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Hello everybody, welcome back to the

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show. My guest today is Mark

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Normand. He's a podcaster, actor and

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a comedian. Is Hollywood a

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secret cabal of child eating sorcerers? It might

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be. Mark has spent enough time in its

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orbit to know. And if nothing else, he

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can riff on some good theories for two

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hours with me. Expect to learn

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what Mark thinks of the downfall of

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New York City and bail reform, why

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the resurgence of Shane Gillis on SNL

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might not be the death rattle for

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woke culture, how Mark remains positive in

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the middle of negativity, if he's worried

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about being deplatformed, his thoughts about what

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is considered offensive in Hollywood, the one

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word that you can never say to

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an American and much

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more. Mark is

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essentially impossible to podcast

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with. The guy is so

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quick and moves at such a

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pace. He is by far one of the most

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difficult people, but also super enjoyable. I love sitting

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now, ladies and gentlemen, please

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welcome Mark Normand. Mark

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Normand, welcome to the show. Hey, good to be

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back. What is this? Big three? Three. Third

1:53

time. Third time and two from the airport.

1:56

That comes straight here. Yeah, flying. It's

1:58

Women's History Month. Oh

2:00

no. Don't say that.

2:02

Wow. We just exited Black Epstein

2:05

Month. That's true. Wow. That

2:07

was a tough month. Just

2:09

like, I feel like there's more black on

2:11

black talk and trash than before. How so?

2:15

Well, you got the Cat Williams, which was like

2:17

the Black Epstein list, you know. And

2:21

then like, What's Her Face did it? Monique

2:24

did it after him. I don't know. They just

2:26

feel like P Diddy is getting, you feel the

2:28

P Diddy stuff? No. Oh my God.

2:30

You got to get on Black Twitter. It's

2:32

wild. Blitter. Blitter. Yeah.

2:36

What's P Diddy been involved in? P Diddy. Oh,

2:38

Black Twitter would be Malcolm X. All

2:40

right. P Diddy

2:43

is getting called gay and apparently

2:45

hooked up with a bunch of young boys and

2:47

stuff. Getting called gay and

2:49

apparently hooked up. So it's like the R Kelly 2.0. It's

2:52

the R Kelly sequel. Yeah. No urine. Sans

2:55

urine. But yeah, apparently had like a

2:57

Bieber moment and an Usher thing and

2:59

a Meek Mill and all this. Check

3:02

it out. Yeah. I, uh,

3:05

watching that Cat Williams club,

3:07

Shay Shay appearance made

3:09

me realize that black people live in

3:11

an entirely different universe.

3:13

Like linguistically. Oh yeah. Not a

3:15

surprise to anyone, but you just

3:18

seeing that kind of a conversation.

3:20

You know, when someone comes in, they've got a very

3:22

strong accent and you kind of tune. Yes. And you

3:24

have a radio in your head. You're like, where am

3:27

I pink? And then you kind of hit the rhythm

3:29

and you're like, ah, yes. It took

3:31

a little while for me to, because, and

3:33

it's not just that it was references

3:35

are different and the cadence that's different.

3:37

And the, the, the way that they

3:39

use pauses is different and the colloquial

3:42

terms of these, everything is

3:44

so different. Yeah. Well, I feel

3:46

like they black people come up with all

3:48

these, these terms and lingo. And then we

3:51

take it like a year later. Whitey

3:53

will get it a year later and then we fuck it up.

3:55

And then black people are like, we need some new shit. Like

3:58

white people are still saying bling. Right now and

4:00

so like that I'm going to be chasing down

4:02

the cool of black people. Yeah, but we have

4:05

our whitey has it's a Contribution

4:08

like we'll invent basketball and

4:10

then black people will come and be

4:12

much better. Yeah Yeah, or like

4:15

we'll invent a car and they'll put a

4:17

rim on it or whatever Okay, so that

4:19

you're saying that they're like modding all of

4:21

white culture and making it better well better

4:23

Different their own whatever you want to call

4:25

it, but I think we help each other

4:27

There's a lot of like hey whitey steals

4:30

everything but like, you know, that's some back

4:32

and forth I understand what month

4:34

would you have if you could design one?

4:36

Ryan long said that he wanted to have

4:38

a premature parade which was for guys that

4:40

not too quickly. Oh That's

4:42

why that should be in February. It's the shortest month.

4:45

That's true. Geez. I don't know what

4:47

would I take I would take premature

4:51

maybe a flaccid flaccid

4:54

month No, I'll

4:56

go something off Off

4:59

dick were you Sleep in

5:01

month sleeping in month. Yes, that

5:03

would be nice to have a line. Well,

5:05

I didn't realize there's basically every

5:08

Friday every single week is

5:10

like a I'm

5:13

where the hell am I going on a plane

5:15

today day? Mmm for all comedians That

5:17

you got a jump on planes and you know,

5:20

if I end up texting someone on a Friday

5:22

It's just about think I'm getting on a

5:25

plane to Phoenix or I'm getting on a plane to

5:27

Utah I'm going to wherever like there's always

5:29

that that's it. That's what your Friday is consists

5:31

of yeah morning Totally like I'm here on a

5:33

Thursday and this feels foreign. It feels

5:35

weird to not be on a Friday flying out But

5:38

yeah, by the way, if I'm taking a month,

5:40

let's go off offended month. Nobody can get in

5:42

trouble month So you can

5:45

just say horrific shit in this month and

5:47

not get in trouble. That would be fun

5:49

like a purge. Oh God

5:51

yeah, well you could do that fit. That would be

5:53

nice even just as an amnesty like a joke amnesty,

5:55

right? Right 12 hours. You can say anything

5:57

you want. No one's allowed to get mad at you. Although

5:59

the word they would get out of hand the

6:02

first day would be ugly that yeah maybe

6:04

not speaking of utah i went to utah

6:06

for the first time and you taught me

6:09

you taught me about mormon

6:11

soaking yes are

6:14

we going right into soaking i

6:16

was just in salt lake they they still do

6:18

it i brought it up and the crowd

6:20

goes wild what can you explain for the uninitiated

6:22

pull this sucker down a little bit for me

6:25

sure what what is soaking soaking is they can't

6:27

have sex or they can't thrust so they're allowed

6:29

to put it in and just

6:31

hold it there like a gun in a

6:33

holster and then they have all

6:36

these loopholes much like the Hasidic jews

6:38

they have all these loopholes where a

6:40

kid can jump on the bed next

6:42

to them and so it'll cause a humping

6:45

movement without actually humping

6:47

because the kid was jumping on the bed it's

6:52

their dumb religion that is the smartest thing but i

6:54

didn't realize it's the first time i've been to utah

6:56

first time i've been to park city first time i've

6:58

been to salt lake city and uh

7:01

i didn't realize that coffee

7:03

isn't allowed yes but

7:06

energy drinks are allowed yes

7:09

loophole uh tattoos are

7:11

not allowed but breast

7:13

augmentation surgery is allowed oh is that

7:15

right yeah so you can get cosmetic

7:18

surgery but you can't get a tattoo

7:20

you can drink like mutonic or monster

7:22

or whatever but you can't drink coffee

7:24

uh and there's just i don't know i feel like the

7:29

litigiousness should have been more

7:31

watertight yeah yeah well

7:33

i think these rules were made before

7:35

they thought of red bull yes you

7:37

know so they're like that coffee's out

7:39

but you go there and the people are

7:41

repressed they're great comedy crowds because i think they're like oh

7:44

he said that horrible thing that felt so good

7:46

i can't fuck my daughter or whatever you know

7:48

so the whole thing is wacky but when you

7:51

think about it i sarah silverman had a great

7:53

bit about how we we make fun of Scientology

7:55

but it's just because it's new if

7:58

someone brought out Christianity today be

8:00

like, wait, wait, she got pregnant without

8:02

fucking there's a baby Jesus who

8:04

wise men don't

8:06

eat fish on Friday, whatever it is, you know,

8:08

like, it's just new. And I think

8:11

the same with Mormonism. It's just, it's, it

8:13

seems silly, but it's just because we're not

8:15

in it. Yeah, that's interesting. I, uh, I

8:17

heard a rumor. I don't know if

8:19

this is true, but the third largest

8:21

cash reserves in the world are held

8:23

by the Mormon church. Really?

8:25

Someone made them open

8:28

up their accounts. Maybe

8:30

there was some investigation and obviously there are a

8:33

nonprofit or whatever, but just endless

8:36

numbers of crazy rich people. Wow. Mormons

8:38

and contributing to the Mormon church and

8:41

apparently the Mormon church basically built all

8:43

of Salt Lake as well. Yeah. Uh,

8:46

it's, have you been to the

8:48

campus to bring them young? No, what's

8:50

that? That's their university. That's the Mormon

8:53

university. Beautiful campus ornate, like crazy

8:55

architecture. Really nice. These religions

8:57

have so much money. Scientology has a

8:59

crazy real estate in like Clearwater, Florida

9:01

and LA. Crazy money.

9:04

They're really nice. My, uh, assistant is

9:06

Mormon and he's phenomenal. He went

9:08

and did his missionary thing, came

9:11

back, immediately married, immediately moved in with his,

9:13

with his wife. I spent Christmas

9:15

Eve with him and the wife

9:17

and the parents-in-law at the Mormon.

9:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're nice people.

9:22

Fantastic. Just some

9:24

weird. Yeah. Sub rules. What

9:26

about the polygamy? Is that real? I don't

9:28

know. What's the, they can have multiple wives. Yeah.

9:30

Well, that was big love. There was a couple

9:33

reality shows about it. I don't know if

9:35

that's real though. It might, might be outdated. I

9:37

think that they're trying, that there's a current

9:39

push at the moment to make polygamy

9:43

the, be ratified in the

9:45

same way as gay marriage was. Oh. You

9:48

can have like a throuple marriage. That's

9:50

not, that's not something legally that's recognized

9:52

at the moment. That's true. If you

9:54

get married to two people, three

9:57

people get married. Yeah. That's

9:59

not, you don't. have the same sort of

10:01

legal protections and I know maybe this partway

10:03

between kink shaming and you

10:06

don't know the way that

10:08

we structure our new world relationship. Well,

10:10

that's the problem now is if something's

10:12

new and you push back on it,

10:14

everybody's like, you're a big and you're

10:16

closed minded, but that's a slippery slope

10:18

because now we're getting into maps minor

10:20

attracted person. You know, like

10:23

you just if you shoot that

10:25

down now, maybe you look like

10:27

an asshole and you're like, no, no, I'm just trying

10:29

to help kids. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? Well,

10:31

I think anything that's new. Anyone

10:34

that has any desire and that desire

10:37

being told is wrong might quickly gets

10:39

accused of yeah, kink shaming or this

10:41

is it's some sort of

10:43

judgment on them as a person. Yeah, it's definitely

10:45

not the way that it should be right. Well,

10:47

progress is good, but people always they always go

10:49

too far. They're like, let's see what else we

10:51

can get away with. You know, we got this. We

10:53

got that. We got this. Now. How about that?

10:55

And you go? Well, that's crazy. It's like

10:57

smoking. All right. Hear

11:00

me out there legs. Hold

11:02

on. First, it was

11:04

like, hey, you can't smoke in the

11:06

restaurant this half. You're like, all right. Then you're

11:08

like, hey, you got to smoke at the bar. That's like, hey, you got

11:11

to smoke at the outside. Then

11:13

you got to smoke 10 feet away from the entrance and

11:15

it just keeps going going. Now it's like cigarettes are illegal.

11:18

So you got to kind of hold the

11:20

line at some point. It's good to

11:22

have progress, but I feel like people get a little

11:25

power hungry. Yeah. Did you see Google's

11:28

Gemini? Yes. Hilarious. Yeah, that's

11:30

the new like battleground for

11:32

woke and stuff. I don't

11:35

know how much that is

11:37

indicative of Google's

11:39

underlying woke. Yeah.

11:41

Desires to, you know, trans the entire

11:43

world and stuff like that. It totally

11:45

might be. I read the press release

11:47

where they were apologizing. And oh, really?

11:49

Yeah. The guy put out like we

11:51

we made some errors, basically, like was

11:53

it? And he said, oh, yeah, no

11:55

shit. Yeah. Biggest news story in the

11:57

world from the biggest company in the

11:59

world. That's 90% of the

12:01

entire planet's search volume and now everyone is

12:04

skeptical about whether or not your company's got

12:06

good underlying principles Yeah, yeah, and it

12:08

just it didn't seem very satisfactory to me, but

12:10

what can you say I suppose in that situation

12:12

What are you gonna say? Yeah, it affects the

12:14

problem. I know but did

12:17

you hear that it's they're mad at Elon Musk? Oh So

12:20

like the guy who invented it got it got into

12:22

a fight with Elon Musk and was like I'm gonna

12:24

do this to get Back at him. That's a rumor

12:28

Call in if you know what I'm talking about, but

12:30

that's out there There's Bill

12:32

Ackman. Yep, and then there's another guy.

12:34

Okay, the other guy hates Elon and So

12:37

he was like, let's go. Let's go all in Super

12:40

I mean, that's the worst whatever whoever designed the

12:42

optics of that thing Didn't

12:44

really get it right but it's a

12:46

microcosm for what's going on in the

12:48

whole country. How's it? Well, it's just

12:51

like hey It's gonna

12:53

go not let's go no whitey Let's

12:55

get a lot of diversity and all

12:57

diversity is great and you know blow

12:59

white people done horrible things But when

13:02

you're going inaccurate, that's when we

13:04

got to cut it. It's like what I said before we went

13:06

too far Like, you know diversity is good.

