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mini raw dog, mini raw

1:00

dog out in the park, the flyweight of

1:02

the moment. You know, I'm going

1:04

to be fired up to talk to you,

1:06

Brandon Royvall, but what a breakthrough comeback victory

1:08

over Brandon Moreno. Congratulations on what went down

1:10

at UFC 298. Talk to me. How you feeling

1:14

right now? I

1:16

feel good. I mean, I also feel like shit too.

1:18

My ankles are full and, you know,

1:20

after you get in a fight, it's a, I always forget too.

1:23

Like when I was younger, I had like a rule, like after

1:25

my first fight, I was like, I'm never kicking again. Cause I,

1:27

I look like I'm the type of dude to break my leg

1:29

when you throw kicks, you know what I'm saying? And, uh, bro,

1:32

it just sucks for everybody. Like even when you

1:34

hate like land kicks, well, it just sucks. So

1:36

it's just, uh, just limping around this

1:38

park, walking my dog and all that fun stuff. Does

1:42

this feel like the biggest win of your career? Is it the

1:44

biggest one of your career? It was a gutsy win, man.

1:47

Yeah, yeah, it definitely is. I didn't

1:50

feel like it though. Like honestly, I

1:53

kind of just wanted to win, bro. I like her. I was

1:55

really mad at myself after the title fight and, I

1:59

just wanted to win, man. I just want to be back in

2:01

the wind call. I wanted to go fight and I didn't really

2:03

think it all through. I was just like, all right, this is

2:05

a good opportunity. And like, I can just quit turnaround. It's like,

2:07

I've never made an event at the UFC thing before. So I

2:09

was like, if I can get on all this, like

2:12

it's just kind of killing a bunch of birds once done, you know,

2:14

there you go. So I mentioned it was 298. It

2:16

wasn't, it was UFC, Mexico city, the main event,

2:19

massive opportunity. So you get this last minute call when

2:21

a mirror, all Bosie falls out. What am I last

2:24

minute? What was it about a month and a half,

2:26

two months, uh, for you to

2:28

figure out? Six weeks. But that

2:30

decision when you're coming directly off the

2:32

title, lost to Pantoja mentally,

2:34

everything that goes into play, how much

2:37

of a debate was it whether to

2:39

accept that fight? Was it absolutely

2:41

automatic? Oh, it was

2:43

automatic. I have a rule that, uh, I

2:45

don't accept fights that I like, I guess

2:47

I've never not like hesitated or anything, but

2:49

like short notices, if you

2:52

think about it for too long, that's like when I've

2:54

made my mistakes, I think, which is like, I'm

2:57

basing this off of one fight. But, uh,

3:00

if I'm super enthused about it, it's just like that, then we're

3:02

all go. We're all go. Like if you

3:04

have to think about it for super long, I think it's a,

3:06

maybe not a bit like a good decision,

3:09

especially like a short notice, I mean, but,

3:12

uh, if you're enthused about it and like your first reactions

3:14

yet, you got to go off of that. So it's like,

3:16

I, I tell the fighters around me and

3:18

all that stuff too. It just like, what's your first reaction

3:20

and go off of that if it's short enough. And, uh,

3:23

for me, my first reaction was like, Oh, fuck yeah.

3:25

Like I get to go fight. Uh, I go to

3:27

be a main event. I get a free trip to

3:29

Mexico. Like I was all excited about everything, man. So,

3:31

uh, I don't get to go visit the

3:33

rules much. So, uh, I was pretty stoked. I'm going to

3:35

Mexico. Well, you go in

3:37

there against a former two-time champion and Marine or

3:39

the star of the division in some ways of

3:41

what he's put together personality wise, career wise. And

3:44

you knew what gave you its chance to not just

3:47

run back the title loss and redeem the

3:49

loss you had to Marino years ago, but man,

3:52

it was a, from

3:54

The low of losing to the high of

3:56

coming in here. and when it, it turns

3:58

your stock around like that. Which is the

4:00

opportunity you get with the last minute

4:03

notice like that. I'd. Do. The

4:05

feel reviving in that regard. you. As

4:07

to I mean maybe not like Revival I got on the

4:09

like I'm going to get a gun on it. Wasn't sure

4:11

if I'm getting a toddler son off dead, but. It.

4:14

Was just like a nice breath of fresh air

4:16

Max like I said has boosted by thought balloon

4:18

lot of by. Stops. Man that

4:20

that was deathly one, the lower ones I've had

4:22

and just to give myself right back out of

4:24

it. and the mainly just like. Grow.

4:26

Give myself a reason the wake up every day like

4:28

walk in and like you know who's ready to get

4:31

after. You know a guy that I that api in.

4:33

The guy was. Ousted in likes the

4:35

guy with the motivated to go back

4:37

to training really until that marine okay

4:39

around. Now that perfect isn't exactly what

4:41

I needed, I doubt they wanted that

4:43

like. Edge back and I feel like

4:46

our the kool aid us to go beyond Gabi

4:48

as well or parties and then also you know

4:50

like to go get the ranking, go sell road

4:52

when I can do and. I.

4:54

Don't know if there's a lot of thing. there's so much

4:56

doing the had up into that that is like. I

4:58

was so excited to go! Do you know. It

5:01

wasn't the littlest hobo this performance against marine

5:03

other. He's got that experience. He's been in

5:06

there with him before. He got five rounds

5:08

herath altitude and you get your hand race.

5:10

How do you feel you did this? How

5:12

are you able to neutralize him and get

5:15

the job done? On.

5:17

Ah, Man I fell, I got. A

5:20

dog, one train. Denver's like always that big

5:22

advantage whereas I got staying in Denver.

5:24

and like a I still like yeah.

5:27

I. Weaponized cardio. Which. Is

5:29

like a weird thing to say. Alec awaiting a dank

5:31

is like and I don't want to use it all

5:33

time, but it's like I thought I'd have weaponized cardio

5:35

as a fighter and is staying in someone's days and

5:37

kind of dry. Keen on I'm saying and just kind

5:40

of like. Have an ally. Gov.

5:42

At. A know that adds that it's like the biggest

5:44

airport. The. ground now i'm deathly gonna

5:47

start getting stronger and i like at compile

5:49

part of me to that wondering the like

5:51

I wonder what his strategy not by blood

5:53

or like what they're like. Tactics.

