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24, you're looking at two wash dads. That's

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Campbell. And Luke, we were in

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Las Vegas this past weekend. Canelo

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versus Mongea. We're going to recap that. We're

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going to recap UFC 301. Iowa and

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New Ages did magic in Japan. But,

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Luke, I had a travel day from hell yesterday on

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my 17th wedding anniversary. No less. Are

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you officially divorced now? No, no.

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Thank you to my wonderful wife for understanding that this

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is the price we pay on top, Luke. But, you

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know, I spent the night in a

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NUB's Airport Hotel in Philadelphia. Took the train

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in this morning. And I played

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disease roulette at Newark Penn for a second. But

1:13

I'm back. I'm ready to go. I'm well showered,

1:15

but my clothes, definitely not, Luke. So you're going

1:17

to have to deal with that. Yeah. I

1:20

don't know why the kids say it this way, but they say it's giving. And

1:22

then they describe something. I don't know why they do

1:24

it that way. But I'm just going to say it's

1:26

giving homeless right here. Yes. It's

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giving. Yes. I had swamp

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ass and I just had to endure right through it. But, boy, do

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I mentioned, a huge weekend in combat sports

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Long Island Luke on the ones and twos that, You

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know, crazy. lying in a Hooters was was

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more than enough to get him involved and

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thing that happens. Else to the whims were

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Hooters yes I quickly look before we are

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we've you know and we banged vendors angry

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and and get into this bang java did

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a million as I am bang bang zone or

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know he's of i'm going to be I'm going

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to bang You know that was your pick of

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local high school? Yeah that was that where you're

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coming roman of buying. You have to have you

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wash the V at. Did you have enough adequate

2:40

time since you left early? Didn't stay for canal

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to wash the Vegas off of you? Ah yes

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I have. I.

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Showered and scalding hot water and him and like

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a like a Hooters and lives were cried in

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the shower. It is there and I got it

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out of my system five years and stand that

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city I really i as you know like I

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I really can't I don't know how broke a

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moto does it out of a dog can not

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not disturb the I fucking hope. Used.

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other communicable disease. Or speaking a diary.

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Oh, get to that. And second, put

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on. my guy and Dawson and I

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went down Fremont Street. Had that experience

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of uncertainty. Old school Vegas. Yeah, there's

3:20

Elm that has a mind as to

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take in all of that visual. There's

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a lot going on there. Live Korean,

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Sober. Know. But it will you

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know is very equivalent to that seen in Total

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Recall when they go to Mars and the other

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yeah eventually leads to the third boob reveal which

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deserve to sentimental O'brien aml in the Third City.

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I mean if. He at

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no one wants a third Teddy more in their life.

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a ride, job and. It was another

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world though. Can I'm not talking about the Cosby

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spin off, right? Or. In

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the one room right no I took

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the gross because you have to end up being like

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look can we show

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put that yeah put the camera on me let me

5:02

cook here topic number one is

5:04

where we were at this Saturday PBC

5:07

on Prime Pay-Per-View in Las Vegas and

5:09

Canelo Alvarez the four belt super middleweight

5:12

undisputed champion pound-for-pound great

5:15

all-time great did nothing to

5:17

change those narratives against a game

5:19

Jaime Munguia as Canelo dropped Munguia

5:21

in round four with a beautiful

5:23

right uppercut just as Jaime Munguia

5:25

was coming on offensively and

5:28

it wasn't as if there was no danger the

5:30

rest of the way but we got to see

5:32

Prime pound-for-pound Canelo do that in route

5:34

to a unanimous decision victory so Luke

5:36

first and foremost at 33 years old

5:40

he came in almost two pounds

5:42

less than the 168 pound limit was

5:44

was jacked up and down cut and

5:47

you had Canelo saying look I was in the best shape of my

5:49

life did we find out

5:51

once again the F around and find out

5:53

when it comes to Canelo don't

5:55

put baby in the corner look at the way

5:57

Canelo responded people said he didn't want to fight

5:59

Benavidez We'll get into that topic soon, but he

6:01

used that as fuel Oscar de la hoya his

6:04

ex promoter So it started a a blood war

6:06

between them and we got instead

6:09

Was a focus motivated the best of what's

6:11

left here of the great canal lava sweat

6:13

33 Luke how much is left? What did

6:15

this performance say about where he is at

6:17

pound for pound during the same weekend that

6:19

brings? Iowa a new way back out and

6:21

Terrence Crawford of course competing for number one

6:23

just the same well We'll talk about anyway

6:25

in just a minute. I've seen Terrence Crawford

6:27

returns at 154 against Israel Madromov and August

6:31

so we can have that conversation in a moment,

6:33

but for Canelo I Have

6:36

to tell you BC, and I feel like

6:38

I'm a little bit alone on this Standing

6:41

to wipe that partly but

6:44

also on the Canelo situation. I have

6:46

mixed feelings about this win What

6:49

what could be mixed so okay? Let's talk about

6:51

the good side. Did you not experience the siesta?

6:53

That was the Cinco de Mayo celebration. I know

6:55

you weren't in that arena, but siesta I don't

6:57

think it was a siesta. I think even it

6:59

was a siesta And

7:01

they weren't they weren't sleeping. This was a

7:03

boxing quinceaneria Quinceaneria though they were

7:06

doing I think that's what I thought a Newark

7:08

that's exactly what they did It did it translate

7:10

through the screen of what this was in all

7:12

Mexican party the first time since 20 We're sure

7:14

it did that Sure it did

7:16

that Listen when they were taught you were just

7:18

talking off camera about the Mexican or excuse me

7:20

the American National anthem that was played kind of

7:22

remixed the mariachi style and that was kind of

7:25

interesting and obviously the crowd was electric because it

7:27

Was two Mexican warriors, and I think that they

7:29

both fought as best as they could I don't

7:31

I'm not here to like drag down In

7:34

the case of Mungi a guy who I think gave what he

7:36

had and in the case of Canelo Who

7:40

put on I think in general

7:42

a pretty commendable performance a very

7:44

commendable performance actually his defense after

7:46

round four Once you dropped

7:48

in with the uppercut. I thought Canelo's defense Mungi

7:52

I thought for sure heading into this

7:54

contest that what would limit Mungi in

7:56

the end would be his defensive agreed

7:59

issues and really wasn't. Yes, he

8:01

got hit with that one big uppercut and

8:03

that was great, but in general that's

8:05

really not what held him back. Well that was

8:07

a big question about fight number two with Hall

8:09

of Famer Freddie Roach. I saw continued evolution from

8:11

the standpoint of defense and patience. There's no question.

8:13

I was gonna say that what held him back

8:15

was that once Canelo figured out

8:17

what his defense needed to be and what

8:20

range he needed to be in and what worked, Mungia

8:23

couldn't crack the code. He could not open him

8:25

up. There were so many

8:27

shots, yes early, but especially

8:29

late, where it would bounce

8:31

off the gloves or Canelo would kind of roll

8:34

with it or the hands would be just enough

8:36

to really take the steam off of what Mungia

8:38

was doing. So I recognize all of

8:40

that, but I guess here's the kind of the way

8:42

that I feel now that it's over and I re-watched

8:44

it again today. Nice. It's a different fight through the

8:46

first four rounds. It gets and then there's a bit

8:48

of a surge back in like the

8:50

maybe around nine, around ten, but then again

8:53

Canelo kind of closes the door on Mungia. The

8:56

problem for me in this fight was that

8:58

like, for example, BC, if you look at

9:00

Mungia's size, he's huge. He

9:03

was so much bigger than Charlo. He was so much

9:05

bigger than Canelo when they were there standing

9:07

next to one another. So I give Canelo credit

9:09

for taking on guys who are probably not, these

9:12

are bigger than him naturally. These are

9:14

naturally bigger guys. They're younger guys and

9:16

he is slowly kind of dismantling them

9:18

and I'm also not going to say

9:20

BC that this fight was the same

9:22

as the John Ryder fight where he guy was

9:24

overmatched and went, what are you trying to say?

9:26

You sound a little bit upset here. And I'm

9:28

not saying it's the same thing with Golovkin or

9:30

even with Charlo, but here's what I am saying.

9:32

The one kind of common denominator with all of

9:34

them is not that Canelo

9:36

didn't show us that he was a

9:38

highly skilled and decorated opponent, but rather

9:40

there just wasn't much trauma

9:43

in the sense of I

9:45

never really ever feel Canelo is challenged

9:47

and you would say, as a natural

9:49

response, right, because Canelo is better than

9:51

these guys. True. But

9:54

then we get back to this conversation about David

9:56

Morrell Jr. and then we get back to this

9:58

conversation about David Benavidez. And I, at

10:01

the end of this fight, I'm like, how many

10:03

times am I gonna have to watch Canelo at

10:05

this stage of his career take

10:07

on an opponent that if you look at the odds

10:09

and every other expert, he's overmatched

10:11

against and then he does

10:14

well on route to a

10:16

decision when we know he has,

10:18

in this case, mandatory opponents, but

10:20

put that aside certainly options that

10:22

are significantly more intriguing, both as

10:25

fights and also the kind of

10:27

thing that makes you wonder what

10:29

is possible after round 6,

10:31

I was like, right, it's the exact

10:33

same thing over and over and over and over

10:35

again there was

10:37

no drama, there was no mystery tell

10:39

me you thought there was mystery after

10:41

round 7 in this fight I didn't

10:43

expect you to take a heel turn

10:45

at heel Canelo here with this necessarily

10:47

I'm not saying Canelo performed poorly against

10:49

an easy challenge, I'm saying he is,

10:51

he is, it can't be

10:54

both you can't elect to take

10:56

challenges that are much more manageable and then

10:58

ask us to react like the amazing was

11:00

accomplished Well, I did see an amazing performance,

11:02

I think the fact that Mungia did not

11:04

have success in the second half of the

11:06

fight except for in the championship rounds, I

11:09

liked his attempt at flirting, I thought he

11:11

never went away like

11:13

I thought Mungia's stock rises a lot with

11:15

this performance the 12-run stamina, the first time

11:17

he's shown legit patience and game planning in

11:19

a lot of ways Wasn't

11:22

able to counter Canelo's adjustment in the

11:24

mid-fight point ultimately and who can against

11:26

somebody with that experience but I saw

11:28

a guy who was hungry, constantly pushing

11:31

was it predictable in the second half of

11:33

the fight? Sure, but it was physically taxing

11:35

Canelo operated directly in front of Mungia and

11:37

I think really gave as strong of a

11:39

potential statement as he could make again, the

11:41

same weekend that in Iowa in a waste

11:43

fighting, Terrence Crawford still coming off of that

11:45

You think that was a pound-for-pound best performance?

11:47

I think for this version of Canelo at

11:49

33 coming in in that shape, dealing with

11:52

the early fire that Mungia legitimately gave him

11:54

in round 3, in the beginning of round

11:56

4 First 3.5 rounds, he was

11:58

taking it to him Absolutely I

12:00

wasn't bored in the second half to become

12:02

predictable to some degree. Yes. Also understand. Look,

12:04

this was a Mexican Fiesta

12:06

like I almost haven't experienced I've

12:09

heard louder arenas but what I haven't

12:11

heard before is that the crowd essentially

12:13

latched on to both Canelo and Mungiya and

12:15

just alternated chance for either one based upon

12:17

who was Surging at the moment and having

12:20

success the same fans that are cheering Conello

12:22

or cheering for a monkey It was that

12:24

type of party and I felt like that

12:26

raised the bar of the entertainment and the

12:28

sort of the intensity of what happened Ultimately,

12:30

Canelo got the job done but it but

12:32

are you saying more of? Hey,

12:35

man good event. We said it was an acceptable

12:37

fight if we can't get Benavidez But

12:40

you're just too good. Can I'll tell you

12:42

the old boy thing your old basically like

12:44

sorry Floyd. You're just too good No, I

12:46

would say I would say he's too good

12:48

if he was taking on the

12:50

toughest available challenges Don't you think 43 and oh Mungiya

12:53

just had arguably one of the better performances of his

12:55

career? Yeah, I thought again. I want to say it

12:57

again moon Gia's defensive responsibility in this one again He

12:59

obviously got hit with the uppercut. He's fighting Canelo. He's

13:01

gonna get a chin in a half This

13:04

is a great chin. He showed good resiliency. He showed

13:06

much better much more. I would agree with you them

13:08

again Dude, I'm not telling you the fight was bad.

13:10

I'm not telling you. It's all smoke

13:12

and mirrors It's really not what I'm saying. What I

13:14

am saying is don't you feel like at least a

13:16

little? Canelo has kind of

13:19

set into a managed decline groove

13:22

Where he's had four that wasn't four

13:24

even five decisions in a row now where he's better

13:26

than that guy He uses skillful

13:28

boxing to kind of put a lead

13:30

on them and then just maintain that lead And I don't

13:32

really mind that if this was just the best

13:34

that the division had to offer But if

13:36

you're omitting the best the decision has to offer and

13:39

these are the challenges you're taking while

13:41

respectable and frankly very commendable

13:44

Performances it's leaving me a little

13:46

bit Okay, I think that

13:48

the fact that you were not fully entertained Doesn't equal

13:50

up because Canelo did hear the rumblings about hey you

13:52

haven't knocked anybody out in a while And he said

13:55

look I trained for this you saw the shape he

13:57

came in he trained to get a knockout against

14:00

Charlo. This was no better than that. It was better

14:02

than that, but if you could argue that he didn't

14:04

go for the finish as aggressively after hurting him early,

14:06

he said afterwards, Hold on,

14:08

let me finish. He says, I take my time

14:10

in executing the finish. We just commended Mongea for

14:13

having a chin and a half. Mongea overperformed from

14:15

that regard. Just because it

14:17

went the distance, I'm not going to lump him

14:19

in later career GSP and be like, you're fighting to

14:21

say if you're taking two safe chances. The other argument,

14:23

of course, is fight Benavita's next and in shit or

14:26

get off the pot with your four titles. That's a

14:28

separate argument. From what we saw on Saturday, it

14:30

was a very acceptable opponent who put forth a

14:32

great career. I thought Canelo was pound for pound

14:34

worthy in his execution of quieting the thing. Just

14:37

because it went the distance doesn't mean Canelo wasn't

14:39

right in front of Mongea within punching range, basically

14:41

trying to lure the offense out of him and

14:43

just beautifully painting a masterpiece the rest of the

14:46

way. Give the guy his flowers. Who are you

14:48

taking? What am I? What am I? What am

14:50

I denying him? Because you haven't made that clear.

