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1:51

you went, you know, they'd be like, oh, just just

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Welcome to monster talk. The science show about

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monsters. I'm Blake Smith. And

3:04

I'm Karen Stoltzner.

3:06

A few weeks ago, I visited Savannah, Georgia

3:08

with my family and it got me and Karen

3:10

to talking about what some have claimed to

3:12

be the most haunted city in America.

3:16

We joke about that unverifiable claim,

3:18

but it sounds a fun chat about some really interesting

3:20

and beautiful historic buildings and sites

3:22

right here in home state of Georgia. I'm

3:25

gonna put links to these places in the show notes

3:27

and I may be making another monster

3:29

theme road trip in the not too distant future

3:31

to investigate a local BC. And

3:34

if I do, you'll hear about it here. I just

3:36

resurrected my horror podcast and I

3:38

discussed another part of our trip where I visited

3:41

some shooting locations for Luchio

3:43

Folci's City of the Living Dead. which

3:45

was filmed in the Savannah area in nineteen eighty.

3:47

I'll put a link to that in the show notes as well. It's on

3:49

Patreon, but it's free if you want to check it out.

3:51

Alright. Let's get to the Mooms drew

3:53

door. This is

3:55

this is we're gonna be talking today

3:58

about AAA fun place

4:00

that I like to go. I don't get to go

4:02

as often as I like, but it's it's a

4:04

the place I've been too many times.

4:05

I've only been there once, and that

4:08

was back in two thousand and eight.

4:10

So did we mention that we were talking about

4:12

Savannah?

4:12

Georgia. Savannah, Georgia.

4:15

So, yeah, we're gonna be

4:18

talking about history and hauntings in

4:20

Savannah, Georgia. And The

4:22

first time I went there first and only

4:24

time was in two thousand and eight, and that was

4:26

right after we met at Dragoncon.

4:29

that year.

4:29

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So

4:31

basically, we've just been holding off on this

4:34

till the time was right. Good work, which

4:38

We had

4:38

another one up our sleeves, I

4:40

guess. But the reason I was

4:42

there in two thousand and eight was that

4:44

I was visiting with a friend of

4:47

mine. He met her. She's now

4:49

sadly passed Michelle.

4:51

And she

4:51

used to live in Macon. Oh,

4:53

yeah. I

4:55

had just talked about wanting to go to Savannah

4:58

because of all of the ghost stories.

5:00

And so we made the trip together. So

5:02

it was a very fun

5:04

trip. And this is just really exciting to be able

5:06

to

5:07

finally talk about this. And

5:09

you were there recently, weren't

5:10

you? Yeah. Just a few weeks back. Yep.

5:13

Absolutely. In fact, at

5:15

the weekend of the big hurricane hitting

5:17

Florida, because everybody was concerned

5:19

that the hurricane was gonna hit Savannah. So

5:21

The streets were meaningfully empty.

5:23

Well, I thought we'd start with a

5:26

potted history as we often do

5:28

about Savannah and

5:29

I mean, there's so much

5:32

to talk about when it comes to the history of this

5:34

place that it's got a really rich history.

5:37

But I think if you look

5:39

up the history online,

5:41

you'd think that Savannah's history just goes

5:43

back to seventeen

5:44

thirty three. It's

5:47

like all the textbooks say when they

5:49

talk about General James O'Gle Thorpe,

5:51

and he landed on a cliff along

5:54

the Savannah River. with a hundred

5:56

and twenty passengers of the

5:58

good ship in.

5:59

But the

6:01

Yamacrol people were actually there first on

6:03

the site of President Day Savannah.

6:05

So as the story

6:08

goes, upon arrival,

6:10

general Oglefeld negotiated with

6:12

the head chief of the Yamacrol

6:14

people. It was Thomas Chichy,

6:17

and the Yamacrol people agreed to

6:19

move their village upriver. So,

6:21

Oakloth named the Colony, Georgia, and

6:24

that was after England's King

6:26

George the second. So, the

6:28

plan, their plan was to

6:30

offer a new start for England's poor.

6:32

So kind of along the same lines of

6:35

the colonization of Australia.

6:37

and to also strengthen

6:40

the colonies by increasing trade.

6:42

So when we start

6:44

talking about trade, we're getting into

6:47

territory where we're talking about enslavement,

6:50

unfortunately.

6:50

And originally, it

6:53

was forbidden in Georgia, but then

6:55

after ended independence

6:58

was secured from the British rule, enslavement

7:00

was then legalized, and that

7:02

continued through, obviously, until the

7:04

end of the civil war.

7:06

So Savannah was really known for

7:08

its cotton and rice plantations,

7:11

and the city became very

7:14

wealthy for some people

7:16

and not others.

7:17

the And

7:18

Savannah is really interesting because it's known

7:20

as America's first planned city. There's

7:22

a grid system for streets beautiful

7:25

public squares and parks. I

7:27

think most of them that were originally

7:29

created are still around too. And

7:31

the city became very well known for lavish

7:33

homes and churches. But

7:35

the city has had a lot of misfortune as

7:38

well. It's been beset by fires

7:40

and hurricanes and epidemics. And

7:43

back in eighteen twenty, there was an outbreak of

7:45

yellow fever that killed one tenth

7:47

of the population? You know,

7:49

it's as a major city in

7:51

the state. It is interesting that

7:54

of

7:54

all the stuff it suffered, it

7:57

was not burnt to the ground by

7:59

Sherman during the civil war. He for

8:01

some reason, he spared Savannah and

8:03

there's there's a lot of legends about why

8:06

among them was that it

8:08

was too beautiful to burn, which

8:10

I find a ludicrous But

8:13

another intriguing one is that, basically,

8:16

he made it he was a Mason and he made

8:18

deals with other Mason's who were in Savannah. All

8:20

that seemed suspicious to me. I I

8:22

bet there were some other reason some tactical

8:24

reason why he didn't put it to the

8:26

torch, but in place, sir?

