0:01

I hope and pray that civilized

0:03

nations everywhere will back

0:05

this fight, because Israel's

0:07

fight is your fight. Because

0:10

if Hamas and Iran's axis of evil win,

0:13

you will be their next target. That's

0:16

why Israel's victory will be your victory.

0:19

But make no mistake, regardless

0:21

of who stands with Israel, Israel

0:24

will fight until this battle is won,

0:26

and Israel will prevail. This

0:29

part of a defiant speech yesterday from

0:32

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu,

0:34

where he rejected calls for a ceasefire

0:37

and his resignation. We'll have more

0:39

of his comments and get a live report from

0:41

the Israel-Gaza border straight ahead. Meanwhile,

0:44

aid for Israel is a top priority

0:47

on Capitol Hill, but the two chambers

0:49

have very different plans for delivering

0:51

it. We're going to go through that potential funding

0:54

fight. Also ahead, an update on

0:56

the expected testimony from Donald

0:58

Trump and his three oldest children

1:01

in his civil fraud trial, plus

1:04

why a tentative new deal for autoworkers

1:06

is a win for the union and

1:08

President Biden, and the continued

1:11

support for actor

1:14

Matthew Perry with his friends, co-stars

1:16

now releasing a statement following his passing.

1:19

We'll read for you their emotional

1:22

comments. Good morning and welcome to

1:24

Morning Joe. It is Tuesday, October 34th.

1:27

Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween.

1:29

Yeah. Along with Joe, Willie,

1:31

and me, we have the hosts. Is that it? Where

1:33

are your kids going as? No. Willie, you

1:35

have to do the Today Show thing, so. I can't tell you. Don't

1:38

tell anybody. I can't tell you. You've got to

1:40

watch us until 10. I'm waiting with bated breath. And then go watch.

1:42

Yeah. Watch the West Coast feed of the Today Show. What

1:44

are your kids doing? The youngest is going as Shoeless Joe Jackson. It's got

1:46

an old school, white socks, jersey. So cool. Wow.

1:59

I think we have on his phone. And

2:02

then the oldest is, you know how many drive

2:04

by like a car wash or car dealership, they have

2:06

those things. Yeah, he's got a deployable

2:09

thing. So that's not really good. Not

2:11

bad, not bad. I'm going

2:14

as a tired person. Yeah. That's

2:16

what I'm gonna do this year. Yeah, it's a staple for me. Poor

2:18

thing. That's good. Ralph, any, I've

2:21

been telling my daughter I wanna take my four

2:24

year old grandson trick or treating at Trump

2:26

Towers, I wanna wear the Donald Trump costume.

2:29

Oh. Maybe

2:31

a judge's run. Yeah. Yeah, my daughter

2:33

was tired of that moment.

2:36

One of my daughters says Polly Pocket.

2:38

Yeah. Cute. You guys know what

2:40

Polly Pocket is? I don't know what that'll look like. Yeah, anyhow.

2:43

Former chairman of the Republican National Committee,

2:45

Michael Steele is with us as well. Good

2:48

to have you, Michael. Let's

2:50

jump right into the news. Israeli Prime Minister

2:52

Benjamin Netanyahu is rejecting the

2:54

growing international calls for a ceasefire

2:57

in its war against Hamas. Instead, at

3:00

a press conference yesterday, Netanyahu asked

3:02

other nations support

3:04

for Israel's fight. Just

3:07

as the United States would not agree to a ceasefire

3:10

after the bombing of Pearl Harbor or

3:12

after the terrorist attack of 9-11, Israel

3:15

will not agree to a cessation of hostilities

3:18

with Hamas after the horrific attacks

3:20

of October 7th.

3:22

Calls for a ceasefire

3:24

are calls for Israel to surrender

3:26

to Hamas, to surrender to

3:28

terrorism, to surrender

3:30

to barbarism. That

3:33

will not happen. This is

3:35

a time for war, a war for

3:37

a common future. Today,

3:39

we draw a line between the forces

3:41

of civilization and the forces of barbarism.

3:45

It is a time for everyone to decide where

3:47

they stand. Israel

3:49

will stand against the forces of barbarism

3:52

until victory. I hope

3:54

and pray that civilized nations

3:56

everywhere will back this fight. Because-

4:00

Israel's fight is your fight.

4:02

Netanyahu also defended his own

4:05

actions surrounding the war. His

4:07

political opponents have called for his resignation

4:10

over his failure to prevent the

4:12

October 7th attacks, and some have also

4:14

accused the prime minister of punishing

4:16

innocent civilians by cutting

4:18

off electricity, food, and other supplies

4:21

to Gaza.

4:23

The only thing that I intend to have

4:25

resigned is Hamas.

4:27

We're going to resign them to the dustbin of

4:29

history. That's my goal. That's

4:32

my responsibility. That's what I'm leading the country

4:34

to do.

4:35

Not a single civilian

4:37

has to die.

4:39

Hamas merely has to let them go to

4:41

the safe zone that we created

4:44

in southeastern Gaza Strip.

4:47

There's a safe zone there. Not

4:49

a single civilian has to die. But

4:52

Hamas is preventing them from

4:54

leaving, keeping them in

4:56

the areas of conflict. So I think that

4:59

you should direct your questions

5:01

to Hamas. But I can tell you one thing. We're

5:03

going out of our way

5:05

to prevent civilian casualties. So

5:09

Willie, I think for many, supporters

5:11

of Israel, right message

5:13

in many ways, Wong Messenger, certainly

5:16

him defending himself in

5:19

the lead up to the attacks. That's

5:21

not a message that the overwhelming

5:23

majority of people in Israel

5:26

believe.

5:27

There's no way they could believe that. He

5:30

left Israelis completely

5:32

vulnerable to the most vicious attacks

5:34

since the Holocaust. So again, I think

5:36

it is wildly inappropriate for him

5:39

to.

5:40

But of course, it's what he's going to do,

5:42

but to somehow try to

5:46

entangle Israel's survival

5:49

with his own. But again, many

5:51

things he said, true. We

5:54

wouldn't have talked about a ceasefire on December 8,

5:57

1941 or on September 12. 2001. Also

6:02

very true that Hamas

6:05

has hidden behind civilians their

6:07

entire career. We

6:10

said this the day after the attacks.

6:12

We said when a Jew

6:14

dies, that's a victory for Hamas.