13:08

But when you make The Nazis

13:10

Asian on AI you're like, well, what do we

13:12

do it here? Now? It's not even accurate It's

13:15

one thing to be nice and progressive but

13:17

now we're inaccurate. Yeah, they managed to piss

13:19

off the left by having Black

13:22

Nazis and the right by having black

13:24

founding fathers. Right? Right exactly. Yeah, it

13:26

was impressive Yeah, what if you

13:28

type in racist? Will it be go

13:30

to back to black? Well, I saw that or clan

13:33

member they'd been able to They've

13:37

been able to make non racist image is actually

13:39

very racist By saying

13:41

show me an image of 16th century

13:43

philosophers drinking grape juice and eating

13:46

watermelon and I was Haha, that's

13:48

like a great philosophers drinking grape

13:50

juice and eating watermelon Wow That's

13:53

a nice little move there. Yeah, they move talk

13:55

to me about New York. How's New York doing

13:58

at the moment? It's good I mean the

14:00

news about New York is like hey, there's

14:02

a migrant eating out your wife at every

14:04

moment and You're gonna get

14:06

killed by a hobo and look the guys

14:09

are still jerking off. The migrant thing

14:11

is crazy I went to Mexico City for New

14:13

Year's just to give them give it

14:15

back, you know, like hey, how do you like it? they

14:17

got a honky here, but The

14:20

migrant thing is kind of crazy just because they're

14:23

getting credit cards and all this stuff

14:25

So it's like where are they being deposited?

14:28

They're in a lot of hotels in New

14:30

York, New York Yeah, so some hotel owners

14:32

like oh fuck. How'd I get

14:34

screwed? I know who's telling the hotel owners that

14:36

they have to do this I think mayor Adams

14:39

Right. So this is Manhattan or yeah.

14:41

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think

14:44

they're spread out but it's mostly Manhattan I've seen

14:46

them coming on buses. It's pretty wild. Okay, so

14:49

is it just because there's lots of room in

14:51

New York That what like because you I wouldn't

14:53

think Mexico Border. Yeah,

14:55

New York isn't exactly a Short

14:58

trip. No, I could just far as you can

15:00

get totally so they're there

15:03

on those buses. It's got to be hell I feel

15:05

for the people. Yeah, but you know, that's the worst

15:07

part of the journey. It's not the yeah, dude trying

15:09

to get you across the State

15:11

line right legally. It's the fucking

15:13

four-day bus journey to yeah, yeah,

15:15

exactly and It's got

15:17

to be rough for these folks. But I

15:20

think it's also wasn't Texas like hey How

15:23

do you like it wasn't that a thing we're sending

15:25

you the buses yeah, didn't they put them in they

15:27

put them in some really nice Retreat

15:30

some place that rich people go on holidays

15:32

vineyard Martha's vineyard and said we're depositing them

15:34

all here and then there was big kickoffs

15:36

Yeah, yeah, I uh, there's this

15:38

big fight at the moment about whether or not it's state

15:41

problem or it's federal problem Mmm, and

15:43

it seems in the law to be pretty much

15:45

unequivocally a federal problem It's like the state doesn't

15:47

get to choose who comes in and out of

15:49

the state from other countries Like the country first,

15:52

but then yeah, I didn't know man. I I

15:54

uh, it's it's Bizarre

15:57

that this is happening to New York, which is supposed to

15:59

be this, you know, like flagship of

16:02

America. Yeah. It's super tourist hotspot. I

16:04

went to the Bahamas about six months

16:07

ago and I was talking to the

16:09

dude that was driving me, interesting Bahamas,

16:11

because it was settled by the Brits

16:14

and then developed by the Brits, they

16:17

drive on our side of the road. So they

16:19

drive on the left-hand side of the road, but

16:21

because they're only 30 minutes

16:24

off the coast of Miami, they

16:26

drive American cars. Oh, you're

16:28

driving a left-hand drive car on the

16:30

left-hand side of the road. Weird.

16:33

Which is a nightmare. Yeah. But

16:35

it's all British road markings,

16:37

British speed limit. It's pretty, which I like. Anyway,

16:39

I was asking the guy, the Uber driver, and

16:41

I was saying, what's the crime like around here,

16:43

you know? Are there any areas

16:45

that I shouldn't go to? I was in there for two

16:47

days. I managed to get myself into gang problems. It would

16:50

have been definitely a me thing. Yeah. And he

16:52

said there is sort of, you

16:54

know, violence and gang activity on

16:56

the island, but every tourist should

16:59

be pretty reliably safe. That's

17:02

interesting. Why? He said, because if gangs

17:05

do stuff to locals or to other

17:07

gangs, the police sort of treat them

17:09

as you'd expect. But if they do

17:11

it to tourists, they come down on

17:13

them like a ton of bricks. Because

17:15

if there is negative tourism information put

17:17

out to the world, that hurts everybody.

17:19

That's good. Completely dependent. But you'd think

17:21

that the same would be true in

17:23

New York. Yeah. Well, we're so dependent

17:25

on tourism. But I think the country

17:27

has got this thing going on now

17:29

where it's like, you,

17:31

we already got you. These people are new,

17:34

so we're going to be nicer to them.

17:36

That kind of feels like the general consensus

17:38

in the world. You know, like, hey,

17:40

this is, we're already, you already live here. These people

17:42

are new. We got to be nice to them. I

17:45

don't know. That just feels like it's in the air now

17:47

where it used to be the opposite. It used to be

17:49

like, we're Americans. We come first. And I'm

17:51

not saying that one is right or wrong, but I do

17:53

think that it's flipped in society

17:56

lately. But I think we

17:58

should send a busload of drag. Queens to

18:00

Texas just you know as like a little

18:02

revenge what do you

18:04

guys hate the most we'll send trans drag

18:07

queens to Texas just to get you back

18:13

well RuPaul Texas that'll be

18:15

interesting everyone in a pink

18:17

fluffy cowboy hat like they're on a

18:19

bachelorette party in Nashville right right well

18:22

the problem is

18:24

the bail reform not to be

18:26

that guy you know about this oh this is bad so this

18:29

is the thing where all these people commit

18:31

crimes and they get out immediately so like

18:34

then they've committed another crime and everybody's like why is this

18:36

person out on the street you're like well they got bailed

18:38

out that's a new law who's bailing them

18:40

bail reform I think it's if they're not committing

18:43

a crime with a gun you can't keep them in

18:45

prison yeah you haven't heard

18:47

this no this is what's fucking up the city

18:49

it's more than the migrants or anything else yeah

18:52

give it we need Jmo here to pull it up

18:55

pull it up okay but bail

18:58

reform is really bad so like if you

19:00

if I hit you with a hammer I'll

19:02

go to jail and get out that day

19:04

because it's not a gun but if you hit

19:06

me with a gun yeah yeah my little whip might

19:08

be an issue well did you hear about the four

19:10

migrants who beat up the cop no oh

19:12

man all right well yeah that was a

19:14

big big news story in New York and

19:17

they went to jail and got out that

19:20

day and then they got out of prison they're

19:22

on the news like we're back out baby fuck

19:24

all you guys oh my god so it's the

19:26

morale is low yeah I bet it is in

19:29

the city and what's it like being you know

19:31

day-to-day living in ex-week so presumably

19:33

but every time that I go to New York I

19:36

just do the full tourist thing I always end up on

19:38

Times Square even if I don't mean to be there like

19:40

I just I don't really know where I'm going and you

19:42

meet people you're like meet in the

19:44

middle of Times Square like it's the only

19:46

fucking landmark yeah I would obviously

19:49

that's not you you know you're gonna be going to

19:51

work you're gonna be going to shows you're gonna be

19:53

you're gonna know the roots to take yeah there's a

19:55

felt sense of someone living in New York how

19:58

often are you interacting with the Downfall

20:01

of the city. Not

20:03

too often just because I know my route.

20:05

I know I got my head on a

20:07

swivel I've been mugged a couple times already

20:09

that my first year there, so I've got

20:11

it down pretty good It's kind of when

20:13

you got the map open and you got

20:16

the checkered plaid shirt on and the polo

20:18

and Why dyes with the camera around the

20:20

neck? Exactly exactly khaki shorts and that whole

20:22

thing so that's kind of when you get

20:24

fucked, but I Still

20:27

love it like I travel every weekend and you

20:29

go to Salt Lake City, and it's pretty but

20:31

I'm like There's nothing going on. There's no

20:33

energy. You know I'm walking around there's no one on

20:35

the sidewalk I need that part

20:37

so I like New York for that reason and

20:40

I'll probably never leave I arrived during Santa con

20:43

Oh, wow an absolute fever

20:46

dream. Yeah, that's wild and

20:48

a little offensive to Jews Why well

20:50

they don't celebrate Christmas, so we're really in

20:52

their face with it Hanukkah con we could

20:55

do Yeah Yeah,

20:58

Hanukkah con talking about the

21:00

the cat Williams thing I was listening to

21:02

him speak to Rogan and he was saying

21:05

that Hollywood is not really there to entertain

21:07

you Propaganda in Hollywood is

21:09

built into the ingredients list you're kind

21:11

of Like and you can

21:13

you translate that Hollywood is not really there to

21:15

entertain you propaganda in Hollywood is built into the

21:18

ingredients list basically that what does that mean that

21:20

I think a lot of what

21:22

he thinks is happening in Hollywood is Curated

21:25

narratives in order to be

21:28

able to deliver a particular

21:30

message to The

21:32

public out there now. I

21:35

didn't realize that this entire well-established

21:38

law about black

21:40

guys Having to go

21:42

through this ceremony of wearing a dress. Oh,

21:46

yeah Yeah on a movie like this is part

21:48

of it in order to be able to get

21:50

a big role This is complete like well-established kind

21:52

of almost it's it's like taken as a

21:54

given right that black guys need

21:56

to do that apparently Apparently,

21:58

I don't know. I give there's a bag of cash waiting for

22:00

you, you just need to put on the dress phone. Yeah,

22:04

I don't know. I mean, look, I'm, I

22:06

can't speak to it because I'm not a

22:08

Afro Americane, but, uh, I feel

22:10

like this black guy who never wore a dress, who made

22:12

it, are there not? Well,

22:15

I hope so. But if you'd like, I was talking

22:17

to Ryan about this and he seemed to, he seemed

22:19

to like, just, it's taken as a

22:21

given that's in there, but yeah. You're

22:24

kind of circling some of

22:26

the more mainstreamy bits. You do

22:28

like late nighty shows and stuff.

22:31

What's the experience, cause obviously you're like straddling

22:34

independent stuff, comedy

22:36

stuff, and then mainstream stuff too.

22:38

Yeah. What's the Tanner

22:41

like inside mainstream

22:43

TV at the moment? Like, what's it like

22:45

when you're like? It's weird.

22:47

It's definitely, um, it's like

22:49

you said, there's definitely like a message that we have

22:51

to uphold. And, uh, the

22:54

weird thing about the message or whatever you want

22:56

to call it, the narrative is I'm

22:58

okay with the narrative. I get it. We've always had

23:00

narratives like in the fifties, the

23:03

husband and wife had two beds and

23:05

they're fucking married and they have kids, but they

23:07

have two separate beds. But we all know they're

23:09

banging, but it's the fifties, you

23:12

know? So now the message or the narrative

23:14

is different. But my thing is you

23:16

can't even bring up the narrative. People act like

23:18

there's nothing. They're like, no, what are you talking

23:20

about? Ha ha ha. And I'm like, well,

23:23

wait a minute. So we're doing this shit, but I

23:25

can't, we can't even bring it up either. That's where

23:27

I get fucked. As long as we can acknowledge it,

23:29

then we're good. What

23:31

would you say to people that say, uh, you're

23:34

seeing racism, why there isn't any like this isn't

23:36

racism. This is just representation or something? Uh,

23:39

I would say I'm all for representation,

23:41

but like, you know, some of these

23:43

comedy festivals, they'll, they have to

23:45

check some boxes. So they'll bring on a black

23:47

guy who's not that good, but he's black. And

23:50

you're like, well, there's a tons of funny black

23:52

guys. But you just went with the

23:54

guy who is black instead of a funny guy

23:57

who happens to be black. And that's to me,

23:59

that's the ultimate. racism. That's like a

24:01

soft racism. Why would they, is there

24:05

a subsection of black comedians or black

24:08

actors and contributors to stuff

24:10

that happens on TV who

24:13

push a narrative that is more publicly acceptable? Is

24:15

that why those guys get chosen? Oh,

24:18

that's a good question. Maybe

24:20

yeah, like Tom Segura has that funny thing where

24:22

they're like, we're looking for like some people of

24:24

color. And he's like, well, I'm Hispanic. And they're

24:26

like, yeah, not that color. Not that we need

24:28

more Hispanic than you. And he's like, so you're

24:31

full of shit. So stuff like that,

24:33

where I just, I'm fine with, with

24:35

all the bullshit. You just got to acknowledge it just

24:37

so I don't feel crazy. What Francis Foster's Venezuelan

24:41

from Trigonometry, Konstantin Kessin is Russian. Yeah. Oh

24:43

yeah. So, you know, you've got two guys

24:45

that are as fucking emigrenty as you're going

24:48

to get. Sure. But they don't look at

24:50

it. No. Yeah. Isn't that

24:52

strange that it's not? Well,

24:54

it's all optics at the end of the day. You know,

24:57

you want to be able to go look at these guys

24:59

I booked and you want to have a fucking sombrero and

25:01

a guy, you know,

25:03

with a, with like a

25:05

poncho on just because it's

25:08

easy. It's a crazy image, but we want

25:10

to, you know, we want, we want a

25:12

guy in like a Daishiki and who's

25:14

like really black, you know,

25:16

selling purses. That's what you want. But

25:19

if you go, hey, this guy's black, they're like, well, he

25:21

looks white. You're like, well, he's an albino, but he's black.