8:28

Yeah. It's it's an interesting place,

8:30

though. To to it's one of the few places Georgia's seed

8:32

buildings that are older than

8:35

eighteen sixty five. Like, Atlanta,

8:37

you won't really find much here. You

8:39

were older than eighteen sixty five because it was

8:41

just a pile of ash.

8:42

Right. But I I heard that Sherman gave

8:44

it to Lincoln as a Christmas

8:46

gift. So that well, that is

8:49

certainly the famous message that

8:51

was sent. Yeah. Yeah.

8:52

but it is just a spectacular

8:55

city. And

8:55

it's one of the country's most popular

8:57

vacation spots

8:58

too. It's a beautiful, low

9:00

slung the city. There's not a lot of

9:02

tall buildings there. I think the tallest

9:04

building was a is

9:06

an apartment complex that was built to,

9:09

like, deal with the the poor and the

9:11

elderly. And then I think it's only

9:13

twenty stories, Tasha. Is and I don't know

9:15

if that's it's probably, I'm just guessing

9:17

that it's because of, like, the nature

9:19

of the bedrock or whatever. But I

9:21

know some old cities where they have a lot

9:23

of low buildings don't want people to build

9:25

high rises because it breaks the the, you

9:27

know, the sort of historic feel of the

9:29

place. DC is like shit, you know.

9:31

So don't know. It but it is it is

9:33

gorgeous. There there's a lot of big old oak

9:35

trees with Spanish moss

9:37

hanging down. It looks very gothic.

9:39

but you don't wanna

9:39

touch because of the chiggers. Would

9:42

I I had

9:44

not heard that. I I didn't wanna touch it just because

9:46

I didn't wanna I don't know. It looks creepy,

9:48

but Yeah. It doesn't grow

9:50

right here. So it just when it's one of

9:52

the signs that you've reached the the real

9:54

south is when you start seeing the Spanish moth hang moth

9:57

hanging. Sure.

9:57

And I just remember my friend, Shell,

10:00

telling me that it was full of these little

10:02

mites. Yeah. And it's beautiful and you

10:04

wanna touch it and it looks like

10:06

SpiderWeb almost, and but no.

10:08

Apparently, it would make

10:10

you very

10:10

cheap. That's interesting. Interesting. Yeah. No.

10:13

I Chickers are definitely real. They're a

10:15

real kind of pest down

10:17

here. And when I was a kid and used to actually go

10:19

outside, you know, you'd get them they'd

10:21

bite your legs and it was unpleasant.

10:23

So Getting itchy. Like, you know Yeah.

10:25

Yeah. Yeah. I was just sorry. Talking about these

10:28

things. But with

10:30

with the city, with that much old architecture,

10:32

though, invariably, it's gonna have old buildings

10:34

with old stories.

10:36

Yes. Yeah. All the beautiful

10:38

architecture and beautiful gardens

10:40

and southern cuisine, and I

10:42

always think of the southern hospice tality as

10:44

well, and of course, ghosts.

10:46

Of

10:46

course. When

10:48

I went there in two thousand and eight, I went

10:50

on a ghost tour of the historic

10:52

district. So I don't know if you

10:54

ended up doing the ghost

10:55

too. I have still never taken one of the fish and

10:57

there's several out there, and they've got,

10:59

you know, ones that are on the backs of wagons

11:02

and you know, little -- Yes. --

11:04

gas powered trolleys. And it's a

11:06

big part of the city is these walking tours

11:08

and and driving tours of ghostly

11:10

stuff and historic things. And a

11:12

huge industry. Yeah. But

11:13

when I was there, unfortunately,

11:16

I had picked up the

11:17

concorde So I was feeling

11:19

pretty crooked, let's say, in Australia, but I

11:21

did my best to enjoy it. And it

11:23

was just so much to see there. So I

11:25

thought

11:25

we'd look at some of the

11:28

places that I went to on the tour, and

11:30

you could talk about some of the places that you've

11:32

been to as well. Absolutely.

11:33

So I thought

11:35

the first

11:36

place we'd talk about is the Hamilton Turner

11:38

Inn, and that was built in eighteen seventy

11:40

three. And it

11:41

featured in the movie

11:44

midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.

11:46

So

11:46

I'm

11:46

not sure if you've read that book. I know you'd seen the

11:48

movie. I

11:48

had seen the movie. I'm not read the book. Yeah.

11:51

The

11:51

book's by John Baron, I

11:53

believe. Yeah. commence his name and the

11:55

film's by Clint Ace Wood.

11:57

Which

11:57

is why I was disappointed. I think I thought

11:59

there was gonna be more citement in the film

12:01

just because, you know, I

12:04

wasn't aware of how much of Clint Eastwood's

12:06

stuff is actually just, you know, drama.

12:08

I yeah. I

12:08

watched it recently. just to get

12:10

in the feel of Savannah again not having

12:12

been there for a time. And I

12:14

enjoyed it. I I thought there's

12:16

a a lot a lot to it.

12:18

Probably deserves a second

12:20

viewing, I think. Probably so. All I remember

12:22

is the guy walking the invisible dog.

12:24

That's Patrick.

12:26

Yeah. So

12:29

right at the start. Yeah. I knew I was in retreat

12:31

from that

12:32

point. It's

12:34

a town full of characters. It reminds me

12:36

of New Orleans in a lot of ways. Yes.

12:38

Absolutely. The voodoo, voodoo,

12:41

are a lot of similarities. architecture and

12:43

ghosts.

12:43

And ghosts?

12:45

So with the Hamilton

12:47

Turner Home, it's also

12:49

rumored that it was the early inspiration

12:51

behind Disney's haunted

12:54

mansion? Well, it certainly

12:55

looks like a Victorian fantasy

12:57

place. I mean, it does it's just gorgeous

13:00

but the architecture is is

13:03

classic Victorian style. Mhmm.

13:05

It's really, really gorgeous. It's a beautiful

13:08

Truly, it's Not to

13:10

be confused with the Queen Anne style, which is

13:12

all the towers and stuff.

13:14

It's a little different from that, but it it we

13:16

could probably put shit links in the show notes to

13:18

these places. So Yeah.