5:55

Were because a. the first two

5:57

rounds his movement so much you know like he

6:00

wasn't engaging much and is like I wonder if

6:02

he was like I were gonna save some energy

6:04

and just kind of like Preserve

6:06

energy nothing and I kind of wonder if that's what he was

6:10

What the tactic was on his side? But

6:13

yeah, I thought that weaponized cardio and I made that kind of

6:15

my thing and Especially

6:17

later on in that fight like once they hit like

6:19

the third fourth fifth round once I like kind of

6:21

hit him in the Nut I thought I was like,

6:24

oh shit. He's tired. Like I knew I didn't really

6:26

hit him You know, like I did it. I barely

6:28

like nicked him if anything like like maybe a toe,

6:30

you know And I assume

6:32

my boy got a good cup on so, I mean,

6:34

this is all just assumptions But uh,

6:37

I know I didn't I know I didn't hit him flush, you

6:39

know what I'm saying? We're fly away Oh boy back in this

6:41

kid it but uh, he uh He

6:46

was taking all his time and I was like, oh no, he's

6:48

tired. That's what it is Like I didn't hit him in the

6:50

nuts He just has a quick way to take a take a

6:52

few seconds to catch his breath and then go back at it

6:54

So from there on out every time they broke us up already

6:57

time. There's like a split I just got right back in his

6:59

face and uh That was kind of what I decided from there

7:01

on out is that I'm like, okay I think I can I

7:03

have them winded and I can kind of just start taking over

7:05

a little bit from here Well when

7:07

I saw him in the second half of that fight doing non

7:10

Brandon Moreno moves Which is to circle

7:12

away from from the action to constantly

7:14

almost be using movement to a negative

7:16

effect I was gonna ask you if

7:18

you thought it was fatigue on his

7:20

end But what do you think

7:22

you made the adjustment? Striking wise to be able

7:25

to close distance easier in ways that you weren't

7:27

able to in the first couple rounds Man,

7:30

I kind of wish I did uh, I did more especially

7:32

like looking back because like I could have stole way more

7:34

angles on him I could have done like those like cool

7:36

little more tank going on him. I could

7:38

have done a bunch of cool things and then I could have uh,

7:41

uh, I forget what we would like I forget what they call it we

7:43

have like a name for at our gym but

7:46

uh Like a shifting I wish I did a better job

7:48

shifting because he was running away a lot and it's like

7:50

if I would have shifted Just doubled up on my

7:52

punches and switch stances I could have one got away with

7:54

a lot of more calf kicks and uh I

7:57

could have covered distance and just stayed in his face even a little bit more

7:59

when he was retreating So I

8:01

mean I feel like what I did was the

8:03

asshole move and just pick up my fucking, pick up my

8:05

cardio, pick up my pace and just stay in front of

8:07

him a little bit more. What I wished

8:09

I did was a bunch of other things though,

8:12

so you know, looking back, we'll do that shit

8:14

against Pantoja. One thing you did

8:16

was even if he took you down, he didn't keep

8:18

you down. That was going to be the

8:20

key to victory in a lot of ways. How happy are

8:22

you with your ability to avoid those troubles

8:24

and take that away from him in this matchup?

8:29

Yeah, bro, I almost got a go-go plot. I should have went for

8:31

it. That would have been the coolest. That would have been the coolest

8:34

way to win and I would have retired after that. That would have

8:36

been my last fight. But that's all I

8:38

worked on. Oh, you don't mean that. Come on.

8:41

Oh, I feel like I do, man. I've been telling myself

8:43

this to those kids. Like if I get a go-go plot

8:45

in a fight, I think that's anything I wanted to accomplish

8:47

and I'm done, you know? But

8:51

yeah, man, fuck. I forgot the

8:53

question. I forgot the question, man. My dumbass. His

8:57

ability to win. Yeah, I hired

9:01

a wrestling coach to

9:03

watch my videos, to watch my sparring, to

9:06

watch me wrestle and then have privacy

9:08

to me. So that's all I worked

9:10

on. That camp really is just wrestling,

9:12

wrestling, wrestling popping up and that, that.

9:15

It's just I don't want to – I'm not going to be

9:17

held down. These

9:19

fools ain't going to hold me down. I feel like that's like

9:21

an empowerment speech that I'm – thank God, the system's not going

9:23

to hold me down no more. But mainly

9:25

these flyweights aren't going to hold me down really

9:27

is what I don't want. So

9:30

that's something that I'm working on real hard. I

9:32

worked on super hard this camp and like I

9:35

said, I pretty much videoed all my rounds and

9:38

had somebody looking over it and

9:40

just kind of where we went right, where we went wrong and

9:42

I just seen those improvements in there really quick. And I knew

9:44

it was going to be a quick – it

9:47

was going to be a quick like learning

9:49

lesson from Pantos and Moreno. So

9:52

by the time that next fight comes around, I'm going to have

9:54

it so dialed in. Well, look, I can

9:56

ask you a question. And I got my first takedown too. That's where we – I

10:02

could ask you a million questions about technique, but

10:05

this is morning combat raw dog. So

10:07

people expect different questions out of me. Do

10:09

the DMS blow up on fire when you

10:11

win a five round main event in Mexico

10:13

City? Yeah,

10:16

yeah, for sure. For sure. I

10:18

get some good shit, some bad shit, but yeah,

10:20

the DMS are popping. The DMS are popping.

10:22

I mean, they're slowing down now, but the DMS are popping. My

10:25

girlfriend had my phone the whole entire time. They're sure they

10:27

weren't popping too much. So

10:30

I was going to say, are they Ryan Garcia

10:32

level popping? Or, you know, let's put it on

10:34

levels here. I mean,

10:37

Ryan Garcia is a lot better looking than

10:39

the raw dog. Exactly. And

10:41

honestly, he got that boxer money, man. Ryan Garcia

10:44

is worth more, looks better, and

10:48

sadly, both of us. I

10:51

got more charisma and I'm not saying

10:54

outlandish shit right now. So maybe I

10:56

got personality development now, you know? Yeah,

10:58

I fear for Ryan Garcia's future after

11:00

some of those press conferences and interviews

11:02

that I've done that we've seen. Yeah,

11:05

yeah, especially like the last one, I'm like, damn,

11:08

the last two, but the last one, especially, I

11:10

was like, damn, you might

11:12

be hanging out with my boy Dalla Hoya too much.

11:14

All right, take me back to

11:16

the fallout of this title fight. You

11:19

climb the mountain, you make the changes, you get

11:21

the win streak, you get the Pantoja fight, talk

11:23

to you ahead of that one. Such a big

11:25

moment for your career. But when

11:27

you lose it, and you know, you lost

11:30

it in the competitive fight, but it wasn't

11:32

disputed. You lost the damn fight, the champion

11:34

defended. Sometimes

11:36

fighters don't come back from that. Sometimes

11:38

it feels like the balloon of invincibility

11:40

gets popped and that's it. How did you

11:42

walk that out? How difficult was that? I

11:45

needed that Moreno fight. I needed that Moreno fight to kind

11:47

of pull me in a good place for sure. And

11:50

there's never no, like, I don't have doubt

11:52

I can beat Pantoja. I know I can

11:54

win that fight. I know little adjustments, little

11:57

things, I win that fight. Um,

12:01

I definitely wanted that. Moreno, like that Moreno fight

12:03

definitely pulled me out of that. Like the

12:05

place where I was just getting in my head and I was

12:08

staying at home too much, you know, and then you're not doing

12:10

what you need to do or what, like,

12:12

uh, what I need to do to

12:14

get it. And granted it was like, oh, I had,

12:16

it was a, it was the fight, the

12:18

Christmas and new year's and I had

12:20

family in town, all that stuff. So I wasn't getting

12:23

much training done, but the moment that fight

12:25

happened, it was just like, all right, cool. We got, we were

12:27

back to being focused a hundred percent and all that stuff. So

12:30

man, really that's what pulled me out of the dark place. And

12:32

then two is just like in my head, I

12:34

a hundred percent believe I could be Pantosha.

12:37

It's like, I know, I know

12:39

how outlandish it sounds, but like, I know, I know

12:41

I can win that fight. I know I can beat

12:43

him. I know a couple of small

12:45

adjustments in either one of those fights. I could

12:47

win those. Hey, for

12:50

you to come back so quickly, take a huge fight.

