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Hello friends, welcome back to the show.

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My guest today is Dr. Joe Dispenza.

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He's a researcher and an author, specialising

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in neuroscience and known for his work

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on neuroplasticity and epigenetics. If your thoughts

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can make you sick, the obvious question

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is whether your thoughts can make you

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well. Just how instrumental are the things

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we think to the way our mind

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and body operate, and how much of

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this is crossing over from experimental subculture

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into legitimate science? Expect to

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learn how to make genuine change in your

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life, why we get addicted to negative thoughts,

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the wild new studies showing the effects of

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Joe's work, how to get more comfortable facing

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the unknown, the many ways our memories lie

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to us, how to stop being a victim

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of life, the most powerful techniques you can

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use to self-regulate, and much

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more. So many wild

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insights coming out of Joe's work,

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and very interesting to hear him

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start to validate these with genuine

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legitimate science and research. I think

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that the next few years you

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can expect to see an awful

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lot more of this stuff, and

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I'm pretty fascinated. I'm very interested

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and intrigued to see just how

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much the world of existing

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science start to accept the ideas and modalities

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now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome

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Dr. Joe Dispenza. How

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do you

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describe what

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you do? I

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think we teach people

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the neuroscience and the biology of change.

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The principle is just really simple. If

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you change, your life changes. Nothing

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changes in our life until we change. One

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of the things that people come up against is why

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is it so hard to change? We've

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come down through a lot of research, a

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simple formula to help people to make

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transformations first in themselves and then their

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lives. We

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give people knowledge and information.

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We use science as that language to

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meet information. We combine

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quantum physics with neuroscience

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and neuroendocrinology and psychoneuroimmunology

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and epigenetics and electromagnetism

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and help people understand

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information that's philosophical, that's

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theoretical. When you learn information,

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you make new connections in your brain. That's what learning

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is. If you don't review it and if

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you don't repeat it, you don't think

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about it, those circuits turn apart within hours

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or days. We run

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these courses, these events that are

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typically seven days where it's fully

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immersing yourself in this

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process of transformation. Give

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people the information. It's philosophical.

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It's theoretical. Have them understand it. They

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have to be present with it. Now, turn

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to someone and teach it back to them

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what you've learned, nerve cells that fire together,

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wire together. In

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time, you begin to install the neurological

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hardware in your brain in preparation for

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the experience. The more you understand what

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you're doing, the more

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you understand why you're doing it, the

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how gets easier because you can assign meaning to

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the task and get a greater outcome. If

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you can't explain it, it's not wired in your brain. It's

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so much easier to forget the information

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than to remember it and just takes

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repetition and attention to get the circuitry

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in place. Once

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you understand the what and the why, we set up

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the conditions and the environment to give people the proper

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instruction. and when you apply it when

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you personalize it when you demonstrate it when

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you initiate that knowledge When

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you get your behaviors to match your intentions and you get

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your actions equal to your thoughts You

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get your mind and body working together You have

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an experience now experience really enriches

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circuitry in the brain and

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when those neurons organize into networks even further

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The brain makes a chemical and that's called

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a feeling or an emotion So

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now when you feel abundant when you feel successful

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you feel unlimited you feel whole The

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experience is teaching the body chemically To

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understand what the mind is intellectually understood So now the

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information is not in the brain anymore the information is

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now in the body and

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the person is embodying the truth of

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that philosophy Right and somehow there's biological

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changes that take place as a result

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of it The question is okay If

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you've done it once you should be

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able to repeat the experience and so

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if people go through a seven-day immersion

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and they keep Repeating the experience they

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begin to neurochemically condition their mind and

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body to begin to work together and When

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you've done something so many times that your body

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now knows how to do it better than your

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conscious mind now It's innate in you you've become

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the knowledge. It's a subconscious program.

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It's who you are So

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we teach people to go from that

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kind of philosophical theoretical knowledge

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to the application To

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initiate it to to ultimately get wise about why

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they're doing it in and so we

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study the neuroscience and biology and we

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work with University of

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California San Diego and we publish

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papers and we do extensive research.

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I really to demystify the process Why

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is it so hard to make genuine change

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happen in our lives people want

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to change? Yeah, they do different things. Why do you? I

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think the biggest Difficulty in change

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is making a different choice. I think

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about the New Year's resolutions. Everybody's Very

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clear about what their intention is what they

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want, but whatever that is But

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if you keep making the same choices, you're

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gonna keep doing the same things you're gonna

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keep creating the same experiences, you're gonna

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keep feeling the same emotions and

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your biology and your neurocircuitry and your chemistry and

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your hormones and even your gene expression is gonna

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stay the same because you're the same. But

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keep thinking the same way and keep acting

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the same way, keep feeling the same way and

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do it over and over again. Those circuits in

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the brain ultimately become

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hardwired and the

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emotions that are a response to someone

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or something, even your own thoughts get

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conditioned subconsciously as

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a program into the body. So

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95% of who we are by

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the middle of our life is an unconscious

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set of thoughts, behaviors, and emotions that

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are automatically programmed into

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our biology. So

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the first step to change is

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not thinking positively. You gotta

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become conscious of those unconscious thoughts when you decide

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to make a different choice and it doesn't feel

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familiar. The thought that says

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start tomorrow, it's too hard, just do it

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anyway, go ahead and make that choice, do

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the same thing. You're not good enough, you'll

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never change, you're too much like your parents,

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I failed last time. You

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have to be able to become so conscious of

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those unconscious thoughts that you

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would never go unconscious to that thought ever again

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and that's change. You'd have to

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catch yourself, how you speak and how you act.

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If you wanna be happy and you're blaming and

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you're complaining and you're feeling sorry for yourself and

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you're judging everyone, those behaviors

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are not gonna make you happy, they're actually gonna

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make you unhappy. So you gotta

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become so conscious of those unconscious

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habituations that you wouldn't go unconscious and

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behave that way. And

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then of course, you gotta look at those emotions

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that are pretty much chemical

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residue from the past and

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decide does this lack, does

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this suffering, does this pain belong in my

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future? And that

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process of becoming so conscious that

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we don't go unconscious is

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the process of change and how many times do we have

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to forget until we stop

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forgetting? and start remembering, that's the moment of change.

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So the hard part about change is when you

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decide to make a different choice, get ready, it's

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going to feel uncomfortable. There's going to be uncertainty.

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You're not going to be able to predict the

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next moment. It's going to feel unfamiliar. So if

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the body has been conditioned to be

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the mind, then the servant is the

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master. So the body starts sending information

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back to the brain to think a

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certain thought so that you make the same choice,

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that you do the same thing, create a similar

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experience. The moment is familiar. I'll get back to

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the same feeling of suffering. Oh, that feels so

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much better than the uncertainty of the unknown. So

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going from the old self to the new

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self and crossing that river literally

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is a neurological, it's a biological, it's

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a chemical, it's a hormonal, it's a

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genetic death of the old self. That's

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the Phoenix lighting itself on fire. And

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most people would rather cling to

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that familiar place than take a chance

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and possibility. That void, that

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vacuum actually is the perfect place to

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create it. And we discovered this, that

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the brain changes the most when

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you get to that point where you think you can't go

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any further and you want to quit. If you go past

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that point, that is the unknown. Now

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the unknown has always been wired

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in our biology that the

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uncertainty of the unknown is always a scary place.

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Is that a tiger in the

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bushes or is that just a shadow? So

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the unknown becomes a very scary place when

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we're living in survival. So most

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people never take that chance and possibility.

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But if a person's actually

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taught how to execute in the unknown

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and there's nothing scarier, and

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they can apply the same principle and say,

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what thoughts do I want to fire and wire

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in my brain? And a belief is just a

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thought you keep thinking over and over again. So

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what is the voice in my head that I

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want to program my brain into

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thinking and believing? What behaviors

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am I going to demonstrate in my life?

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If I'm going to not behave this way

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around this person or around

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the circumstance and I want to behave a

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different way, let me rehearse in my mind, close

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my eyes, and get really clear

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on how I'm gonna respond or behave in

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this circumstance. And the act of

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mental rehearsal literally grows circuits

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in the brain. Now your brain's looking like you've

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already done it. Your

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brain is no longer a record of the

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past. It's being conditioned and mapped into the

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future. So now you have the circuitry in

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place. So if you

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keep practicing that, the hardware becomes more automatic.

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It becomes more of a software program. And

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you start behaving that way. And

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then the biggest challenge then is, okay, if I'm not gonna

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feel suffering, and I'm not gonna

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feel pain, and I'm not

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gonna feel judgment, but I wanna feel grateful for my

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life, can I teach my

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body emotionally what

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my future will feel like before it

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happens? So once you start

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conditioning your body to an elevated

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emotion, we tend to see that

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the heart-centered emotions tend to

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be the ones that produce the most

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dramatic changes in our biology. And

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the body's so objective, it really doesn't know the

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difference between the real life experience that's creating that

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emotion and the emotion that you're creating by thought

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alone. And the

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body starts getting lifted in

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a lot of ways. So keep thinking

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differently, keep acting differently,

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keep feeling differently. That's

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your personality, then your personal reality

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begins to change. And

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with people who cross that river, there's

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new opportunities, there's new experiences,

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there's new events that take place in their life. So that's

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what we teach. So is the

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issue that people, when they want change,

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they don't change deeply enough. They're just

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looking at, well, if I do

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this particular new physical habit, that will be able

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to change things, but the underlying currents that are

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driving that behavior are always going to come in

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and then take over, despite the fact that you

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don't want to eat sugar anymore, or you want

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to be more polite with your partner, or you

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want to be more, it's

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too surface level with a lot of the change that

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tries to be attempted. Yeah, I

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think that. people

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unfortunately have to get knocked

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to our lowest level sometimes,

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you know, where you're

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no longer inside the jar. When you're inside

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the jar, you can't read the label. You

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got to get so uncomfortable that

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you could actually see yourself, right? And so

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that tragedy, that crisis,

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that disease, the diagnosis, the loss,

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it's got to be so severe

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that you finally look at yourself

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and say, maybe it's me. Oh

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my God, could it possibly be

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me? But you're looking at

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yourself kind of through the eyes of

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someone else because you don't feel like you in that

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moment. You're so uncomfortable that you can see yourself. That

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concept is called metacognition, right?

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So a lot of times people wait for

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that crisis or the diagnosis or the betrayal

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to go, oh my God, I

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got to really change because I'm really unhappy

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or I can't blame that person or my

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past or my circumstance because I,

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and nothing's working here. I got to really

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start making those changes. So,

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so when they see themselves separate

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from their program, they're becoming conscious of

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their unconscious self, that

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is the first step to change. Now I

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say you can learn and change in a

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state of pain and suffering, which most people

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who like to do, or you can learn

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and change in a state of joy and

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inspiration, right? So could you be defined by

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the vision of the future and could

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you get up from your morning practice

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actually believing in your future more than you're

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believing in your past? So from that elevated

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state where you combine a clear intention with

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an elevated emotion, from an

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elevated state, instead of a self-limiting state, you

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can be conscious of that old self as

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well. And so I

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think, I think, God, what a great

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time in history to be alive because this is a

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time in history where it's not enough to know. There's

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really a time in history to know how. I've been

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at this long enough, Chris, to know that 20 years

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ago, people didn't hear it like they hear

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it now. The information is readily available and

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people are realizing. God, if I have this dream,

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if I have this goal, how bad do I

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want it? And if they really

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want it, and we've

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all done this, you

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sit down and you say, what would it be like to be

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super healthy, super wealthy, super

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in love, super mystical, and

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transcendental, whatever it is. You

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ask that question and your brain gets really

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creative. It starts combining

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circuits in new ways, and you start

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getting this vision of the future, this

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possibility that you actually put yourself in

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this future reality. It becomes so real

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that you start to feel the emotion

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as if you were actually there. And

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so that moment when you come out

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of your resting state, the stronger the

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emotion you feel, when you

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hold that vision, the more you'll remember that

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vision, that's creating a memory. So

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the person comes out of the resting state and

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they make a decision with

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such firm intention, that

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the amplitude of that decision carries a

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level of energy that causes their body

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to respond to their mind. That

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their choice that they're making in that moment becomes a

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moment in time that they would never forget. They'll say

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to you, I remember the moment I made up my

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mind to change. I was in this place, I was

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with these people, I was at this

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particular time. That the event

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is a long-term memory, and they've come out

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of the resting state. And we could say

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then they're giving their body a taste of

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the future, emotionally, and

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somehow they begin to

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embody whatever that future is, and

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now they begin to move in a different direction.