13:19

Definitely, we will. But I wanna let you know

13:22

that the Hamilton Turnip Inn is

13:24

the most haunted place in Savannah.

13:26

Oh,

13:28

so book early's, which is, you know Yeah.

13:31

Yeah. Yeah. I'm

13:33

sure all the rooms that are the most haunted, but

13:35

Anyway, so there are lots

13:37

of reports that people have made a paranormal

13:40

activity, and these

13:42

places

13:42

have pretty much all appeared on ghost

13:45

adventure those

13:47

hunters, all of the shows, they've all done the

13:49

rounds. And certainly, they appear

13:51

on all of the the tours in Savannah.

13:53

but there are lots of claims

13:55

of ghostly activity. People

13:58

claim that they hear the

13:59

ghostly sounds of children's laughter

14:02

and gilead balls rolling around on

14:04

the upper floors. Interesting.

14:06

And a civil war

14:09

soldier walks through the halls at night.

14:11

and occasionally wakes the guests by knocking on their

14:13

doors too. And there's

14:15

also sightings

14:16

of a cigar smoking man on the

14:18

roof.

14:20

Wow.

14:21

So those are the claims associated

14:23

with that place. And I didn't

14:25

get the time to

14:27

do a pull investigation of the place.

14:29

But certainly with some of these places, a

14:31

lot of the stories have debunked

14:33

and be being debunked and we can get

14:36

into that. a

14:36

little bit Yeah. I I've never, you know,

14:39

been above it, but the roof does it look to be

14:41

pretty flat up there. So it's certainly

14:43

not implausible so we can get up there and walk

14:45

around. You know? a

14:46

real life person, live person.

14:48

Yeah. Yeah.

14:49

I mean, obviously, girls can go anywhere. I don't

14:51

I I didn't mean to imply that girls couldn't

14:53

get breakfast like that. was

14:56

by music. I think it's nice that if it

14:58

is a ghost that is, you know, respecting the

15:01

whole don't smoke inside and run others'

15:03

rule, you know.

15:04

Well, Again, that's southern hospitality.

15:07

Very gentile. But

15:09

speaking of midnight in the garden of good

15:11

and evil, thought we'd

15:12

next talk about Bonaventure cemetery now.

15:15

she's been there. I

15:15

have been there. Yep.

15:18

Mhmm.

15:18

Isn't it just good

15:19

Again, lots of people

15:22

sprawling oaks with lots and

15:24

lots of Spanish moss and

15:26

Oh, yeah.

15:26

That hundreds of years old. Yeah.

15:28

Apparently

15:28

even Oscar Wilde once in once

15:31

visited there and he called the place incomparable.

15:33

Wow. That's

15:35

that's nice. I didn't know he'd been there. That's

15:38

cool. Yeah. Yeah.

15:40

He ended up in a nice cemetery

15:42

himself. He went to Oh,

15:43

hear the shades. Yes.

15:45

Exactly. Yes. Yeah.

15:46

And I have

15:48

written about BonneVential cemetery before

15:50

for an article for CSI,

15:53

which is still available

15:55

online for my old web column. And

15:57

I do compare the two cemeteries. I think there

15:59

are some

15:59

similarities. Me too. Yeah. Yeah.

16:02

But

16:02

people might know this cemetery from the

16:05

cover of the book because

16:07

it features a sculpture known as bird

16:09

girl.

16:09

Yes. With the little her hands holding out

16:11

to the side with two bird watering

16:14

places like

16:16

plate?

16:17

Something. But she's no longer there.

16:20

So

16:20

No. She's been moved to Savannah's

16:23

Museum of Art because I

16:26

just became such a sensation

16:29

when the book came out and people just wanted

16:31

to visit her and I think that there'd been

16:33

some damage to her nose as well.

16:35

So, yeah, they ended up

16:36

moving that sculpture. From

16:38

it showsdale The Savannah sphinx

16:41

with Yeah. Yeah. But it's

16:43

sad though. Yeah. So

16:44

She is said to be haunted by

16:46

the spirit of Lorraine, who was the little girl

16:49

who posed for the artist. What's

16:52

the ghosts? And Bonhoeffer

16:54

is a private or was originally a

16:56

private cemetery that was built in

16:58

the mid eighteen

17:00

hundreds, and then it was made public in the

17:02

early nineteen hundreds. And I've always been fascinated

17:04

by that. You go to Louisiana, and you've

17:06

got all these family cemeteries,

17:09

private cemeteries. I've just never

17:11

seen anything like that in Australia. I don't know if

17:13

that's something found around the US

17:15

or if it's just in the

17:15

There are No. family cemeteries

17:18

around here, you know, I'm I'm in North Georgia,

17:20

sort of North Central Georgia. And

17:22

it's not unusual to find family plots

17:25

or small churches

17:27

would build cemeteries, and then the church

17:29

would disappear, but the

17:31

cemetery remains there's one

17:33

of those near my hometown and they're currently doing

17:35

this massive development.

17:37

And then there's this weird

17:39

island where they've leveled all the land, but they

17:41

couldn't level the semi a cemetery. So it's

17:43

like this strange, almost

17:45

like a almost like a

17:47

a mound, but it's just an elevated

17:49

cemetery that they couldn't touch so

17:51

they just built around it. So yeah. It's it's not a company.

17:53

There's a a there's a shopping

17:56

center near me where the they

17:59

filmed So Willie's Wonderland

18:01

with Nick Cage, which I thought was a

18:03

surprisingly fun film. And

18:05

behind that is another one

18:07

of those it's just like a there used to

18:09

be a church there. The church is gone. The how and

18:12

entire shopping developments built around it.

18:14

And buried in the middle, literally,

18:17

is a is a complete cemetery with a

18:19

fence around it. And yeah. It's

18:21

just so strange. Yeah. But there there's a lot

18:23

of that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it makes me

18:24

think of the Winchester Mystery House too just

18:27

surrounded by Silicon Valley. we'll

18:28

be coming back to that because one of the other

18:31

places in here has some strong

18:34

connections there. Yeah.