14:52

You were not as effusive with praise. You claim

14:55

I'm denying him something. Because you weren't entertained on

14:57

the level you accept. It's not my argument. What

14:59

am I denying him? What is he owed that

15:01

I am denying him? You're almost denying Mongea more.

15:04

You're basically saying that this was a little bit

15:06

of a waste of time. No, I agree that

15:08

Mongea, was he better than the

15:10

last two times we saw him against Darien Cenk

15:12

on Ryder? Yes. Yes, he was. And what

15:14

is he, 27 years old? Is he at

15:17

44 fights now? 43 in one? He?

15:21

I'm curious to see what he does next.

15:23

Would that performance have beaten, I don't want

15:25

to say every other super middleweight because

15:27

Morell and Benavides just doesn't beat Morell

15:29

or David Benavides at all.

15:31

He is in the fight against those two. Fuck

15:33

no. Really? Fuck no. You're saying Mongea is not

15:36

in the fight. Maybe against Benavides early. He is

15:38

not in that fight against David Morell Jr. No,

15:40

absolutely not. And this is what I'm talking about.

15:42

I didn't expect you to turn like this. I'm

15:44

not mad at Canelo, but I don't understand why

15:47

we're supposed to just heap the same, like near

15:49

the same kind of praise that we're supposed to

15:51

give Noia in a way for radically

15:53

different performances, radically, not radically,

15:55

but very different challenges. And

15:58

I Think everything does. There's

16:00

place in it's up, others is

16:02

the everything Deserves praise in it's

16:04

proper place. Dude was Camillo impressive

16:07

on Saturday night. Absolutely. But

16:09

I kind of feel like we're setting

16:11

into this a groove. Where. It's

16:13

like okay, do we know ahead of time

16:15

he was better than media? Yes. Did we

16:17

know ahead of time? He probably had the

16:19

defense to kind of work around and shut

16:21

him down over the course of the distance.

16:23

Yes. And you got exactly that I'm asking

16:25

you. Whereas. The intrigue. Whereas

16:27

the mystery. Where is the mystery about

16:30

Oh my God? I actually don't know.

16:32

What? Could happen here in the

16:34

and what happened was exactly. What?

16:37

You thought was going to happen and it opens a

16:39

writer what happened in that one and it was a

16:41

mandatory exactly what you thought of what we want to

16:43

what was the before the sarlo will join have. would

16:45

I want the boring similar to what the Georgia was

16:47

we want to but which are the what happened is

16:49

that one did you know when we were so we

16:51

thought. Of that that's not all

16:53

of you know for because Rollo Rehab

16:55

Underground. They're not here I'm saying, are

16:58

you. Are. You really getting anything

17:00

where there is genuine cliff hanger? I don't

17:02

know what's going to happen here. Action: Part

17:04

of that is because Camilla was so goods

17:07

or t shirts these guys down and than

17:09

just dissolve and then the will of the

17:11

tech support the bomb. Fair enough to that's

17:13

not one of the other. Part.

17:15

Of it is Camillo is that good. But.

17:18

The other part of it is like dude, If

17:20

we're gonna go into a fight and say. We.

17:22

Know what the stakes are here and then

17:24

it plays out exactly that way. I

17:27

don't know that the and we're supposed to be

17:29

like whoa That was just an exemplary performance of

17:31

the highest order. It is praiseworthy. He is legit.

17:34

He is the face of boxing. I give them

17:36

all of that. But. These

17:38

fights like this. is no

17:40

genuine mystery up to run our was home right but

17:42

there was a mystery of how he was gonna deal

17:44

with the waves between rounds one in four and five

17:47

and it was interesting to see him he got backed

17:49

up by monkey around three to dot a little bit

17:51

of damage obviously it's is just miss her so much

17:53

better the hand speed was the determined a little mystery

17:55

early i'll give you that only went road was able

17:57

to start timing him with connor such yes it will

18:00

about can Mungia come back instead

18:02

about can Mungia hang on and ultimately he showed

18:04

because I think he showed the chin that's why

18:06

he hung on. Let me ask you seriously we

18:09

don't know because obviously Canelo could beat both those guys

18:11

he could knock out both Benavidez and Morel I'm not

18:14

saying he actually couldn't but what I'm saying

18:16

is do you really believe in your heart of

18:18

hearts that David Morel Jr. is

18:20

gonna turn in the kind of performance where by the

18:22

time the 11th or 12th rounds are going on Canelo's

18:25

just settled into a groove and you can't

18:27

figure him out. Maybe it would be tougher

18:29

challenges than Mungia is on paper or in

18:31

real life which is the perfect segue by

18:33

the way into topic number two which is

18:35

about where do we go next with Canelo

18:38

and what do we do with that elephant

18:40

in the room who was ringside and

18:42

Jim Grey asked Canelo about afterwards and

18:45

that's David Benavidez so Luke I'm definitely gonna tee

18:47

you up in a second on

18:49

how much this performance if any changes

18:51

your belief in how Canelo would

18:53

do against Benavidez or Morel but first Jim

18:56

Grey in the post fight interview who was

18:58

added to the Amazon Prime team their Prime

19:00

video paper view asked and he asked the

19:02

right question he said okay everybody

19:04

wants you to fight David Benavidez David Benavidez

19:06

said you know let's

19:09

do it now because Benavidez is moving up to 175 on June

19:11

15th and he has already said

19:13

this week like if Canelo can't fight me in

19:15

this window this is the last chance I can make 168 or

19:17

I'm willing to and Canelo

19:19

did not feel that in a

19:21

correct way in my opinion he said well I gotta

19:23

you know take some rest and go you know

19:26

talk to my family blah blah blah and I love

19:28

love love that the

19:30

crowd lustfully booed him

19:32

in that moment he had just beaten Mongea and

19:34

he got all the flowers from the pro-mexican crowd

19:37

and then instantly they're like wait and I know

19:39

that this is Canelo's argument that like when is

19:41

it gonna be good enough for these people but

19:43

we have to continue to counter with Canelo you're

19:45

the you're the king and when you're the king

19:47

with all those belts the rules are you must

19:49

defend them against who's next in line and

19:52

David Benavidez is next in line so Canelo

19:54

did get them dismissive and defensive and say

19:56

well look if

19:58

the price is right if you essentially saying Look, if

20:00

you pay me the money I demand for this

20:02

challenge to take on this risk, then I'll do

20:04

it. Luke, do I love that after the press

20:06

conference when he's doing media with, like, the Ellie

20:08

Seckback guys on the way out that he's kind

20:10

of going, it would need to be $200 million.

20:12

No, I don't love that. But

20:15

Canelo's basically telling you, I don't

20:17

want this fight, but I understand the

20:19

demand is there so someone pay

20:22

me that money. You know what I mean? Pay me the money.

20:24

Show me the money. Pay that man his money. There's

20:27

a lot to break down here in terms of from Canelo's

20:29

intentions to what he's going to look like against these guys.

20:32

But I feel like you're trying to say that

20:34

this performance against Munguia because it became predictable and

20:37

didn't necessarily force any of those questions beyond round

20:39

four to need to be answered in terms of,

20:41

like, what am I going to gain from this?

20:44

I feel like he looks pound for pound again. I

20:46

feel like he looks incredible again. No, I feel like

20:49

I would now upgrade. No,

20:51

is Munguia the same fighter as Benavita's? No, but

20:53

I would upgrade the chances I'm giving Canelo in

20:55

a potential David Benavita's fight from this performance. I

20:57

don't know how you could say either way. I

21:00

don't know how you could say against that is what I'm trying to

21:02

say. I don't know how you could act like he didn't show

21:05

you at 33 that he still got it. He showed me he is still a

21:07

force to be reckoned with, if that's what you mean. Yeah,

21:09

dude, I'm not going to sit here and say

21:11

Canelo is some fraud or some scrub or bad,

21:13

or he didn't perform well. He did perform well.

21:15

He is pound for pound good. He is, again,

21:17

if he retired today, Hall of Fame, like, no

21:19

question about it on the Mount Rushmore, probably, of

21:22

all-time Mexican fighters. I'm not denying any of this.

21:24

He might be number one. But what I am

21:26

saying to everyone out here is – and let

21:29

me just put my cards on the table. I would

21:31

– and I've been wrong in this

21:33

studio many times already. I

21:36

would love to be wrong again. I mean that so

21:39

sincerely I would love to be wrong. I

21:41

don't know exactly who he's going to fight next, but

21:43

I don't think it's going to be David Benavita's. It

21:45

is almost – Let's put our cards on the table.

21:47

If he fights David – or, I'm sorry, Edgar Berlanga

21:49

next, who is there? Who the fuck? Who the –

21:51

It has been named the mandatory by the WBC, even

21:53

though Morrell and Benavita have been sitting around – Morrell,

21:56

the WBA, have been sitting around being like, I'm

21:58

your secondary. champion I'm the number one contender I'm

22:00

the interim champion what else do we have to

22:02

do if Canelo doesn't go

22:05

at Benavita's next we have to

22:07

bring out the torches we have to say that at this point

22:09

in your career not after looking that great against Munguia

22:11

and he did that's why I want to give him

22:13

the full credit he looked puffer pong

22:15

great dude he looked great against a

22:17

hand-picked opponent monkey and gradually picked dude

22:20

oh come on he is

22:22

monkey ever just put the best version

22:24

of himself ever in that fight and went

22:26

the distance because of that beard and the

22:28

pride he had how could you actually got

22:30

mandatory if he didn't take for this one

22:33

and if this one provided extraordinary action if

22:35

he'd really blown him out I'd be like

22:37

okay that was that I

22:39

was not necessarily I was kind of expecting more or

22:41

less what we got which was a competent it was

22:43

fun it was fun for

22:45

a while but then when you realize Munguia

22:48

can't unlock the door anymore it was

22:51

no longer fun for me why do you unless

22:53

you're coming at unless your whole stance right now

22:55

is if this was a tournament and this was

22:58

just where these ended up he turned us in

23:00

that'd be one thing but this was a picked

23:02

opponent canelo you can't beat BC BC you

23:04

cannot on the one hand tell me he's

23:06

the face of boxing he's got

23:09

mandatory he's not taking and then tell

23:11

me Munguia wasn't hand-picked yes the fuck

23:13

he was canelo is out of chances

23:15

excuses or moves in the court of

23:18

public opinion to to either fight

23:20

Benavita's next or you will never fight him and

23:22

we have to I guess determine how much this

23:24

will be a stain or an asterisk on his

23:27

incredible all-time great resume and career up

23:29

to this point as we closing in

23:31

on 20 years as a professional I

23:34

fully agree with that but

23:36

if he does fight him next we all

23:38

said if if you're not gonna fight Crawford

23:41

or Benavita's the only fight we'd really accept was Munguia

23:43

yes well look it was a big event it was

23:45

exciting I know maybe more for me in the arena

23:47

than you at home you're juggling UFC

23:50

coverage at the same time that's true but

23:52

I didn't rewatch it but yes if canelo

23:54

doesn't go the direction of Ben Avia's for

23:56

any other reason not gonna for any other

23:58

reason next then let's drop all the bricks on

24:00

him let's back up the truck of you already said he

24:02

was done he said he is yes

24:04

but I just don't like this tone where you're

24:06

like nothing to gain from this man Gia fight

24:08

waste I didn't say nothing to gain what I

24:10

am trying to point out to you is like

24:12

dude how many times it's a question

24:14

for you yeah because I've reached my limit how

24:18

many times do you want to see

24:20

Canelo clearly not take

24:23

not just one never do of the toughest challenges

24:25

in this division and then beat

24:27

a talented hard-working

24:30

spirited performance from a challenger but one who's ultimately

24:32

overmatched and that Canelo just kind of I won't

24:35

say cruises but settles into a groove where he

24:37

keeps the lead on them for the whole time

24:40

how many times do you want to see that I'm okay because what

24:42

I'm saying is this

24:46

was the last one for me this was the

24:48

last straw I can't I can't do this anymore

24:50

and if he picks I love

24:53

dude Canelo literally we

24:55

united over Canelo we found each

24:57

other over Canelo I love your

24:59

mother yeah dude I'm curious I

25:01

love Canelo I love his style

25:03

he has provided us so many

25:06

memorable nights I don't really

25:08

mind that night Saturday night but I

25:10

guess what I am saying is probably this is the best

25:12

way to put it BC I've had my limit with this

25:14

okay I've had my limit I'm done with it or get

25:16

off the pot yes there is a stain there is a

25:19

there is a price you have to pay if you're not

25:21

gonna fight especially when the guys have been next in line

25:23

for years so I want to ask this look

25:25

I Benavide is I believe is doing the right thing by

25:27

moving up to 175 he's gonna co-headline them

25:29

was there in attendance Saturday he was there

25:32

in attendance what also could hurt Canelo moving

25:34

forward because outside of like burlanga he's really

25:36

running out of opponents really he really is

25:38

morale moved up could

25:40

Benavide is be also effing Canelo by doing

25:42

this because think about it Archer

25:45

better be just ruptured his meniscus in his knee

25:47

so he's out of the be evolved fight June

25:49

1st be balls gonna instead

25:51

defend the title against unbeaten opponent from Libya sort

25:53

of an unknown guy that they threw in

25:55

to just save the card but

25:57

that's probably the root Canelo would want to go if Still

26:00

desires any smoke At one seventy five you would

26:02

think okay with better be Wow Maybe try to

26:04

get a big money rematch of people benefit as

26:06

my ticket from his benefit as was in there

26:09

and wins this. Isn't a secondary

26:11

title by think it's an interim light heavyweight title

26:13

of his wedding vows to your guns Mazda. It's

26:15

like a semi real bell, but it will really

26:17

establish Human than a week wants. If he wins,

26:20

What's he? stops magic? What if he did that?

26:22

And. Then is like okay better beeps or will

26:24

be vol uncommon after you would do it would

26:26

do in Saudi. Let's do it for Saudi money

26:28

I think it would behoove can alone I think

26:31

is going to ultimately get to this point from

26:33

a businessman standpoint that if he goes the root

26:35

of Burlingame cash is it on that mandatory and

26:37

does Mexico vs. Porto Rico you can do it.

