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What's going on , guys ? Welcome to another episode

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of the more than a side hustle podcast

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, where we help nine to five us create more impact

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, income and influence outside

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their jobs . And today I got a special

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guest with me . Man , this is this is literally my

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personal trainer , and we're

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not just talking about we're not gonna be talking about personal training today . We're

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gonna talk about the mindset around . I

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told you , guys , I was running this half marathon and

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we just completed it , and I was able to

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do it with the help of my guy Ozzy

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here .

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So , oz , before we get into the episode , you know , let the people

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know a little bit about yourself and then we'll kind of kick

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it off so my name is Ozzy

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uh , go by Ozzy on Instagram

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a little plug for my handle , um

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but I kind of got into fitness about

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2011 and

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, uh , one day I woke up I was 30 pounds overweight

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and I figured out from a photo and I was like

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, why ain't nobody tell me I was fat ? And

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then at that moment I locked in and then I

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had a couple ups and downs and we actually

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had a slight conversation and it kind of described

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our journeys like when people fall off the wagon when

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you go back to it , the time off the wagon gets

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shortened . And up until 2011

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to about 2016 , I was up and and down , up

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and down , and then at that point I

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got certified as a trainer and I knew that I

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wanted to help people learn from the mistakes that

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I made . And then I started doing

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fitness consulting , training in person , taught

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some group X classes , picked up boxing

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when I lived out in LA for a bit , and

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now I'm transitioning more to online

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coaching and , since I am a new runner who

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have ran a few races , I'm trying to help other

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people balance the wanting to

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run for good cardiovascular health and also

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maintain their muscle mass and

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aesthetics .

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That's perfect right there , and one

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of the things you had helped me do was and

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I'll talk a little bit about the race We'll talk

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about the race and what that entailed 13 miles

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half marathon 13.1, .

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let's not rob ourselves 13.1

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miles .

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We're not going to rob ourselves from that . And

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you guys listen to the episode . Oz was actually

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on episode number 15 . So

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you guys can go back and check out that episode

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. He goes into his background about

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everything he just said in a lot more detail . But

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I came to him when I said I wanted

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to run . So I think you guys listen

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. You guys listen to that episode where I said I want to run

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a , a half marathon , this year and I

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told you guys why I want to do that . I

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wanted to get to running but I needed a hard enough

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goal that was going to keep me consistent . And

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I hit up oz . I was like yo , what do I need

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to do to make this happen ? And you

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came to me , was like yo , we're to lock

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in and your biggest challenge is going to be

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staying healthy . Why do you feel like

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that was the case ?

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Well , I know that we're friends because

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we have a similar personality . We take the

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I'm going to run through the wall approach . The

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problem is you only need to run through the wall on

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race day . Any other time is premature

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. And I've learned from my

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own mistakes of taking

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how I built myself as far as

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strength and thought that I could do that with

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running . But when we're older we are

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deconditioned . There were just a lot of things that

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I knew we were going to run into and I also

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knew that I didn't want to give you a plan . I wanted

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to talk to you because I need to know how you

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feel , because I know if I said , hey , go run six miles

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and you hurt , you would have went and did it . But I know if I said

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, hey , go run six miles and you hurt , you would have went and did it . But before I gave

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you any direction , I'm like , hey , how are you feeling ? What's hurting ? What's

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your plan for your run ? It was more of

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a conversation and

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I think that to me that's what coaching is , because you can have the best athlete but if you

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don't know that their back is hurting or their knee is hurting and you tell them

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to go run a play or go run a drill . Now

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you're putting them at risk of not being able to play in the

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game . That might be most important , and I

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think that is if you don't get injured

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, you'll eventually get good . If you

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get injured , you have setbacks . The setbacks

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isn't the goal . Whatever you're trying to do that

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leads you to get setback , that's not the goal . Now

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, if you get injured on race day , that sucks too , but at

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least you completed the goal .

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Yeah , with that one , you mentioned , um , the coaching aspect of it . Now a lot of us like , listen , I'm gonna

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get up , I'm gonna run , I'm gonna do that , I'm gonna do my own thing . But you guys know us in the

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hardsack household , we always want to go

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to experts that you know , people that have done

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the thing that we have , that we want to accomplish

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. And the first thing I said was , instead of me trying

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to figure this out , I know you just ran

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a full marathon , which is 26 26

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, 26.2 .

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It was actually 26.44 because

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of how I ran the course .

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So I know you just ran a full marathon

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and that motivated me . And that's another thing too

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, like being around people who are motivating

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you to get better . So you know , you , our

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friend Zell , um , our friend Cy , you guys

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ran a marathon and I said after that I

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need to get back into running . I think that same day I told you guys , you

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motivated me to get back into running . But

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the coaching aspect was super important , because

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you've done the thing right and

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I didn't want to lose weight , I wanted to still lift

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and you was like I've done the thing . I'm

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going to show you how I did the thing . Why is coaching so

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important , especially when it comes to fitness

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?

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The coaching is so important because you're

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going to have beginner blind spots . That

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person has experience , so it's not anecdotal

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, it's not something that they read

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in a book , it's an experience that they're actually

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having . So , as I was mentioning to you before

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, we started , recording every issue

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he had during this race I had

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already . So

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I already knew like , okay , this is what needs to be done . And when I looked at the mileage I

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had for my marathon ran almost a hundred more miles than the two people I ran the marathon with

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and they were healthier than me . So I I was like too

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rigid with making sure I had all my long runs

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. So you're that mean , you was like over training . I wasn't

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over training . I wasn't giving myself grace . I

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think my training the whole process of only

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training for a marathon is 12 weeks is asinine

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, like no one should do that Wait , wait , wait .

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Can we Hold on ? Let's go back , let's go back , let's go back , let's go

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back . I forgot you , so

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I'm going to put it in context . Can

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we put this in context ? So I went from

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zero to half marathon in 12 weeks

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. You

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went from zero to full marathon marathon in 12 weeks . That , and I said I needed more

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time . You are absolutely nuts for doing that . Why , what ?

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what ? What would make you do that ? Why would you do that ? So I think my dad used to say this to

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me . He said all you got is your word and your name

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. I committed and

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I had to stand on principles , that that's what

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I gotta do so . It's funny how

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I even got into running . So when I lived in la

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, I would do five miles on the weekends at

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Santa Monica Beach Beautiful wind , perfect

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little tailwind to push you forward and

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then when I moved back to Dallas

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I wasn't running anymore . It's too hot , it

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was too hot and it gets too cold

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.

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There's no scenic routes and it's flat

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, no beach .

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So I had a coworker . She

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was saying she's going to do a half marathon and then there was a guy who worked with me . He

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was like oh , Ozzy's so fit , he should do it too . I'm

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like no , he's like come on , Ozzy

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, this would be great team building . I'm new to the company , I'm

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playing the game , so I thought I needed to do

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it . So I got lucky . She left . So

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then Like

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hey , let's do a marathon . I was like

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bro , you're bugging , Like we should just do a half . He

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was like you could do a half right now and I was like

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he's right , I've ran and walked 10 miles

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.

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But I didn't realize how big of a difference that additional 13 miles

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is .

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I mean , it's literally double the distance . It's

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literally double . But it's not like a 5K to a 10K or a 3-miler to a 6 . So at that point I was

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like , oh , I can do it . I'm listening to David Goggins books on every long one . Sarah Jake sermon master

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, like I'm so dialed in . I'm like delusionally dialed in to the point where I think I can

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just increase my mileage increase . Then on

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my my night , my uh 19

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mile run , I injured myself on mile eight

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but I got David Goggins playing

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and I'm like I'm gonna keep running . So

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after being able to tap into

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that Savage bag , I never want anyone

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to have to tap into that until

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before race day . And I knew that once

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you got there , no matter what body showed up , you

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would be able to finish . I didn't want you to take the

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approach I took for training , because

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then I had

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to run the race with the Steph Curry ankle braces

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All jokes aside like I literally

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could not flex my ankle on a day at a race . I probably shouldn't

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have ran the race . But what I did was I

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showed myself I can do more than I thought

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, even though I was ill prepared

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. So I had to do the dumb thing

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to learn how to help people do the smart thing .