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And so they start trusting in the future

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more because they feel like they're connected to it. So

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then the person who's

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really interested in making a change would

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have to come to that same state

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again in order to produce

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the same effect. If they say, I don't

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feel like it, or I wanna be nicer

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or whatever, and there's nothing really at stake.

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Intention is really meaning. You gotta

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have a meaning behind what you're

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doing. So people... who now

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say I want a better life, I can't have a better life

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unless I change. Yeah. Uh, and when

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I change my life will change. Now

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you're not so interested in what's happening

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out there. You're more interested

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in what's going on inside of you. To

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go from any state that we're in now

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to a new state, that transformation

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process requires stepping

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from known to unknown. Yeah.

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How can people get more comfortable with stepping

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into the unknown? And why is it such

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a scary place? Ah, let's see if I

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can explain this on two levels. Um,

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the brain is a record of the past. Uh,

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the brain is a reflection of everything in your

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environment that's known to you. It's an

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artifact. It's a repository of

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everything you've learned and experienced in your life. It's

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a memory bank. And

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so people wake up in the morning and

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every person, every object, everything, every place, every

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experience that they've had in their life is

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mapped neurologically in their brain. So they wake

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up in the morning and the first thing

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they do is they think about those problems

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and those problems are memories that are

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really tattooed in the recesses of their gray matter.

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And the moment they start remembering the problem,

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they start remembering the past. They're,

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they're thinking in the past. Every one

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of those experiences or

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problems has an emotion associated to them.

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So the moment they think of the

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past and they start feeling unhappy or

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anxious. Now their bodies in the past

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thoughts of the language of the brain feelings are the language

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of the body thought and

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feeling an image and emotion, a

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stimulus and response, and you're conditioning

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the body emotionally into the familiar

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past. And the body is so

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objective, as I said, doesn't

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know the differences in the real life experience

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and the one that you're imagining, the body

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is actually believing it's living in the environment

17:46

where that problem is actually existing in the

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present moment. So

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that becomes the familiar past

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and we call that the known. Then

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people get up and then they rush through

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a series of automatic routine. behaviors.

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They're on automatic pilot because they do

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the same thing today as they did

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yesterday. And the habit

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is a redundant set of automatic,

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unconscious thoughts, behaviors, and emotions that's

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acquired through repetition. So now

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the person is in the habituation of program

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and their body's dragging them into the same

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predictable future based on what they did in

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their past. In other words, we could take

18:22

a—or yesterday and set it on their tomorrow

18:24

and there's going to be a lot of

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predictability. So if you can predict

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something, then that's the known too. So the

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familiar past is the known, the predictable

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future is the known. There's only one

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place left where the unknown

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exists and that's the sweet spot of

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the generous present moment. And

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so we teach people how

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to master the moment, how to master

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their attention and where you place your

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attention is where you place your energy.

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And paying attention is being present. And

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you know when someone's paying attention to

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you because they're present

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with you and you know when they're present with you because

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they're paying attention to you. Well, it's the exact same thing.

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So you're sitting with your eyes closed and you start thinking,

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how long is this going to go? I got a

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lot of things to do. Oh, God,

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I got to think about that place I got to go to and meet

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that person. I got another meeting over there.

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And now your brain is actually defaulting and

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going to that predictable future. We discovered

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that you're not a bad meditator actually

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at all. This is actually how

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you do meditate. You become conscious

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that you've gone unconscious in your

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predictable future and you return your attention

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back to the present moment. That's

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a victory. Okay, so then

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your body says, hey, it's been about

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an hour. You usually get pretty judgmental

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around this time. You get in traffic,

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you get really angry and

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you're sitting in a meditation and all of a sudden

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you start feeling aroused and

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impatient and frustrated. And most people think,

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oh, well, that means I can't meditate.

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Well, actually your body's used to being

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stimulated from something outside of itself. You

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settle the body back down into the present moment

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and you tell it, it's no longer the

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mind, you're the mind. Do

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this enough times and train the body to

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be in the present moment, to be in

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the unknown. Become a moment

20:09

where the body is no longer the mind. The

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servant's no longer the master, you're the mind.

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And when that occurs, there's

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this tremendous liberation of energy that

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takes place in the body. The body's going from

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particle to wave. It's going from matter to energy.

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The body's being freed from

20:26

the chains of the past or the predictable future.

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And we discover energy actually kind of moves

20:31

right into a person's heart. And they start

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feeling really grateful to be

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in the present moment instead of being

20:37

in the unknown and trying to predict

20:39

the next moment. So it's

20:42

a practice. And if you practice it on a

20:44

regular basis, we discovered you can get really good

20:46

at being in the

20:48

unknown and going against thousands of

20:50

years of programming that says the

20:52

unknown is a dangerous

20:55

and a scary place. There's better chances

20:57

of survival if you run from the

21:00

unknown than you embrace it. So you put the person

21:02

to keep relaxing until the unknown. And

21:04

sooner or later, they realize nothing bad is

21:06

happening in the unknown and they just start

21:08

relaxing and expanding. And there's just

21:10

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21:12

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wisdom. How

22:20

do people become addicted to their own thoughts?

22:22

It seems like there is this degree of

22:24

familiarity with what we're used to here,

22:26

but there would be a question if

22:28

these thoughts are negative. If they're negative emotions,

22:30

if they're tormenting me, if they're making me

22:32

feel bad, why would I

22:35

continue to just be my own torturer 24

22:37

hours a day? Well, an

22:40

addiction is something that you

22:42

think you can't stop.

22:45

An addiction is when you know something

22:47

is not good for you and

22:50

you tend to choose and do it

22:52

anyway. So it turns out that

22:56

living in stress is living in survival. And

22:59

when you perceive a threat or a danger

23:02

or you perceive something that's potentially going to

23:04

get worse in your life or you

23:07

can't control or predict something in your life, you

23:10

switch on that primitive nervous system called the fight

23:12

or flight nervous system. And it's creating a lot

23:14

of chemicals to get you awake. It's

23:16

getting you ready. It's wanting you to perform.

23:18

But if it gets, there's too much. The

23:22

rush of that adrenaline

23:25

is like a surge of

23:27

energy. It's an arousal. And

23:29

people get addicted to that

23:32

rush of energy. So they

23:34

use the problems, they use

23:36

the conditions, the stories of the

23:38

past in their life to reaffirm

23:40

their addiction to that emotion. So

23:42

they need the bad job, they

23:44

need the bad relationship, they need

23:46

the challenging conditions in their life

23:48

because it makes them feel something.

23:51

So when

23:54

you're living in stress, stress is when your brain

23:56

and body are knocked out of homeostasis. Stress

23:58

is when your brain and out of balance. So

24:01

the moment you react to someone or something

24:03

in your life and you switch on that

24:05

system of arousal and it's an emergency system,

24:07

your body moves completely out of balance. It's

24:10

mobilizing all of its energy for

24:13

some threat, real or imagined. Okay,

24:15

the problem with human beings is

24:18

for zebra or for a gazelle,

24:20

if it outruns the lion, it

24:23

goes back to grazing. The event is over and the

24:25

stress is short term. But if

24:27

it's a constant exposure to stressors in

24:29

your life, what becomes

24:31

once was maladaptive, adaptive

24:34

becomes very maladaptive. Because

24:36

when you turn on that stress response and you

24:38

can't turn it off, now you're headed for disease

24:40

because your body's constantly out of homeostasis and balance.

24:43

So okay, so the event is over

24:45

and someone betrayed you or

24:47

you lost your job or you got fired

24:49

and you can't stop thinking about it. So

24:52

every time you think about that problem, you're

24:55

turning on the stress response just by thought

24:57

alone. So if the hormones

24:59

of stress are addictive and you

25:02

can turn on the stress response just by thought alone, you

25:04

could become addicted to your own thoughts. And

25:09

if you have to keep talking about

25:11

those problems to get the rush of

25:13

adrenaline, your thoughts can knock

25:16

you out of balance as well. And it's

25:18

a scientific fact that the long term effects of

25:20

the hormones of stress push the

25:22

genetic buttons that create disease, which means your

25:24

thoughts could literally make you sick. So

25:28

then if your thoughts can make you sick, the

25:30

fundamental question is can your thoughts make you well? And

25:32

that's what we're interested in covering.

25:35

Talk to me about stepping into that

25:37

loop, that addictive

25:39

loop of the negative

25:42

thoughts. Yeah, so every time you have a

25:44

thought, you make a chemical. And

25:46

if you have a happy thought or

25:48

think of something happy, you

25:50

turn on a set of neurological networks in your

25:53

brain that fire in a sequence, a pattern, a

25:55

combination that signals another part

25:57

of the brain, the brain makes another chemical that's

25:59

a and chemical messenger that makes

26:02

you feel a certain way as you secrete

26:04

a certain hormone. The moments you start to

26:06

feel happy, the moments you start

26:08

to feel joyful, your brain is checking in with

26:10

your body and saying, Chris, you're feeling pretty joyful.

26:13

And so then the chemistry influences

26:15

you to think more wonderful

26:17

thoughts. And so the

26:20

cycle of thinking and feeling and feeling and thinking

26:22

creates what we call a state of being. But

26:25

you could have thoughts

26:27

that make you feel guilty, and

26:30

you can turn on a different set

26:32

of circuits in your brain that signal

26:34

a different batch of neuropeptides, that signal

26:36

a different hormonal center to make you

26:39

feel differently. The moment you feel miserable,

26:41

the moment you feel victimized, the moment

26:43

you feel suffering, the moment you feel

26:45

pain, and you can't think greater than

26:47

how you feel, the brain's checking with

26:49

the body and saying you're really miserable,

26:52

and it generates more corresponding thoughts equal

26:54

to that feeling. So it's thinking and feeling

26:56

and feeling and thinking, this loop of thinking

26:59

and feeling and feeling and thinking creates a

27:01

state of being. And again, the thought and

27:03

the feeling, the image and the

27:05

emotion, the stimulus and response is

27:08

making the body become conditioned

27:11

subconsciously into the

27:13

past. And so now the

27:15

person has to feel that

27:17

same motion to reaffirm

27:19

their identity. So that becomes

27:22

their state of being, and now they

27:24

behave as if

27:26

they're in their past, and

27:28

they think as if they're in their past. What

27:33

ways do our memories lie to us? Wow.

27:40

Well, everybody has a story, right? And

27:45

the way we make memories is

27:48

from emotions. So if

27:50

you have an event in your life that's

27:53

highly traumatic, just as an example, the

27:56

moment you perceive that event in

27:58

your life through your senses, the

28:01

chemical information that's coming back as

28:03

information to your body is telling you

28:06

to be altered. So once

28:08

you begin to change your internal state,

28:10

the greater the change in your internal

28:12

state from its normal continuity, the

28:15

more the brain freezes a

28:17

frame and takes a snapshot, and

28:20

that's called the long-term memory. So

28:22

then the person thinks neurologically within

28:24

the circuitry of that experience,

28:26

and they feel within the boundaries of the

28:29

emotions of that experience. Every

28:31

time they review the event

28:33

in their mind, they're

28:35

producing the same chemistry in their brain and

28:38

body as if the event was occurring. So

28:40

again, the body's reliving the trauma 50 to

28:43

100 times in the day, and now the trauma

28:45

is no longer in the brain. The trauma is

28:48

emotionally conditioned in the body, right? So

28:50

if you say to the

28:52

person, why are you so bitter? Why

28:55

are you so sad? Why are you so

28:57

unhappy? They'll say, I am

28:59

this way because of this event that happened to

29:01

me 10 years ago, which for

29:03

the really saying is, after that event, I

29:07

changed and I have not been able

29:09

to change since this event. Well,

29:11

the research on memory says

29:14

that if you ask that person

29:17

that story of the actual count,

29:19

50% of that story is

29:21

no longer the truth. In other

29:23

words, they're embellishing the story so

29:26

they can excuse themselves, they're making it

29:28

worse, they're making the conditions worse, they're

29:31

telling the story and they're embellishing it

29:33

to some degree to excuse themselves from

29:35

changing, right? So if 50%

29:37

of that story isn't even the truth, they're

29:39

reliving a miserable life they never even had,

29:42

all to reaffirm their addiction to that emotional

29:44

state. So

29:46

here's the crazy part because we

29:49

work with veterans and

29:51

Navy SEALs, and can

29:55

you then forget

29:57

about the memory? just

30:00

overcome the emotion because the

30:02

memory without the emotional charge is called wisdom and

30:05

Now you no longer belong to

30:07

the past you're ready to create

30:09

a new future And so the

30:11

stories we tell about our past

30:14

are only stories we tell when we feel

30:16

those emotions We would never

30:18

tell that story when we feel a different emotion. Why?