26:39

New York City's. People. Are just going

26:41

to look down on it and and call him

26:44

out for docking benefit as Meanwhile. Benefit as

26:46

Michael. From winning this title the potentially lot

26:48

of himself up with against be vault with

26:50

Saudi money behind it he did it behooves

26:52

canal. Oh now in my opinion, to go

26:54

in the direction of bird feeders aggressive least

26:56

when it also boobs and to beat benefit

26:58

us to the punch. From the standpoint of

27:00

getting the finances he's looking to get to

27:02

make this might happen or into can alone

27:04

is thirty five million guarantees. Not gonna work

27:06

for this one. Duluth. I know we think

27:08

two hundred million but that's ridiculous. Do you

27:10

think Saudi could step in and be the

27:12

final middleman? Remember when Les Moonves and a

27:14

waiter in L A somehow made. Me with

27:16

a backyard and back at Twenty Fifteen and

27:19

the circumstances of events. Does. It

27:21

is going to take target l a chic for canal at

27:23

a fight been viewed as in September is the best shot.

27:25

It's the best shot sort of that. I don't think

27:27

anything else does. I don't think there's.

27:30

presently. As we're talking today.

27:33

I. Do not think there is a significant amount

27:35

of evidence that indicates Camilla wants to fight been

27:37

if he does, Or. Morel. As

27:40

we all know, if that is the case, there's

27:42

probably some reason we understand that. I.

27:45

Think that the Saudis. Could.

27:47

With an overwhelming amount of money.

27:50

But. i wonder if he is simply putting up

27:52

an overwhelming amount of money where you can just goal

27:54

posts are you to come up with two to fifty

27:57

i know what would you fifty three brief of the

27:59

them outrageous amount the point where they're like okay we're not

28:01

doing this like you don't you don't actually want it we

28:03

will have to see the BC I really really

28:05

really want to hear what you have to say if we

28:07

get to the point though again if he

28:09

takes on Benavidez or Morell next

28:12

yes I will shut my

28:14

stupid mouth and I will

28:16

honestly give him his flowers because I think

28:18

taking that fight now is tough

28:20

there is genuine mystery there is genuine intrigue

28:22

I do not know how that fight is

28:24

going to go he hasn't been an underdog

28:27

in the odds I looked this up today

28:29

since 2018 who was at

28:31

the first Golovkin or second second second Golovkin because

28:34

obviously the first one was highly controversial so

28:37

we would be putting himself this is what

28:39

I mean I mean risking it for the

28:41

biscuit hell yeah but if he doesn't and

28:44

if he takes the burlonga fight next wouldn't belong

28:46

oh by the way was also there I want

28:48

to say this shouts to

28:51

Caleb plant we'll see that and have

28:53

you seen okay but Wow it's my

28:55

little play asked for Taylor Taylor plant versus Edgar

28:57

Belonga I'd be a little more interested in I

28:59

still think Kayla plant smokes him but

29:02

you know canella is just a different level than that all together

29:04

if he takes the burlonga fight I really

29:06

want to hear what you have to say now I mean

29:08

look I already

29:10

said on this show and I tried to tee it

29:12

up to canella even the best I could without outright

29:14

saying it you're ducking Benavidez and I'm saying

29:17

it and a lot of us are saying it so

29:19

Luke I'm gonna go scorched earth I'm gonna bring

29:21

up how it's gonna be that stain that you

29:23

can never fully wash off the same I'm gonna

29:25

have to come with the same energy that we

29:28

came at Floyd Mayweather with between the years of

29:30

like you know 2011 and 2015 you have to

29:32

come with that same

29:34

energy even though it wasn't fully Floyd's fall and

29:36

Manny didn't want a drug test and Aram wasn't

29:38

helping and Heyman on the other side people blame

29:41

Floyd for a lot of that yes not all

29:43

it's not all of that but he does did

29:45

he deserve that yes because Floyd in my opinion

29:47

was operating in the rare

29:50

air where canello is anytime you can be

29:52

the pound-for-pound number one in the game where

29:54

canella was just two years ago and is still

29:56

in that discussion today and the biggest

29:58

pay-per-view star the biggest face of the the sport and you

30:00

combine that, membership certainly has its

30:02

privileges from a leverage standpoint and matchmaking standpoint.

30:04

But in my opinion, you've got to serve

30:06

all when you're, when you are in that

30:09

role. There is a responsibility of giving back

30:11

to the sport. Eventually Floyd did that. He

30:13

ended up fighting everybody. Canelo for the, for

30:15

the most part has fought everybody. You make

30:17

a love can wait two years and get

30:19

older strategically. Yes. But Luke, what

30:21

would be the justification for Canelo or his fans?

30:23

Cause I've been seeing on our Instagram when Canelo

30:25

fans jump in our posts and get on us

30:27

and be like, man, you guys have no respect.

30:29

You don't know anything about boxing. You don't know

30:31

what Canelo has accomplished in his career. Luke, is there

30:33

any chance cause you already know my answer of what

30:35

I'll do. If he fights Berlenga, I'll go scorched earth

30:38

on here and I hope you join me and I

30:40

hope we dance around and make it rain. Luke. Okay.

30:42

Because he'll deserve that. But is

30:44

there a defense at all? If you're Canelo team,

30:46

Canelo, a fan of his that

30:48

is there, do you get to draw a line

30:50

of what you accomplished up to a certain point

30:52

and say, I'm done. I'm done giving you exactly

30:54

what you want. Can it be about me now?

30:56

Well, it can't be when you're 33 on top

30:58

of the pound for pound and you have all

31:01

four titles in that division. It can't be right.

31:03

But what is there any justification here? For taking

31:05

the Berlenga fight. Or Canelo to just be like,

31:07

I don't need Benavidez guys and I don't want

31:09

him. Is there any way that he gets unscathed

31:11

historically from that? Uh, dropping

31:13

the titles. I don't think it would be nearly as bad.

31:16

If he vacated and just said, I just don't want, I'm

31:18

not, these are for people who want to pursue this track.

31:20

I'm on a different track now. Um,

31:22

cause it'll be 34 in July. Then

31:25

I think there would still be some stain with that.

31:27

We should be clear because you would be saying clearly,

31:29

I don't want tough fights, but you

31:31

wouldn't be mucking up the system. You wouldn't be

31:33

causing some of the creative, I should say some

31:35

of the infrastructure problems, the

31:37

architecture, I should say the architecture problems

31:39

of, of the belt system. It wouldn't

31:42

be as bad, I think, but, um,

31:45

he's going to have to make a declaration one way or

31:47

the other. He is going to have to put his cards

31:50

on the table one way

31:52

or the other. There can

31:54

simply be no acceptable choice

31:56

other than Benavidez or

31:58

Morel. Dude, I have no interest. and

32:00

seeing him fight Jamal Charlo. I have

32:02

no interest. I mean, Charlo, I would

32:04

like, you know, I'd catch the highlights.

32:06

Dude, the Burlanga fight. I

32:09

mean, I have negative energy. No, he

32:11

hasn't. He hasn't. No interest in the Burlanga fight.

32:13

At least Munguia earned this fight. Yes,

32:15

he earned it. When they knocked out John Ryder.

32:17

Yes, Munguia, again, I give him a lot of

32:19

credit. I thought he took it to Canelo the

32:21

best he could. Did he do

32:23

the best that he could? Yes, he did.

32:26

And to an extent, overperformed defensively. But

32:30

the grace period is over. Rent is

32:32

due. It's the fifth of the month. We're

32:35

going to transition to UFC 301 in one

32:37

second. But final question, you mentioned going all

32:39

in, putting your chips in front of you,

32:41

Luke, okay? All night long, check, check, check.

32:43

Pay that man his money. Like, alligator blood.

32:45

I want you to do the same thing right now. Let's

32:48

do it under the guise of odds. What

32:50

should be, in your opinion, the betting odds

32:53

if Canelo and Benavidez were fighting this September,

32:55

you don't even need a sphere. Put it

32:57

anywhere in law. Actually, you know what? Put

32:59

it in a Legion Stadium in Las Vegas.

33:01

You could do it. You could do it.

33:04

You can do it. Combat sports event.

33:07

I mean, it'll be a thing, dude. If Munguia

33:09

versus Canelo was a frickin' thing in Vegas this

33:11

weekend, and it was, this will be, this is

33:13

bigger than Fury Ucek. It's not historically big,

33:15

but certainly from fan interests and all that.

33:17

Propping circumstance, yes. What should be the

33:20

betting odds based on the performance Saturday night? With Morel, I'm

33:22

not too sure I'd have to think about it a little

33:24

bit more. But if it was David Benavidez,

33:26

it would be 1 minus 250 Canelo plus 200. Whoa!

33:29

So you are still firmly in the, there's

33:32

smoke in the championship rounds in that fight that Canelo

33:34

may not want. Dude, the only- But you also think

33:36

he can't swim in there. You also think he can

33:38

get through that smoke. I'm saying

33:41

he would have to climb a hill. The

33:43

reality is, going

33:46

into the Munguia fight, I only

33:48

believed Munguia could win if

33:50

I thought Canelo, or if Canelo proved to be

33:52

washed. He is not washed. He may

33:55

be on the back half of the mountain, so to speak.

33:57

He's not washed. I think that's the thing we got from

33:59

Saturday. Is this guy washed? No, no,

34:01

no, no, no, no, no, no, not washed.

34:03

Absolutely, and I do think he can beat

34:05

David Benavidez. I wanna be clear about that.

34:07

I might favor Benavidez to win, but

34:10

like, heart to hearts, do I absolutely think Canelo

34:12

can win? Much more so than I

34:14

ever thought Munguia could beat Canelo. But this

34:16

is what I'm talking about. This is what

34:18

is missing right now, and that would be acceptable

34:20

if like, Canelo was taking on the very best

34:22

guys and making them look like Munguia, but

34:25

when you're omitting the two best ones, it's

34:27

like, guys, I've had enough of

34:29

this. I've had enough of this experience. Forget the 200 million.

34:32

If they can get the guarantee, whether it's

34:34

Turkey El-Ashik or Al Haman or whoever, they

34:36

can get it to 75 million. Is that

34:39

acceptable? And should that be enough for Canelo to

34:41

say yes? It should be more than acceptable for Canelo to say

34:43

yes. I honestly, and I wanna be fair to him. That's

34:45

a lot of for Canelo to do. I got a shit ton

34:47

of money. I wanna be as fair to him as I possibly

34:49

can. I don't know what Canelo's gonna do. My hunch is that

34:51

he's gonna fight Berlonga, but

34:54

I hope to be wrong. I really,

34:56

dude, I would, dude, if they announced

34:58

motherfucking Canelo versus David

35:00

Benavidez for September, Allegiant

35:02

Stadium or any other place, I

35:05

would dance the jig. I would

35:07

be so thrilled. I

35:11

mean, we got limits on this, but point being

35:13

is, BC, would you not, seriously, if

35:15

you got a press release, Canelo to

35:17

fight David Benavidez, September, whatever it is,

35:20

15th, whatever the Saturday it falls on,

35:23

this would be huge news. I

35:25

would drive home these walls in here. There's no

35:27

question. You'll do that anyway. Here's my biggest fear,

35:29

and this is really our final point. Canelo

35:32

made triple G weight almost two full years and

35:34

not got him older. We've argued that making Benavidez

35:36

weight is not a good idea because Canelo's getting

35:38

older and Benavidez is just getting better, but-

35:41

He's getting bigger. What I don't want is

35:43

that Canelo knows he's getting bigger and

35:45

Canelo knows he's moving up to 175. So

35:47

in Canelo's mind, is it fight Berlonga

35:49

to close the year, get everybody angry,

35:52

but then I plan on fighting him

35:54

in the spring, and he's hoping that by

35:56

allowing Benavidez this time to get acclimated to

35:58

175. That when they

36:01

do fight at 168 for all the millions

36:03

that Benavir's won't be able to turn down

36:05

Luke because it's generational Life-changing money, you know

36:07

the defining fight of his career That

36:10

maybe he depletes himself to cut down to make that 68

36:12

one more time and then we get a compromised version I

36:15

don't want can a little play leverage game to eventually give

36:17

us what we want Hey, we still got me with a

36:19

regret or me with a Pacquiao, but they were 38 and

36:21

36 when we got it That's

36:23

the truth. It was truth. Okay. I hope that that's not

36:25

the truth in this case. I hope it's not There'll

36:28

be 34 in July clock is ticking. He better do it

36:30

soon There it is on the

36:32

boxing front from the weekend topic number three though

36:34

We transition to mix martial arts you supposed to

36:37

bounce these but I'll let it slide today. Yeah,

36:39

look I'm I'm not even in the right headspace

36:41

or word or acid. Did you comb your hair

36:43

this morning? I didn't really do much with the

36:45

hair. I did again. I'm well showered the clothes

36:47

not so much You know, I'm trying to become

36:49

a minimalist packer But the problem is when you

36:51

have a millenist packer a millenist packer, but you're

36:53

trying to become a millenist Curtis

36:56

millender the problem is, you know when you have

36:58

to stay another night you run out of clean

37:00

shit back to the Put the camera on me.

37:02

Here we go. UFC 301 pay-per-view was Saturday from

37:04

Kio Dejan arrow Brazil

37:06

and what we saw in the main and co-main Was

37:10

really a triumphant night for the warrior spirit

37:12

of what makes Brazilian fighters. So great Let's

37:14

start in that main event Which turned out

37:16

to be a close one here as alles

37:19

andre pantoja made the second defense of his

37:21

flyweight championship going to five round Distance with

37:23

upstart Steve erseg who was making just his

37:25

fourth appearance and 11 months since debuting in

37:27

the UFC Luke they would

37:30

go five rounds a unanimous decision

37:32

in the favor of Pantoja Some

37:36

say there's a little bit of a scoring snafu or

37:38

at least a disputed outcome that it could have gone either

37:40

way But I think the universal

37:42

thing here is that Steve erseg may have dropped

37:44

the ball in round five and you saw him

37:46

himself Dejected during the

37:49

score reading after the fight admitting in

37:51

the interview that he blew it Luke

37:53

Thomas Did Steve erseg blow it

37:55

late in round five with the 125 pound

37:58

championship at stake the pains me to say this.