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Man , you ran with an ankle

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brace and you couldn't move , so

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you're running with , essentially with a boot on

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.

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Basically so my foot was like a club . So

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if your foot's supposed to flex like , my foot

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was hitting the ground like this every step

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for 26 miles .

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Damn .

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And it took another six months to be able to

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run without any type of compression on my ankle

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after it was over .

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So you got hurt training , yep . And

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then you got to the marathon and you ran it hurt Yep

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. And

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you're like , okay , I'm gonna run , I'm gonna keep this running thing going

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, because you're still running today the reason

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I I don't want to let something defeat

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me .

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It's an it's an inanimate concept of

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running , like it's if you're ill prepared

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. That's why things defeat you , because you're

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ill prepared . So I was like if I would have been prepared

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as I am now and I ran into the same issues

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, then I might have been a little defeated , but it was actually

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encouraging knowing that I did that without

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knowing everything that I

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know now and I kind of can be obsessive

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with information . So I start to dial

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into . I didn't know about the hybrid athlete before

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I started running .

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What's a hybrid athlete ?

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A hybrid athlete . Basically I don't really

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like the term , but it's basically just an athlete , someone who

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runs and lifts . And

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once really like the term , but it's basically just an athlete , someone who runs and lift . And once I figured out how to not lose weight and run , I was like , oh , this is what I , the code I've been trying to crack

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for forever . Because a lot of people say , oh , I don't do cardio because I don't want to lose muscle mass

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, but it's just knowing , doing

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enough research and understanding your body enough to

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test and try and do

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things , to keep doing things like , all right , this didn't

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work , I'm gonna try this again . So in the midst of me

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running , I kept dealing with issues and

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as I was learning , I was like , oh , this is

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, this is similar to business , this is similar

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relationships . You try something , you take

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notes , you do an after action report and then you go

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back and that's why I like running , because

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I don't like it and there is no

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, there's no , there's no carrot at the end of the stick

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. Every run's hard , every sucks

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, and even when you run a race , it's people . Who

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was smoking me ? Like , literally , when

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we ran the half , there was a marathon

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runner who had passed me

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. I was like all right , I'm letting too many

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of these marathoners pass me and I was like

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all right , I got to focus in to make

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sure , and that was my little competitive streak during the race

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. But I think that running a race

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is literally everyone's running your own race

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and it's not something you can beat and you can't

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cheat . Run it . There's no steroids for it , there's

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no special supplements you have to put

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in the work , you have to put your feet on the ground and

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I feel like I've said this before with things

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that are fair and equitable I'm gonna

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always support . Rather , somebody got 10

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million or two dollars

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. When you tow that line , it don't matter

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. That 13.1 to 13.1

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.

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And you ran with your father . And what was

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super dope to me was that when you're running with your pops

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, how old is your pops ?

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My pop's 59 . He'll be 60 in

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December .

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Your pops is 59 . He'll be 60 in December

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and he just ran his first half marathon

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. He's not a runner currently

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, he's

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probably running now he might start running some more and he went from zero to running a half marathon

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and when we got to the starting line it was crazy because he said he was like I'm too old to be out here and I'm like you , you're gonna see people then

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, you out here , probably running a full

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marathon . I saw this guy

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he was like six , five , maybe , like super

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in shape , running a marathon and he was running

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with this little lady she

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was probably like 75 , and they

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were running that full marathon together

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and your father was like . When

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he said that he was like I'm probably too old to

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be out here , I'm like yo , this is your first run . You're going to see people who are

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almost damn near they got

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10 years on you and they're going to be like double your

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size or a quarter of your size .

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And it's so funny . I was trying to give him that Like

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you're going to see people bigger , faster

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, slower , older .

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You have to run your own race .

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You have to stay focused and really it was

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a couple old people past us .

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Older than him .

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And he was like really , I was like listen , stay in your

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own lane , just focus on you , because at the end of

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the day , you , in your own body , you got

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to run this race . And also to echo what you

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said about you being inspired my dad was inspired

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. My dad came to pick me up after the race

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. I was broke up after the marathon and

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he still was encouraged and

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this is the most consistent I've seen my father be as far as like working out and

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he just completed his PhD last year and

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now he's running a half marathon , running a half marathon . I'm , like my

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dad , really leveling up .

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Late PhD in a half marathon

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.

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Yeah , like you know what I mean , Some of us don't

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even know our dads out there Like your dad out here

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doing it so like I was super

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proud that was like one of the best father-son

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moments . And , like you know , he lost 10 pounds I to make

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sure everything was working out

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. You know what I mean and I'm really proud . And

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then he texted me this week and said next year I'm going to do the 26.2

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.

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Okay , he could do that by the end of the year

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if he wanted to .

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He could , but you know he's going to baby step it . I

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respect it .

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Now , that's crazy , man . And I remember my first . I

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think my first run was

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back in like 2012

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, back in like 20 , 2012 or something like that half marathon and your goal , and I think you kept reminding me throughout

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my entire training we were talking about running

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your own race . I kept comparing myself to

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myself . Back then . I was like

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yo , I ran the half marathon with

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no problem . I looked at my splits they was

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like nine minute miles , but

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that was also 10 years ago . So

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I kept comparing myself to myself 10

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years ago and that was why that was my

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biggest challenge when I , when I started training , and

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I kept coming to you like yo , I need to be able to do this

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because I did it before . But you

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kept saying , like listen , where you are today is not

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where you used to be . You're a completely different person , completely

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different body . You gotta be ready for that . So why

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do you think that that type of mindset

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was so important throughout this , this whole training

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regimen ? Because I see it all the time when it even

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comes to just business coaches like

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yo , you're not . You're not who you were

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, but then also , you're not everybody around you I

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think that's so .

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Basically , there's a concept called the contrast theory

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, that we notice things based on how different

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they are . For example , if we were to raise the temperature in

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the room by one degree , we won't notice

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the temperature is changing in the room until we get to the

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point where we notice and there's a stark difference

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of who we are now at 30 plus

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versus who we were at 20 plus at

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one point . I remember I ran a six minute mile

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. Somebody's gonna come scrape

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me up off the ground if I try to run a six minute

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mile right now . So I think it's just

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understanding like your life has changed you

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. You , um , I've been in car accidents

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that that affected my hips and my body

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. I also became a heavy weight lifter

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. I'm also 20 more pounds approximately

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than what I was when I graduated college . Obviously

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, I have more muscle , but it's the body

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is not the same , and also the amount

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of time we've spent sitting down . We also don't sleep as much

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as we used to when we were younger , and

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I think that what happens is you think that

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the previous you was the better

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you , but the story is better with the current

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you . To say all the things that we have

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going on and we're doing , what we're doing

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, is more relatable

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to people than saying I sleep 10 hours a day and I'm

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a full-time runner . No disrespect to the full-time

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runners , but they sleep eight

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hours a day , take a two-hour nap , then sleep another

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eight hours Like I'm lucky if I get eight

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two days in a row . You know what I mean . So

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I think it's important to understand that . Be

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here now , be where your feet are and

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I think that that's the biggest thing

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when you're running a race is be where your feet

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are and

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the ego is going to flare up . It happened to me during a race too , like at one

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moment I was like man , we should pick up the pace , but I'm like no , the goal

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is for him to finish mentally strong and to not be to cramp or injure

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. Like it's like you can always focus on another

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metric in your journey . It's like , oh , this

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is the most consistent I've been . You can look at your

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average steps or your average calories burn . It's

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like we get to choose what we focus

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on and what . What I notice is because , as

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I'm working with you , I was like I don't

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want him to get injured and be discouraged and say I'm

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not meant to run anymore or

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I'm too old for this . So I was like okay , how

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can I make sure he stay healthy ? And these are

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all things I had to implement for myself , like if

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my feet hurt , don't go run , hop

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on a bike .

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Hop on a Stairmaster .