6:17

When a Palestinian dies, that's

6:20

a victory for Hamas. They are just

6:22

excited about Palestinians dying,

6:24

maybe even more than they are

6:26

when Jews die because they consider

6:29

that a victory. That's why they hide in

6:31

hospitals. That's why they hide in

6:34

apartment buildings. That's why they hide behind

6:37

civilians. So again,

6:39

I think most supporters

6:41

of Israel would agree with Benjamin Netanyahu

6:43

in many ways, except the Benjamin

6:45

Netanyahu part. He was responsible

6:48

for that and not just directly by

6:51

Israel sleeping and the Defense Forces

6:54

sleeping and him obsessing over

6:56

wars against the

6:58

courts instead of war against

7:01

Hamas. And also because

7:04

what he did for well over a decade,

7:06

doing everything he could to

7:09

avoid peace talks that

7:11

would lead to a two state solution. He was so

7:13

obsessed with the West Bank and so obsessed

7:16

to allowing religious extremists

7:19

to bulldoze down Palestinian

7:21

homes

7:23

for political purposes

7:26

because he knew that would help him with

7:29

the far right, the far right

7:31

religiously, politically, that

7:33

he took his eyes off the terrorists who

7:36

promised to kill Jews, took

7:38

his eyes completely off of

7:41

it for political reasons. So yeah,

7:43

that speech last night, a little discordant

7:46

for a lot of people and I'll say, including myself,

7:48

that are fierce defenders of Israel. You

7:51

can't be a fierce defender of Israel

7:53

and listen to what Benjamin Netanyahu

7:55

said and go, yeah, yeah, that sounds about

7:57

right because 80% of people inside

7:59

of Israel. Israel think he's responsible. Well

8:01

that's the thing, in this moment of national unity

8:04

inside of Israel, there is dissent about

8:06

the man leading the country right now. Big dissent.

8:09

And you hear it in the questions he's asked, even in those

8:11

news briefings. He is a man who's built

8:13

his reputation as a national

8:15

security hawk. It's the man who can protect

8:18

Israel from all the aggressors that surround

8:20

it every minute of every day. And on

8:22

October 7th, that all fell to pieces.

8:25

The fact that people could walk across

8:27

the border effectively and murder a couple

8:30

thousand civilians, that fell away

8:32

for him. So he's vulnerable to that. And his argument

8:35

now, Joe, is that there'll be a time to

8:37

talk about who's responsible. There'll be a time

8:39

for that right now. We have to crush Hamas.

8:42

Well, and Jonathan, I wouldn't

8:44

want to put off that conversation. He did. Why?

8:47

You don't want to thank people that allowed the

8:50

attacks to happen on October 7th to

8:52

lead this war? No. Because

8:54

he put clowns around him. My friends

8:56

in Israel that told me for a year that

8:59

he was taking out the pros and bringing

9:02

in idiots and clowns. What does that sound

9:04

like? Yeah. What does that sound

9:07

like? It sounds like Donald Trump in the United States.

9:10

And again, they didn't tell me this on October

9:12

8th. They were telling me this

9:14

in June and July. They were telling

9:16

me it's a

9:19

certain kind of show over there. And

9:23

I had warnings time

9:25

and time again, people saying time and again, he's

9:28

dividing the very people who

9:30

protect our existence. And

9:32

so now he's going out and Willie's right. You know, he's

9:35

built himself up as this hawk through

9:37

the years. He will be remembered

9:40

as the man who was responsible for the greatest

9:42

slaughter of Jews worldwide since

9:44

the Holocaust. I'm

9:46

not saying that. Israelis

9:49

are saying that. The ones who were

9:51

there, the ones who lost sons, the ones

9:54

who lost daughters, the ones who lost

9:56

kids, who lost parents,

9:58

who lost grandparents. They're the ones

10:00

saying it. That's why he can't go out

10:03

and answer questions from Israelis. That's

10:06

why the cabinet ministers won't go out

10:08

to the people because they know they're

10:11

responsible. Yeah, his legacy

10:13

will be that he took his eye off the ball. The number

10:15

one job from Israeli prime ministers to keep Israeli citizens

10:17

safe. His focus was the battle with the courts. His

10:20

focus was the settlements. His focus was appeasing

10:22

the far right members of his coalition. And

10:25

he lost the, you know, he lost

10:27

the ability to keep those Israelis safe. And

10:29

he's facing a lot of questions now. There's real sense

10:32

in the Biden White House that his days politically are numbered.

10:34

They suspect he will keep his position through this first wave

10:37

of the war. But at a certain point, full

10:39

suggests Israelis will want a new leader. So

10:41

let's go right to the Israel-Gaza border. NBC

10:43

News chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel

10:46

is there. Richard, you can weigh in on this topic of Prime

10:48

Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and also the

10:50

latest on the Israeli push inside

10:53

Gaza.

10:56

So the prime minister's

10:58

career is definitely in trouble. There is anger

11:00

building against him every time he speaks

11:03

to local press or foreign press. He's

11:06

facing questions whether he should

11:08

resign, whether he will accept responsibility

11:11

for failing to anticipate

11:15

the attacks of October 7th and failing

11:17

to respond in a timely manner

11:19

because these attacks that took place on that

11:21

day took place over

11:24

the course of several hours where Hamas

11:26

was able to go from community to community,

11:29

butchering people, taking hostages. And

11:31

now some Israelis are saying that he is doing

11:34

this campaign to both attack

11:37

Hamas but also to try and save

11:39

his own political career, potentially

11:41

at the expense of the hostages. And

11:43

there are every night in Tel Aviv vigils

11:46

by the families of the hostages. They're

11:48

trying to stay apolitical.

11:50

They're trying not to criticize

11:52

the government, but they are angry with Netanyahu.

11:55

And they say, we one day, when this is over,

11:58

we will express our opinions. about

12:01

the prime minister and what needs to be done. But

12:04

in a major development, the first

12:06

hostage has been freed by

12:08

Israeli troops, Israeli troops operating in Gaza.

12:12

A young Israeli woman, she was taken

12:14

by Hamas from a guard tower in a kibbutz.

12:17

Twelve soldiers were killed in that

12:19

attack and several others along with

12:21

her remain at hostage.

12:24

But inside Gaza, one thing that

12:27

cannot be mentioned, cannot be, it's

12:29

important to mention, he talked about a safe zone in

12:31

southern Gaza. Our reporters in

12:34

Gaza said there's nothing like a safe zone.

12:36

That Israeli strikes continue all

12:38

across the Gaza Strip, including

12:41

in the south. That the idea that there

12:43

is some safe haven where Palestinians

12:45

can go and not come under attack is

12:47

simply...

12:49

All

12:51

right, NBC News chief foreign correspondent

12:53

Richard Engel. But Richard, thanks so much for reporting

12:55

as always. So a bit of good news that the 19 year

12:57

old soldier was released, the hostage,

13:00

but 240 remain according

13:02

to the Israeli government. It's just such agony

13:04

for

13:04

the families. We'll be returning back

13:06

to this story throughout the four hours of morning.

13:09

Joe, let's get to politics here

13:11

at home. In his first major move

13:13

since becoming speaker of the House, Mike

13:15

Johnson has taken the bipartisan goodwill

13:18

of providing aid for Israel and

13:21

launching a fight with President Biden

13:23

over his signature achievement while

13:25

setting up a collision course with the

13:28

Senate. House Republicans released the details

13:30

of their aid package for Israel yesterday.

13:33

It includes $14.3 billion in emergency funding. But

13:38

here's the catch. The

13:40

bill rescinds that same amount

13:43

of IRS funding from the Inflation

13:46

Reduction Act. The act

13:48

is the major climate health care

13:50

and tax law that President Biden signed into

13:53

law last year. The GOP bill

13:55

also focuses solely on Israel

13:58

despite President Biden's request for...