38:01

It pains me to say this. This one it really

38:03

does pain me to say he

38:05

did. He blew it. He absolutely made a

38:07

critical error in judgment.

38:10

Like Gastelen

38:12

going for the takedown against Adesanya late in round

38:15

four when having him hurt at two thirty six.

38:17

That's a different kind of bad decision but also

38:19

a bad decision. I mean because there you're like

38:21

well Izzy was hurt and he's also not a

38:23

grappler. I can sort of see

38:25

why you would go for a takedown but again it

38:27

wasn't the right call and it blew up in his

38:29

face to a degree. This one it's

38:32

like I understand what Ursig was trying to do

38:34

right. So you might be

38:36

up in the fifth. It's kind of going your

38:38

way. Maybe it's 50-50 but no. No he was

38:40

not fighting out of a deficit in

38:42

the fifth round. You have about two

38:44

minutes to 90 seconds left. Hey if you can

38:46

get a takedown, a little bit of ground and

38:48

pound and enough control time you

38:50

can win this one. You can ride this

38:52

one out to the end and you can

38:55

get the decision. I understand the logic but

38:57

the same time he had gone for a takedown either earlier in

38:59

that round or round four and that also

39:01

blew up in a space where he got reversed. That

39:04

was the lesson to take. Not

39:06

to do it again and he did it

39:09

again and he got immediately

39:11

reversed. He got thrown to his hands when when

39:13

a guy who is a much better scrambler and

39:15

a much quicker guy I think generally a pinto

39:17

just a little bit quicker. He certainly fights with

39:19

a lot of like intense quick purpose. Throws

39:22

him by, forces him to his hands and then ultimately

39:24

is able to get him to the ground and then

39:26

ultimately control him for either the rest

39:29

of that round or the good chunk of

39:31

it and gave the other guy

39:34

the fight. I understand the point of I wanted

39:36

to fight on my terms but you have to

39:38

understand what my terms mean. To

39:41

me watching this fight and I don't know how

39:43

his coaches feel, I don't know how you feel, I'd love to get

39:45

your perspective in just a second. To me you

39:48

can actually go back and I was watching it on a

39:50

stream. You could see me say it. I'm

39:52

yelling at the screen pump your

39:54

jab. Pump the fucking jab

39:57

because the jab was not perfect

39:59

but working. working. It

40:01

was working. Put something behind that. Maintain distance.

40:03

That kind of a thing. And

40:05

instead he closes it, goes with the

40:07

takedown, gets almost immediately reversed and

40:10

everything goes the other way. This is what I

40:12

don't actually think BC. Here's what I'm going to

40:14

say. I don't think it all. Steve

40:18

Ursig is way too good and

40:20

way too talented to say he

40:22

has poor fight IQ. This was an

40:25

example of bad judgment in that moment. But

40:27

the difference to me BC, this

40:30

was a guy who showed his octagon

40:32

inexperience. This was a guy, remember, he'd

40:34

been in three UFC fights before this.

40:36

Two unnumbered events, prelims, early prelims,

40:39

one main card fight prior to this at

40:41

the apex. This guy flew from Australia to

40:43

the other side of the world, took on

40:45

a hostile crowd and a very tough opponent.

40:47

And was cerebral, was poised for a fair.

40:49

And for 23 minutes fought his, the whole

40:51

time he fought his ass off but made

40:53

for the most part pretty good decisions

40:56

and then fucked it all up at the end. I

40:58

think he didn't know how to win a five

41:01

round fight in this way but God bless him,

41:03

he tried. There's always going to be. I said

41:05

something similar to this after Devin Haney lost the

41:08

Ryan Garcia fight. Yeah, it was a monster upset.

41:10

I don't think it would happen again but I

41:12

think there's certain lessons that can only be learned

41:14

inside the ring or the cage. Stipe Miocic in

41:16

the first fight against JDS, right? He learned he

41:19

needed to up his cardio but we learned in

41:21

that fight, which I think we kind of learned

41:23

in this one, that he's coming and

41:25

JDS was able to just kind of guard the

41:27

barrier enough to get the victory. I think in

41:29

some ways Pantoja guarded the barrier enough to get

41:31

a victory even though Ersteg looked

41:33

like he had the path to victory and overall

41:36

looked to be the better performance. But did this

41:38

absolutely affect the scoreboards, scorecards it did, right? He

41:40

wins, Pantoja wins three to two on two of

41:42

the scorecards, four to one on the other. If

41:44

you switch that fifth round based on that. He

41:46

wins. It could be a split decision or a

41:49

majority decision. He was in a majority decision, yeah.

41:51

For is it split or majority? It'd be majority

41:53

because one still, one would have had it three

41:55

to two for Pantoja and so it

41:57

would have been three to Ersteg, three to Ersteg. Oh no,

41:59

so it would have been split. It would have been split.

42:02

Excuse me. Yes. One mistake.

42:04

I mean, you know, different than Valentina, spinny

42:06

shit causing grasses go to get the submission

42:08

and you're like, wow, one mistake. We've seen

42:10

one mistake there, but the timing of the

42:12

mistake was bad. But you got

42:14

to learn those lessons the hard way, no matter how

42:16

good you are, no matter how experienced you appear to

42:19

be for a young age. And this was our seg

42:21

young in the standpoint of only a fourth UFC fight,

42:23

less than a year in the company. Sometimes

42:25

you got to fumble it on the biggest stage and

42:27

it's, you know, it's the old NBA playoff adage. You

42:30

got to learn how to lose before you can win.

42:32

That's true. And that's the problem is like, dude, just

42:34

think about it. How many UFC fighters statistically ever

42:36

compete for a title? Not many, like, you know, whatever

42:38

it is, 1% probably or less. Now

42:41

add in how many ever compete for a

42:44

title after losing a title fight in their

42:46

first opportunity. That number plummets

42:48

again. It is so low. It

42:50

is this, this is, I'm not saying it's the only chance.

42:52

That's probably not true at 28 years old, but

42:54

this was a good chance and you just don't

42:57

know. I will say this though. I will say

42:59

this because I think you picked him and I

43:01

picked him to win on Friday show. He didn't

43:03

get it done. So in that sense, we were

43:05

wrong. What I will say is true. And

43:07

I think you'll agree with this. He

43:09

was very much a

43:12

worthy adversary. When we said he is going

43:14

to give Pantoja problems. Yes, he did. Oh,

43:16

yeah. No doubt about it. He is a

43:18

top class flyweight was this close to winning

43:20

the flyweight title. I am excited to see

43:22

what else he can do. I always watch

43:24

the way they lose how they respond. That's

43:26

why I always give Conor McGregor respect one

43:28

of the better losers in big moments. There's

43:30

no ways anymore make the adjustments. But like

43:32

remember after 196 when he got tapped out,

43:34

he was like calm in the post. Guys,

43:36

I got it. I figured it out. I

43:38

know what needs to be changed. Like that's

43:40

how that's 196. He

43:45

sorry, Long Island. Look 196 was Connor tapping

43:47

out to beat Aldo at 194. I

43:50

believe right. Okay. So

43:53

what I'm saying here, Luke,

43:55

is that Steve Verstegge showed

43:57

me how he lost because his responsibility –

44:00

was like the second score that was being I

44:22

think you could switch either one. I would have

44:24

to rewatch it again to see that's how I

44:26

that's how I scored it in real time. Definitely

44:28

round four for Ursig. Definitely round five for Pantosia.

44:30

Definitely round one for Pantosia. I don't even really

44:33

think there is an argument because I think

44:36

it would have to be a very generous argument. But even

44:38

though the 4-1 sounds extreme or I think Chelsanin on ESPN

44:40

had a 5-0 for Ursig? No

44:43

for Pantosia. I think the rounds are close enough for

44:45

the most part where you could... Dude Chels got some

44:47

wild ass picks. He does but I don't even think

44:49

4-1 would be illegal is what I'm saying. What I'm

44:52

saying is I had it 2-2 entering the fifth so

44:54

ultimately my scorecard to Ursig broke his own heart but

44:57

it was close. So there's a question

44:59

of lasting on this. The question is

45:01

and this is the age-old question we get to every single

45:03

time. What is

45:05

the value of grappling without

45:07

close submission attempts or a

45:10

ton of damage? Now there were rounds where he got the takedown

45:12

and was pounding on Ursig. I want to be clear about that.

45:14

It's not like all together. But as the fight

45:17

wore on a little bit there was less

45:19

and less ground and pound. And it was

45:21

just control. Ursig, predominantly control. And so there

45:23

is a question about how much that is valued but

45:25

I think I'm just going to say even with that

45:28

I still think Pantosia is the rightful winner. I

45:30

did see some people complaining about it though. All

45:32

right Pantosia at 34 now has two title defenses.

45:34

He's actually providing stability in a

45:36

division that saw Demetrius Johnson own it for

45:38

a decade. And we said, hoodle

45:40

keep it alive and then the hot potato and the four

45:43

great fights between Moreno and Figuero. Now

45:45

we've got a title ring. We've got a champion.

45:47

But look, did he win? Did he out fight

45:49

and out duel Ursig on Saturday? Or was he

45:51

just game-ier in key moments? I

45:54

mean fought like a veteran. The takedowns were key.

45:56

But to the debate you just had with yourself about

45:58

the – about how – effective is grappling when

46:00

you're not adding the ground and pound to it. I

46:03

still felt like this was an aging veteran

46:05

performance from, from, from Pantosia to know how to win

46:07

a close fight, to know exactly what to do in

46:09

those key moments, to edge it out. Do you think

46:12

that like he's peaking heading into the next title defense

46:14

or is it still a little bit shaky on top?

46:16

Like anyone can win this title at any point? I

46:19

still think anyone can win it. I mean,

46:22

again, he might've lost this one, but for

46:24

his opponents, inexperienced and

46:26

then poor decision-making at the crunched, a

46:28

crunch line at the finish line. Fairly.

46:31

So there's that, but I will say this in

46:33

defense of Pantosia. He's obviously a very skilled champion.

46:37

I can't think of many fighters in

46:39

any weight class. You could probably pick

46:41

a couple, maybe Marab or something like

46:44

that, but who fight

46:46

with such dedicated

46:48

intensity for position, dedicated

46:51

physicality. I'm going to make

46:53

this rough every single time

46:56

and then combines that with genuinely

46:58

good grappling skill. And by the

47:01

way, a decent chin as well. He takes big shots and

47:03

still kind of finds ways to hang on and bleeds

47:05

and doesn't lose composure. I was just thinking

47:08

about this, like whole fire and underhook and

47:10

get head inside position, and then

47:12

he's roughing people up. So now Ursaag is

47:14

having to fight that off before he can

47:16

get any offense going on the takedown. He's

47:18

immediately looking for passing. Like he just brings

47:20

a certain level of intensity where he

47:23

makes everybody for at least short

47:25

periods, but sometimes long periods, fight

47:28

on his terms. You're going to fight

47:30

out of the deficit that I put you in

47:32

and maybe a positional grappling battle, but I'm going

47:34

to wear your ass out doing it. He makes

47:36

good passion. He fights with almost a rabidness, you

47:38

know what I mean? A la vera fight thought

47:40

Poirier with that same sort of rabid energy of

47:42

like, I'm just going to scratch my way to

47:44

winning this fight. People talk about like fighting like

47:46

the rent is due. Do he fights like the

47:48

rent is due? But look at that's the similar

47:50

trait in all of our aging heroes that come

47:52

from Brazil, the RDA is right. Like guys like

47:54

that, it's just Gilbert Burns.

47:57

Guys like that are just like- I would say Pantoja

47:59

is a level above. Both of them in

48:01

terms of like it's great about that and we're

48:03

gonna transition this perfectly I'm talking about Josie Aldo

48:05

in the co-main event, but this is what is

48:07

so great about the history of Brazilian fighters Do

48:09

you have the superhero all-time greats like Anderson Silva

48:12

Josie Aldo? No, gara for sure But that even

48:14

that next level down of legends, you know killers

48:16

like like Bond or lay like you can go

48:18

across the board Dude, there's like they

48:21

not only are killers They not only are super

48:23

elite but the longevity and so many of these

48:25

guys careers is insane It is in show gun

48:28

hooah who just got announced into the Hall of

48:30

Fame the ability to linger like all those trying

48:32

to do now to see Pantoja at 34 to

48:34

see the Gerardo at 34 when he came back

48:37

and won the title again from Moreno like Dude,

48:39

there's something in the blood in the mindset

48:42

there that it's like resilience can produce champions

48:44

in all-time grades But they

48:46

can reinvent themselves and sustain Luke

48:49

in almost ways. We haven't been able to see from

48:51

anyone else historically I mean just dogs the

48:53

interesting part about Pantoja is he's not the

48:55

pick who you want John Jones Toporia Habib

48:57

these guys who go undefeated on route to

48:59

the title, right from the moment They

49:01

start to the moment they get there. They just blow

49:03

through everybody. That's not Pantoja story. He had ups He

49:06

had some downs and this is kind of putting it

49:08

all together in the last part

49:10

of his prime And

49:12

so dude, some of these battles are tooth

49:14

and nail some of these battles are you

49:16

know, inch by inch and he's barely winning

49:19

them But the difference to me is

49:21

BC and if you see this is Pantoja skilled

49:23

No doubt about it But what's winning

49:25

these is the is the burning desire all

49:27

the time because honestly He's either as skilled

49:30

in certain cases obviously in the ground He's

49:32

better than a lot of his backpacking is

49:34

great But there's a lot of places where

49:36

he is overmatched But he makes

49:38

up for that by just getting in your

49:41

fucking face and making you fight on his

49:43

terms And that's why he's

49:45

just barely eking it out sometimes, but

49:47

he's consistently doing that. He's got

49:49

him. He's got a formula You haven't felt anything

49:51

burning in your loins to that level Luke

49:53

since those frat house STD I

49:55

had jock itch in high school. Go let's

49:58

go to that co-main event speaking of Brazil and

50:00

Legends, Jose Aldo at age 37, goes back

50:03

from retirement in which he was inducted to

50:05

the UFC Hall of Fame and chooses to

50:07

close out his current UFC contract on his

50:09

own terms. He admits that he turned down

50:11

the UFC's extension offer. What did

50:13

he do in the co-main event? Went in there against

50:16

Jonathan Martinez riding a six-fight win streak and

50:18

dropped three 3027s over

50:20

the course of the fight, relying on

50:22

his boxing, looking to be in incredible

50:24

shape. Great cardio, the full

50:27

transformation that we've seen in recent

50:29

years of Aldo from featherweight king

50:31

to now still dangerous veteran, Bantamweight,

50:33

was on full patrol here

50:35

and you got the full experience. Luke at

50:37

37, how great is

50:40

Jose Aldo still after this

50:42

performance? Dark Horse

50:44

title contender. Dark

50:46

Horse title contender. He announced his retirement

50:49

in 2022. He

50:51

has been off for some time. 37

50:55

years of age, at Bantamweight, one

50:58

of the toughest divisions. Amazing. Taking on a

51:00

guy who was a surging contender, still ranked

51:02

outside the top 10, which I do think

51:04

matters. But like, Jose could have got hurt

51:06

bad in this fight if he wasn't as

51:08

dialed in at this. That's right. And

51:11

I was watching this and I was saying to myself, okay, BC,

51:13

here we go. Say yes or no. Did

51:17

his reaction time look good?