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Like hop on a stair , master , like those are things like there's one a , one b , one c , so you to

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know that you're not slacking . I think one of the things

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for me I feared being a lazy person . So when I wasn't in

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a position to , or wasn't in the best condition to

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, do things , I'm always kind of sometimes fearful

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of the lazy kid that I used to be

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, to rise again , and I think

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that because you're so good at what you

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do in your business , you want to translate , but

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there isn't a maturation , maturation

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process . That happens with running . We'll get to the

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point where you probably can run every day with no problem , but

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right now that's not where you are . And just

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think about when you first started the business . You

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you know making courses

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or you're coaching , or you're doing episodes and not really

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knowing what you're doing . Now you're surgical with it and I and

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I think that's because you have the you know

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the cliche 10,000 hours , and I know

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I don't have the 10,000 hours of running in

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, but I was like I'll never not run again and

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I'm not going to let this defeat me .

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Why do you think running is so important ? Why do you

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? Because you've been lifting . When

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I was in college , I was lifting . I never ran . Even

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when I tried out for the football

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team back in my first college , I never

16:45

ran . I never had a problem with

16:48

running . It was just never part of what we did . Unless

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you ran track , I always lifted

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. So why do you think running is so

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important , especially at this stage in your life ?

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I think running is important because it's spiritual . I

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think it's spiritual in a sense that there is no

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winning or losing . When you go on the run , there's no crowd

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cheering for you , there's no congratulations . It's

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a moment for you to be in your mobile office

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. That's the only time you're truly by

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yourself , only time you're by yourself and

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the chosen heart is the only thing that

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you actually have control over , because everything

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else in your life you're at the mercy of your environment

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, your family , and we all have to answer somebody , whether

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it be our parents , our kids . We're

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constantly being pulled . When you choose

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to do something , you can at least hang

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your hat on the fact that I chose to go on this

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run . So how much ever you smite

17:32

mile three or mile eight , that

17:34

was a chosen hard that you choose and I

17:36

think that that's how you keep things in perspective

17:39

is that when you choose hard , when hard

17:41

hits you , you can kind of tap into

17:43

that same thing hard

17:45

. When hard hits you , you can kind of tap into that same thing . Check in with your breath , like nipsey

17:47

said . He said focus on your breath is all about your breathing . That's

17:49

what running's about and that's what life's about . If you

17:51

check your pulse rate . You look at your pulse rate when

17:53

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17:55

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But if you take a moment , like , okay , if

18:32

I'm late , I'm late , I'll get there . When I get there

18:34

, let me get there safely , Take a deep breath

18:36

, that's important . It's just like when you're on mile one

18:38

You're like man , I got 10 more miles to

18:40

go . Just focus on your breathing , like

18:43

, let the breathing . Like the time you was listening to the

18:45

metronome while you was running , it gave you something

18:47

consistent to focus on , even

18:50

the sound of your feet hitting the pavement

18:52

. It

18:55

gives you an opportunity to focus that you don't have that opportunity because

18:57

we have so much stimulus coming in nonstop , nonstop Text messages

19:00

is alert and I think that's why I believe

19:02

that prayer , meditation

19:04

and running the Holy Trinity

19:06

no disrespect if someone else is disrespectful , but

19:09

that's what that feels like to me that

19:12

metronome .

19:13

I agree with you . Running and that's why

19:15

I used to love running back in the day was that

19:17

was the only time I was truly by myself , even

19:20

though I was running in Central Park . The atmosphere

19:22

was amazing , but it was just me and

19:24

the pavement just running step by step . And

19:28

when I started running out here and

19:31

I was training and I put that the metronome

19:33

was literally just a beat . I listened to

19:35

a beat for 30 minutes . It wasn't instrumental , it was

19:38

just and

19:40

I'm making that sound so that you guys can understand what it

19:42

actually sounded like and I did that for 30 minutes

19:44

. Now that could be some . I

19:47

posted . I said could you run to this for 30

19:49

minutes ? Somebody was like that's mind boggling , but

19:51

for me it didn't . Listening to

19:53

a podcast , listening to music ? That's all

19:56

being around other people . I was listening

19:58

to that beat . It wasn't instrumental , it was just

20:00

knocking every couple

20:02

seconds . I

20:04

was forced to focus on myself and I

20:06

thought that was probably one of my most calm

20:08

runs too .

20:09

And one thing running does . It teaches you to

20:12

control your state on demand right . If

20:14

you're having a bad day at first

20:16

, you might be bombarded or hit with a bad

20:18

day After you've been having a bad day for three

20:20

hours . It's not a choice Making

20:22

a decision at like are you going to do what you

20:25

said you're going to do ? Are you going to complete this run ? Are

20:28

you going to figure out a

20:30

way to make it a game ? So , for example

20:32

, during the marathon not this half marathon

20:35

, but during the marathon I cramped down mile

20:37

four and I was heartbroken . I had ran 20

20:39

miles straight two weeks prior , but

20:42

I came out the gate too hot . So then I

20:44

said , okay , let's make this a game . Run

20:47

into the cramp come back .

20:49

That was the name of the game Wait

20:51

, wait so the cramp went away . What happens

20:54

when you cramp during a run ? So you stop , you stretch , so

20:56

what ?

20:56

happens is your muscles are not conditioned

20:59

for the duration of time at that

21:01

speed . You're running that 20-mile

21:03

run . I ran at about a 12 or 40-minute

21:05

or so pace nonstop . I

21:07

came out the first four miles at like a 10

21:10

, 20 .

21:14

That's two minutes plus faster than what .

21:15

I had been practicing . That's your body saying , nah , you wallowing , right now , 100%

21:18

. I also I got into tutorial hell about what

21:20

to do before waist week . So , like I wasn't

21:22

eating my normal meals , I was trying to carb load

21:25

. So my body was not prepared . And also

21:27

, too , I took a caffeine pill that

21:29

I had never . I just started using the caffeine pill a

21:31

week before . It was 200 milligrams

21:33

. That spiked my heart rate plus the adrenaline

21:36

of the environment , so that means that even

21:38

if that wasn't a too fast pace , my heart

21:40

rate was too high . So now you start

21:42

dealing with your lactate threshold , which is the point

21:44

where your body is now creating too

21:46

much lactate in the muscle and that's what causes

21:48

it .

21:49

So your eating was off Taking

21:51

new shit before the run , and

21:53

you're already starting faster than you normally

21:55

would .

21:56

That sounds like a recipe for disaster

21:58

and once again , I literally went through every

22:00

emotion . You know how they talk about , like the five stages of grief

22:03

. That's what the marathon talk about .

22:04

Talk about that experience , too , with the . So you caught

22:06

a cramp at mile four . Yeah , how do you complete

22:09

? Because you , you still finished . Yes , yes

22:11

how do you ? What was the ? What was the emotional

22:14

cycle as you're going through ? So the first one is

22:16

oh my agony , you're probably defeated . You're going through , so

22:18

the first one is oh my agony , you're probably defeated , you're

22:21

disappointed at mile four .

22:22

So what I knew is my body was failing

22:24

me , my lungs was good and

22:26

my mental was good . So

22:32

I was like , all right , two out of the three , that's 66% , it's almost

22:34

a C . I was like , all right , I got two

22:36

out of the three . So I told myself . I was like

22:38

yo , bro , if you quit , this is going

22:40

to haunt you until you have the opportunity to redeem yourself

22:42

. And I'm like I don't

22:45

want to tell someone . Yeah , you know , I almost

22:47

ran the marathon . I was not trying to have

22:49

that conversation . So

22:53

I said , okay , walk , and I walk like michael myers . You know how in

22:55

the movies , michael myers be catching people walking

22:57

. You like that's how I walk . That because

22:59

I had trained prepared to walk and

23:01

run in that way if I had to . So

23:03

I'm walking dumb fast , I'm like 14

23:06

minute miles walking , like I'm I'm

23:08

moving . So then I was like , okay , the

23:10

moment the cramp go away . Because when you , when you

23:12

train , you start to experience cramps

23:14

, it's like all right , it's like hiccups

23:16

that happen in life . It's like all right , you just

23:19

came from vacation . You know that , like after vacation

23:21

, you normally had this three-day little low period

23:23

where you're not productive or you're not working out

23:25

. Now you got to figure out how

23:27

can I take that three-day and return to one . I

23:32

was like , okay , what can I do to get rid

23:34

till the cramp dissipates and then run again

23:37

. And then at that point I made it a game

23:39

. I was like , okay , let's see how far I can run before the cramp . I was

23:41

like , oh cool , you ran 5 that time and

23:43

I just started like playing games with myself

23:45

to make myself realize like you have to finish

23:47

this . There was only one moment where I

23:49

thought about quitting . It was mile 23 and

23:51

a blister burst on my feet . Ooh , I

23:54

had never had a blister on my

23:56

toe in that manner before and it burst Literally

23:59

the only reason I didn't call the Uber because I

24:01

had to go back to the start line to get my stuff

24:03

.