13:59

aid to both Israel and Ukraine.

14:03

The measure is set to be considered by the

14:05

Rules Committee when the House returns tomorrow

14:07

and a vote in the full chamber could

14:09

happen later this week. Speaker Johnson

14:12

spoke about the bill to Fox News in

14:14

an interview set to air later this

14:16

afternoon.

14:19

We understand what's at stake here and I

14:21

hope that everyone will put politics aside,

14:23

get that bill over the line. We're

14:25

going to have payfors in it. We're not

14:27

just going to print money and send it overseas because

14:29

the other concern we have that is over writing this

14:32

is our own strength as a nation which

14:34

is tied to our fiscal stability and that's

14:36

a big problem that we have as well. We have to keep

14:38

it in mind as we try to help everyone else.

14:40

If the bill passes the Republican

14:43

Control House, the IRS

14:45

provisions are all but guaranteed

14:47

to be rejected by the Democratic-led

14:49

Senate and the White House setting

14:52

up a clash over how to approve the

14:54

aid to Israel and

14:55

of course leaving Ukraine out of the

14:57

conversation. Of course leaving Ukraine out, Michael

14:59

still though. I mean it's

15:02

remarkable, remarkable

15:05

how

15:07

tone deaf, how tone

15:10

deaf my former party is. They

15:12

are actually putting billionaires

15:17

between the protection

15:20

of Israel and the United

15:22

States Congress. They are slashing

15:24

funding

15:25

for the IRS to go after

15:28

billionaire tax cheats.

15:30

Let me say that again. They're taking

15:33

the money that

15:36

was passed, they're taking the

15:38

money and they're

15:41

gutting the IRS's ability

15:43

to go after rich billionaire

15:46

tax cheats and they think

15:48

this is the solution. I would say I've got a

15:50

solution. Why

15:53

don't we just have a billionaire tax?

15:56

Like all the parts of

15:58

the

15:59

Trump tax cuts

16:01

that were giveaways to billionaires and

16:03

multinational corporations. Why

16:06

don't we take that money from the multinational

16:09

corporations that got massive windfalls

16:11

and did all of those stock buybacks

16:14

and take all of the billions that billionaires

16:16

got from the Trump tax cuts.

16:19

Why don't we take that money and

16:22

help the Israelis

16:24

instead of having the Republicans in the house

16:26

try to help billionaire tax

16:28

cheats? It's really, it's breathtaking Michael,

16:31

it's breathtaking.

16:33

You know at this point it is

16:35

actually beyond breathtaking

16:37

because you just realize just

16:40

the craft political nature of it.

16:42

You know all of the soft tones

16:45

and the new look

16:47

of the speaker belies the

16:49

fact that at the end of the day that

16:52

they're going to try to do the offset

16:54

game. Now we're concerned about pay for it,

16:56

now we're concerned about the cost of things, now

16:59

we're concerned because oh some people in our

17:01

base are upset that we're sending money overseas.

17:04

Where those weren't concerned before they

17:06

spent eight trillion dollars under Donald

17:09

Trump. To your point go

17:11

back and look at all of that money and

17:14

go into that budget that you set up

17:16

that really allowed for

17:18

the wealthiest of the country to benefit to

17:21

say okay we're going to need some of that back. If

17:23

you're really that concerned this idea

17:25

of setting up a fight with the president right

17:28

as the critical juncture

17:30

of Israel, Ukraine

17:34

and just the general thrust of where

17:36

the global setting is wrong

17:39

to me is an unnecessary fight but

17:41

this is what it's all about Joe. This

17:44

is not about the seriousness of

17:47

budget policy, the seriousness

17:50

of economic and fiscal health

17:52

of the country. It is about okay

17:55

you want money for Israel then

17:57

pay for it out of the program that we disagree.

17:59

with, but we voted for

18:02

it in the first place. Yeah,

18:04

I mean, it's fascinating, Rev. We

18:07

got this Mike Johnson guy who was

18:10

part of a Congress

18:12

that spent more money and

18:15

drove us deeper into debt over

18:17

a four-year period than any

18:19

Congress in the history

18:23

of the United States of America. In fact, Mike

18:25

Johnson and Donald Trump

18:27

together ran up debt more

18:30

in four years than America did

18:32

in its first 210 years of existence. That's

18:37

how serious Mike Johnson was. Oh, we've

18:39

got to pay for it. We got to pay back. Did anybody,

18:41

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't follow

18:44

the news. I don't have to in the job, I'm

18:46

in. But did anybody ever hear Mike

18:48

Johnson holding up a bill under

18:50

Donald Trump because it wasn't paid for?

18:53

And all of the $8 trillion, no, he's

18:55

just up on the door. He

18:57

said, here, here,

18:59

just drive the trucks through

19:02

of debt, $1 billion, $2 billion,

19:04

Mike Johnson's $3 billion, $4 billion, $5

19:07

billion, $6 billion, $7 billion, $8 billion,

19:09

Mike Johnson and Donald Trump

19:12

gave America in debt. And

19:14

now suddenly he won't even help

19:17

Jews protect themselves.

19:19

It is so gross. And

19:22

making it even grosser, he says, this

19:24

is what we're going to do. We'll protect

19:26

the Jews if you protect the billionaires.

19:29

We want billionaire tax cheats

19:32

to get away with stealing more

19:34

money from the American people. So

19:36

we'll let you protect the Jews, Joe Biden,

19:39

but you have to let us protect

19:42

our donors, our billionaire donors that

19:44

are tax cheats.

19:47

I've never truly heard

19:50

of a dumber plan to

19:52

start a speakership than

19:55

to put Jews life in

19:58

danger. So

20:00

you could protect billionaire tax

20:02

cheats.

20:04

And he knows, he knows

20:07

this is never going to pass. Cause

20:10

they're not going to let billionaires continue

20:12

to cheat on their taxes. He

20:14

knows this. And yet that's

20:16

what he said.

20:18

Well, we'll let you Joe Biden protect the

20:20

juice. We'll let Democrats protect the juice. But

20:23

you've got to let us Republicans protect

20:26

billionaire tax cheats. It's

20:29

just so grotesque. It is

20:31

not only politically dumb and

20:33

grotesque. This is a guy who professes

20:35

to be this ardent practicing

20:38

moral Christian. So you're

20:40

saying that we are not going

20:43

to vote to protect, not only Israelis,

20:46

we are still having 240 people

20:50

hostage there while we have this debate. And

20:52

the debate is we're going to take care of our billionaires,

20:56

or we're going to not

20:58

give the money that you want for Israel.

21:00

And by the way, democracy, we're

21:02

not even going to discuss Ukraine. Take that off

21:05

the table of dealing with fighting

21:07

to protect democracy in terms of

21:10

Ukraine and Russia. This

21:13

is his opening. I mean, I didn't even get to

21:15

Ukraine.