51:20

Yes. Did his willingness

51:23

to take a punch and then

51:25

throw back look good? Yes. Did his

51:27

quickness look good? He looked like he went to the fountain

51:29

of youth. Is this the post you saw the arrow shining

51:31

through? It could be. It could be. I'm

51:34

not, you know me about anti-doping. People don't want to have that conversation,

51:36

but we have no idea. He looked awesome. He

51:38

looked awesome. And the point I'm trying to make is,

51:41

did his decision making look good? Yes. So

51:43

did he look prime, Jose Aldo?

51:46

No. No. But

51:48

was there a drop off? Not

51:51

really. Not much of one from the last time

51:53

we saw him in a pre-morab because that fight

51:55

was at altitude and he just got held against

51:57

the wall. looks

52:00

just as good as the

52:02

day he left the UFC maybe even a little bit

52:04

better Jonathan Martinez of this one we

52:07

did kind of expect a little bit I even said

52:09

what is Martinez's calling card the kicking game

52:12

and particularly like kicking game but Josie

52:14

Aldo fearsome leg kicker underrated

52:16

defense and when you mix that with the takedown

52:19

defense like he'll shut you down he will shut

52:21

your shit down and then you better have an

52:23

answer and Martinez for as good as

52:25

he is and I want to be clear dude Martinez

52:27

this is why the win is so good for Aldo

52:29

Martinez is a good fighter Aldo

52:32

the depth of his game when

52:34

he got what he wanted to take down

52:36

late he got it when he wanted to

52:38

when he eventually began to work the defense

52:41

he got it and then he pushed inside

52:43

of a range or now he's making Martinez

52:45

deal with his boxing which he could not

52:47

do there are so many layers

52:50

to the game of Josie Aldo so the

52:52

fact that he had by hooker

52:55

by crook kept himself in great

52:57

condition and then was technically so

52:59

proficient you had that experience I mean that

53:02

and that spirit do a three-round fight for

53:04

Josie Aldo is a walk in the park

53:06

there Wow what a performance for

53:08

the king and I want to say one more thing if I

53:10

may be see there's a lot of

53:12

newer fans that come to the sport every

53:14

few years some after the pandemic some even

53:16

since the things got going after that right

53:19

on Strickland brought in a lot of fans with

53:21

he certainly did and they all seemed like they're

53:23

very unhappy undersexed males but the point I want

53:25

to make here is the

53:27

point I want to make here is just a lot of

53:29

dudes who are not getting their dick sucked I mean okay

53:31

okay there's a lot of angry dude we just lost the

53:33

spot okay or maybe gained a few but but the point

53:35

not him I'm just saying the followers a lot of dudes

53:37

who just okay there

53:39

are so many people who I see Oh

53:42

GSP wasn't that good Oh

53:44

Aldo wasn't that good Oh John Jones isn't that

53:46

good and I'm like everyone plays

53:48

this game or later on they look at someone's resume and

53:50

they begin to be like well that wasn't that great that

53:52

wasn't that great and then what

53:54

you realize is these are just is

53:57

nonsense but it's so great that

53:59

Aldo has come back around and

54:02

seemingly out of nowhere, you dismantle a very

54:04

good contender. I don't care. I mean, look,

54:06

if he's drinking a different brand of coffee

54:08

and this one's stronger, look, look, we're going

54:10

to always be open to the potentials of

54:12

what's going on there with aging athletes being

54:14

able to turn it back on. But

54:17

to some degree, I think he's in a better spot

54:19

mentally without question. I think there

54:22

was that in-between area, right? I mean, he got

54:24

re-motivated going down to Banham Wade and became sort

54:26

of an accidental title contender due to a star

54:28

power when you consider he got a title shot

54:31

immediately after a loss there to Marlon Marais, although

54:33

a close one. But I think,

54:35

Luke, you know, he went on another run

54:37

and then lost it against Marab

54:39

and made the decision to retire and it may

54:41

have been the right time. I think he was

54:43

a little bit lost since the two losses to

54:46

Holloway outside of having purpose again for that Banham

54:48

Wade title run. But then when

54:50

you're in that mid to late 30s, maybe when you

54:52

aren't training as hard, you can see sometimes when these

54:54

dips start and we go, oh, there it is, he's

54:56

old, he's not the same guy or whatever. Whatever

54:59

Jose Aldo had to go through, through

55:01

retirement, through getting serious into boxing again,

55:04

it's re-sharpened his focus, but he seems

55:06

very happy to be there. He seems

55:09

willing to go in there and rip himself. I mean, that's

55:11

what I'm saying about these late 30 Brazilian

55:13

legends, the way that they're able to just kind

55:15

of look at Barbosa, the shape he's been

55:17

getting in lately, just sort of, I think he went

55:19

through that same mental thing too of, you know, there

55:21

can be dips and highs and lows in your motivation.

55:24

Whatever Jose had to go through, he's

55:26

got that motivation back. So, Luke, do

55:28

you think that motivation was ultimately to

55:31

come out here and shine in a

55:33

key negotiating window and give himself the

55:35

leverage to get a very good UFC

55:37

restructure contract moving forward, or do

55:39

you think because he looks so great, maybe he

55:41

does try this on the open market, try to

55:43

get a big crossover boxing name, try maybe to

55:46

entertain smart cage pay-per-view money. I mean, what do

55:48

you think he does with this? Because there is

55:50

money on his side of the table right now

55:52

from this performance, and he looks really happy to

55:54

be there, happy to put in the work, happy

55:57

to find a new

55:59

life, which is... incredible at 37 find

56:01

new life yeah

56:03

and what I would add on top of that is well

56:07

yes I would agree with that I mean let me answer the question same

56:12

answer I'm gonna give to just about everyone who's

56:14

in a similar circumstance aging legend don't have a

56:16

lot of time left still look pretty good end

56:19

of your contract what happens next he's gonna look for

56:21

the biggest offer I think you

56:23

know so if the UFC gives him an expedited title fight which

56:25

I don't think a lot of people would be super

56:28

upset at that depends we'll see

56:30

they announced yesterday that's worth stopping to have

56:32

that conversation because he got the title shot

56:34

off of losing to Maraishe he

56:36

just lost a controversial loss I

56:39

won't say controversial I think just think disputed I

56:41

just think that the right was no there's difference

56:43

between controversial and

56:45

disputed disputed just means people are split

56:48

controversial usually means somebody got it way

56:50

wrong or there was a well I

56:52

guess it would depend on your view of the judges and how

56:54

charitable it is to make it either way a

56:57

lot of people felt like he won that one

56:59

but okay but considering he lost to Marab who's

57:01

probably getting the next title shot in fact Sean

57:03

O'Malley this weekend was fielding reporters questions about are

57:05

you fighting Marab in the sphere and he was

57:07

like well maybe not the sphere but I

57:10

could be fighting him in September there's

57:12

no chance although deserves to get slid

57:15

in above Marab but could he get

57:17

O'Malley on a short turnaround if

57:19

he beats him I mean it's not a short turnaround

57:21

cuz it would have to be this fall that he

57:23

would fight Marab what does Jose do could he get

57:25

a really heavy UFC new

57:27

contract and kind of wait in line

57:29

potentially as in the winner of Marab

57:32

and Sean I don't know what a Marab

57:34

versus Aldo fight does on pay-per-view a Sean

57:37

versus Aldo fight does a lot better obviously especially

57:39

if Sean coming off of a rob win the

57:41

Bell I could see doing that rematch in Brazil

57:43

Jose versus Marab yeah that's what you put a

57:46

co-main event he can even put a bigger one

57:48

there does he deserve it for one

57:50

victory out of retirement against Jonathan Martinez no no deserve

57:52

no but what this isn't a world where you get

57:54

what you deserve this is a world where you get

57:56

what you leverage for yourself so that that's it you

57:59

like your money's leaning toward him coming back to UFC,

58:01

that they'll take care of him and he'll come back.

58:03

So I'll say this, here's what I think are his

58:05

three best options from the outside looking in. One,

58:08

UFC gives him some kind of better deal and

58:10

an expedited title shot because that's where the real

58:12

money is if you can get the belt. That's

58:14

one. Two, I think it's an

58:16

outside shot. I don't think it's that likely, but if

58:18

I'm the PFL, I've got Patchy Mix. I

58:21

have no one for this guy to fight. He might be

58:23

the best Bantamweight in the world. Gotta

58:25

tell you, Apache Mix versus a Jose Aldo

58:27

fight, it's one of the best fights you can

58:29

make outside of the UFC irrespective of weight class. That's incredible.

58:31

And if they might give him the money for it, I

58:33

would take, dude, if they said to me, what would

58:36

you rather get? Marab versus Aldo 2 or

58:38

Aldo versus Patchy Mix? I'm taking Aldo Patchy

58:40

Mix 10 times out of 10. The

58:43

third one is the influencer or even just

58:46

straight up boxing route. And

58:48

I don't know who he and his team have out pegged as

58:50

like, oh, that's a good candidate. Did you hear the Floyd rumors

58:52

at one point? Did you believe them? Isn't Floyd

58:54

stuck in Dubai? I saw that over the weekend. I don't know.

58:57

I don't know what the situation is there. I don't know how lucrative

59:00

that would be. But

59:04

those two on the MMA side seem like

59:06

very viable possibilities. Apache Mix were a big

59:08

number. By the way, it would be a

59:11

Bellator title. Wouldn't that be weird? First

59:13

guy to win a UFC title, then go to Bellator

59:15

and then potentially win a Bellator title? It hasn't really

59:17

happened in reverse that way, I don't believe. No,

59:20

Bader went there and won two titles, but he didn't. Oh,

59:22

fuck, you're right. But he never won it. You're right, he

59:24

never won it. So anyway, the point I'm trying

59:26

to make is that would be huge. Let's see who

59:28

gives them the money. I think that was Dictator's option.

59:31

Indeed. All right, let's go to topic number four, which

59:33

is essentially winners and losers elsewhere at

59:35

UFC 301 on Saturday night.

59:37

Luke, before we get into these winners, including

59:39

this turn, almost a turn back the clock,

59:42

good feeling Anthony Smith breakthrough early submission. I

59:44

want to talk about one of the biggest

59:46

losers. So if you tuned into at El

59:48

Thomas News on the old X this weekend,

59:50

you were berated that the sky was falling.

59:53

All the neighborhoods. You were

59:55

berated with the fact that the sky, I don't

59:58

think you know what berate means. All the neighborhood. Children

1:00:00

were running into Luke's lawn and wouldn't get off

1:00:02

there to retrieve their balls and

1:00:05

ESPN plus had ruined Luke's night But Luke

1:00:07

wouldn't just my night. I'm here to tell

1:00:09

you what happened to me in the last 24

1:00:11

hours I wasn't able to watch UFC 301 live

1:00:13

because I was at the Canelo fight Purchased

1:00:15

the pay-per-view. Well that worked to purchase it

1:00:18

Oh, yeah, we'll take your money But on my

1:00:20

laptop and my phone

1:00:22

literally trying everything Wi-Fi off

1:00:24

Wi-Fi hotspotting VPNing everything possible

1:00:28

I couldn't get ESPN plus on my laptop

1:00:30

or phone to play The

1:00:32

purchase that is telling me that I purchased same thing

1:00:34

happened to you in real time This

1:00:37

feels disastrously bad for the future. Can they fix this

1:00:39

all I'm getting is bam tech errors Well every time

1:00:41

I'm trying to click on it. I don't get errors.

1:00:43

I just Every time

1:00:45

I go to my ESPN Plus

1:00:48

section I click on the thumbnail for the

1:00:50

main card or anyone I can find for

1:00:52

you to 301 and then it routes

1:00:54

me to That page and then the screen refreshes and it

1:00:56

asked me to buy the pay-per-view again exactly and then I

1:00:59

try to buy it again It says oh you don't have

1:01:01

to buy it you already paid for it You're all set

1:01:03

then they go back and then the process starts over and

1:01:05

over and over again Now I've had problems with ESPN plus

1:01:07

for a while where you buy it and then it doesn't

1:01:09

work and then everyone tells you the Same thing Oh change

1:01:12

browsers Sometimes in the past that has worked or

1:01:14

they tell you to log out of your account log

1:01:16

back in yes in the past that has Work that

1:01:18

is no longer working BC I

1:01:21

called ESPN plus Customer

1:01:23

service on Sunday. Oh you got a live body.

1:01:25

I got a live body and I spent an

1:01:27

hour on the phone They could not figure out

1:01:29

what the problem was I even had to give

1:01:31

them my IP address and they tried to

1:01:33

see if there was any kind of issue with that There

1:01:35

was not when they did not like looking at your search

1:01:37

history through that I'm

1:01:40

not looking for you know Also

1:01:44

Akira or okay. Yeah in the in

1:01:46

the ESPN plus chat But I'm just

1:01:48

trying to point out they gave

1:01:50

me an hour on the phone and I didn't end up

1:01:52

with a refund and I didn't End up being able to

1:01:55

watch it at all. They told me watch it. So they

1:01:57

told me was wait until this was yesterday They said wait

1:01:59

until today So today BC, I fired

1:02:01

it up again and wouldn't you know it,

1:02:04

I cannot watch. BC,

1:02:06

I do not understand. It's not

1:02:08

just about me on that event.

