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Today's story is one such
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tale on April
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10th, 1834. The victims of a
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famed serial killer were found in
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a story that is still incredibly
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popular today. So
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with a morning cup of murder. Marie
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Delphine McCarty or McCarthy, depending on the
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sources, was born on March 19th, 1787
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to a wealthy family
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living in New Orleans with
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a family background in the military and with many
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of the men owning land by 1794. Delphine family
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owned a large 1344 acre plantation in a premier
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location with famously wealthy
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neighbors and had a
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father who was negative as a Chevelier of
3:36
the Royal and military order of St. Louis
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had an uncle by marriage who was the
3:41
governor of the Spanish American provinces of Louisiana
3:43
and Florida and a cousin
3:45
who would serve as the mayor of New
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Orleans. It's safe to
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say that with all of this young
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Delphine from birth lived a
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charmed and extravagant life. Now
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in 1791, when Delphine was only four years old,
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something called the Haitian Revolution happened,
4:03
and when it did, it made slaveholders
4:05
in the southern US and Caribbean
4:08
extremely worried that resistance and rebellion
4:10
would happen in their homes next.
4:14
In fact, a few decades before, one
4:16
of Delphine's own uncles was murdered by
4:18
his slaves, and the Revolution
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inspired quite a few conspiracies and coups
4:23
all around the country. But
4:25
instead of treating their slaves more
4:27
kindly, even if it was
4:30
only to try and save their own skin, many
4:32
began treating them more harshly out
4:34
of the sphere of insurrection, and
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began abusing these men, women,
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and children more than ever
4:42
before. All the while, as
4:44
was unfortunately all too common,
4:47
white men in power, like those living
4:49
under Delphine's own roof, had
4:51
relations with free women of color
4:54
or women of mixed race, and fathered
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quite a few children along the way.
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In fact, according to the sources, Delphine's
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father, uncle, cousins, and
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many other associates contributed greatly to
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the development of biracial free people
5:09
of color, adding to
5:11
the population with women who, though
5:13
referred to as free, were
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called concubines by the legal
5:17
system. While Delphine,
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at her young age, did not
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directly contribute to either the abuse
5:24
or the relations, this
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was the background with which she was raised,
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and, as the
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world soon found out, might have
5:32
been what helped shape her into the monster
5:34
that she became. In
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the year 1800, Marie Delphine McCarty, just 14
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years old, married
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what would be her first husband.
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Having just recently lost his own wife, 35-year-old
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Ramon Lopez E. Angulo de
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la Condalaria married
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the much younger Delphine in a
5:56
private ceremony, and, less than
5:58
five years later, made her both a mother
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and a widow. In
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1804, Don Ramon appointed the position
6:06
of Counsel General for Spain in
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the territory of Orleans, was
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called to appear in the Corps of Spain. But
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while en route with his young pregnant
6:15
wife, he suddenly died
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while in Havana. Just
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a few days later, Delphine gave birth to
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their daughter and the pair returned to New
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Orleans on their own. Then
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in June of 1808, now around the age of 21, Delphine
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married Jean Blanc, a prominent
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banker, merchant, lawyer, and legislator,
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and together the pair would have four
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children. Now around the time
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that she entered her second marriage, Delphine's
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mother passed away and divided her
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estate between her three children, meaning
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Delphine walked away with a little over
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$33,000 and
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a downtown plantation on the bank of the
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Mississippi River that came with 52 slaves, livestock,
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and equipment. With
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some sources claiming Jean Blanc entered the
7:04
relationship with dollar signs in his eyes,
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seeing Delphine as more of a cash
7:09
cow than a wife, his
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new father-in-law gifted the young couple
7:14
with yet another plantation and additional
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slave. Meaning Delphine,
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in a world where women often weren't
7:20
worth much, was now worth
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well over $2 million in
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today's money. Splitting
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their time between the townhouse and
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their plantation, Delphine and her husband made
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quite the lives of themselves and
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became prominent members of New Orleans
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society. But less
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than a year after the Battle of New Orleans,
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Delphine lost her 50-year-old
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husband and at the age of
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just 28, became a single
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mother of five and a
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widow twice over. She
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was also a woman left to settle her husband's
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estate, which at the time of his death, consisted
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of debts that totaled over $100. $60,000.