12:52

I'm always a little nervous. Is it too much too

12:54

soon? Are you trying too hard to run it back?

12:57

It turned out to be exactly what you needed,

12:59

but it took the changes that you mentioned that

13:01

you made in camp. So you

13:03

said you didn't get a guaranteed number one

13:05

contender fight. It could lead that way. What

13:07

is your strategy? I mean, besides staying healthy

13:10

and waiting by the phone, where do you

13:12

go from here? Uh, I

13:14

have a few ideas that if they're not going to give me the Pantosha 301

13:16

fight, I have a few

13:18

ideas on who's next. I mean, mainly just like

13:20

one other couple of people available. So the flyway

13:22

division is a little weird. So it's like, there's

13:24

a handful of people that you can fight. But

13:27

I mean, I'll fight either one of those

13:29

two dudes. I'm just kidding. But, uh, yeah.

13:32

Um, but the goal is always the

13:34

same, man. Just try to get that belt, try to try to

13:36

chase who's at the top. Uh,

13:38

I'm kind of all about exciting fights too. I

13:40

love that. That was like my first time ever

13:42

actually striking a whole entire fight. Uh,

13:45

I've never got to do that as far as been

13:47

not only in the UFC, but in, uh, in

13:50

MMA, you should get taken down. So, you know, not

13:52

that we're avoiding takedowns, I might have to be able

13:54

to strike for three, four or five rounds or whatever

13:56

it is. So, uh, but that was

13:59

my first time striking like pretty much. whole fight.

14:01

So that was pretty cool and it's just like I

14:03

like the exciting fights. Fighting

14:06

Moreno gets me out of bed and there's a couple of dudes that I'm

14:08

like, it'd be so fun to fight

14:10

them. Well

14:13

this division is so fun. I

14:15

always say post Mighty Mouse and Suhudo

14:17

because anybody can win the title.

14:19

Anybody ranked in the top 10 is you

14:21

know two big wins away it seems or sometimes

14:23

one from getting their opportunity. Does it feel that

14:26

way within the top 10 that you know

14:28

as much as like you

14:30

can beat anybody at any time but you can lose to

14:32

anybody at a time. It feels like the competition is so

14:34

even across the board at 125. Yeah I feel like

14:38

I'm gonna beat all of them up

14:40

honestly. That's how I feel. I know

14:43

across the board I feel like even even when you go back

14:45

like there's that new kid Josh Band man.

14:47

I love watching him fight. I've been watching him fighting

14:49

the coma but it's like that kid boxing off the

14:51

chain. He does some cool things and it's just like

14:53

all around the board man. I just feel like the

14:55

flyweight division is way more interesting now

14:58

and I feel like there's so many good fights and so

15:00

many cool things you can do along the lines and it's

15:02

like I definitely want to

15:04

go in and win a battle

15:06

defend it a few times and you

15:08

know watch the flyweight division from a distance once

15:11

all these kids develop get good and start

15:13

really developing some of their skills but the

15:15

up and comers are you young

15:18

and they're good man they're really good. Having

15:21

two losses to the current champion. Does

15:23

that not hold you back in the same way it

15:26

held we thought it would hold Holloway

15:28

back from getting a third Volkanovski fight but he got

15:30

it but there were other matchups where

15:32

there were rumors at times when people always go wait

15:34

that guy's lost to that guy twice. Do

15:37

you think that'll be something that holds you back from getting

15:39

another shot at Pantoship? Possibly

15:42

possibly and I feel like that fight was just not long

15:44

ago you know what I'm saying so that's like another thing

15:46

that could hold me back from it but

15:49

I knew when I took the

15:51

Moreno fight I was doing whatever I had to do

15:53

to get back to where I wanted to be and

15:55

that's exactly what it is. It's just like I took

15:58

a risk like that for a reason you know. I

16:00

took a risk like that because I'm like, it's

16:03

going to be hard to deny me once you're back to being the

16:05

number one contender. It

16:09

had to be great to redeem the loss

16:11

to Moreno. Was there a part

16:13

of you that celebrated that? Yeah,

16:15

a little bit, but Mammy was just like, man,

16:18

I really don't count that as a loss.

16:20

Sorry, my dog's seen a girl dog and

16:22

trying to lay the mac down, honestly. I'm

16:26

here, baby. Kind of live up to the family nickname.

16:29

Yeah, yeah. All right. He's

16:31

a little pretty boy. But yeah,

16:33

a little bit, it was a little cool to

16:35

just have that. And like, I feel like I was

16:37

only watching like some of the press conference highlights, where

16:40

he's like, while I was beating Brandon and stuff like that,

16:42

I didn't hear all this stuff. Like he was saying nice

16:44

stuff before and then they'd cut and be like, they're rude

16:46

shit. So in my head, I

16:48

was like, this dude just thinks he won the fight.

16:50

And it's like, that's so weird to me. Like I

16:52

wouldn't be celebrating that really if it's just like I

16:55

had nothing to do with

16:57

the – whatever it is, the shoulder popping out. If

16:59

I'd have a kamora and a shoulder popped out, then

17:01

I wouldn't be really celebrating it. It's just like a

17:03

weird accident that happened, you know? But

17:06

I went back, watched the highlight, like the actual things. I'm

17:08

like, oh, he was saying some sweet stuff. It was just

17:10

what they played was the asshole thing. So maybe I needed

17:12

that in my head too because I was like, fuck this

17:14

guy out. But

17:17

yeah, a little bit of that. And just a little bit of just man, you

17:20

got to be – he's the number one spot. I

17:23

didn't like think about it until after the fight, but like that's

17:25

a former champion I just beat. And that's cool in itself, man.

17:30

I feel like these little markers that I cross

17:32

off along the way has just been a blessing

17:35

in disguise, you know? Well, I heard

17:37

the call out afterwards when you were sort of trying

17:39

to say like, hey, Mexican crowd, you

17:41

can support me too. You know what I

17:43

mean? Like did you feel like you won

17:45

them over by the end of that night?

17:47

No. I mean, to a degree. To a

17:49

degree, there's like a handful of people that – most people were cool.

17:51

Most people were being cool. And there's

17:54

a handful of people that were like talking

17:56

shit, flipping me off, like Doing

17:58

the most, grabbing at me. When

18:00

are walking by so. It was a

18:03

little dicey still. Or

18:05

I will look. Here's your shirtless in the park

18:07

right now? You're living your best life. Is.

18:10

As a good hard locally to be Brandon roy follow him

18:12

and if. You. Try to bite. You know Delta Aids at

18:14

the Circle Qaeda is it is. It is a difficult

18:16

because people com aren't up to a they know where

18:19

you are. It. it depends on like

18:21

what area man fisher like that like a you

18:23

recognize more my certain places and not. But.

18:26

Ah, Now. I know many Now

18:28

I'm not going to. Be. Doing this forever

18:30

sided have to enjoy it when I can. You different

18:32

than. What you dogs the

18:34

as a big obelia have under the i got

18:36

and scroll down your butt kicking of weight during

18:38

the last couple weeks. Or

18:42

the last four days past. Or

18:44

this is it's this is what do people wanna

18:46

know how the sausage gets made any in When

18:49

you come off of a training camp you win

18:51

a big fight. Is it a

18:53

week of? like? Whatever fits? In my body

18:55

or is it a little discipline and that. No.