1:02:10

Don't berate us with this. I'm

1:02:12

not. Do I even know what bi-write means?

1:02:16

I cannot believe in

1:02:19

an era when there are

1:02:21

numerous other streaming platforms who

1:02:24

all have flawless service, even those that relate

1:02:26

to one behind a paywall. For example, I

1:02:28

used ppv.com and I was able to watch

1:02:31

the Canelo fight. No issues, no problem

1:02:33

at all. Worked just fine in

1:02:36

an era where a there is

1:02:38

stiff competition from

1:02:40

other streaming platforms and rights holders change

1:02:43

over time pretty considerably. And

1:02:45

then to when piracy is

1:02:47

so ubiquitous sure that

1:02:50

you can trot out a

1:02:53

product as universally reviled

1:02:56

and quite literally

1:02:58

non-functioning as ESPN+.

1:03:01

Dude, the balls on

1:03:03

this company to think a product this deficient

1:03:06

won't come back to haunt them in the

1:03:08

end. Well first of all, I'm here to

1:03:10

tell you that PowerSlap has the best production

1:03:12

in all of sports and they should win

1:03:14

an Emmy. It's not a UMP call. I'm

1:03:16

not bashing the UFP for this. Is there

1:03:19

any chance that this is the continuation of

1:03:21

the four minute Dana anti-media video or is

1:03:23

he purposely going to the switchers and the

1:03:25

operators and saying, find the IP to Campbell's?

1:03:27

No, because you are having problems. But we

1:03:29

both speak out against this stuff. Okay,

1:03:32

how about this? When I did CBS Sports HQ

1:03:35

after the UFC 301 event was over and I had

1:03:37

to give them a 10 minute spiel on what happened,

1:03:40

they told me before we started, Hakeem told me that

1:03:42

they couldn't, they ordered the pay-per-view and

1:03:44

couldn't get it to work. My DMs were filled

1:03:46

with people. This was not a pay-per-view card on

1:03:49

paper and yet they're actively pushing me away from

1:03:51

watching. Losing their mind. And then by the way,

1:03:53

it was funny, on the call that I had

1:03:55

yesterday with the ESPN Customer Service, ESPN Plus Customer

1:03:57

Service, what they told me was, oh, this works better on the

1:03:59

on your TV on your phone, I'm like, well first of all,

1:04:02

I'm not watching on my fucking phone, number one.

1:04:04

Number two, yes of course, I can watch it

1:04:06

on my TV, but it's in the living room.

1:04:09

I need to watch in my office, where my

1:04:11

computers are, and she was like, why don't you

1:04:13

just go watch the TV? I'm like, lady. Yeah,

1:04:15

Tukey watches Blippi, come on. I'm like, lady, you

1:04:18

are selling paper views as

1:04:20

available on a computer browser.

1:04:23

They have to work,

1:04:25

or stop selling them on

1:04:27

the computer browser. I cannot

1:04:30

believe, UFC 300, couldn't watch it, and

1:04:33

I paid for it. UFC 301, couldn't watch it,

1:04:35

and I paid for it. BC, if

1:04:37

the streaming services are

1:04:39

less reliable than the piracy, I

1:04:42

never ever wanna

1:04:44

hear an ESPN executive say

1:04:47

one fucking word about piracy.

1:04:49

Your product sucks so bad,

1:04:52

you have driven paying

1:04:55

customers to that

1:04:57

place. Enjoy that

1:04:59

future. Tough

1:05:02

words from a tough man.

1:05:04

And I'm serious, question, what the fuck am

1:05:06

I supposed to do for UFC 302? Is

1:05:09

it going to work? Serious question,

1:05:11

is it going to work? I think you're gonna have to

1:05:13

pirate it. They're not making it easy. They gotta fix that,

1:05:15

look, they gotta fix it. You're making this all about me,

1:05:17

dude, everyone is- I couldn't watch it, I'm actually trying to

1:05:19

do my job, and watch these flights, I had to watch

1:05:21

it on some bootleg Long Island Luke stream, and thank you

1:05:24

for having that Long Island Luke, I hope I didn't out

1:05:26

ya. Stealing. Wow, all right, those were the big losers

1:05:28

of 201, 301, but

1:05:30

when we're talking about the winners in here in

1:05:32

topic number four on Saturday, Luke,

1:05:34

if Canelo heard the whispers

1:05:36

and the anger from critics, and

1:05:38

he fueled that properly, what

1:05:41

we did, Anthony Smith, who at age 35, we were kind of

1:05:44

like, man, maybe he should go away. He

1:05:47

believed that he can still contend. Well,

1:05:49

he got two minutes to show it against,

1:05:52

was it Eeyore Petrino, did I just

1:05:54

screw that up? Eeyore Petrino, excuse

1:05:56

me, and in two minutes, Luke,

1:05:58

guillotine sub. And it felt really

1:06:01

good to see the aging veteran fighter remind

1:06:03

you who he still is Is

1:06:05

anthony smith all the way back? Did he get his mojo back

1:06:07

with his performance? Well, here's what was interesting to me Yes,

1:06:11

he got the sub and he got the

1:06:13

sub in part because patrino made some bad

1:06:15

decisions So he picks him up

1:06:17

and then smith kind of jumps guard and it's like

1:06:19

either you have to turn them When you

1:06:22

score a double you have to pull the legs

1:06:24

past you so that when you dump them There

1:06:26

is no guillotine or if they jump guillotine and

1:06:28

that's no longer possible You need to rest against

1:06:30

the fence and then hand fight and not just

1:06:32

fall into guard Because that's what happens

1:06:34

when you have a good black belt and you do that.

1:06:36

So patrino was making some poor decisions Which

1:06:38

is indicative of potentially his long-term

1:06:41

ability, but I will say this for smith

1:06:43

First of all, I was very very worried for him. I did not

1:06:45

know how this was going to go patrino Fucking

1:06:47

built like a brick shithouse and I thought that was going

1:06:49

to be enough smith looked Short

1:06:52

fight short fight. He looked physical.

1:06:54

He was in the pocket. He was

1:06:56

landing and throwing leg kicks He was

1:06:58

confident. He was marching down patrino Look

1:07:01

confident mental warfare. You have to go through at

1:07:03

that point in your career when everyone's telling you

1:07:05

to walk away They're like you got a good

1:07:08

broadcasting job. Just go you don't belong here anymore

1:07:10

I love that it rallied him stuck it

1:07:13

to everybody. I mean, he was so poised

1:07:15

and confident and surgical He got

1:07:17

the job done. It felt great to watch. He absolutely

1:07:19

did I mean this does speak to an extent to

1:07:21

the depth at light heavyweight sure but for the anthony

1:07:23

smith experience Where he had

1:07:25

even said everyone is counting me out. They

1:07:28

want me to be a gatekeeper This is about

1:07:30

a passing of the torch. He even said pre-fight.

1:07:32

Fuck that Of course, he's getting lambasted on social

1:07:34

media for it and then he goes out and

1:07:36

he does that Um, the

1:07:38

demise of anthony smith was grossly

1:07:40

overstated. There's a little bit of life left

1:07:42

in that tank I think you should get a big fight out of

1:07:44

this Can he win a title that

1:07:47

still seems like a pretty big climb big

1:07:49

fight be the grappling challenge that him and

1:07:51

alex perrera Have been going back and forth.

1:07:53

I would love to see that. I

1:07:55

think smith wins that one Probably I

1:07:57

think smith wins that one smith's very good on the ground

1:08:00

But either way, wouldn't you agree he's earned a really

1:08:02

big opportunity with this by showing? Hey, there's a little bit

1:08:04

of life left in this thing. Yes, I just don't want

1:08:06

that opportunity to be too big. I don't want to throw

1:08:08

him back to the wolf. So who would be like a…

1:08:10

Well, I want him to start having to build back a

1:08:13

win streak to get back to being potentially

1:08:15

the… If you want to make that climb? I

1:08:18

mean, if not, you become a name opponent,

1:08:20

right? Yeah. So it's like I think

1:08:22

he wants to make another run at contention. I think, you

1:08:25

know, this has to rejuvenate him to believe he can do

1:08:27

that. This division might be, to your point, you know, inexperienced

1:08:29

enough that he might be able to make some. I mean,

1:08:31

the guys, Luke, that we thought would be here at this

1:08:33

point, and Kalya of Rakhic, they

1:08:35

didn't exactly get here. It's been mayhem

1:08:37

atop this division. That's right. So

1:08:39

we'll see how – what happens. You can do the Rakhic rematch. I

1:08:42

know he lost, but like it might work out in terms

1:08:44

of the rankings and everything. I mean, either

1:08:46

way, when you're an aging fighter and you've been through a lot

1:08:48

of damage and then you sort of rejuvenate and resurrect, your gift

1:08:50

is always going to be an even harder fight that could produce

1:08:52

– That's right. – that they're not – So

1:08:55

it's more difficult to – We're going to get into

1:08:57

the show today that I believe in DMs from Donks,

1:08:59

Luke, but Kyle Barrajo – Bihalio. – Bihalio. –

1:09:02

Kyle Bihalio is certainly a middleweight prospect who's

1:09:04

rising, and he only needed a few minutes to

1:09:06

send friend of the program, Paul Craig, back

1:09:09

to the stab capital of the world, Glasgow.

1:09:11

– Let's go. – Let's

1:09:13

go. Let's go. Brandon Wise

1:09:15

of CBS Sports thinks we broke Paul

1:09:18

Craig because we – How did we break it? When he

1:09:20

appeared in London on our interview show, Room Service Diaries, and

1:09:22

we're like, man, this is the funniest guy ever. He's the

1:09:24

best. The rejuvenation, the reinvention at middleweight

1:09:26

hasn't fully worked here, Luke. It's yet another tough

1:09:28

knockout loss. Has Brandon ever sent a compliment about

1:09:30

MK to you because he's never sent one to

1:09:33

me? Is this a challenge? No, I'm just sort

1:09:35

of curious. Have you ever got any feedback about

1:09:37

what we've done at MK that's been anything other

1:09:39

than angry and – He's probably drinking that haterade,

1:09:41

yeah. Yeah, a lot of that from Brandon. What

1:09:44

do you think about, A, where

1:09:46

Kyle can go with this performance, but B, like,

1:09:48

with the age and the knockout losses adding up,

1:09:50

it's a tough spot for Paul Craig after this?

1:09:54

This was bad. I will say I thought

1:09:56

Bihalio fought really well. Took

1:09:59

his time. Paul Craig had to go for

1:10:01

a takedown couldn't get it with baseball slide to go

1:10:03

to guard Bihalio has a good ground game but

1:10:06

decided to fight a more strategic fight on his

1:10:08

terms Would would never participate in

1:10:10

the ground backed up forced Paul Craig to stand

1:10:12

and then you see the results was able in

1:10:14

the second Round to eventually put him away. This

1:10:17

was a very Mature performance

1:10:19

from Bihalio now, of course Craig

1:10:22

leaves his head right in the middle and he was getting tagged

1:10:24

over and over again I will say I'm

1:10:26

a little bit. I mean, here's the thing we see it's like

1:10:28

changing weight classes people say Oh, it doesn't mean anything. It

1:10:31

would mean it means something but

1:10:33

if Dude, I love Paul

1:10:35

Craig. He was great to us it's

1:10:37

hard to watch that fight and think that he couldn't

1:10:39

be doing much more with his stand-up technique there and

1:10:43

Bihalio Realized that he was gonna

1:10:45

have an advantage there and just stuck to it and sure

1:10:47

enough The deficiencies really really

1:10:49

plagued Paul Craig. So on the

1:10:52

one hand nice

1:10:54

grown mature performance From

1:10:56

Kyle Bihalio salute. Well done from

1:10:59

Paul Craig It's like I don't understand

1:11:01

the point of draining yourself To

1:11:03

get down to any weight class if

1:11:05

your stand-up is gonna be this deficient

1:11:07

this late in the game They're gonna

1:11:09

piece you up in either place and

1:11:11

that's exactly what you got here 36 years

1:11:13

old four losses in his last five I

1:11:16

will say this by stoppage. We'll say this

1:11:18

he's from Scotland the Glasgow

1:11:20

Knife Capital Let's fucking go

1:11:23

Scotland shouts to Tom Stoltman He

1:11:26

won his third from Scotland third

1:11:28

world's strongest man third and four

1:11:30

years by the way He got second last

1:11:32

year Canadian don't beat him this year. He

1:11:34

gets it back Scotland still having a good

1:11:37

sporting weekends for point that out Bihalio 16

1:11:39

and one as a professional unbeaten in the

1:11:42

UFC Get this guy

1:11:44

big middleweight. Yeah, let's find out here into good

1:11:46

opportunity with this one Absolutely anyone else you want

1:11:48

to shout out on this a weird stoppage in

1:11:50

the Brito and Jack Shore fight Shore gets a

1:11:52

big cut on his shin referees like

1:11:54

oh, it's fractured. They call it sure

1:11:57

goes to the hospital No fracture. They

1:11:59

stitch him up And he's fine. He was on his

1:12:01

way back, but it's a loss. I feel

1:12:03

very bad for Jack Shore. That sucks a lot I

1:12:05

could see his soul through it through his it was

1:12:07

a bad was a bad cut. It was a bad

1:12:09

cut also Elvis Brenner Reversing I'm

1:12:11

gonna mispronounce his name Mike

1:12:13

to Beck oral by the the

1:12:15

dog from I think he's

1:12:18

either Mongolian or a pretty weird. Yeah

1:12:21

Oral by very very good grappling, but

1:12:23

dude Brenner had just the right kind

1:12:25

of Reversal grappling like

1:12:27

they were not equally good at takedowns but

1:12:30

one guy was very good at reversing giving

1:12:32

him tons of problems and then kind of

1:12:34

surging late and also Grabbing

1:12:36

the fence and they immediately take a point for it.

1:12:39

Loved it loved it loved it loved it So in

1:12:41

the end or why gets the win good for him?