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checkout. What are your thoughts post

26:30

Shane's SNL appearance? Have you thought

26:32

about what this means for comedy?

26:34

Is it the landmark

26:36

moment that sort of some people hope it

26:38

is? I think it is a big deal.

26:41

I don't wanna be one of these, hey,

26:43

this is a knife in the

26:45

chest of cancel bullshit. I don't think it's

26:47

that profound, but I do think, to

26:50

me it's funny because SNL is like, you're out,

26:52

you're fired. And then five years later,

26:54

they're like, ah. He still said

26:56

the thing that they hated. Which

26:59

one is it? It kinda just

27:01

shows that a lot of this shit is bullshit.

27:05

You see that Brian Stelzer, you know who that is?

27:07

He was a CNN, he

27:11

was a CNN panelist or whatever you

27:13

call it, pundit. And he was like,

27:15

oh, he's like, ah, these Republicans. And

27:17

now he's gotten fired and now he's

27:19

gone Republican. So it's

27:22

just kinda funny that things flip

27:24

and flop and we can go 100 miles

27:27

an hour in one way, and

27:29

something changes and we just, you turn and go the other way. And

27:31

you're like, well, what about all that

27:33

stuff that you were doing? So it's all silly and

27:36

we're all gonna die one day. Well, I don't know.

27:38

I mean, people who change

27:40

their opinions with the wind, it

27:44

does make you think that they're pretty unreliable.

27:47

You know, if SNL, and this wasn't, I

27:49

wasn't really paying much attention five years ago

27:51

when the Shane original thing kicked off. But

27:53

you just said, what was he on the

27:55

front cover of? American Life or something? Who?

27:58

Shane. Oh, I think it was like Newsweek. Right

28:00

which is a big deal. Yeah, that's a

28:02

big thing that's going on. It was him,

28:04

Cosby, Harvey and Shane and it was like

28:06

What are we doing here? Yeah,

28:09

it's crazy. And then you think okay, so in five

28:11

years time, I mean, I don't know it would have

28:13

been interesting for SNL to have Made

28:17

people understand why they changed their

28:19

opinion because it sounds an awful lot

28:21

like well Shane's more popular

28:23

now, right because it's not

28:26

he's still I mean during his opening

28:28

monologue He managed to say the word

28:30

gay retaught and cracker So

28:34

and we all we're all okay nobody died

28:36

everybody's fine with the words that we're gonna

28:38

be alright Well, you know what?

28:41

I love about it all these outlets are like he bombed

28:43

he bombed first of all It wasn't

28:45

a bomb. He was a little loosey-goosey. He

28:47

looked a little nervous, but he got big laughs I

28:49

thought he did well But I

28:51

know a couple of comics who have bombed on there,

28:54

but they didn't write that about them and they were like definite

28:57

bombs So why

28:59

won't you write it shows that there's an agenda

29:01

always there's always something more behind it Which

29:04

is weird in journalism because it used to not

29:06

be like that. You're supposed to just report on

29:08

fact I guess everyone's got an opinion, right? Do

29:10

you not like it? I did see someone had

29:12

done a search and so many of the headlines

29:15

just appear to be the same thing almost like

29:17

I know That whole kind of

29:19

coordinated Well, it's the same with late

29:21

night every late night is like we hate this we

29:23

like the you know They're all the same jokes. Just that's

29:26

why when John Stewart got the Daily Show and he

29:28

did like the Biden's old

29:30

and Trump is annoying or what it was

29:32

like. Whoa, you hit two you hit both

29:34

that was like revolutionary Yes, and then he

29:36

got attacked for that. Did he? Yeah,

29:38

you know people got mad at him

29:40

He got some backlash what they shouldn't

29:42

be talking about Biden's yeah decline exactly

29:44

there was a the White House physician

29:47

did an assessment of Biden's health And

29:50

he said it was like, you know, this has

29:52

been it's one of the most Overdone

29:55

Topics like is he capable to do the

29:57

job? He's gonna be the oldest president ever

29:59

that come. The dwarf is if you get

30:01

reelected, The same can be true if Trump

30:03

as well. Even though Trump doesn't seem at

30:05

least mentally to be the same, White House

30:07

doctor claims Biden fit for duty after physical

30:10

President Joe Biden is allegedly fit for duty

30:12

following of yearly physical exam Putting to White

30:14

House topic Kevin O'connor a kind of say

30:16

that there were no new concerns identify during

30:18

cause of the exam from the last i'm

30:20

bad with England and Twenty Twenty Three he

30:22

claimed by remain fit for duty and fully

30:24

executes all of his responsibilities of that any

30:26

exemptions or accommodations. He also called Biden healthy,

30:28

active and robust, While the results from

30:31

Bidens physically something positive know cognitive exam

30:33

was performed that ah the classic or

30:35

to see the thing would throw up

30:37

where he said he said some on

30:39

a panel and he was like. How

30:42

about that Mercedes? And arising he got his

30:44

wife's name Or on. Oh my God. he's

30:46

slipping. He's living. As all these articles about

30:48

him slipping and then they came out. The

30:50

Mercedes was the name of the woman running

30:52

the panel. So. Put, they don't

30:54

go back and they don't go. Ah shit, we fucked

30:57

that up. And you're like. Whoa.

31:00

I. Haven't seen you guys do that to

31:02

Biden when he slips and eat ice

31:04

cream and talks about Palestine is her

31:06

side. And like I don't care,

31:09

but that's what I'm saying. like there's always an

31:11

agenda or a message that it. You.

31:13

Can't go against. And I'm fine

31:15

with the message we just got to acknowledge. the

31:17

ads would kills me like the Ai thing

31:19

is great proof because you're like. Oh

31:21

right. Something. Is going on

31:24

Unequivocal. Obvious yeah of

31:26

what's going on underneath exactly. That's all.

31:28

as is it's to go are idea

31:31

right? it's happening. Back. To

31:33

work. Yeah, it's a. It's

31:35

kind of interesting when the mosque slips and I think

31:37

people just such a problem with. The.

31:40

Accusation garnering so much attention and then

31:42

the retraction being so piss poor. Yeah,

31:44

always we like we like a headline.

31:46

That's why they have to ride same

31:48

bombs because it's like we gotta get

31:50

we're gonna grab him. I

31:53

wondered the had. thinking about

31:55

same getting back on to us now

31:57

and going right is this a Is

32:01

this a landmark moment that shows that we've

32:03

gone past the peak woke stuff and everything's

32:06

kind of coming back around? I don't

32:08

know. I don't know how big of a

32:10

deal SNL is. Yeah US I

32:13

don't know how much stuff's downstream from it But

32:15

certainly that guy who went to Apple and then

32:17

went back John Stewart. Yeah, the guy Yeah, I

32:19

always get him and John Oliver mix up. Oh

32:21

both were on the Daily Show but one's British.

32:23

Yes He's

32:26

sort of starting to push things a little bit

32:28

Bill Mars kind of always been Relatively

32:30

kind of one foot in each camp. Yeah, yeah

32:32

to kind of call stuff out I don't know

32:35

like ultimately rather than

32:37

looking at narratives and what

32:39

sort of Desire or what

32:41

kind of big story a message is being pushed. It's

32:43

way easy to just look at incentives Yeah

32:46

What are people incentivized to talk about? If

32:49

they're incentivized to talk about this one thing

32:51

because it makes them look empathetic and caring

32:53

and and and like there are an altruistic

32:56

truth teller people will just

32:58

do that. Yeah by

33:00

far the easiest thing is to make it either

33:04

cancerous or uncool or obviously

33:06

manipulating to Do

33:09

that thing to do the force diversity

33:11

to do and I think Almost

33:15

Who'd you know in normal life that

33:17

cares about that stuff? No. Yeah, that's true

33:20

That gives me hope is when you see

33:22

just you know like I remember I went to

33:24

a thing with my wife's family and

33:26

I They were like you want

33:28

a beer? I was like throw me a Bud Light.

33:30

Yeah trans whatever and he was like What do you

33:33

mean? I'm like, well, you know Dylan Mulvaney and he's

33:35

like who I'm like, oh, you're a healthy person Yeah,

33:37

you got your kids you live out in the suburbs

33:39

you you golf, you know That that guy's living life

33:41

and I'm out here like Hunter

33:44

Biden and Mitch McConnell. I'm writing all these

33:46

jokes and I think all that shit slips

33:48

in and it makes you sadder Yes So

33:51

he's living it right and I think we're kind

33:53

of dialed in to the world and the culture

33:55

and all that shit And I think

33:57

it might be Eating away at us. Yeah, I think you're

33:59

probably right. What's? Your strategy for remaining positive

34:01

because you've got to keep on top of this

34:03

stuff I know and I wouldn't be able to

34:05

do the jokes and things, but you also don't

34:07

want to be. Completely at the mercy

34:10

and Abby a brain sucked out of your is I

34:12

think gotta be just be aware of it. You gotta

34:14

can ago are at I'm watching a lot of. Gaza.

34:16

Strip stuff and get a full bad

34:18

I will. Relaxation music on an evening.

34:21

Thoughts and some people play a video,

34:23

a fork, a video of a fireplace.

34:25

yeah Gaza Strip or this year Hey

34:27

I've just gotta the iron dome getting

34:29

bombed. That's my screensaver. but the yes

34:31

I I'm he has. He got to

34:33

be aware of his. You gotta be

34:35

conscious of it and you gotta keep

34:37

it silly. And Akiba Funny tho,

34:39

those comics you up and just this is

34:41

happening in the country that I like. Well,

34:43

this isn't fun. You. Gonna put a

34:45

dick joke in there somewhere so some out the

34:48

bit silly and be aware that this is all

34:50

news, it's all going to go away. The guy

34:52

let himself on fire the other day. That.

34:54

Will go away and three days which is

34:56

sad. the I'm ah I'm but there that

34:59

says how as is how it works and

35:01

none of this affects you directly. You go

35:03

to the gym, Delete. Your

35:05

protein. You. Get laid,

35:07

you move on. That a it's

35:10

the some. It's a two

35:12

way. Selective amnesia. Odd sort

35:14

of short term memory that the press

35:16

or Snl or whoever seem to very

35:19

quickly be prepared to forget the thing

35:21

that they stated as obsolete one hundred

35:23

percent. By now, it's undeniable, thanks. But

35:25

then the audience also forget that yeah,

35:28

that they were previously vehement about how

35:30

many people I would love to see

35:32

some on do a study of the

35:34

proportion of people with Ukraine flags in

35:37

their bio ah e and in like,

35:39

how does the graph peak yeah and

35:41

then it that have tails. Off and

35:43

details often than all those gaza happened and

35:45

like that that was a big drop. Yeah

35:48

yeah, the stock of Ukraine discussions really really

35:50

hit. Oh yeah October seventh for the big

35:52

dent in that right and them will continue

35:54

to go on. Continues going Us and it's

35:56

this. Flimsiness.

35:59

as of people's convictions about things that

36:01

they care about like look if you're gonna

36:03

force me to read a

36:07

hundred tweet thread or

36:09

you posting about this particular thing

36:12

over and over and over again or new stories

36:14

being dominated by this thing then have

36:17

the courage of your convictions to stick about and

36:19

keep talking about that when it's not popular. Of

36:21

course it feels like fashion like

36:23

all you're still wearing those pants those are

36:26

so out you're like oh shit and but

36:28

instead of fashion though like you made Ukraine

36:30

your whole personality and now it's kind

36:32

of faded out and so now you gotta just. Pretend

36:35

no or hope no one noticed and go to

36:37

the next thing am ever stop Asian hate are

36:39

they okay that they get stopped getting hated what

36:41

happened but that was a hashtag for eight minutes

36:44

and we all got on board and then it

36:46

moved on i think i've heard someone call it

36:48

the opinion pageant. I

36:50

like that yeah where it's all about

36:52

what opinion you holding and what's

36:55

fashionable at this one time you have a

36:57

team miss speaking of opinion pageant what's your

37:00

bomber jacket you're wearing a misty

37:02

in USA. Vintage

37:05

coach coat that i found at a

37:07

thrift store with that and owned by.

