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we have this camera, TJ? Do we have this

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1:21

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1:23

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1:26

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1:28

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1:30

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today. Game six. Game six, exactly. Please

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everybody's heart again. It's Mika's birthday! Yeah!

1:44

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1:46

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1:49

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2:01

Mika. Happy

2:03

birthday to you. I'm not going

2:06

to drink this anymore. Yay!

2:10

Let's not go around and talk about something.

2:12

Tell us what you like about Mika the

2:14

most. What I like about Mika is she

2:18

is so able to put you in your place. In

2:21

such a graceful, elegant way. And

2:23

it just shows the power of her

2:25

and the power of women. You know,

2:27

I think actually that's just specifically you.

2:30

I think when he

2:32

said you, he meant specifically you. I

2:35

don't think he meant that she puts one in their place.

2:37

Guys, this is a boring age. We should kind of skip

2:40

this one, I think. I

2:42

don't know. It's a fine age. I'm good with

2:44

it. It's a cat. Touch

2:48

a picture. We should talk about what he likes most. I

2:51

like what I like most about Mika is she

2:53

has this unusual way of making you feel you're

2:55

in charge when we all

2:57

know better. We're all kind of saying the

2:59

same thing. Take your step. Am

3:01

I in charge, honey? It's so funny

3:04

people come up and they'll say, you know,

3:08

Joe should let Mika do more on

3:10

the air. And Mika's like, show tense.

3:13

She's like, I'm the puppet master.

3:16

People are acting. All

3:19

right, let's stop this now. I haven't

3:21

even gone to jail. Okay, so Mika,

3:23

my favorite thing, she walks the walk when it comes

3:25

to helping women and

3:28

gives you the best advice. I mean, I can text her at

3:30

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3:36

with a lot of kindness. That is

3:39

really something about her. And she has someone you can rely on

3:41

her. You know that when you

3:43

text her or you ask her, she's

3:45

going to tell you the truth. She's going

3:47

to tell you the truth to be ready for

3:50

it. Yeah, and it helps. And like you

3:52

don't want the truth. Oh, my God. I really

3:54

appreciate Mika's enthusiasm for when we talk about

3:56

sports. One of the reasons I really

3:58

like coming on the show with her commitment. It's

4:00

a long conversation about the latest in sports.

4:02

Are the next gonna lose? No.

4:05

Joe, we still don't want to go there. I

4:08

need grief counseling the other day, though.

4:10

Okay. Yeah. You

4:12

know, I thought you were in a bad mood

4:15

this morning. I don't know what happened. I'm never

4:17

in a bad mood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. The

4:19

newspaper of record turned for a... Our car did

4:21

just... The buy-up was set. The

4:23

buy-up was set. The Starbucks was no good anymore. It

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4:29

New York, Maine, Florida is burned.

4:31

Starbucks? Something's wrong with it. Yes, yes, yes. And

4:34

it's too expensive. And happy birthday to you. And Susie Orman

4:36

told me never to buy Starbucks again. So thank you NBC for getting

4:38

me this. She opened the stock yesterday? But

4:40

we're not doing it. What happened? Lost

4:42

the, what, over 15% or so? It tastes

4:44

different. Is it because they burned Mika's coffee?

4:46

DM me. That's the market signal.

4:48

DM me if you think that Starbucks tastes

4:51

burned and like day old. Okay.

4:54

Wow. The host of way too early. I'm

4:56

always... Happy birthday. Happy

4:58

birthday, I guess. I'm

5:02

just telling you. It's the

5:04

truth. I actually was driving to Starbucks

5:06

all over a certain part of Florida

5:08

and now I didn't hear.

5:12

Hold on. And I was in DC, and it's all

5:14

burned or day old. Sweetie. Or

5:16

they've changed something. Who, who

5:18

do you wake up at 5 30 on

5:20

Saturday and Sunday morning to drive all over

5:22

Florida to get Starbucks? Well, you get it for

5:25

me. Exactly. So it doesn't taste...

5:27

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burned. Go to a normal. Yes ma'am.

5:32

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have a nice dog. It was eaten by

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I had listened to Susie Orman, I

5:44

would have saved a lot of money.

5:46

Susie's always right. Okay. The

5:49

host of way too early, White House bureau chief

5:51

of politics, Jonathan Lemire is here. Hi, Jonathan.

5:53

It's my birthday, Mika. We

5:55

need... Jonathan. It's time, Jonathan.

5:58

It's time. It's time. It's just, it's

6:01

way too early, it's way too early for him. Yeah. You're

6:04

saying we're ready to hit. But then graduate

6:06

to doing sports at 5.45 and getting somebody

6:08

else to start a game. We need them

6:11

here and we'll figure something else out. By

6:13

the way, we'll be very quick because it's

6:15

Mika's birthday, the Red Sox pitching, Jonathan

6:17

Lemire. The best

6:19

presence she could get, the Red Sox

6:22

pitching has been historic. The

6:24

best. Wow. Considering

6:26

a team of rotation of more or less no-name

6:28

starters coming into the season, they've been terrific credit

6:30

to the new pitching coach, Andrew Bailey. This

6:33

Red Sox team, Joe, you and I have

6:35

been talking about it daily basis, surprising and

6:37

fun and at least so far successful. Well,

6:39

Mika, that is my word to

6:41

present to you. Thank you. Can we

6:44

stop? Yeah. Okay.

6:46

All right. So Donald, we're going to the news now.

6:48

There's no one else to introduce. It's just us. Family

6:52

at the table. Donald Trump will not commit

6:54

to accepting the results of the 2024 election.

6:58

In an interview with the Milwaukee Journal

7:00

Sentinel, the former president repeated his lies

7:02

that the 2020 election was stolen from

7:04

him. So we

7:07

talked about this yesterday and

7:09

we were so, I think

7:12

the word is shook, that

7:14

we have decided to go back

7:16

in way deeper. Oh,

7:19

this is new one according to Alex. Okay. So

7:22

this is the New York Times. When asked

7:24

about this November, he said, quote,

7:26

if everything, everything is honest,

7:28

I'll gladly accept the results. I

7:31

don't change on that. If it's not,

7:33

you have to fight

7:36

for the right of the country. This Milwaukee

7:38

Journal and Richard

7:40

Haus, people across

7:42

the world look to the United States

7:46

and have always looked to the United

7:48

States. Donald Trump certainly changed

7:51

that in many ways, but January 6th,

7:55

as you've always said to me, it just shook our

7:57

neighbors, just like it shook us. And

7:59

now you have him. And once again, a guy who is

8:01

a favorite in a lot of polls saying,

8:04

I will not accept the results

8:07

of the election. So yesterday is the timepiece

8:09

and today it's the Milwaukee. One

8:11

of the defining hallmarks of

8:14

American democracy everywhere in the world was the peaceful

8:16

transfer of power. When

8:18

the former president and the guy who maybe

8:20

beat him drive down Pennsylvania Avenue and you

8:22

have the peaceful transfer, what a great demonstration

8:25

that is of commitment to

8:27

democracy, the rule of law, to accepting

8:29

that norm. And what Donald

8:31

Trump right here has done two things. One

8:33

is he's essentially saying, I only support it

8:35

if I win because there's no history of

8:38

rigged elections essentially. And second of all, the

8:41

threat of political violence that is out

8:43

there. I mean, we have 75 days

8:45

between election day and inauguration. And that's

8:47

when January 6th happened last time in

8:49

that two and a half month period.