21:16

He's basically said, let Vladimir Putin

21:18

have his way. That's right. Vladimir

21:21

Putin have his way. And if Hamas wants to have its way

21:23

with the Jews, well, if we

21:25

can't protect our billionaires, then

21:28

let Hamas have their way with the Jews. Let the Ukrainians

21:30

have their way because we know he's

21:33

lying through his teeth when he talks about

21:36

like, what, what, we have too big of

21:38

a debt because he didn't care

21:40

when he and Donald Trump were running up the largest debt

21:43

in American history. It's their debt. It's a debt

21:45

that they created. So

21:47

now you want to deal with your debt

21:50

that you and Donald Trump, who

21:52

is clearly his hero, that

21:54

you created

21:55

by saying hostages,

21:58

don't worry about it. I'm not worried about.

21:59

the safety of Israelis and

22:02

I'm not going to even deal with democracy to

22:04

Ukraine. We've got to protect our billionaires

22:08

and you take care of the Israelis and

22:10

the hostages and Putin

22:12

can have his way. This is his opening

22:15

act as the speaker of the House. And this is the new

22:17

speaker, Jonathan, saying, look, we're defunding

22:19

the IRS, just like we chanted and talked

22:21

about, but he's doing it as a condition

22:24

of giving support to Israel. We should point out

22:26

to our viewers, this isn't how this works, typically,

22:29

that emergency funding or aid to an

22:31

ally. You can negotiate the number up and

22:33

down that's reasonable and responsible.

22:35

But to say, hold on a second, you're

22:38

not getting that unless I get what I want on

22:40

a pet domestic issue of taking money

22:43

away from the IRS. It's a

22:45

new thing for a new speaker. It truly is. And

22:47

we're hearing buzzes like paid for as an offset. That's not what

22:49

this is. This is two things. First of all, it's another effort

22:52

to try to undo the debt ceiling deal that President

22:54

Biden struck with Kevin McCarthy earlier in the year. It's

22:56

to try to up the undo part of the Biden

22:58

signature legislation from a year ago, which Republicans

23:01

obviously opposed. It's also politically foolish

23:03

to Joe's point, not just on national security issues,

23:05

which of course, that is paramount, making

23:08

you endangering Israeli lives, Ukrainian lives,

23:10

but also even in terms of political gambit. We

23:13

know the Republicans are supporting Israel. A

23:15

lot of them have had real questions about Ukraine. Just

23:17

make them separate. If they had simply said, hey, just

23:19

vote on Israel, then you put Democrats in a box where

23:21

are you going to actually oppose Israeli funding because

23:23

there's not Ukraine attached? They didn't do that.

23:26

Instead, they connected to this in the IRS

23:28

defending billionaires. It is a political

23:31

map practice. And certainly

23:33

it also White House just gives Democrats an easy

23:35

way out. They can oppose it. No problem.

23:38

The White House just throws up their hands and say, this is not okay. We have to go

23:40

back to the drug wars. That's what I don't understand, Michael,

23:42

still that they're so stupid that they would

23:44

actually,

23:45

again, they would let the hostages just

23:48

languish.

23:49

They would let Joe Biden be the champion of Israel

23:52

even more. Joe Biden wanting to get

23:54

money to Israel and them

23:56

blocking it, basically telling

23:59

Israel

23:59

Jews to go to hell unless

24:02

they get something again, it's mind

24:04

boggling. It's

24:06

mind boggling. No Joe Biden, we're

24:09

not we're not going to help you help Jews and

24:11

help Israel. Unless you

24:15

let billionaires cheat on their taxes,

24:17

unless you've got the IRS so much

24:19

that your billionaire friends like

24:22

that Republicans, billionaire friends can

24:24

cheat on their taxes. It's such

24:26

malpractice. They're basically saying

24:28

to Joe Biden,

24:30

you side with Israel, we'll

24:32

side with tax cheats.

24:36

I'm sorry. I'm not good at this

24:38

politics thing, but

24:40

I don't think that's going to pull well

24:43

in Wisconsin.

24:45

It's not, but again, Joe,

24:47

this is not geared towards your

24:49

typical voter in Wisconsin or Michigan

24:54

or anywhere else in the country. This is

24:56

a key towards a MAGA base

24:59

that has been hyped up to believe

25:02

one thing about Ukraine

25:04

and another about Israel funding.

25:08

Not so much the Israeli story, the

25:10

backstory about the hostages and the

25:12

attacks that everyone is like,

25:14

Oh my God, no. But when it comes

25:16

to the funding, you've got this, this

25:19

emerging narrative that somehow

25:22

to the point of everyone at the table that

25:25

the what's in balance is

25:27

support for Israel versus supportive

25:30

for the IRS. I'm

25:32

sitting here going, what? What

25:35

in the world? And

25:38

how does that work? Does

25:41

Israel have an IRS we didn't know about?

25:43

I mean, I don't know.

25:45

So Americans are going to sit there and scratch their

25:47

heads over this, but they don't

25:50

care. I mean, you know,

25:52

to the rest point, this is the opening

25:55

conversation that the new speaker wants to

25:57

have with the president of the United States.

26:00

in the middle of a crisis is let's

26:02

elevate our concerns about the IRS

26:07

and the 80,000 employees that

26:09

were added to their to their ranks

26:12

for what purpose oh I don't know collecting

26:15

taxes from

26:18

billionaires and everyone else who tries to

26:20

cheat the system to pay for all the

26:22

stuff that they claim we need

26:24

to pay for so this

26:26

is incongruent with everything that

26:29

we know in the from the past Joe

26:31

about how you

26:34

negotiate this type of

26:36

request from the president and as

26:38

Willie said the numbers go up and down you we

26:41

all we all know how that works

26:43

okay you want 130 billion that

26:45

will give you 120 okay

26:47

have that conversation but then to say

26:50

well you get the money only if you cut the

26:52

IRS you just look stupid

26:55

yeah

26:55

they do great start all right and cold

26:58

and harsh

26:58

yes still ahead we're going to tell you about

27:00

the new steps being taken by the Biden White

27:03

House to combat the major uptick

27:05

in anti-Semitic incidents on college

27:07

campuses since the hanlosteiro

27:09

boy it is bad Willie

27:11

it is so awful on college

27:13

campuses every day there's something new for Jewish

27:15

kids unbelievable

27:17

plus what Matthew Perry's friends

27:20

co-stars are saying about the loss of

27:22

their beloved castmate we're

27:24

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27:52

became the front line of a culture war

27:55

the younger

27:55

teaching generation has been pushing

27:57

that our kids can be any gender they want to

27:59

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28:01

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I can say

29:02

yes, and follow up and do

29:04

it. When I die, I don't

29:07

want friends to be the first thing that's

29:09

mentioned. I want that to be the first thing that's mentioned.

29:12

That

29:12

was the late actor Matthew Perry just last

29:14

year, detailing how he wanted to be remembered

29:17

beyond the hit show Friends, instead for helping

29:19

people struggling with addiction. Yesterday,

29:21

the five surviving cast members of Friends

29:24

paid tribute to their co-star in a joint

29:26

message, in part, we are also

29:28

utterly devastated by the loss of

29:30

Matthew. We were more than just castmates. We are a family.

