gatorquake. I don't know if

3:10

you're looking at the comments. Sharknado

3:12

is so, listen, that's sharknado franchise. God bless

3:15

them. They had their day. Gatorquake time, baby.

3:18

Gatorquake is the extension of the

3:20

shark NATO universe. You know, it's

3:22

yes, it Gatorquake is going to

3:24

be like Tokyo Drift, AK. It's

3:27

the extension of the universe. It's not really

3:29

related, but it's clearly so much better. And

3:31

then in the future, it'll all tie in

3:34

together in a way that maybe

3:36

doesn't quite make sense, but it's fine because we're all happy

3:38

with what's occurring. Yeah,

3:41

I think we can all agree with that. And if you want other

3:44

movie ideas, titles between animals

3:46

and disaster, go

3:49

watch BTL yesterday. We had many segments

3:52

about that. But let's talk about UFC St. Louis,

3:54

Jed, I'm gonna have you show your work right

3:56

now. Five farts on

3:59

this card. All right,

4:01

let's hear it. How are we getting the five? So

4:04

a very interesting five farts too,

4:06

because there's no single,

4:08

there's one fart fight. There's

4:11

one fight that is fully above replacement

4:13

tussle, and then there are a bunch of half

4:15

farts. So all that adds

4:18

up, but the main event, half fart. Derek Lewis

4:20

is always going to be at least half a

4:22

fart if not a full fart. It's Derek Lewis.

4:24

Like, what are we talking about? Conbain

4:26

event, arguably a fart, honestly, but then

4:29

the way Joaquin Buckley looked like he

4:31

was dying as he walked to the

4:33

scale, makes me be like, you know what, let's just go

4:35

half here. That's fine. So that's two half

4:37

farts that gets us to a full fart. Olberg

4:41

Minifield, I kind of just feel like that

4:43

has to be half a fart. Like, Olberg

4:45

wins. He's going to get ranked. It just

4:47

kind of feels like it's at least half

4:50

one. I actually really like the CDF, Matouche,

4:52

Rebecca fight. One, CDF has already lost to

4:54

a Matouche, so he gets

4:56

a chance to avenge his deficit to the

4:58

name. And two, Rebecca is sneakily like on

5:01

a heater and maybe a top 15 lightweight.

5:04

If you're a top 15 dude, like, these

5:06

are two top 25 dudes in the best

5:08

division in the sport. So that could also

5:10

deserve a full fart, but we went conservative,

5:12

gave it another half fart. That gets us

5:14

up to two. Caceres

5:16

Woodson, Caceres is ranked as half

5:19

a fart. Robellis

5:21

to spawn, getting half a fart. Baby, I don't

5:23

know if you know anything about this man, but

5:25

he's getting himself half a fart. Suddenly

5:27

we're up to three farts now. The main card

5:29

gets us three farts. Sharknado,

5:31

that is the Tabitha Ricci,

5:34

Tisha Pennington fight, Baby Shark versus Tiny

5:36

Tornado, in case people didn't watch PTO

5:39

yesterday. Sharknado is obviously Sharknado.

5:41

It's a full fart. And

5:44

then we get two half farts because Terrence McKinney

5:46

is going to be done in five minutes or

5:48

less. So that will be fun. And

5:50

I'm genuinely interested in the Chase Hooper

5:52

Slava Cause fight. Just stylistically it seems

5:54

like a pretty good one. So that

5:56

may be a touch generous, but we

5:58

gave it a half a fart as well. And suddenly

6:00

we're five farts. I

6:03

mean, what a tremendous breakdown, AKA for

6:05

more, I can say modern breakdown, but

6:07

maybe a more professional breakdown. What's the

6:09

gymnastics score for this guard? God, he

6:11

said farts so many times. I think

6:13

the word has lost its meaning.

6:19

It's a great rating system, but boy, after

6:21

a while you just kept saying farts, farts, farts became this sound

6:24

in my head, had no definition.

6:28

Well, I was pretty harsh on 301, so you got

6:30

to go a little bit lower. So this probably degree

6:32

of difficulty wise, like a 6.7, 6.8, I think I

6:35

went like 7, 7.5 for

6:37

the pay-per-view. But like the main

6:39

card, if you stack up this main card with

6:41

301, and I like the 301 main

6:44

card, it's not like that. It's

6:47

not like 10 times worse. It's not as

6:49

good, obviously. Doesn't have a quality title

6:51

fight at the top. Missing some star

6:53

power, definitely no, I mean, this is Josie Aldo. I know

6:55

some people said he was

6:57

just throwing onto 301 to sort of sell extra

6:59

tickets and kind of just gussy off the media

7:01

a little bit. And guess what? It

7:04

worked. For me, it worked. I'm sure

7:06

they sold more tickets. And I know a lot of some media for

7:08

having to see Josie Aldo on there. So 301 had that. St.

7:12

Louis doesn't quite have that. I do like Buckley getting

7:14

a fight in his hometown. I think we just

7:16

shot in Woodson also from St. Louis, right? So

7:19

I do like that we're

7:21

getting some home cooking here. So it's

7:23

always, always fun when you finally

7:25

hit the road, get out of the apex, you

7:27

want the crowd to be able to get up

7:29

for some fights that maybe wouldn't have as much

7:31

buzz in a different city or again. In

7:34

that forsaken apex. Yeah, I like

7:36

the main card. Prelims are interesting.

7:38

Jed has already outlined some

7:41

of the standout ones. The Sharknado matchup

7:43

is absolutely fantastic. Tisha Pennington coming back.

7:46

Fighting baby Shark after having a baby

7:48

Tiny Tornado. There's levels to this matchup.

7:50

It's pretty crazy. Her first fight in

7:52

I think well over two years. Two

7:54

years. Yeah, she became a mother last

7:56

summer. So here she is. She's

7:59

back. like she was in great shape

8:01

from when I saw the Wayans, which, yes, I

8:03

see people in the comments, they were not streamed

8:05

anywhere, which was very bizarre. I've never seen that

8:07

before. So I've just had to see video from

8:09

various people. But

8:11

yeah, no, no, no, my life was

8:13

very odd. But

8:15

yeah, this is the four o'clock start time. I don't know if

8:17

we mentioned that. Thumbs up. I

8:20

like it. Loving that. And again,

8:22

it's just nice to be out at Apex

8:24

back in good old middle

8:26

America. I'm Canadian. That's I

8:29

can call St. Louis, Missouri, middle America. Yeah,

8:31

guys, geography. Yes, sir. Okay, great.

8:34

Nailed it. So

8:36

yeah, I'm almost textbook definition of middle

8:38

America. I'm probably more

8:40

excited for this card than most normal

8:43

people would be. Again,

8:45

this is after having done some research and you know,

8:47

I always look forward to cards a little more when

8:49

I when I've got my notes handy. So it's

8:51

not bad, guys. This is a fine way to spend a

8:53

Saturday afternoon, I think. Yeah,

8:56

I agree. Yeah, it's a

8:58

good Saturday afternoon card. And that's

9:01

pretty much where we're at with UFC in these finance.

9:03

It's it's not bad. It's not bad. And not bad

9:06

is better than Oh, this card is gonna be rough

9:08

at the apex. But let's talk about the main event

9:10

real quick, Jed. I think

9:12

we kind of know why this fight is here.

9:14

Derek Lewis, fan favorite coming off

9:16

the tough one to jailton Almeida,

9:19

where he basically was just on his back

9:21

for 25 minutes. And he's facing

9:23

Rodrigo Nascimento who has a nice

9:25

win loss record in the UFC. A lot of

9:28

people felt he lost the fight to Andre Olofsky,

9:30

even though he's playing it off like you want

9:32

a 30 to 24. But here

9:34

we are Rodrigo Nascimento stepping into his

9:36

first UFC main event. Is

9:38

this fight to you scream?

9:41

Yeah, I think Derek Lewis stylistically is just gonna knock this

9:43

dude out in the first round. Let's send the St. Louis

9:45

fans happy. Or do you feel like this

9:48

is the UFC testing Rodrigo Nascimento against a bigger name.

9:50

Now they've done a nice little run. I mean,

9:53

it's a little bit of both but

9:56

more of the former right like it

9:58

won't shock anyone if Derek loses.

10:00

He's certainly not in the peak of his career

10:02

anymore and I think Derek Willis would tell you

10:04

that. He's 39 years old and you

10:06

can be old at heavyweight but his

10:09

reflexes are slowing. This is a guy who

10:11

relies very heavily on athleticism for parts of

10:13

his game. You know it's just gonna be

10:15

the issue. Nastamento isn't

10:17

really a guy who's super

10:20

well equipped to deal with that, at least

10:22

not what we've seen. He can grapple a

10:24

little bit but like he's not the

10:27

same tier of grappler as a Sergei

10:29

Spivak or Jelton Almeida. So Derek Willis

10:31

can keep this on the feet. The

10:34

only people being Derek Willis on the

10:36

feet aren't guys like

10:38

Rodrigo. Like it's Cyril Ghan who's

10:40

a very very accomplished striker or

10:42

like Taitui Vaso who just ate

10:45

all of Derek Willis' big shots and then found

10:47

one of his own. Rodrigo's not really one of

10:50

those dudes like he got knocked out by Chris

10:52

D'Auquez. If Chris D'Auquez can knock you out Derek

10:54

Lewis sure can. But at the same time he

10:56

is on a good little run and this is

10:58

kind of an exact fight for him to be

11:01

like hey are you is there something

11:03

here? Is there a reason we should take notice of

11:05

you more than we are? Let's find out

11:07

and if it's not which we anticipate I

11:09

think that that's probably how the conversations going

11:11

in the UFC war room probably not then

11:13

what do we get? We get another Derek

11:15

Lewis knockout. We get him headlining an event

11:18

in St. Louis. Derek St. Louis it'll be

11:20

great. He'll take his pants off. He'll say

11:22

something wild and everyone will be happy and

11:24

we'll all go home you know

11:26

feeling better about the event. So it's a

11:28

win-win for them in those situations but say

11:30

it's more likely that this is a setup

11:32

fight for Lewis than it is for Nascimento.

11:35

Okay

11:37

normally we talk about stakes in main

11:39

event fights and there really aren't any

11:41

here especially for Derek Lewis because he's beyond

11:43

rankings and stakes in this fight. Yeah it

11:45

doesn't matter. He wins he's just gonna fight

11:47

another dude kind of in a similar spot.

11:50

Some main event in a small like on a fight

11:52

night car whether it's in the apex or not and

11:55

then if Rodrigo Nascimento Obviously if he wins,

11:57

that's a good name to have on the record.

12:00

The man. He moves up the ranks by. Like.

12:02

What are the sexy? or are there any

12:04

air there? Any for Derek? Lose? Really says

12:07

I feeling win or lose? She's getting it.