18:35

Yeah. Yeah. So moving

18:38

on, The cemetery is

18:40

located beside the Wilmington River,

18:42

so it's just east of Savannah. And I've

18:44

had that there are occasionally

18:48

alligators scene lounging around there. So I don't know if

18:50

that's true or if I was just being close-up. I

18:52

mean, it

18:52

could be. It could be Australian. Yeah. Yeah.

18:54

I mean, I know there's places, like, if

18:56

you go towards Southern Georgia, there's

18:59

definitely gators. Like, I've I've been

19:01

to visit a friend and

19:03

I had I took back roads and I had to,

19:05

like, stop while this I

19:07

don't know how big it was. You know, it's one of those things as

19:09

a as a alleged monster hunter. I

19:11

should have taken a photo. I should

19:13

have done something. But instead, I just sort of sit there

19:15

in awe as this ginormous alligator

19:18

across the road at its

19:20

leisurely pace. Yeah. Incredible.

19:23

And certainly,

19:23

yeah, they're in Florida and the Iberglades.

19:26

tons of the ground.

19:27

Yeah. Quite literally.

19:29

Yeah. Mhmm. But the the

19:30

cemetery has a lot of famous inhabitants

19:34

including Georgia's first governor, Edward

19:37

Telfair, and lots

19:37

of military generals and,

19:40

I

19:40

think, musicians and authors, but

19:42

probably the most famous inhabitant is

19:45

little greasy Watson.

19:47

Oh. I

19:47

don't I don't think you've heard of her before. I

19:50

have not. So

19:50

she was the daughter of WJ in

19:53

Francis Watson, and they

19:55

managed a hotel that's no longer

19:57

there, the Pulaski hotel.

19:59

It's now

19:59

demolished. It was on Johnson Square, which makes

20:02

me think of Jackson Square. I think there are lots of

20:04

similarities again. And

20:04

I think Pulaski was general in

20:07

I'm guessing the revolutionary war. But

20:09

there's a fort Pulaski. There's a fort

20:11

down there named after him that you can go tour as

20:13

well. Interesting. So yeah. Okay. So

20:16

little girl died when she was only six years

20:19

old of pneumonia in

20:21

eighteen eighty nine. So very

20:23

sad story. and her parents were

20:25

heartbroken and they had a life-sized sculpture

20:28

commissioned for her grave marker. So

20:30

that's one of those really

20:32

iconic famous graves

20:36

graves gravesites in the cemetery. But

20:38

people claim that they see

20:40

her spirit running around the cemetery. and

20:43

that's her

20:43

statue cries real tears

20:46

as well. And very

20:48

sadly,

20:48

people leave toys for her

20:50

at Christmas and on her birthday

20:53

and so, yeah, there's a lot of

20:55

lore surrounding her and

20:57

I think general, people

21:00

some people believe that

21:01

the angels and cherries and

21:03

other studies come to life there. So I

21:05

I always think that's a fun

21:07

playing. Oh,

21:08

it'd be very it'd be very cool for a

21:10

movie or a fantasy novel or something

21:12

like that. I I know that there's a lot

21:14

of similarities where they have this kind of

21:17

statuary. You get

21:19

folklore around it. We've got

21:21

one here in in Marietta, which is a little

21:23

bit south of me. And there's

21:26

a legend if you go in at midnight that

21:28

one of the statues will come alive and will answer

21:30

your questions for you. That's what so it's the kind of

21:32

things kids will dare each other to, you know, sneak out

21:34

go to the cemetery at midnight just to, you know, go test

21:36

the theory. So Definitely, one of

21:38

those

21:38

legendary tripping things, and I've heard of a lot of

21:40

stories like that. We've talked about them.

21:43

we've talked about them before where people will go

21:45

to the cemetery at midnight where

21:47

something happens. Well And those IP

21:49

is something. I mean,

21:51

clearly, this we've talked about before also how

21:53

this, you know, these old cemeteries date back

21:55

to a time when it was

21:57

part of a movement or at

21:59

least there were movements towards, like, making these, like, green

22:02

spaces for people to go and, you

22:04

know, pick Nick and all sorts of things.

22:06

This one this one feels more like

22:08

a Gothic you know,

22:10

a a horror or romance novel

22:12

or something. It's it's it's the architecture

22:15

and the different kinds of

22:17

stats dairy and the ages of the graves. It just it

22:19

gives you a sense of, you know,

22:21

looming antiquity and, like, the the

22:23

the nature is just just waiting

22:25

for an opportunity to just take this place back and, you

22:27

know, render it to Jungle. It's it's

22:30

it's really cool. Indeed. It's

22:31

very atmospheric. And of course,

22:33

it's the most fun Century in the

22:36

United States.

22:38

That is amazing.

22:40

What a Yes. Along

22:43

with lots of others, but That's

22:45

right. But,

22:46

yeah, it's a beautiful place to

22:48

visit, well worth visiting, and certainly,

22:50

people still go there and picnic and

22:52

go for walks.

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I remember early

25:20

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25:22

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25:24

dads piggyback the tadpoles

25:26

to a water source. For

25:28

me, it was the honey badger. The fact

25:30

that they can take a COBRA snake bite and

25:32

just sleep it off, like it's no big

25:34

deal. It just blew me away.

25:36

Oh, and I developed such a conservation

25:38

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25:40

from O search. He's such a rock

25:42

star in the conservation world, pulling

25:44

those great whites up out of the ocean to do research on them and

25:46

then putting them back in so we can learn about

25:48

where they live and where they breed

25:51

incredible. each

25:52

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25:54

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25:56

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26:12

Well speaking

26:13

of places that make me think

26:15

of New Orleans, Let's talk about our

26:18

next stop. Yes.

26:20

So

26:20

the Marshall House Hotel, so

26:22

that's the place where I stayed back in

26:24

-- Wow. -- two thousand and eight. need.

26:26

Yes. Yes. I must have got

26:27

a good deal on hotels dot com.