29:33

There's so much to say, but right now, we're

29:35

going to take a moment to grieve and process this

29:37

unfathomable loss. In time,

29:40

we will say more as and when

29:42

we are able. The 54-year-old

29:44

shot to fame playing Chandler Bing on the

29:46

hit 90s sitcom, but his life was not

29:48

without hardship. The actor was open about his struggles

29:51

with drug and alcohol addiction. In 2013, he received

29:54

the Champion of Recovery Award from

29:56

the White House. So

29:58

far, the Los Angeles County Medical Center examiner

30:00

says Perry's autopsy report is inconclusive.

30:03

The agency is waiting on toxicology results.

30:06

It could take three to four months. Meanwhile

30:09

in Manhattan the building where they shot

30:11

the exterior of the apartment for

30:13

friends has become a de facto memorial

30:15

for the Hollywood star with fans leaving flowers

30:19

outside. Such a sad story. We

30:21

knew he had been struggling for many many years. He

30:23

talked about watching himself

30:26

on friends and saying I just see a guy

30:28

who's lost because I know it was happening in his life.

30:30

Yeah. Off the screen. We don't know

30:32

why exactly he died the other day but such

30:34

a sad moment for one of the stars of the biggest

30:37

shows in the history of TV. Yeah and and

30:39

and I do hope that he will be

30:41

remembered for for the

30:44

work fighting recovery. The

30:46

work and fighting recovery and and

30:48

and the work trying to help other people. Mike

30:51

I know when I was

30:53

young and I saw somebody who had

30:56

addiction problems you know you looked

30:58

at and we all looked at them as as

31:00

problematic and different. As

31:04

you get older and you I mean I have

31:06

friends that struggled with addiction some who didn't

31:08

survive. You understand

31:11

it. Every day they wake

31:13

up is a battle and what really really

31:16

hit me and made sense

31:18

to me. It might not make sense to people that have never

31:20

been around people that have had real

31:22

addiction problems but when he said I'm saying

31:25

this to help other people

31:27

I may not be able to help myself. Maybe

31:30

I can't take this maybe I can't

31:32

take this advice myself sometime but I'm

31:34

trying but I can

31:37

help other people. It is it is

31:39

a daily battle. Some days you

31:41

win some days you lose and and

31:43

some days unfortunately there's tragedy

31:46

like the tragedy that visited him. You

31:48

know one of the untold stories in America Joe

31:50

is that what happened here we're talking about

31:53

right now is a universal

31:56

in this country. Nearly every family

31:58

in this country either has been touched

32:00

by addiction or knows a

32:02

family member, cousin, whatever who also

32:05

has been touched by it. Matthew Perry's

32:07

gift was he spoke to this

32:10

strongly, consistently. A

32:12

lot of people who have been addicted over the years

32:14

to things they want to hide it, they want to run from

32:17

it, they don't want any publicity about

32:19

it, they're in recovery every six months

32:21

or so, every other couple of years. It's

32:23

a universal in America, a

32:25

country addicted to addiction. Matthew

32:28

Perry spoke to this. And

32:30

Jean, it does, I'm sorry, we're about

32:32

to talk about Jill Robinson. Well,

32:36

it doesn't matter really, does

32:38

it? What your background is, what

32:40

your faith is, how

32:43

much, you know, this isn't like a question of

32:45

do you love Jesus or do you love alcohol

32:47

or do you, are you a faithful Christian

32:49

or an observant Jew or

32:51

do you know, drug? It

32:54

is often, it is a battle, those two

32:56

things existing together at the same

32:58

time and just a terrible,

33:01

terrible, I know you've ministered to people

33:03

throughout your adult

33:05

life that have had trouble with addiction.

33:08

And family members I've had

33:10

to deal with. And the thing that I

33:13

most admired about Matthew is he owned

33:15

it and said that I have a problem because

33:18

everyone that I've dealt with, whether they've

33:20

been stars in entertainment or cousins,

33:23

they all justify it. It's because

33:25

of this. It's not really bad, but I

33:28

was caused by my environment or was caused

33:30

by

33:31

once you own it, then you can

33:33

begin to heal. You can't, you cannot

33:36

be healed unless you first admit

33:38

that you're sick. And Matthew taught the world

33:40

that I'm sick, right? I'm dealing

33:42

with it, but I'm sick. And I think

33:44

you can never heal people. Even Jesus

33:47

couldn't heal people until they first

33:49

said, I have an infirmity. Right. And

33:51

as long as you deny the infirmity, you'll never

33:54

heal. He talked about it. And

33:56

I know that there are people who are struggling with addiction

33:58

right now that are going back. looking

34:01

at those videos, his tragedy opening

34:03

some doors right now for people who

34:05

are having problems, loved ones who have friends

34:08

who have problems or children who have problems. And

34:10

I'm sure they're looking at what he said

34:12

and it is going to resonate and is going

34:14

to have an impact. I

34:17

brought up Gene, a guy that

34:19

we just love, a

34:21

member of our family. We

34:23

feel like he's our brother. We're

34:26

so grieving for Gene this morning. Yes, we

34:29

are. Our hearts are broken for

34:31

our dear friend and really member

34:33

of the Morning Joe

34:34

family, Gene Robinson, and

34:36

his family. On Saturday,

34:38

Gene's life of 45

34:41

years, Avis Collins Robinson,

34:44

passed away after a brave battle with

34:46

cancer. A talented

34:49

visual artist, she was known for her

34:51

paintings and abstract quilts

34:53

that explore America's tensions

34:56

of a race, gender, oppression, and

34:58

history. Avis captured some

35:00

famous faces as well. From

35:03

former president Barack Obama to

35:05

guitar legend Jimi Hendrix, Avis's

35:08

portrait of Abraham Lincoln

35:10

has been on display in Ford's

35:13

theater, the lobby, since 2009. Avis

35:17

Collins Robinson grew up in Montgomery

35:19

County, Maryland, where she graduated from the University

35:22

of Maryland. She went on to earn her

35:24

master's degree in economics and finance

35:27

from Harvard and Golden Gate

35:29

University. And in 1979, when

35:31

Gene got his first

35:34

job at the Washington Post, the couple moved

35:36

to Arlington, where Avis would

35:38

serve as the deputy director of

35:40

the Office of Atmospheric Programs

35:43

at the EPA. In 2003,

35:46

she shifted her focus

35:48

to philanthropy, creating the Washington

35:51

Metropolitan Scholars Program,

35:53

which pairs academically gifted African-American

35:56

students with elite universities.

35:59

provided millions of dollars in

36:02

scholarships. On social media,

36:04

Gene called Avis the

36:07

love of his life, writing, she was

36:09

an extraordinary woman and

36:12

my profound grief is tempered by

36:14

gratitude that she allowed

36:16

me to share her extraordinary

36:18

life. Avis

36:21

Collins Robinson was 70

36:22

years old.