30:22

because because The

30:24

person's telling the feeling that emotion and

30:26

that emotion is the record of the

30:28

memory Homically so

30:31

they're telling the story because they can't think

30:33

greater than that feeling feelings have become the

30:35

means of thinking But what if you told

30:37

a different story and that's exactly what we

30:39

teach people to do stop

30:41

romancing your past Start

30:43

romancing your future stop telling the story of your

30:46

past start telling the story of your future stop

30:48

believing in your past Start

30:50

believing in a new future in and

30:52

that process is an unlearning and a

30:55

relearning process It's literally breaking the habit

30:57

of being yourself and reinventing

30:59

a new self. It's it's pruning synaptic

31:01

connections. It's sprouting new connections It's

31:04

unfiring. It's unwiring. It's refiring. It's

31:06

rewiring. It's deprogramming. It's reprogramming It's

31:09

losing your mind and creating a new one

31:11

It's unmemorizing emotions that are stored in the

31:13

body and then reconditioning the body to a new

31:15

mind into a new emotion And so

31:17

what happens in this immersive

31:19

experience when we do our week-long events is

31:21

we take that person right to that point

31:23

of that emotion where

31:25

they say I gotta go

31:28

this is too uncomfortable and We

31:31

we don't want them to white-knuckle it

31:33

there. We give them something to do and if

31:36

they practice that formula and They

31:40

keep lowering the volume to that emotion sooner

31:43

or later the body becomes liberated they're stepping

31:45

out into the unknown and We've

31:48

seen people who have had the most

31:50

brutal the most horrific

31:54

The most difficult past Look

31:57

back at their past and say I would never

32:00

never want to change one thing in my

32:02

past because it got me to this

32:04

moment. And that's the moment

32:06

the past no longer exists. They look at their

32:08

betrayers, they look at their abusers, and they see

32:10

the purposeful good and

32:12

the meaning behind all of

32:15

that that had to happen because it would have never

32:17

brought them to this moment. And I think that's the

32:19

moment the past no longer exists. What

32:22

is one of your

32:24

favorite stories of somebody who's been locked

32:27

into one of these loops for a little while? Oh,

32:31

gosh, there's so many of them. We

32:35

just had a woman

32:37

on the stage in

32:40

Dallas. And I

32:43

watched this woman come to the event

32:45

months before. This event in Dallas was

32:47

an advanced follow-up, but she

32:49

had done the week-long seven-day retreat.

32:53

And she was in Dallas and she was sitting in

32:55

Denver. She

32:58

was sitting in the front way from the audience

33:02

under a screen, under the screens. And

33:04

she was in a lounge

33:06

and she had a wheelchair and

33:08

she had a scooter and she

33:11

had oxygen and she had a

33:13

lot of crutches. And

33:16

she was kind of camped out in that area there. And

33:20

she had about five different serious

33:23

health conditions. And

33:26

at the end of course,

33:28

she couldn't get up, get

33:32

off the couch if she went to the bathroom.

33:36

She was done for the day in terms of

33:38

her amount of energy she had. She was living

33:40

on six foods. She was

33:42

on all kinds of medications and

33:44

couldn't think greater than how she

33:46

felt. So if you

33:48

see a person like that, you think there's

33:50

really not a whole lot of hope for

33:53

this person. And yet she

33:57

began to learn the information. and

34:00

begin to practice the information for the

34:03

entire week. And

34:06

at the end of the seven-day

34:08

event, we were doing a walking

34:10

meditation as a group outside, and

34:14

I saw her out of her wheelchair smiling

34:16

and walking, and they

34:19

sent me her testimonial,

34:21

and I read the whole thing. And

34:24

then when she was in Dallas, she

34:26

came to the event's follow-up, and they brought

34:28

her backstage to tell me

34:30

the story. And she told

34:32

me the story, and it wasn't until she got on the stage

34:35

that I realized that that was the woman that

34:37

was in Denver, because she

34:39

did not look like the same person.

34:41

She looked like a completely

34:44

different person. She has none of

34:46

those health conditions any longer. She's

34:48

doing all the things that she was doing before she

34:50

had them, and she

34:53

broke out. She had her moment, and

34:55

when she changed, her biology

34:57

changed. To

35:00

a lot of people, that sounds fantastical.

35:04

It sounds almost unbelievable. It

35:07

is unbelievable. It really is

35:09

unbelievable. I mean, I have difficulty believing some

35:11

of the things in terms of the testimonials

35:13

and transformations we've

35:15

witnessed. I have

35:18

watched certain testimonials of

35:20

people giving their accounts of all kinds

35:22

of crazy changes in their health conditions,

35:24

like muscular

35:28

dystrophy. I've never

35:30

seen a case of that reversed. I

35:33

know that it's a degenerative condition, and yet this

35:36

guy left the event walking,

35:38

and he was in a wheelchair when he came.

35:41

And I watched that testimonial. I

35:43

must have watched it a hundred times. I

35:45

watched it a hundred times because I couldn't believe it. I

35:48

could not believe that this guy was

35:50

standing, and I could not stop looking

35:53

at the joy on his face and

35:56

the excitement and the enthusiasm he

35:58

had for life. It was so

36:00

real and so authentic. I couldn't believe it.

36:03

And so it's difficult to

36:06

believe this. I have difficulty believing it

36:08

in a lot of times. But there's

36:10

nothing like a good story because

36:13

that person who's standing on a stage who's

36:15

telling their story is a four-minute mile. They're

36:18

breaking through some level of consciousness or

36:21

unconsciousness, and they're the example of truth.

36:24

They're examples of the truth of the collective

36:26

and the collective who's listening to the story

36:28

of transformation. And

36:30

they're seeing that the person doesn't look

36:32

vegan and doesn't look ketogenic and doesn't

36:35

look young and buffed, but looks like

36:37

a normal person. And

36:40

that person is seeing, and they came blind or they're

36:42

hearing because they were deaf or they had stage four

36:44

cancer and they don't have it. Invariably

36:47

someone in the audience is going to look at them and

36:49

say, God, they're no different than me. If

36:51

they can do it, I can do it. And

36:53

that now is information

36:55

for the collective to

36:58

believe in a greater level of possibility. And I

37:00

think that that's exactly

37:02

how it becomes infectious.

37:05

Health and wellness become as infectious as

37:07

disease. We see this at events all the

37:09

time. So yes, it is unbelievable. And I

37:12

have to catch myself. You tell me, pick

37:14

one, and I think, oh, half of these

37:16

ones I would tell. Most

37:18

people wouldn't believe because they're unbelievable.

37:20

But we have a lot of those. Well, you have

37:22

a huge research team that's been collecting, I think I

37:25

heard 500 billion pieces

37:27

of data in one form or another. Given

37:29

the fact that these outcomes that you're

37:32

talking about are so unbelievable, are you

37:34

having to work additionally hard, be additionally

37:36

rigorous when it comes to the science

37:38

in order to dispel any accusations of

37:40

the pseudoscience stuff? Gosh,

37:43

what a great conversation. Thanks for asking the question.

37:46

The whole reason that

37:48

I started measuring, and we've been measuring for a long

37:51

time now, was

37:53

because when I saw someone with MS in

37:55

a wheelchair come to the event

37:57

in a wheelchair and walk out without one. I

38:00

said we got to start measuring. What is

38:02

happening in that person's brain? What

38:05

is happening in their body? What's

38:07

happening in their biology? What's happening on a

38:09

cellular level? Is there information in their blood?

38:11

What's happening to their immune system? We

38:14

started gathering a lot of data. We

38:18

have way over 500 billion

38:21

data points. That's usually just one

38:23

or two studies. When

38:26

we started partnering with the University of

38:28

California, San Diego, I simply said to

38:32

those scientists, okay, same

38:34

thoughts, same choices, same

38:37

behaviors, same experiences, same

38:39

emotions, that's the known, same

38:43

biology. Sounds

38:45

right. New thoughts, new choices,

38:47

new behaviors, new experiences, new emotions,

38:50

new biology. Possibly

38:52

that's a good hypothesis. You're willing to measure it. We've

38:57

measured so many things in

39:00

the human body that says that you can

39:02

change your brain to work

39:04

way better in four days. You can make your

39:07

heart way better. You can

39:09

express new genes. You

39:12

could release thousands of metabolites, thousands

39:14

and thousands of metabolites in seven

39:16

days that promote growth and repair

39:18

in your body. We

39:21

find information in meditators'

39:24

blood that has a resistance to

39:26

viruses, all kinds of viruses, even

39:28

ones with spikes, that

39:31

the information in advanced

39:33

meditators' blood somehow diminishes

39:35

mitochondrial function in

39:38

cancer cells. That's the energy in the

39:40

cell. Not a little bit,

39:42

but 70%, which is dramatic. Cancer

39:44

cells love to multiply and move, and

39:47

they have no energy. They

39:49

don't live as long. There's information

39:51

in the blood of advanced meditators

39:55

that somehow downregulates the genes

39:57

for Alzheimer's. We're

39:59

finding... finding robust amounts

40:02

of endogenous opiates

40:04

that reduce pain across the

40:06

board. We measured 63 different

40:10

health conditions, 63 different diseases,

40:13

all different diseases, one intervention, and

40:18

the majority of those people have a

40:20

significant reduction in pain and

40:22

a very elevated level of

40:24

endogenous opiates in their

40:26

bloodstream, you know, natural pain relievers,

40:29

natural chemicals that make you feel

40:31

good. And

40:34

so we just, we've explored the microbiome,

40:37

we've seen that you can change your

40:39

microbiome in seven days to look like

40:41

a way healthier person without taking a

40:43

probiotic, without changing your

40:45

diet, without eliminating anything. Somehow,

40:49

the microbiome changes dramatically for the

40:51

better. And the

40:53

reason is because they're not the same person

40:55

any longer, they're a different person. So we've

40:58

spent the last four years working with the

41:00

University of California, San Diego in

41:02

doing extensive research on the brain, extensive

41:04

research on heart measurements,

41:08

a lot of blood values, urine,

41:12

everything. We measure

41:14

saliva, we measure breast milk,

41:17

we measure tears, I mean, we've measured just

41:20

about everything. And the deeps published, these results are

41:22

published? Yes, we have some papers that are published

41:24

now. We have

41:26

some papers that are in peer review right now.

41:28

We have about five more papers that

41:30

we're getting busy writing, but we

41:32

have, we probably have the largest

41:34

database in the world on meditation

41:36

right now. What

41:39

are the most common criticisms that you get? Wow.

41:46

I would say that, you know,

41:48

when you see the empirical science,

41:50

a lot of people that

41:53

see the data, whether we

41:55

show it to reputable universities and professors

41:57

or to NASA or to whoever. I

42:01

think one of the things that people have

42:03

the most There's

42:05

the most shock and surprise is that you

42:08

never see these type of changes in Seven

42:11

days like your drug study. You don't ever

42:13

see these kind of we're talking about Thousands

42:16

of genes have regulated to suggest the person's

42:19

living in a completely in different environment Completely

42:22

different life and they're in a ballroom, you know So

42:24

so when you see the effects change like that in

42:26

seven days anybody who's a scientist that

42:29

has that trained mind

42:31

they're gonna fall out of their chair because

42:34

it's the the The

42:36

metagenomics around it is not just one

42:38

or two people. It's it's the whole

42:40

entire group. So think about it 1500

42:44

2,000 2,500 different people

42:47

all different genotypes. Everybody has

42:49

their own gene sequence Okay

42:51

at the end of seven days 77 percent

42:54

of those people are signaling the

42:56

same genes and making the same proteins That's

42:59

kind of wild. That means that the flock the

43:02

herd the school, you know,

43:04

they're everybody's evolving There's an

43:06

emergent consciousness That's

43:08

actually everybody's biology is

43:10

evolving together like and

43:12

that's and that's exciting because people

43:16

Change people that's what we discovered. So

43:19

when we show the data to people And

43:21

you they see it The

43:24

conversation that we used to have where we'd have

43:26

to be on the defense Has

43:28

changed dramatically because these are double blind

43:31

and triple blind placebo studies.