12:09

Put another poster public. Yes Dark loses fighting

12:11

against a bunch funny stuff all week. We

12:13

love that. Yeah not no

12:15

big stakes for Jericho is definitely wants to break

12:17

out of a little slump is and and and

12:19

wash the bitter taste of that are made of

12:22

fight out of was mousers as a tough watched

12:24

as stuff was a sweaty really from it. Ever

12:26

ready for Louis and nobody had a good Alastair

12:28

books so there's that on line but again he's

12:30

pretty. He's. Pretty stink

12:32

bomb proof I want to say like if anything that

12:35

might have more trouble cropping on Almeida and therefore there's

12:37

like a well how I couldn't tell me to put

12:39

him away and Eric was kind of came out of

12:41

it. He got dominated for my rounds nobody really care

12:43

for. Like you said he snipers up in a main

12:45

event which most fighters to put on stink bomb like

12:47

that are part of my us to say. They're

12:50

not getting mean I'm in the next fight but stay

12:52

close to when are. don't ask them until. Would.

12:55

It surprise you guys know he's

12:57

tied for the longest. Active

13:00

winning streak in the use the head with division. Know

13:03

and when I read it would really he

13:05

would have the record. Are you deleting Would

13:07

it not for the a Tk Us idea

13:10

that went over Allen but oh that was

13:12

overturned for up other drug test so nice

13:14

and of meetings not for one of the

13:16

past three. He's. Got

13:19

here got things to get. This. Island is.

13:23

February name know it it even if

13:25

we want anything since you haven't eaten.

13:27

broke his nose mouth of easy multiple

13:30

guys with three. if it's it's a

13:32

force guys have. He was white hot

13:34

right now. For contenders on three by

13:36

you have see winning streak three of

13:38

the by interests. Vying to

13:40

be the next grade have you on ass

13:42

and all is one know on Amazon I

13:44

almost a courtesy of the interior. courtesy.

13:48

Know. Outer is can go to

13:51

the kurdistan is Curtis Curtis gonna

13:53

get up and survey of he

13:55

started on. This. is dumb

13:57

is will the court as a coastal see a

13:59

three Oh, uh,

14:01

solve the VA. Maybe

14:03

I should forget him. I believe he's

14:06

no technically wait. He's only one two. Am I

14:09

or am I miscounting? Okay. I

14:11

mean, I could hold on. I'm I miss. Am

14:13

I miss counting? He has a loss. Yeah, he has

14:15

a loss in your senior. He lost to. Yeah. I

14:18

don't have a clue. You

14:21

guys give up. Oh,

14:23

God. I know. I know. I'm

14:26

picturing in my head right now. Go

14:28

ahead. Go ahead. Carl Williams. Carl

14:30

Williams. Correct. Three and

14:32

only. That's the only one I get.

14:34

That's the only way I can think of. Oh,

14:37

uh, Mick, Mick Parkin, Mick Parkin, correct. And

14:39

then one veteran, Alexander Volkov, he's on a three fight

14:41

win streak. So, so there you go. Uh,

14:46

Val's interval called Carl Williams. Mick Parkin,

14:48

Nesamento with a win over Derek Lewis

14:50

can climb over them all and

14:53

become the hottest name in heavyweight

14:55

today. So

14:57

Mike, I've had to adjust my FART

14:59

score as someone in the

15:01

chat informed me that Nesamento is ranked in

15:04

the UFC's heavyweight rankings, making the

15:06

main event a full, uh, fight above replacement

15:08

tussle on its own. So this is now

15:10

a five and a half, uh,

15:13

scoring card. Just

15:16

want to keep everything tidy. Okay.

15:20

Jed, what does Rodrigo Nesamento

15:22

have to do tomorrow in

15:24

this fight with Derek Lewis

15:26

to make you believe that

15:28

maybe not a title contender, but at least

15:30

someone to keep an IO for cause he

15:32

is winning fights. They ain't thrilling. That's for

15:34

sure. They're not fights. We go back and

15:36

rewatch, but what can he do

15:38

tomorrow to make you believe like, you know what?

15:41

Maybe this guy, maybe I was wrong about this guy. Maybe he

15:43

does have a little something. Maybe he can be a top five

15:45

heavyweight. So what

15:48

he has to do is he has

15:50

to go into the cage and

15:53

during the process of beating Derek Lewis,

15:56

he's going to need to invent the

15:58

neuralizer from men in black. and

16:00

then flash it into the camera

16:03

directly so we can all forget

16:05

that he got greased up by

16:07

Chris Darkus in moments. Because

16:09

as long as that image persists in

16:11

my brain, I will never believe that

16:13

this man who is top five heavyweight,

16:16

it just won't be part of how

16:18

I interpret him. But if he

16:20

goes out there and he beats Derek Lewis, he'll

16:22

earn another chance to keep moving

16:24

up the rankings, right? Like that's the

16:27

best you can ask for here because I'm not

16:29

going to put a ton of stock into beating

16:31

Derek Lewis. Like he gets, it's better than losing

16:33

certainly, but Derek Lewis at this point of his

16:35

career, if

16:37

you have any aspirations to being a top fighter,

16:39

you need to beat him. But beating

16:42

him doesn't mean you're a top fighter if

16:44

that makes sense. So he would really have

16:46

to do something wildly impressive, and I'm honestly

16:48

not even sure what that looks like. Oh,

16:53

let's start taking notice of Nascimento,

16:55

see what he's about. A.K.,

16:58

if Nascimento just starts the fight and he does

17:01

the Max Holloway thing and he points to the

17:03

ground and him and Derek Lewis just meet in

17:05

the center and they just start throwing

17:07

lunchbox at each other's faces. And somehow,

17:09

Derek Lewis is the man to fall,

17:12

and Rodrigo Nascimento stands over him and celebrates,

17:15

keeping his pants on, mind you. Will

17:18

you be a believer? Only

17:21

if Nascimento actually should, he should take the shorts

17:23

off. He should steal, he just steals those bits.

17:26

If he knocks Derek Lewis out cold and then

17:28

takes the shorts off, and then gives us

17:31

the Portuguese equivalent of my balls is hot,

17:34

then we're talking about a guy who's

17:36

one to watch. Someone give Guy on

17:38

stat. Guy, what's Portuguese equivalent? Guy,

17:40

I know you're watching. They probably have a better

17:42

version, like it doesn't translate directly, but like the

17:44

equivalent is probably so much better. Probably.

17:48

Do you remember any of the damn skis we talked about?

17:50

Yeah, always good. Nuts,

17:54

they're always insane. Nascimento,

17:58

yeah, he has to get a finish. If

18:00

he wins a five round, he'd be like out strikes

18:02

Derek Lewis for five rounds or mixes the martial arts

18:04

a bit and like grounds him. No

18:06

one's going to remember it again. It's good to have that name

18:08

in your resume. It'll be the biggest day

18:11

of the resume by far. I mean, the second would

18:13

have been again, as just Chris Dokkas, who he lost

18:15

to, then maybe a Lear

18:17

Letipia, like he does not have a notable name. Not

18:20

bad fighters, not knocking these fighters. They're

18:22

not names. They're not names. Derek Lewis's

18:24

headline, pay-per-views. Derek Lewis has been around

18:27

forever. The UFC's knockout record holder, huge

18:30

fan favorite. On a

18:32

very casual level, this is a meaningful win for

18:34

an estimate though, but it will not. The

18:37

method absolutely matters. This is not a,

18:39

oh, he even he dominant, like 50-45.

18:41

So Derek Lewis, that is not going to move

18:43

the needle in the slightest with the UFC, with

18:45

Dana White, with the matchmakers. He needs that finish.

18:48

So if he did it, what you portrayed, Mike,

18:50

yes, it'd be an incredible moment. I highly doubt

18:52

it. I am just hoping he

18:54

gets some sort of knockout or a submission, a

18:56

submission. He's got some submissions on his resume. Obviously,

18:58

that was before UFC, he was just tapping out

19:00

lower level competition. But even that, even

19:02

a finish, a finish, Rodrigo, will

19:05

do you wonders. So he'll move up in the UFC's

19:07

official rankings. I sincerely doubt he ends up in the

19:10

NBA Fighting Global rankings. Jadis,

19:12

now a six-fart card. What happened? Why

19:15

are you laughing? The

19:17

esteemed Shaheen Alshadi hit me up. Apparently,

19:20

he has spoken to one

19:22

Guillerme Cruz. And I'm sorry

19:24

for the Portuguese listeners out there. I'm

19:26

going to butcher this. Minhas

19:29

Bolas Estal Pagando Fogo

19:32

would be what we're looking

19:34

for. I need that exact phrase to

19:36

be uttered by Naza Mento after knocking

19:38

out Derek Lewis. And then I'll be

19:40

all in on him suddenly being a

19:43

top five heavyweight. Will

19:45

you rank him in the NBA Fighting Global rankings if

19:48

he does that? If he wins, he's going to

19:50

get ranked. Like, the heavyweight's garbage. And so, yeah,

19:54

like, he's on four fights, five, five,

19:56

winning streak. I think I have Derek Lewis

19:58

ranked. I'm pretty sure he's in, like, my 14th. Fifteen

20:00

for so if he wins is he

20:02

will deserve to be ranked. But ah,

20:04

that's more testament to what they have

20:06

you. A division is. The. Necessarily

20:09

to his skills. Fair.

20:11

And of, well, let's go to

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Rodrigo Nascimento. Plus one Thirty six.

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Jad your pack and. Just.

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Add on top of that, are you surprised?

20:31

The batting line is what it is. On

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in tears because gauges hit me and

20:36

slack and said that I did a

20:38

good job. Boom! Portuguese.

20:41

My second language still in it out

20:43

here, kids. Scientists for

20:45

in the world you are just strong it on

20:47

going well I just august fourth or off. Azores.

20:50

Betting odds. Ah. I'm

20:53

not like holy surprise just because the you

20:55

know day poses one to was less like

20:57

a flights or whatever and awesome into his

20:59

on a good run but at the same

21:02

time Lewis's still the savior Lexington line Kind

21:04

of makes sense. ah I'm I'm picking their

21:06

goods. I have a wager on Derek Louis.

21:08

I think that this is sitting of well

21:10

for him for like a good where the

21:13

bookmakers are and this probably is going to

21:15

draw some action the other way to from

21:17

casual people. Be like I know they're good

21:19

but he's lost a whole bunch and use

21:21

a Brazilian guy Brazilian guys. Know jujitsu right?

21:24

This should be easy. So ah there's that.

21:26

Also, before you move on and I just

21:28

want to get this into out, come back

21:30

to Me! Ah. Andreas. Hail

21:33

wrote a piece on There goes The Sony

21:35

has been today that's really good and I

21:37

would encourage Ah to go read it. It's

21:39

about their booze and kind of being famous

21:42

and having like to deal with being famous

21:44

and your family and sort of overcoming adversity

21:46

and stuff it's It's quite an interesting piece.