24:04

So I'm like I got

24:06

to finish . Now that sounds painful and absolutely

24:08

disgusting .

24:10

Yeah , it was rough , but I think what running has

24:12

done is it taught me to have the ability

24:14

to focus and it's not personal . In its business

24:16

, running

24:22

is running has done . Is it taught ? me to have the ability to focus , and it's not personal in its business . Running is not something

24:24

that I'm jumping for joy to do . It is a business meeting that I have with myself and I think that what I learned from that like

24:26

when you would talk to me about business pre-running the marathon

24:28

I was kind of artsy , fartsy a little

24:30

bit and I was just like , yeah , man , you

24:32

know , I wanted to feel right . Running never , never , feels

24:34

right . So once

24:36

you realize like you can still get your goal accomplished

24:39

without feeling like doing it , yeah , and

24:41

then you'll do yourself into a better feeling

24:44

. That's what running does . I tell people all

24:46

the time I hate running . I was like why do you run ? I was like because

24:48

how I feel after it is gratification

24:50

to me that I am a man of my word . I did what I say

24:52

, did what I say , and I did what a high percentage of people aren't willing

24:54

to do . And

24:57

sometimes in this world where you're constantly comparing yourself to what someone else

25:00

is doing , when it comes to the mindset and the physicality , I feel like I can

25:02

go one-to-one with anybody in the world and that's

25:04

something that I built myself . You don't know where

25:06

someone started from in their finances or

25:08

their relationship . But when it comes to physicality

25:10

, that is a very equitable starting

25:13

point . So that is a way for me to keep myself

25:15

and self-love myself in the

25:17

midst of all this comparison here

25:19

to there , to there , to there . So that's why I love fitness

25:21

, because I feel like it's equitable , and running

25:23

just takes it to another level . I'm 185 , with

25:25

short legs . I should not be running marathons

25:28

, or or I shouldn't be running at all

25:30

, because the anthropometrics , which is the

25:32

distance between your , your , your elbow to your

25:34

finger or your foot to

25:36

your knee , is not in favor of running

25:38

. But that's why I do it , because someone who looks

25:41

like me , who lifts weight , someone like

25:43

you see , like , oh , this is , our stats

25:45

are kind of similar , like our , like base

25:47

weight is similar 170 , 168 , 175

25:50

. And you used to be running

25:52

. When I met you , you was running , I wasn't running . I

25:54

was doing it for like , like steady state cardio to

25:56

get leaner , and now it's a full

25:59

circle moment again . We both like . Now

26:01

we like , okay , we can hop in races together

26:03

, we can do things , and I think that the camaraderie

26:05

this create is unmatched now

26:07

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you just mentioned the

26:49

actual camaraderie that running

26:51

has created . Now we have

26:54

a running chat . Now we're doing

26:56

runs together . Now I

26:58

feel like we got a closer bond because Now we're doing runs

27:00

together . Now I feel like we got a closer bond because it goes outside of what

27:02

we normally would be doing ?

27:03

Yeah , for sure .

27:03

And the things we normally would be doing going out , drinking

27:05

, eating stuff like that . But now it's like

27:07

we're getting up on a Saturday morning

27:09

paying $100 , $150 to do a damn run

27:12

.

27:12

Yeah , and I think the dope thing about it is

27:14

you're the net sum of the people you're

27:16

around and also the accountability

27:19

through conversation , right ? So I feel like

27:21

we're always programming ourselves

27:23

with the things we consume and the people we talk to

27:25

. And I feel like for you , when you decided

27:27

to not drink , I had a phase where

27:29

I went without drinking and now I don't really drink

27:31

either . So now I can see my friends without

27:34

having to party and drink . We can go

27:36

for a run together , and you know like there's

27:38

like little memes going on that when you get in your 30s

27:40

, people do this . I'm like , if the relationship

27:42

is a net positive , I'm for it . If it's a

27:44

neutral , I got to love you as a person . If it's

27:47

a net negative , I can't

27:49

do it , because

27:53

I think , at the end of the day , time is the one resource that we don't get back . And you

27:56

also don't feel crazy when your friends are engaging in the positive things

27:58

for you . You know how many people like , oh , you're crazy

28:00

from doing this . You're crazy . I was like I'm

28:02

not crazy , I just want something more

28:04

for myself . Like you're always reaching for opportunity

28:07

to validate your human experience . Yes , I'm enough

28:09

. Yes , I'm love . Yes , I don't need to do another

28:11

thing and I can . I can quote , unquote , say

28:13

I've given life all

28:16

that I have , but at the same time

28:18

it's like having a cookie jar . The cookies

28:20

get stale . You got to swap those cookies out , you

28:22

can't be talking about what you did when you was in high

28:24

school or when you was in college . It's like what

28:27

have you done recently For you ? You have a

28:29

daughter , I have a daughter . You started

28:31

a business . You ran a half marathon . I

28:37

went from entrepreneur to a corporate career and that's another piece about you left the

28:39

corporate space , but I can't control when they promote me . But

28:41

I can control if I get up to go run . So

28:43

they always ask me at work why do you run ? I was like because

28:45

it's one of the few things in my life I have complete

28:48

autonomy over and we don't want

28:50

to believe that we don't have autonomy . But

28:52

when I get out on the road , I'm at

28:54

the mercy of the traffic . When I go to

28:56

the bank , I'm at the mercy of the line . When I'm

28:58

working with clients , I'm at the mercy of my clients

29:01

and , not to sound like in a deprecating

29:03

or a less than way , the reality

29:05

is the things that you do have

29:08

control over . Push yourself to get

29:10

more from yourself and everything else feels

29:12

more manageable after that .

29:14

So this is something I wanted for you

29:16

, probably more than I

29:18

think I'm the friend that gives advice , but

29:21

I'm gonna give you enough to see what you do with it

29:23

, because I was like I don't want to be the overbearing friend now you

29:25

let me know if I am sometimes but my

29:28

thing about you is like I love the fact that

29:30

you you do this and I know you're very

29:32

knowledgeable in a space , but on the

29:34

on the actual training

29:37

side , or consulting side , I'm like yo , there's so

29:39

much more room for you in this space and

29:41

I'm like it's missing . I've never

29:44

seen someone that looks

29:46

like me , that has a stature similar to

29:48

me , that also runs and lives , that

29:50

also breaks this down in a way where you don't have to

29:52

stop your entire life , like you've

29:54

never once said , well , you can't , you got to stop your entire life . Like you've never once said , well , you

29:56

can't , you got to stop drinking . Or you got to stop I

29:58

don't smoke , but you got to stop smoking , say yo , do

30:01

it in moderation , which is not a normal thing

30:03

for a personal trainer to say

30:05

to people . So why do you think your , your

30:07

method , your , your method is a little different

30:09

than others ?

30:10

I think my method is different from others

30:12

because it's like if you won't do it for a lifetime

30:15

, don't do it for a day . And what

30:17

do you mean by that ? So when I say that , it's like if

30:19

I said I'm training for a race and

30:21

I completely cut all communication with my family

30:23

, my friends , my significant other . That's

30:26

not sustainable and I think when things

30:28

aren't sustainable , people hate it . So

30:30

you passed , uh , my info to one

30:32

of your friends and I told him this is a

30:34

structure and a framework , meaning

30:37

that it's not the house , it's just a blueprint

30:39

. You have to have wiggle room because you don't

30:41

want to smite what you're , what you're

30:43

doing . And I think what I learned is everyone's

30:46

not going to have the same amount of time

30:48

, the same sleep schedule , so you have

30:50

to customize a percentage wise

30:52

, right . If they're doing the right thing 85 to 90

30:54

percent of the time they'll get to their goals

30:56

. And also , none of us are professional athletes

30:59

, so we don't have to work out 310 . The

31:01

Mamba mentality race day , yes , the

31:04

Mamba mentality during training that

31:06

might not work because you're going to burn out and you're going to have mental

31:08

fatigue and then you're probably not going

31:10

to continue . So

31:18

I think the reason it's important for is like it's integration , because integration turns

31:20

into a lifestyle versus diet or a strict training regimen . I never tell people what

31:22

to eat , I tell them why they should

31:24

eat it , or I never tell you how much to run

31:26

. I'm like , hey , listen , increase by five minutes

31:28

. Now that means , okay , I'm not feeling it today

31:30

. You might run a less distance , but you , you just

31:32

ran . You still ran five minutes more . I think

31:35

it's like if I gave this to someone

31:37

who started today , would this be something that

31:39

they would feel like they could do , even if they couldn't

31:41

in that moment . Does it feel

31:43

like Mount Rushmore or does it feel like it's just

31:45

a little small anthill that they can jump over

31:47

? You want people to feel like it's an anthill they

31:49

can jump over , but have the work ethic

31:52

as if they're going to climb .