43:33

These are there's very very

43:35

rigorous studies so

43:37

so the scientists that sees it

43:39

questions the time and Then,

43:42

you know a drug study is about

43:45

25 percent effective, you know, and it

43:47

usually takes Three

43:49

to six months before you see the efficacy it turn

43:51

out Our data

43:53

is like somewhere Between

43:56

75 and 100 percent So

43:59

it's It shows that

44:02

the nervous system is

44:04

the greatest pharmacist in the world. It actually

44:06

works better than any

44:08

drug. So when people

44:10

really begin to see the science

44:12

and it challenges

44:15

their belief, it challenges, I keep telling the

44:17

scientists, I can't believe this is the truth.

44:20

Like I'm more surprised than anybody. But

44:22

I also say to them, where do those chemicals come from?

44:25

Where are they coming from? The person's not

44:27

taking opiates. They're not

44:30

taking anti-carcinogen. They're not

44:32

taking anything to

44:34

change their biology. Like this is coming from

44:36

within them. So

44:39

it's been changing the conversation

44:41

in medicine quite a bit.

44:44

And we're just working on finding the language. But

44:47

people who see the data are

44:49

very surprised and they wanna know what we're doing,

44:52

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44:54

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at checkout. you doing longitudinal studies?

46:01

Are you seeing how long the immersive

46:03

stuff, what sort of effects does this

46:05

lock in over time? Are people reverting

46:08

as soon as they're out of this

46:10

very energetic group of people? What's happening

46:12

at the time? Yeah, that's a great

46:15

question. So that's one of the things

46:18

about this work that I really, really

46:22

love in terms of our community. It's

46:25

not like people go, oh, well,

46:27

I gotta go meditate today. It's the morning. It's

46:30

not, it's not how our community is. Like

46:32

the majority of the people that come to a

46:34

week long event keep doing the

46:36

work. And the majority of them do because

46:38

the magic in their life is starting to

46:40

happen and why would

46:43

you want to stop from,

46:46

from having those events actually

46:48

take place? So we

46:52

see that people who heal,

46:54

this sounds kind of crazy

46:56

and we've had a lot of people instantaneously

46:58

have a reversal

47:01

in the health condition from one meditation,

47:03

from one inward experience. There's

47:05

an arousal that takes place in their nervous

47:08

system. They move into these heightened states

47:10

of gamma brainwave patterns. The

47:13

person is having an inward experience that's greater

47:15

than the betrayal or the trauma from the

47:17

past. And somehow there's an upgrade

47:20

in their biology. Like there's

47:22

the eczema, now it's gone. There's

47:24

the myosinogravus, now it's gone. There's the Parkinson's,

47:26

it was there, now it's gone. There's the

47:28

cancer, now it's gone. There's the deafness, now

47:30

the person's hearing, now the blindness, the person's

47:33

seeing, it's like that. It's like a person

47:35

comes back and there's an upgrade. What do

47:37

you think is happening inside of the body?

47:39

What's going on? Okay. So

47:41

anyway, I'll be finished. That thought and then I'll

47:43

answer it. Cause it's important to ask that question.

47:46

Those people who have those biological upgrades

47:48

that are instantaneous, when

47:50

we measure them three months down the road,

47:52

six months down the road, nine

47:54

months down the road, there's a sustained

47:56

change. They got the upgrade. If they continue

47:58

to do the practice. No, no, no. Even if they don't do

48:00

the practice, they got a very good upgrade. Now

48:02

a certain percentage of people that have

48:05

an upgrade like that and they go back

48:07

to the stressful life, the

48:09

Parkinson's returns, the cancer returns

48:11

because they're back to the same personality

48:14

again and they're making the same chemistry. Now many

48:16

of those people continue in

48:18

that direction. Other people catch themselves and

48:20

they said, if I change this Parkinson's

48:22

once because my father's in the

48:24

hospital and I'm emotionally reacted, I can

48:26

change it again. And they actually change it again.

48:32

And then there's people who go through

48:34

that process of breaking

48:37

the habit of being themselves

48:39

and becoming reinventing another person

48:41

and it's a constant process

48:44

of change. You can't get a super responder

48:46

with the first one and done type person.

48:49

One connection, one

48:51

moment of connection like

48:54

a brainstorm. And

48:56

those people who cross the river of change,

48:58

they tend to do the work consistently

49:01

because they want to keep changing. They're

49:03

not doing their meditations to

49:05

heal. They're doing their meditations to

49:07

change. And when they

49:09

understand when they change, they heal. So it's the

49:12

process of change that they're interested in. So

49:15

we have a good percentage of

49:17

people who do the work and

49:20

after they finish the immersive experience that sustain

49:22

those changes. And we have a lot of

49:24

people that sustain changes whether they do it

49:27

or they don't do it. So what's happening

49:29

in their biology? That's a great question. Let's

49:32

see if I can answer this in

49:35

a methodical way. Your

49:39

senses plug you into three dimensional reality, right?

49:42

So if I took away your sight, if

49:44

I took away your hearing, I took away your

49:47

smell, your taste and feeling with your body, you

49:49

would have no experience of three dimensional reality.

49:51

You would still be conscious, but you would

49:54

be conscious of nothing material or physical. You

49:56

would just be conscious that you're conscious and

49:59

you would be conscious of nothing. in a sense. So

50:03

when a person is

50:05

immersed in three-dimensional reality, their

50:08

neocortex, their thinking brain, is

50:11

super busy scanning the environment

50:13

and associating knowns and

50:16

it's got to process a lot of information that's coming in

50:18

through the senses, what it's seeing, what it's hearing, what it's

50:20

smelling, what it's tasting, what it's feeling, and

50:23

that a lot of that information is coming

50:25

in, the brain's job is to create meaning

50:27

between your inner world and your outer world, and

50:30

if you were to measure a person's brainwaves, they're

50:32

pretty much in beta brainwave patterns, and that means

50:35

you're conscious, you're awake,

50:38

and you're aware that you're in a body local

50:40

in space and time. You're aware of your environment

50:42

and you're aware of time. And

50:44

that's how we navigate in three-dimensional reality, and

50:46

there's neurotransmitters in the brain that support that,

50:48

okay? If

50:50

I said to you, you got to do a speech

50:53

and it's got to be done by,

50:56

without any notes, you got about 45 minutes

50:58

to prepare, your brain would kind

51:00

of perk up a little bit and it would be

51:03

kind of a good stress, you'd have to perform, you're

51:05

confident, you'd have to get ready, you'd have to change

51:07

your state, you'd have to think, you'd have to, all

51:09

right, what do I want to talk about? I got

51:11

to change my state. You would move into mid-range beta,

51:13

light bulb gets a little brighter, and

51:15

you're a little bit more ready, in

51:17

a sense. But when you react in

51:19

your emotional and your stress and your out

51:22

of balance, you go into this very high

51:24

beta brainwave pattern, and that's

51:26

three times as high as

51:28

low-level beta. That's when the

51:31

brain is in first gear on the freeway. It

51:34

is you consuming all of its energy

51:36

and it's sweeping the environment and it's

51:38

shifting its attention from one person to

51:40

another person to another problem to another

51:42

thing to another place. It's trying to

51:44

forecast, it's trying to predict, and the

51:46

brain starts firing very, very disintegrated. It

51:48

starts, it's firing incoherently out of order.

51:51

And people, they need a drug or they need

51:53

a drink or they need something to take away

51:56

that kind of state. And their

51:58

thoughts are literally driving the brain

52:00

into higher and higher states of beta. Their

52:03

addiction to those thoughts are driving the

52:05

brain out of balance. Okay, so

52:08

when you're in that state, you're

52:10

very narrow-focused, you're obsessing on things.

52:12

That's what the brain does. It

52:14

over-thinks, it over-analyzes. So

52:17

if you can change your brainwaves from

52:20

beta to alpha, now your

52:22

inner world starts becoming more real than your

52:24

outer world, and in a sense, you're become

52:27

more creative. Your brain stops talking to you

52:29

in your head, you stop analyzing, you

52:31

start seeing images, you start seeing pictures, and

52:33

alpha is an imaginary, very creative state. You're

52:36

still aware of your outer environment, but not

52:38

so much. Okay, so here's

52:40

the answer to your question. If

52:42

you can get so relaxed that

52:45

your body moves into a light state, and

52:48

it's in a light rest, and you're conscious

52:51

and awake, now you're in

52:53

theta, and that's a very hypnotic state.

52:56

And when you're in a

52:58

hypnotic state, you're in a state of trance,

53:01

and you're very suggestible to information.

53:04

And suggestibility is your ability to accept

53:06

information, to believe the information, to surrender

53:08

to it, and that's what

53:10

can program a person to do about just

53:12

about anything, right? So a hypnotist uses, when

53:16

he's making suggestions, the person who's in theta,

53:18

the door between their conscious mind and

53:20

the subconscious mind is wide open to

53:22

information. Okay, so that makes

53:24

sense. You're getting information through your

53:26

senses, and you're in theta, you're in a hypnotic state.

53:28

But what if the person's eyes are closed? What

53:32

if there's music

53:34

filling the space, they're not

53:36

eating, they're not tasting, they're not smelling,

53:38

they're not experiencing, they're not feeling,

53:40

and they're in that realm of theta, and

53:43

I ask them, instead of the put, they're

53:45

all of their attention on

53:47

everything physical, and everything

53:49

material, to open their awareness, instead of narrow

53:51

their focus, broaden their focus, and put their

53:53

attention, not on the material, but on the

53:56

in-material, not on the particle, but the wave,

53:58

not on matter, but on energy. Energy

54:00

and. And. The Adam

54:02

is Ninety Nine, Point Nine Nine Nine

54:04

Nine percent information and energy. Okay, so

54:06

having a person focus on nothing misses

54:08

the funny part about it and broadening their

54:11

focus. If Harry can dial down to

54:13

sinking Neocortex the Saida, they'll have no experience

54:15

of their body, no experience with environment,

54:17

to know spurns of time and there

54:19

and say that they're still suggest both The.

54:23

But they're not aware of their outer

54:25

environment, but they're still suggest. well. There's

54:27

only one other place that information comes

54:29

from minutes, frequency. And. All

54:31

frequency radio waves five Psi waves

54:33

are x rays are all carry

54:35

information. so when the person opens

54:37

their awareness to the wave function

54:39

to energy into information, they pay

54:41

more attention to that and less

54:43

attention to themselves. More a can

54:45

of mordor that's and less to

54:47

the three dimensional reality. If there's

54:49

if there's coherence in the brain.

54:51

All. The sudden the person has

54:54

a moment of connection. In

54:57

the brain goes into a

54:59

gamma brain wave state. And

55:01

gamma now isn't arousal, it's

55:03

super consciousness. But it's not

55:05

coming from seer. Is

55:07

not coming from aggression? Our anger? Not

55:10

going from pain, the arousal the

55:12

a person is making connection in

55:14

in when we measure the amount of

55:17

Gamma that's taking place in the person's

55:19

brain. Three

55:21

percent, or two percent to three

55:23

percent the population In anything that

55:26

we're measuring really good is three

55:28

standard deviations outside of normal. These

55:31

people were two hundred three hundred

55:33

four hundred five hundred standard deviations

55:35

outside of normal and freeze Really

55:38

great. Is this on an Fm?