21:49

I wouldn't suggest yoga, Read it. He

21:52

got shot to be shell. Former.

21:54

Guess for Andreas house Ak was

21:57

the take care. now

21:59

gone those KO all the way. I just, I

22:02

don't know if Nascimento

22:04

has this like takedown game that I'm not aware

22:06

of. I've watched a few of his fights in

22:09

the UFC, I've reviewed it, you know, of course

22:11

this week. And you know,

22:13

he likes to stand up. He likes to stand

22:15

and bang. He's not a knockout artist by any

22:17

means, but he's got decent, decent,

22:20

I need to emphasize decent here, decent technical striking skills.

22:22

And he seems very happy with it. Like, we know

22:24

he can tap you a lot. Again, he's done that

22:26

before the UFC. And he's

22:28

submit a guy like Derek Lewis. Can you control

22:31

the guy like Derek Lewis is grappling? He's not

22:33

Jelton Almeida. I know we just saw it. I

22:35

know that's gonna be people's minds. As Jed mentioned,

22:37

you just see Brazilian heavyweight and you're probably thinking

22:39

and again, you're probably thinking, yes, he must have

22:41

some grappling. Can he just do what Jelton did?

22:43

Very different fighters. I think

22:46

he's gonna want to stand and trade. I just don't and I

22:48

don't think he has the power for it. And

22:50

I don't think he's so technically advanced that

22:52

he can just dance around Derek Lewis for

22:55

five rounds and beat him that way. It

22:57

might be a classic Derek Lewis performance one that we haven't

22:59

seen in a while where he's just down on the cards

23:02

after like three rounds and then somewhere in four or five

23:04

lands a bomb and just takes now some into us. So

23:08

I'll go I think I said first round, but I'm gonna

23:10

tweak that. Let's go. Let's go fourth round. Let's go fourth

23:12

round slow start for Derek Lewis. He doesn't even want to

23:14

he himself and he want to be in the main event.

23:17

But this time he might be grateful that there's more than three

23:19

rounds. I think it's gonna take them some

23:21

added time to to find that KO functions. Boys,

23:25

I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Doing

23:29

the exact same thing you're doing. Derek Lewis

23:31

by knockouts. I don't even know what you're

23:33

doing. I was trying to

23:36

tease a Rodrigo Nascimento. Holy crap

23:38

pic, but don't have it. Derek Lewis. I

23:40

think I do

23:43

kind of agree with AK. I do think it's somewhat of

23:45

a slow start. I do think Nascimento

23:48

will kind of move around a little bit and avoid

23:50

any major damage. But second round, Derek Lewis is a

23:52

bad, bad dude. And I Think

23:54

he's gonna get the big lunchbox KO for

23:56

a minute into the second round. So Derek

23:58

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move to the coal main event because I feel like

25:20

this in the fight that air by as around in

25:22

general and begin with you because you said. Into.

25:25

A live microphone many many times a

25:27

disco main event that is on the

25:29

books. Was. Not even going to happen.

25:32

And. And lo and behold, the first

25:34

man to the scale at the official

25:36

Wayne's this morning. Was. Nursultan rude

25:38

the bias and he weighed in at

25:40

one seventy in a quarter. Just nails

25:42

it gets they're right on time. First

25:44

man to do it. Your reaction to

25:46

this jet are you surprised? What did

25:48

you think when he made wait You

25:50

did that You would. I'd.

25:53

Way. To go on and honestly

25:55

didn't look bad to a good

25:57

jokes activity online like seem like.

26:00

That wasn't that difficult. Form certainly

26:02

looked light years better than. ah

26:04

the marking buckley and as they

26:06

might like I was wrong in

26:08

principle I might still be right

26:10

in in the the end result

26:12

because Buckley leg of did did

26:14

you see Buckley video weighing in

26:16

It was I add man it's

26:18

like ours is troll at seem

26:20

like uses messing around. Off you

26:22

watch the Maghreb Zinio that they

26:24

put up you like jogged off

26:26

the stage like just fine. seem

26:28

like you just sort of mimicking.

26:30

People. Who. Like. Look awful

26:32

on the scale was very strange thing to

26:35

do broken a kinda weird guy a weird

26:37

I guy who tail and nine dogs off

26:39

to say he gets back on the scale

26:41

and any just as legal trot off the

26:43

stage spending his knees bending his legs seems

26:46

to be moving around okay I beg you

26:48

just. He just doing whatever

26:50

Barclays been doing since he be percent a

26:52

logo which is mostly the wrong thing. Through

26:55

real weird stuff but soon the

26:57

fight does happen. Ah awesome like

27:00

I I want this fight to

27:02

happen and gonna go. With

27:04

what we're going on here now like

27:06

I'm. The biggest hurdle to me

27:08

was was this by going to occur and. It

27:10

seems like it's going to write like

27:12

both men made. weight is more important

27:14

was trolling at a don't know the

27:17

point purposes butcher. A revised is looked

27:19

fine on the scale so they should

27:21

be like a clean fight. and now

27:23

this is the question of okay but

27:25

could beat you Got to be You

27:27

got a fight at the location you

27:29

wanted boy you were so bad and

27:32

everything and last five weeks at. This.

27:34

Is a no upside fight like be was a

27:36

bias is not going to do too much form

27:39

was losing is really gonna set him back. How's

27:41

the handle that does? He come out as he

27:44

showed the same for me did against Luke A.

27:46

Are we gonna leave this being like actually maybe

27:48

look a little more wash we realized and just

27:50

kind of didn't Didn't strike us until such time

27:52

as there. So. i am i

27:55

don't like the main event i'm interested in just

27:57

as it will be fun says there goes right

27:59

i don't really care what happens there. I

28:02

am actively interested in what this co-main

28:04

because either Buckley keeps showing great form

28:06

and okay, how what's his ceiling or

28:08

Ruzebayev is now a top 15 ish

28:11

welterweight. And what's his ceiling? So I

28:13

think the most questions and the most

28:15

intriguing possibilities come from the co-main and

28:17

looks like we're getting it. Alex

28:21

Ferrari Hey, on paper, I actually

28:23

walking Buckley does have a lot to gain

28:26

here. But it's not even with the performance

28:28

itself in the cage. He goes out there

28:30

and thumbs up Ruzebayev and then

28:32

gets on the mic and he calls on

28:34

MVP for Manchester, then I feel like he's

28:37

somehow in just a slower way, kind of

28:39

got a lot of some, at least something

28:41

right here that it all paid off in

28:43

a weird way, just a weird roundabout way

28:45

to get there. But to me,

28:47

there is no doubt in my mind that he

28:49

has the most to lose on this entire card.

28:51

Does he not? Alex

28:54

Ferrari Yeah, I don't think there's any any disputing that

28:56

again, he got what he wanted in this hometown. He

28:58

should have had a name. I think we said this

29:00

after we look at should have had a name. And

29:02

then when he when he interrupted Dana

29:04

White at the UFC 300 presser, I don't like

29:07

at the time I was like, was it that

29:09

big of a deal? And I don't know. I

29:12

don't know if it was the same week he got

29:14

booked against Ruzebayev and I'm like, maybe they did maybe

29:16

they were kind of annoyed by that. But I think

29:18

if I just have more with maybe more of the

29:20

time and who they could find to get get him

29:22

an opponent for St. Louis, I would like

29:24

to think they're not sending no soap

29:27

on out there just to like assassinate Buckley.

29:29

They're pretty harsh. It's also a

29:31

good it's also an exciting fight on paper. I think that's

29:33

also the main reason. So I don't want to, you know,

29:35

insist that there's something sinister behind all this. But yeah, Ruzebayev

29:38

is friggin deadly, man to know

29:41

the UFC so far. A ton

29:43

of pre UFC experience. He has almost 50 pro

29:46

bouts. This guy has been in the game and

29:48

this is not your average 2-0 UFC

29:51

fighter and and also still under

29:53

the radar. This is this is the crappie park

29:55

for Buckley. As you guys said, if he beats

29:57

Ruzebayev, we'll we'll

29:59

know we'll know it matters. We'll know it's a big deal.

30:01

Hardcore fans like, wow, it's impressive. Can't believe he took out this

30:03

guy who like is probably going to, might become one of the

30:05

boogie men of the welterweight division right now and got, you know,

30:08

just got handed this first, you have sea loss. It

30:10

is a big deal for us. But again, your

30:12

average person, probably your, frankly, your

30:14

average fan sitting up in the nosebleeds in St.

30:16

Louis, they probably have no idea who was above

30:19

it and are assuming that Buckley's just going to

30:21

straight up smoke him. So a win alone is

30:24

not going to do too much for him other than, you

30:26

know, keep this nice win streak going. The good thing is

30:30

kind of like with now cemento, how if

30:32

Buckley wins and how he does it is going to

30:34

matter a lot because Buckley, I know

30:36

we're well removed from the impact of Sangana

30:38

spinning kick knockout, one of the greatest documents of

30:41

all time. He's had other highlights around that he

30:43

still has a reputation of being exciting fighter. Who's

30:47

gonna engage with them? You know, he's good. He's

30:49

not like a he's not a berserker, but you

30:51

can engage them at some point, there will be an

30:53

opening for Buckley to land something and put this

30:55

guy down and have a real, real viral moment

30:58

and make us forget about all these kind of

31:00

weird outside the cage, like missteps that he's had.

31:02

It's kind of an awkward guy. But when he

31:04

gets in there and he delivers, he could again,

31:06

he could be the star of this card.

31:09

I think he's being he's being put in good

31:11

position to be that. So and while

31:13

I said that cemento needs to finish Buckley is much,

31:15

much, much, much more likely to get one. So I'm

31:18

really looking forward to how he turns out here again, I

31:20

know Buckley's an odd cat, I love I still really, really

31:23

enjoyed watching fight. And I still think there's, I've

31:25

said this a long time ago, when he's a middleweight, there's there

31:27

was there's a path to him to become

31:29

a title contender. But we'll

31:32

find out Saturday, how rocky that

31:34

path is. Yeah,

31:36

he has gotten people to, whether

31:39

you like it or not, to care

31:41

about what he's doing. And

31:43

we're talking about Joaquin Buckley a lot more these days

31:45

than we have. I mean, obviously,

31:47

the implica tag and I knockout he was the talk of the

31:50

town for like a month. But between

31:52

then and now, this is probably the most we're talking

31:54

about Joaquin Buckley and he's got a big opportunity here

31:57

in the spot could get a big star

31:59

pop if he gets done. The question is, Jed,

32:01

will he, Joaquin Buckley, the favorite minus 135

32:03

to come back on Ruzebayev

32:07

plus 114? Does

32:10

him making weight change the way you view this fight at all,

32:12

Jed? No,

32:16

it's a really hard one for me to

32:19

predict here. Because Ruzebayev

32:21

is huge. And that is a big,

32:23

that's just a natural advantage just to

32:25

be six five against the what's buckling

32:27

five 10, something like that. Like, that's

32:29

just, it's hard, it's

32:31

harder to punch that, like up and carry

32:33

the same power. It's harder to get inside.