31:53

Mount Everest . That's crazy . You said that because

31:56

, like my friend , he was like yo , like

31:58

he's like Oz is different when it comes

32:00

to this training stuff . And

32:03

I was like that's why I connected you , because I know your lifestyle

32:05

and I know you've gone from not eating

32:08

this , eating this , to not eating

32:10

that and I'm like , unless that's sustainable which

32:12

he's done it for the course of time but it's like

32:14

he's not going to tell you to stop doing those

32:16

lifestyle choices . Those are your lifestyle choices and

32:18

you're like I'm going to do rice and

32:20

peas and stuff like that . He's like , all right , cool , that's going to be

32:23

the focus , but we're not going to eat it as

32:25

much . Right , you're going to focus on maybe

32:30

having a smaller portion or changing interrupt you

32:32

.

32:32

I think that your family and your

32:34

friends will be more supportive of the goal if the

32:36

goal has a little bit of flexibility

32:38

and you're reaching it . Because some people they call it

32:41

like monk mode , where you get so dialed in

32:43

, so focused , where you barely

32:45

talk to your family , you don't go out and eat , you

32:47

don't go out and drink . Now your friends are

32:49

looking at your goal as an adversary , because

32:51

they don't really . They want what's best

32:54

for you that keeps them in your

32:56

life yeah so it's a way of finding middle

32:58

ground , to say , hey , bro , I'm going to pull

33:00

up tonight , but I got a 10-mile run in

33:02

the morning . No one's going to try to force you to drink

33:04

if you say I got a 10-mile run in the morning .

33:06

Hold on . Do you think I want to push

33:08

back on that a little bit ? Do you think sometimes it's actually

33:10

more beneficial for a person to go into full

33:12

shell mode to get ?

33:14

to their goals . It depends on your personality

33:16

. If you are naturally a

33:18

quote-unquote which I don't like these labels because

33:20

they're relative if you are

33:22

an extrovert and you can go into monk mode and

33:24

pop back out I went into monk mode and never

33:26

wanted to come back out and right now , as we speak

33:28

I got a foam roller on the floor , a yoga

33:31

mat , a lacrosse ball . Like my life

33:33

is so entrenched in wellness that

33:35

sometimes it's hard for me to connect with people

33:37

when I think there are things that are

33:39

, like , very obviously not

33:41

healthy for them . Name one . You're

33:43

going to say drinking . I'm not going

33:45

to necessarily say drinking , just

33:48

the mindset .

33:49

There's nothing positive about drinking .

33:50

There's zero positive about drinking , but

33:52

what I will say is that I don't like when people

33:54

have faulty thinkings about drinking Right . If

34:02

I decide that faulty thinking is everything's in moderation . No , dog , that's poison . There is

34:04

. No , it's just poison . Now I'd rather say I know it ain't good for me , but I'm

34:06

out to drink it . Yeah , I'd rather that approach

34:08

, because you're at least acknowledging that you're

34:10

not being delusional with yourself and saying that oh

34:13

, they say , if you drink right , you gotta drink like eight bottles of

34:15

red wine it's like oh yeah it's some

34:17

nonsensical number , but I also understand

34:19

like who benefits from you drinking

34:22

? the bars , the liquor companies

34:24

? they're not thinking about what department exactly

34:26

, and I lift right , and I say this that

34:28

businesses don't operate off of morality

34:31

, operate off legality . So if what they're doing

34:33

is not illegal , they're going to do it . So when

34:35

people go out and they have

34:37

faulty mindsets about drinking , that

34:40

will bother me , not like , yeah , I know this ain't

34:42

the best thing for me and they don't have to say it to me , but just

34:44

know deep down inside that's not the best thing for

34:46

you . That's like me going to the gym and getting

34:48

under 600 pounds and I've never squatted 400

34:50

pounds that's just a poor choice

34:52

, yeah you know what I mean . Like , oh

34:54

, your life is at risk , your life could be at risk while you're

34:56

drinking . You don't know what's going to happen while you're out

34:58

there . I think it's the mindset . It's

35:01

overdone , but the mindset is

35:03

the piece , to me , that is going to give

35:05

you the ability to start , stop

35:07

and or keep going . So if you're

35:09

out with your friends and you know that you can

35:12

still like for example , denzel is a great example

35:14

he can go to a company party and get up

35:16

and run I need nine hours of sleep . If I

35:18

got something I need to do the next day , I'm going to do it at five in the morning . You know

35:20

what I mean . Like , I think that there's certain people , but

35:22

you have to assess and be honest with yourself

35:24

and not fall into the comparison trap of

35:27

trying to do what someone else is going to do . Because

35:38

I've been running a than me , I have two things working

35:40

against me . So just by looking at that math

35:42

equation , it's like why are you even comparing yourself to

35:44

these people ? Also , people who drink regularly

35:46

. They can have three drinks . I have three drinks

35:49

. It's clipped for me .

35:49

I'm done the next day you know what I mean .

35:51

so it's just understanding where you are and , yes

35:54

, you want the camaraderie

35:56

. Learned that if and it's like , hey , bro , let's

35:58

go grab a drink , I'm like , yeah , bro , I'm

36:00

not going to be able to drink with you , but we can grab coffee

36:02

in the morning , I'm always going to provide that

36:04

additional thing to let you know I do want to hang out with you , but

36:06

it might not be in a way you want it to be . And

36:08

when people are like , hey , do you drink ? Gonna

36:16

trip , but I'm not about , I'm not going to the same pub that we've been going through for years

36:18

to get you know , plaster hammered .

36:19

You know what I mean . That's , the thing about me is like I , so

36:21

I'm not as strong-willed as you and when

36:23

it comes to that . So when I first stopped drinking

36:25

, it was like I don't want to go out yeah genoa

36:27

was like you got , we got these holiday parties

36:29

, we got the christmas parties , we got the family parties

36:32

. I'm like I do not want to go

36:34

out because it's going to be

36:36

. I don't think people will understand how hard it is

36:38

, especially when you first are not drinking , how

36:40

hard it is to be around people who are drinking , because now you're

36:42

annoyed , you're upset , you want to go and I

36:44

said I need to be in monk mode until I

36:46

could handle my urges

36:48

or my cravings or understand like I don't need

36:50

to drink . So that was my

36:52

thing . I was like I need to go into my own

36:55

shelf a little bit . I mean , I don't think anyone

36:57

even noticed . But I was like no , I can't do that

36:59

or I can't do this , or if I do this , I'm not going to be there

37:01

for long . So I think there is a

37:03

, like you said , the type of person you have

37:05

to know yourself . I know myself and I know I

37:08

may not give into temptation , but

37:20

I don't want to of annoyance . Where it's like I might as well do it since I'm here . So that was like when I first stopped drinking . It was like I'm gonna

37:22

go into monk mode for a couple weeks , understand it and then it was like , okay , now it's only a problem

37:24

when I'm at a , a huge event . Now I could be around friends and family , it's easy . Now

37:26

that then the challenge was I go to the club . It's like , okay

37:29

, I don't want to be here . Number one . Number

37:31

two I need a drink . And number three was

37:33

like what can I add into my life ? That

37:35

kind of balances , some of those things too , and

37:38

I think balance is super important when you're trying to figure

37:40

this out .