55:40

Our eyes and is unlocked quantitative

55:42

eg. and we see the same

55:44

pattern the limbic brain. the

55:46

seat of the autonomic nervous system

55:49

is functioning of very very coherent

55:51

highly organized very very fast frequency

55:53

of gamma now remember stress is

55:56

autonomic this regulation right this regular

55:58

in the autonomic nervous system moving

56:00

out of balance. These

56:03

high states of gamma is

56:06

autonomic regulation. Now the autonomic

56:08

nervous system controls and coordinates every system

56:10

in the body. And

56:12

if it's processing an energy and a frequency

56:14

that fast, every single

56:17

cell in the body is getting

56:19

the information and the body's literally

56:21

raised in energy and raised in

56:23

frequency. And that's when you

56:25

see the instantaneous upgrade that

56:28

goes on biologically in a person's body.

56:30

We actually now can predict

56:32

it. When we see a person moving to a certain level

56:35

of theta, we can say, oh boy,

56:37

this is gonna be really good, like

56:39

really good. And that person is

56:42

having a very, very powerful

56:44

internal experience. What

56:46

is the felt sense that

56:49

somebody will tend to go through during

56:51

that process? What's the embodied

56:53

subjective experience of going through this?

56:56

So we have a scientist

56:58

that studies the

57:00

language of transformation from

57:02

the University of Central Oklahoma, a

57:05

super great guy. And he's been studying

57:07

the language of transformation and all the

57:09

testimonials of many of the people who

57:11

have had these moments. And

57:16

the subjective experience is twofold.

57:21

It's very somatic.

57:24

When I mean somatic, I mean like they

57:26

say, like every single cell in

57:28

my body was vibrating at

57:31

a faster frequency. I felt incredible. My

57:33

heart felt like it was gonna blow

57:35

open. I felt like I was

57:37

filled with light. They'll give you like something

57:40

very somatic, like oh my God, I felt

57:42

this in my body. And

57:44

then it's also very emotional. That's the other

57:46

part. But it's not like emotional, like I've

57:49

never felt love. I thought

57:51

I understood love. I thought I have felt love.

57:53

I've never felt Love like this. I

57:55

felt so connected. I felt so whole.

57:57

I felt so pure. I've

58:00

I've felt it was the most

58:02

familiar unfamiliar feeling I've ever had.

58:04

Oh my god I forgot. Ah

58:07

I forgot that I was there

58:09

was within me. Whatever I'm and

58:11

then and then the other elements

58:13

is after that they they have

58:15

a language where they only to

58:17

news metaphor to describe the unknown

58:20

experience They'll say I'm. They.

58:22

Are my heart turn on like an

58:24

engine that is hop on my head

58:26

blew off Their was lightning coming out

58:29

of my fingertips. There is a h

58:31

their frightening to explain but will say

58:33

well wasn't lightning really it's just felt

58:35

like this but it was more like

58:37

this. So I'm so the the language

58:40

specialists that has been setting this had

58:42

his own moment. Ah at an event

58:44

we did Marco Island. Last

58:47

September. Where. He connected and

58:49

hum I sat down with him

58:51

talk to him and he could

58:53

not. Find. The language

58:55

at the Language Guy. Well I wish I

58:57

could not find the language to explain what

58:59

the heck happened to him, but he was

59:01

totally switched on. So. So

59:03

there's there's an arousal that takes place

59:05

their high gamma brain wave patterns. It's

59:08

autonomic regulation is very some addict is

59:10

very emotional and and I'm there and

59:12

people describe it kind of like a

59:15

connection. Only. Talk

59:17

about Sia. Why

59:19

do you think it's such a pervasive

59:21

emotion given. That. We're living in a

59:23

time which has never been safer than ever before.

59:26

Yeah, Well. I

59:28

think Syria has been very adapters for

59:30

us as human beings and I think

59:32

you know if you if you have

59:34

a lot of common sense and you're

59:36

navigating in your life hum there's certain

59:38

things. That. Use you

59:40

avoid. That

59:42

I think is healthy am I

59:44

think there's a things where are

59:47

you can't predict something or you

59:49

can't control something. In

59:51

you can get ready. Us in the early

59:53

stages of fear is a ton of rev

59:55

up and you get ready. You're a person,

59:58

wants to pay security acts, your. Ready

1:00:00

for something right? And and I think

1:00:02

that's healthy. I'm I'm when it's within

1:00:04

a limit and then when it gets

1:00:07

to that point where you absolutely have

1:00:09

a perception that is going to get

1:00:11

worse and set of get better. That's

1:00:14

when the brain goes into these these

1:00:16

high states of arousal. Morales was really

1:00:18

pay a lot of attention to your

1:00:20

body. pay lot of attention to everything

1:00:23

in your environment. Do not take your

1:00:25

tensions degree vigilance yet as it is

1:00:27

vigilance And and try to predict the.

1:00:29

Worst. Thing. Right now that

1:00:32

could possibly happen. predict the worse, because if you

1:00:34

can, get ready for worse, And.

1:00:36

You're ready for anything less it happens.

1:00:38

You going to survive for brains. Ashley

1:00:40

predicts the worst case scenario. When it

1:00:43

picks that worst case scenario other body

1:00:45

goes into a in as a heightened

1:00:47

state of fear I didn't. And

1:00:50

now in fear though I'm.

1:00:54

The. Conditioned response that takes place. I'm feeling

1:00:56

that emotion is storing that emotion in

1:00:58

the body. right? So now would you

1:01:00

mean when he says storing be emotion

1:01:02

in the body. Arms Okay

1:01:04

so I'm fear creates in arousal

1:01:06

that switches on a fight or

1:01:09

flight nervous system right? So keep

1:01:11

having the thought, keep having the

1:01:13

response and you're taking saw it

1:01:15

and in the form of chemistry

1:01:17

and form of emotion and you're

1:01:20

literally activating that third center. And

1:01:22

now that third center is storing

1:01:24

an enormous amount of energy and

1:01:26

it and when is enormous amount

1:01:29

of energy and that that Plex

1:01:31

solar plexus I'm that sent that

1:01:33

center. Is driving more information to the

1:01:35

brain free to be more ready for

1:01:37

the next possible thing. That's him go

1:01:39

wrong and so you could have ten

1:01:42

really great things that go on in

1:01:44

your day and one thing that goes

1:01:46

wrong and are gonna focus on that

1:01:48

one wrong thing because he had to

1:01:50

be prepared for that happens again. so

1:01:52

so I think fear was adapters at

1:01:55

one point in has become very maladaptive

1:01:57

because again map people are always trying

1:01:59

for can the worst case scenario. How

1:02:02

can people feel as if we've got this?

1:02:06

Intrinsic Drug Dealer. This endogenous drug

1:02:09

dealer inside of us that continues

1:02:11

to just take the button. Keeping,

1:02:14

I'm pressing it. Pressing. A pressing, impressing it. Is.

1:02:20

Becoming aware that stepping into

1:02:22

noticing when that arises, trying

1:02:24

to find a degree of

1:02:26

safety. yeah, I'm wealth. I

1:02:28

think. I think. What?

1:02:30

We discovered is that.

1:02:35

Most people don't think that they have control

1:02:37

over that. I mean, it's

1:02:39

It's so primitive. It's so in

1:02:41

our biology it's hard to think

1:02:43

that you have control over or

1:02:45

a fear response. Now I'm. There's

1:02:49

nothing wrong with having fewer responses. know

1:02:51

nothing wrong with getting aroused. The question

1:02:54

is, how long. Like. How long

1:02:56

as is gonna go on for some Uma

1:02:58

reaction? Five days ago

1:03:00

from something that happened in you're

1:03:02

Still, You're still aroused by that

1:03:05

event. You gotta agree that you're

1:03:07

addicted. You're addicted to that that

1:03:09

emotion. Keep it going and it'll

1:03:12

become more automatic The You: You're

1:03:14

constantly. Have been

1:03:16

sinking certain ways in doing

1:03:18

certain things to reaffirm that

1:03:20

addition to fear. I'm so

1:03:22

so for the short term.

1:03:25

You. Know how this year Response: if

1:03:27

you can shorten the refractory period.

1:03:30

Of that emotional response more than likely a

1:03:32

it's get your enemy in a program for

1:03:34

the remainder of your day. So. What

1:03:38

we teach people is how to

1:03:40

master that c or so. So

1:03:42

take it with anxiety as an

1:03:44

example, right? Many. people

1:03:46

come to the work and they

1:03:48

have a high amount of anxiety

1:03:50

ceos engineers doctors nurses dennis people

1:03:52

can cross a bridge as a

1:03:54

business book called only the paranoid

1:03:57

survivor think yes and fieger i'm

1:03:59

and they They've tried everything to

1:04:02

try to change their anxiety, but what they

1:04:04

haven't done is they haven't

1:04:06

caught themselves feeling

1:04:09

the feeling of fear and practicing with

1:04:11

their eyes closed first. Not

1:04:14

in their life when they're feeling fear, but

1:04:17

let's practice when you're sitting in the meditation

1:04:20

and your body starts getting a little anxious,

1:04:22

starts getting a little worried, starts getting a

1:04:24

little aroused. What are

1:04:26

you gonna do in that moment? Can you become

1:04:28

aware that the body's feeling that emotion and could

1:04:31

you like taming an emerald, settling

1:04:34

the body back down from that aroused

1:04:36

state back into the present moment? Okay,

1:04:38

it goes great, I'm gonna do

1:04:40

this for two seconds and like a spoiled child, it

1:04:43

starts getting aroused again. Now most people

1:04:45

think I'm never gonna be able to

1:04:48

overcome this, but the act

1:04:50

of sitting with that and keep lowering the

1:04:52

volume and not letting the

1:04:54

body be the mind, you actually executing

1:04:56

being the mind. Do that

1:04:58

enough times and you'll condition

1:05:01

the body to a new mind. And

1:05:03

what happens is the brain stops

1:05:05

firing those same circuits, okay? Then the

1:05:08

person says, but what if this happens

1:05:10

and what if that happens and what

1:05:12

if this happens? And they catch themselves

1:05:15

going to the worst case

1:05:17

scenario or going to the memory of the

1:05:19

past and they keep bringing their attention back

1:05:21

to the present moment. What

1:05:24

we discovered is if you keep doing that, you get

1:05:26

better at it. And when the

1:05:28

body, as I said, finally surrenders into the present

1:05:30

moment, it cannot

1:05:32

be in fear any longer. So the

1:05:35

person then that returns back into their

1:05:37

life and has lowered the volume to

1:05:40

the fear because they've been practicing it will

1:05:43

respond less emotionally in

1:05:45

their life because they've overcome it, right? If they

1:05:48

haven't overcome it, then the response is gonna be

1:05:50

the same. So first thing, eyes

1:05:52

closed. You gotta practice with your eyes closed,

1:05:54

but get so good at doing it with

1:05:57

your eyes closed that you can do it with your eyes open. And

1:06:00

when it's the hardest, it matters

1:06:03

the most. And so justified, valid

1:06:06

or not, those chemicals are

1:06:09

not good for you. They're not

1:06:11

good for you. Whether you're right, whether you're

1:06:14

justified, the only person that's hurting is you,

1:06:16

right? So then the person says, okay, well,

1:06:18

is this loving to me? Okay.

1:06:22

So, fear is real. Okay. So

1:06:24

what emotion could you change from

1:06:26

fear into? Okay. So

1:06:29

we teach people, okay, can you

1:06:31

practice breathing and slowing

1:06:33

your brainwaves down, working with the animal, working

1:06:35

with the body, slow your breath down, slow

1:06:37

your brainwaves down? Yeah, but I

1:06:39

don't want to, okay? Do it anyway. Practice

1:06:42

slowing your breath down, breathing a little bit slower,

1:06:44

your brainwaves start to change, put your attention on

1:06:46

your heart. We have great data to show where

1:06:48

you place your attention is where you place your

1:06:50

energy. You see a very low frequency of the

1:06:52

heart starting to build in the

1:06:55

person. So now the heart is getting

1:06:57

energy and then parasympathetic nervous system starts

1:06:59

coming up, the body starts moving into

1:07:01

that state. Okay. That's

1:07:03

really great. And keep doing it over and over

1:07:05

again. Keep relaxing into your heart, energy moving into

1:07:07

the heart. The heart informs the brain. The

1:07:10

trauma is over. Betrayal is over. The

1:07:13

event is over. What you're afraid

1:07:15

of is over. And it resets the

1:07:17

baseline in the amygdala for

1:07:20

trauma. And the side effect of that is

1:07:22

the person now, when energy moves

1:07:24

into their heart like that, they start getting very

1:07:26

creative. The heart is a very creative center. Okay.