37:10

Donald j trump i did he

37:12

do that i did what was he did he did miss

37:14

America he did miss America yeah. No

37:16

this is i just found a thrift store and i was

37:18

like i'm buying this it says miss teen USA so i

37:20

love the idea of some guy with a whistle. And

37:23

i got was just like right bring her we're

37:25

gonna we're gonna win it this year kelly you

37:27

know so i had to buy it like in

37:30

a boot camp for miss teen America yeah yeah

37:32

when i was a kid a girl i know

37:34

girls in high school like i'm done to playboy

37:36

i hope i can get in playboy and playboy

37:38

became this evil thing. So it's funny

37:41

how much that shifted remember the playboy

37:43

mansion with every guy's dream like if i make

37:45

it to the playboy mansion i'll be said i've

37:47

made it yeah and now that's gone. And

37:49

now go to only funds instead. Right

37:52

good point it was strange like i

37:55

think something that in with

37:57

one perspective could be seen as

37:59

exploitative. is seen as empowering when done

38:01

just at a slightly different kind

38:03

of angle. I love the empowering. That's

38:06

a real catch-all for horseshit. Isn't

38:08

it? You know, it's like, oh, I'm

38:10

stripping now. It's empowering. You're like,

38:12

all right, I guess I gotta go with that. Ah,

38:15

I'm a hooker. It's empowering. I mean, that

38:19

might be one of

38:21

the patriarchy's greatest tricks. Perhaps the patriarchy is

38:23

as powerful as we think it is. If

38:25

it's managed to convince women that getting naked

38:27

and selling their nudes on the internet and

38:29

the price of a cheeseburger is

38:32

actually something approximating empowerment. I get

38:34

it. Was that us? I

38:36

thought that was them. Well, that's my point. That's

38:38

the real psy-op. The real psy-op is that we

38:40

convince them that that's something that they should enforce

38:42

between themselves. Sure. Well, I mean,

38:44

feminism is great because it's like, we want to be

38:46

shirtless like men. We want to pay for dinner. And

38:48

you're like, bring it on, sister. Rah,

38:51

rah. I found a

38:53

interesting study looking at

38:57

who pays for dates. So

38:59

for Gen Z, an age-old question, who pays

39:01

for dates, young people tend to lean more

39:03

liberal on a range of issues pertaining to

39:05

relationship norms. But when it comes to dating,

39:07

the idea that men should still pay prevails

39:09

in heterosexual courtship. Researchers found that

39:11

young men paid for all or most of

39:13

the dates around 90% of the time,

39:16

while women paid only 2% and

39:18

they split the check around about 8%. And

39:20

subsequent dates splitting the check was more common, though.

39:23

Men still paid a majority of the time

39:25

while women rarely did. Nearly 80% of men

39:27

expected that they would pay on the first

39:29

date, while just another half of women expected

39:31

men to pay. Surprisingly, views on gender norms

39:33

that didn't make much of a difference. On

39:35

average, both men and women in the sample

39:38

expected the man to pay whether they had

39:40

more traditional views of gender roles or more

39:42

progressive ones. The findings strongly showed that the

39:44

traditional pattern is still there. The persistent tradition

39:46

of men paying for women may seem like

39:48

a harmless artifact, but in a relationship, some

39:50

acts don't exist in a vacuum.

39:53

Wow. Well, how about that? Looks like

39:55

that old Bill Burr joke. Women

39:58

want equality. except for a couple

40:00

things over here like if somebody breaks in you gotta

40:03

stop and you gotta pay for dinner uh...

40:05

the ship sinks i get off first you

40:07

know so that is just but it's an

40:09

interesting point you know we all want equality

40:12

to lose something you know the wnba

40:14

is like hey we should make as

40:16

much as men but male models make less

40:18

than women but i don't hear any women like hey

40:20

they should make as much as women well i sent

40:23

you that video the day the highlights from the wnba

40:25

one of my friend one of

40:27

my friends replied to me and was like dude look at the stands the

40:30

stands are just empty and you

40:32

think well i don't know again with that

40:34

it's it's not saying that the wnba doesn't

40:36

need support maybe the female basketball players

40:39

it would be great if more of them were incentivized

40:41

to do stuff but for all of the people

40:43

saying you aren't supporting the

40:46

wnba why aren't you attending of course why aren't

40:48

you in the stands sure and this is why

40:50

i've had this idea for ages about how hypocrisy

40:52

is kind of the perfect

40:55

purpose-built issue for

40:57

the internet because it's like do you remember

40:59

those games maybe even exist still on like

41:02

ipad's work it would be a spot the

41:04

difference thing would be in a touch screen

41:06

in some pub somewhere and you'd be like

41:08

looking between these two different images and be

41:10

like okay so that's there and that's there

41:12

the reason hypocrisy works is because what

41:15

someone said or tweeted previously

41:17

is available for you to see and then the

41:19

new thing that they said or tweeted is available

41:22

for you to see and you're able to compare

41:24

and contrast the tune you said well interesting she

41:26

once said this thing but look what's happening here

41:28

and this is why well look you just said

41:31

that the wnba needs way more support but you

41:33

haven't bought your season ticket to the like w

41:36

lakers or whatever right right so what i put your

41:39

money where your mouth is how is it that you

41:41

can talk about this and not cat like i saw

41:43

you courtside it like a balls game but yeah you

41:45

can't side of the women's balls game sure yeah

41:49

i mean it's it's obvious instead

41:51

on but that's how

41:53

people are i think they don't like having the

41:56

hypocrisy pointed out quite now as well like

41:58

what you know they did It

42:00

really shows up the less gracious parts of

42:02

you. But yeah, I think that's what people

42:04

are looking out for. They're looking out for,

42:07

hang on a second. Is this person fucking

42:09

telling the truth? That's like comedy. That's

42:11

where comedy comes in. We come into

42:13

that little, that little opening and really

42:15

blow it up. You know, like when,

42:17

when Caitlyn Jenner turned into

42:19

Caitlyn Jenner, a lot of women were

42:21

trying to be nice and they were like, she's beautiful.

42:23

Look how pretty she is. And I would go, well,

42:25

you look like her and they'd go, fuck you. And

42:28

I'm like, Oh, isn't that fun? That you can just, you're

42:31

full of shit and I can prove it. It's

42:33

like when guys say, I don't see color. You're like,

42:35

yeah, you do. All we talk about

42:37

is we need more black people in this movie.

42:39

This is a racist. I'm like, so you saw

42:42

the color. What if I'm like, I'm black. You

42:44

go, no, you're not. And I go, aha. Yeah.

42:47

So again, I'm okay

42:49

with all of it. You just got to stop

42:51

lying to me. Yeah. That's what, that's when you

42:53

start going nuts. Yeah. How again,

42:56

looking at that sort of Shane thing,

42:58

how effective do you think de-platforming is

43:01

generally or the kind of cancellation thing?

43:03

Cause we had a, who's

43:05

the fucking big guy that plays at the mothership

43:07

a good bit and he got in some trouble

43:10

about doing a George Floyd

43:12

joke. Oh yeah. Yeah.

43:14

Lucas. Yeah. Yeah. David Lucas. Yeah.

43:16

What's your, do you live

43:18

in permanent ambient fear of

43:20

the wrong clip going on up on the

43:22

internet? A little, it used to be way

43:25

scarier just cause people would really like, they

43:27

made a career off of getting you. So

43:29

it was like, they were more incentivized to

43:31

get you. But now I

43:33

think, uh, I think going after George

43:35

Floyd, I guess that is

43:37

pretty, that's pretty dicey, no matter who you

43:39

are. Flying close to the sun. Yeah. So

43:41

I'm not actually surprised that happened. I don't,

43:43

I don't support getting him in trouble, but

43:45

like, uh,

43:47

I'm not surprised. And also he put the video

43:49

up. So, you know, you're kind of

43:52

like, uh, if that happened, if I made a joke

43:54

about that, I would not be posting that. So there

43:56

is, there are some, uh, degrees to this,

43:58

but, uh, you know. He is a

44:00

comic and he can say whatever he wants and

44:02

people can backlash and then he can rebut and

44:04

that's how it goes so but I do think

44:06

deep platforming is Pretty

44:09

shitty because it's all we

44:11

talked about his compassion But what about

44:13

the guy or the gal like what's

44:15

the lady from the Mandalorian? The

44:18

UFC fighter lady who got in trouble.

44:20

Yes leading. Yes, you know like she

44:22

went through hell And then there's like a lot of

44:24

like suicide talk when that happens like they really go

44:26

through hell But people

44:29

go well, she's working again She's fine and

44:31

I hate that she's fine because

44:33

you're the one who always talks about compassion So

44:35

like let's say you called a guy

44:37

the n-word and then he went back to work the next

44:39

day and I was like He's fine. Well,

44:42

what about the n-word thing? Like that still hurt his

44:44

feelings. So it just feels

44:46

a little hypocritical to me Yeah, I

44:48

uh There's definitely something

44:50

about a person overcoming a

44:53

difficult situation and you thinking

44:55

well because they overcame it That means it's

44:57

not big. Yes, like you don't know how

44:59

much difficulty people went through. Of course you

45:01

overcome that So it's a good example of

45:03

this. I'm trying them

45:05

purposely trying harder to be more disagreeable

45:07

in my Really personal life and

45:09

on the show as well. Yeah, I just I've

45:11

found myself to be a bit of a people

45:13

pleaser I don't yeah me too sitting with discomfort,

45:15

especially on the show just makes

45:17

me feel like me too We were why

45:20

do we have that? What's wrong with us?

45:22

Well, I'm in fucking therapy So I've got

45:24

like a million bro psychology reasons for

45:26

why that's the case. But at

45:29

least for me if

45:31

I say something that I know is purposely

45:33

going to push the Guest

45:35

or even someone that I'm sad

45:37

opposite into an area of discomfort.

45:40

It makes me it's like toe curling

45:42

Lee difficult same so I understand

45:45

if you look at Douglas

45:47

Murray or Ben Shapiro or

45:49

even Rogan or whoever and you

45:51

go well, they're able to do it and you go.

45:53

Yeah, but it comes more easily Well, actually I don't

45:55

know in in all truth. I don't know and this

45:57

is the point that I'm making but If

46:01

you people please the number one on me

46:03

people please the number two does that it's

46:05

like it's like the skinny guy that

46:07

manages to get muscular you go wow look

46:09

at what you had to overcome in

46:11

order to be able to give this

46:13

lukewarm pushback against the person yeah something

46:15

tells me. That ben Shapiro's

46:17

cringy meter when he makes somebody else

46:19

in a debate or discussion feel uncomfortable

46:21

is not as high per tuned as

46:23

mine yours might be sure and that's

46:25

the same as this well think about

46:27

either day look okay so you don't

46:29

know how much work that had

46:32

to go through in order to be able

46:34

to feel okay they might have had to

46:36

do fucking a thousand sessions

46:38

of meditate yeah and gone to.

46:41

Peru and done a ton of ayahuasca or

46:43

maybe they cried themselves to sleep right on

46:45

you don't know just because someone comes out

46:47

the other side looking okay doesn't mean that

46:49

they didn't go through some bullshit and that

46:52

and look it's fine if you want to

46:54

be mean and be a bully but don't

46:56

act compassionate also that's what bugs me about

46:58

it too. I completely agree

47:00

like you're putting someone through hell like i

47:02

know a couple guys who went through it and jesus

47:05

they're like different people now they know the president

47:07

goes in and comes out looking older like that.

47:10

You know that night terrors and therapy and

47:12

all this shit and i think

47:15

it's like a biological thing where

47:17

when you're outside the group. You

47:19

know this is where all social

47:21

creatures when you're outside the group

47:23

and outcast it fucked with

47:25

you it almost feels you're dying or something

47:27

it's like this panic attack he feeling very

47:29

stressful yeah so i think that's a lot

47:31

of hard on somebody. There was

47:34

a conversation i had with robert

47:36

suppose key is this evolutionary biologist

47:38

guy and he was teaching

47:40

me about epigenetics i thought epigenetics was total

47:42

dog shit i thought it was like the

47:45

god of the gaps for behavioral genetics basically.

47:48

Life circumstances can change your genome

47:50

not just change the way that

47:52

you feel your memories they can

47:54

actually impact you on a genetic level and

47:56

that can be passed down. Now you get paralyzed

47:58

because the like ancestral trauma. and

48:00

stuff here, but there was a

48:03

study done on pregnant women who

48:05

entered poverty during their pregnancy. That's

48:07

interesting. Poverty is a very reliable

48:09

stressor. It's a very reliable way

48:11

to make you... It's

48:16

really ruthless because being in poverty takes up

48:18

so much of your mental stress. Yes, yes.

48:20

Getting out of poverty becomes more difficult. It's

48:22

a really vicious, but a catch-22 trap. They

48:27

were able to show genetic changes

48:29

in the kids. Here's the wild

48:32

thing. When

48:34

your grandmother was pregnant with your

48:36

mother, the egg

48:38

that was going to make you was

48:40

inside of your grandmother. Because when a

48:43

female baby is born, they're born with all

48:45

of the eggs that they will have for

48:47

the entirety of their life. So at one

48:49

point, there was grandmother, mother,

48:52

and egg that would make you all

48:54

inside of the same person. Jesus

48:57

Christ! Anyone else hard? This is a lot

48:59

going on here, man! Boy,

49:05

the human body, it is wacky. It

49:07

is, but my point being the stress

49:09

that people go through, and you're totally

49:11

right, those photos of Barack Obama... Yeah!

49:14

You know, because he went in and you

49:17

look at someone like Joe Biden or Trump, and you're like,

49:19

he's not exactly looking his best.

49:23

He was all going in. Whereas

49:26

Barack was just sort of sprightly,

49:28

handsome, dude, going in, and

49:31

then he comes out and he's very line-faced, and the

49:33

gray hair is very... And some

49:35

guys just cross that threshold in any case. Like me and

49:37

you have got a little of the gray coming in on

49:39

the old beard. But, yeah, I

49:42

think just giving people

49:44

a bit more grace... And I find this

49:46

in myself as well, you know, playing the...