18:57

No discipline at all bro. I think the

18:59

the A.if I can if I can finish

19:02

it brought you should see I'm a Girl

19:04

scout. Cookies I ran through I've had I've

19:06

had is collected up and yeah I would

19:08

probably like six boxes which is annoying. I

19:10

gotta get the favorite here because I bought

19:12

the Gone On record a million times. If

19:14

it's not thin mints I wanna know what's

19:16

wrong with you. What can I hear them

19:18

all along the way? Lot of people like

19:20

the tag along thought like weird stuff to

19:22

the coconut once I don't know about that.

19:24

Where does the raw dog get down on

19:26

the girl hour Fitness. For. Iger the if you do

19:28

a good I liked Edmunds Euro we're Girl Scout leader

19:30

in on I'm saying like. It's. Like it's

19:33

it's the crack cocaine of cookies, you know? And

19:35

let's go. let's go on. here are some they

19:37

give you know about the like the sleeves even

19:39

better with a compact it a little better you

19:41

not saying there's so much that goes into what

19:43

makes a thin mint the best Girl Scout cookie

19:45

law. Both a tag along as as a second.

19:48

Not. A close second. But a second, you know? I.

19:52

This. Is cool I guess get to pick the brain

19:54

of of the raw dog here as his show on

19:56

our what is this monstrous when her you should see

19:58

how much like the a dude. Do you talk

20:00

with quesabir tacos? I'm

20:03

sorry. What did you just say like burger try to

20:05

make me speak a little bit of Spanish, which I've

20:07

been already messing up Hey, it's a beer.

20:09

Yeah tacos. It's a beer. Yeah. I don't

20:11

know. I said oh, yeah. Yeah I know I know what

20:13

you're talking about now. Yes, bro. Every

20:15

day. I've been having some of those I hit

20:17

all street vendors Yeah,

20:20

brah. I'm bad. I'm one of those people that like

20:22

I make way easily and I've never missed weight in

20:24

my life But the week

20:26

or two weeks after a fight I can look like a whole different

20:28

person Walk around like I ate me

20:30

or something, you know And

20:33

maybe this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me is I

20:36

know I can make flyweight in a week and a half With

20:39

we're just trying to kill my body and

20:41

from there on out Did you see

20:43

the rehydrations from that card? I mean

20:45

people from from 298 Jeff kneels 30

20:48

pounds over after weighing in

20:51

Yeah, this can't be safe. This can't

20:53

be sustainable and like maybe

20:55

it's different from them But it's like if I gained

20:57

30 pounds, I would be uncomfortable Like

21:00

that's too big of a difference, you know, I like

21:02

going in at like 140 143 no higher than that

21:06

That's like my ideal weight But

21:09

damn man if I was anything above

21:11

that I'd be uncomfortably like back there

21:13

bouncing around I when I take

21:15

my shirt off I don't take my shirt off that much in public

21:17

even though it kind of looks like you know, it's a bad timing

21:19

honestly but Off

21:22

in public. I don't normally do this

21:24

though. It's cool. Yeah, I was

21:26

wearing a lame shirt I don't want you to see it, you know, I'm Taking

21:33

a look when you take off your shirt from the UFC

21:35

crowd, I'm like, you know, I'm not big or anything I'm

21:37

a little insecure. So it's So

21:40

I'm not trying to have a belly on top of

21:42

having this skinny body like a zero

21:44

muscle Big old ballet like

21:46

I like to look weird real quick the tacos You

21:48

just if you could make that one on a week

21:51

and a half then I guess you've got a head

21:53

an advantage over others Oh, give

21:55

me in layman's terms. How insanely tough

21:57

is it to make championship weight? I mean, is

21:59

it? I assume it's like every time you

22:01

do it, you say this will be the last time,

22:04

right? Yeah, I was

22:06

really grateful that I got the legally on that pound this one

22:08

around but My

22:10

last I died it my last bite when

22:12

I fought Pantoja at the championship weight was

22:14

easy because When

22:17

I was the backup I made that show so hard.

22:19

I made it so hard I can't believe I I can't believe

22:21

I messed up that much on my diet and it's been like

22:24

Since I was younger that I've done it that bad But

22:27

when I started cutting waterway, I weighed 142 like

22:30

Wednesday. I woke up. I weighed 142 I

22:33

looked at I called my new trish up and I was like What

22:35

are we gonna do about this bro? Like you're

22:37

getting in the sauna right now So I cut weight for

22:40

pretty much 24 hours and uh cut

22:42

17 pounds that last pound was probably the

22:44

worst one But yeah,

22:47

man that that day sucked I don't know where I

22:49

went wrong or I think I just got cocky with

22:51

it And I like thought I knew everything and

22:54

I just stopped checking my weight until I got

22:56

there That was a mistake.

22:58

But oh Yeah, man. Yeah,

23:01

that was that was a horrible day I'm glad I have

23:03

to fight that next day to a certain degree But

23:05

when I pop in is that gap

23:07

of a day and a half from the way into the

23:09

fight Enough even if the

23:12

weight cut was difficult to feel like yourself

23:14

again come fight night. I believe

23:16

so. I believe so for sure It's

23:19

plenty of time. I've had a fight in the

23:21

morning and weighed in at night type

23:23

thing before so for me That's

23:25

plenty of time and it's like I

23:28

don't cut dangerously I feel like I'm really good

23:30

about it and I've had a nutritionist since I

23:32

was younger and a couple

23:34

of smart things that I've done along the way that

23:36

I Think some of these dudes like

23:39

when I bought ask our ask our ask

23:41

our or I was supposed to ask faster I

23:43

heard he was like there the night of cutting

23:45

20 pounds or something and he's like asking people

23:47

He's like how do how do you cut? How

23:50

do you guys cut way? I like even when

23:52

I showed up to a Mexico

23:54

dude, there's dudes cutting weight on Tuesday like

23:56

to the night. They're sitting there in the

23:58

sauna and it's like You guys are sitting

24:01

in the sauna and then you guys have to drink water. You're

24:03

pretty much just like spinning your wheels It's like boxing. Have

24:05

you ever been around like a boxers don't

24:07

know how to cut weight really like they don't cut weight intelligently

24:10

I'll be in a boxing room and these dudes all have sweatsuits

24:12

on right there and they're like, yeah We're cutting weight and I'm

24:14

like that's not how you do it You

24:16

got to burn calories when you're a couple weeks out, you

24:18

don't cut water weight three weeks out That's dumb and then

24:20

are like they're not necessarily cutting water weight They're cutting water

24:23

weight and then putting it right back on. So it's just

24:25

like we're spinning our wheels right now You got

24:27

to burn calories and it's like that that's

24:29

the that's the move is being in a

24:31

Clark deficit which sucks But it

24:33

is it is what it is what you have to do It's

24:36

incredible what you guys go through to

24:38

to live out this dream to entertain

24:40

us I got to get your your

24:42

thoughts on some pressing topics right here.

24:44

Ilja Toporia wins the featherweight title. Congratulations

24:46

to him He's the king of Spain.