1:07:29

What do I want to do now? What do I want to create now? So

1:07:32

it's something that you can only talk around,

1:07:35

but when you're in the work and you're

1:07:37

practicing it, it's first so important to face

1:07:39

off with it with

1:07:41

your eyes closed. And it's David against

1:07:43

Goliath in the beginning because the program

1:07:45

is so ingrained in our biology. And

1:07:48

yet people who keep practicing, lowering the

1:07:50

volume, lowering the volume, you see the

1:07:52

brain scans, CEOs, as I said, all

1:07:54

kinds of different athletes. You

1:07:57

see the dramatic change in the brain. There's the anxiety.

1:08:01

And now it's gone and there's just a

1:08:03

significant change in a person's subjective view of

1:08:05

the world as well. Is

1:08:07

this your format,

1:08:10

your process to move through most painful

1:08:12

emotions? That's

1:08:19

one of the ways that we do

1:08:21

it. I think just it isn't

1:08:23

enough to inhibit the thought and

1:08:25

the feeling. I think it's practicing

1:08:28

feeling something else. And

1:08:30

then we use technology to

1:08:32

actually tell you when you're doing it and

1:08:35

when you're not. That's so important. So

1:08:37

take a Navy SEAL, for

1:08:39

example, who has done all

1:08:42

the talk therapy, tried

1:08:44

all the pharmaceuticals, tried

1:08:47

all the antidepressants, tried

1:08:49

all the pain relievers, tried the

1:08:52

ayahuasca, tried the plant medicine, and

1:08:54

they still can't function in their

1:08:56

life. And so why can't

1:08:58

they function in their life? Because they

1:09:02

haven't gotten beyond the

1:09:04

emotion that's keeping them

1:09:06

connected to the past. Well,

1:09:09

if what you said earlier on

1:09:11

is true and you continue to replay this story,

1:09:14

and if your body and your

1:09:16

physiological system and your endocrine system and everything

1:09:18

else is just cascading down,

1:09:20

it's like you're reliving

1:09:23

that same experience over and over and

1:09:25

over and over again. So it does

1:09:27

make sense. It would be like trying

1:09:30

to fix a soldier's

1:09:32

PTSD while he's still in the

1:09:34

field. Exactly. Because that is

1:09:36

where the brain is taking him back to. So

1:09:42

we have seen people come right up to the edge of

1:09:46

their emotional belief, where the pain,

1:09:51

where emotion is

1:09:53

at its height, and

1:09:55

the hardest part of every war is

1:09:57

the last battle. And

1:10:00

they go one more time. They just say, I'm going

1:10:02

to go again. And

1:10:05

when they go again, many

1:10:07

times that's when they have their

1:10:09

breakthrough. And the breakthrough isn't,

1:10:11

as I said, just like a little

1:10:14

breakthrough. It's an immediate

1:10:16

relief for the person. And

1:10:19

so that's the moment

1:10:21

then when they look back at their

1:10:23

past, they see it through a whole different lens. I

1:10:26

want to show you a clip of

1:10:28

Theo Vonn with Sean

1:10:30

Strickland. So Sean Strickland

1:10:32

is the current UFC

1:10:34

middleweight champion. And

1:10:36

in a podcast with the two of

1:10:38

them, he talks about some

1:10:40

trauma that he's been through in his

1:10:42

past. You know what I'm talking about? Huh?

1:10:47

Have you ever heard that? Yeah,

1:10:51

I'm sorry, bud. So

1:10:58

I'm sorry, buddy. We

1:11:00

don't have talk, man. I can just sit here with you for a minute. Oh,

1:11:06

fuck. I think it's

1:11:10

a little hard things that people don't understand by trauma, you

1:11:12

know? Yeah. What

1:11:15

do you see when you look at that? Oh,

1:11:18

I see a real vulnerable moment

1:11:20

for somebody. Really vulnerable moment. And

1:11:26

yeah, I think childhood trauma

1:11:28

is, I think, probably the

1:11:32

biggest trauma for many people

1:11:34

to overcome because children,

1:11:37

their brainwaves are very slow.

1:11:39

I mean, in alpha,

1:11:41

in theta, and

1:11:44

information goes in very quickly right

1:11:47

into the subconscious. And I think

1:11:49

that we figure

1:11:51

out adaptive ways to not have

1:11:53

to feel those emotions or not

1:11:55

have to look at

1:11:58

that past, but we're always aware of it.

1:12:00

It's always there, right? But we don't really

1:12:03

have a moment where we fully allow ourselves

1:12:05

to experience it. And I think he

1:12:07

had a moment where, by

1:12:10

association, he let

1:12:12

himself be vulnerable, which I think is

1:12:15

great. That video is –

1:12:17

every single time I watch it, it's very

1:12:19

difficult to watch for me. And

1:12:22

it's twofold. First off, someone that's

1:12:25

become a professional, hard person, right? He

1:12:27

just punches people in the face. He

1:12:29

likes violence. Him opening up

1:12:31

and him struggling. And then Theo saying, it's okay,

1:12:33

man. We don't need to talk. We can just

1:12:35

sit here for a while if you want. It's

1:12:39

so beautiful. Yeah. And I

1:12:41

think uncertainty and I think

1:12:44

that moment of vulnerability needs

1:12:46

space. I think

1:12:48

it needs space and

1:12:51

it needs time for

1:12:53

the person to sit in that and allow

1:12:55

themselves to fully feel it, right? And

1:12:58

that's how you sit in

1:13:00

it long enough. It goes away. It finally

1:13:03

goes away. What's your

1:13:06

advice for somebody playing the Theo

1:13:08

role? Someone's having a conversation

1:13:10

with somebody else who is on

1:13:13

the verge of opening up. And I think

1:13:15

that's been a cusp of feeling something uncomfortable or

1:13:17

trying to open up about it. How can someone

1:13:19

hold space more effectively? I

1:13:22

think all people really want to do

1:13:24

is feel safe and feel loved. So

1:13:26

again, I think he played that really,

1:13:28

really well. And that is just let

1:13:30

that person know that you're there for

1:13:32

them and give them the room to

1:13:35

go as far as they want to

1:13:37

go. And some

1:13:39

people feel really

1:13:41

safe when that happens and I think

1:13:43

they release it. You

1:13:45

mentioned before about this discomfort

1:13:49

with feeling feelings. We

1:13:51

live in a world which is very good at

1:13:53

distracting us from feeling feelings. There

1:13:55

are a whole host of drugs,

1:13:59

philosophies, and things. technologies, ways of

1:14:01

thinking that can distract us

1:14:04

away from feeling feelings. And if

1:14:06

there's somebody that's listening to this and thinking to

1:14:08

themselves, I don't think

1:14:10

I'm feeling my feelings that fully. How

1:14:14

can someone get back in the rhythm of

1:14:16

feeling the feelings again? Yeah, you

1:14:18

got to sit with yourself. You're going to

1:14:20

take your device and set it in the other room. You

1:14:23

got to shut it off and feel without

1:14:25

that thing. And you got

1:14:27

to think for yourself. And I

1:14:29

think that kind of art

1:14:33

of contemplation has

1:14:36

been lost because I think that

1:14:38

process of self-reflection kind

1:14:41

of is a building process

1:14:43

neurologically in our brains. And

1:14:45

so, you know,

1:14:47

we joke all the time with people who go through

1:14:49

a week-long event. I say to them, when's the last

1:14:52

time you sat with you this long till you finally

1:14:54

like you? You have you sit

1:14:56

with yourself long enough. Those

1:14:59

feelings are going to come up. They

1:15:01

will come up because you

1:15:04

have nothing to do. You

1:15:06

have nothing to do. Your

1:15:08

inner world and how you're thinking and how you're

1:15:10

feeling is going to become very obvious to you.

1:15:14

And so I think people

1:15:16

ask all the time, well, why

1:15:18

is my health condition like this? What are

1:15:20

the thoughts? What are the feelings that I

1:15:22

need to change? It's really simple. Sit with

1:15:24

yourself and you'll know exactly

1:15:27

what it is that you need to change.

1:15:29

So I

1:15:32

think you got to create the time to invest

1:15:34

in yourself. One

1:15:36

of the things that I've discovered with

1:15:38

many people that tell us stories of

1:15:40

transformation is that they

1:15:42

kind of have this kind of belief,

1:15:44

like, I believe this stuff works. I

1:15:47

just never believed it could work for me. I

1:15:49

mean, that's a really, really fundamentally

1:15:52

key moment in a person's evolution

1:15:54

because that means they

1:15:56

actually have to change the belief. And.

1:16:00

Sometimes and that means I gotta come out of

1:16:02

the resting state and they got to choose themselves

1:16:04

every day. I see that with. A

1:16:06

lot of things that that's something that's

1:16:08

nice. But for the people. That

1:16:11

something which I. Believe.

1:16:13

Could be true, the data seems to be to be

1:16:16

true, but that's not for me. Now.

1:16:18

The weight loss, it and to me the

1:16:20

transformation of them. To me, the relationship that's

1:16:23

healthy isn't for me. The. Group.

1:16:27

Of friends a genuine you on the best for me them

1:16:29

to make this. Is.

1:16:32

Like solipsism and away. it's

1:16:35

persistent disbelief. Yes,

1:16:37

but only around you. Of.

1:16:39

Course about whether or is as you. So

1:16:43

so that person then who's

1:16:45

who's arguing. For.

1:16:47

Some Limitation just doesn't believe that they can

1:16:50

change your life. They don't believe that their

1:16:52

fonts have something to do with their destiny.

1:16:54

They don't believe they don't believe in possibility

1:16:56

because they don't believe in themselves. You cannot

1:16:59

believe in possibility without believing in yourself. And

1:17:01

if you believe in yourself, that means you

1:17:03

gotta believe impossibility. And that means then that

1:17:05

means you gotta do something. How to get

1:17:08

off the couch, you know you gotta get

1:17:10

up, and you gotta get engaged in your

1:17:12

world. And you gotta be a creator in

1:17:14

your life. In In And instead of a

1:17:17

victim. In your life Now that. That's. An easy

1:17:19

thing to say, I'm but it means

1:17:21

Nz have to carve out some time

1:17:23

for you. I mean, and you

1:17:25

invest in yourself, Invest in yourself, Invest

1:17:27

in your future. Do it in, get

1:17:29

uncomfortable and know that that's normal, that's

1:17:32

national, That's the unknown. Okay, if you

1:17:34

are, I keep making the same choices.

1:17:36

I'm gonna keep having the same health

1:17:38

condition. If I keep doing the same

1:17:40

things, I'm gonna still have the same

1:17:42

level of abundance. Okay, so I guess

1:17:44

start making changes is not that hard

1:17:46

to do it if you really wanna

1:17:49

do it. I mean if you're really

1:17:51

want to do it, then you'll You'll

1:17:53

invest in yourself now. For

1:17:55

me. I. think everybody

1:17:57

to some degree chris believes that

1:17:59

they have a hand in creating their life unless

1:18:01

they've had a really, really

1:18:03

horrible childhood and past. But

1:18:06

on some level, people believe it, right? So people

1:18:08

say, well, yeah, okay, so I believe that I

1:18:10

can get the car, I can get the vacation,

1:18:12

I can get the new home, I can get

1:18:14

the relationship, I can get the second home, I

1:18:16

don't know, whatever it is that people want. But

1:18:19

the way they're going to do it is,

1:18:21

okay, I'm going to work really hard, I'm going to

1:18:24

study a lot, nothing wrong with this, by the way.