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37:22

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37:48

Crushed Corey Seager patting

37:50

the Rangers lead over the Diamondbacks last night with

37:52

a two-run home run into the right field.

37:54

He's part of a three-run third inning to

37:57

help keep Texas

37:58

perfect on the road this past week. season.

38:00

Max Scherzer pitched three scoreless innings before

38:03

he left with back tightness. Four

38:05

Texas relievers did their part to keep Arizona's

38:07

offense quiet for just about the

38:09

entire game. The Rangers also

38:12

lost slugger Adales Garcia who left

38:14

in the eighth with tightness on his left side.

38:16

After Pinger injured himself on a swing

38:19

an MRI will determine the severity of

38:21

that injury. The Rangers rebound

38:23

from that 9-1 loss on Saturday night

38:25

with a 3-1 victory over the D-backs. Texas

38:28

now leads the series two games

38:29

to one. Game four is

38:32

tonight in Phoenix.

38:34

Meanwhile the Rangers come back victory in game one

38:36

a great game on Friday night did

38:39

though mark the least watched World Series

38:41

opener in history. The x-ray

38:43

innings game averaged just 9.35 million viewers across Fox

38:47

platforms. That's a decline from the previous

38:50

low in 2020 between the Dodgers and Rays.

38:52

That game was played during the pandemic with

38:54

Arlington as the neutral site of

38:57

the game. Not a huge surprise given

38:59

this matchup but it doesn't mean it's not a great

39:01

series and a great that first game particularly

39:04

was a classic. Yeah and

39:06

Mike it's a shame that this year where

39:09

with the rule changes and and

39:11

the speed of the game going that that

39:15

well that they were not getting more viewership

39:18

for the Diamondbacks and the Rangers

39:20

but not a real surprise is it?

39:23

No it's not it's not but you know at the

39:25

end of the day it's baseball so you watch

39:27

it because it's baseball not everybody's going to be inclined

39:29

to watch these two teams they're two good teams

39:32

but they're not great national teams you

39:34

need it's like it's like in football or

39:37

any other sport really but baseball much more

39:39

so you need one of the big power teams.

39:41

You need the Yankees or the Tigers. Thanks

39:44

for saying that. You

39:45

need a national team in the World

39:47

Series to attract well the Phillies you know the Phillies

39:49

would have been. Even the Phillies

39:51

and the Rangers would have been would have been

39:54

explosive or the Diamondbacks and yeah

39:57

I don't know Dodgers. Yeah,

40:00

that wouldn't work. I

40:02

mean, TV ratings were up all year, but they're

40:04

not going to be for this matchup. But there's still some good storylines

40:06

here. I mean, Corey Stieger is a postseason

40:08

hero. He did it in 2020 for the Dodgers. He's doing

40:11

it again now. It's a young, fun

40:13

Diamondbacks team that seems to be here ahead of schedule.

40:16

Another postseason injury for Max Scherzer. Keep selling.

40:19

Yeah, and I'm trying my best here. But we've been watching

40:21

it. The boys and I have been watching it. I

40:24

do think we're destined for a long series, though. Six, seven

40:26

games. All right. Who would answer

40:28

the Diamondbacks with

40:29

that would be a good 2001 rematch? Let's

40:32

beat the Yankees again. Yankees. That's

40:35

the fourth place. They weren't even sniffing the world. No, we

40:37

weren't serious. Our teams were. You and my dad

40:40

were the only two people. I stand by. In 2001.

40:43

Your dad, too?

40:44

Yeah.

40:45

What? I said seriously, dad? No, I

40:47

know. My dad was cheering for

40:50

the Diamondbacks. I said I

40:52

thought you liked Lee Greenwood, man. What's

40:55

up? Put yourself in October of 2001. I

40:58

know. If you don't live

41:00

in Maricopa County, there's no justification

41:02

for cheering for the Diamondbacks. I loathe

41:05

the Yankees. And even at

41:07

times, I cheered for the Yankees

41:09

in 2000. I've defended this on the

41:11

show many times. At the time of National Promote, you

41:13

stay true to who you are. And

41:16

if I had rooted for the Yankees, the Terrace

41:18

would have won. And I rooted for the Diamondbacks. They

41:21

also won. I think you've got that backwards.

41:23

And the Lions won last night, right? They did?

41:26

Yeah, pretty good. The Raiders. And it

41:28

was by two touchdowns. Lions are

41:30

such an exciting team. I

41:32

love their coach. Oh, he's amazing, Hamill. Amazing. And

41:35

they're just a great dynamic team. I remember last

41:38

year, they started out like one in five. And

41:40

we were looking at them and going, this is a great team.

41:42

How are they one in five? And sure enough, they've

41:45

taken off. I remember a time when the Lions

41:47

were the pivotal team in the Thanksgiving Day football

41:50

game. How hella wise nationally, it would be Lions

41:52

and Bears. Every year. Yeah,

41:56

but not the Bears. Not the Bears. But they're running

41:58

away with that division. and

42:01

Vikings just lost their quarterback, her cousin's injury. So,

42:03

yeah, Lions, and here we go. There's Jared Guff. Throw

42:05

a touchdown pass to the rookie tight end. How about Goff,

42:08

man? Goff has been underrated

42:10

his entire NFL career. That guy has really

42:13

come through. Yeah, he had

42:15

trouble in that Super Bowl against the Patriots defensive years

42:17

ago. Belichick played some mind games on him,

42:19

but he's bounced back nicely with the Lions. He's a good

42:21

quarterback for them, and that's an explosive offense. And

42:23

you're happy for that city. Oh my God.

42:26

You hope it keeps rolling for them. Plus they got a rage.

42:28

Yeah. Now, it's great.

42:29

But what a crazy

42:32

week in the NFL, though. I mean, and

42:35

the Niners.

42:37

I thought three weeks ago, the 49ers were

42:39

going to be undefeated. Yeah. Brock's struggling

42:41

a little bit, right? Brock is struggling. A little bit. And

42:43

the Chiefs have beaten the Broncos, I think, 16 straight

42:45

times. They got crushed. You know, the Chiefs,

42:48

man,

42:49

they have been – even in their

42:51

victories,

42:52

they haven't looked sharp. They've been struggling.

42:56

It's very strange. But, I mean, that's a

42:58

team that can struggle and figure out a way to

43:00

win, end up in the Super Bowl again.

43:02

But, man, they have been struggling. They

43:05

depend so much on their quarterback. I mean,

43:07

he's there. He's much of their team. He's a

43:09

good guy to depend on if you have to. Oh my gosh. But,

43:12

yeah, there's something wrong there. He's physically, I

43:14

think. I mean, seriously, Taylor Swift

43:16

can't do it all himself. Oh my gosh. He

43:19

can't do it all. He wasn't there. He's going to need to help the

43:21

moms. Yeah, exactly. Willie, do you want to weigh

43:23

in on the worst football game I've ever played? I was hoping

43:25

it would come up. And, by the way, I'm not even going to argue

43:27

with you. I was not even embarrassed to

43:29

watch the game. It was so dreadful. And, it

43:31

was the fans and the rain. It was just

43:35

like, how the Giants handed that game to the Jets,

43:37

I will never know. Alex, you just reminded

43:39

me, and you know it's really bad when

43:41

they walk off the field and they confiscate

43:44

their helmets in their pants. Okay. Yeah, that's

43:46

a good plan. Burn them. All right. They burned

43:48

them out in the parking lot. We never played

43:50

this for you. What do they call that? Mount Life Stadium?