49:49

Making a judgment about someone, making a very quick call

49:51

about, oh, well, that's because they're a bad person, or

49:53

that's because they're untrustworthy, whatever. I'm like, hang on a

49:55

second, you don't know anything about them. Yeah.

49:58

But you've seen this small thing in your... You're arguing

50:01

for people to give more leeway. Both of us

50:03

today have been saying, Oh, why don't we try

50:05

and just, you know, see the best in people

50:08

as best we can. And maybe we even need

50:10

to do that with the ones that are trying

50:12

to push the narrative. You know, Schultz taught me

50:14

about how he thinks internally it's not coordination. It's

50:16

cowardice. Just people scared of losing their jobs. Yeah.

50:19

People don't believe that. And you think, well, cowardice

50:21

is pretty bad and it's caused a lot of

50:23

evil shit to happen. Sure. But still like, uh,

50:25

yeah, just slowing down, slowing

50:27

it all down and being a little bit more

50:30

forgiving to be able. But

50:32

we, we do look to like

50:34

the outlandish brash people kind

50:36

of like Muhammad Ali, you know, in the

50:38

sixties, like I'm the greatest I'm the girl

50:40

kill anybody. And you're, you're sitting there in

50:43

your little house as a kid going like,

50:45

whoa, you're not supposed to be that arrogant

50:47

and he's doing it. And he's a, he's

50:49

a killer out there in the ring. So

50:51

I think comedy has that where

50:53

it's like, holy shit, Tim Jones just said that.

50:55

You're not supposed to say those things. Oh my

50:57

God. And it's fun. Richard

50:59

Pryor was the king of that or George

51:01

Carlin. How so? Well, prior, prior

51:04

was so, uh, revolutionary because like you

51:06

had Cosby, you had flip Wilson, you

51:08

had mom's Mabley, but he was out

51:10

there like, I'm going to say the

51:12

real shit. I'm not going to walk

51:14

the line. I'm going to make fun of whitey. I'm

51:16

going to say the N word a bunch and

51:19

he's smoking and he's dirty. And

51:21

then Carlin was like, what's up with this? What's

51:23

up with that? Uh, he made

51:25

fun of the man, the establishment, and

51:28

that's what, what was fun about it. And they

51:30

got pushed back, but now we have the internet so

51:32

you can get pushed back right to your door, whereas

51:35

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53:08

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53:12

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53:17

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53:19

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53:27

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53:29

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53:38

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53:42

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53:45

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53:47

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53:55

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53:57

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53:59

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the intervention. Notably, we find that

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both permanent and temporary deplatforming reduce

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54:11

to map the effectiveness of content moderation

54:13

interventions driving platform governance away from speculation.

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We got some hard and fast

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data, 63% on Google and 43% on

54:20

Wikipedia from deplatforming. That

54:23

sucks for those influencers who are part of this

54:25

test. They're like, great, now I'm fucked because you

54:27

had to run a test on me. I think

54:29

that it was they looked at existing deplatforming events.

54:31

I see. So you're Alex Jones's,

54:33

you're Milo Yiannopoulos, you're Tates or whatever would have been

54:36

looked at. I've

54:38

never understood the whole, oh, it's

54:40

a Streisand effect. You know, it makes

54:43

people more- Yeah, sometimes though. But it's

54:45

very, I mean, Shane is, I'm

54:47

trying to think- Kanye. He

54:49

was already huge before, but Chappelle already huge before. So

54:52

yeah, you kind of have to have a base. And

54:54

you have this leeway as well. And it's all

54:56

about optics. You know, I think that Kanye

54:59

is in an interesting position because he genuinely

55:01

doesn't care. He doesn't seem to

55:03

care. And then, Jesus, God damn it, I missed.

55:05

I was watching the Super Bowl. I even texted

55:07

you during it. But

55:09

I missed the

55:11

Kanye advert. Yeah, yeah,

55:14

it was awesome. I only saw it after

55:16

the event. Yeah, just him on the phone.

55:18

Hey, I spent seven billion bucks, buy my

55:21

album. Thank you. So good. And

55:23

it worked. He made millions on

55:25

it. Yeah, but so he kind

55:27

of doesn't care, as he's evident

55:29

by his handheld Super Bowl, vertically

55:32

shot Super Bowl advert. And then

55:35

Chappelle and Shane have

55:37

got this, like, it's, you know, they

55:39

gift people joy in a way. Yeah. And

55:42

I know, I feel like you guys, I said

55:45

this ages ago, that I feel like everyone should

55:47

do stand up once so that they always have

55:49

the ability to say, Hey, I'm just a comedian.

55:51

They've just got that as a get out of

55:53

jail free card. Well, my

55:55

thing is, look, you can hate the comic, you can

55:57

hate the message the guy has to say or the

55:59

girl has said. But like why does it have to

56:01

go away like why the d platforming why can't you

56:03

just go that's not for me? you know

56:05

when you're on campus and they're doing like a

56:09

you know a trans drum circle for Climate

56:12

change you go all right. I'm

56:15

not going to that. I'm going to get drunk But you're not

56:17

gonna go we got to shut this down And that's

56:19

the part that bugs me is like why

56:21

the shutting down that's so that's so trumpian

56:24

all these people Hey, trump are very dictator

56:26

II you know same like defund the police

56:28

people tend to make a lot of rules Also,

56:31

so I'm like you're just policing everything. It's

56:34

very mirrored I saw

56:36

this a house just around the

56:38

corner from where I live that's got defund the police

56:40

sign in the front garden and every single morning I

56:42

see this and a Private

56:45

security sticker in the front window. Yeah, they every

56:47

single time that I walk past it I think

56:49

like is this a joke we need a word

56:51

for that like the the climate change activist Who's

56:53

on the private jet to give his lectures about

56:55

climate change? You know the the

56:58

Republican senator who's like God hates fags But

57:00

he's blowing a guy and the rest stop

57:03

you know there's this over compensation of like

57:05

you got to do this I'm not doing that

57:07

well you got it so the the closest

57:09

thing is the luxury beliefs. Oh Dill

57:12

so a friend Rob Henderson's repopularized

57:15

this it's not his original

57:17

invention, but he says luxury

57:19

beliefs are beliefs

57:22

Held by the upper classes that bestow

57:24

status on them, but incur costs on

57:26

people of oh, that's good

57:28

Yeah, and so defund the police is a perfect

57:31

example of this another one. That's kind of obvious

57:33

is Two parent

57:35

households who have no advantage or getting

57:37

married has no advantage for raising a

57:39

child So you look at

57:41

the number of college graduates and people in

57:43

the upper echelons of society almost all of

57:46

them are married in monogamous relationships with a

57:48

classic nuclear family setup and The

57:51

lower classes that may believe this particular narrative that's

57:54

pushed by them are the ones that suffer in

57:56

the same way as you behind your gated

57:58

community tweeting yeah we really need

58:01

to you know the police are racist and we don't we

58:03

would they shouldn't be there and all the rest of it

58:05

like you but you're not a. Black

58:07

guy from inner city chicago exactly i

58:09

know it looks good on paper like

58:11

i'm in california they're doing a thing

58:13

where they're lowering test standards for black

58:16

kids cuz they're having trouble in school

58:18

and i'm like i guess that's nice cuz

58:21

moral past. What you're fucking

58:23

them in the future like isn't that

58:25

way worse there's a huge problem in

58:27

illinois at the moment in the schooling

58:29

system some huge percentage of kids

58:31

can't read a grade level and then they finish.

58:34

High school and they get out and it's

58:37

just there's nothing that they finish like k

58:39

through twelve day of math ability is way

58:41

behind why they should be reading comprehension is

58:43

way behind whether should be you think. What

58:46

are you learning i know doing i

58:48

know it's scary and you find the role

58:51

in fryer no all

58:53

this is right up your anal baby this is this

58:55

is chris all day long. I

58:58

don't get too much into it but he's

59:00

a harvard guy harvard professor

59:03

very like the youngest black

59:06

professor at harvard to get tenure or whatever

59:08

you call it i don't know brilliant guy.

59:11

From the hood black i made it to

59:13

harvard did it wrote a bunch of

59:15

books the steam everybody loves him. He

59:18

started doing studies on police and black. You

59:22

know crime and all that and he came

59:24

out with a study that is

59:26

actually way less black death from police

59:28

than we think and they're

59:30

not actually going after black people as much as we

59:33

think they are this is his study. He

59:35

couldn't believe the numbers because of you know because we've been

59:37

hearing for years and years so he did it he did

59:39

it for a year with eight. Interns

59:41

working under him. He could

59:43

believe the number so he said let's do another year and

59:46

do it again with eight different people just to make

59:48

sure we got it and it came out the same

59:51

way. And everybody harvard like don't

59:53

put this out it'll ruin you which goes back

59:55

to what i was saying about how i'm

59:57

okay with the bullshit but at least let me

59:59

acknowledge. They don't even want you to

1:00:01

acknowledge it, you know? So he's like, I'm putting this out.

1:00:04

This is data. It's facts. They're like, it doesn't look good.

1:00:06

Don't put it out. They tried to

1:00:08

get him fired. They tried to ruin him. They tried to beat two of

1:00:10

them. They tried all these things. He beat everything

1:00:12

and he put it out, and now he has

1:00:14

an armed guard with him all day

1:00:16

long because he's getting death threats. So

1:00:19

he's got his kid at the grocery store with a

1:00:21

fucking security guard. And

1:00:23

the irony of like, hey, I'm just saying it's not

1:00:25

as bad out there for black people as we think,

1:00:27

to saying that to now needing protection from a cop. I

1:00:31

mean, the whole thing's wacky, and I'm not saying

1:00:33

he's right or wrong, folks. Don't come after me.

1:00:35

I'm just saying this is happening

1:00:37

in America right now, and it's fascinating.

1:00:41

That's wild. I've got a friend, Carol

1:00:43

Hoven, who wrote a book

1:00:45

about testosterone, and when she

1:00:47

did Rogan's show, she cried,

1:00:49

I think, four times. Whoa. When

1:00:52

she did my show, she cried at least three times.

1:00:55

Jesus. We went for breakfast in Austin. I

1:00:57

think she cried twice at breakfast. What? She's

1:01:00

just a very emotional lady. It looks great. It's

1:01:02

in like joy and sadness and stuff too, and like

1:01:05

she'll start talking about her son and

1:01:07

immediately start welling up her little loves

1:01:09

her son. Anyway, she talks

1:01:12

about biological differences between men and

1:01:14

women. By Z, she was at Harvard.

1:01:17

She had, I think it was one

1:01:19

of the most popular courses of

1:01:22

undergraduates in psychology. I think

1:01:24

it's like some insane number. It might have been

1:01:26

500 people that attended

1:01:28

this particular course that she did.

1:01:30

Really interesting course. After

1:01:34

she did the Rogan thing, and then the book came

1:01:36

out, and then she maybe posted a couple of things

1:01:38

as well, none of

1:01:40

her teaching assistants were prepared to work with her.

1:01:44

These are post-grads usually doing a

1:01:46

PhD or something, and they'll be part

1:01:48

of some lab, but you need your

1:01:50

TAs. You need the teaching

1:01:52

assistants. It's an ass. Sorry,

1:01:55

sorry. TA. I'm

1:01:58

listening. You need the... that

1:02:00

to help you because you have

1:02:02

a huge class in marking work and they

1:02:04

kind of assist during the lecturing. I've got

1:02:06

a few friends in Austin here that work

1:02:08

as TAs for their professors, the head of

1:02:10

their labs and shit. And that's

1:02:12

like soft cancer. She

1:02:15

was being pushed out. Yeah. How

1:02:17

can you do your course if no one will work with you? Of course. And

1:02:19

then there wasn't back up from the dean and there wasn't the rest of it

1:02:22

and she's out now. She's out being pushed out.

1:02:24

I'm pretty sure she had tenure. Which

1:02:27

is supposed to be the protection that she made. And

1:02:30

then she was part of this Bill Ackman thing,

1:02:33

you know, where he called out Claudine Gaye, Robin

1:02:35

Goldie, a couple of months ago. But the weird thing there,

1:02:38

and I spoke to her about this, she

1:02:40

was basically used as a very fortunate

1:02:42

political football. Yeah. She kicked

1:02:44

around. See how perfect, this

1:02:46

shows that the woke mob

1:02:48

are trying to push people out that say

1:02:51

things that aren't egregious and no one, this

1:02:53

is something I haven't really thought of before,

1:02:56

no one considered what she wanted as a

1:02:58

part of this. So she's already lost a

1:03:00

job. Good point. But

1:03:02

just because she's a very, same as Shane,

1:03:04

like Shane strikes me as a large,

1:03:08

ruddy, robust guy. Yeah.

1:03:11

And you using him as an example of somebody who

1:03:13

went through difficulty with SNL to then sort of come

1:03:15

out the other side of it. I

1:03:18

don't, I don't feel that he's

1:03:20

taking that as, oh, you know, you've retriggered

1:03:22

my PTSD from this awful incident that occurred

1:03:24

to me five years ago. He didn't crack me. But

1:03:26

the woman that cried five times on a podcast, maybe

1:03:29

does. Yeah, right. This is, you know,

1:03:32

again, Do we care about people's feelings or not? Yes.

1:03:35

It just comes back to trying to give people a bit more grace. Yes.

1:03:38

There you go. It's, we shouldn't be boiled

1:03:40

down to this one, one tweet

1:03:43

or one thing we said, or one joke

1:03:46

we made, or one thing this lady did,

1:03:48

you know, but that's, that's what we do.