8:52

That is the precarious moment for

8:55

our democracy. It not

8:57

only distracts us to vice, but imagine

8:59

what our foes are going to think. If

9:01

we are having a contested situation

9:04

and we are literally going to have a

9:06

return of political violence or imagine Joe, you

9:08

have several governors or state legislatures, legislature saying

9:11

we don't actually agree with that. We're going to send this

9:13

set of electors to

9:16

Washington. We could have that

9:18

this way. And Donnie, that's the

9:20

thing. The system did hold last

9:22

time. The courts held last time.

9:24

The state legislatures held last time.

9:28

But just like the

9:30

timepiece yesterday suggested, Donald

9:32

Trump and people around him are

9:35

figuring out how to subvert

9:37

democracy if he doesn't win.

9:39

And let me say that slowly. So

9:42

his apologists who will write this

9:44

in an op-ed laughing, oh, they're

9:46

saying Donald Trump. Donald

9:49

Trump's own words say

9:51

they don't suggest they

9:54

say he will subvert democracy if

9:56

he doesn't win and if he

9:58

does win. And it'll

10:01

be worse. He will subvert democracy

10:04

more. He will fire

10:06

prosecutors who will not arrest

10:09

his political opponents. He said

10:12

it. He says what he's going to

10:14

do. What he's going to do to your point, Joe,

10:16

is have the FCC report to him.

10:18

So he will be able to control shows like this.

10:21

He wants the FTC to report to him. He wants

10:23

to bring the insurrection act back so he can turn

10:25

military troops on his own people. He

10:27

wants to weaponize, as you said, the Justice Department

10:29

to go after his enemies. He wants

10:31

to put women on a registry in red states for

10:34

abortion. Monitor that if he wins. Hold on, hold on

10:36

tight. So what

10:38

you just said, somebody

10:41

out in the Trump sort

10:44

of stratosphere will

10:47

put on a website and say, look at

10:49

Donny Deutsch freaking out. Right?

10:52

And that's their ploy. That's the lie.

10:54

I, you know, I love the Wall Street

10:57

Journal editorial page. I disagree

10:59

with them a lot, but they will,

11:01

they will have people like writing op-eds.

11:04

They would take what you just said and lie

11:06

to their readers. They let them, they,

11:09

they lie to their readers and say,

11:11

look at the media. And I've been,

11:13

I've read more of this. The media

11:15

going, you know, are being hyperbolic. No,

11:18

all you're doing is repeating

11:20

his words. When we

11:23

repeat his words, when I repeat his words

11:25

as a conservative, and I think you found

11:27

out this past week, I'm a conservative. Like

11:31

live by the law, whether it's on college

11:33

campuses, whether it's at the border or whether

11:35

you're a president of the United States that

11:37

lost an election. Live by

11:39

the law. Right? I'm

11:41

a conservative, right? You're

11:44

a liberal, traditional liberal. You're a traditional

11:46

liberal. Now we're now, now call the

11:48

moderate, now call the moderate. Now

11:51

call the moderate. I didn't say progressive, but

11:53

you're a traditional liberal. And

11:56

we just read the words on the page. We

11:58

report it. the Trump right

12:00

and the Trump media will say, Donnie's

12:03

losing his mind. They

12:05

have Trump deranged with it every day. But

12:07

what did you just do? I just used

12:09

his words. You just repeated his words. Final

12:11

words he said, and once again, I just

12:13

talked about if he wins, if he loses,

12:16

he will tell people to take to the streets

12:18

with violence. He's telling you. Well, that is. He's

12:20

telling us. So if he wins, we're in trouble.

12:22

If he loses, we're in trouble. That's where we're

12:25

going next. So those comments come following

12:27

what he told Time Magazine about whether

12:29

he is concerned about violence

12:31

stemming from the outcome of this

12:33

year's vote, especially if he

12:36

doesn't win. He answered, quote,

12:39

if we don't win, you know, it

12:41

depends. It always

12:43

depends on the fairness of an

12:46

election. Are you worried

12:48

about violence? And

12:51

every political person that

12:54

loves his country would have

12:56

said, they answer that and

12:58

look throughout history and say, no,

13:01

I'm not worried about violence because I'm going

13:03

to speak out against violence and my people

13:05

will not be violent. We will accept the

13:08

results of the election. Everybody says that. Donald

13:11

Trump is now saying, well, it depends. Saying

13:13

it depends. Maybe it will be violent. Maybe. Saying

13:16

it depends. Saying his reaction is

13:18

based on whether it's a fair election,

13:21

but who determines what's fair? He

13:23

does. He is spelling out, I

13:26

believe in an autocracy. I will

13:28

decide if it's fair. I

13:30

will decide how I will respond to violence.

13:33

As someone that is running to be the

13:35

head of state again, to

13:37

say it depends. At

13:39

this kind of instability, we can't afford

13:42

to have, no matter who the candidates

13:44

are. Can you imagine in anywhere else

13:46

in the world, this would happen, we

13:48

would be denouncing that person that is

13:50

trying to be head of state. And

13:53

here we have it right here. We

13:55

acting like this is a normal race,

13:57

where you have one person in the

13:59

race. that could win.

14:03

If I determine it's fair, it's fair,

14:05

if I don't, it's not. And violence,

14:07

it depends on what I say. This

14:09

is not what this country is supposed

14:12

to be about and we shouldn't tolerate

14:14

it. You know, Jen, there's a stereotype

14:16

of the Trump voter that the media

14:18

does. Oh, people are stumbling

14:20

drunk out of their trailer

14:23

park and shooting raccoons

14:25

or something like that. No,

14:28

it's bankers, it's lawyers,

14:30

it's people with advanced degrees. This is

14:32

something Ann Applebaum brought out

14:35

so massively in

14:37

her book, The Twilight of Democracy, which

14:41

is the elites make this possible.

14:43

Think about all the billionaires that, oh,

14:45

I'll never vote for Trump. And now,

14:47

like, yeah, I'll vote for Donald Trump.

14:49

They know this. They read

14:52

this. They

14:54

read that Donald Trump says

14:57

that there's

14:59

going to be mass deportation. He's

15:01

going to force prosecutors to arrest

15:03

political enemies. He's going to execute

15:06

generals that don't follow his commands.