32:35

It's just it's a difficult way to go

32:37

about it. Same time, like

32:40

Ruzebayev is just not nearly as

32:42

proven as Buckley is. And

32:44

so I'm gonna favor Buckley, but

32:47

I don't, I don't feel wildly

32:49

confident either side of this. I

32:52

have a bet on Buckley. It's, that's more

32:55

because I bet a gimmick, then I like think

32:57

that you should lay him at these odds. If

32:59

I were betting this would be dog or pass,

33:01

frankly. But I just

33:04

don't have a great feel on what this fight's gonna

33:06

look like. Like I, it's why

33:08

I'm really interested to see exactly how Buckley

33:10

looks if he really is a contender at

33:12

welterweight, or if if Ruzebayev is

33:14

actually one of those dudes. AK

33:18

your thoughts, who wins? Speed

33:21

kills, man. And I think Buckley's speed is going to

33:23

get him the W here. Maybe this is a vibe

33:25

thing. I just got a good feeling. I think him

33:27

getting that getting a fighting home to his hometown. Again,

33:29

it's much to be made fun of the way he

33:31

kind of asked for it. He

33:34

got it. He manifested it. You know, it's not against

33:36

the name opponent, but it's against someone who I don't

33:38

think he can beat. And I think he can knock

33:40

him out. It doesn't

33:43

have to have to ruzebayev very often if Buckley

33:45

pulled this off, he'll be the first guy to

33:47

finish Nersult on with strikes in 10 years or

33:49

almost 10 years, excuse me, he's really hard to

33:51

put. I think he's only been finished twice, but

33:55

I think Buckley can do it. I think the stage is

33:57

being set for that to happen. I don't say this is going

33:59

to the scorecards, I'll say that much. Someone

34:01

is finishing somebody, either Rizabab gets better

34:04

with him on the feet or maybe even

34:06

uses his size advantage, manages to get buffed

34:08

into the ground and takes care of him

34:10

there. Or like I said, Buckley speed, his

34:12

agility kind of gives him the advantage and

34:15

gives him some openings that Rizabab might not be

34:17

expecting. So I think it's a really

34:19

interesting size match when you see them both step into

34:21

the cage, one that could

34:24

benefit Buckley. So again, maybe more vibes than

34:26

here as opposed to like a technique breakdown.

34:28

I'm going Buckley by KO round

34:32

two. This

34:35

is a tough one. It really is.

34:37

I mean, if, if Nerselton and his team

34:39

watched, went back and rewatch the Chris Curtis fight,

34:41

I think that's like a really good way to

34:43

kind of view it. I know Chris obviously is

34:45

in six, five and doesn't have those

34:48

reach and size advantages that Nerselton is

34:50

going to have. But the way Chris

34:52

fought that fight is like the perfect

34:54

way you fight Joaquin Buckley defend takedowns,

34:56

keep him at space, head movement, make

34:59

Joaquin miss. And then when your opening comes,

35:01

you just land a thunderous shot to get

35:04

them out of there. So the vibe,

35:07

like when this fight was first booked, my immediate

35:09

thought was, Oh my God, Rizabayev is just going to

35:11

destroy this man. This is the UFC. Oh my

35:13

God, they punish him, but being like, all right, be

35:15

careful what you wish for. You just might get

35:17

it. I'm still leaning

35:20

Rizabayev, but I just have so many questions

35:22

about this fight. And I'm going to

35:24

say he gets a

35:26

TKO in round three, but I have Zippo

35:28

confidence in this and Buckley

35:30

could win would not shock me at all. But

35:33

I've definitely more vibes towards

35:35

Buckley than when this fight was originally

35:37

announced. But I just

35:40

think the size and Rizabayev is

35:42

very underrated athlete as well. So I think

35:44

that's going to play into this fight too.

35:46

And Joaquin's a fricking super athlete. So it's

35:48

going to be an interesting fight. This is,

35:50

this is the people's main event. Shout out to Arijalwani.

35:53

But yeah, I can't wait to watch it. But the

35:56

pick is Rizabayev with very, very little confidence. We

35:58

got Carlos Allberg, a lot

36:00

of people. Lonzo Menafield, we have Matuch

36:02

Rubecky versus Carlos Diego Fajeta. He is

36:04

back for the first time just about

36:06

a year. Sean Woodson versus

36:09

Bruce Leroy, Alex Casares, and the main

36:11

card rounds out with Robelas

36:13

de Spain versus Waldo Cortez Acosta.

36:15

Jed, this might be a silly

36:18

question. I think I already know where you're

36:20

going with this, but I know what you are going

36:22

to say, and I'm very excited for you to say it. Of

36:25

the fights we have not discussed on this main

36:27

card, if you can only watch one, which one

36:29

would it be? And I know

36:31

which one it is. Please state your answer.

36:35

Cause you teed me up for it, I'll say it.

36:37

Not sure that I actually believe this from a whole

36:39

chest, but with like most of my heart, it's Robelas

36:41

de Spain, or as I have affectionately dubbed him, it's

36:44

a big boober. Uh, cause

36:46

he's going to do a big booping on Waldo

36:48

Cortez Acosta and that's fun. He's

36:50

6'7 dude who's like a really good

36:52

athlete and like pretty

36:55

quick, got good power, Taekwondo bronze. I

36:57

think it was bronze, maybe it was

36:59

a silver medalist at the

37:01

Olympics. Like just a big, awesome dude,

37:03

just a big fella who moves quick

37:05

and hits real hard. And I love

37:07

people like that. And while the

37:10

Cortez Acosta is like the exact opposite of

37:12

fun. So watching him get booped real hard

37:14

by the big boomer will be great. And

37:16

so I guess that's the right answer,

37:19

but shout out to shout out to

37:21

Matusia Rebecki, Carl Stego Fajeta. I

37:23

think that's probably the best fight

37:25

on the card other than the co-main event.

37:29

Yeah, Robelas, a huge favorite. Mine is 500

37:31

against Diego Fajeta. AKA, what's the one for

37:34

you that stands out on this main card

37:36

outside of the top two? I

37:39

love the matchmaking on this main card. Let me

37:41

just say I was going over it. There's definitely

37:43

a, uh, a pass top two fights. There's definitely

37:45

a newer, newer guys versus, I don't want to

37:47

say just like, uh, like younger, cause you know,

37:49

some, some of these people are experienced, but they're

37:51

newer sort of fresher names to UFC fans versus

37:53

some guys who have been around a while, Olberg,

37:55

Chris Menefield, uh, Rebecki, Diego Fajeta, Diego Fajeta has

37:58

been around for a long time. Alka Saracen. 25

38:00

UFC fights now facing Sean Woodson. The

38:03

Spain, well, Corto da Costa is kind of maybe a

38:05

similar level, but the Spain is definitely really just new

38:08

to MMA in general and, you know, salsa boys cut

38:10

the experience edge there. So I think they match all

38:12

these people up perfectly. And I don't

38:14

want to say that it's a situation where no matter who wins,

38:16

the UFC is like happy. I think

38:18

they'd love to see some of the newer names win.

38:20

They'd love to see Oliver win, Romesky, obviously, Robels to

38:22

Spain. But

38:24

Corto da Costa, again, not a bad look at Head

38:26

of the Way either. So I'm going to go kind

38:28

of boring here. Just go the third fight from the

38:30

top. I have counted

38:33

out, I counted out Bulberg a little bit early on.

38:35

I think, you know, he lost his first fight in

38:37

the UFC. His second, his

38:39

first win didn't like light my hair on fire.

38:42

But now he's on a finished streak. He's got

38:44

the confidence. He's got the highlights to back up

38:47

the chiseled good looks. Extremely

38:49

marketable guy. And now

38:51

facing a huge, huge, huge, I think, step

38:53

up in competition. I

38:56

like Don Chung. I like Nico

38:58

Nagemirianu. Both guys are fine. I

39:01

put Menafield definitely a notch above them. And

39:05

if Oliver can knock him out too, I

39:07

mean, man, that is, that's going

39:10

to be a real like, a real guy that can build

39:12

on like, we could really have names coming out of here

39:14

again. Rodrigo, if he goes full

39:16

BMF as Mike has, has fantasy books.

39:19

Buckley, he gets that highlight reel in Brisebop. And definitely

39:21

Oliver, man, if he takes up Menafield, there's a, whenever

39:24

they're going to what Australia and New Zealand this

39:26

year, gets out of this one mostly unscathed, man,

39:29

throw him on that car. You've got a star.

39:31

I mean, the Alberg is star, but he has

39:33

to impress you. Even a

39:35

dull decision, I think is going to not push

39:37

him back like too far, but it's going to

39:39

prevent him from getting a top, like

39:42

a top 10 guy. I think if he gets a huge knock

39:44

out here, he could face legitimately someone in the nine, 10, 11

39:46

spot in the rankings. But if

39:48

he doesn't, it'll be more, you know, more developments

39:50

booking. And maybe that's what's best for him. But

39:52

I would love to see Alberg show out here

39:55

against Menafield, but again, I'm not

39:57

guaranteeing Alberg win, Alberg win at all. That's why that's, I think

39:59

Menafield is so tough. Yeah

40:02

John wooden bow scares could fail safes. I can

40:04

make their next step I think is get a

40:06

lot of skills and system out again of at

40:09

home but it's I mean to me it's rebels

40:11

the span I just gotta watch it's first of

40:13

all try only I take twenty two seconds at

40:15

the most that all entire fight because he just

40:18

needs a land one in this fight is over

40:20

and then after that happens Rubella Skyn get his

40:22

passport readied. You're a first

40:24

summer dates in Perth, Western Australia where he

40:26

could fight tie between Vasa on a paper

40:28

remain cards and that's just the way to

40:31

do it. To. Take the underrated with

40:33

this man. Take away under. And

40:38

know what that? I got a single known.

40:41

As the fi it does is no other way to do it.

40:45

I know. Usa during a new I just

40:47

I know that you're committed to the Jersey

40:49

New Dare Goose fight when. Boy, that's the

40:51

case. I'm not sure that

40:53

I support this fight as as as that

40:55

living marinate on it for will come back

40:57

on or nausea like don't know. Man.

41:01

Is not bad. I want this. it would

41:03

be upset if stuff like up booked damn

41:05

at a camp with a book this fight.

41:08

Booking. I mean you know that

41:10

I still want him versus true

41:12

ah the bad but you know

41:14

we know that while we were

41:16

ah the bill sweaty a slight

41:18

in like the last four years

41:20

a pic. of

41:26

just exiting with that actually looks

41:28

like it moves as flagged back.