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That's over $2.5 million in today's
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money. Forcing
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her to renounce their community property to
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the courts and forfeit all their mutual
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assets in order to protect her personal
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ones, over the next 10 years,
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Delcine was forced to auction off most of
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her husband's properties, including
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her enslaved persons, in
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an effort to dig herself out of his
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debts. The wealth she
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came into the marriage with was now
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incredibly depleted, but before she
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could get herself into any more trouble,
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her father passed away in 1824 and left his children
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with quite the substantial inheritance. With
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that, Delcine was back in business,
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just in time to meet 25-year-old
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physician Leonard Louis
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Nicholas LaLaurie. So
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she was considered a, quote, older woman at
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the age of 38, was twice
8:55
widowed and had five children to care for.
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She and Leonard began a relationship, and
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at some point she found herself pregnant with
9:03
his child outside of wedlock. A
9:06
scandal, to be sure, Dr.
9:08
LaLaurie and Delcine sat down
9:10
with a notary and negotiated
9:12
their marriage contract. Worth
9:14
over $66,000 and not wanting to see
9:16
herself in a similar position as she
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was after the death of her second
9:20
husband, the pair sorted out
9:22
their finances and properties, and
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when finished, headed over to the cathedral to make
9:27
it legal in the eyes of the Catholic Church.
9:30
A wedding date that was on paper
9:32
rolled back six months to try and
9:34
avoid the scrutiny of having their child
9:36
before marriage. The union,
9:38
however, was not a happy one,
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and according to letters written by
9:43
friends, the pair were known to,
9:45
quote, fight, often separate, then return
9:47
to each other. Some
9:50
of these letters, according to the sources,
9:53
even included some of the
9:55
first mentions of Madame LaLaurie's
9:57
treatment of her many slaves.
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a cruelty that has gone on
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to last much longer than the
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lives of anyone involved. Having
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purchased a property at 1140 Royal Street, in 1832,
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Madame L'Allerie built an opulent
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two-story mansion there, complete with
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an attached slave quarters where
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she, her husband, and two of
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her daughters lived and maintained their
10:22
position in upper New Orleans society.
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Then, in November of 1832,
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Delphine had enough of her most
10:30
recent marriage and petitioned the first
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judicial district court for a separation
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from bed and board from her
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husband. Claiming he quote
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treated her in such a manner as
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to render their living together unsupportable, which
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her children corroborated, though
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it seems like her request was granted,
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Dr. L'Allerie was present inside
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their Royal Street home on
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April 10th 1834, when
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a fire blew the lid off
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of Madame L'Allerie's many horrors.
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On that day, a fire began inside
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of the home and those sources each
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report different versions of the discovery. One
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thing was absolutely sure. The slaves
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that were able to leave the home
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with their lives were each scarred and
11:16
marked in ways that went beyond what
11:18
was typically seen during this time period.
11:21
Seven in total were rescued from
11:24
what was described as truly deplorable
11:26
conditions, taken out in stretchers
11:28
and delivered to safety. And though accounts
11:31
have been embellished over time, most say
11:33
that their bodies were covered in scars
11:36
and quote loaded with chains.
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According to a local judge, neighbor, and one of
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the first to arrive at the fire, when
11:44
most first gathered at the L'Allerie home,
11:46
they began work trying to rescue the
11:49
family's many valuables from the fire. However,
11:52
all of that changed when the
11:54
fire, which originated in the kitchen
11:56
slash outbuilding, began to spread and
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a few concerned citizens went to
12:00
check on the slaves' quarters and
12:02
told the judge that they were in danger.
12:06
Asking Madame Lallérie's permission to remove
12:08
her slaves and take them
12:10
to safety, the woman
12:12
reportedly responded, quote, there
12:15
are those who would be better employed
12:17
if they would attend to their own
12:19
affairs instead of officiously intermeddling with the
12:22
concerns of other people. Before
12:24
he could ponder her words, the fire
12:26
spread and he gave the orders to
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break down the doors. While
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the level of depravity depends on the source,
12:34
with even the tamest story being gruesome
12:36
in its own right, when
12:38
those citizens walked past the threshold and
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saw what was inside, their
12:42
focus shifted from helping the Lallérie
12:44
family save their valuables to
12:47
a mob forming to destroy the
12:49
contents of their mansion in retaliation.