37:40

And I think the thing for me that helped me I

37:42

never met someone who was more successful

37:45

or more fit to me in the way

37:47

that I deem to be successful . That forced

37:49

me to drink . Spiritual

37:51

people or people who have really good dial-ins

37:54

on their mental in a way that I do . They're

37:57

not because they're okay with you're not drinking . While

37:59

they're not . I don't need you to drink for me to have fun . Exactly

38:01

Normally , people who are in better shape than me

38:03

don't ask me to drink . So I started

38:05

realizing like , oh , it's a comfort thing

38:07

for the person because you're reminding

38:09

them that they're doing something they probably

38:12

shouldn't be doing . So

38:17

if you do it , it you're complicit better . You know what I mean and I , and the

38:19

thing is , I think these are . There's a I love this youtube video . It's by charlie munger

38:22

. It's called the 25 cognitive

38:24

dysfunctions of human beings . I

38:26

listened to it for about two weeks straight

38:28

and it literally outlines . It's

38:30

called , like the rest uh

38:32

. The reciprocity principle someone does

38:34

something for you . You somehow , at a later date , feel

38:36

like you owe them . The granny principle you say , hey

38:38

, I'm going to go run this five miles and then I'm going to eat the cookie

38:40

. It's like delayed gratification .

38:42

I definitely did that , so once oh , 100%

38:44

.

38:45

But once you start understanding that , like the way

38:48

people interact , it's just like business

38:50

, right ? They say people have to see something seven

38:52

times before they buy , right , like

38:55

, for example , with me . I don't want to sell

38:57

anything to anybody , but I like stuff

38:59

like this . If all my sale

39:01

copy or my sale content was this

39:04

, then I'm giving an opportunity

39:06

for people to to

39:08

listen in on the thing

39:10

. So I think the main thing is just really

39:12

dissecting , and you don't need to be . Sometimes

39:14

people say that you're overthinking . I think overthinking

39:17

is when people say you're overthinking , it's a

39:19

way for them to undermine

39:21

your thought process , and they could be right

39:24

. But there's certain situations where thinking

39:26

through things thoroughly is going to work

39:28

best for you long term

39:30

, and that's why , when you said

39:32

what you said about like going and drinking

39:35

, that was tough for me too . I started back

39:37

drinking again because I moved to la , I'm

39:39

vegan , I don't know anybody , and

39:41

I succumbed to the pressure . But in the midst

39:43

of me starting to drink again , I remember I was at rolling

39:45

live with one of my friends who was a dj and

39:47

he poured me this like big cup

39:50

of vodka . I took two sips

39:52

. It was like nah , but at that moment

39:54

I was like all right , all right , well , pick

39:56

your spot . So now , if I do drink , it's

39:59

either A on vacation or two

40:01

celebratory moments , and I always

40:03

leave early and sometimes I'm going to hit you with

40:05

the Irish goodbye . You might be like oh , we see your

40:07

eyes and now we don't see them it's gone Because y'all

40:09

know what I'm doing , because y'all are going to see it the next

40:11

day in the morning and whatever . It's not like your eyes

40:13

left us to go to another club , eyes left

40:15

because he's like this is a slippery slope . I

40:17

don't want to end up drunk . I don't want to drive drunk , I don't

40:19

want to leave my car here and have to Uber , and

40:21

I think that when you get to

40:24

a certain point , you build enough rapport with your friends and family

40:26

. They charge it to your behavior and not your heart

40:28

.

40:37

And if you , driving in the car , take a screenshot of your , your dashboard , tag us

40:39

. Tag us on instagram . Let us know you are tapping in so that we can repost you and show

40:41

you some love too .

40:41

You can tag us at more than a side hustle podcast or

40:44

at the heart your morning . We have two ways that you can tap

40:46

in with us . We appreciate it , thank you you

40:48

know what I'm saying .

40:49

Like , if someone doesn't pull up for me , I'm not like

40:51

thinking like , oh , they don't like me like that or

40:53

they don't want to be with me , it's

40:55

they're prioritizing themselves . They're

40:58

not thinking about you , so they're not not considering

41:00

, just not thinking about you . And once I figured

41:02

that out , I was like , oh , I'm in 100

41:04

control of every

41:06

decision that I make . I feel

41:08

. Very rarely do I feel out of control

41:10

in the sense of like how I show up in the world

41:13

man , this is .

41:14

This has been enlightening and I want I

41:16

want to go back to the business side of

41:19

what's the name of your fitness

41:21

company . What's the name ?

41:23

So I had a couple of names , and

41:26

I'm going to tell you why I had a couple of names , because it's just where I

41:28

was like where I am in my life , and

41:31

the name now is Wellness Nomad

41:33

. And the reason it's Wellness Nomad is

41:35

because I feel like I'm a constant seeker

41:38

of information when it comes to

41:40

wellness and nomads move and I

41:42

don't hold tightly to any ideas that I

41:44

currently have , because when I get new information

41:46

, I'm responsible to change and

41:48

what I'm trying to do now is build out

41:50

, educate people , not tell

41:53

people what to do , and I haven't been able

41:55

to figure that part out yet . I don't

41:57

want to tell you what to eat , I want to teach

41:59

you how to eat . So therefore , you

42:01

don't need me , hire me , to fire me

42:03

. I told your friend that you plugged

42:05

me with . In six months you shouldn't need me

42:07

anymore . I don't have any new tricks to tell

42:09

you Now . If you need me for the accountability , that's a different

42:11

story . I think that business

42:14

itself like it's like ethical

42:17

capitalism . I'm still trying to

42:19

nail down what that feels like and

42:22

I'm sure you see it right . There's trends that happen

42:24

online where you feel like

42:26

, oh , this is what's working . I got to do it . If

42:28

it doesn't feel pure to me , I don't want to

42:31

do it . That's why I have stints of where

42:33

I'm in my bag , I'm posting , I'm posting , I'm posting

42:35

, and then I feel myself like slipping

42:37

into the trends and then I'm like there's

42:39

no context with what I'm telling people

42:41

. It's an opportunity to get them to engage

42:44

with me , not give them fruit or water , like

42:46

I like to think of myself as a well operator

42:48

. I'm here with water if you need it , but

42:50

you don't have to take it . So I haven't

42:52

completely figured out how to juxtaposition

42:55

online with that , but that's

42:57

where my heart is could use you .

42:59

There are people out there that could probably not even just use you

43:01

. Use you in terms of the physical , it's just the mental

43:03

, the mindset shift , the changes just helping people be better

43:21

overall individuals , overall thinkers , when it

43:23

comes to their physical , mental , spiritual health

43:25

. But the problem is you're selfish

43:27

why are you so selfish ?

43:28

you know what . You know what that's that's ? That's

43:31

a great way to put it and I think

43:33

that and I'm gonna tell you where I'm selfish you remember the

43:35

twitter era back in 08

43:37

09 , where it was just reckless abandonment

43:39

and you said I deleted all my

43:41

tweets don't , even , don't even go back to that

43:44

but look like I had to change .

43:45

I changed my name to anthony hardzog . It was rockstar

43:47

before and that's why your name's still in my phone

43:49

still to this

43:51

day .