43:53

Sure. Is that what it is? No. It's

43:55

dreadful. Can I still go with the Meadowlands?

43:57

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For

43:59

sure.

43:59

God, you know, why didn't they put the stadium

44:02

in New York? I know we would have had a little traffic,

44:04

but yeah. I don't care. They were going to plop

44:06

it down where Hudson Yards ended up being too

44:08

much traffic. Okay, a lot of news to get to.

44:10

Still ahead. We're going to get back to our big stories

44:13

of the day. Also ahead, a closer

44:15

look at the rise in anti-Semitism

44:17

connected to the Israel-Hamas War.

44:19

And we'll be joined by a prosecutor in

44:22

New York State who says the terrorist

44:24

attack on Israel was a big

44:26

factor in her decision not to

44:28

seek reelection. Morning Joe,

44:31

we'll be right back.

44:37

The rise around the world.

44:40

NBC News White House correspondent Gabe Gutierrez

44:42

has more.

44:43

The U.S. is condemning

44:46

this pro-Palestinian mob that stormed

44:48

an airport in Russia looking for Jews.

44:51

Hundreds of men, some carrying banners with anti-Semitic

44:54

slogans, rushed onto the tarmac, searching

44:56

for Israeli passengers. Around

45:00

the world, demonstrations calling for a ceasefire

45:02

in the Israel-Hamas War. In Pakistan,

45:05

some protesters burned Israeli

45:07

and American flags. How concerned

45:10

is the White House that these demonstrations

45:12

will spiral out of control?

45:13

Don't you believe

45:15

in the right of peaceful protest? Nobody

45:18

wants to see peaceful protest turn

45:20

violent or turn dangerous. In

45:23

the U.S., the Biden administration is announcing

45:25

new steps to fight anti-Semitism and

45:27

Islamophobia on college campuses,

45:30

including federal agencies improving coordination

45:32

between campus law enforcement and state

45:35

and local counterparts. At Columbia

45:37

University... There are Jewish

45:38

students who do not feel physically

45:40

safe on campus. At Cornell,

45:43

police are guarding the Center for Jewish Living

45:45

after the university says a series of horrendous

45:48

anti-Semitic messages threatening violence

45:50

were posted online.

45:52

Junior Molly Goldstein is the Center's president.

45:55

What's the sense of fear like on campus right now?

45:59

absolutely terrified people don't

46:02

don't know what to do with themselves and whether they should

46:04

say early campus the anti defamation

46:07

league reports since the war began anti-semitic

46:09

incidents in the u.s. are up nearly four hundred

46:12

percent from the same period last year

46:14

as the manicures of stabbing a six-year-old palestinian

46:17

american boy to death near chicago pleaded

46:19

not guilty muslim leaders are reporting

46:21

an uptick in islamophobia nationwide

46:24

with the council on american islamic relations

46:26

citing nearly eight hundred complaints this

46:29

month incidents like this one at

46:31

american university where palestinian

46:33

i.t. specialist says someone slit a note

46:35

under his door threatening go back to

46:37

where you came from

46:39

you might get lucky with a missile and

46:41

meteor a la sooner this

46:43

whole eerie feeling to go over my

46:45

heart that's

46:48

it because he's gave goodie and supporting willie

46:50

we we've been we've been talking about it for some

46:52

time and and obviously talked about are

46:55

concerned at it for for not

46:58

only jewish students but muslim students right

47:00

now the out taking any feminism worldwide

47:04

just off the charts whether you're

47:06

in russia whether you're

47:08

in london and you have jews in

47:10

london now who were afraid they

47:12

show any signs of their face

47:15

because they're so targeted and

47:17

and we talked about it for on college campuses

47:21

outrageous how and

47:23

and i've heard from for

47:26

too many people have children college

47:28

campuses uh... that

47:31

jewish kids

47:34

they've disappeared a lot of them have disappeared

47:37

at times afraid to go out because

47:39

the anti-semitism on college campuses

47:42

now this is always been a problem in

47:44

america just pass especially

47:46

in the elite universities anti-semitism

47:49

we've talked about i've talked about it for

47:51

the last thirty years anti-semitism college

47:54

campuses specially elite campuses

47:57

cot campuses like columbia have been

47:59

his

47:59

Historically horrendous

48:03

and it's being exposed now the leaders have

48:05

got to step up They've got to do something

48:07

and they haven't by and large They've given mealy-mouth

48:10

responses to most of what we're seeing on these

48:12

campuses and and you're right It's not just the

48:14

stuff we report that we see we hear it

48:16

anecdotally all kinds and it's not the

48:19

veiled Antisemitism we've become accustomed

48:22

to and we understand has now just become

48:24

killed the Jews died out just saying

48:26

it out loud the justification

48:28

on college all over college campuses

48:31

all over the justification

48:33

of shooting babies and cribs beheading

48:37

Israelis burning Grandmothers,

48:40

I just be worst things in the

48:42

world and on college campuses

48:46

They have people chanting and Jews that

48:48

this is what the colonization Looks

48:51

like some of the professors by the way people who

48:53

work for the university There's been this whole

48:55

culture over the last 10 15 years

48:58

of emotional safety for students, right?

49:00

You're in a classroom you hear an opinion you disagree

49:02

with you feel unsafe and they put

49:05

you in a safe space with coloring books You can take

49:07

care of that bubble they bubble

49:09

wrap everybody except

49:11

Jews

49:13

You can be okay with Jews getting slaughtered

49:16

and suddenly they

49:17

go no we don't use bubble wrap in the campus, right?

49:20

Yeah, so now you have actual safety

49:22

being threatened of Jewish students at campuses

49:24

across the country And we're not seeing nearly

49:27

enough done to protect them. Nothing. I

49:29

mean we really aren't it's it's the

49:31

stories The stories

49:34

firsthand that I'm hearing rev are outrageous

49:37

and I want to commend you again I've talked about

49:39

your friendship and your relationship

49:42

with Jonathan Greenblatt and

49:44

the ADL and Man

49:47

you were making good trouble this weekend

49:49

in Tallahassee and that you delivered

49:52

a powerful sermon

49:54

To some college students tell us

49:56

about it. We are I was there because

49:59

of the governor's decision Santas and what he's

50:01

doing and Ed Blom and what

50:03

he's done against affirmative action. But then I met

50:05

with some students and I told them

50:08

the kind of blatant anti-Semitic.