15:08

He's able to use SEAL Team

15:10

Six to execute political opponents and

15:13

he says, you can't arrest me

15:15

for that. You can go

15:17

down the list. He's going to be a

15:19

dictator from day one. He's going to terminate

15:22

the Constitution on and on. They've heard all

15:24

of this. They heard what he said to

15:26

Time magazine a couple of days ago. It

15:29

is a dark, autocratic vision

15:32

of America. And these

15:34

people, these educated

15:36

people with advanced degrees are the

15:38

ones saying, yeah, I'll support Donald

15:40

Trump again. Thinking, oh, well, you

15:43

know, maybe my investments will go or maybe

15:45

he won't tax me 3 percent. Not

15:48

understanding that this is not

15:50

just a threat to democracy, but this is a

15:52

threat to capitalism. Right.

15:55

Well, then that's that I mean, that's the thing that makes me think

15:57

maybe they will reconsider if they continue to

16:00

hear him. them say they don't they don't

16:02

they will not make that they don't get

16:04

how it could affect them negatively. They don't

16:06

think that that's gonna affect business. But there are there are

16:08

the 20% of people in Republican primaries still

16:13

are not voting for him, you know, there and

16:15

there's the people that say that they were worried

16:18

about Jan six. There's people that you know, that

16:20

the Republicans against Trump that those videos about people

16:22

who voted from twice, because the Jan six are

16:24

not going to do it a third time. And,

16:27

you know, keep doing these interviews, keep saying

16:30

this, right, you know, it's like proud boys

16:32

stand back and stand by and the polls. I

16:34

know, I know. I mean, a lot of swing

16:36

state polls. If you're talking about Nevada, if you're

16:38

talking about Georgia, if you're talking about North Carolina,

16:40

they're not even close. Here's Trump in September of

16:42

2020, September of 2020. Take a look. Will

16:50

you commit to making sure that there is

16:52

a peaceful transfer of power after the election?

16:54

Well, we're gonna have to see what happens.

16:56

You know that I've been complaining very strongly

16:59

about the ballots and the ballots

17:01

are a disaster. You know,

17:04

Chris Christie said that Donald

17:06

Trump started in

17:08

the spring of

17:10

2020, started lying

17:13

going, you know, this election may be regular.

17:15

He said he could see in his mind

17:17

that he knew he was gonna probably lose

17:20

and he started in spring

17:22

of 2020 trying to find

17:24

an excuse to look

17:26

for losing to Joe Biden. Right. He's only

17:28

saying if it's fair, it's okay. But by

17:30

definition, if he loses, it can't be fair.

17:33

If he wins, it's fair. And he loses.

17:35

It's not fair. The business

17:37

thing. Why do people invest in this country? Why

17:39

does our economy do so well? It's because this

17:41

is the rule of law. You

17:43

understand that it's a safe place to mess.

17:45

People can go to work. Consumers can consume.

17:47

What business leaders are missing here is how

17:49

much is at stake that

17:52

the comparative advantage of the United States and the

17:54

American economy depends on the rule

17:56

of law being paramount. We no longer have

17:59

that. You're kidding themselves. If they

18:01

think they can flourish says speaking of rule of

18:03

law or before I get. To this last

18:05

put together by the our reporter Eric

18:07

Court a less ah ah I'm on.

18:10

the report that came out yesterday from

18:12

Time Magazine was alive so use the

18:14

i lay on the campus theres police

18:16

are moving or these. Protesters out.

18:19

There's an encampment. There are

18:21

a student protesters we believe.

18:23

ah they're also may be.

18:25

Outside agitators and up with that

18:28

in quotes ah but will monitor

18:30

their s and see how it

18:32

unfolds. but they are currently trying

18:35

to break up the encampment which

18:37

I believe. Was. Negotiations for several

18:39

days. Now this is happening at

18:42

campuses across the country. Ah difference

18:44

little bit larger. look at more

18:46

like. Columbia

18:48

was before they disperse it so we

18:51

will monitor the situation and come back

18:53

to it as John Sam for only

18:55

what his eyes of watching this is

18:57

to source a compliment Her First of

18:59

all I'd like to know where their

19:01

parents or and we haven't What's what's

19:03

on your. Parents

19:05

or as like a little way the whole can

19:07

we backdrop. First and ask who these

19:09

people are To their lot of these

19:12

people are not to discuss. You're not

19:14

stupid And by the way, I when

19:16

people email me, I try to read

19:18

as many emails as I can and

19:20

I swear to God. The. Theme

19:22

of so many are show. These.

19:25

Are students I believe the children are

19:27

the future to see some well as.

19:31

Back to say thank you so much.

19:33

Why should be So You mean the

19:35

world The Made These are not all

19:37

students. All this is organized. It's a

19:39

crossbow. Nine cents. And by the way

19:41

we all have students. We all know

19:43

students. We have all talk to our

19:45

students. That is are are these These

19:47

are not All Students are not a

19:49

sorcerer as I as I say I

19:51

also work for this against the backdrop

19:53

of the vote. Yes we are anti

19:55

semitism. For Congress is that was three

19:57

hundred, twenty years and Ninety One people.

20:00

Did. Against. The simple bill.

20:02

To protect against that are semitism in

20:04

which interesting that's about one in four

20:07

the same numbers said Dr agree but

20:09

radio come out and says if one

20:11

in four Americans have anti semitic police

20:13

so Congress is very representative of Americans

20:16

right right? Am a rough but I

20:18

think that know what is very very

20:20

alarming to me who's been involved in

20:22

civil rights and Civil war and have

20:25

by the way you walk, the walk,

20:27

you talk the talk. I remember in

20:29

two thousand one the I guess and

20:31

I were. To recounts something that

20:34

you believe. Then it was civil

20:36

disobedience in the greatest tradition of

20:38

Martin Luther King's. And yes, you

20:40

broke the law. To make a

20:42

bigger points, you get sent to

20:44

jail And guess what? You weren't

20:46

saying I'm a meal plan Know

20:48

I will make you sad. Isn't

20:52

worth the fight. This is

20:54

worth the sacrifice. And guess

20:56

what? You. And others

20:58

who protested you changed American policy we

21:00

we were protesting the maybe bomb and

21:02

and vehicles and we label of

21:04

stuff I did ninety days do not

21:07

get on out by door He became

21:09

our center type I'd sell out

21:11

would on a diet for the damage.

21:13

I went on to say I would

21:16

there is a bottom feeder me

21:18

time would you approach system for right

21:20

become secondary to what you're doing. These.

21:23

You really not protesting for N

21:25

N n you in many ways

21:28

dramatize we did the ages would

21:30

I did later in other situations

21:32

was to bring attention to a

21:35

cause, not become the call right?

21:37

And what is troubling me about

21:39

lauded As Surveyed be com Because

21:42

it's about them. it is

21:44

not about pushing because they need to

21:46

ask themselves if they were sincere right

21:48

are you really focusing on what's going

21:51

on and got about the children about

21:53

the women about innocent people and in

21:55

israel are you focusing on whether that

21:57

you a visor know whether or not

22:00

you can say the most incendiary statement.