41:33

To the for a over here vote. Just

41:35

about a foot taller than Chris Barnett, which

41:37

should be why out his best Crisper it

41:39

out with smoke for Dallas. By the way,

41:42

with smoke or god I'll smoke and. Even

41:44

even more remote? Do it. Now.

41:48

Guy guess we have a case I know pick.

41:50

I. Had a time. Maybe. Bringing Casey.

41:53

let's hear from the peeps. take

41:55

some questions, To. Some other things

41:57

I've as we haven't discuss. how we

41:59

doing casey doing well doing

42:01

well good if

42:05

Derek if this main

42:07

event was Derek Lewis

42:09

versus Rebecca how do

42:11

you say the thing I kind of say his name it

42:13

rebellious about the spain rebellious disdain what happened

42:16

should that been the main event no

42:19

no Rose has one fight

42:21

in the USA that would be yeah I

42:24

know that we like you I recognize him

42:26

honestly I don't if Camille

42:29

Gansi have just fought in a freaking main event

42:35

yeah I yes five pro MMA fights and the

42:37

last four of them have

42:42

lasted a combined 37 seconds

42:46

he might not be good also which tells me he might

42:51

not be good if you're if

42:53

you're knocking guys out

42:55

I shouldn't say you know what it's better to

42:58

knock Brandon thatch I

43:00

don't know who Rodrigo Nama

43:05

sito is that's all the problem

43:07

like if you get you put him in front of me I

43:13

was like I don't I assume you fight I don't

43:15

know and I've seen him fight many times but

43:18

yeah I'd just end but now

43:21

maybe you'll have a reason to remember

43:23

him Casey all right

43:25

super chat we got some good

43:27

ones we got some good ones lazy

43:30

bed better Gator quake leading man

43:33

Alberg or Costa that's

43:35

absolutely ridiculous I'm

43:38

not even gonna deign to give that a response what

43:41

we're not casting Gator quake with

43:44

MMA fighters sure we are new

43:46

piece of cinema yeah I said

43:49

at the conference earlier I assumed the Gator

43:51

is an MMA fighter is

43:54

that not part of the plot of Gator quake no

43:56

but one if we were gonna do that it

43:58

would then be Jacare obviously We're not

44:00

this is just a real move. I love to on the

44:02

nose. Yeah, I Mean

44:06

if we're doing in a made fighters You gotta be

44:08

on the nose at that point Can one of them

44:10

be in it at least as one of that like

44:13

could they have a scene as like a muscle bodyguard

44:15

for the Main character higher higher security for the main

44:17

character or whatever. I Don't

44:20

know about that. I mean They

44:23

could get eaten right? But like I'm

44:25

out here thinking our lead needs

44:27

to be somebody like Glen

44:30

Powell, let's like when Powell stretch

44:32

his wings a little too big

44:35

He might be too big. That's how we get this green

44:37

lit baby. Oh boy. Oh boy I'll

44:42

I think costa is via a better leading

44:44

right? I would say in general I think

44:46

costa has I think I think

44:48

I'm very confident I would be better of the two

44:50

of them. I think the bad English costa bad English

44:53

would be hilarious He'd

44:55

really get into he's also a guy who doesn't strike me as

44:57

self-conscious That's what I'm saying. Oh bring it. I don't know. Oh,

44:59

it might be a hilarious character And we just don't know enough

45:02

about him yet I think costa

45:04

will throw himself to any role you

45:06

gave him has no shame Would

45:08

not care would be doing his best to act He'd

45:11

be the best kind of bad actor the one

45:13

who's like giving it there the old college try

45:15

and just clearly clearly failing That is the kind

45:17

of bad acting. I like to see I You're

45:20

not allowed to work on Gatorquake Would

45:25

just give the Connor performance from

45:27

Roadhouse Literally made that movie

45:29

bad. Hey, we know he's better. No, no, no, he's better.

45:31

He's better than that. I think he's better than that I

45:34

think he'd be more akin to Chris Cyborg in

45:37

fight Valley. Let's let me put that way for

45:39

anyone Oh the actual worst acting performance I've ever

45:41

seen Susie Selik same movie.

45:43

Come on, bro No,

45:46

no Cyborg was worse than Susie Selik

45:49

Also bad Wow Oh

45:56

It won't be it won't be uh,

45:58

Cyborg blocked me years ago for

46:00

reasons I still don't know so she's not

46:02

gonna come at me on Twitter it's fine

46:04

she'll come in a game that's cool I'm

46:06

next yeah Super

46:10

Dave how do you not cast MMA fighters

46:12

and Gatorquake come on because

46:17

why would I this is not an

46:19

MMA thing we just found it through

46:21

talking about MMA this is not an

46:23

MMA movie this is

46:25

a disaster comedy light movie

46:27

you're mixing Gator's and quaking

46:30

yeah it's an MMA movie yeah that

46:33

has nothing this sounds like an MMA

46:37

movie yeah no it sounds

46:39

like a sci-fi movie no it sounds like UFC

46:41

you know

46:44

499 Gatorquake yeah this is a black

46:47

belt martial arts film if you're asking

46:51

me yeah look if I pass is gonna pay us then sure

46:53

but if they're not then Netflix

46:59

doesn't need this to be an

47:01

MMA movie they'll just cut the

47:03

check and I'll be good this

47:05

is what I love about this concept so much is that

47:07

99.9% of the world

47:10

sees the vision of this movie going one

47:12

way and then Jed sees it in a

47:15

total different way where like he wants to

47:17

win Sundance with this movie and everyone else

47:19

is just like no I want to stream

47:21

for a dollar ninety-nine no no no I

47:24

want someone to pay me for this movie

47:26

and in the main movies you don't get

47:28

paid for we've watched a lot of them

47:30

and they are all shit so no

47:37

okay not MMA

47:40

no Max Rabin is correct Gary

47:42

Busey in it now we're cooking

47:44

that's something I was

47:47

very gettable as the Gator sure

47:53

the voice is one Gator is it just one I thought

47:56

it was gonna be many yeah but

47:58

he's the leader of the game You

48:00

could be a king gator or something. The gators,

48:02

they clearly have some kind of structure, some kind

48:04

of social structure. Yeah. And okay, I get it

48:07

now. They have a society, Casey. Gary

48:10

Busey is a great, great, he's a

48:12

lock. He's a lock. I

48:15

could be John Travolta being in it, but we'll move on.

48:19

I don't hate John Travolta being in Gator Quave either.

48:27

This is the best. Uh,

48:30

Jameec, John Jones should be Big Bird for

48:32

Halloween because it's a big f'ing chicken. And

48:35

does PFL hate new fans? You can't watch the

48:37

card today in the US or UK. By

48:39

the way, I forgot PFL out of card.

48:41

What's the, the Manic, Mana card? We are

48:43

card, right? Yep, go on right now. Um,

48:47

okay. Jameec, John Jones can't be a

48:49

Big Bird for Halloween because he's already, again, you

48:51

don't dress up as something that you already are.

48:53

Like you want to say, it's a hat on

48:55

a hat. It's a hat on a

48:58

hat. He is a big chicken. He should try dressing up

49:00

as a fighter who's not a coward. That would be a

49:02

great Halloween costume for all of us, I think, and

49:04

fight Tom Asmel. But I'm, that's

49:07

my, that's my take on it.

49:09

I don't know how you guys feel about that. So

49:12

John Jones's Halloween costume is being an

49:14

MMA fighter. He should try it.

49:16

He has, I haven't seen him do it in a while. I

49:18

heard he did. Being a champion,

49:20

like a champion, being a goat. A

49:25

chicken wearing your goat outfit. A

49:28

goat costume. Champions defend titles, you know? That's,

49:30

that's what champions do. Not

49:34

this guy. AKA said

49:36

it perfectly. There's no notes.

49:41

Thank you. I just, you know, I just want

49:44

to make you happy with that one. And I,

49:46

and especially, you know, and especially after his recent

49:48

Twitter rant, I was just like, man, I can't,

49:51

there's no. Dude, it was real bad

49:53

yesterday. It was just nonstop. And you know,

49:55

it isn't, it is his God given right to be

49:57

able to tweet. I'm not saying John Jones needs to.

50:00

stopped reading, blah, blah, no, John just complete all he

50:02

wants. That's his life. But I hope he under I

50:04

just wish there was a part of him that would

50:06

understand why he's

50:08

getting so much criticism. He's just so obtuse.

50:10

It is absurd. And I do think this

50:12

element that is trolling. But I

50:14

also know that he's not that self aware

50:16

and deep down he really, really, really, really,

50:19

really, really believes he's justified in like every

50:21

move he makes. And that's just, I

50:24

rollingly irritating. The

50:26

one honestly, I find

50:28

it very entertaining. Some of these

50:30

tweets because they're just so ridiculous and everyone just loses their

50:33

minds. I might say

50:35

a support of the tweets, I

50:37

respected them for being a prize

50:39

fighter until he started very like

50:41

legit burying Tom Assitall. Like

50:43

I think he's like, guys probably

50:45

not even that good anyways. Not

50:47

good. That was like the biggest mistake

50:49

he made was was putting

50:51

that out there. Other than that, I didn't, I

50:54

just thought it was a good time to watch it

50:56

all unfold. John just wants the paper

50:58

and yeah, just

51:01

come on and say it. Stop talking about

51:03

legacy. Is that ridiculous? That's the

51:05

thing to me. I don't like

51:07

I have said and I will continue to say

51:09

it is obviously the correct price fighting decision for

51:11

john to fight steep and not fight Tom 100%.

51:14

Oh, just

51:16

be honest. Just be honest about your

51:18

motivations. Where I have an issue is

51:20

when you try and gaslight me into

51:22

thinking that this does shit for your

51:24

legacy. When like pretty clearly the legacy

51:26

move is fighting Tom Assitall and like

51:28

actually is not good. Like no, you're

51:30

just gaslighting all of us into believing

51:33

a fictional narrative of you. And that's

51:35

where I take umbridge with the tweeting.