26:29

I've been by

26:30

it so many times. I've never been inside it,

26:32

not even to use their bathroom, which is the number one

26:34

reason I go to hotels So

26:39

it's

26:39

one of the oldest hotels in Savannah.

26:42

And

26:42

during the civil

26:43

war, it was a makeshift hospital for

26:45

union soldiers, and then again later during

26:47

epidemics of yellow fever. So we'll see that

26:49

that was actually quite a common theme for places

26:51

to be turned into makeshift hospitals.

26:55

And so there's a story

26:57

that the hotel was restored back

26:59

in the nineteen nineties and workers

27:01

were replacing some damaged floorboards

27:04

downstairs and they found some human remains.

27:06

So there was a big kerfuffle

27:08

from that people thinking, a

27:10

bit of a mood or had taken place, something

27:12

had gone down, but now

27:15

the opinion of historians is that the

27:17

bones were discovered that were discovered

27:19

came from the amputated limbs of

27:21

civil war soldiers. Wow.

27:23

You know,

27:24

now this building is is sort

27:26

of red aged brick with

27:29

green shutters, and then it's got that metal

27:31

grille work outside like, coordinate screen.

27:34

Yeah. Iron Works. Mhmm. And

27:36

it looks so much like it could be on

27:38

any street in New Orleans, especially in the

27:40

French Oh, in the French quarter. Absolutely. Again,

27:43

the French quarter

27:43

and the historic district of Savannah are

27:45

just very, very similar. But is it

27:48

haunted? Of course,

27:49

it's the most haunted place

27:51

in Savannah.

27:54

I did

27:56

not know that.

27:57

So of fun stories

27:59

associated with this place. Now, personally, I didn't

28:02

experience anything when I was there.

28:04

But other people have had all kinds of

28:06

different experiences, lawsuits.

28:08

I would say,

28:09

taps that turn on and off by themselves

28:12

and lights that

28:13

inexplicably flicker electronic

28:16

items that power themselves and toilets suddenly

28:18

overflowing for no apparent reason.

28:21

And the sadder crying babies

28:23

and disembodied voices that

28:25

echo through the holes. I've

28:26

heard, like, a rhythmic

28:29

thumping, like, followed by extensive

28:31

moaning sounds.

28:33

Yeah.

28:38

Not when I was

28:38

there, but yeah. It's

28:42

the worst kind

28:44

of goes. An

28:45

often crowded hotel. Very

28:46

often. Very often. Oh, but,

28:48

yeah, lots of claims of loud noises

28:51

taking place in the morning hours and

28:53

heavy objects crashing to the ground and also

28:55

door knobs to the bedrooms that we go

28:57

as though someone's trying to enter the room. None

28:59

of these

29:00

things sound like something I would want to have

29:02

in my hotel tell if I were luring people there with

29:04

the ghost, III don't wanna have

29:07

anything ghostly happening that's gonna

29:09

actually disturb people's sleep. You

29:11

know? Well,

29:12

It depends on the place

29:14

because I was discussing this with Matt

29:16

and that happened to us while we were

29:18

staying at Myrtle's plantation.

29:20

in

29:20

Saint Francisville, in Louisiana.

29:23

And we had people actually rattling the

29:25

door knobs and trying to get in because the

29:27

whole place was just alive

29:29

with ghost hunters and people who

29:32

throughout the night, I mean, up until about

29:34

six AM, we're doing their conducting

29:36

their little investigations. So

29:39

I think it's a draw card. I mean,

29:40

certainly not for the

29:43

average holiday maker, but

29:45

her

29:45

ghost hunt is absolutely. I mean, this

29:47

is the reason they're

29:48

going there. Yeah. Yeah. But

29:50

yeah. So room three hundred and six

29:53

is especially haunted. There's a

29:55

ghostly cat there, but I've

29:57

often found whatever room

29:59

is

29:59

available that night is

30:00

the the room that's the most haunted.

30:03

Oh,

30:03

yeah. That's a good strategy. Yeah. Very

30:06

very clever, sir. Let's

30:08

move

30:08

on to the next

30:11

place. So the seventeen seventeen

30:14

hundred ninety in

30:16

an

30:16

restaurant. don't

30:18

know

30:18

if you've been there before. I

30:20

know I've driven past it, but

30:22

I I don't I've never been inside

30:25

it. I looked inside it. Like, I looked at the they

30:27

have, like, a pub, it looks like in the basement,

30:29

and it looks quite nice, big old oh,

30:31

there's a lot of places we we

30:33

building. these buildings are old. And if you go

30:35

down and you can see the exposed woodwork and

30:37

the beams, you know, a lot of them are man viewed.

30:39

And so old and select, they almost

30:41

look like a British pub this, you know, three

30:43

hundred years old. They're not, you know they're

30:46

they're they're impressive. Oh,

30:49

yeah. So old for America

30:51

for Exactly. They're they're they're

30:53

it's it's quaint by European standards, but

30:55

by American standards, it's just very awesome.

30:59

Yes. Yes. but

31:00

I I need to tell you that this is the most haunted

31:02

place in Savannah.

31:04

Oh, I

31:06

wish I had done that.

31:10

So the most

31:12

infamous ghost here is the spirit

31:14

of Ann. So people always

31:16

talk about seeing Ann on the top

31:18

floor of the Ann, especially in

31:20

room two hundred and four.

31:23

So we heard this claim a lot before

31:25

too, where there's a a ghost to

31:27

report the guy. who misses with people and

31:29

moves their belongings, maybe steals

31:31

them, or hides them, rearranges

31:33

things, maybe even holds

31:35

up their clothes for them.

31:37

turns down the bed all those kinds of things.

31:39

So Anne is the spirit who's

31:41

doing all of this in in the

31:43

seventeen hundred ninety. in. So

31:46

who was this in? So

31:48

the story goes, her husband went away

31:50

to see and perished.

31:53

and

31:53

she was so distraught

31:54

that she threw herself over the railing of the second

31:56

story balcony. That

31:57

is not very far by the way.