1:18:27

I'm going to be trained. I'm going

1:18:29

to learn, I'm going to make a bunch

1:18:31

of wrong choices, I'm going to learn from my mistakes, and

1:18:33

then I'm going to get really good at gathering a lot

1:18:35

of things and doing these things. Okay,

1:18:37

I've created a certain degree in my

1:18:40

life, but people who really, really start

1:18:42

shortening the distance between the thought of what

1:18:44

they want and experience of having it, something

1:18:47

changes. They may say, oh, I have the belief that

1:18:50

I create my life in some way,

1:18:52

but is it possible that it's

1:18:55

more than the synchronicity, you know, more

1:18:57

than the parking space, more than thinking of

1:18:59

a friend and they call you like, everybody

1:19:01

kind of accepts that as kind of, oh,

1:19:04

that's possible. Well, why don't I take it to the next

1:19:06

level? I mean, what if you could

1:19:08

actually do more of that? Is

1:19:11

that a belief that you can begin

1:19:13

to embrace? So that means if you

1:19:15

believe that on some level, that

1:19:17

you can create something greater, like

1:19:20

a greater magnitude, a greater amplitude, that

1:19:22

means then you'd have to get involved in the experience a

1:19:25

little bit more. That means I'd have to believe, how could

1:19:27

I possibly do that? What would it take for me to

1:19:29

do that? And so people

1:19:31

evolve their belief around creation when

1:19:33

they start seeing bigger synchronicities happen in

1:19:35

their life, like the opportunity, the

1:19:38

job, the phone call, the synchronicity,

1:19:41

the coincidence that's bigger than the

1:19:43

parking space because they're investing in

1:19:45

themselves. Now here's the cool part.

1:19:48

The moment they have that synchronicity and

1:19:51

it has something to do with what they're doing inside

1:19:53

of them, they're going to pay attention to what they

1:19:55

did inside of them. They're going to do it again.

1:19:58

They're going to believe now. Oh, I actually am the

1:20:00

creator of my life. I'm no longer

1:20:02

the victim of my life. Keep

1:20:04

practicing that over time. Keep

1:20:06

getting better at it. You

1:20:08

don't have to go anywhere and do anything to get

1:20:10

things. Somehow, they

1:20:13

seem to come to you. Somehow, the opportunity is

1:20:15

coming to you and you're not having to do

1:20:17

it. Now, that's

1:20:19

another way to create. And

1:20:22

we're all creators, so taking time to

1:20:25

be a creator, taking time to invest

1:20:27

in yourself, taking time to get

1:20:29

involved in the experiment. This is an experiment

1:20:32

to measure the effects of you at cost.

1:20:34

So do it really good one way and

1:20:36

then find out a way, if there's a

1:20:38

way to flow, if there's a way to

1:20:40

change, that all of a sudden

1:20:42

allows your environment to change

1:20:45

around you when you change. That's when the

1:20:47

experiment gets exciting. I want

1:20:49

to talk about gratitude. What

1:20:52

do most people get wrong when

1:20:54

it comes to a gratitude practice? Get

1:20:57

wrong, huh?

1:21:00

Well, if you think about it,

1:21:03

when you receive something

1:21:05

favorable or just receive something

1:21:07

favorable, if something wonderful is

1:21:09

happening to you or something wonderful just happened

1:21:11

to you, the feeling

1:21:14

that's created from that experience is

1:21:16

called gratitude. So the

1:21:18

emotional signature of gratitude means something wonderful

1:21:20

is happening to you or

1:21:23

something wonderful has just happened to you. Gratitude

1:21:26

is the ultimate state of

1:21:28

receiving. It's the ultimate

1:21:30

state. So yeah,

1:21:34

you can practice with a gratitude

1:21:37

journal and write down the things

1:21:39

in your life that you're grateful

1:21:41

for. And I think that

1:21:43

has a really great reminder to

1:21:45

manage your attention and to manage

1:21:47

your energy. But

1:21:50

by the same means, can you be grateful for things

1:21:52

that you haven't had yet but

1:21:55

you believe enough that you can have? Now, we

1:21:58

only accept belief. and surrender

1:22:00

to thoughts that are

1:22:02

equal to our emotional state. We'll

1:22:05

never accept believe and surrender to thoughts that are

1:22:07

not equal to our emotional state. So

1:22:10

if you're feeling really

1:22:12

unhappy and you're feeling really

1:22:14

negatively and you're

1:22:16

thinking positively, the

1:22:19

thought of thinking positively never makes it

1:22:21

past the brainstem to get to the

1:22:23

body because the body is feeling miserable.

1:22:26

Positive thought never changes the biology.

1:22:29

Okay, so people accept,

1:22:32

believe and surrender information equals to

1:22:34

their emotional state. You watch something

1:22:36

on a program and you

1:22:38

get fear. The information that comes in after

1:22:40

that fear you're going to accept. You get

1:22:42

a diagnosis. The doctor says you

1:22:44

got this amount of time to live and you're

1:22:47

in that state. That information is going to go

1:22:49

right into your subconscious mind because that information is

1:22:51

equal to the emotional state that you're

1:22:53

in. Make sense? So you

1:22:56

can't think positively because I'm healthy,

1:22:58

I'm wealthy, I'm free, I'm unlimited

1:23:00

and your body is going, no

1:23:02

you're not dude, you're miserable. So

1:23:05

thought never makes it to the body. Okay, so

1:23:07

that means then we would have to change the

1:23:09

emotional state of the body and we're doing research

1:23:12

on this really, it's really fascinating research on this

1:23:14

now. So the

1:23:16

person then wants to

1:23:19

accept, believe and surrender to

1:23:21

thoughts of their future and

1:23:23

they want to reprogram their

1:23:25

subconscious mind to a new

1:23:27

future. If they're

1:23:29

feeling gratitude and gratitude is

1:23:32

the ultimate state of receiving, they

1:23:34

will actually accept, believe and surrender

1:23:36

to the thoughts that they're thinking

1:23:38

equal to that emotional state. And

1:23:41

that's exactly what programs the autonomic nervous

1:23:43

system to begin to make a pharmacy

1:23:45

of chemicals that causes the body

1:23:47

to move into restoration, growth and

1:23:49

repair. And a lot of

1:23:51

immune function. So we took a

1:23:54

group of people in

1:23:56

a study and we measured

1:23:58

their cortisol levels. We measured

1:24:01

an immunoglobulin called

1:24:03

IGA, immunoglobulin A. It's

1:24:05

your body's natural defense.

1:24:07

It's the body's flu shot. In fact, it works better

1:24:10

than any flu shot. And

1:24:12

so as cortisol levels go up, IGA

1:24:14

levels go down because if you're in emergency,

1:24:16

your immune system is compromised. If

1:24:19

all your energy is going to the outer world

1:24:21

and you have no energy in your inner world,

1:24:24

you're going to be unhealthy and the internal protection

1:24:26

system kind of closes down. Okay,

1:24:29

so four days of

1:24:32

changing their emotions from resentment

1:24:34

and judgment and frustration and

1:24:37

impatience to gratitude

1:24:39

and appreciation. Four days. And

1:24:42

we measured their hearts because when you're

1:24:44

frustrated and you're impatient and you're judgmental,

1:24:46

your heart beats very differently than when

1:24:48

you're grateful. Well, when you're grateful, your

1:24:51

heart starts to beat in a more rhythmic way. There's

1:24:56

a couple pathways where oxytocin

1:24:59

signals nitric oxide and nitric

1:25:01

oxide signals another chemical that

1:25:04

causes the arteries in your heart

1:25:06

literally to swell, to open

1:25:08

up. And so when you

1:25:10

actually feel gratitude, there's a physiological component

1:25:13

that takes place where your heart feels

1:25:15

full. And when energy or blood makes

1:25:17

it to the heart and energy makes it to the heart,

1:25:19

it's a different consciousness, right? It's a

1:25:21

different level of awareness than when you're

1:25:24

feeling resentful or you're feeling impatient. So

1:25:27

feel the emotion of gratitude and

1:25:30

open your heart. Keep activating that

1:25:32

center. We discovered that

1:25:34

when a person feels that emotion, they do

1:25:37

it for four days, their

1:25:39

IGA levels went up 50% just in four days.

1:25:43

So there's a robust immune

1:25:45

response that takes place by

1:25:47

just changing from those limited

1:25:49

emotions to more elevated emotions.

1:25:51

So we saw

1:25:54

that when a person's feeling

1:25:56

gratitude and their heart goes from kind of

1:25:58

a very incoherent

1:26:01

states from our regulated and organized

1:26:03

state, that once energy

1:26:05

makes it to the heart, as

1:26:07

I said earlier, somehow

1:26:10

it begins to move to the brain. And if

1:26:12

you would imagine like grabbing

1:26:14

a big sheet and going like

1:26:16

this, it's almost like the heart

1:26:18

is causing this beautiful pattern of

1:26:21

energy moving to the brain. It causes

1:26:23

the brain to move in these beautiful alpha brainwave

1:26:25

states. That is that state of

1:26:27

imagination. So I think when we're

1:26:29

grateful, those social networks turn

1:26:32

on where we want to connect. I

1:26:34

think we have more appreciation for

1:26:36

the moment and I think we're

1:26:39

more prone to give, which actually

1:26:41

releases more oxytocin, which releases more

1:26:43

nitric oxide and causes us

1:26:45

to feel even better. So we teach

1:26:47

people then to feel grateful for things

1:26:50

that they haven't had

1:26:52

yet as well as the things that they have

1:26:54

in their life and it tends to produce profound

1:26:56

changes in their biology. Tactically,

1:26:58

what are the cues that

1:27:01

you're giving to people? There will be people that are listening

1:27:03

now that think, I have a

1:27:05

gratitude practice, or I've seen the results from

1:27:08

existing research, positive psychology, gratitude seems to

1:27:10

be one of the most robust ways

1:27:12

to improve your baseline level of happiness

1:27:14

completely free, concrete. What

1:27:17

are the most powerful

1:27:19

elements of a gratitude practice? What are the triggers?

1:27:21

What are the tactics? What are the way markers

1:27:23

that you're saying this is something that

1:27:25

you should be really focused on when it comes to your

1:27:27

gratitude practice? Yeah, I think

1:27:30

the first step is

1:27:32

changing your physiology. I think

1:27:36

there's levels of gratitude that you could feel,

1:27:38

but you have to stop feeling other

1:27:41

things first in order to feel it.

1:27:43

So I don't

1:27:45

think it's enough, and I'm

1:27:47

just saying this for myself,

1:27:49

it's not enough for me to feel gratitude for

1:27:51

five minutes and then spend

1:27:54

the rest of my day feeling miserable. That's

1:27:56

not why I'm doing it. I'm doing it to

1:27:59

sustain that state for

1:28:02

an extended period of time. I want to

1:28:04

get really good at doing it with my

1:28:06

eyes open. So I believe that if I'm

1:28:08

walking around in a state of gratitude with

1:28:11

my eyes open and I can sustain that

1:28:13

state for an extended period of time, there

1:28:15

should be opportunities coming to

1:28:17

me as the

1:28:19

result of my change in energy. So I

1:28:22

make the effort in the experiment, okay, because

1:28:24

this is an experiment. I make the effort

1:28:27

in the experiment that if I

1:28:29

can stay in this great state of

1:28:31

gratitude that I should see

1:28:33

something unusual come to me as a result

1:28:36

of it. That's why I do it. So

1:28:38

that means that you have to, we're hypnotized

1:28:40

and we're conditioned to believe that

1:28:43

something out there has to change in

1:28:46

order to take away the lack of separation of

1:28:48

not having it inside of me. Gratitude

1:28:50

kind of fills that lack. And so

1:28:53

if you're not waiting for your life to

1:28:55

change to feel that emotion, you're actually saying

1:28:58

if I generate gratitude, I actually

1:29:00

heal. If I generate gratitude, I should

1:29:02

create this in my life. So

1:29:04

I just like to use it in a way

1:29:06

that tends to be more creative and not just

1:29:09

be grateful for the things that

1:29:11

I have. I think that has a lot of

1:29:13

great biological effects, but as the creator in your

1:29:15

life to shorten the distance between the

1:29:17

thought of what you want and the experience of having it

1:29:19

without having to do a whole lot, I

1:29:22

think gratitude is that perfect state of receivership.

1:29:25

Talk to me about the role of hard work and

1:29:27

how you see it because there is a

1:29:31

temptation, I can imagine, for

1:29:33

people to believe that thinking

1:29:36

it is all that needs to happen. I

1:29:42

remember Rhonda Byrne who wrote The

1:29:44

Secret. There was

1:29:46

a tsunami in Thailand

1:29:51

or Indonesia Boxing Day, 2005 I think, 2006,

1:29:53

something like that. And

1:29:56

there was a famous news article that came out shortly after that,

1:29:58

I think The Secret had come out And as

1:30:01

always, an author that's got a buck

1:30:03

that's in circulation. Let's get Rhonda Byrne

1:30:05

to comment on this geological issue.