51:37

It's just like, yeah, I'm, I would

51:39

like to do this because it's the biggest

51:41

fight. Okay, I got in really have an

51:43

issue with the Alex Pereira stuff because a

51:46

lot of that is correct. It is a

51:48

bigger fight monetarily. It's when you bring in

51:50

the legacy shit. It's like, no, get the

51:52

hell out of here, man. Like the

51:54

legacy is champions defend against belts and

51:56

unify with interim champions. That's the historical

51:59

accuracy of what going on and you're

52:01

trying to say something else because you want something else

52:03

just be honest about it it's all I ever wanted is

52:05

for people to be honest yeah wait

52:09

wait wait oh sorry real quick when he

52:12

says stipe is the biggest fight price fighting

52:14

wise do you mean the sense that there's

52:16

like a hundred percent chance he wins yes

52:18

and okay that exactly makes i i still

52:21

don't believe it's a big fight as i

52:23

mean john jones fight is big but stipe

52:25

i don't think there's a as a thing

52:27

i don't think there's a big money like

52:30

that the money is substantially different for any

52:32

john fight at this point like whoever

52:34

fights it's all going to be in the same

52:36

tier of of money but stipe he cannot lose

52:39

so he's fighting a 40 year old

52:41

dude hasn't fought literally this decade so that's

52:44

clearly the best story coming off one of the

52:46

most devest yeah and coming off a horrible knockout

52:48

too yeah and what do you

52:51

see and the thing about that fight

52:53

even though like none of us want to see it

52:55

nor even care to see it at this point is

52:58

that the UFC is going to promote the holy hell

53:00

out of it like they're gonna push this

53:02

thing to the moon like it's not gonna be like

53:04

a UFC 300 like this is

53:07

the event of all events but they're gonna put

53:09

the promotional backing behind john jones versus stipe dana

53:11

why we'll go on jim rome and every other

53:13

show and say this is the biggest fight of

53:16

all time and get people on

53:18

board like he's just gonna do that even though

53:21

all of us know it's just a

53:23

fight that john's probably gonna win which is

53:25

actually dana's job that's what he

53:27

should be doing for every fight yes they don't do

53:29

yes no dude that's fine this one he will here's

53:32

the thing though what happens when one of the

53:34

two old men in this proposed fight get hurt

53:37

and now it's late again are we just

53:40

going to continue this farce forever yeah

53:42

i know that the actual answer is

53:44

yes yeah like if stipe blows out

53:46

a knee it's like i can't fight

53:48

john's not gonna fight tom it's like

53:50

well i'll keep waiting for stipe and

53:52

he's just gonna keep doing it like

53:54

just just just leave the belt do

53:57

this vanity project without the belt

53:59

stipe I said yesterday on rampages podcast.

54:01

I don't give a shit about the bell.

54:03

I just want to fight John. That's fine

54:05

Do I doubt the bell? I would have

54:07

zero issues if you just wanted to do

54:09

this for y'all's sake and we can do

54:11

it Whenever it happens, but like quit pretending

54:13

you're the heavyweight champion Just

54:15

nonsense All

54:21

right I

54:26

Tired of the Jones hate from Jed go

54:28

be mad at the ball letting

54:30

this happen when he's the one calling the

54:32

shots also for the Dollars

54:42

to tell that to Jed I like I Am

54:45

I that I mean, I'm I look I'll stop hating

54:47

him when he stops being a coward Prove

54:50

me wrong John Prove you

54:52

wrong or vacate vacate or

54:55

vacate just vacate I'll still not

54:57

like the fact that you like tweet in

54:59

the most obviously self-serving way possible, but that's

55:02

fine Yeah,

55:04

I mean chase is not wrong This is all

55:06

the UFC 12 for putting the interim title on

55:08

that stupid fight anyways I mean I'm stupid fight

55:10

but it made it it just because we knew

55:12

this is gonna happen like we predicted it This

55:14

is exactly what was gonna happen. And it's just

55:17

it's actually worse than we thought at this point.

55:19

So wait What? When

55:21

when when timeline wise

55:24

when that's when off got the interim belt

55:26

Jones was injured already, right? Yeah Yeah, it was sort of

55:28

play. It was certainly why you got the okay. I was

55:31

double-checking. I just thought they just did it I

55:34

don't know. Okay, then I wouldn't I

55:36

wouldn't have a huge problem with it

55:38

If they didn't wreck the light heavyweight

55:40

division by not doing that, you know

55:42

what I mean? They just stripped Yuri

55:45

and then they basically stripped Jamal and those guys

55:47

are fine with it Because they were just gonna

55:49

come back and fight for the belt. Anyways, you

55:52

could have just let John You know vacate

55:54

the way that they wrote it up as Yuri

55:56

vacated. Oh, I'd want for the sanctity of the

55:58

division I don't want to hold it up. Well,

56:01

we all know what the truth was, but

56:03

to let John keep the belt and then put an

56:05

interim title on the line there, like they should have

56:07

just made the actual title fight. And if John, John

56:09

has the second belt, he's already done it. But if

56:12

he wants to, you know,

56:14

break the heavyweight title defense record, go chase it

56:16

again with whoever the frigging

56:18

champion is. Then if you want it back, go get

56:20

it. But if you just want to fight

56:22

steep, a, you don't need the belt. You don't need

56:24

a title. That fight does fine on its own. So

56:27

the whole thing is just super weird. When you, when

56:30

you treat one division differently than the

56:32

others, it's crazy. And, and Jones telling

56:34

himself as the undisputed champion for beating

56:36

Cielo gone, as if his title is

56:38

somewhat more, somehow more meaningful than Tom

56:40

Aspinall's title is just so infuriating. That's

56:42

one of the, that's one of the

56:44

most annoying parts this whole, I'm giving

56:46

him credit card. Aspinall is objectively a

56:48

better belt. I just like, I

56:50

just don't, at the very worst, they're equal. Neither

56:52

of them beat the lineal champion, neither of them

56:54

beat Francis. And that's fine. I'm not saying you

56:57

have to, but if you're going to

56:59

say, I'm so, oh, I'm undisputed, my belt means more,

57:01

you need some sort of proof. No, you want, John,

57:03

you want a vacant title. Guess what? Tom also won

57:05

a vacant title. It didn't, it doesn't matter. It's not,

57:08

they're equal. So for Tom's vacant title

57:10

came against a guy who was on

57:13

a win streak and John's

57:15

did not like objectively Tom's more

57:17

meaningful belt. And also I know

57:20

that this is a kind of a little thing. Tom's

57:22

going to defend his belt, which by

57:24

definition makes it more meaningful as well. Like

57:27

it's just, but Mike, what you

57:29

said is I think, uh, perfect. Like they

57:31

go to a strip job. He already has

57:33

the belt like in name. They don't need,

57:35

they really get, you're out. And when you

57:37

come back, you can do whatever you want.

57:39

If you want to fight for the, whoever

57:41

is the current champion, cool. If you want to do

57:43

the steep, a vanity thing, cool. We're doing fine. We're

57:45

going to turn totally perfect way to handle this. Instead

57:48

we're doing this. Let's

57:50

create a belt. Who cares? motherfucker

58:00

belt there you go let's go you want it go get

58:02

it there you go got

58:04

it one nailed it does that does

58:06

every fake belt have to have MF in it

58:08

okay I think that's the way to go okay

58:11

all right

58:14

more super chat Akilah

58:17

is whale Nami is the

58:20

movie to make guys Maggie

58:23

versus I like the

58:25

effort is bad but it's not

58:28

good enough whales too generic well there

58:30

are many whales that aren't dangerous species

58:32

you're looking for Orkonami and

58:35

honestly Orkonami is pretty solid that's

58:37

nice that is good

58:39

so I'm sorry that I'm just better than

58:41

you at this Akilah's but like blue

58:44

whale tsunami is not that intimidating because blue

58:46

whales are very nice I mean they're enormous

58:48

but they're like relatively nice people Orkonami

58:51

or because I mean bastard to sink boats

58:54

put them in a tsunami they were good we got

58:56

something happening Orkonami is what you're looking for in

58:59

a case since you are one of the

59:01

co-matchmakers oh if the vibe goes out there

59:03

and gets in slumps

59:06

Buckley are you jumping on on

59:08

to the next on Sunday and say and look there's only

59:10

one fight to make here it's a buy-up versus Neil Magni

59:12

we got to do it it

59:14

makes a lot of sense I think

59:17

if he beats Buckley I'm not looking

59:19

at the UFC sir we have Buckley

59:21

at 13 in our rankings he's

59:23

definitely ranked in the UFC rank okay is he higher than

59:25

Neil Magni in the UFC's ranking that's that's my question oh

59:28

he's got to be he's got to

59:30

be after beating Lukey right yeah

59:32

he's one thought above oh he's a lot of him Magni's

59:35

12 yeah we don't even have Magni in our welter

59:38

ranking at this point which again include other promotions so it's

59:40

not a knock-on Magni it's just our rankings are a little

59:42

bit deeper in the UFC rankings better

59:45

so it would kind of I mean I didn't want

59:47

to say it but yes better so it's

59:49

kind of a step back if he fights Magni

59:51

though I get it Magni has a certain luster

59:54

to his name the most you have the most

59:56

most great wins in the UFC he's just generally

59:58

regarded as a very good all-around around fighter in

1:00:00

a stiff test, but I don't think I'd go

1:00:02

in that direction. I'll have to look at the

1:00:04

rankings again, because I get it. I get it. He's

1:00:07

also probably not getting one of the bigger names like in

1:00:09

the top eight, right? Walter weight, unfortunately, is

1:00:11

one of those visions like lightweight, where we do have

1:00:13

a bit of a squatting at the top. It's starting

1:00:16

to clear up. I want to believe this. Then

1:00:18

again, I say that with Leon Edwards still not

1:00:20

having his next title fight book, but I'm crossing

1:00:22

for the positivity. The top of the

1:00:24

well-through rankings are going to clear up by the end of the year.

1:00:27

Uh, but I think it's going to have to wait for

1:00:29

that. I could

1:00:31

see the magnitude of how many won't be my pick.

1:00:34

It won't be my auto pick, but the logic is

1:00:36

very sound though. So not my pick. All

1:00:40

right. It will also not

1:00:42

be mine. Dana

1:00:45

Blanco. I have Samuel Jackson on the line for

1:00:47

Gator. For me, it's going to help

1:00:49

that budget. It's going to help that budget a lot.

1:00:52

Not really. I'll just, I'm going to

1:00:54

do that. Any mermaid thing. Oh,

1:00:56

don't need to be like four different characters. You're

1:01:00

definitely cracking up the budget. Eddie

1:01:02

Murphy, not even professor style where he's like, Samuel

1:01:06

Jackson, Samuel Jackson, Samuel

1:01:08

L. Jackson. So

1:01:11

much. You guys have also

1:01:13

missed the most obvious one, which is Nick Cage.

1:01:15

I mean, Nick Cage and Gator quake or Orkonami.

1:01:17

I missed a budget for this movie. Oh, actually

1:01:20

he's actually easier. They know what I should say.

1:01:22

He does a lot of things. Nick Cage. Nick

1:01:24

Cage got bills to pay. Maybe I think a

1:01:26

lot of back taxes to pay still. You're

1:01:29

right. He will. You can get him. Nick,

1:01:31

Nick Cage only does art house. So is

1:01:33

Gator quake. Are you suggesting that Gator quake

1:01:35

and Orkonami won't be art house films? I'd

1:01:37

also say Nick Cage does about like 16

1:01:40

films a year. So I think he'd probably be

1:01:42

available for Gator quake. I

1:01:45

love Orkonami so much. That's my new favorite.

1:01:48

That's good. Rolls up. This is pretty good.