12:52
What exactly inspired their anger? Well,
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inside the room were, quote,
12:57
horribly mutilated individuals. Some
12:59
of which were, quote, suspended by
13:02
the neck and their extremities stretched
13:04
and torn, with the
13:06
judge himself saying that the slaves were
13:08
chained and, quote, exposed to
13:11
parish in conflagration. One woman
13:13
was even allegedly found wearing an
13:16
iron collar and others chained
13:18
by heavy irons and forced to walk
13:20
around with the weight. Days
13:23
after the fire, it was reported that
13:25
one of the slaves who had been
13:27
removed from the home did not survive
13:29
all that they were forced to endure
13:31
and that bones of other victims were
13:33
excavated from the family's courtyard, one
13:36
of which allegedly belonged to a
13:38
young girl who Madame Lallérie chased
13:40
straight out a window and let
13:42
fall to her death. Allegedly,
13:45
the girl's only crime against her mistress
13:47
was snagging a knot while brushing
13:50
her hair. There were also
13:52
accounts of Madame Lallérie chaining her cooks
13:54
to the stove, and some
13:56
sources say that when police and fire
13:58
marshals arrived, and found this
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70-year-old woman chained there, she
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said she started the fire as a suicide
14:05
attempt because she feared that she
14:07
was going to be punished. She
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also said that the slaves who were
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taken to the uppermost room never made
14:14
it back down. And
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it appears that her own daughters were not
14:19
immune to her wrath, often
14:21
beaten when they made attempts to free the
14:23
slaves in their mother's control. With
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tales of drilled holes in skulls,
14:29
unnatural bone-breaking positions, men
14:31
stripped of their clothing and chained to
14:33
walls, eyes gouged out,
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fingernails pulled from the roots, festering
14:39
wounds, sliced skin, lips
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sewn together, intestines pulled
14:44
out and knotted around the waist,
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and some of the most unthinkable
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torture ever heard. Again,
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it's difficult to truly
14:53
know what happened inside of that home.
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Though some of the claims have
14:58
been discredited and some elaborated upon
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and made even more gruesome than before, it
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is difficult to suss out what is fact in
15:06
fiction, especially considering that
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Madame Delphine Lalléry still
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appears in modern works of
15:13
fiction, which effectively can rewrite
15:15
pieces of history. Regardless,
15:17
though, it was clear that this
15:19
woman treated her slaves in such
15:22
a horrific way that it completely
15:24
stunned an entire community who realized
15:26
that there was a serial killer
15:29
masking herself and living amongst their
15:31
highest society. In
15:33
total, 12 deaths were documented at
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the Royal Street Mansion, so
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the causes of deaths were not mentioned
15:40
and in some cases impossible
15:42
to discern. These deaths
15:44
include that of a woman named Bon,
15:46
a cook and laundress, and
15:49
her four children, Juliet, who
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died at 13, Florence,
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who died at 10, Jules,
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who died at just six,
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and Leon, too. who was
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just four years old. According
16:04
to the sources, at some point, the rumors
16:06
about the treatment of her slaves, though they
16:08
had no clue what was truly going on,
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spread enough that a local lawyer was
16:13
dispatched to remind the madam of the
16:15
laws for the upkeep of slaves. During
16:18
his visit, though, the lawyer found
16:21
no evidence of wrongdoing or mistreatment,
16:23
meaning the true scope of her crimes may have
16:26
never been revealed, if not for
16:28
that fire. Wanting
16:30
justice for those she tortured and killed, when
16:33
the officials went looking for madam lollery,
16:36
she was nowhere to be found.
16:38
That's because with one loyal servant
16:41
still on her side, either loyal
16:43
or completely terrified of her, the
16:46
guilty woman managed to slip through the mayhem, get
16:49
into her carriage, and ride off with
16:51
stunned citizens trying desperately
16:53
to hold onto the horse and snatch
16:55
her from the inside. The coachman
16:57
used his whip to fend them off, escaped
17:00
with his mistress, and took her to a schooner that was waiting
17:02
at the docks. While
17:05
she sailed off to some unknown
17:07
location, he arrived back at the
17:09
home, where the angry mob
17:11
destroyed the carriage and stabbed the horse
17:13
to death. Rumor and
17:16
speculation about her whereabouts spread throughout the
17:18
city, and eventually she managed
17:20
to settle in Paris and
17:22
was later joined by the rest of her
17:24
family. It was here that
17:26
on December 7, 1849, the
17:29
woman who caused so much pain and suffering
17:33
quietly passed away inside of her
17:35
home. There are some differing accounts
17:37
on what exactly happened to her body, and
17:40
to this day, there is argument
17:42
amongst some claiming that
17:44
we don't really know the true
17:46
location of her remains. The
17:49
house of horrors on Royal Street was burned
17:51
down by a mob in 1834 and
17:54
remained in ruins for the next four years
17:56
before being rebuilt into what you see today
17:58
on Ghost of the stores throughout the
18:01
city. In a
18:03
place where the supernatural and paranormal
18:05
have become their bread and butter,
18:07
the story of Madame Lallérie remains
18:09
New Orleans most famous ghost story.
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