1:12:43

He was better also to car clothes

1:12:45

getting a nice win over Joaquin Silva see him soon I'd

1:12:47

have you seen this and that's really about it. There's just

1:12:49

a few other things I gotta I gotta take a whiz

1:12:51

really bad I'm just going through my own inner debacle looking

1:12:53

at the clock and managing the pain with the action Why

1:12:56

don't you can you listen? What I was

1:12:58

did you see where the rock is in trouble? Because

1:13:00

rock, you know the rock is getting panned for

1:13:02

for him kind of ruining action movies and oh

1:13:04

and in urinating bottles Yeah How you know we

1:13:06

show up nine hours late and how he wouldn't

1:13:08

want to break to to take a whiz so

1:13:10

he would just break Out the bottle at all

1:13:12

points and like in front of people and just

1:13:14

I mean I feel like is there a time

1:13:16

and a place For that yes, so my grandfather

1:13:18

used to bring one on the drive to Florida

1:13:21

If you're a trucker and you just can't afford

1:13:23

to stop and you got to do the build But

1:13:25

do you remember that lady who had the love

1:13:27

triangle the NASA scientist who had the love triangle

1:13:30

and she she drove from Texas

1:13:32

to Florida and she didn't want to stop so

1:13:34

she on a way to go confront her other

1:13:37

She wore depends so she wouldn't have to stop Why

1:13:40

can't the rock just wear depends I can I just wear

1:13:43

right now So I was wondering if that was like the

1:13:45

grossest thing you can do to people But my grandfather used

1:13:47

to do it. We all accepted it in the back of

1:13:49

the van But you're white trash Okay,

1:13:53

you're not white trash hey well, I mean

1:13:56

I grew up around it the old

1:13:58

on you But yeah,

1:14:00

I grew up around did I do some people?

1:14:02

Yeah, we was two tank tops in the summer

1:14:04

the winner Yeah, I had a microphone balls and

1:14:06

cans. Yeah, there we go. All right, let's go

1:14:08

to topic number five guys It happened this morning

1:14:10

Jesus Christ the first major professional

1:14:13

boxing card in the Tokyo Dome

1:14:16

since James Buster Douglas upset Mike

1:14:18

Tyson in 1990

1:14:20

and it couldn't have happened here to a better superstar

1:14:23

When you talk about my personal pound

1:14:25

for pound King entering this weekend Naiwa

1:14:28

and away the four division champion the

1:14:30

undisputed junior featherweight champion at 122 Joining

1:14:33

Terrence Crawford is going undisputed in two

1:14:35

different weight classes. He's 31 years old

1:14:38

He's at the peak of his powers and

1:14:40

Monday morning in Tokyo a new way needed

1:14:42

to get up off the canvas in round

1:14:45

one As he made an

1:14:47

uncharacteristic technical error got caught with a

1:14:49

vicious counter left hand from Luis Nari

1:14:52

But all that did was make the

1:14:54

monster mad three knockdowns later a just

1:14:58

brutal and systematic stoppage of

1:15:00

Luis Nari who brought swagger

1:15:02

power balls to the equation

1:15:05

look We

1:15:11

should have like dogs are completely forgot and I

1:15:13

got called out I think by that guy I

1:15:15

forgot the guy's name Ben Maybe his name was

1:15:17

but Luke here's the deal Luis Nari in the

1:15:19

past went to Japan when he was the band-and-weight

1:15:21

champion fought Shinsuke Yamanaka Knocked

1:15:25

him out failed PEDs for the for the fight

1:15:27

told everybody it was tainted beef They gave him

1:15:29

another chance of next year to come into a

1:15:31

rematch Nari miss weight so badly still went out

1:15:33

and destroyed him in the Yamanaka in the rematch

1:15:35

and knocked him out They banned him from fighting

1:15:37

in Japan and never getting a license Yep, a

1:15:39

new way went to the Commission was like no

1:15:41

this guy's the next opponent lift the band for

1:15:43

one fight And I'll take care of him This

1:15:46

turned out to be awesome to get

1:15:48

you know and also hold it Miree

1:15:50

talked a gang of shit about in

1:15:52

a way He's overrated was a war

1:15:54

and they're really going so it's

1:15:56

like does this provide

1:15:59

with a flag atop the mountain that 31

1:16:01

year old, Niawanui is not just a future

1:16:03

like, not just hall of famer or all

1:16:05

time great, but like seriously one of the

1:16:08

most special fighters of this modern era. Did

1:16:10

he use all of the pound for pound credentials that make

1:16:13

him great to put that flag down and say I'm still

1:16:15

that guy number one? Or should there

1:16:17

be red flags that he just went through an absolute

1:16:19

war here in his fourth weight class? I'm not sure

1:16:21

how much of a war it was. And early on

1:16:23

it was, there was some back and forth. He got

1:16:25

dropped in the first and then he dropped Miri in

1:16:27

the second and never looked back. So is this a

1:16:31

exclamation of him from his pound for pound

1:16:33

abilities or do you market against him after

1:16:35

this performance? I don't market against him. Dude,

1:16:37

he stopped Miri inside of six. By the

1:16:39

way, the over under was six and a

1:16:41

half. So he beat it. He took

1:16:43

the under, he scored the under. I've

1:16:46

been trying to figure out who do I put

1:16:48

number one on my personal pound for pound rankings.

1:16:51

I don't expect this to mean anything to anybody

1:16:53

else. Everyone else can do this exercise for themself.

1:16:55

Who is the best boxer alive? I don't think

1:16:57

you need that disclaimer. People want to hear what's

1:16:59

your opinion on pound for pound for pound? Okay,

1:17:02

but I've been trying to figure it out. So

1:17:04

after, in the immediate aftermath, remember it was the

1:17:06

same week where Inoue beat Marlin to Paulus and

1:17:08

then Bud beat Spence. No, Inoue beat Fulton.

1:17:12

Fulton, what am I saying? I'm so sorry, yes.

1:17:14

That was a huge win. And

1:17:16

it was really, really tough to say. But since

1:17:18

then, Bud hasn't competed. But

1:17:20

I did think that that win was so epic, so special,

1:17:22

so incredible, I had to give it to Bud. I

1:17:25

don't know what Bud is gonna do at 154 against

1:17:27

Madromov. I'll revisit this conversation then.

1:17:31

But today, if someone said, what's your pound for

1:17:33

pound ranking, who's number one? It's

1:17:35

Noeia Inoue. What he has

1:17:37

done today, and what he seemingly does

1:17:39

every time now, is

1:17:42

show absolute

1:17:44

athletic precision, impeccable

1:17:47

timing, showmanship, which I

1:17:49

don't think should be lost. I mean, the Japanese are certainly

1:17:51

helping him with the production effort, but he plays

1:17:54

into the moment, certainly

1:17:56

brutal knockout power,

1:17:59

devastating. Understanding of what

1:18:01

his opponent's gonna do taking it

1:18:03

away and your let me just say this your

1:18:06

margin of error With a

1:18:08

guy like in a way. He's fucking Nothing

1:18:11

two of the knockdowns two of the three

1:18:14

total that he landed featured a

1:18:16

new way backing up to the ropes with his back

1:18:18

against the ropes Waiting for Luis

1:18:20

Nari to overextend on the combinations and

1:18:22

as soon as he does and Nari

1:18:25

squares himself up Yeah, the shortest of

1:18:27

left hooks in both occasions Just like

1:18:29

like he doesn't even get full extension

1:18:31

It kind of just goes like this

1:18:33

just like just enough touch the knockdown

1:18:36

that he scored in round two Which

1:18:38

from a scorecard momentum standpoint brought it

1:18:40

even was just beautiful It was

1:18:42

like almost like a counter half jab half

1:18:44

hook same scenario guy rushing after him Just

1:18:46

the touch to get the droppage in the

1:18:49

knockdown, but then the systematic breakdown to the

1:18:51

body He went on to land twice as

1:18:53

many punches as Nari and Connected

1:18:55

on nearly 50% of his power shot

1:18:57

same thing canelo did by the way against monkey of 50% of his

1:18:59

power shots Incredible stat.

1:19:02

Yeah, he showed us everything in the pound-for-pound arsenal

1:19:04

I don't hold the knockdown against him even though

1:19:07

Luke it was well studied on tape.

1:19:09

It is a rare Technical mistake

1:19:11

that he makes he doesn't make many of them, but he

1:19:13

is a human So he does make them and it's been

1:19:15

shown before on camera as well I mean, this is not

1:19:17

the first time he's had a first

1:19:20

time he's been dropped But first time not the first time

1:19:22

he's had a visible issue. He's not perfect There are some

1:19:24

there are some elements to him

1:19:26

that that could be worked on but what I am gonna

1:19:28

say is Dude, I

1:19:30

mean think about the final combination, right?

1:19:32

So he hits him with the

1:19:35

uppercut with the right hand and in the process

1:19:37

the timing on he hits him There

1:19:39

was a left coming from near II usually when I

1:19:41

hit the right uppercut This is a famous canelo punch

1:19:43

canelo will let me get it to my right say

1:19:45

he'll jab Yeah uppercut also he

1:19:47

can then throw the left to the liver

1:19:49

It's one of his favorite he and Jose

1:19:52

Cito Lopez a million times right one of

1:19:54

his favorite combinations But here there

1:19:56

is a bit of a he throws off

1:19:58

a left hand gets into range over

1:20:00

hits him with the right and waits

1:20:02

just a beat for that left to

1:20:04

come screaming around from near E same

1:20:07

right hand on the uppercut goes bop bop

1:20:09

and then comes around the corner and then

1:20:11

dude when near E fell it just like

1:20:14

like a like a balloon with the air being left

1:20:16

out of it yeah his ability

1:20:18

to make split-second

1:20:20

decisions is

1:20:22

impressive and BC those

1:20:24

split-second decisions often carry

1:20:27

astronomical consequences for his opponent that

1:20:29

two for quick decisions that

1:20:32

are powerful they have no answer

1:20:34

for remember he was a he was an insane

1:20:36

pro prodigy in a Lomachenko type way from the

1:20:38

standpoint that he won a world title as six

1:20:40

pro fight won a world title in a second

1:20:42

division like his eighth he's now

1:20:44

up to four divisions twice

1:20:47

as undisputed it's we're

1:20:49

watching here is something the fact

1:20:51

that he's carrying his power I

1:20:53

mean even the great chocolate Tito

1:20:55

sort of leveled out at

1:20:58

115 with his power and he's reinvented himself there

1:21:00

but like when he hit that ceiling and was

1:21:02

suddenly getting hurt and even dropped at times we

1:21:04

got to see the very best of him in that old age every

1:21:07

time a new way steps up he just shatters the

1:21:09

ceiling above him goes in there and just

1:21:12

dismantles Fulton goes in you know destroys to Paulus

1:21:14

destroys Paul Butler couple fights before that now it's

1:21:16

looking like Australian Sam Goodman who they brought in

1:21:18

the ring who is like 18 and 0 with

1:21:20

8 kos is the mandatory that he's next in

1:21:22

a new age it's like yeah fine but

1:21:25

like whenever this is why you know that he's truly

1:21:27

an all-time great it's not just the speed timing everything

1:21:29

you just laid out when the

1:21:31

when the chips are down and it's go time when

1:21:33

he got his face broken against no Nito donair

1:21:35

in their first meeting in the third round and

1:21:37

had to go the rest of the way and lean

1:21:39

on his boxing his chin all of

1:21:42

that and in this fight when he got

1:21:44

hit with a knockout clean counterpunch from a

1:21:46

nasty knockout puncher and what did a new

1:21:48

way do instantly got up got his legs

1:21:50

back under him and started turning the offense

1:21:52

in the same round back against Nary but

1:21:54

did you see the post fight interview a

1:21:56

new way through the translator says this is

1:21:58

the greatest thing that ever happened to me

1:22:00

that I got knocked out in the first round because it

1:22:02

brought me to a new level of focus the rest of

1:22:04

the fight and he said, I don't

1:22:06

remember anything that's happened after that knockdown and

1:22:08

they kept coming back to him the interview and being like,

1:22:11

okay, so what about in this point when the momentum changed?

1:22:13

He was like, I just want to remind you guys, I

1:22:15

don't remember anything. He just did all

1:22:17

that on instinct today. He did all that

1:22:19

we're talking about this sort of like crazy,

1:22:21

you know, he's a boxing computer. Just he

1:22:23

is. I mean, look, he's really

1:22:26

on his way to almost carving out his own

1:22:28

unique historical legacy. Right? Like he's Elvis in Japan,

1:22:30

they say he just he just filled the Tokyo

1:22:32

dome with 40,000 people on

1:22:34

Monday Monday on a Monday. But

1:22:36

you see he's 27 and oh, he's

1:22:39

been one years old. He's been in 22 title

1:22:41

fights and in the 22 title fights, which all

1:22:43

of which he won, he's had

1:22:45

20 knockouts. Dude, you

1:22:48

are dealing with somebody that just won't

1:22:50

be around like this very often. They

1:22:52

will come around so rarely.