32:00

I'm just gonna

32:01

if you're gonna kill

32:03

yourself and I don't recommend it, I if you

32:05

need help, get help. But second

32:09

story is not very far. That's like leg

32:11

breaking territory. Anyway, go

32:13

ahead. The interesting

32:14

story is I mean,

32:15

this has been debunked a lot. So

32:18

has there

32:18

ever been an end there? Let's look at

32:20

the history of the place. Can we possibly debunk

32:22

that story by by looking at the history?

32:25

There had there were two ands who lived there. The

32:27

first was Anne Weiss, and she lived there during

32:29

the eighteen twenties. But that second

32:32

story back and he wasn't there. at

32:34

that time. So when she

32:36

was living there, and her husband's

32:39

died in

32:39

a horse riding accident.

32:41

So she moved from the house, and she moved in with family,

32:43

somewhere nearby. So she didn't die

32:45

there. So this it wasn't this particular

32:49

and and white. There was a

32:51

second and who lived at two

32:53

and powers, but she lived

32:55

there until she was in her

32:57

late eighteenth, so she existed

32:59

there without any kind of incidents.

33:01

She didn't didn't

33:03

commit suicide. So there isn't a

33:05

record of an Anne who threw so from the balcony

33:07

after her husband would have to see

33:09

and die. But it does make me think

33:11

of those widows

33:12

walks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. On

33:14

a lot of those houses, they are just

33:16

Mid, it seems like the kind of folklore you

33:18

could just look at the place and slap it on there.

33:20

I mean, it's you there's there's plenty of

33:23

stories like that. Anne's

33:25

and I said Nike was, you know, sort of

33:28

nineteenth century name. I don't I don't

33:30

know. But yeah. Yeah. Why

33:33

do these guys keep giving out false

33:35

IDs? So that's what I'd like to know.

33:37

Yeah.

33:37

I yeah. They're just all

33:39

part of

33:40

this their shtick. don't

33:41

trust ghosts,

33:44

you know. So Big bigots.

33:46

Well, yeah. I mean, there are just so many places we

33:48

could talk about, so I thought we'd just try

33:51

to stick to the most

33:52

infamous places. Well, I think yeah. We've

33:54

we only go to the most haunted that can

33:56

only be, like, one or two places. So what else

33:59

you got? Oh, yeah. Three, three,

33:59

or four, or

34:01

five, or six. So

34:03

the

34:03

Quijote House, I don't know if you've

34:05

been there before, but on this

34:07

one. looks really cool. It's more

34:09

brick brick than the others. Yeah. It it's

34:11

exquisite. Just

34:12

gorgeous and that

34:14

was built in eighteen ninety two for the

34:16

Kehoe family, William Kehoe and his family.

34:18

So they lived in a house for a number of years

34:20

and they had lots of children ten.

34:24

twelve children. And sadly, it's known

34:26

that some of the children passed away inside

34:28

of the house. So

34:31

I'm assuming

34:31

that that could have been all of the

34:33

other behavior because it was rampant. Well

34:35

so many times. I mean, I it's

34:37

hard to say. I honestly that if you go to the

34:39

cemeteries like these older cemeteries and just start looking for

34:41

family plots, you'll find so

34:44

many kids that die before

34:46

their one and it's

34:48

just The

34:49

the little lens on there.

34:50

Yeah. It's it's it's

34:53

heartbreaking. But, I mean, The germ theory of

34:55

medicine really has made a big difference

34:57

and inoculations and vaccines and

35:00

antibiotics have saved so

35:02

many children. And

35:04

you're right. It

35:04

could not might not have been, like,

35:06

even necessarily because child mortality rates were

35:08

just so high. That's great. That's why

35:10

you have twelve kids because you'd hope, you know,

35:12

six or seven make it. I mean, it's a

35:14

sad it's true. Sadly. Yep.

35:16

Absolutely. Yep. Yeah.

35:18

Yeah. So the key home house is

35:20

now a b and

35:21

b. And like, apparently, it's the most holds in

35:23

place since about.

35:26

Wow.

35:28

That is that's

35:31

very good to know. Badger

35:34

Bonner. So with children

35:36

having

35:36

passed away in the house too, it's no

35:40

coincidence that the ghosts of children,

35:42

some of the most reported

35:43

ghosts in the house. And there's a

35:45

story that just won't die

35:48

although

35:48

it's being debunked pretty heavily and that is two of the

35:51

Keohoe children got stuck in the

35:53

chimney in the building and

35:55

being

35:55

unable to escape they

35:57

died there. And so

35:59

a

35:59

terrible tragic

36:00

story, but fortunately, there's

36:02

no evidence that this actually happened.

36:05

Yeah.

36:06

That would be pretty terrible.

36:08

These big houses you

36:10

know, they they these houses have

36:12

big chimneys, but not like mean,

36:15

they're not that big. That's pretty crazy.

36:17

That's right. They they would so I

36:20

think potentially something like that could

36:22

happen and story

36:23

goes that the kids went missing

36:25

and she just couldn't find them. And then after a

36:27

while, there was a bad smell in the house and

36:30

searched the chimney and

36:32

discovered the that remains there. Yeah. That sounds

36:33

too similar to the Santa Claus and

36:36

the chimney, you know,

36:38

folklore about I was thinking

36:40

Santa Claus too. Yeah.

36:42

Yeah.

36:42

But, nevertheless, some guests

36:45

report that they hear the

36:47

sounds of children playing, And another favorite of

36:49

mine, people report that they smell perfume in

36:51

the house. You know,

36:54

like,

36:54

oh,

36:55

Quiny fingers, old lady perfume.

36:57

Uh-huh. That's what

36:57

I mean. If you look at this house, I would expect it

36:59

to smell like that anyway. Chanel

37:02

perfume. Yeah.

37:04

Yeah.

37:04

But I think that one's

37:06

interesting because you're undoubtedly going

37:09

to have guests or others

37:11

who are wearing perfume. So that

37:13

just makes sense. Yes.

37:14

But another claim

37:16

is that people have

37:19

the

37:19

sensation of someone touching them

37:21

while they sleep. So, yeah, lots of

37:23

good old fashioned ghost

37:26

stories. My my wife

37:26

has reported that a lot when we've

37:29

gotten the hotels.