24:48

He's the king of Europe. He's

24:50

the king of Luke Thomas's heart

24:53

In fact Luke's got a bone-air from here

24:55

to Hanover, Ohio Over the

24:57

rise of Toporia. Do we let Luke Thomas

24:59

have this or do we call him out

25:02

for his annoying man? Love I

25:04

think we might have to let him have this man. Love a little

25:06

bit man. It's a poor a I Mean,

25:09

he's good man. His ground game is good and

25:11

he's just out here knocking people out you watch

25:13

it like earlier fights like when they're in one of my friends

25:15

was his uh, Thought

25:17

earlier to pray like when he was when he was first

25:19

fighting the UFC's useless law But

25:22

if you watch it like come up He was submitting a bunch of

25:24

people and then it like started to turn a knock out things like

25:26

this kids just developing But when he first came on

25:28

scene, he was like originally just like grappler and it's

25:31

like now he's knocking people out and now he's just

25:33

a real problem everywhere and I Don't

25:36

know how he does against max Hallway

25:40

But if both doesn't make big adjustments, I think the

25:42

same results gonna happen He has

25:44

a certain aura about him and all that thing, but I think

25:46

maybe like a max Hallway could be a bad matchup for him

25:49

That would be a very very interesting fight, but if

25:51

he got through that man I don't want

25:53

to I don't want to get on board like Luke is but

25:55

this man might not lose for a bit You never know though.

25:57

I mean if you know, I mean if my guys the beat

25:59

gets in that bullpen once more than that could

26:01

change things. But on this

26:04

same night in Mexico City, just happens

26:06

to be a couple of my favorite fighters score

26:08

big wins, you in the main event, how about

26:10

T City man? How about our guy Brian Ortega?

26:12

Did that fire you up to see him come

26:14

from come back from hell and bust his ankle

26:16

dancing to warm up and then? 100%

26:19

especially someone because I got hurt in that first

26:21

round, especially someone got hurt in that first round

26:24

that Brian Ortega had me motivated in a pocket.

26:26

And then me and him have like the same storyline, you

26:29

know what I'm saying of like, we both got hurt

26:31

against our opponent, we're both fighting the dude in Mexico,

26:33

we're doing all this stuff. So we kind of have

26:35

the same storyline when it comes to that. So for some

26:37

reason I had in my head of like, the

26:39

moment Brian Ortega went on like, I'm for sure winning like,

26:42

I put that in my head after he won that fight,

26:44

I was like, Oh, cool, we're catching W's now. And I

26:47

do so many dumb things because he had a loss that

26:50

I would have put some weird thing together that that's why

26:52

he lost and I'm gonna win type thing. But I'll

26:54

get like weirdly, some superstition that only

26:56

works out for me type thing. But that was the one

26:58

that was the one leading up to his me and him

27:00

are warming up together right next to each other in the

27:03

locker room. He popped the shoulder out, I popped my shoulder

27:05

out, he just beat some dude direct from Mexico being in

27:07

a Mexican American and same thing as me. So in my

27:09

head, I was just like, oh,

27:11

now I'm for sure gonna win since Brian Ortega won.

27:13

So yeah, you said you guys

27:16

had similar stories. I was hoping you had a

27:18

similar social life to that guy because you know,

27:20

he's, he's a lot of people's heroes for the

27:22

right reasons to be very fair. Yeah, you're comparing.

27:24

This is the second time you compared a beautiful

27:26

man compared to myself. It's

27:28

like, I'm sure his DMs are popping

27:30

and stuff too. But oh god, we're married. Who

27:32

would have saw that coming or take us married?

27:35

I know. Here we go. Happy to hear

27:37

for does Carl McGregor ever

27:39

fight again? I don't think so. But

27:43

he's gonna tease bro. I need Michael

27:45

Taylor needs to give up on that because I

27:47

don't think he's ever. Michael Taylor might not ever

27:49

fight again if he keeps pressing. He

27:52

might be giving up what's left of his peak

27:54

earning years waiting for this payday, right? 100% 100%.

27:57

It's like if he's

27:59

not getting direct. review money off of it

28:01

then he's wasting money right

28:03

now like if he's just if he's fighting for

28:05

a normal contract type thing on it he might

28:09

just be wasting money right now or wasting time to

28:11

make money all right have you

28:13

seen it money Moikado another guy I love

28:15

just a absolute crazy man calling

28:18

out the UFC saying enough for these shitty

28:20

fight nights enough for the apex let's you know he

28:22

was he didn't want to fight at the apex but

28:24

he did it yeah just do the fighters start to

28:27

echo this or is this just something the

28:29

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is what the wrongly

30:01

I'm talking about like since there's so many fighters

30:03

that they They put on

30:05

some fighters that I don't think would have been UFC

30:07

quality like or should have been used to choir like

30:09

top-notch quality So you get like a condensed version of

30:11

what real great fighters could be you know what I'm saying

30:13

Do you remember like back in the day when you watch

30:16

the UFC and you know every fighter on the card? Oh,

30:18

I mean it's like yeah Yeah, there was like

30:21

a time where I knew every fighter on

30:23

the card from beginning to end Now

30:25

it's like I don't know half these dudes. I don't even know some

30:27

of these guys in my weight class I'm like, oh shit. This guy's

30:29

a flyweight. Uh Yeah, so

30:31

it's just kind of like uh, I Mean

30:34

it's cool cuz they're making their money. So in like

30:37

oh are they random 12 and 12 isn't is

30:39

in ringing to I'm

30:41

not talking about the fighters. I'm talking about the UFC. Okay

30:45

The UFC is making their money. Sorry about

30:48

that one. Okay Yeah,

30:51

yeah, you're with the products being a being

30:54

watered down watered down They've

30:57

got dates to fill it's become what it is

30:59

the the Dana white contender series has become a

31:01

factory for them I understand it.

31:04

I can see it. Um on

31:06

this note because I am self-conscious

31:08

sometimes We rail against

31:10

power slap because it's disrespectful man.

31:12

There's no defense Do

31:15

fighters care about that absolute bullshit? About

31:18

a defense. Obviously, I don't know I mean, but when

31:20

you see how when you see your own company put

31:22

out power slap is it like, okay cool Go do

31:24

your thing or is it like man at that? I

31:27

just don't think it should be on their social media

31:29

like I don't think you see should be posting like

31:32

some dude slap and another person cuz it's like I've

31:34

been in the US CPI with these guys and what

31:37

they do compared to what we do is like a

31:39

joke like these dudes are Like I don't even know

31:41

why they are wasting time on the scale. They're sitting

31:43

there like none of them cut weight They're all just

31:45

sitting there like eating fucking fruit roll up Not

31:47

like acting like an athlete at all and

31:50

then go jump it on the scale. They're like,

31:52

oh I'm this and like this is uh I

31:54

don't know man. I guess it's the whatever whatever

31:56

you can consider us for I don't know what

31:58

the technical term that qualifies or defines the sport,

32:00

but it's just like what they

32:02

do and what we do is 100% different and for

32:06

a million different reasons, but it's just

32:09

like the discipline it takes to be

32:11

an MMA fighter and being at

32:14

the UFC PI and stuff like that. I

32:16

remember just being on around like, this is

32:18

like my museum, you know what I'm saying?

32:20

There's a playground for me, there's punching bags,

32:22

there's speed bags, there's everything I ever wanted.