43:51

I changed that so you bring up

43:53

a very interesting point , but I came from

43:56

the era where we

43:58

were know-it-alls , before we knew anything , and

44:00

now we're in the eras where there's a bunch of false

44:02

prophets , a bunch of crocodile tears

44:04

, bunch of like , and my biggest thing

44:07

is I don't want someone to

44:09

see me and associate me with

44:11

other things that they see that is in

44:13

the realm of me . So that is , I guess

44:15

, quote unquote , why I'm selfish . Because I believe that if I'm is in the realm of me . So that is , I guess , quote unquote , why I'm selfish . Because

44:17

I believe that if I'm pure in heart

44:19

, pure in intention , it doesn't matter how people respond

44:21

to me . But I know that I have , uh

44:23

, I feel like a fiduciary duty

44:26

to be honest with people and

44:28

I feel like right now it's like , oh , if it's

44:30

working , is getting money . I'm like , nah

44:33

, that's not what it is . And I

44:35

think that what you and your wife

44:37

do , you found a beautiful way . I'm a super private

44:39

person . I don't show my daughter online

44:41

, I show my pops , for the man have

44:43

marriage , and I think that the full

44:46

roundedness is what

44:48

helps create the trust . Right , they

44:50

see that , okay , he is living his life , he's

44:52

not only just doing this thing . He doesn't

44:54

have skeletons in his closet

44:56

, no

45:03

, did he ? It's certain things that like , I think , for me , that makes me selfish , because I'm thinking

45:05

about how I show up to the world and I'm not thinking about the information

45:07

that I have to offer in a vacuum

45:09

, and I think that that is the piece that

45:11

you , saying that to me , struck something in

45:14

my heart that you're right , I am being

45:16

selfish and I'm not sharing these

45:18

things , because this is what I live and breathe

45:20

every single day . There's never

45:22

a moment where I'm not pouring into myself

45:24

, and it's moments where I want to share things with people . But

45:26

when you got nine to five , you feeling all motivated

45:29

, after your your workout , the creatine , caffeine

45:31

hit , but now you got rushed to go to work , yeah , so

45:33

I think it is necessary for me to prioritize

45:35

these moments of coming here to do this podcast

45:38

and let people know , like Rome wasn't built

45:40

in a day and it also didn't fall in a day . You

45:42

just need to stack more positive moments than negative

45:45

moments and you'll be okay . And

45:47

also , too , just understand that , like , be

45:50

intentional in the things that you do and

45:53

it'll eventually work out for you . You're

45:55

right .

45:57

This is my commitment I'm gonna , I'm gonna be less selfish . No one

45:59

. If they don't know you , they can't flow you

46:01

, and that's a that . That literally means that if

46:03

they don't know who you are , they can't support you . They

46:05

can't , they don't , they can't see you , they can't , they

46:08

can't be a part of your atmosphere . Now you may say I don't

46:10

want nobody a part of my atmosphere and I'm not

46:12

telling you to be a full blown content creator either

46:14

. But I'm just saying use the

46:16

moments , because we've mentioned a couple moments

46:18

where it's like , all right , you told me who you are

46:20

, but what else ?

46:22

Yeah , I would . I would be . I would say this , like I

46:24

do have people that I work with and

46:26

I literally enjoy the hell out

46:28

of it , Like I was telling him , telling you

46:30

, you know you asked me questions at

46:32

no point that I had to go on the Internet . I knew

46:34

all this stuff like it's very free-flowing

46:37

for me and one of the things is people

46:40

are excuse my French people tend

46:42

to be full of ish .

46:43

Okay , I don't disagree with you .

46:45

One of the biggest things is your unwavering

46:47

trust in me and me , knowing your work ethic

46:49

to

46:52

me . You were doing me a favor by letting me help you and that's how excited I was to help

46:54

you , and I think that it's just attracting

46:57

. It's like I don't want to be Walmart

46:59

, I'd rather be Neiman Marcus , like

47:02

this is a luxury service that you don't

47:04

have to buy . That's true this is not a catch

47:06

all , and I think that understanding

47:09

that life is math , right . So you

47:11

know , you give consultations , you're

47:13

a lot of like , oh I'll hit you back up

47:15

, and then you start training with people , A lot of excuses . And

47:17

my thing is that when I

47:20

pray , I pray for personality

47:22

traits patience , discernment

47:24

, strength , courage Because when

47:26

you pray for things , you don't know what the things you're praying

47:29

for , what's going to come with that . So , as

47:31

I'm , you know , rebuilding my business , I said

47:33

God put the right people that

47:35

I'm going to do the best for

47:38

in front of me , Right

47:41

, and I think that that's the thing it's like . If a thousand people saw me

47:43

, maybe one percent of those or

47:46

10 percent of those might be people

47:48

who I'm going to build a fruitful relationship

47:50

, and they can fire me in six months and

47:52

tell 10 other people . So now we have

47:54

a referral funnel going in and I think

47:56

the the the main thing

47:58

here is I

48:01

need to give and be okay

48:03

with the inflow

48:05

and then just sort through that , you know , and

48:07

I think that that's going to be the next

48:09

step of . You know , the piece of the business

48:11

for me . Is that all right . I just need to

48:13

show up be authentic . Don't look

48:15

at the likes , Don't look at the metrics , Don't

48:17

look at how many people . It's so hard because

48:20

it'll have you questioning

48:22

your self-worth because , like , for example , as

48:24

I mentioned , the Twitter days , I had

48:26

my shirt off era Shirt off

48:28

every day . Hennessy bandana

48:30

Like the first time I got

48:33

abs it was in 2013 , and nobody couldn't

48:35

tell me anything . You know what I'm saying Actually

48:40

2011 , but after I , you know , crossed and whatever . But at that moment

48:42

, now that I'm past that point , I'm like that's

48:44

not the most important thing . It might

48:46

sell , but I'd rather someone connect with me because

48:48

they're like man , he's still in shape , he runs

48:51

, he prays , he has

48:53

a corporate job , he's

48:56

co-parenting , like those are the things I want people to say , why they're hiring me

48:58

as a trainer . Not because look how ripped he is . You

49:01

know , and sometimes you don't get to choose why

49:03

somebody decide to work with you , you know

49:05

, because it could be the gateway . The abs could be the gateway

49:07

to the conversation . But I think the biggest

49:09

thing for me is that I feel like I have a fiduciary

49:11

duty to show up here in the

49:13

world and being on the internet it

49:16

will have you questioning that

49:18

the foo-foo stuff is doing well , the goofy

49:20

stuff is doing well and the legit

49:22

, the legitimate , valuable thing

49:24

, like , if I post a shirtless picture , lights

49:27

go crazy . Yeah , I post a movement

49:29

with a baggy shirt on , I get

49:31

like four people engaging with me and I could

49:33

.

49:33

That could be . It's tough , it could be demoralizing

49:36

. And then you see the people in the gyms

49:38

hanging from the light fixture with the

49:40

barbells and those

49:42

are stuff . That that's the stuff that goes right

49:44

, and I understand that . What would your ideal

49:46

client be ? To you , like what ? Give me

49:48

your avatar of the clients you're looking

49:50

for , because it might be someone . Listening to the podcast

49:52

, it's like I love what he's saying , I love

49:55

what he's about and I want to work around on a deeper level . I

49:57

want to weed out people who may not be for you

49:59

I don't want to weed out anybody actually you know what I'll

50:01

let him do that , but who would your ideal client

50:04

?

50:04

you know be my ideal

50:06

client it's like going on a date , yeah , like

50:09

my ideal client would be someone who

50:11

has the utmost respect for

50:13

themselves and they don't give

50:15

themselves opportunities to

50:17

weasel out unduly

50:20

, like if you're injured or

50:22

you , legitimately you know , something came

50:24

up that prevented you but just having

50:26

a commitment , being committed to your commitment

50:28

, meaning that if you say you're going to do something

50:31

, it would have to be hell and high water for

50:33

you not to do that , and what I've noticed

50:35

is it has to be someone who already has been

50:37

successful at something else in their life . Rather

50:40

it be your career , entrepreneurship , your

50:42

relationship , because , at the end of the day

50:44

, every time we lie to ourselves

50:46

, we lose self-respect . So I want the client to

50:48

have high self-respect for themselves and

50:50

don't speak in a deprecating way and don't make jokes

50:53

about yourself in a negative way , because this

50:55

is not a joke , I think a deprecating way , and don't make jokes about yourself in

50:57

a negative way , because this is not a joke . I think that when people be like , oh , ozzy , probably

50:59

lifting weights for breakfast , yeah , I am lifting weights for

51:01

breakfast , I'm not . Don't want people

51:03

to feel bad about their desire to reach

51:05

their goals , because if you look good

51:07

, you feel good and if you feel good , you

51:09

can do good , and I think that that

51:11

is what I'm looking for is , or

51:14

trying to be available for those people

51:16

who just need the additional information

51:18

. I spent , at this point , 15

51:20

years reading books . I have

51:23

fitness books , I've been certified

51:25

, I'm listening to fitness books , I'm watching

51:27

content all day , every day , because it's

51:29

legitimately something that brings me joy . I

51:32

feel like when people say the body

51:34

is a temple , you think if you're not putting something

51:36

to defile your body , but you're

51:38

defiling it by not using it to the full

51:41

capacity , that at which you can use it . And

51:43

I think that we sometimes do not equate

51:46

how well you take

51:48

care of yourself as a form of self-love

51:50

because you like , oh , you're going to eat that fried

51:52

chicken and that waffle and you're going to drink that

51:54

alcohol and you're going to pop bottles . You think that's like

51:56

somehow opulent . It's

51:59

not , and especially in our community

52:01

. Sometimes poor financial

52:03

decisions is a sign of wealth

52:05

, but when I see someone who has

52:08

money and they're not in shape

52:10

, they're

52:12

not serious to me . You might be good at getting

52:14

money , but that's one thing out

52:16

of a myriad of things that are also

52:18

important . So the thing to me is that someone

52:20

who's willing to be a student and a beginner . Your

52:23

trust for me shows me that , like when

52:26

, when , when the connection is there , it's

52:28

there . You text me any time of day

52:30

, as soon as the first moment I got .