37:31

Oh,

37:32

well, they got this story.

37:34

Wasn't you

37:35

or nothing? Oh,

37:36

yes. Yes. I I

37:39

think I've felt being slapped. It's

37:41

really weird.

37:45

So, yeah, that's

37:48

definitely worth visiting. I mean, some of these places are open to the

37:50

public and others are

37:52

businesses. So you can't just kind

37:54

of turn up and and say, I wanna go

37:55

ghost hunting.

37:58

you'd

37:58

have to stay in these places. It's it's

37:59

paid to play, I think,

38:00

is the way they put it for itself. Indeed.

38:04

Okay. So

38:05

moving on to moon

38:08

river brewing company, which obviously wasn't

38:10

around in the nineteenth centuries,

38:14

something

38:14

that has only been around

38:16

since the nineteen nineties, but the building itself

38:18

has been around since eighteen twenty one.

38:20

Nice. Sorry.

38:22

Another beautiful building? Full

38:23

full of spirits.

38:25

Full spirit to end spirit because it

38:28

is the most haunted

38:30

place the that

38:32

in Savannah. whoa.

38:33

That is shocking. So I've

38:36

had

38:36

a little bit flat now this

38:38

claim, but yeah.

38:40

It's the most haunted and it

38:43

was originally the Savannah City Hotel

38:45

and was another makeshift hospital

38:48

during a yellow

38:50

fever outbreak.

38:51

And so hundreds of

38:54

people and lots of children in

38:56

particular reportedly died there during these

38:58

outbreaks. So,

39:00

yes, report scene, ghostly children, and I've got a number

39:02

of infamous ghosts. There's

39:04

Toby, I don't know, exact

39:07

with who Toby is or how he got his name, but

39:09

he wants the basement of the

39:11

brewpub. And

39:12

there's a lady in white. as well

39:14

who wants

39:15

the upper floors. So, I mean, there's always gonna be

39:17

a lady in white. It does. A lady in white

39:19

or

39:19

a lady in gray. That seems to be like your

39:21

two most generic.

39:24

a period dress. Yeah. Absolutely.

39:26

But this place

39:27

also has poltergeist and they

39:29

smash bottles

39:30

and

39:32

glasses and play tricks on staff and even push people

39:34

down the stairs. Well, that's

39:36

probably bad for insurance. would

39:40

It is. Yeah. What if

39:41

you need to declare something like

39:43

that? Yeah.

39:44

Sorry. It's not bad stairs. It's

39:46

not bad design. We've got a terrible ghost.

39:48

there's really nothing we could do. But at least

39:50

it's kind of thing that pays off

39:51

in Savannah. Yeah. Yes.

39:54

Apparently

39:54

so. But

39:57

speaking of pubs is one final place

39:59

that I

39:59

wanted to talk about, and that's the

40:02

pirate's house. And

40:02

I just we just

40:04

ate here. like, this was a place that Kathleen had

40:07

gone when she was a kid with a

40:09

school trip and wanted to go back and

40:11

visit. So we went And I was expecting it

40:13

to be kind of, you know, run down. It was actually really nice,

40:15

but Oh, it is very fanciness

40:17

market because

40:18

I ate there too with my friend, Shell.

40:22

But unfortunately, I was I had the

40:23

crud, and so I didn't You don't get

40:25

to enjoy it

40:26

as much. Right? Yeah. No.

40:28

Not

40:28

not for as long.

40:30

you're lucky you didn't die there and become yet another That's

40:33

That is so

40:35

true. Absolutely. Because It

40:37

is also the

40:38

most haunted place in such

40:42

that. But This

40:47

place is terribly interesting because it's mentioned in treasure

40:49

island. Yes. A fact you will

40:51

not

40:51

be able to miss if you

40:54

go there. Yes.

40:56

They really play up on that. They'd

40:58

had they've really leaned into that whole

41:00

treasure island, Long John Silver's

41:02

fill, not like the sheepfish joint,

41:05

but, like, It's Well, no. Yeah. But

41:07

I'll tell you what's interesting about this place is

41:09

it was it's been around

41:12

for a long time. Like, it's but

41:14

but it is

41:16

actually multiple structures that have

41:18

been joined together at walkways. And so

41:20

when I went to go see

41:23

the Winchester House, and they were describing how it was built. I realized,

41:25

well, of course, it's a maze. It's a bunch of

41:28

different things that were built over time and

41:30

added on and, you know, it

41:32

it it the the

41:34

natural result of that is, you know,

41:36

weird off levels, wraparound

41:38

labyrinth like structures, and

41:40

and as they're doing remodeling, they

41:42

find things from older structures. They've got

41:45

a a sort of a it's not

41:47

a well. It's a square structure. Maybe it was

41:49

an old chimney. It's hard to say, but

41:51

they call it the tunnel. and they've got it

41:53

glass over now. I think used to you could drop pennies and it looks like from the what

41:55

I see in the trash at the bottom of it, but they

41:57

don't know why it's there. but

41:59

it's central shaft out near the

42:02

buffet. And -- Okay.

42:04

-- I you know, it's it's peculiar.

42:06

If you've got

42:07

con crowd and you need to dash off -- Right.

42:09

-- ring a buffet.

42:10

Exactly.

42:12

But it is

42:13

apparently the oldest structure in Jordan. But as

42:15

you say, there are a lot

42:17

of add on. So I think the herb house is

42:19

the original structure

42:21

dating back

42:22

to the seventeen fifties or maybe even

42:25

the seventeen thirties. but it's certainly being built

42:27

on on top of that around it.

42:30

But the the

42:31

claim is that those there

42:33

was a tunnel in led from the

42:36

basement that went out to River

42:38

Street and that a lot of men who

42:40

went there went drinking

42:42

were drug and then was

42:44

Shanghai, so they were forced to serve as

42:46

sailors on ships. Oh,

42:47

they loved that story.