32:25

There's two different pages, one big size, one

32:27

small size and these assholes are

32:29

on the speed bag, flapping it like idiots and

32:31

I'm like, I

32:33

don't know man. As someone who loves

32:35

the martial arts, I don't consider slapping the martial arts

32:37

portion of it. You know what I'm saying? It's

32:40

shocking to me. It's shocking to me the effort put

32:42

in, but hey, it's business. They feel

32:44

like it's hot in India. They say it's hot

32:46

in India. What do I know? What do I

32:48

know? I'm just dwelling in my basement right now.

32:52

When you see a card like UFC 300, you won't be

32:54

able to get on it. You just main event in Mexico

32:56

City. As a fighter, is that the goal? Would

32:58

you have wanted to been on that more than anything or does

33:00

it not matter to you? Yeah, that

33:02

was my goal if I won the fight or if I lost

33:04

the fight. Who was I going to call

33:08

out for UFC 300 right

33:11

after the Pantoja fight? But if I won that fight, if

33:13

I could be on that UFC 300 card, I've been so

33:15

sweet. But I was trying

33:17

to find fighters that would be fun to find

33:20

on that card anyway. So that was like another thing

33:22

that I was going to do is just call someone

33:25

out and try to get on that UFC 300 card

33:27

because what an honor that

33:30

would be to be a part of one of those legacy cards. It's

33:33

incredible. It's history. Those round numbers matter. I

33:36

get into arguments about it, but they do

33:38

matter. They are a moment in time. It's

33:42

one of those stupid things, but it's like, yeah, it's a cool card

33:44

to be a part of. I was curious

33:46

to see what the main event was. I'm still excited

33:48

about the main event. For sure, it's a dope fight,

33:50

but I was curious what they're going to do

33:52

because it just seemed like they're going to have fucking Godzilla

33:54

vs. King Kong in there at a certain point. The

33:56

build up was so big that... I

34:00

thought it would be something major. All

34:03

right. We've seen a celebrity. Oh,

34:05

look, the UFC, let's give them credit. They're celebrities

34:08

galore showing up at every event. But

34:10

to see Volkanovski put Mark Zuckerberg in his

34:12

corner, we've seen a few other times with

34:15

as I celebrities get... Dude, when Mike Perry put

34:17

Coach Latorre in his corner, it was the coolest

34:19

freaking thing of all time. Have

34:21

you ever wanted to experiment with something like that?

34:24

And what do you lose by

34:26

sacrificing a member of your corner to

34:28

put somebody famous in? Yeah,

34:31

yeah. I was about to have Mike Perry's grow up

34:33

in my corner too one time. I was just joking.

34:36

Scratch that. I don't want to get my ass kicked. Them's

34:39

just jokes. Yeah, you're about to pitch

34:41

some of that bare face. I'm telling

34:43

you. I know, huh? Yeah, Mike Perry's

34:45

a man. But

34:48

dude, I would do that shit for sure. I only had three

34:51

corners in this fight. And it's like be quite fair too. I

34:53

don't know if I even listen to shit when I fight. My

34:56

corner did a great job and I was doing some of this

34:58

stuff. I feel like I

35:00

barely started listening in my fights recently. So it's

35:03

a that was one thing I was thinking

35:05

of too is just like I had an option at four corners

35:07

when you're the main event and it's

35:09

like people were leaving messages like saying they'll give

35:11

me money to be in that corner. I'm like,

35:14

so if I get $50,000 for someone to be in my corner,

35:16

maybe I secured a sponsor. You

35:18

know what I'm saying? So yeah, if you want

35:20

to be in my corner besides him bringing that

35:22

bad juju and not carrying shit, I

35:25

would allow him for sure. I'm just saying. It

35:27

is weird seeing a nerd like Zuck go up there,

35:29

but you know, he's doing much better than I am.

35:31

Maybe I'll leave. But when you look at a nerd

35:33

like that, you're like, this is either the dorkiest dude

35:35

ever or one of the best jujitsu practitioners

35:38

I've ever seen. Well,

35:40

Elon did not have the balls to pick up the phone.

35:42

But let me ask you this a year

35:44

from now. If Brandon Royvald

35:47

is going to be the flyweight champion of the world, what

35:50

has to happen? Does anything need to change? Has

35:52

it already changed mentally? How do you get to the

35:54

top of that mouse? I still

35:56

believe I could be all these guys with the skillset

35:58

I have now, but definitely rest. Wrestling

36:01

is something that when I was younger, I might've

36:04

already told you this on the interview, but I had a

36:07

Miguel Torres interview when I was younger and he

36:09

said, I'll be any

36:11

of these guys where they're good at. And he's like,

36:14

I kind of just had that mind state of just like, if you

36:16

take me down, that's where I want to beat you. That's where I

36:18

want to like win that. If we strike, that's where

36:20

I want to win at. And I kind

36:22

of had that mentality my whole entire

36:25

career and maybe not diving in deep

36:27

as a wrestling as I should and thinking of

36:29

me as like a point system. Because even

36:32

like a guy like Pantoja, who's a

36:35

killer fought on buffer points when

36:37

I mean him well. And it's like, if he's

36:39

doing that, then everybody's going

36:41

to start everybody's already doing it. It's just,

36:44

if he's doing that and he's a champion, and that's

36:46

like, then I need to start thinking about that too.

36:49

I'm just like, okay, this is going to

36:51

secure this round. It's going to do that. Just going to do

36:53

that. And it's like, we're in such

36:55

a high level where it's like, these

36:58

guys that I'm fighting are all really good. And it's like,

37:00

it's hard to get finishes now. When I

37:02

was younger, it was just like, oh, you're a wrestler.

37:04

You want to take the fight down. I'm going to

37:06

submit you two seconds. It's like, these guys are real

37:08

class. Pantoja is a real class grappler. He's not going

37:11

to be easy submission for sure. And

37:13

that motherfucker might have the best chin in

37:15

the UFC. So finishing him isn't really the

37:17

best option. Yeah. So when

37:20

you won that title, dude, you got to, you got to

37:22

pull one out for him. He gave all. That's why I

37:24

didn't think he was going to, that's why I thought you

37:26

were going to beat him for the belt, mostly because I

37:28

didn't know how much he left in the cage against Marina.

37:31

Yeah. Yeah. And I was thinking that too. I'm like, dude, this

37:33

chin, this chin has to be eventually cracked. And it's like,

37:36

I know I got like a, like I'm

37:38

not the strongest puncher maybe, but I

37:40

know I have a strong kick and a strong knee

37:42

and he walked into one of those so flush and

37:44

just is not bad. And I, and I was like,

37:46

this guy, this guy can

37:48

take a punch. And, and, uh, that

37:51

being said, is his submission defense is great. So it's just

37:53

like, when it comes down to that, I might have to

37:55

actually win on points are just a

37:58

real gut battle. I think, I think that's how. I

38:02

would just stay in his face the whole entire time and

38:05

just do a battle of will. You know, and it's

38:07

like at a certain point, it's just like,

38:10

I'm going to turn into a gut race. And

38:12

that's how I want to see my

38:14

next fight going with him is just no matter what it is, I'm

38:16

going to make him work harder than he's ever worked in his whole

38:19

entire life. And I'm not going to step back. Flyway

38:21

track meet in the trilogy

38:23

with Pantoja. Yeah. Like

38:27

if he doesn't get it. I haven't. Go

38:29

ahead. Go ahead. No, no, I haven't.