1:01:53

Good call, Dana. Cole,

1:01:55

Jed really went to law school to use

1:01:57

Boop logic. Yeah. Let

1:02:01

me tell you, half of law school is just

1:02:03

bad anyway, so it's fine. If

1:02:10

you guys are following any of the

1:02:12

current large legal battles happening amongst

1:02:15

former presidents and or the

1:02:17

Supreme Court, there's a

1:02:19

lot of boop logic going on as

1:02:21

well. There are a lot of boops. Booponomics

1:02:25

is one of the classes Jed has to

1:02:27

take. How many farts does this

1:02:29

card get with an explosive Buckley KO and

1:02:31

earth shattering KO from Lewis? Jed, A.K. Mike,

1:02:33

in case you guys are talking to Shelton,

1:02:36

I appreciate that. Jed, so I'm confused with

1:02:38

the fart score. Can

1:02:42

we have like a contending fart

1:02:44

scores? Yeah, no retroactive farts. No retroactive.

1:02:47

We get it before and then

1:02:49

we can talk about how fun or how much the

1:02:51

card lives up to the hype, but it's

1:02:54

a...we already have our farts score.

1:02:56

It's five and a half. It's a good score. It's one

1:02:58

of the better scores of the year, frankly. It might

1:03:01

be the best actually. For

1:03:04

a fight night? For sure. I think

1:03:06

for a fight night. The paper

1:03:09

views are all on the Michoulin system, so

1:03:11

this actually probably is the top

1:03:13

fart score of the year. I'm trying to think. I feel

1:03:15

like we had another one that was in the fives, but

1:03:17

I'd have to go back and look. I

1:03:20

was surprised when I saw a top five on

1:03:22

this card. There's

1:03:25

a lot of like half interesting fights.

1:03:29

Maybe I just don't believe in half farts. I

1:03:34

mean, they're dangerous. Did

1:03:38

Atlantic City get anything? We have to

1:03:40

go back

1:03:42

into archives? I don't think you got five in

1:03:44

there. Atlantic City did very poorly. Yeah. Mexico

1:03:49

City had to have been better. I

1:03:52

think Mexico City actually got Michoulin's star. Yeah,

1:03:54

we did. We did Michoulin's star. It elevated

1:03:56

a bar. Oh, yeah. Okay. That was why.

1:04:00

Yeah, the rest of the cards are apex

1:04:02

cards. Yeah, okay What

1:04:07

else we got here Yeah,

1:04:10

okay Of course

1:04:12

from our good friend Joseph boza we gotta talk about

1:04:14

this fight cuz we haven't mentioned it at all He

1:04:16

should Taurus versus Rocky Pennington Tisha

1:04:19

Pennington see I knew it give the state

1:04:21

of women's five division Katisha Pennington Be

1:04:24

right back in the title picture in the

1:04:26

top ten with the win over

1:04:28

number 11 tab of the Richi First

1:04:31

of all, we mentioned this fight like a hundred times. Can we set

1:04:33

shark NATO? So

1:04:38

we mentioned it several times of the show As

1:04:42

you talk about the fight other than okay Yeah,

1:04:45

obviously she would she would get ranked. Yeah, she's

1:04:47

ranked tab the reaches ranked in the UFC She's

1:04:50

ranked on our rankings a little bit lower thing number 13.

1:04:53

Yeah, the Tisha Pennington He

1:04:56

was like I think she was top ten

1:04:58

when she was top ten before she took

1:05:00

a maybe sabbatical So yeah top of

1:05:02

the week her last night was the

1:05:04

Dern fight, right? Yes,

1:05:07

which I thought a lot of people thought teach you

1:05:09

on that fight. Yeah, very good. Very good fight Yeah,

1:05:13

I think where I put her is the question hasn't

1:05:15

specifically top ten or where she just get a number

1:05:18

next to her name Oh top ten in the title

1:05:20

conversation as a top in the fighter win. No, no,

1:05:22

no, no She's

1:05:24

not that far off not that far though. Not that far

1:05:32

Stronger the strawberry. Oh, it's a strong way.

1:05:34

Yeah, this is definitely His

1:05:37

questions. It's flowers like wait, this is No,

1:05:40

let's try it. Joseph. Joseph. Joseph. Come

1:05:42

on. Come on. Joe. They've you know,

1:05:44

wait classes this doesn't say fly Joseph

1:05:47

boza, this is a Do-do

1:05:51

on the show She

1:05:54

went there she'll be right back in the top ten and

1:05:56

I wrote about this the other week

1:05:58

or whatever before Koval Kovich fall but there's

1:06:02

not other contenders in this weight class

1:06:04

right now. There's Tatiana Suarez who is

1:06:07

injured and is perpetually injured,

1:06:09

so you could never bank that she's

1:06:11

going to finally get her help together

1:06:13

and fight Wai Lijiang. And

1:06:15

then there's Vina Zhezhirova. And that's it. Those

1:06:18

are the only people who are even remotely

1:06:20

near a title fight. Coming off

1:06:22

wins, yeah. Yeah. I

1:06:25

think Loma can sneak in there. I

1:06:28

think Loma's... I think

1:06:30

if Tisha Pendington gets a top 10 win, she is one win away.

1:06:37

She can just get a matchup against Yang Jang-ang

1:06:39

or whatever and is one win away

1:06:41

from fighting... Tatiana will be back. Tatiana

1:06:43

will be back. She's getting a shot. Yeah. She's

1:06:45

definitely going to be back. She's fighting

1:06:47

with a goal. Yeah. I'm definitely going to believe that.

1:06:51

She won't be top 10 in my rankings if

1:06:53

she wins this fight. No, I don't think so. I

1:06:55

don't think so. I'll go to her. How she does

1:06:57

it, what she says in the mic... You wouldn't

1:07:00

get Tisha top 10 if she wins or... I

1:07:02

think we could put her back. Angela

1:07:04

Hill, Lupe. She was... Wow. Yeah.

1:07:07

She was already top 10 before she left. She's 3-8

1:07:10

and... Or 3-5 in her last

1:07:12

8. Against

1:07:15

the competition. She's beat Angela Hill. She's top 5. She

1:07:17

beat Angela Hill. Top 5 competition. Top 5 competition.

1:07:20

Yeah. She beat Angela Hill two couple fights

1:07:22

ago. Yeah. I forgot about that. Okay. She

1:07:24

will come in at number 11 for me. I have

1:07:27

to look at my rankings. So come in at

1:07:29

11. I have just outside of the top 10. You are

1:07:31

top 5. I have Tabitha Ricci at 11. I

1:07:35

have Tabitha Ricci at 11. I would put her

1:07:37

at 11 if she beats Ricci. Because I

1:07:39

can't put her above Lupe or

1:07:41

Nona or Amanda Hebas or Mackenzie

1:07:43

Dern. Right. So that's the fight.

1:07:45

Honestly, if Tisha wins, I think

1:07:47

she fights Lupe. You just do

1:07:49

that. That's kind of the position

1:07:51

Tisha... Even if Tisha

1:07:54

was active, this is probably the fight she's getting

1:07:56

anyways. This is just the type of fight she

1:07:58

gets. Zippika Mira. up a win

1:08:00

or a loss? I can't remember. A loss. Loss. I

1:08:03

see. Who should lose to? It's

1:08:05

just... Verona. Verona,

1:08:07

yeah, yeah. Yeah,

1:08:09

I think... I think Tisha Verona

1:08:11

would be the fight, actually, if Tisha wins. Tisha...

1:08:15

I think Verona's really good. It's just nice to see you. It's

1:08:18

not... I mean, I'll always believe that.

1:08:20

But Tristan, you don't have to go down this road

1:08:22

with me. This is

1:08:24

me and she's not so kind. I

1:08:27

can't be certain. No,

1:08:29

I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. You

1:08:32

don't have to go like anything here. We

1:08:35

can't give up, so whatever reason. Yeah,

1:08:37

you don't need to. You're already popping

1:08:40

in. There's no reason for you to back out. Save

1:08:43

yourself, Tristan. She's

1:08:45

never not in the conversation. She's lost three

1:08:47

out of four. She's lost two

1:08:49

straight and three out of four. If

1:08:52

she wins her next fight, she's like a win

1:08:54

away from getting a title shot. That's just the

1:08:56

position she's in right now. She's

1:08:58

a strawweight. She's a

1:09:00

jerk, Lew. That

1:09:03

would be the best post-fight show ever. Mackenzie Dern wins

1:09:05

the UFC title. You and Shaheen just take it

1:09:07

to your victory lap. Every

1:09:10

one of her losses, she has had a

1:09:12

very dominant moment where I'm like, this

1:09:14

is what I saw. This is

1:09:16

happening. And then she punts it

1:09:19

away and gets clobbered. I don't

1:09:21

know how many Mackenzie Dern fights I've said, like...

1:09:24

At least one point said win or lose. Imagine

1:09:27

if she could... She

1:09:29

can get there. Only

1:09:33

five fighters in this division get to where she just

1:09:36

got position-wise or something. And it's like, man, if she

1:09:38

could... Imagine if she could

1:09:40

stop doing the bad things and only do

1:09:42

the good things. Did you beat the good

1:09:44

ones? I've never seen the...

1:09:46

She's good. I

1:09:49

just don't see the same magic in Mackenzie

1:09:51

Dern that you guys see. I was like,

1:09:53

no, you're not wrong, Casey. No, you're not.

1:09:56

You watch your get to... mount

1:10:00

with ease, you know, like just do that all the

1:10:02

time. I

1:10:04

watch her lose against better fighters. That's what I

1:10:07

constantly see her do is like her losses are

1:10:09

against better fighters. This is true.

1:10:11

Yeah, but you don't have the vision.

1:10:13

McKinsey is instead of doing two rounds

1:10:17

not doing anything good and lunging recklessly

1:10:19

on the feet. What if you just

1:10:21

do the part where you effortlessly take

1:10:24

Jan Jan down and get to mounts

1:10:26

and are like moments away from finishing

1:10:28

just do only that part of the

1:10:30

fighting and you would be the best fighter

1:10:32

of all time. And

1:10:35

those aren't very good. Stranger things have

1:10:37

happened. I'm out of, I'm out of,

1:10:39

but stranger things have happened. Yeah.

1:10:42

Yeah. Tristan, give up. You

1:10:45

don't need to save yourself. All right. More

1:10:49

super chads rolling in. We got a

1:10:51

bunch. Holy crap. I was like, ladies

1:10:53

and gentlemen, seeing as you still my IP, can

1:10:56

I ban viper Blizzard at least be

1:10:58

featured on the soundtrack? Casey is VIP

1:11:00

at our next show. Yeah, I didn't

1:11:02

feel your IP. I've been very clear.

1:11:04

You will get a cut of this.