1:30:08

And she said that the reason that the

1:30:10

tsunami had hit the people of Indonesia or

1:30:12

Thailand was because they were attracting that

1:30:15

energy. And that

1:30:18

went down quite poorly, perhaps unsurprisingly that hundreds of

1:30:20

thousands of people had been displaced by a tsunami

1:30:22

and it was being blamed on them for sending

1:30:24

out energy that then got this tsunami to come.

1:30:26

The converse being that lots

1:30:29

of people who believe in agency and like the idea

1:30:31

that they've got control over their own lives take

1:30:34

a very materialist, very utilitarian, very

1:30:36

sort of rationalist, traditionalist perspective on,

1:30:38

I just need to do the

1:30:40

thing. So how do

1:30:42

you marry this need

1:30:45

for hard work with the

1:30:47

insights that you have around envisioning

1:30:50

your future? I just

1:30:53

want to define hard work first

1:30:56

because I think I don't

1:30:59

see hard work as the way people

1:31:01

see hard work. I mean, I'm a

1:31:03

very immersive person. So if

1:31:06

I'm going to get good at something, I'm

1:31:08

going to put my mind, my body, my heart

1:31:10

and soul behind whatever it is I'm going to

1:31:13

do. And I do that because

1:31:15

I like it. I like to learn. I

1:31:17

like to experience. I like to grow. And

1:31:20

I think you can get really good

1:31:22

at doing it one way.

1:31:24

The hard work, all the stuff we talked

1:31:26

about, get really good at doing it and

1:31:28

become successful and then have just about everything you

1:31:31

want. But you may not truly have happiness. You

1:31:33

just may have a lot of things and you

1:31:35

got really good at doing it, right? Okay.

1:31:38

So for me, I said there's got to be another

1:31:40

way. There's got to be

1:31:42

another way to do it that's different than the way

1:31:44

that I've done it. I've gotten really good at doing that.

1:31:46

Is there another way to create where

1:31:48

I don't actually have to go and do something?

1:31:50

If I could change my energy, and I've been

1:31:53

at this long enough to tell you that nobody

1:31:55

changed until they changed their energy. If I change

1:31:57

my energy, will my life change? That's

1:31:59

kind of the experience. Experiment that I'm interested in okay,

1:32:02

so what piece of knowledge what piece of

1:32:04

information? Let me find the information that can

1:32:07

help me build the model of understanding that

1:32:09

this is actually possible I'm not watching Netflix.

1:32:11

I'm not watching Ted lasso. I'm not watching

1:32:13

suits. I'm not watching the news I'm

1:32:16

not watching the game. I'm I'm

1:32:18

reading this information because I want to understand

1:32:21

the what and the why okay now. I

1:32:23

got it Okay, the quantum physics says Einstein

1:32:25

says the field is the sole governing agency

1:32:27

of the particle The

1:32:30

field controls the particle the

1:32:32

particle doesn't control the particle energy controls

1:32:34

matter, okay Alright, let me

1:32:36

build this model a little bit further. Okay, um If

1:32:40

if if the field is so governing agency

1:32:42

of the particle, then it's not matter that's

1:32:44

emitting the field It's actually a field that's

1:32:46

actually slowing down in frequency and creating matter.

1:32:48

Okay, I'm telling you all this because I'm

1:32:50

using Using quantum physics as

1:32:52

a way to help us understand that mind

1:32:54

and matter are inextricably combined It's impossible to

1:32:56

separate the two. Okay. Well, it works on

1:32:59

the very tiny level of subatomic particles But

1:33:01

can can it work on a greater level

1:33:03

can can you make real life events happen

1:33:05

in your life and collapse the wave function?

1:33:08

Okay. Well, if I'm matter

1:33:10

trying to change matter if I'm Joe

1:33:12

dispenser Aware that I'm

1:33:14

local in space and time immersed

1:33:16

in the illusion of this virtual

1:33:18

reality experiences this hologram And

1:33:20

I got to pray by the play by the rules of

1:33:23

Newtonian physics, but you got to predict and plan do a

1:33:25

lot of things Okay. Okay. What if

1:33:28

I could get to the field? What if

1:33:30

I could become pure consciousness and be aware

1:33:32

of nothing physical and material? Become

1:33:34

nobody become no one in

1:33:37

nothing and nowhere and no time become pure

1:33:39

consciousness and move to that realm beyond space

1:33:41

and time. Okay Let

1:33:43

me just say okay, if I could get

1:33:45

there as pure consciousness I'm not aware of my

1:33:47

body not aware of my environment and not aware

1:33:49

of time and I'm in the field Okay, what

1:33:51

are the principles of the field? Everything's connected. Everything's

1:33:53

frequency. Everything's energy There's

1:33:56

less separation. There's more wholeness. Okay, so

1:33:59

if I get to the field and I can create from

1:34:01

the field instead of from matter as an

1:34:04

experiment, could I then begin

1:34:06

to produce changes in the field that

1:34:08

ultimately would change the hologram of three

1:34:10

dimensional reality? So

1:34:12

I may not be very good at it at the

1:34:14

beginning, so it's going to take some unlearning and changing

1:34:16

my beliefs about a lot of things and studying to

1:34:18

make sure that when I do it, that I know

1:34:20

what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. So

1:34:23

nothing happens. Do I go

1:34:25

back to just going back the other way or am I

1:34:27

just not that good? So maybe I'm

1:34:29

just not that good yet, like maybe I got to get better

1:34:32

at it. So I'm going to practice again. I'm

1:34:34

going to keep building my model through experience

1:34:36

and then all of a sudden you start

1:34:39

noticing changes. Now the hard work was worth

1:34:41

the effort when I start seeing the effects

1:34:43

that it creates in my life. So

1:34:47

I think that there's a

1:34:49

delicate balance between intention and

1:34:52

that's getting clear on what you want. And

1:34:55

surrender, which means

1:34:57

trusting in the outcome. If you over

1:34:59

intend, you're working really hard and you're

1:35:02

trying really hard. And if you over surrender,

1:35:04

you're lazy and lethargic and you're not doing

1:35:06

anything. So it's kind of a razor's edge

1:35:08

when you talk about hard work because for

1:35:10

me, it really is

1:35:13

about building a model of understanding and then

1:35:15

being able to immerse myself in the experience

1:35:17

to prove to myself that it actually could

1:35:20

be the truth. So the

1:35:22

hard work is just good, clean

1:35:24

effort and getting so lost in the

1:35:27

act of what you're doing that

1:35:29

the act actually becomes the experience. I know that

1:35:32

for me, when I get to that point

1:35:34

where I've stretched myself past the point where

1:35:36

I normally stop, especially in a meditation, if

1:35:38

I go one more time, it's always worth

1:35:41

the effort. Something changes when I

1:35:43

go past that point. So I think that

1:35:46

works in all kinds of ways. So

1:35:50

I think hard work for me

1:35:52

is just immersing myself in it until

1:35:54

I start seeing effects. There's

1:35:56

a line from Machiavelli where he says, God doesn't

1:35:59

want to do it. everything. Some of it is

1:36:01

up to you. I think

1:36:03

that's a nice blending of those two. Yeah. I

1:36:05

have another friend who, um, we were at

1:36:07

a party, my birthday party actually last year, and

1:36:09

we were walking back toward his car who was

1:36:12

parked nearby and, uh, he was

1:36:14

going to give me a left home and I

1:36:16

was waiting for him to beep the car so that I

1:36:18

could get in and he didn't, and the door

1:36:20

was open. So did you not lock your

1:36:22

car? He says, I don't lock my car. That's

1:36:24

interesting. Why don't you do that? And he says, I'm not

1:36:26

sure, man, the universe just has my back and

1:36:30

locking your car. I think that's just, that's

1:36:32

a sufficient low lift that you might as well do it anyway,

1:36:34

but that line really stuck with me. The

1:36:36

universe has my back and the

1:36:39

times when I feel like that's the case,

1:36:41

the times when I feel like I'm swimming

1:36:43

downstream, not upstream, uh, life's

1:36:46

better. Undeniably life's better.

1:36:49

Well, you may have to put 10 in

1:36:51

and get one out in the beginning. And

1:36:54

then if you stick with it, you put one in, you get 10

1:36:56

out and that's when it gets fun. So

1:36:58

there'll be a lot of people listening who, again,

1:37:00

the people

1:37:03

who pray at the altar of raw cognition, right?

1:37:06

Very, very utilitarian,

1:37:10

materialistic. That left brain is

1:37:12

always on. How

1:37:14

can they learn to expand the view of what

1:37:18

contributes to happiness and wellbeing

1:37:20

and fulfillment and achievement

1:37:22

in life? What would you say to the

1:37:24

person who's still unsure? Well,

1:37:27

um, I think

1:37:29

it was last year we were at an

1:37:31

event, a week long event, and

1:37:33

we were, we do a lot of walking meditations because you

1:37:35

got to be able to stand as it walk as it

1:37:37

sit as it lay down as it. And

1:37:40

so we do a lot of walking meditations to,

1:37:42

to, to embody it. And,

1:37:44

um, I was, it was in Cancun, Mexico.

1:37:47

There was 2,200 people at that event. We

1:37:50

were on the beach at sunrise. The sun was

1:37:52

coming up. It was one of the

1:37:54

last meditations, you know, and I just, I

1:37:57

looked at all these people and they were looking

1:37:59

facing the. They had their hands over their

1:38:01

heart and their eyes were closed. So many of them

1:38:04

had tears of joy rolling

1:38:07

down their face. They were

1:38:09

so incredibly joyful, so

1:38:11

incredibly grateful, so

1:38:15

worthy in that moment. And

1:38:17

I realized, my God, nobody is making them

1:38:19

happy in that moment but

1:38:21

them. And I think when

1:38:24

we hit these points where we finally

1:38:26

break free from the chains of our

1:38:28

own limitations, I

1:38:30

think when we overcome the emotional addictions

1:38:33

that keep us tormented and

1:38:35

reliving the past, I

1:38:37

think that the

1:38:40

overcoming of those emotional addictions has side effect

1:38:42

as joy. It's

1:38:45

a freedom of expression without feeling

1:38:48

limited in any way. And

1:38:52

I can tell you that, again,

1:38:54

this is only my experience, but

1:38:57

when I look at an audience of people at

1:38:59

the end of seven days, I

1:39:01

always tell them, nobody is

1:39:04

making you happy but you. And

1:39:06

all you've done is decided who

1:39:09

not to be and who to be. And you've

1:39:11

sat with yourself long enough to change that. So

1:39:15

when people do that and they

1:39:17

get to that point where they're

1:39:20

worthy to receive, they showed

1:39:23

up enough times when they could have laid

1:39:25

in bed or skipped a meditation, but they

1:39:28

didn't. They kept showing up. I

1:39:30

think the universe only gives us what we think

1:39:32

we're worthy of receiving, right? And so the person

1:39:34

who's feeling that level of happiness,

1:39:37

that level of joy because they've

1:39:39

made themselves happy, then they're

1:39:42

okay with you and they're

1:39:44

okay with everybody. And I think that's the

1:39:46

important point is that when we overcome ourselves,

1:39:49

the side effect of that is true joy.

1:39:53

How can people better learn to love themselves?

1:39:57

Wow, I mean, that's an interesting...

1:40:00

conversation. I

1:40:03

think love has to be redefined

1:40:05

to some degree because

1:40:08

I think a lot of people have a different definition

1:40:11

about love. But

1:40:13

once again, I really have seen this

1:40:15

numerous times. They have

1:40:17

to practice feeling love. I

1:40:21

mean, you cannot love unless you practice

1:40:23

feeling it. And I think if

1:40:26

you practice feeling love, you get better

1:40:28

at feeling love. And if you get

1:40:30

better at feeling love, you become less

1:40:33

selfish and

1:40:35

more selfless. In other words, you're not

1:40:37

when you're executing from your heart, when

1:40:39

you're feeling love, I

1:40:42

think you consider the whole. And

1:40:46

so for me, I think

1:40:48

when people push themselves past that

1:40:51

point where they normally stop and

1:40:54

they truly, truly believe in themselves, I think

1:40:56