22:03

How are you guiding this? It's about

22:05

them. And I think they've lost the

22:07

message. And I think that is because

22:09

they've been infiltrated by people that are

22:12

not there for them. That is what

22:14

I'm worried about. And

22:16

that is, that's what we're all worried about.

22:18

And, and Jen, you, you,

22:20

you look at these protests. And

22:24

again, from, I'll just call it reporting,

22:28

on, on a lot of these

22:31

demonstrations. You

22:33

know, they're Palestinians

22:36

whose families have been killed in Gaza

22:38

or whose families have been killed through

22:40

the years. And we all

22:43

certainly understand why they would want

22:45

to be engaged. There

22:47

are a lot of people that are just

22:49

there. They are, I know this, you can

22:51

email me if you want to. I know

22:53

this better just there because they want to

22:55

be part of something

22:58

cool. There are outside agitators. And yes,

23:00

there are some people there because they

23:02

hate Jews. I'd like to, I'd like

23:04

to, I'd like to say that's not

23:06

the case. There's some people there because

23:08

they hate Jews that weren't there because

23:10

of Syria. They certainly weren't there when

23:14

Russia kept killing civilians in

23:16

Ukraine. It's certain I haven't

23:18

seen them out there for the 2 million

23:20

weagers who are in concentration camps in China.

23:23

And people go, oh, well, we're funding Israel.

23:25

Yeah. Guess what? When, when you go and

23:28

you buy gas, you know,

23:30

you're directly, you're indirectly helping Russia.

23:32

You're indirectly, you're directly helping Iran.

23:34

You're, you know, you're, you're when

23:36

we trade and buy cheap products

23:38

from China, you're helping China repress

23:40

not only people in Hong Kong,

23:42

you're helping China repress the weagers,

23:44

et cetera, et cetera. We could,

23:46

we could go down that,

23:48

that path if you want. And

23:51

so they're just, again, these

23:53

people weren't here when half

23:55

a million Arabs were killed

23:57

in Syria. They're here now though. Why? Because

24:01

Jews are involved. Go ahead.

24:03

Well, yeah. In

24:07

terms of it not being students, you know,

24:09

people really seem to question that, but the

24:11

student leader from Columbia was in the New

24:14

York Times saying this is an autonomous group

24:16

that took over the hall, right? So

24:18

it's not as if we are projecting

24:20

that these are not students. The student leader said

24:22

it is an autonomous group that did that. And

24:25

I think the reporting that sort of

24:27

helped put this in perspective. Jeremy Peters wrote

24:29

a good speech yesterday about, because he went and

24:31

interviewed a lot of protesters. And there

24:34

are, you know, we all have in our own lives, you know,

24:36

all of us are concerned about God's. God's.

24:40

It's very sincere and it's very tragic. But

24:44

what he identified was that these people had a lot,

24:46

you know, it was upset about

24:48

how indigenous people are treated in general.

24:50

It's upset about climate change. It was kind

24:52

of this, you know, sort

24:55

of new world clash of ideologies

24:59

that are that they were

25:01

expressing there. That

25:04

won't be limited to this issue. Right.

25:07

So even if, even if this is what I'm thinking about,

25:09

like, how does this affect the election? Where does this go

25:11

to? Even if the

25:13

Gaza conflict is resolved, you

25:16

are likely to see this. They

25:19

may just move on to the next issue, which is sort

25:22

of also, you know, which is also your point

25:24

in that they will. But the thing

25:26

that I'm processing, well, where does this go? How

25:28

does this affect young people writ large? I

25:31

don't see young people writ large

25:33

getting behind that kind of agenda.

25:36

It's not going to resonate in

25:38

their lives the way concerns about

25:40

inflation, economy, student loans, student debt,

25:43

things like that. I don't think

25:45

that that will resonate the way.

25:49

But you know, like, this is great for Donald Trump.

25:51

Oh, he loves this. We're

25:54

looking at what's happening right now on the

25:56

campus of UCLA. And you can see

25:58

the police are working to try and. and disperse this

26:00

encampment and even break it down. But

26:03

just looking at Washington Post coverage right

26:05

now, live coverage of things that are

26:07

happening across the country. We have a

26:11

situation at the City University of New

26:13

York where arrests happened, University

26:15

of Buffalo, Stony Brook

26:18

University, UCLA of course, 90

26:21

arrests on the campus of Dartmouth, and

26:25

a State Department, somebody who quit the

26:27

State Department reports the protest

26:29

has canceled his

26:31

appearance there. And

26:34

it goes on. I mean, this is not

26:36

just UCLA and Columbia.

26:39

Portland State, the library looks destroyed from

26:41

the pictures I'm looking here at the

26:44

Washington Post, and it goes on and

26:46

on. So right now, I think

26:48

it's fair to say that we don't

26:51

really know exactly how many students and

26:53

outside agitators are involved and who the

26:55

outside agitators even are. But

26:58

it is questionable to believe that it

27:00

would just be students in there doing

27:03

this. If it is,

27:05

then your question, then your

27:08

point that you were about to make, Donnie, is

27:10

100% correct and we've got a problem.

27:13

I would like to go to Jonathan Lemire if possible.

27:16

I just wanna follow up though again. Based

27:19

on the student leader at

27:22

Columbia, we don't have to

27:24

ask if those were students in

27:26

charge of taking over the building because

27:30

the student leader at Columbia

27:32

said they were outside agitators.

27:34

An autonomous group that's that. All the time through the

27:36

same colors at a lot of these things. I just

27:39

wanna wait until we get the rain. There's money coming

27:41

in behind this and the students are not paying for

27:43

this. I am a bank. That's my

27:45

thing. I don't feel comfortable about

27:47

that. I think we need to also bring

27:50

up the violence, the vandalism. When you go

27:52

into the Columbia Hall

27:55

where they had destroyed property, what is

27:57

that about? What is the point of

27:59

that? not how second really help the

28:01

people of God. No, but you're supposed

28:06

to be protesting and in my opinion

28:08

rightfully so violence being reckless on either

28:11

side. Correct. You're going to do violence

28:13

yourself to a building. Correct. That's where

28:15

I as one who engages. We're now

28:17

in that I'm Lee marches now about

28:20

the and I'm looking at this thing.