1:03:50

And I think we have negativity bias. So

1:03:52

we go, this is the thing. Fuck you.

1:03:55

This is a good idea. And they're like, ah, forget

1:03:57

about that. Forget about it. Shane actually has a great

1:03:59

sketch on a. Ah,

1:04:02

the fucking lounge. The lounge! It's horrible

1:04:04

food. So, uh, Shane has a

1:04:06

great sketch where he's a fireman, he saved a

1:04:08

bunch of people's lives, and the guy's like, wow,

1:04:10

did you just save that whole burning building? You

1:04:12

know, the babies, the women, everything? Yeah, yeah, that

1:04:14

was me. And he goes, uh, looks like I

1:04:16

found some tweets from, uh, last year, and he

1:04:19

says this, this, and that, and you know, it's

1:04:21

gay and whatever. And he's like, oh yeah, why

1:04:23

are you pulling that up? He's like, dude, what are you doing to

1:04:25

me? And it's a nice, it's kind of a nice, uh,

1:04:27

microcosm of what's going on, like, this gotcha shit.

1:04:31

But the guy just saved a building

1:04:33

full of people, so... Not good enough. Sorry,

1:04:35

not good enough. Yeah. But I feel like,

1:04:38

are we talking about this too much? I'm worried that,

1:04:40

uh... No, not at all. So I've got something I

1:04:42

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1:04:44

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1:04:48

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1:04:51

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1:04:53

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1:04:56

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1:04:58

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1:05:00

man who is a baby girl comes across as sweet,

1:05:03

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1:05:05

feminine side, ready to talk about their feelings or carry

1:05:07

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1:05:10

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1:05:12

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1:05:14

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1:05:16

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1:05:18

they consider to be baby girl. This

1:05:20

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1:05:23

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1:05:25

to the Post, and men outside the limelight

1:05:27

are taking note. I think the definition of

1:05:29

what is masculine is changing. The

1:05:32

director of Talkify matchmaking service told the Post, Some

1:05:35

traditional masculine norms are shifting. Masculinity today

1:05:37

is not about being a tough guy,

1:05:39

but about being honest, respectful, protective, and

1:05:42

emotionally expressive. About 31% of

1:05:44

American men have actively changed their behavior to become

1:05:46

more vulnerable and open with people they are

1:05:48

dating, according to Bumble's 2024 dating trends report. Well,

1:05:52

I think this is nothing new. You

1:05:54

know, like Mick Jagger, David Bowie, they

1:05:56

all went through this like, what do

1:05:58

you call that? you're

1:06:01

kind of feminine and masculine. Androgynous. Androgynous.

1:06:05

Androgynous, I think this is, in the 60s,

1:06:07

guys grew their hair long and every dad was

1:06:09

like, you fucking homo, look at these, you get

1:06:12

a haircut, pussy. And I think

1:06:14

that was crazy then, having long hair

1:06:16

or tight pants or whatever. So I

1:06:19

think this is just another swing of

1:06:21

this and masculinity is the norm,

1:06:23

so we gotta go against the norm. And

1:06:25

then eventually baby girl, whatever

1:06:27

will be the norm, and then being masculine will be

1:06:29

weird, so that'll be in. So I think it just,

1:06:32

it all just flips. Everyone's attracted by whatever

1:06:34

looks novel. Yes, that's a better way to,

1:06:36

concise way to say it. I've been, me

1:06:39

and my housemate have been thinking a lot

1:06:41

about things that a bitch, that you don't

1:06:43

realize a bitch. So trying

1:06:45

to pick up a moving ping pong ball. Nah,

1:06:48

that's a great one. Very bitch.

1:06:51

Starting a stopped bicycle. Oh

1:06:55

yeah, that kind of awkward. Oh,

1:06:58

I got one. You know when you close the door and

1:07:00

it doesn't close the car door, it doesn't latch all the

1:07:02

way and you gotta give her that booty bump. I

1:07:05

hate the booty bump, but you gotta do it. These

1:07:08

are great, this could be like a TikTok

1:07:11

running series. Wearing as

1:07:13

a man, wearing a towel wrapped

1:07:15

around your upper chest rather than

1:07:17

wrapped around your waist. Oh,

1:07:19

I got another one. Standing like this is

1:07:22

very masculine, but if you just rotate

1:07:24

it like that, it's so much

1:07:26

gear. What is

1:07:28

that? It's just the same hand, same

1:07:30

hip, but if you flip it, you

1:07:32

look so much more feminine. Doing that

1:07:34

thing when you wash your hands. Oh

1:07:36

yeah. You look into the finger from

1:07:38

behind. Yeah. That's pretty bitch.

1:07:42

Turning, he has, Zach has one, which

1:07:44

is turning around ever. So if

1:07:46

you walk past the entrance to somewhere, you're going

1:07:48

around the block and coming back in, because if

1:07:50

you go and then turn

1:07:53

around, that's pretty bitch. That's

1:07:55

good. He had one at

1:07:57

dinner the other evening, which we would, sat

1:07:59

down. outside and the receipt blew off the front of

1:08:02

the table. And we've been talking about things that a

1:08:04

bitch that you don't realize a bitch for six

1:08:06

months now. This is gold. We've accumulated this huge, big,

1:08:09

long list. I could go for the rest of the

1:08:11

podcast. And I was watching it and we hadn't come

1:08:13

up with chasing a receipt blown in the wind. And

1:08:16

I was watching it happen and sure enough, the wind picked

1:08:18

up and as he sort of, you know, you bend over

1:08:20

and you that, and then it

1:08:22

goes away again. And I was, and he came

1:08:24

back over and he went, this is adding, this

1:08:26

is being added to the list. Isn't it? That's

1:08:29

a great one. Getting added to the list. I

1:08:31

would say applying chapstick can be pretty bad. Eating

1:08:33

a banana. Banana, classic. Oh, a heavy door. You

1:08:35

have a door where you're like, ah,

1:08:38

it takes all the manly confidence out of you when

1:08:40

the door's too heavy. Sleeping

1:08:43

in a blanket with your arms all the

1:08:45

way under, as opposed to having your arms

1:08:47

out. Interesting. That's pretty bitch.

1:08:49

I'm holding a coffee mug with

1:08:51

both hands. Yes. That's

1:08:53

a great one. Massively bitch. My

1:08:58

wife, she says, if I see a guy

1:09:00

with flip flops, the vagina is

1:09:02

just, just sewn

1:09:04

up. Like the, those ones. The tong. It's the

1:09:06

idea of that thing between the toe that really

1:09:08

freaks her out. She's like, it slides. I'll do

1:09:11

a slide, but the tong is

1:09:13

what gets you. Which is interesting because Crocs

1:09:15

are obviously the most sexually arousing type of

1:09:17

footwear that are, that are available. You know

1:09:19

what? My favorite thing about Crocs are that,

1:09:21

that flap, that little ankle holder. Yeah. If

1:09:24

you put that up, it's called sport mode.

1:09:26

Yeah. Which to me is like, what are

1:09:28

we getting? No, that's spot. This is did

1:09:30

that that look. Sport. What are you

1:09:32

going to go run a mile with that? You're going to

1:09:34

play football. Someone's there is a

1:09:37

croc marathon. Come on.

1:09:39

Record. Really? Yep. There's a croc mile

1:09:41

and there's a croc marathon record. People can go and look

1:09:43

this up online. I will. Yeah. I'm

1:09:45

sure it's a elite athlete. Yeah. Well, I look,

1:09:47

I think that, um, Oh, do you know what

1:09:49

the beer mile is? We don't know. Okay. Well,

1:09:51

I think it's technically called the chunder mile, but,

1:09:54

um, you do, I think

1:09:56

four laps of a 400 meter track. Which

1:10:00

would be one point six k i think that's a

1:10:02

mile and one point six maybe that you start tiny

1:10:04

behind the line of something to absolutely nail it and

1:10:07

at the beginning of each. Mile

1:10:11

the beginning of each lap you drink

1:10:13

a bottle of beer i think i may be

1:10:15

to point i think it's a pint of beer

1:10:17

so it's four points and four

1:10:20

laps of a running track one mile. And

1:10:23

this is a very prestigious in the running

1:10:25

world super prestigious record super like the

1:10:27

guy that wins it is an entire channel that's that's

1:10:29

committed to it and they track all of the things

1:10:31

and there's people that and they've got you know tactics

1:10:34

for how they're going to drink and it's not just

1:10:36

your ability to run it your ability to not

1:10:38

run and not throw up and it's called the chunder mile

1:10:41

because as soon as everybody finishes. You

1:10:44

all pint two liters of beer just

1:10:46

comes back out i love it and

1:10:48

i have fun it's like highly held

1:10:51

really should be televised this is way

1:10:53

more way better than pickleball. I

1:10:57

think i do love pickleball i adore

1:10:59

pickleball they do problem is it's

1:11:02

the it's got the highest disparity between

1:11:04

how fun it is to watch. Yeah

1:11:07

how fun it is to play great

1:11:09

point the road you know more boring

1:11:11

sport to watch it's like scissoring. Way

1:11:14

more fun to do watching

1:11:16

scissoring i love but

1:11:18

yeah you're right and i was a pickleball like

1:11:20

covid could it swept the nation and old people

1:11:22

love it and that people are scared of it

1:11:25

if you played padel we tried

1:11:27

that no that all yet padel whatever

1:11:29

i don't know i. I'm

1:11:31

around some people that are european and they call it but

1:11:33

i think that maybe padel something different to paddle i don't

1:11:35

know anyway i tried to play it. Over

1:11:38

the way in miami and

1:11:40

i've decided that pickleball

1:11:43

is tennis for all people yeah and

1:11:45

padel is tennis for rich people because

1:11:47

it's all everyone that's there has got

1:11:50

some got it nice Rolex

1:11:52

on and everyone's like it i don't know

1:11:54

it's just it was very strange spot and

1:11:56

i'm all for pickleball and i think the

1:11:58

padel can go fuck itself. Okay,

1:12:00

okay. Yeah, pickleball to me is so perfect. I

1:12:02

don't want to try anything different

1:12:04

because I love it. Do you play indoors

1:12:06

or outdoors? Oh, you must be playing indoors in

1:12:09

New York. New York, mostly indoors, but there's a

1:12:11

basketball court two blocks away from my house and

1:12:13

it's just been... The basketball's over.

1:12:15

It's all pickleball. It's a bunch of yuppies out

1:12:17

there with little nets going at it. I would

1:12:19

love to see street ball

1:12:21

New York players coming up

1:12:23

against iced soy frappe.

1:12:26

Right, right. It's

1:12:28

total gentrification of sports. Of

1:12:31

the sport. Yeah. Yeah, it

1:12:33

used to be like this gritty kind of, yeah,

1:12:35

like real basketball court with like street

1:12:37

guys. That's a great skit. If you

1:12:39

did a... Yeah. It's the pickleball gentrification.

1:12:41

It's got nothing to do with the

1:12:44

number of Starbucks that you've got or whether or

1:12:46

not there's a Chipotle. Yeah. That's when you know

1:12:49

that someone's been fully gentrified when there's a Chipotle.

1:12:51

True. And then it would just

1:12:53

be through pickleball. All that

1:12:55

you would do is find different courts to put

1:12:58

pickleball in and that would sort it out. Yeah,

1:13:00

I grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood and

1:13:02

I used to skateboard. Back when skateboarding was like,

1:13:04

it was like a grungy white guy thing in

1:13:06

the 90s. Now it's all

1:13:08

over the place, which is great. But we

1:13:10

built a skate park and it

1:13:13

happened to be next to a basketball court and

1:13:15

we came back one day and it was burned down. And it

1:13:17

was kind of like this racial thing like, hey, don't

1:13:20

take our basketball court. Yeah,

1:13:23

it was heavy. New Orleans is hardcore. It really

1:13:25

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modern wisdom. That's

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drinklmnt.com slash modern

1:14:36

wisdom. I've seen videos of you

1:14:38

shredding. Treading.

1:14:41

Treading, that's what. Oh, shredding, yeah,

1:14:43

yeah. Yeah, really? Yeah, I was

1:14:45

pretty good. I'm an old queef

1:14:47

now, I can't, I'm crackly and

1:14:49

stiff, but I was pretty good in the

1:14:51

day. That's all I did, all day, every

1:14:54

day. Wow. Very similar to stand-up, a

1:14:56

lot of parallels. Have you tried wake

1:14:58

surfing? No. That's

1:15:00

fun. What's that? So, wakeboarding is the one where

1:15:02

you're quite far behind the boat and you're kind

1:15:04

of strapped into this thing and that's when they

1:15:06

do the crazy flip. Yeah. And it's

1:15:08

super fast, it's usually maybe 25, 30 miles an hour. Fun,

1:15:13

but also if you wipe out at 20 or 30

1:15:15

miles an hour, you feel it and you're attached to

1:15:17

this board thing. Wake surfing is

1:15:19

much slower, it's like 11 miles an hour, and

1:15:22

you're actually surfing up and down, carving up and

1:15:24

down the wake that's made by the boat. So,

1:15:27

I've seen people, it's whether, as far as

1:15:29

from me to the wall, behind a boat, and they're kind

1:15:31

of- With a rope. With

1:15:33

a rope, but then you let go of the

1:15:36

rope. Oh, okay. Because the boat makes a particular

1:15:38

shape wake behind it. If

1:15:40

you're goofy, then you can have it on

1:15:42

the other, the boats can usually switch sides.