42:50

Yeah. Yeah. I mean You've

42:51

probably told that when you were there. Yeah. I didn't

42:52

hear it. No. But I've heard the Shanghai story

42:54

a lot. Anytime you get down near the river

42:56

in a in a older city, you're gonna

43:00

hear stories how people were impressed or not

43:02

impressed, but pushed into

43:04

service. Yes. Or

43:06

or Shanghai, as you say.

43:08

the that that was, you know, I guess it was hard to get people

43:10

to volunteer to be a sailor back in the day. But

43:13

once you're out at sea, you

43:15

you know, you're kinda up with

43:17

the job.

43:17

You've got to comply. Yep. Yeah. Or you'll yeah. Made an

43:19

untimely end being tossed off the the ship.

43:22

Yep.

43:22

Indeed. But to

43:24

to that end, there are

43:26

lots of claims that people see the

43:29

ghosts of old sailors and

43:31

seeing them appear at

43:33

windows as well and hearing their phantom footsteps

43:35

walking around the place. But I wanna tell

43:37

you my favorite story that's associated with

43:39

this place that I was

43:41

even told about when I was there, and that is that

43:43

people have encounters with captain Flings, who's

43:46

mentioned in treasure

43:46

islands because apparently he

43:49

visited the bar and then he

43:52

later died in Savannah.

43:54

So

43:54

that's the story you're gonna hear

43:56

a lot, but any problem with it

43:58

is that captain Clint was pictional?

44:00

So you

44:01

won't actually catch

44:04

him napping.

44:05

but

44:08

that is a fun story. So But

44:10

it is it is. The

44:11

places that I visited when

44:12

I was there and have a lot of fun

44:14

memories and would love to go back

44:18

someday. revisit them again. Well, I'd say,

44:19

while I find the ghost stories

44:22

dubious, they it it certainly is an

44:24

atmospheric city. full

44:26

of real history and

44:28

lots of lovely places to eat and

44:30

True. Yeah. It's it's it's and the people

44:32

who have are largely friendly after they've

44:34

had some crime issues, but I certainly not around

44:37

the touristy areas that I've seen. But

44:39

we feel very safe anyway, you

44:41

know. Yeah.

44:41

The historic district is

44:42

is pretty safe. But down by the river,

44:45

the Riverwalk area is that

44:48

was big brick structures to

44:50

take, you know, cargo office

44:52

ships and store. And a lot

44:54

of those old buildings are now restaurants or

44:56

gift shops. And it's a really fun

44:58

place to go walk on the cobblestones and

45:01

and just have a look around and and eat.

45:04

We went down there a few years back and they

45:06

had a tall

45:08

ships festival. and there were all these different sailing ships you could get

45:10

on board and walk around and see, and they had

45:12

the the one that was used

45:14

in master

45:16

and commander. and

45:18

that movie. But and then, sadly,

45:20

it was sunk in

45:22

a hurricane not just a few months

45:24

after we got to go on board. So

45:26

I was really sad to see that. I really sad. No. While we were

45:28

there though, we did see a place that I think Monster Talk

45:30

listeners would really enjoy, you know, these

45:33

episodes go out and they'll sit on the Internet forever. But at the

45:36

time that I'm telling you this, this is a real place

45:38

you can go visit. And it's it's

45:40

called the

45:42

graveface museum. and it's down the

45:44

Riverwalk and it's kind of

45:46

hidden in, like, there's a little sort of

45:48

area between the Riverwalk and in

45:50

the upper street where the

45:52

cars go. And in that little alley sorta area, there's a place called the gray

45:54

face museum. And there's actually two of

45:56

them. There's one in Chicago and there's

45:58

one here

46:00

in Savannah. But And they're related? Well, yes. The husband

46:02

and wife own them, and they've opened both locations

46:04

simultaneous, which is it's a scary

46:06

time to be starting a business, but it's it's

46:08

certainly the kind of

46:10

place that people who listen to this show will enjoy. Is it

46:12

market pork? It

46:14

has carnival,

46:16

the carnival stuff

46:18

like, you know, sideshow gaffes. We've

46:20

talked about those before. Yes. It's got

46:22

all kinds of mermaids. fifty mermaids.

46:26

It's got all these

46:28

old pinball machines you can

46:30

play. It's got old

46:33

books and herbs and

46:35

sort of like spell casting materials if

46:37

you need those. Mhmm. It's

46:39

got a section of serial

46:41

coggler memorabilia if you're into true

46:44

crime, there's a lot of stuff there, like artwork

46:46

made by John Wayne Gacy, that kind of

46:48

stuff. It is a it's an

46:50

it's a fascinating mix of

46:53

sort

46:53

of dark tourism

46:54

abate, if you will.

46:56

It's like come in and see.

47:00

all the things, all the couriers and weirdness. It's, you know,

47:03

pickled punks and, you know,

47:05

all that sort of things.

47:08

Wow. bizarre taxidermy. Anyway, highly recommended for

47:10

if you wanna inject a little weird into your

47:12

visit as if ghosts are not enough. So

47:14

yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm gonna

47:16

have to get

47:18

back there and visit the Great Place Museum as well

47:21

because it looks very cool.

47:23

It

47:23

is indeed. Well, so

47:24

that's a brief tour of Savannah.

47:28

allegedly the hottest city in America.

47:30

Yeah. The the

47:33

the most haunted.

47:35

city. You know, we ought to have, like, a

47:38

little recurring segment where we're, like, you better

47:40

know it goes down. You know?

47:42

Yeah. Let's just talk about

47:44

different haunted cities. Yeah.

47:46

Well,

47:46

I've been to a

47:48

lot of them there. Uh-huh. Me too.

47:49

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I mean,

47:51

yeah, San Francisco, Los

47:54

Angeles, Savannah,

47:55

I've ever been to Salem, I've ever been to Salem,

47:57

but that's a a trip I'd like to make. I

47:59

haven't. It

47:59

is on my bucket list,

48:02

and I think

48:02

about it all the time, and every year, think I've got to get

48:04

there. I I totally want to

48:07

get there, so someday. outstanding.

48:10

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