28:22

Wait a minute. Yeah, you're tearing up

28:24

walls. Yeah. In the name of what

28:27

children. No, there's some other element in

28:29

here that is hijacking is

28:31

from I don't disagree. Doesn't love

28:33

me or I'm assuming

28:36

the Biden administration is watching this closely and trying

28:38

to figure out a response as well. If there

28:40

should be one at this point, what do you

28:43

think? Yeah, the Biden administration

28:45

is really watching closely. The president himself though

28:47

hasn't had much to say on this issue

28:49

since these protests really kicked up in the

28:51

last week or two. He spoke briefly last

28:53

week saying, of course, there's no need for

28:56

violence. He understands those who

28:58

are protesting peacefully about the situation in

29:00

Gaza. He empathizes with that. A deputy

29:02

press secretary put out a statement the

29:04

other day when building at Columbia University's

29:07

campus was seized saying that crossed the

29:09

line that the administration condemned that. Why

29:11

does press secretary Corinne John Pierre asked yesterday about

29:14

the matters that Columbia and other campuses simply

29:16

said the president was monitoring it

29:18

and to the point of your conversation

29:20

a moment ago. Yes, polls do suggest

29:22

this is not a huge issue for

29:24

most voters and the political arm of

29:26

the Biden world. Certainly watching that but

29:28

they also are deeply concerned about these

29:30

images first and foremost because there's violence

29:32

there could be people injured but also

29:34

because there is a fear that it

29:36

could further alienate young people who associate

29:38

Biden with Israel here and against the

29:40

Palestinians. Fair or not that is a

29:42

perception among some of the young. Also

29:44

just they feel like some independent swing

29:46

voters simply turned off by

29:48

these scenes of chaos and certainly Donald Trump is

29:51

trying to put the blame on Joe Biden for that

29:53

when we of course know the administration has nothing to

29:55

do with scenes there on these campuses but we should

29:57

note the president is

29:59

now. Now White House announced yesterday going

30:02

to deliver a major speech next week,

30:04

Tuesday at the Holocaust Memorial Museum commemoration.

30:06

That'll be at the U.S. Capitol here

30:08

in Washington, where he'll talk about the

30:10

rise of anti-Semitism and denouncing that. And

30:12

of course we are seeing anti-Semitism

30:14

as a major part of some of these protests

30:17

being hijacked from the peaceful protesters

30:19

in so many places. As we

30:21

watch again live footage here at

30:23

UCLA, a lot of smoke in the air. We're

30:26

hearing some bangs, unclear exactly what's happening as

30:28

police try to do some things. Right,

30:31

so the campus, the college is

30:33

putting out word, UCLA on Twitter.

30:37

Campus operations will be limited tomorrow

30:39

and Friday. Please continue to avoid

30:41

campus and the Royce Quad area

30:44

per academic senate guidance on instruction.

30:46

All in-person classes are authorized to

30:49

be required to pivot to remote

30:51

tomorrow's budget. By the way, exam

30:53

time. And

30:56

people will go, oh, well, aren't

30:58

you worried about, yeah, yeah, we've

31:01

expressed our concerns about Gaza, tearing

31:03

up campuses, destroying property, breaking the

31:05

law that does not help one

31:08

child in Gaza, that does not

31:10

bring any supplies to Gaza. They

31:14

understand this. All

31:16

this does is it

31:18

turns people away from the cause. And

31:20

guess what? And they want

31:22

us to talk about them. So

31:24

we're talking about them instead of

31:27

Benjamin Netanyahu and illegal settlements in

31:29

the West Bank and the fact

31:31

that Netanyahu doesn't want the war

31:33

to end because when the war

31:35

ends, he's out of office and

31:37

he has indictments that could send

31:39

him to jail. We're not talking

31:41

about that, Donnie, because they want

31:43

us to talk about them, about

31:45

them destroying property. Young people,

31:48

what's the line from Buffalo

31:50

Springfield? Young people carrying signs, mostly saying

31:52

hooray for our signs. I mean, this,

31:54

you want to help the people of

31:57

Gaza? You know what? There

31:59

are a thousand better. way. And I just

32:01

want to say one thing going about.

32:03

Okay, it's important. Joe Biden

32:05

needs to speak out against this. I

32:07

don't care about politics. I don't care about worrying

32:09

about your left flank. I don't care about worrying

32:11

about young people. Joe Biden needs to be a

32:13

leader and come out and condemn in an explicit

32:15

way what's going on here. You know, you know,

32:17

this is something that Democrats make a hole in

32:19

a second. This is something that Democrats don't

32:22

get in their gut and they

32:24

never have. And it's the thing

32:26

that frustrates me about Democrats. I

32:29

voted for the war before I voted against

32:31

the war, you know, always for me. Well,

32:33

what about that 5% on

32:36

the far, far left that are

32:38

going to call me this or

32:41

that or the other? No, call

32:43

this out. This is wrong. Call

32:45

this out. Say we need to

32:48

help the people of Gaza. Right.

32:50

We need to end the

32:53

threat of famine in Gaza.

32:55

We need to pressure Netanyahu

32:58

to move towards a

33:00

ceasefire and bring those

33:02

hostages home. This detracts

33:05

from our bigger cause. And let me

33:07

say this, the politics of that, what

33:09

is being robbed by them not doing

33:11

that joke where you and I agree,

33:13

how do the Democrats, how do all

33:15

of us on that side say

33:18

January 6 was wrong if you can

33:20

have the same pictures going on on

33:22

college. The floor don't make a parallel.

33:24

But January 6, that has happened though.

33:26

Okay. So we know

33:30

what's going on here. Just the latest from

33:32

the AP and then we're going to go

33:34

live to the scene. Just that police tried

33:37

for hours to disperse this

33:39

encampment using loudspeakers warning

33:41

these people. Are they students? Are

33:43

they students mixed with outside agitators?

33:46

Maybe a group. They

33:48

were warned on loudspeakers for

33:50

hours. You will be arrested

33:52

if you do not leave.

33:54

Please leave peacefully. They are

33:57

doing this now because

33:59

the Protesters did not leave

34:01

the encampments. Let's go live to the

34:03

scene Steve Patterson is standing by with

34:05

more Steve Because

34:08

that's exactly what's happening now police

34:10

on multiple fronts pushing the crowd

34:12

back this crowd became agitated Reach

34:16

the encampment the encampment is probably about 500

34:18

yards to my left It

34:22

is in the far corner where

34:24

they are releasing as you can hear

34:26

flash bangs every few seconds This line

34:28

formed when protesters came and tried to

34:31

put this way police now pushing

34:33

that loss back It's very

34:35

dark, but we can see there

34:37

is just continuous sort of scrap Crowd

34:40

as police are trying to do the

34:42

best they can to push agitators back.

34:44

We see multiple arrests on scene We

34:46

are not back behind They

34:49

pushed us back for our safety. We're kind

34:51

of being contained in this field Thankfully

34:53

that hasn't surged this way and they've been

34:56

able to sort of maintain a lid on

34:58

the crop by pushing back in an L

35:01

Formation meanwhile the encampment it's too far

35:03

for you to see but it's over

35:05

this We come down the

35:07

field a little bit. This is sort of

35:09

the back end Armoring

35:12

this area up All

35:15

day long started with the fence

35:17

line then they built boards the

35:19

boards became shields the shields and

35:21

helmets Became on to the process

35:24

and they sort of geared it up for this moment And

35:27

we've seen this sort of fortification happened for

35:30

the last I would say six to eight

35:32

hours yesterday Into tonight now

35:34

we're in a situation in which as

35:36

you mentioned police gave the warning They've been on

35:38

the loudspeaker for the last three four hours or

35:41

so Telling the crowds

35:43

to leave those that chose to

35:45

stay are now obviously being pressed

35:47

upon Yeah, hey Steve,

35:49

can I ask you Joe here Steve?