1:15:44

Got it. So, it can make a smooth

1:15:46

arc. And I did that,

1:15:48

I've been doing that pretty obsessively for two years

1:15:50

since I've been here. Really? Yeah, but I didn't

1:15:53

have the background in

1:15:55

skating. And my friend, Alex

1:15:57

O'Connor, who is a- Philosophy

1:16:00

theology hyper-nerd debate ben Shapiro and

1:16:02

Jordan Peterson and all of that guy.

1:16:05

Yeah, he's great. He's phenomenal Doesn't

1:16:08

strike you as someone that would be a

1:16:10

master of physicality But he

1:16:12

had this background in skateboarding and I'd been trying

1:16:14

so for ages It's a year ago when he

1:16:16

came out he wore a suit to a boat

1:16:19

party and it's like the

1:16:21

true philosopher. Yeah, Anna First

1:16:23

time that he gets pulled along on the rope

1:16:25

stands up. No problem Wow, so there is a

1:16:29

skill set I think inside of people that did

1:16:32

Skateboarding as a kid or some sort

1:16:34

of balance sure dance probably other stuff

1:16:38

put a ball in a Paddle

1:16:40

or a bat in my hand. I'm laughing but

1:16:43

balance sports. It's very hot. Yeah I

1:16:45

think there's two kinds of people the people

1:16:47

who want to go Straightforward like skiing and

1:16:49

then the people want to go sideways like

1:16:51

surfing or snowboarding and I'm a sideways guy

1:16:53

all day long I snowboard. I don't like

1:16:56

being straight up. It's it freaks me out

1:16:59

Is that weird? I don't know. I Saw

1:17:02

a video of the first time that

1:17:04

snowboarding was introduced to the slopes of

1:17:06

America. Mm-hmm and all of these sort

1:17:08

of old granola

1:17:11

grizzled Ski guys

1:17:13

that were running the slopes

1:17:15

or whatever We're saying that

1:17:17

they're like missiles and they're super dangerous and

1:17:19

they wouldn't let them on the lift The

1:17:21

lifties wouldn't let them on so they had

1:17:24

to trek up and then they'd find some

1:17:27

unprotected part of the mountain and they'd snowboard

1:17:29

down but yeah, they saw it as this

1:17:31

is a travesty Yeah, the old of snow

1:17:33

sports and this is only in the the

1:17:35

80s I think see that's how I go

1:17:37

whenever something's new it's attacked Yes

1:17:40

But it everything the car was

1:17:42

attacked, you know Like anything new that comes

1:17:44

out people will go at it and they

1:17:46

say this is horrible Like the the self-driving

1:17:48

cars are coming, you know, but

1:17:50

like that's crazy They're gonna run people over blah

1:17:52

blah, but I'm like they're coming. There's a pretty

1:17:54

good amount of evidence I think even now with

1:17:56

the data sets that they're playing with and the

1:17:59

level of sophistication which is obviously going to

1:18:01

get better as there's more training sets. It's

1:18:03

way, even now, way

1:18:06

safer than a human driver. Like the risk

1:18:09

profile is lower. But there's something strange about

1:18:13

if you're in an accident that

1:18:15

happens because of a person, I wonder,

1:18:20

I'm trying to work out whether there's something more reassuring

1:18:22

about putting your life in the hands of other people

1:18:24

and yourself or outsourcing it to

1:18:26

an algorithm. Yeah. If you were in

1:18:28

a crash that crippled yourself, would

1:18:32

it be easier to deal with? Good point. Then

1:18:34

because of some bug in a computer code or

1:18:36

the fact that it was a weirdly shaped cone

1:18:38

and it caused it to sweat off the road.

1:18:40

Oh my God, that is scary. Now

1:18:43

you're suing a corporation

1:18:46

instead of you're

1:18:48

getting mad at yourself. Yes. I wonder,

1:18:52

I really don't know what the

1:18:54

humans, I guess it's going to change person to person, but

1:18:56

on average, I don't know how people feel about that. I

1:18:58

don't know if they would feel more comfortable being

1:19:01

injured by their own hand or surviving

1:19:03

at the behest of an AI. Yeah.

1:19:05

Ooh, that's dark. I

1:19:08

guess I'd rather myself, but

1:19:11

that's no good either. That's a lose-lose.

1:19:13

Yeah. Well, that was, that Cat Williams thing

1:19:15

was that he said was interesting. Like in

1:19:17

the future, you'll, there's no police

1:19:20

chase because the car will just be

1:19:22

tuned into the internet or satellites or

1:19:24

whatever. So if you're in a

1:19:26

getaway, the car will

1:19:28

just stop and the cops will get

1:19:31

you. The dude who lives across the

1:19:33

street from me, his insurance for his

1:19:35

Tesla is organized by Tesla. I didn't

1:19:37

realize that you could go full stack

1:19:39

manufacturer and, uh, insurance company,

1:19:42

but the problem is that Tesla has access

1:19:44

to the metrics, diagnostics that

1:19:46

come out of his car and they know

1:19:48

how close he drives to the cars in

1:19:50

front. They know how fast he accelerates and

1:19:53

breaks. And his insurance premiums are higher because

1:19:55

of his, uh, more dangerous driving style. There

1:19:57

you go. That's why I'd never.

1:19:59

I've never heard this story. I think that's not broken on the internet.

1:20:02

I know. But yeah, if you get your car

1:20:04

insurance through Tesla because they know the

1:20:06

metrics and the diagnostics of how you drive, and they've got

1:20:08

the whizzing around thing to see

1:20:11

how close you are to other cars, they know how close

1:20:13

you came to an accident every single time you need to

1:20:15

get there. Oh, I don't like that. I don't like that

1:20:17

information out there. I

1:20:19

have a 1973 BMW with crank windows

1:20:22

and a stick shift. Like,

1:20:24

if you don't buckle up, it doesn't go boop, boop,

1:20:26

boop, boop. It's all

1:20:28

analog, and I love that. I

1:20:31

like cash. I'm not one of these

1:20:33

libertarian off-the-grid, but I do

1:20:35

like a little bit of leave me

1:20:37

alone. You don't want

1:20:39

to be dialed in like these people pay for everything

1:20:41

with their phone. All that shit is a paper trail.

1:20:45

I don't like it. It makes me nervous. Who

1:20:47

connected? Speaking about the

1:20:50

shit from the past, I found a job

1:20:53

advert for Ernest Shackleton. So Ernest

1:20:56

Shackleton was the British explorer who

1:20:58

first went across

1:21:00

the Antarctic on foot, unsupported.

1:21:04

So he needed a crew, I think it

1:21:06

was about between 18 and

1:21:08

25 people went with him.

1:21:10

There was a stowaway, actually, which is pretty

1:21:12

interesting. There's a great book by Alfred

1:21:14

Lansing called Endurance, which was the name of the ship.

1:21:17

And they leave in 1914. And

1:21:19

they actually were due to leave the day

1:21:22

after World War One was announced, and they

1:21:24

sent a message to the King asking

1:21:26

whether or not he still wanted them to go. They were all men

1:21:29

of military age with military experience, and you

1:21:31

know, they were rough fighting

1:21:33

robust dudes. And they said, look, if you don't want

1:21:35

us to do this thing, even though we've been planning

1:21:37

it for ages, we're not going to go. And he

1:21:39

sent back like, crack on, we'll beat

1:21:42

the Germans on our own. But he

1:21:44

put a job advert out, and it's

1:21:46

one of the best job job adverts

1:21:48

I've ever heard. It says, men

1:21:51

wanted for hazardous journey,

1:21:53

low wages, bitter cold, long

1:21:55

hours of complete darkness, safe

1:21:57

return, doubtful, honour and recognition.

1:22:00

In inventive success. Wow. I

1:22:02

love that. So cool. Yeah

1:22:04

now and who are the guys who read that and

1:22:06

go this is me I don't either was He

1:22:09

was way oversubscribed really that's kind of gives me

1:22:11

hope. I mean, what year are we talking? 1914

1:22:14

that would have been probably 1912. Well, you

1:22:16

gotta think back then like you ever seen the movie 1917 Yes,

1:22:19

but the World War one and the British

1:22:22

one only got like five cuts in the

1:22:24

entire. Yes. Yes Amazing movie but they show

1:22:26

these kids and they're like hell. Yeah, I'm

1:22:28

signing up for war. What else are we

1:22:30

doing? We work in a mill. I'm homeless.

1:22:32

I'm toothless. I'm a chimney sweep I'm a

1:22:34

you know, just a Oliver Twist

1:22:36

limey, you know loser kid So they all signed

1:22:39

up because they had nothing else going on, you

1:22:41

know And I think that there's probably a lot

1:22:43

of that back then too like adventure. Hell. Yeah,

1:22:45

I work in a factory Yeah, so

1:22:47

I think we're missing that. Yeah, I think

1:22:49

so well, there's just so many other things

1:22:51

that people can do of course convenience and

1:22:53

comfort and distraction and entertainment and all the

1:22:55

rest of it there was a Tick-tock

1:22:59

that was put up that I saw by

1:23:01

a girl that said something like you're going

1:23:03

to make me a little girl

1:23:05

go to war I'm

1:23:07

sat here eating cereal in my pajamas

1:23:09

for the third time today Oh, I

1:23:12

think you know, you wouldn't be

1:23:14

sending that 21 year old girl off to war

1:23:16

no matter what. Yeah, the Sense

1:23:19

the subtext is there are other things

1:23:21

that I can do with my time

1:23:23

to entertain me Mm-hmm. Whereas men wanted

1:23:25

for hazardous journey the low wages bitter

1:23:27

cold long hours of complete darkness safe

1:23:30

return doubtful honor and recognition In event

1:23:32

of success someone to go. Well, I

1:23:34

mean the alternative is to just stay

1:23:36

here in Leicester. Yeah Manchester

1:23:39

or something. Yes. So I think we

1:23:41

need to teach people sometimes you should

1:23:43

go towards the discomfort Instead of just

1:23:45

all everything is comfort like uber

1:23:48

eats Netflix and chill tinder You

1:23:50

don't have to approach the girl. You can just tender her.

1:23:52

Everything is getting more moiled more

1:23:54

and more dialed into Less

1:23:57

effort and ease and I

1:23:59

think that Well fuck us if it

1:24:01

hasn't already. There's a website called

1:24:03

spurious correlations It's one of

1:24:06

the best things that I found so this

1:24:08

guy is tracking Thousands and

1:24:10

thousands of different metrics. I mean

1:24:12

looking for correlations between the two

1:24:14

of them I like that. So

1:24:16

the total rainfall in San Francisco

1:24:19

Correlates with the number of printing press

1:24:21

operators in Rhode Island for some reason

1:24:24

whoa The

1:24:26

number of people who die by drowning

1:24:28

in backyard pools and the total volume

1:24:30

of Nicolas Cage movies released in a

1:24:32

single Year are the same Wow That's

1:24:35

wild. So just because he's US

1:24:38

bottled water consumption per person and

1:24:40

the solar power generated in the Sudan

1:24:43

like very I mean they affect each other this

1:24:45

is Wow super strongly correlated.

1:24:47

It's like a time travel shit. You step

1:24:49

on a roach in an 1801 and it

1:24:51

affects Yeah, there

1:24:54

you go. Yeah, the number of movies Nicolas

1:24:56

Cage appeared in and votes for the libertarian

1:24:58

presidential candidate in Georgia Like and it's a

1:25:00

dude. That's a tight fucking correlation that Wow

1:25:04

That's a you know, there's that study that men

1:25:06

who kissed their wives before going to work getting

1:25:08

less car accidents No way back.

1:25:10

Yeah, so there's all this this is this

1:25:12

is cool stuff. Yeah, I love shit like

1:25:14

that There was a really great story in

1:25:18

Matthew Walker's book why we sleep talking

1:25:20

about the impact

1:25:22

of low sleep on surgeons and doctors

1:25:24

that work in hospitals and I

1:25:28

can't remember what the shift called. It's like a triple

1:25:30

shift or a night special night shift

1:25:32

or something and they're awake for this

1:25:34

insane amount of time and the

1:25:37

percentage of Surgeons and doctors who do

1:25:39

these shifts and then get in car

1:25:41

accidents and a redelivered back to the

1:25:44

same hospital where they would To

1:25:46

get looked after right the

1:25:49

same thing happens around daylight

1:25:51

savings So when we lose an hour

1:25:54

The number of heart attacks, I think increase or strokes

1:25:56

or something increases by 25% and

1:25:58

so the road accident. Whoa Same thing is

1:26:00

decreased on the other side when you just give people

1:26:03

an hour more sleep. Right.

1:26:05

And they tested this with

1:26:07

college or high school students

1:26:10

in a particular town, and they

1:26:12

allowed their, I think instead

1:26:14

of getting into class at 9am or 8.30am, it was 10.30am. And

1:26:19

the total road traffic accidents in

1:26:21

the entire city went down by

1:26:23

a statistically significant amount. Jesus. Teenagers

1:26:25

have a later go

1:26:28

to bed and get up time. Sure. For

1:26:31

the parents of teenagers, you

1:26:33

don't have some dysfunctional broken child.