38:32

I haven't. With. Free

38:35

Fontaine, man. I have like a real big

38:37

pre Fontaine obsession and that's

38:39

all he was like not a

38:41

talented racer. What I feel like that about myself,

38:43

I'm not like I've never been talented at anything. But

38:46

it's just like in a guts battle and a

38:48

battle of will. I've always been great. I've always

38:50

thrived there. And I feel like that's

38:52

where I would take it next is I was trying

38:54

to out sophisticated. I was trying to

38:57

be tricky with them and it's just like, let's

38:59

just see where it's hard. Let's see who got bigger heart.

39:01

Let's see who got a bigger set of nuts when it

39:03

comes down to it. You know, and wave oaths. Yeah,

39:06

bro. One

39:08

week of Mexico, I should start messing

39:11

up on that. Simone. Oh,

39:14

you mentioned I love the rain and

39:17

pre fontaine's got the great running quote of to

39:20

paraphrase. It's not about who's faster. It's who's

39:22

what willing to endure more pain. Could

39:26

you take that to the UFC cage? Oh,

39:30

100%, 100%. I

39:32

didn't want to take it there, but I feel like I

39:35

have to know like next few guys are they're

39:37

good. And it's just like I

39:40

feel like it's going to turn into like a like

39:43

one of those just like who can endure more

39:45

pain moving into all that. That's actually like kind

39:47

of one thing that got me through camp too

39:49

is just like a thing like that. It

39:53

was something similar to that. Just like how

39:56

much pain are you willing to put yourself through is like the close

39:58

to our living kind of thing. And it's

40:00

like, I kind of went from one camp to the

40:02

next camp and like, I was facing injuries after the

40:04

Pantos if I actually injured my hand pretty badly. So

40:07

it was like, I was pretty much training the first couple

40:09

of weeks without like fully being able to engage in that.

40:13

And, and then, you know, I had a cutting

40:15

weight, two times a drill stuff. So it's just like, in

40:18

my head, it was just like, I wanted to put myself

40:20

through hell because man, that's, that's

40:22

really what this fucking sport comes down to sometimes,

40:25

man. And it's like, if you want it, it's

40:27

just hard work. And it's like, I've lived that

40:29

life for so long that it's like almost nothing

40:31

to me nowadays. It's hard work is what we

40:33

do around here. And I really believe

40:36

that this is a, this is a part that I actually finish

40:38

my runs at normally. And when, yeah,

40:40

I'm in Denver. So

40:43

during camps, I'll hit like a 12 mile run. And

40:45

this is where I finish it at. And it's

40:47

just like, yeah, so it's nice to just sit

40:50

back here and not be fucking sore shit and

40:52

all that other stuff. Now, do you get to

40:55

have a THC party at the end of the workout? Is

40:57

that what happens in Colorado? Yeah. Yeah.

40:59

Yeah. For sure, man. Actually, actually might do

41:01

that right now. But

41:04

yeah, I just enjoy it. Morning

41:06

combat edition. Yes. Yes.

41:09

It's a beautiful day. And, uh, when we're

41:11

all leaving Colorado snowy, like this shit. We're

41:13

also happy to go to Mexico city because look like there was a

41:15

blizzard before. And I'm like, I had a good

41:17

time to get the hell out of here. There

41:20

it is. Man, I could just pick the

41:22

brain of the raw dog for, for a,

41:24

you know, weekly segment here for hours. I

41:27

appreciate the time Brandon inside the mind. One

41:29

of my favorite. Let me take, let me take your brain.

41:31

Do you think, uh, Ken Martin has a chance of being

41:34

tank Davis? Uh,

41:36

what the fuck? Frank Martin or

41:38

whatever. Frank Martin. He has a chance. Yes.

41:42

I accept that fight. I love that fight. You know,

41:44

of course you want to see Gervonta against Haney against

41:46

tail female gets all the big names. I do question

41:48

how much bigger and weight Gervonta is going to allow

41:50

himself to grow. There's a lot of killers at one

41:52

40 that I don't know if he's going off his

41:54

way to fight. I love that fight

41:56

with Frank Martin. He's got the speed. He's got the

41:58

dog. He's got some poppies. gets inside on you. I

42:01

think Frank Martin could win. I don't

42:03

think he will, but I don't have any issue

42:06

with this matchup whatsoever. It's funny

42:08

bringing up Ryan Garcia again. As much as I love

42:10

that matchup because of the star power, I

42:13

don't see how I give Ryguy a chance

42:15

against Haney, especially if he's

42:17

off, if he's living the Oscar life. If

42:19

there's fishnets showing up soon, stopping,

42:21

I don't know if I'm going to give him a shot at

42:23

all in that one. Oh,

42:27

absolutely. And then like, that's one thing about Ryan Garcia,

42:29

you got to give him credit for it. He's willing

42:31

to take some of these hard fights. It's like if

42:33

I was him, I probably would have fought Roly or

42:35

like a, like a pimple. I would, I would definitely

42:37

have took my sweet time to go fight Haney, but

42:40

him calling out Haney right off the bat was like,

42:42

this guy's really like risking it all, man. And he's

42:44

one of the top paid boxers. If I was one

42:46

of the top paid boxers, I was like that much,

42:48

I would definitely have not fought Haney next. And

42:51

I might have a duck tank a little bit

42:53

too, but maybe that's what's getting him paid his

42:55

tank really honestly. But yeah,

42:57

some of the, it's good to see like it's

43:00

such a good time for boxing, but

43:02

Frank Marin has to be one of my favorite to

43:04

like watch as a Southpaw. And yeah,

43:06

just watching like that Southpaw, like the way he moves, he,

43:08

him and boots are like kind of like move the same.

43:10

And like, even like that little Lomo Jacob movement, but like

43:12

they're a little bit bigger. So I

43:15

don't know, man, it'd be cool to watch Frank Martin

43:17

take that, but I don't think so. Yeah.

43:19

I hope they make that fight soon. I know, I

43:21

know there's been rumors that it's being signed behind the

43:23

scenes, but we got to see it. We got to

43:26

see more big fights. Canelo not fighting Benavir is, I

43:28

mean, what are we doing raw dog? Come on, bro.

43:30

I know. He's not going to fight him at all.

43:32

He's fighting the other Charlo. No,

43:34

he wants, he's going over to the zone.

43:36

He wants to fight a Munguia or the

43:39

big puncher Edgar Burlanga, who's not ready yet.

43:41

Not, not ready for. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, good

43:43

to see you get into the box too.

43:45

That's what I'm talking about. You would never

43:47

do BKFC, would you? Yeah.

43:49

Oh, fuck no. I would never do BKFC. And then that's like another

43:51

thing too, is I'm in a weird weight class where it's like, uh,

43:54

I would have to like, if I was

43:57

trying to make money and challenge one of these boxers,

43:59

I'm not fighting. I would have wanted that. So

44:01

like, and then, uh, who are the guys that are fighting today?

44:04

Are tomorrow. There's two dudes that are my weight class

44:06

pretty much that are fine. Like, I don't know

44:08

if I want to fight either one of those dudes either. Like these

44:10

weight class are pretty good. And it's like, uh, I don't know, man.

44:14

Maybe like a heavyweight and I

44:16

had the heavyweight skill. What

44:18

am I, but these fucking little dudes are good. You

44:21

can get carved up in that game, man. You can

44:23

get carved. Have you seen Kramouth on the

44:25

show? I've seen Kramouth on the show. I've seen Kramouth

44:27

on the show. I do. Have you

44:29

seen Kramouth? Like Kramouth Morton or Moen or whatever.