35:52

Can I ask you did we have a

35:54

similar scene? That we

35:57

had in Columbia where students were the

35:59

people who were students there were

36:01

offered the right to walk away

36:03

and did you see some students

36:06

leaving voluntarily before

36:08

this confrontation began?

36:11

Yeah absolutely look I mean

36:13

police have been transparent about this they

36:15

have been telegraphing this and posturing we've

36:17

watched sort of the progression of the

36:19

police being here as a security force

36:22

making sure there were no more counter

36:24

protesters keeping the area safe for the

36:26

people that were here in the encampment

36:28

then all of his sudden the switch

36:31

flips the announcements come up from the

36:33

university from the police from

36:35

the state really to say essentially this

36:37

is now changing into an element in

36:40

which you need to leave we

36:42

consider this encampment unlawful which

36:45

safety is breached for students on campus

36:47

that point was very clear there's a

36:49

clear delineation all of a sudden police

36:51

are wearing riot gear they have zip

36:53

ties they have helmets and then the

36:55

choice has to be from the students

36:57

as to whether or not you're now

36:59

putting on a helmet getting a shield

37:02

burying up the the encampment that you're

37:04

in bracing for a fight essentially many

37:07

students chose to leave we saw sort of a mass

37:10

leave not too long ago

37:12

before all of this was happening others

37:14

sort of choosing to protest peacefully outside

37:16

of the encampment where they were holding

37:18

these peaceful rallies to sort of generate

37:21

support for the people that were going

37:23

to stay but then there are the

37:25

hardcore element of people who chose to

37:27

stay and chose to fight back and

37:30

now they are fighting back guys so

37:32

Steve just to your point they

37:36

did try to disperse this peacefully

37:38

what I'm getting from the Associated

37:40

Press is that shortly before 2

37:42

a.m. they made their

37:45

way into the perimeter of the encampment

37:47

this is the police and the authorities

37:49

only to retreat after being

37:52

outnumbered by scores of protesters

37:54

who yelled shame on you

37:56

summon the crowd through water

37:58

bottles and other objects At

38:01

the officers, as the officers then

38:03

backed away, later the

38:05

crowd chanted, we're not leaving, you

38:07

don't scare us. Armed

38:10

with batons and full riot gear,

38:13

California Highway Patrol officers returned about

38:15

an hour later and

38:17

stood within feet of scores of

38:19

protesters who continued to throw

38:22

objects at them and yell. More

38:24

than 100 protesters moved from the

38:26

stairs leading down from the encampment

38:28

to block a side entrance to

38:30

the encampment where police were advancing.

38:33

So clearly the protesters had

38:36

no intention of leaving or listening to

38:38

law enforcement in any way who tried

38:40

to do this peacefully. And

38:42

as Steve said, tried to do this peacefully because

38:44

sometimes Steve will get right back to you. I've

38:48

got to say, you'd ask what parents were

38:51

saying about this. For parents whose

38:54

children are, and their children by

38:56

the way, they're some adults.

38:59

But I say this

39:01

because we've got kids obviously of college age.

39:03

I mean,

39:06

I just obviously, there are many that

39:09

are distressed. I'm sure many are concerned about their safety.

39:12

I certainly hope the students

39:14

scat out and they're doing it peacefully right now.

39:18

But Richard,

39:20

this is,

39:22

I tried to explain this a

39:25

couple days ago. Maybe I wasn't

39:27

eloquent enough. But

39:30

I can tell you my family, not

39:33

saying the Vietnam War was just war, it was not

39:35

just war. But I can tell

39:37

you the riots on college

39:40

campuses, the riots

39:42

at the Chicago Convention in

39:44

1968, all

39:46

of those things moved my

39:49

family from

39:51

being Democrats their entire

39:54

life to being Republicans.

39:57

I remember I was young.

39:59

And I remember my parents asking

40:01

why did the world is

40:04

going on in this country? And of course, you

40:08

know, they were raised in the Great

40:10

Depression and rural Georgia, kind

40:13

of hard for them to hear

40:16

rich kids on

40:20

campus of Harvard or taking over campuses

40:23

of Columbia. But if you're offended by this, please,

40:25

I'm trying to help you. I

40:27

don't want Donald Trump to get elected. I

40:30

try to help you if you're too stupid to

40:32

figure that out. You change to

40:34

another channel because we're sorting through

40:36

this as a country. And

40:38

this is not helping. This

40:41

is not helping the people of Gaza. And

40:43

this is not helping those

40:45

of us who want to fight fascism in

40:47

America. But Richard,

40:49

you you remember 68. It

40:53

was a tidal wave. There's a

40:55

reason that Reagan

40:57

won with a lot of young voters in

40:59

1980. There's

41:02

a reason the Reagan Revolution

41:04

took place. The seeds were

41:06

planted in 1968. And

41:11

again, when I say that, I'm not saying that

41:15

the Vietnam War wasn't an unjust

41:17

war. It was. I'm

41:19

saying there are ways as the

41:21

Rev has proven. He

41:24

proved that the acres as as Martin

41:26

Luther King has proven, as others have

41:28

proven, there are ways to do this

41:30

that helps the cause without hurting, without

41:34

aiding the worst elements in

41:37

American politics. So a

41:39

couple of thoughts. When the democracies crumble,

41:42

it's when they lose control of currencies, inflation

41:44

gets out of control. People lose all their

41:46

savings. We've seen that historically in Vymor and

41:48

other places. When you see scenes like this,

41:50

if you give people a choice and they

41:52

say, well, I may be uncomfortable with some

41:54

of the politics of some size, but we

41:56

need physical safety. We need water. This

41:59

is seen as a reason. threat to

42:01

democracy. This isn't many with I think

42:03

school authorities who have lost control of their

42:05

campuses. They didn't say clear rules. They weren't prepared to

42:07

back them up. So now you've got to take back

42:10

the campuses. They never should have lost them in the

42:12

first place. By the way, let's go to the split

42:14

screen of the riots going on in Florida. Oh

42:17

wait, there are no

42:19

rights going on at the University of Florida because

42:21

the president said we don't run a daycare center

42:23

here. Right. If you want to protest this, we

42:25

respect your right to protest, but we're not going

42:27

to let you break the law and destroy buildings.

42:29

Right. Right. Free speech is not

42:32

an absolute and it's not the only right

42:34

on a campus. There's got to be balanced

42:36

against other rights against, you know, against obligations.