1:26:35

It's just that's the way that their body clocks

1:26:37

tend to operate, that the matter is staying up

1:26:40

late and getting up late. But

1:26:42

yeah, the impact of that sort of stuff

1:26:44

is amazing. I love it. When

1:26:46

Uber came out, cities lost so much money

1:26:49

because DUIs went way down. DUIs bringing a

1:26:51

ton of income to the city, you know,

1:26:53

with legal fees and police and whatever. So

1:26:56

yeah, everything correlates. It's all connected,

1:26:59

baby. The great magnates. That's

1:27:01

cool. Yeah, I am. So I've got

1:27:04

my car. No, I did it. Good for

1:27:06

you. Thank you. Right side of the road. Yeah.

1:27:08

Well, whatever. I'll get used to it. But

1:27:11

I still, I've managed to

1:27:13

habituate using Uber so much. Yeah. But

1:27:15

there's still time where I'm like, I'm

1:27:18

just gonna, to think that you

1:27:20

can get from where you are to where

1:27:22

you need to be for 15 bucks. I

1:27:24

know. With a driver that arrives at your house when

1:27:27

you want him there, and then he'll drop you off

1:27:29

exactly where you need to be. And you're pretty safe.

1:27:31

And if there's a problem, you can call an SOS

1:27:33

thing and you know exactly how long it's. There's

1:27:35

no parking. It's like a hooker. You just, you

1:27:38

leave, you know, there's no attachment. That's the best

1:27:40

part of a hooker and Uber is it just,

1:27:42

it's over. We're done here.

1:27:44

Have You ever used the comfort

1:27:46

thing on Uber and then you

1:27:48

get to select your preferred temperature

1:27:50

and your amount of conversation? No.

1:27:52

So, you know, this UberX, Uber

1:27:55

priority, Uber comfort, XL, blah, blah,

1:27:57

blah, blah, black and all this

1:27:59

stuff. And I'm. One

1:28:01

of them is comfort and if you select

1:28:04

comfort in certain cities, you can select the

1:28:06

temperature. And. The our conversation.

1:28:08

I love the effort. Because.

1:28:10

I mean let's be honest, we've all gotten that

1:28:12

over and it's like crazy loud music and the

1:28:14

guy seat his way back and you're like this

1:28:16

sucks the those guys are crazy B O Be

1:28:19

ours is beyond their to by the way we're

1:28:21

going to do music and conversation. The. Odorants

1:28:23

should be part of that, but yeah, I know

1:28:25

that some of is over. There are a little

1:28:27

more brazen the you know what the shit they'd

1:28:29

they get away with? Have you ever got in

1:28:31

one where someone's had? I'd have a friend of

1:28:34

their partner with them. Now have never

1:28:36

seen that as hilarious and a bunch of

1:28:38

times haven't in London. A couple of times

1:28:40

to meet someone says they're like hanging out

1:28:42

with the wife of go really whatever or

1:28:44

ledger in the front seat net is like

1:28:46

nattering away and you just sort of join

1:28:48

this show. Yeah believe a taser Africa will

1:28:50

have to hurt him to where you end

1:28:52

up ads while the over gets a little

1:28:54

too comfortable sometimes. But is it an amazing

1:28:56

we live without Over. Like the fact that

1:28:59

louder hold your i'm forty the of so

1:29:01

like getting a cab was an issue that

1:29:03

was a i'm from New Orleans so it.

1:29:05

Like a yellow cab on the street like

1:29:07

New York area hail it it was like

1:29:10

call the company set up a time praying

1:29:12

to God they show up the a flight

1:29:14

to make That's insane that that we live

1:29:16

like that now I over eight times a

1:29:19

day. Yeah it's phenomenal and I understand that.

1:29:22

There. Was. Problems. And pushback

1:29:24

from taxi driver people because yeah taking

1:29:26

over but it's so much bet is

1:29:28

so much for taxis fucked up they

1:29:30

got to too comfortable young they thought

1:29:32

the they had it all sorted out.

1:29:34

yeah I am. I. Really love.

1:29:37

Really? Really love Uba idea to like.

1:29:39

I'd go to sleep. My friend's house and

1:29:41

my parents were like I did. he come

1:29:43

get me and they're like ah yeah okay.

1:29:46

Knowledge. Is really goober as so

1:29:48

easy as a in a beeper

1:29:50

part of spain so. The

1:29:53

way the Spanish taxis work. Yellow.

1:29:55

Cause at night they have a little. Thing.

1:29:57

on the top a of if it's bacon it's great

1:30:00

and if it's taken it's read or

1:30:02

off and the number of

1:30:04

times when I spent I went to a

1:30:06

beater like 30 times and you're doing the

1:30:08

Ibiza now you're that guy I did it

1:30:10

I did it you can't say Ibiza it's

1:30:14

Ibiza is it a th it is

1:30:16

for us okay

1:30:18

okay zed yeah I forgot look

1:30:20

it's it's we're trying to anglicize

1:30:22

everything taken over the country one

1:30:25

mispronounced good point country at a

1:30:27

time the

1:30:29

amount of time that I've spent looking down

1:30:31

a road waiting for a car with a

1:30:33

green light to come on at some horrific

1:30:35

after-party exactly coming down from a concoction of

1:30:37

mystery drug right and just thinking I really

1:30:39

really want and then if I'd had an

1:30:41

Uber I'd have been in bed there you

1:30:43

go in bed staring at the ceiling hating

1:30:45

myself speaking of red light green light can

1:30:47

I throw a fun nugget at you yeah

1:30:50

this is why I'm obsessed with YouTube because shit

1:30:52

just pops up there's

1:30:55

a town and there's a town called

1:30:57

Syracuse New York it's a real shitbox

1:30:59

that used to be like a booming

1:31:01

metropolis with like you know manufacturing and

1:31:03

that all went overseas so the town's

1:31:05

kind of fucked but there's an Irish

1:31:07

neighborhood the only one in the

1:31:09

country has a stoplight only one

1:31:11

of the country that's the green light is

1:31:13

on the top and the

1:31:15

red light is on the bottom why

1:31:17

because the Irish immigrants who moved

1:31:20

there in 19 whatever

1:31:23

didn't like the British red being

1:31:25

above the Irish green

1:31:28

well they flipped it like a couple of street

1:31:30

tufts just went in overnight and flipped it and

1:31:32

it's the only one in America like that and

1:31:34

it's still like that still like that yeah

1:31:37

so that just shows people are people

1:31:39

are serious about their ideologies I forgot to teach

1:31:42

you about this thing I learned about poor

1:31:44

sleep quality is linked to self-defeating

1:31:47

humor and profanity oh my god

1:31:49

and you me I was gonna

1:31:51

say this explains the entire comedy

1:31:53

world and a novel explanation into

1:31:55

the intricate ways our physical states impact our

1:31:57

use of words researchers have discovered a fascinating

1:32:00

link between poor sleep quality and

1:32:02

an increased use of specific types

1:32:04

of arousing language, namely humor and

1:32:06

curse words. The study published in

1:32:08

Current Psychology explains that those experiencing

1:32:10

poor sleep quality may be more

1:32:12

inclined to use arousing forms of

1:32:14

language as a physiological mechanism to

1:32:16

counteract feelings of tiredness. So

1:32:18

they make themselves a target of jokes. That's

1:32:21

more common, more commonly reported

1:32:23

among participants that experience more sleep

1:32:25

problems, noticeable relationship between sleep quality

1:32:27

and the frequency of curse word

1:32:30

usage. Wow,

1:32:32

that's pretty good. See, these correlations

1:32:34

are great. Yeah, well this one's

1:32:36

actually, this isn't spurious. This is

1:32:38

studied, not spurious. But I think,

1:32:41

especially being British, there's a problem, Americans have

1:32:43

a problem with you peppering

1:32:46

a sentence with swear words.

1:32:49

Daniel Sloss has a fantastic bit about

1:32:51

this. He's good. Where he's pretending

1:32:53

to play the drums and each different part

1:32:55

of the drum is a swear word. And

1:32:58

he says, Scottish people, it just sort

1:33:00

of falls out of you very, very quickly. Whereas

1:33:03

with Americans, you are,

1:33:06

apart from maybe the comedy world,

1:33:08

much more sort of uptight around profanity.

1:33:10

There's still a big concern.

1:33:12

I mean, I use the C word on

1:33:15

my... Wow, it's a different thing here. It's

1:33:18

normal in England. Yeah, here it's

1:33:20

heavy duty. Yeah, it's a real

1:33:22

weapon of mass destruction. Yeah, there's

1:33:24

no other acceptable, unacceptable, more

1:33:27

unacceptable, acceptable word. After

1:33:30

that, you're on to the N word. Exactly.

1:33:32

You're in the real no man's land territory.

1:33:34

Yeah, you call a woman a c*** and

1:33:37

it's fight words. Yeah, it's game on. You

1:33:39

call your friends that in the UK. Yeah.

1:33:43

So yeah, just learning, recentering

1:33:45

the scope of my linguistic

1:33:47

usage and realizing what was a N and what

1:33:49

was a route and what I can say and

1:33:51

what I can't say. Yeah, yeah, we

1:33:54

do the F word a lot. It's

1:33:56

all a buffer. It's all like, I'm trying to

1:33:58

think of something. What's the

1:34:00

name of that fucking drink you sell?

1:34:02

And it's not good and it's comics use

1:34:04

it too much. The problem now

1:34:06

is the word like. This

1:34:08

is like an American epidemic. This is a real

1:34:10

problem. You watch like Gen Z and all these

1:34:13

people, everything is like, you

1:34:15

know, you watch Candace Owens or something

1:34:17

go yell at a college kid. And

1:34:19

they're going, well, like you said, like

1:34:21

you were eating. And it's like, no,

1:34:24

not like she was eating, she was

1:34:26

eating. But they fill it with like,

1:34:28

and it's so fucking frustrating. You sound

1:34:30

dumber. It bleeds into everything. I had

1:34:32

a really great conversation two years

1:34:34

ago with a linguistic analysis lady

1:34:37

and she was explaining what's going on here.

1:34:39

And they're referred to as filler words. Yes.

1:34:42

So, found this out, this is fantastic. So, um

1:34:45

and uh are two different use

1:34:47

cases. People will um and

1:34:49

uh at different times. Uh

1:34:52

is knowing what they need to say,

1:34:54

but searching for the word. Okay.

1:34:56

More commonly. Um is

1:34:59

trying to work out the direction that they

1:35:01

actually want to talk in. The reason being,

1:35:03

if you were to just open your mouth

1:35:05

and make a noise of talking, what you

1:35:07

end up with is something like, like

1:35:10

it's that. It's just the noise of, you

1:35:14

use a MacBook and it's got that spinning wheel. It's

1:35:17

the spinning colored wheel of linguistics. The Mitch

1:35:19

McConnell. We call it. There

1:35:21

you go. Yeah. Perfect.

1:35:25

That's, it's a holding pattern. And

1:35:28

like has come in to say,

1:35:31

it is something approximating this. Yes.

1:35:33

That thing that I'm about to say. That's what like is. But

1:35:36

it's also been used as a filler word

1:35:38

and it's taken up both of those. Yeah. Which

1:35:40

is why the frequencies increase so much. Great,

1:35:42

great point. Yeah, because it is

1:35:44

a useful word. This tastes like chicken. Yes.

1:35:47

So now we're going, okay, it's similar to chicken. Correct. But

1:35:49

everything has become, I was reading like

1:35:51

a book. No, you were

1:35:54

reading a book. You were reading the Quran. Like

1:35:56

just say the book. But

1:35:58

it's just a filler. Yeah. It's a

1:36:00

filler and it's a... The

1:36:02

other thing is... Here's a second swearing

1:36:05

study that I thought was brilliant. Repeating

1:36:07

the F-word can improve threshold for

1:36:10

pain. I've heard that. During an

1:36:12

ice water challenge, recent study found

1:36:14

that repeating the F-word during an

1:36:16

ice water experiment increased subject's tolerance

1:36:18

and threshold for pain. However, reciting

1:36:21

made-up swear words showed no such

1:36:23

pain-reducing effect. Numerous studies have

1:36:25

shown that the use of swear words can strengthen

1:36:27

pain tolerance during an ice water experiment. UK

1:36:30

researchers Stevens and Robertson set out to

1:36:32

explore the mechanism behind this pain-relieving effect

1:36:34

in a unique way. Team of specialists

1:36:36

invented two new swear words with properties

1:36:38

similar to known curse words. They then

1:36:40

tested the invented words on a cold

1:36:42

presser experiment to see whether they would

1:36:45

mimic the pain-reducing effect of known swear

1:36:47

words. One theory suggests that the swearing

1:36:49

produces analgesic effect through autonomic arousal caused

1:36:51

by increased emotion. So you're basically distracting

1:36:53

yourself from what you're feeling by increasing

1:36:55

the emotion inside of you. It's like

1:36:57

getting angry and then punching something. To

1:37:00

explore this idea, researchers chose the made-up

1:37:02

swear word, fauch. Ah,

1:37:05

selected for a fauch. Yeah, what

1:37:07

a fauch. Yeah, selected for its

1:37:10

emotion-provoking potential. Another theory suggests that

1:37:12

swearing alleviates the pain by distracting

1:37:15

attention away from the painful event.

1:37:17

Researchers accordingly chose the second made-up

1:37:19

curse word, twiz pipe, for

1:37:22

its potential to evoke distraction

1:37:24

through humor. So fauch and

1:37:26

twiz pipe don't work as well as just screaming

1:37:28

the f-word if you're in pain. That makes sense,

1:37:30

but twiz pipe sounds like a slur

1:37:33

for British people. Doesn't

1:37:35