1:11:08

Yes. So rest of these bozos

1:11:10

trying to make this an MMA

1:11:12

movie. I'm not confident. They're getting

1:11:14

involved. How much cut will

1:11:16

there be after you spent millions on Samuel

1:11:19

Jackson, Nick Cage, Gary Busey,

1:11:21

probably a lot of millions on

1:11:24

Gary Busey, millions. At

1:11:26

least at least a mil. I

1:11:29

don't believe that's true at all. Gary

1:11:32

Busey don't come cheap. You

1:11:34

got to wake him up and no, get

1:11:37

him a private. No, Gary Busey does come

1:11:39

cheap. No way. Okay.

1:11:44

Don't go online. How much is a cameo for

1:11:47

Gary Busey cost? Don't go. You

1:11:51

film his role, a cameo and you just splice it

1:11:53

into the movie. I mean, this

1:11:56

is a whole movie just cameos. No

1:12:00

one's done that yet. I just looked it up. I just looked

1:12:02

it up. Take a guess Take

1:12:04

a guess so much a cop or cameo. Oh, yeah me.

1:12:06

I'm for Gary Busey. Oh god I don't know the camera.

1:12:09

Oh, yeah, I'm just 30 30. I'm 130 30 Jed the

1:12:11

higher letter. I don't know Oh,

1:12:15

you guys are crazy. I gotta be at least at

1:12:18

least $150 AK

1:12:21

wins and he was still not close.

1:12:24

Yeah Yeah,

1:12:30

who is buying that? enough

1:12:35

producers of Gator quake are the

1:12:38

market Were there's

1:12:40

two videos that are posted? He's

1:12:43

playing the guitar and there's four videos posted. I could

1:12:45

see there's two of them. He's playing the guitar spin

1:12:49

off this planet Incredible

1:12:54

Gary Busey can't blizzard Viper

1:12:56

blizzard is not a great name for a movie, but it

1:12:58

is a really good name for a band. So I should

1:13:00

do some Casey

1:13:03

do you see the Robellis question super chat?

1:13:05

I do want to get that to that

1:13:07

before we Have

1:13:09

to head off. There we go Paul,

1:13:12

what is the ideal path to the top five for despairing?

1:13:16

Obviously smokes Waldo Any

1:13:19

fights I do have also I

1:13:24

Tied his top 10 Derek

1:13:27

Lou, yeah, we should have been this man. Yeah,

1:13:29

they're good. I think that I think that fights

1:13:31

could be a lot the book Oh, okay, the

1:13:33

management Can

1:13:36

we not get him in there with the to burrs?

1:13:38

No, that's terrible. No, no, no, no, okay We

1:13:42

want him to win No

1:13:46

Either either jars in your tie whoever

1:13:48

wins that that's one and then it's

1:13:50

then it's both off Then

1:13:52

you have to have two very tall boys going

1:13:55

at each other. That's the middle. I tall boy fight

1:13:57

of the year and then

1:13:59

after that That's probably Volkov you're

1:14:01

like fringe top five and so

1:14:03

then By that point

1:14:06

in time you are what Volkov's Hold

1:14:08

on you've got a title fight if he wins

1:14:10

if he goes out there Well, Kav's fixing UFC

1:14:13

rankings and that's including John as

1:14:15

champion So when John vacates because he's not

1:14:17

fighting anybody also steep a who hasn't fought

1:14:19

in literally three years is still ranked in

1:14:22

the UFC So top five is actually just

1:14:24

beating Volkov. That's how we get there Wow

1:14:28

That's true and he does it the way she's doing it

1:14:30

like first round knockout first round knockout first round knockout That's

1:14:33

a title shot like that's legitimate. You're giving

1:14:35

a guy a tight, right? Him

1:14:39

versus Aslan. Oh, he's Johnny guys. I would love to fight. Yeah,

1:14:41

you do WCA you do tie And

1:14:47

then you do Sergey Pavlovich I Like

1:14:51

the tall girls fighting but I hate that fight

1:14:54

All two right one six foot four and then title fight

1:14:57

a little yeah Volkov the Spain's

1:14:59

to you want to six eight dude.

1:15:01

Do you want the NBA NBA forwards?

1:15:03

Yeah, that it? Yeah,

1:15:05

and a special guest for a

1:15:07

guest recipe. I don't know why I

1:15:09

can't Free

1:15:18

Called Dutch dude, I can't think of me right

1:15:20

now Stefan's truth Really

1:15:23

goes seven. Oh, I thought it was an actual referee. I

1:15:26

thought it was like a veteran referee that I'm thinking Yeah,

1:15:28

oh, yes, seven shoes can be

1:15:30

a referee. He does media. Why not be

1:15:32

a referee? It's fun. Yeah Yeah, anyone could

1:15:34

do it. All right. That's you Okay, would

1:15:36

you pick the Spain Volk would you pick

1:15:38

the Spain Volkov over to Spain Chris Barnett?

1:15:40

I Yeah,

1:15:47

Barnett I'd still take just because I think we'll cover

1:15:49

at this point in time and Barnett's

1:15:52

deeply funny to me. So Final

1:15:56

question Kili's junior does the first round knockout

1:15:58

for T racks make you believe? in his

1:16:00

future or is he lightweight McKenzie? Oh,

1:16:02

that's a great way of phrasing it.

1:16:05

They're not similar, but I get what

1:16:07

he's asking. I

1:16:10

don't think any of this is correct. T-Rex

1:16:13

is his own entity and

1:16:15

it was a great entity.

1:16:18

T-Rex is the ultimate getter get

1:16:20

got fighter. He is going

1:16:22

to win or lose in five minutes and that's

1:16:25

just it. We are

1:16:27

not here to see the second

1:16:29

round. We are going to settle

1:16:31

all accounts in five or less.

1:16:33

That's not really what McKenzie Dern

1:16:35

does. I get what you're aiming

1:16:38

at and I'll never believe in

1:16:40

him as a lightweight prospect. He

1:16:42

will be fun forever and should be employed forever

1:16:44

by the UFC. But no, I

1:16:47

don't think he's ever making a title run. Yeah,

1:16:49

especially since and I like Esteban Ribert. Esteban

1:16:52

Ribert is a good fighter, but he's not

1:16:54

a name. I don't even think I've ranked

1:16:56

him above Terrence that could be Rastok my

1:16:58

huge list of whatever 75 fighters rankings. Knockout

1:17:00

on Saturday would not change my Terrence McKinney,

1:17:06

but I will say I'm already pretty high on Terrence. I

1:17:08

already think Terrence, I

1:17:10

believe that Terrence with the right run could

1:17:13

someday content for a title. This is like

1:17:16

still the embryonic stages of that run. Maybe we'll look

1:17:18

back on this in the night at all times. I

1:17:20

want to hear this run that you have envisioned that

1:17:22

Terrence McKinney is a good fighter. I don't know. He's

1:17:24

certainly not in the middle. He's certainly not in the

1:17:30

middle. Are you saying words? Give

1:17:32

me something. Give me something. He's

1:17:34

certainly not in the middle.

1:17:37

Let me finish. You want to

1:17:39

hear words? Do you want to hear words? You want

1:17:41

to hear words or

1:17:43

do you not want to hear words? Because I got words for you.

1:17:46

Clearly, we're not in the middle of this run. It's

1:17:49

not like we're looking at like, man, Mike Frieden, Brendan

1:17:51

Murad, and Esteban Rivas is like, I put some two

1:17:53

fights away. We

1:17:55

might look at this again as part of the beginning of a

1:17:57

run, but yeah, he needs to have more consistency because he's got

1:18:00

such random losses to newcomers, to

1:18:02

guys who theoretically, he's well

1:18:04

ahead of in the rankings. But when you

1:18:06

have this kind of knockout power, you can go far. When you

1:18:08

have this kind of clear town, you can go far. What will

1:18:11

it take? I don't know. What's

1:18:13

the run? He has to get a win over

1:18:15

top 20 top 15

1:18:17

guys. He doesn't have one of those yet, I don't

1:18:19

think. Matt Fravola, I guess, his debut, but that was

1:18:21

so long ago now. It

1:18:23

almost definitely doesn't factor into the matchmaking

1:18:26

for the UFC. So I don't

1:18:30

know. I think you like, you could throw him

1:18:32

in there with this. There's a lot of great parties in

1:18:34

lightweight. But there's not a world where he can't beat like

1:18:36

Hennaton Waikano. I wouldn't favor him in that matchup. He

1:18:39

certainly could. There's a world where he can beat Michael Chandler.

1:18:41

There's a world where he can, and then after that, now I'm looking

1:18:43

at the top over that man's world. He could beat Benio Darjush. I

1:18:45

don't know. I don't know. But there's

1:18:47

a path. I just wouldn't bet on it. That's

1:18:50

why I threw that name out there. I knew I'd get no pushback. Can't

1:18:53

argue that point. It's,

1:18:56

he's at 28, right? 29, 29. So he's in his prime now. I think there's still a little

1:18:59

bit of room

1:19:03

to improve. It's not a clear path. I wouldn't bet

1:19:05

on it. If you're asking me what I bet on

1:19:07

it, when I take like five to one Oz and

1:19:09

turn any way. He's your McKinsey during that. He's yeah,

1:19:11

he sounds like in a way. Yeah. I believe Buckley

1:19:14

a little bit too. I still believe Buckley, I think, could

1:19:17

be for a title someday. So him and Buckley, I'm actually

1:19:19

kind of like, I think there's a way. We're

1:19:21

not close. I

1:19:24

would like to see Terrence McKinney fight Benoit Sondony

1:19:26

just because I think that would be fun. Yeah.

1:19:30

Fun. It would be fun. I'll

1:19:33

grant that Terrence McKinney can

1:19:36

win those types of

1:19:38

fights against those type of fighters, the

1:19:40

fun fighters. How many

1:19:42

attempts do

1:19:44

you think it would take Terrence McKinney to beat Max Holloway?

1:19:46

10,000? I mean, no, less

1:19:51

because somewhere in there, there's a random like, Max

1:19:54

Holloway stubs his toe or something. You know what I

1:19:56

mean? So it's not 10,000. It's like 100, right? So

1:19:58

there's a random toast up in there. Where

1:20:00

it's a TKO if I injury so

1:20:02

but I your point I understand So

1:20:07

$400 for a cameo for Gary B. C

1:20:09

Wow Yeah,

1:20:12

KG's biggest takeaway from the show I

1:20:18

went $30 that was 30 resulted

1:20:22

in man Yeah,

1:20:25

because I'm just saying you gotta You're

1:20:27

not what's up with the Nicolas Cage

1:20:30

cameo? He's not on there Never

1:20:35

know man's got taxes to pay He

1:20:43

has a flow of income I

1:20:45

don't think he's on there he's too good for that he's too

1:20:47

good for that That's

1:20:49

a shame. Well, we get funding.

1:20:52

We'll we'll make things happen All

1:20:55

right Hit the music we

1:20:58

out People's

1:21:01

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1:21:03

Eastern get get your questions ready It's gonna be

1:21:05

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1:21:08

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1:21:11

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1:21:13

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1:21:15

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1:21:17

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