50:10

This is at FAMU, right? This is at FAMU,

50:12

they were homecoming and we have a chapter

50:15

of National Action Network there. And

50:17

I was saying the blatant anti-Semitism,

50:20

anti-Jewish statements and

50:22

Islamophobia I'm seeing in some

50:24

campuses around the country. If they

50:26

were saying this about us blacks, we'd be

50:28

marching. Why are we having laryngitis

50:31

here?

50:32

When we challenge Jews, challenge

50:34

Muslims to stand with us with George Floyd

50:37

or whatever the case may be, you cannot

50:40

have a sliding morality. Either

50:42

you are morally outraged, period, or

50:45

you're not. Which is why I stood up

50:47

when the Israeli

50:49

attacks happened

50:51

and a lot of people said, wait a

50:53

minute, let's see what happens. What do you mean let's see what happens?

50:55

They killed 1,300 people, women,

50:58

children beheaded. What am I waiting

51:00

for? And then later I can disagree

51:03

with Netanyahu, which I do disagree

51:05

with. One has nothing to do with the other. You don't have

51:08

the moral standing to stand for yourself

51:10

if you don't stand for others. And some of this

51:13

is not disagreeing with Netanyahu

51:15

policy to say kill the Jews. It's

51:18

not about whether you agree or not with

51:20

what the settlements

51:21

are, which all

51:23

of us have different opinions. To say you're

51:25

going after Jews or to say that Muslims

51:27

ought to go see Allah earlier. This

51:30

is an outrage and people that are not

51:32

Jewish and not Muslim need to stand up and

51:34

be a man. And we've been really straight here. I

51:37

know I have, I don't want to speak for anybody else, but

51:40

I believe we need to fiercely

51:43

defend Israel's right to protect

51:45

themselves. There's 15 million Jews worldwide.

51:48

There's not a safe Jew in the world

51:50

today. Israel created because

51:52

six million Jews slaughtered

51:55

during the Holocaust and laryngitis

51:57

is a great word. And where is that happening right

51:59

now? Now Mike, I just got

52:02

back from LA. Let me tell

52:04

you Hollywood.

52:06

Like if an acorn falls from a tree

52:08

the wrong way, then

52:11

you know, actors will get out and speak

52:13

about it. Right. Writers

52:15

will get out and speak about it. Suddenly

52:19

silence has fallen over Hollywood.

52:21

Suddenly

52:23

people don't want to get political. They don't

52:25

want to get political about babies being shot

52:27

up in their cribs or burned

52:30

in their cribs or are

52:33

kids going to a music festival and facing just

52:35

seriously

52:39

killing swuds reminiscent

52:42

of the Nazis in Germany, going

52:44

into other European countries,

52:47

silence in Hollywood.

52:49

Part of it I think is in the coverage.

52:51

Uh, and it begins on day one, two

52:54

weeks ago, uh, when 1400 people

52:57

were slaughtered, uh, right

53:00

outside the Gaza strip by Palestinians.

53:03

And it's, they came to kill Israelis.

53:06

No, they didn't. They came to kill

53:08

Jews. That's why Hamas

53:10

is in business to kill Jews,

53:13

not Israelis in Atlanta.

53:16

There's a center for communicable diseases

53:19

where the government spends a lot of money studying

53:22

diseases. Anti-Semitism

53:24

is the oldest disease we live

53:27

with and we live with it each and every

53:30

day. And stunningly in

53:32

this day and age, it's grown explosively

53:36

on college campuses, Mimi

53:38

everywhere.

53:40

You wonder how did they get into

53:42

college?

53:43

How did they, with these beliefs, how

53:46

did they get into college? Because

53:49

the presidents of the college can't even

53:51

condemn it. Did you see how long

53:53

it took? Five tries at Harvard, five

53:56

tries. Harvard

54:01

to say raping teenage

54:03

girls and shooting kids

54:05

at concerts and burning babies

54:09

is terrorism and it's unacceptable.

54:12

Five tries.

54:14

Mike mentioned Mimi joining

54:16

us now, district attorney for New

54:18

York's Westchester County Mimi Rocha and

54:20

Mimi you announced that you will not

54:23

run for reelection in 2024 and you decided

54:26

the Israel-Hamas War is one of the reasons.

54:29

You wrote in part this, as I

54:31

approached the decision whether

54:33

to run for a second term, my thoughts have been

54:36

occupied in recent weeks by the terrorist

54:38

attack on Israel and the aftermath

54:40

which has profoundly and personally

54:44

impacted me in ways I did

54:46

not expect. Can

54:49

you tell us more about this decision and

54:51

that factor in your decision?

54:53

Absolutely. This is

54:56

a very hard decision. It's a hard

54:58

decision to step away from public service.

55:01

But what happened on October

55:04

7th, that massacre has

55:07

brought up a feeling

55:09

in me and I know I speak for

55:11

so many Jewish

55:14

people and non-Jewish people who have

55:16

just been shocked frankly

55:18

at the level of anti-Semitism

55:20

that I knew was there but

55:22

to see it rise

55:24

up above the surface the way that it has in

55:26

this country. My father, not

55:29

some distant relative, my father escaped

55:31

the Nazis

55:32

and the pogroms

55:33

in 1940. So I am here because he was one of the lucky ones

55:40

and so many of us see

55:43

what is happening now

55:44

and I understand now how the Holocaust

55:47

happened. But what's different now is

55:49

first of all we have allies. We

55:52

have people who are willing to speak

55:53

out for us and I thank you for that,

55:55

Rev.

55:56

And to all of you who are shining a light

55:58

on this. We have people

56:00

in government who are there to protect

56:03

us. And I need

56:05

to find a way to be able to use my voice

56:08

in this time in that way. And

56:10

I've been the kind of DA that I wanted

56:13

to be. I think I've made

56:15

the change I wanted to make lasting change,

56:17

but also served with integrity. And

56:20

running for reelection while you're

56:23

a sitting DA, it

56:26

wouldn't allow me to be the kind

56:27

of prosecutor I know to

56:30

be, which is to keep politics out

56:32

of it. It's something we talk about on this show all

56:33

the time, right? How do we keep outside

56:36

influence and politics out of the

56:38

criminal justice system, right? Trump influencing

56:41

DOJ. That's something we talk about all the

56:43

time. I have managed to keep

56:45

outside influence away from my decisions.

56:48

That's how I know to be a prosecutor. And

56:50

so I feel really good about what I've

56:52

done and what we have accomplished

56:54

in the office and I think it's lasting

56:56

change, exonerating an innocent

56:59

man by DNA, which is the longest

57:01

standing wrongful conviction in

57:03

American history. That's

57:05

the kind of thing I feel proud of and I

57:07

can leave feeling good about. But

57:09

move on to something else. There's so many

57:11

big burning issues in this

57:14

world. And I don't know

57:16

exactly what's next. I didn't do this

57:17

to go jump into

57:19

something else. But I know that there's something

57:21

pulling me in a different

57:22

direction right now. It was

57:24

the night of the awful discovery.

57:27

The apartment was dark. The faint

57:30

coppery scent of blood hung

57:32

in the air. Remember telling the voice, don't

57:34

touch anything. We don't know what's happened

57:36

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