42:38

One last thing. These are educational institutions. So

42:41

they ought to be thinking one about

42:43

their failure to maintain order and protect

42:45

the rights of everybody. What about one

42:47

other thing? How about educating? You said

42:50

before this isn't helping the young people in

42:52

Gaza. Where is the

42:54

teach-ins here? Why at least in Vietnam we

42:56

had some teach-ins in 68. Why

42:59

isn't Columbia, why isn't it, why aren't

43:01

these places based saying here's an opportunity

43:03

to educate, not just by the way

43:05

about the policy floors of this Israeli

43:07

government. What about the history of the

43:09

peace process? What about the times the

43:11

Palestinians kicked away chances of peace? What

43:13

about the nature of Hamas's rule in

43:15

Gaza? All these people, the gaze for

43:17

Gaza, how good do they think it would

43:19

be for them under Hamas? This is

43:22

a chance to have teach-ins to get

43:24

people smarter, more sophisticated, more balanced about

43:26

what's going on because there's blame to

43:28

spread around. But I don't see universities

43:31

stepping up. These

43:33

protesters are going to hand the election

43:35

to Donald Trump. We are

43:37

going to have fascism as a result of these

43:39

protests. Joe Biden, you need to step up right

43:41

now. What exactly though is

43:43

he supposed to do? I mean these need to be,

43:46

I certainly come out, call it out. Call it out

43:48

what it is. And call it what it is. We

43:50

need to know what it is. These

43:52

are people that are

43:54

breaking the law. That's

43:56

correct. Protest peacefully. Learn

43:59

about the system. Situation I'm

44:01

telling you find out from from I will

44:03

say I'll just say from my reporting An

44:07

overwhelming majority of the students that

44:10

have been involved Get their

44:12

news from tick tock They

44:14

have no idea what happened in 2000 at Oslo

44:18

They have no idea that the

44:20

Palestinians were offered 97%

44:22

of the West Bank and they were going to compensate to the

44:24

other 3% They have no

44:27

idea that there was a right to

44:29

passage from Gaza over to the West

44:31

Bank They had no idea that bill

44:33

that bill Clinton was able to pull

44:36

together Between

44:39

Israel and Palestine and then Yasser Arafat

44:41

passed on it Why I said

44:43

it in real time because he knew

44:45

Hamas would killing he would end up

44:47

just like Sadat They have

44:49

no idea about this. They have

44:51

no idea if they did they

44:53

would understand Just how

44:55

dangerous Benjamin Netanyahu was to the

44:58

peace process and they would understand

45:00

how he had an alliance with

45:02

Hamas He

45:04

had an alliance with Hamas because the

45:07

one thing that Hamas and Benjamin

45:09

Netanyahu Had in

45:11

common is they saw peace

45:14

They saw a two-state solution

45:18

as a threat to their very existence

45:23

And on a very local level what we're looking

45:25

at right here as the police

45:27

are trying to disperse this is a

45:30

lot of questions as to how this started we're going

45:32

to take a break by the way and bring in

45:35

NYPD chief John Chell to talk about

45:37

this but when

45:40

you see those big pieces of wood

45:42

bed frames Whatever they are and

45:44

the encampment set up we have to

45:46

ask how that even started because that's

45:49

not allowed like that that creates A

45:52

threat and that is I mean obviously have to get

45:54

permits and all sorts of things to do something like

45:56

that in a public place at a school, so why

46:00

the university allowed that to happen, what we're

46:02

looking at right here, is a

46:04

big question. Because we wouldn't be in the

46:06

situation we are now if they let it

46:09

grow and swell to this point. Does anyone have an

46:11

answer to that? Because I can

46:13

tell you, if I'm running a university, I'd

46:15

say no way. We're not even talking about, the

46:17

plywood, the plywood's not even, you don't even

46:19

think about that. I

46:22

want to know what these

46:24

school administrators are thinking. How

46:26

do they even let it

46:28

begin down this path? Are there bills

46:31

you can afford? They're academics. They're

46:33

academics. I don't know,

46:35

I mean, but Ben Sasse is the president

46:37

of University of Florida now, right? Right, but

46:39

even academics at University of Chicago, the federal

46:42

level. Look, to show us also how, once

46:44

you lose control, to regain control is

46:46

incomparably worse. They've got to have clear rules

46:48

and back them up. And once you lose

46:50

control, this is what you know. You mentioned

46:52

University of Chicago, they've sent out a letter,

46:54

if you do this, it will be expelled.

46:56

And guess what, there's nothing happening in University

46:58

of Chicago. And look at Brown and Yale,

47:00

where they were able to sit down with

47:02

the administration and resolve it. The

47:05

problem is, as he keeps saying,

47:07

you've got people there that don't

47:09

want to solve this. They're there

47:11

to manage it. They

47:13

want the university to put that

47:15

in. And I understand what Donnie's

47:17

saying about it's going to let

47:19

Trump, they don't care. Their agenda

47:21

is this. And they're

47:24

using these young students

47:26

as props for an

47:29

anarchistic agenda. Here's the point.

47:31

I wonder if any of them has any awareness

47:33

of what Donald Trump's Middle East policy would

47:35

be, what would be the classic

47:37

policy for Palestinian writers? Right, or

47:40

Netanyahu. He's doing it. I mean,

47:42

Netanyahu, he's a friend. And we

47:44

need journalists. We need reporters. We

47:47

need people figuring out about the

47:49

funding. Not just of this, but

47:52

the radicalization of our students on

47:55

college campuses on this issue. Let

47:58

me tell you. So

48:00

there, Qatar, maybe,

48:02

I believe they're the largest

48:04

contributor to American universities over

48:07

the past decade. Qatar,

48:09

they have poured hundreds of

48:12

millions of dollars into

48:14

American universities to have

48:17

a radicalizing effect on Middle Eastern studies.

48:19

And I must say, it has

48:22

worked. You have 106 professors at Columbia

48:26

that came out supporting Hamas. Yeah, nice. Think

48:28

about teaching our students. Okay, we're

48:30

going to continue this conversation after

48:33

a 60-second break. We're back in one

48:35

minute with more live coverage from

48:37

the protests being broken down at

48:39

UCLA and beyond. Warning,

48:41

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right. It's

49:48

just before 4 a.m. on the

49:51

West Coast and we're following the breaking

49:53

news out of Los Angeles where police

49:56

are breaking down barricades at

49:58

UCLA, pulling apart plot and

50:01

other materials that Gaza war

50:03

protesters use to build an

50:05

encampment on campus. Moments ago,

50:08

police detained multiple demonstrators after

50:10

breaching the encampment. This comes

50:13

as protests surrounding the war

50:15

in Gaza have upended

50:18

campus life across the country. This,

50:21

by the way, happened only

50:23

after hours of police attempting

50:25

to disperse this encampment peacefully.

50:29

They told through loudspeakers

50:31

the protesters would be arrested

50:34

if they did not disperse. They

50:36

are doing this now because the

50:38

protesters gave them no other choice.