44:31

Kramouth Morton, Floyd Mayweather's young prospect. He, he looked,

44:34

I mean, he's young, but he looks to be

44:36

the goods. Yeah. Yeah. He

44:38

might be the guy, man. I was watching him spar.

44:40

I'm like that motherfucker is so goddamn good. All

44:43

right. So what, who, the guy I've circled of

44:45

the boxers right now that I think most has

44:47

the, I can't put a ceiling on him is

44:50

Shakur Stevenson. Who's that guy for you? Uh,

44:53

for sure. And I feel like everybody's ducking him right now

44:55

too. I feel like he's, he might be the

44:57

most duck and he, cause he doesn't have like the, the necessary

44:59

star power to want to fight him right now, but,

45:02

uh, yeah. I think they're not being able to move.

45:05

Yeah. Cause even with Haney, it's like, I thought Loma

45:07

beat Haney and I'm a huge Loma fan. So I'm probably

45:09

just going to say that no matter what, but I

45:11

thought Loma beat Haney and,

45:13

uh, I don't know. You know, it's another weird one

45:15

is, uh, is, uh, Teofima.

45:18

Teofima is one of those dudes who I'm like, this

45:20

guy could be the best boxer on the rules one day.

45:22

And then the next day he's just fucking, I don't know.

45:25

Yeah. It's weird. Yeah. There's always chaos in

45:27

his life too. And sometimes he juggles it

45:29

perfectly and shocks you all the time. You're

45:32

like, what the hell's going on here? It's weird. Yeah.

45:34

I thought Oscar Valdez might even won that fight. Uh,

45:37

maybe I was going it wrong, but I thought like, maybe

45:39

I was just impressed by how good Oscar Valdez was doing,

45:41

but I thought the same thing with the, with the Loma,

45:43

I'm like, Oscar Valdez is good, man. He's just right outside

45:45

that like little area where you're like, just

45:47

seeing him do so many good things. But it's just like, uh,

45:51

man, I would love to see him catch up out sooner, one of those.

45:54

You're talking about Valdez or Jermaine Ortiz. Who Taylor

45:56

Jermaine Ortiz, Jermaine Ortiz. What the fucker? That's

45:59

good fighter too, man. I get all

46:01

these fools confused constantly. So I'll

46:03

be saying that Haney for Shakur all that

46:05

all the time But yeah another

46:08

one. All right, like last one before I can

46:10

stop going off on boxing But I'll make you

46:12

boot stance boots is like another one of those

46:14

users when he goes southpaw It's like he does

46:17

so many cool little angles and so many cool

46:19

little things. That's like dude. He's a virtuoso He's

46:21

he's like out there abstract painting just like, you

46:23

know, just just playing outside the cords and noodling.

46:25

I'd love Love to

46:27

see him against Terrence Crawford, but I don't think there's a

46:29

chance we get that Yeah, yeah, that

46:31

is gonna take that which is far I

46:34

mean Terrence won't take the fight unless there was so

46:36

much money I think because I think Terrence is looking

46:38

at I got a couple super paydays left maybe Canelo,

46:40

you know I mean maybe Tim Zoo at 54 But

46:44

you you want to see a guy like boots who

46:46

has waited for a couple years in his look to

46:48

be that guy Who has next you want to

46:50

see him properly take the handoff by

46:52

going through a Modern

46:54

star to get there, right? You don't want to

46:57

see him win in a vacant title against

46:59

some guy you never heard of from Uzbekistan You

47:01

know, I mean you want to see him

47:03

go through the Thurman's the Crawford's dispenses so to

47:05

speak But it's politics box. She's got

47:07

a lot of BS politics I know UFC has

47:09

got a lot of BS politics, but you know,

47:12

I don't want to get you in trouble here

47:14

It's been so great talking right? Let me close

47:16

with this realistic question here because I love this

47:19

What's the best part about being a UFC fighter? Um,

47:22

the best part about being a see fighter Man,

47:25

I feel like this training like I love training and then

47:27

back in the day like I would train all the time

47:29

But it's just like the recovery part of it I never

47:31

had because I was working a job or like I was

47:33

in school and I was doing all these other little things

47:36

where you're Like I just didn't want to be like I

47:38

would like, you know I'm saying I I want I needed a place

47:41

to live and I wasn't one of those fighters that were

47:43

living in my car like living with roommates and stuff. I

47:45

live by myself always so it was just like I I

47:50

Was pretty much a lack in sleep like

47:52

I anything that any recovery time was me

47:54

working or doing some other thing and It

47:57

kind of turned into that BS. So for me, it's just training

47:59

full-time and just getting to do like, like I got

48:01

to go box. I get to go do jujitsu now.

48:03

And it's like, I get to go, like I'm not

48:05

just doing MMA classes. I get to go out and box

48:08

some of these boxes in Colorado. I get to go do

48:10

jujitsu with Michael Lear, who's one of the best jujitsu guys

48:12

in the world. And it's like, for me,

48:14

it's just a freedom that I have now. And it's like

48:16

that that's the coolest part because if I

48:18

didn't have to fight, I would almost enjoy that too.

48:21

But it's just like, I, I have in

48:23

order to train full time, I got to fight sometimes, you know,

48:26

True, but it allows you to really,

48:28

really hone your craft in ways that

48:30

working full time somewhere else wouldn't. I

48:33

thought you would say the walkout, the rush, because

48:35

I feel like that's one of those things that

48:37

brings people back. Is that not a thing for

48:39

you? No, no, I hate the

48:41

walkout. Honestly, I feel like the, my

48:44

walkout last time was cool because I mixed two songs that

48:47

I mixed my Shimmy Shimmy, Ooh Baby I Like

48:49

It Raw with a Mexican song. And

48:52

I had that whole crowd of fools until I

48:54

walked, until they saw my face. They're like, Oh

48:56

shit, boo. But I had the

48:58

whole crowd singing. So that was one of my favorite walkouts I've

49:00

had, uh, just because I

49:02

mixed two songs and, uh, you know,

49:04

there was a moment where the crowd

49:06

was goo-goo-gooting for me, but other than that, man, I

49:08

hate that walkout. That's actually one of the harder parts

49:10

for me is like walking out

49:13

and, uh, getting like, like being

49:15

in the back room, like warming up is cool. All the

49:17

other stuff's cool. Driving to

49:19

the arena and then walking out is the hardest

49:21

part for me. Interesting.

49:23

Love it, man. Love it. Could have been her

49:25

all day. Raw thought, thank you for the time.

49:27

We're going to see you back soon. Maybe right

49:30

soon ish. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully. I

49:32

wish they fight. Yeah. I'm not,

49:35

I'm kind of stay active too, man. There

49:37

it is, man. What a good dude.

49:40

Great to chat with you. Congratulations on

49:42

the win over Moreno. We'll do this

49:44

again. I appreciate you being, uh, what,

49:46

what should I say? Uh, you recognize

49:48

the MK you, you, you accept the

49:50

role that MK plays in this weird

49:52

combat kingdom. I appreciate it. All

49:55

right. Cool. Thanks for having me. Thanks for your time, bro.

49:57

I appreciate you for having me on again. Stay positive and

49:59

test. All right, bro, that's that's all

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