52:40

I'm responding because I knew you were just coming . I can't be more invested than you are . You can't be sucking your teeth

52:42

because I told you to go for a run that you asked me to tell you . Can you imagine you

52:44

you hitting somebody else for advice ? You're like I don't really want to do . It's like why would you hit them up if you're

52:46

not going to take the advice ? Yeah , I'm not that type

52:48

of person , so continue , man .

52:50

I think that the the main thing for me

52:52

is that you people just really going

52:54

inside and thinking about that

52:56

why is so cliche , but it's

52:59

so important ? Like , at the end of the

53:01

day , if I tell someone I'm going to do

53:03

something , I got to do it because I said I'm going to do it . Now

53:05

, if I said probably , maybe that's different , that's

53:08

my way of saying it's probably not going to happen , but if things

53:10

work out , then I'll do it . So I think it's

53:12

just someone who's going to be committed and it's not

53:14

. I want to look good for a vacation . I

53:16

want to look good for the family reunion . I want

53:18

to look good for my high school . It's somebody who's like

53:20

yo , this is going to be a lifestyle for me

53:23

, because if I can add an

53:25

extra 7 to 10 , 15 years to my

53:27

dad life by being an inspiration to

53:29

him , if I don't make another dollar , I did God's

53:31

work . That's how I look at that . God's

53:36

work , that's how I look at that . So this is an opportunity for me is to help other people feel more

53:39

connected to their family , because we know it's a domino effect . Right , our daughters are

53:41

going to do what they see .

53:42

They see us running in the bag . Yo , daddy run

53:44

, daddy run . Exactly .

53:46

She's saying you run it so she don't got to go to daycare

53:48

. You know what I mean . Like the

53:50

thing is , I realized people do what they see

53:53

and we become what we intake

53:55

. So if you want to

53:57

, let's say , work with me or someone like me

53:59

, the best thing to do is text your

54:01

mom or your dad or your homegirl about every

54:03

single thing . Girl , I did 45 pounds

54:06

on a goblet squat today . Make it

54:08

a moment , celebrate

54:13

the journey so that you don't have to wait to a finish line to feel like you won

54:15

. And I think that the biggest piece is the mindset . Cliche as it might be

54:17

, but I already made a decision . I don't want

54:19

to pay bills , I don't want to prepare

54:21

food , I don't want to go to work , I don't want

54:23

to run , I don't want to lift weights . But

54:26

what's the alternative ? And sometimes it's

54:28

like , literally , your back is up but you got to make a backup

54:30

against the wall . Scenario in your mind Like I

54:32

am going to get where I want to be , no matter

54:35

what , and if I don't stop , I can't fail . It's

54:37

only when you stop or you quit you fail . Oh

54:39

, something came up . Listen , everybody can go for

54:41

a walk on their vacation . Actually walk that liquor off

54:44

, walk that Bahama Mama

54:46

margarita off . That's it , you know . So , just

54:48

knowing that , like you get ready to go

54:50

out of town

54:53

, you're like , okay , well , you don't want to sit on a plane and do this

54:55

, boom , boom , boom here , do this exercise .

54:56

Then , when you get back , do this Yep ran five miles

54:58

on that Friday before the flight .

55:05

But because that conversation was happening , you give me an

55:07

opportunity to help you . If I give you a generic plan

55:09

, now , that's your excuse to say , well , I was

55:11

unsure about this and I didn even teaching people how to use chat

55:13

GPT . If you want to share or type your question

55:15

in chat GPT and send it to me and I'll be like nah , that's something

55:17

to ask . Look , even now

55:19

, whenever someone's asking me a question , I'm like

55:21

, hey , these are the things you search for on

55:23

YouTube , because my goal is

55:25

not to keep you deaf , dumb and stupid , it's

55:28

to empower you to not need me

55:30

To make better decisions , a hundred percent

55:32

. So that's my avatar of my

55:34

client , someone who is committed

55:36

to being intentional with themselves

55:38

and are not going to let small

55:40

things block their big blessings . It's

55:43

one thing you walk in a room

55:45

and know that you're giving life everything you

55:47

have and I might be quoting the

55:49

wrong , but I think it was John in the Bible . He

55:54

said at the end of his life he just want to say I fought a good fight , that's all . That's all

55:56

I want to be able to say at the end of the day is that I

55:58

gave it everything that I had and my

56:00

intentions were pure . I sleep well

56:02

at night , not because I have everything

56:05

I want or not because I was successful . I'm literally

56:07

doing the best things that I think I have the

56:09

awareness around . If I don't do something , is

56:11

it because of awareness . It's not because I don't

56:13

want to do it or I can't do it . It's awareness , it meaning

56:16

that there wasn't a strong enough connection to the

56:18

thing and me actually doing it . So , if

56:20

a person is the least aware of what they're aware

56:22

and not aware of and they're operating from whatever

56:24

context or box they're operating from , now

56:27

you're in a position to exceed . You can't

56:29

get someone else's body , you can't get

56:31

someone else's time , you can't get someone

56:33

else's access or money , and it's

56:35

futile to think that you can't . So

56:37

if you have a certain body

56:39

type , how can I have the best body within

56:42

the confines of this body ? How

56:44

can I have the best mind in the confines of

56:46

my human experience thus far ? And it's just

56:48

asking these questions and I know

56:50

my , my shortcomings and

56:52

I know that when , when that iron

56:54

strikes , it strikes , I hate it

56:56

running . Once I started , I was like , oh

56:58

, this is why people do it and

57:01

sometimes that's what it takes . So

57:03

, like you said , I don't want to ask anybody

57:05

out , but this isn't a cheering squad . I'm

57:08

going to give you information that

57:10

you can use . A hammer can be used to build or

57:12

destroy , but you still have a hammer . You got something

57:14

. You

57:18

have an opportunity to change the way you see yourself going forward , and that's my only objective

57:21

. In all the fads and the ketones and the

57:23

vegan . Listen . Calories

57:25

in versus calories out , effort versus

57:27

excuses that's

57:29

what it boils down to . My dad lost 10

57:31

pounds when he was 60 years old .

57:34

I did my job , so

57:38

let the people know how they could find you , man , whether it's instagram or email or website

57:40

, so that they can reach out to you so , uh

57:42

, my email is wellnessnomad at gmailcom

57:45

.

57:45

My instagram is azanitis . Um

57:48

, please feel free to ask

57:51

me whatever questions you have , but

57:53

one thing I believe in reciprocity

57:55

if you ask me a question and

57:59

you know you're feeling motivated

58:01

, actually dm me when you're

58:03

not feeling motivated , because if you'll

58:05

do it when you're not motivated , when you're motivated , you'll

58:07

do it if you had , if you do it on a

58:09

monday when you're feeling good , and then by wednesday

58:11

I follow up . Hey hi , how's this going ?

58:15

Nothing , Nothing , right so this is

58:17

the thing .

58:17

Time is the one resource that we don't have , and

58:20

you don't have to have unwavering

58:22

trust in me . You can actually question everything

58:24

that I say to you , but the trick

58:26

is , by you going to try to prove me wrong

58:28

, you're going to get hit with the learning bug .

58:30

Let's go . Let's go Appreciate

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