50:40

They would not leave. And in

50:42

fact, the protesters threw things at

50:44

law enforcement and screamed at them

50:46

that they were not leaving and

50:49

they are not afraid. Joining

50:51

us now, NYPD's Chief of Patrol,

50:54

John Schell. He's had his

50:56

share of this across the country

50:58

in New York City on the

51:00

campus of Columbia and beyond. Chief, thanks so much for being

51:02

with us. Right now, based

51:06

on the experiences that you and the NYPD

51:08

had over the past couple of days, what's

51:10

the first thing administrators

51:12

at UCLA should do? Well,

51:14

the first thing they should, I'm not allowed to get to

51:16

this point. Right. They should

51:18

have stood tall like the NYU president did that one day

51:20

and she took care of it. How? How? What? Not letting

51:23

it get to you. She ordered. She

51:25

asked to come in right away and take care of

51:27

it. And when we did that, they put up barriers

51:29

and we really haven't spoken about NYU since. It was

51:31

a one-day thing. But nothing was built. Right. That was

51:33

built. Here, what

51:35

should happen is the president

51:37

should have said, if you don't leave this campus at

51:40

this point and you are a student, you

51:42

will be expelled. If you

51:44

are a faculty member or staff member,

51:46

you will be fired. Yeah. I guarantee

51:48

you there was kids relieved because

51:50

they don't want their dorm material on the corner and

51:52

have mom come pick them up the next day. Right.

51:55

That was the first thing. There's so many, so many

51:58

students that want to get into these classes. colleges.

52:00

Right, I'm sure every college people missed by a

52:02

percentage point. My kids missed schools by percentage points

52:04

and I'm sure they would sign a waiver and

52:06

say I'll come in and partake as a good

52:08

student and relish this great school and not

52:11

partake in this behavior if it occurred. I think that

52:13

would happen. I would like to destroy property. Talk

52:16

about, we've been we've been weeding

52:18

about and Jen

52:20

talked about the student leader

52:22

at Columbia saying those are

52:24

outsiders. We don't know, they're autonomous. They

52:26

those weren't students that took over the

52:28

building. Can you tell when you go

52:30

in who the student is and who

52:32

the outside agitator is? From doing this

52:34

a long time just my side yes

52:36

you can. You're dressing all black with

52:38

a black scarf. I'm not sure if

52:40

that's a chemistry student. Do

52:46

we know like on the campus

52:48

of Columbia of the arrests that were made?

52:50

I mean have we been able to?

52:52

We're still filtering through to 282 that

52:54

came from Columbia and City College because that was

52:56

going on the same night too. So we're doing

52:58

two at the same time. The last

53:00

time we got Columbia of the 108 we took off from the 3035 or

53:02

outside people and

53:06

there you go. It's it's click. There's three

53:08

things going on. This kid's protest on my

53:10

campus because they think they protest the right

53:12

thing. Those are house rules. That's one thing.

53:14

Yeah. Then you got students protesting who are

53:17

crossing that line into hate speech. Yeah. You

53:19

should be expelled. Then you have

53:21

the outside agitators outside, inside,

53:24

radicalization, teaching

53:26

them the one woman I'm not going to mention name

53:28

is teach them how to barricade themselves, how to take

53:31

out the cameras in Hamilton Hall. All

53:33

these tactics that we had to deal with. How

53:35

they get on campus number one. Number two

53:37

what are they doing there? What is their

53:39

overarching goal? Right. Is it that protest or

53:41

is it something bigger universally and

53:43

that's got to go beyond the NYPD.

53:45

That's what I'm worried about. And the

53:48

chief and I have been on the

53:50

other side of the barricades for a

53:52

long time. But you know that

53:54

we are about an issue. What is being

53:56

lost here is what is the cause. The

53:59

kids and guys. suffering while we're

54:01

looking at agitators that have

54:03

taken the focus off of what

54:05

it's supposed to be and I

54:07

mean many of us I'm fighting

54:09

right now affirmative action DEI joining

54:11

Kimberly Crenshaw to mine right to

54:13

learn about banning books all of

54:16

that's lost on guys that want to come

54:18

in and violently disrupt and I think one

54:20

of the reasons that people like you and

54:22

I have always had a mutual respect even

54:24

though we might have been on different sides

54:27

of barricade is you knew we were there

54:29

for a bigger cause not us and

54:32

these people have made it only about them

54:34

them graphics do nothing to help the people

54:36

in Gaza in fact it hurts them this

54:38

hurts everybody though what is property it's on

54:40

things of the cops what does this have

54:42

to do with the point yeah that's

54:45

what I say he stands for things he protests

54:47

properly he does right and then we respect that

54:49

we were on the same page but

54:51

this is this is on this is this our kids

54:53

on college campuses as a father every time I step

54:55

on the Columbia I'll tell you right now every time

54:58

I was up there I'm a

55:00

policeman but my kids is left college I'm

55:02

like this is this is broken what was

55:05

the way we raised our kids to a certain point yeah

55:07

it's not this way so

55:09

chief it seems is a common theme here

55:11

a universal theme in each of these campuses

55:14

and it has to do with the reluctance of

55:17

the schools administrators to

55:19

deal with this verbally initially right away

55:21

and they very really did it so

55:23

when I was up there at Columbia

55:25

a couple of days ago the

55:28

police were outside why

55:31

just lying there waiting to be

55:33

called upon what was the negotiations

55:35

like if they were negotiations between

55:37

the police department and Columbia

55:39

University's president and the office of the president

55:41

so we're on the phone phone with them

55:44

two three times a day trying

55:46

to work through their process but then

55:48

I they're not equipped for this and

55:51

then they're trying to appease different arenas

55:53

of their world and she can we

55:56

just say this it's very easy to

55:58

attack the president The

56:00

president is Ben Sasse at Florida, who I

56:02

think did the right thing. He's

56:04

got professors and others that will support

56:06

him in education.

56:09

Let's just say, while

56:12

I don't understand the images from

56:14

Columbia or UCLA, you know this

56:16

far better. And

56:19

tell my fellow conservative friends, that

56:22

president at Columbia was

56:24

walking a tightrope because

56:26

there are faculty members.

56:29

And the faculty senate that

56:31

wanted to censure her, who

56:34

were encouraging the illegal

56:36

behavior. Exactly,

56:38

to your point behind the scenes, can you imagine what

56:41

she was up against? Yeah.

56:43

Different people, there's money involved,

56:45

right? Yeah. Endowment

56:47

money, there's a lot of things at stake here.

56:49

So as they go through their process, what

56:52

do you keep asking, what do you need from us on the outside,

56:54

are you good, do you need this? And

56:56

they finally put writing what they wanted, not once, but

56:58

twice, and she was clear and concise. And I'll give

57:00

Columbia credit, on the day we went in, we

57:03

just asked them, I asked them personally, just

57:05

do me a favor, keep saying negotiating, keep

57:08

downplaying it as we prepare, because we wanted

57:10

to have a little surprise, a little element

57:12

of surprise when we go in, to avoid

57:14

any type of computations. And we did that

57:17

flawlessly. Our cops, the plan worked. And

57:20

the plan, we had a secure perimeter, we

57:22

had five dorms with 2,000 kids in it, that

57:25

we did not want coming out into that campus and

57:27

getting into a computation. And I got the president to

57:29

agree, that if any child came out, the home children,

57:31

right, with that, any child came out

57:34

and confronted us, there was gonna be

57:36

one, you're gonna get expelled. And that

57:38

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