1:22:56

No, in a way is the fucking man. I think

1:22:58

it's great as can look and I and I'm fighting

1:23:00

the battle that he's still in the conversation of the

1:23:02

pound for pound best at the moment. I think it's

1:23:05

a new way. Profit at number two,

1:23:07

can I low at number three and then you bring in who's sick

1:23:09

in the heavyweight? You know, I put a sick ahead of him, but

1:23:11

I will say this. Can

1:23:14

you quickly weigh in on this debate that happened because of

1:23:16

a comment that Sean Porter made? Shouts to Sean Porter. We

1:23:18

love him on the show. But he did make

1:23:20

a comment I didn't agree with. And a lot of other people took issue with

1:23:22

as well, which is you think, you know, for in

1:23:25

a way to truly be a star, he has to fight in the United States

1:23:27

or something to that to that effect. Yes. There

1:23:29

is something to be said for it. But what

1:23:31

I will say is, BC, how can you look

1:23:33

at what he's doing? Yes. And say, oh, you're

1:23:35

really missing out on the American experience. Would I

1:23:37

love it if he was here? Didn't he come

1:23:39

twice to the States during the COVID times, you

1:23:41

know, or I think right around then and he

1:23:44

thought on like a smaller theater and then Bob Aaron

1:23:46

was there. Bob Aaron was there in Tokyo too. But

1:23:48

I'm just saying, listen, what I love to see in

1:23:50

the United States. That's a point. It's a point of

1:23:52

viewing. He's fighting on Mars. I

1:23:54

don't think you can sell out the Tokyo Dome and

1:23:57

be Elvis in Japan and be like, oh, he's got

1:23:59

to come here. Yeah, he doesn't have to he calls

1:24:01

the shots like he should be great the key he's

1:24:03

going to need is what is that? Horizon

1:24:06

pay-per-view fight that he's gonna get before

1:24:08

the end of his career that will

1:24:10

be you know The the definitive moneymaker

1:24:12

in his career, but that can ultimately

1:24:14

it's not fine his career. That's

1:24:16

what I was leading to It's my team wants it to be

1:24:18

him But you know tanks fighting around 135 probably

1:24:21

closer to 140 in the future Even if they

1:24:23

did a catchway in tanks somehow got down to

1:24:25

30, which I don't think he hasn't done that

1:24:28

in four years But then you're you're still asking

1:24:30

a new way to come up an additional two

1:24:32

weight classes in eight pounds from where he's at

1:24:34

right now I think he should

1:24:36

and eventually will try the waters at featherweight because I

1:24:38

do think it's just sublime and I think even if

1:24:40

his power Levels out which it has not leveled out

1:24:42

yet He's got the boxing IQ and the

1:24:44

ability to still be Pacquiao

1:24:46

like and be explosive and quick and out work guys.

1:24:49

I think that can still be the case Here's what's

1:24:51

interesting about him. He's a I like

1:24:53

the Pacquiao comparison, but there's a big difference Pacquiao

1:24:55

was a bit of a machine gun kind of

1:24:58

volume guy and in a way is

1:25:00

like there might be three punches and the three

1:25:02

That land all land devastatingly last thing on this.

1:25:04

There's a video top rank posted It's on their

1:25:06

Instagram and it's on their Twitter. I posted it

1:25:08

as well. I shared it Where

1:25:11

it's the it's the someone who had a cell

1:25:13

phone in their ringside at the final sequence when

1:25:15

in a way polishes off Mary and

1:25:18

you hear the uppercut and then the hook

1:25:20

land dude the sound of

1:25:22

this fucking guys punches Yes,

1:25:24

it is amplified by the fact that the

1:25:26

the Japanese watch combat sports like everyone watches

1:25:28

tennis. Yeah, right Even

1:25:31

dude, let's back up a step here. Mary is

1:25:33

known as a big puncher big known

1:25:36

as a big puncher The fact that he dropped them in the first I was

1:25:38

kind of worried cuz I like dude near you can thump Even

1:25:41

then listen to the sound of near his punches

1:25:43

land versus in

1:25:45

a ways and remember near he is the

1:25:47

bigger guy essentially in this equation and Still

1:25:49

in a way do the sound I'm not in any way

1:25:51

accusing of having loaded gloves That's not what I'm saying, but

1:25:54

it sounds like that. It sounds like there's

1:25:56

something extra in there that like just doesn't

1:25:58

make sense It's like when the the the

1:26:00

can't miss Major League prospect is playing you know high

1:26:03

school ball two times away from you and you go

1:26:05

there and You just just hear him ground out to

1:26:07

shortstop and you're just like what sound is

1:26:09

that? I haven't heard that sound coming off

1:26:11

that bat Yeah, it's just something so next

1:26:13

level. But the point is he has all

1:26:15

the other tools as well He

1:26:17

truly is a living legend

1:26:19

right now and we see him continue at 31 before

1:26:22

we get into DMS from dogs We're bringing it back

1:26:24

this week. I wanted to apologize. There was a hiccup

1:26:26

with us going to fans subs Friday We did it

1:26:28

from Sirius XM Studios. They're in a great time at

1:26:30

the win. We just the list got cut off I

1:26:33

didn't realize there was more we didn't play some videos

1:26:35

that were part of it. We're gonna fix that in

1:26:37

the future Correct. We're gonna come back with fans subs

1:26:39

and do it the right way. Yes. Okay, that's what

1:26:41

the fans want We're gonna do it the right way

1:26:43

Well this week we gave you the chance Sunday night

1:26:45

on Instagram on our post at morning combat To respond

1:26:47

with your questions that you want answered on

1:26:49

this show based on the weekend that was

1:26:51

this one's called DMS from

1:26:54

dawn Oh

1:27:00

Is that noise donkey sex or like

1:27:03

bond like pre vomit You're

1:27:05

in a cat like yeah, like a hair

1:27:07

ball. It's gross either way, right? It

1:27:10

really is disturbing Alright, the first one

1:27:12

we got here is from Cole Brown 8 5 8.

1:27:15

What are your thoughts on Michelle? Pereira's

1:27:17

backflip and should he have been penalized

1:27:19

for kneeing and kicking a downed opponent

1:27:21

Luke But today that Pereira would win

1:27:23

his I think was a seventh consecutive

1:27:25

fight across this long win streak And

1:27:27

he took care of that donk in

1:27:29

like less than two minutes Was

1:27:32

it legal against e whore poti era?

1:27:35

Yeah, I'm gonna be a big part of me doesn't

1:27:37

care because I Just

1:27:40

don't have an interest in watching poti area fight. He's

1:27:43

got a weird style that I just don't care for you

1:27:45

like Pereira He's growing on

1:27:47

me. He's definitely going he went to that guillotine

1:27:49

quick. He's great. He's growing. I said this I

1:27:52

kind of stand by dude. There are exceptions. I'm

1:27:54

not saying there's not exceptions But

1:27:56

if you get standing guillotined in the UFC, I'm not

1:27:58

sure you should be in the UFC Wow,

1:28:00

are you just calling that white belt shit? I'm

1:28:03

not saying he is one, but like, dude,

1:28:06

the reality of like, why does a guillotine

1:28:08

work under normal circumstances? It's not just

1:28:10

the choke you're putting on, but the legs you're using – hold

1:28:13

on a second. Do it – fucking

1:28:15

Jesus. I'm holding tight over here. What

1:28:18

I was going to say was you have to use

1:28:20

the legs to also control their hips, and so that's

1:28:22

the two-fer that gets you going. Or

1:28:24

if you do a – you can do a standing guillotine

1:28:26

and then press them into the fence, and the fence assists

1:28:28

you. But if your hands are

1:28:30

free and your feet are free – Yeah, why

1:28:36

are you? Why do I have to take – I'll be right

1:28:38

back. Hold on. I just want to point out, dude, just go

1:28:40

pee on yourself. Just pee on

1:28:42

yourself. All right. This fucking unprofessional dirtbag. Look at

1:28:44

him. Look at this fucking ape.

1:28:47

All right. Give me the next question. I'll do this one, Dolo,

1:28:50

as Sean Price would say. What

1:28:52

do we got here? All right. From

1:28:54

Joshua L. Eventhal or

1:28:56

Lev – L. Eventhal. Joshua

1:28:59

Leventhal. With both Aljo and

1:29:01

Max – again, the word

1:29:03

both – recently moving up and finding great success,

1:29:06

what two adjacent weight classes do you

1:29:08

think provide the most potential for dynamic

1:29:10

new matchmaking? Wait, wait.

1:29:12

Throw it up one more time. What

1:29:15

two adjacent weight classes do you think –

1:29:17

again, I think the one that you see

1:29:20

here, I think you can get from 145 to 155

1:29:22

a little bit of that for sure. Yeah,

1:29:26

it's going to be there. I think that that little

1:29:28

nexus between 135 – I should

1:29:30

say among – 135, 145, and then 155, that

1:29:35

seems to me in terms of body type

1:29:37

differences, in terms of size differences. Again,

1:29:39

by virtue of them being only 10 pounds, it's somewhat

1:29:42

mitigated. Flyweight tends to be a little bit too small,

1:29:44

but Sean O'Malley, I think, a big

1:29:46

size, Bantamweight could go up. I interviewed Ivan Flores,

1:29:48

the coach at Max Holloway, and he even told

1:29:50

me he'd sort of consider Toporia a blown-up Bantamweight.

1:29:52

So I actually do think there's a fair amount

1:29:55

of that. I don't think it's

1:29:57

really going to be middleweight and light heavyweight. You

1:29:59

can do talent. But I don't know if you get the

1:30:01

best kind or even 155 and 170 you could throw 155 in

1:30:03

this conversation as well But

1:30:05

that's your story As

1:30:07

part of this one, but that's really it. So it's

1:30:09

135 to 155. All right next up

1:30:11

Brian Campbell From

1:30:14

it's not cage fighting Inspired

1:30:16

by Ursaag's performance at 301 which

1:30:18

unranked or low ranked fighters 10

1:30:20

to 15 Do you

1:30:23

think could give their champion problems? It's a

1:30:25

great question. So let's pull up the rankings

1:30:28

and I think Did

1:30:31

you pee on yourself? You should

1:30:33

have all right BC. The question is what

1:30:36

guys or girls ranked 10 to

1:30:38

15 should be really 11 to 15 Is what they really

1:30:40

mean could give their champions

1:30:42

problems in their respective weight classes ready? Was

1:30:45

I unprofessional or relatable with this

1:30:48

scenario a little bit of both? Okay. Thank you Okay

1:30:50

here could Matt Schnell beat out Pentoja probably

1:30:53

not know to gear oolong bakav. I don't

1:30:55

think so Tetsuro Tyra not

1:30:57

right now. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet.

1:30:59

But but long-term potential is there some of

1:31:01

the energy No, David Dvorak. No, okay at

1:31:04

135 could any of these guys beat Sean

1:31:06

O'Malley? Dominic Cruz probably

1:31:08

not Jonathan Martinez that's gonna be

1:31:10

replaced by Josie Aldo. So that's a maybe

1:31:12

it's a maybe Mario

1:31:14

Batista, no Ricky Simone. No Pedro

1:31:17

Munoz. No Okay,

1:31:19

who could be Ilya Taforia BC at some Barbosa

1:31:21

according to you. No one I

1:31:23

said right now That's not forever.

1:31:25

Okay, his time will do his time will

1:31:27

come to Edson

1:31:30

Barboza. No price Mitchell. We

1:31:32

already saw that one Dan E. Gay.

1:31:34

I like Dan but no Diego Lopez No, so deak

1:31:37

you said no, you don't think Diego Lopez could have

1:31:39

an outside shot of making a total run here outside

1:31:41

shot outside shot. Yeah Yes,

1:31:43

he's a maybe I'll put him as a maybe alright for 155

1:31:46

Dan Hooker. No dealing Turner

1:31:49

Outside shot unlikely Ben

1:31:51

Washington II not right now, but maybe

1:31:53

he will fight for a world title I mean

1:31:55

and a dos anjos in his prime was a

1:31:57

champion, but not right now Bobby Green. No one

1:32:30

And then, Guskov, no. I don't know if anyone outside

1:32:32

the top six can fill in. There's nobody at 205

1:32:34

that's gonna come close. And then lastly, at heavyweight, Rosenstrike,

1:32:38

no. Derek Lewis, no. Romanov, no. It's a

1:32:40

three-tread city in there. Yeah, no. I'll

1:32:42

just leave it at that, but you get the idea. All right. All

1:32:45

right. Let's keep it going here. Thank

1:32:47

you for picking up. There's a couple. There's a couple.

1:32:49

My urine and Terry problems. Thank you. Next time, you

1:32:51

need to just wear a pants. Like a real man.

1:32:53

Yeah. So

1:32:56

there we go with that. Number four from Landlord 6285.

1:33:00

Interesting handle. Jones versus Pereira is the

1:33:03

heavyweight title fight to make. Historic

1:33:05

fight. Aspinall is the future of

1:33:07

the division anyway. Are we doing skits and

1:33:09

bits here? Jones fight or not? Change

1:33:11

my mind. What are we doing here? Okay. So

1:33:14

this Landlord... No. Read

1:33:17

what he wrote. I did. Aspinall is

1:33:19

the future of the division anyway. No, no. What are we doing

1:33:21

here? What are we doing here? Thank

1:33:24

you, Team Reddit, apparently. But Luke, what is he

1:33:26

actually asking? So he's saying Jones versus Pereira is

1:33:28

the heavyweight fight to make. It's a historic fight.

1:33:30

Dude, I am so tired of this bullshit argument.

1:33:32

I don't even know what his argument is. Hold

1:33:34

on. Here he goes. John is

1:33:36

a legend. And if he

1:33:38

wants to fight X or Y, he can

1:33:41

do it. And my answer to that is yes,

1:33:43

of course. If he doesn't want

1:33:45

to fight Aspinall and he wants to fight

1:33:48

Poetan, we have been

1:33:50

very clear. Do you want to see that fight? I would love

1:33:52

to see that fight. I'm not against that fight. Guys,

1:33:55

how the... I cannot stand

1:33:57

it. I cannot fucking... Oh

1:33:59

no. Stand it. He's about to cook

1:34:02

when when MMA fans shit

1:34:04

on boxing this guy's the champ How come he's

1:34:06

not fighting this guy or this guy's the this

1:34:09

and how come that's not happening? You know why

1:34:11

because in MMA that shit doesn't fly we don't

1:34:13

have a million weight classes We don't have a

1:34:15

bunch of champions not defending titles and then when

1:34:18

a fighter comes around that for whatever reason you like Or

1:34:20

dislike but this case you like What

1:34:22

just let's just do boxing shit.

1:34:24

Let's just throw out the rules.

1:34:27

Let's just completely ignore precedent. Let's

1:34:29

ignore architecture Let's create problems because

1:34:31

we just fucking feel like it

1:34:33

fuck off Fuck

1:34:35

off if you're memo

1:34:38

if you're wearing a belt You

1:34:41

have responsibilities To

1:34:43

that weight class. So if

1:34:46

you don't want those responsibilities fine

1:34:48

And if you're an adult male wearing

1:34:50

a championship belt to a pro wrestling

1:34:53

event, you better be prepared to defend

1:34:55

it exactly right there exactly Right fucking

1:34:57

my mind. Yeah, there's two guys in

1:34:59

this division wearing belts. There isn't And

1:35:12

keep the belt or let go of

1:35:14

the belt and take whatever fight you want But

1:35:17

if you've got the belt you've

1:35:19

got obligations Fucking

1:35:23

period it's not

1:35:25

mysterious. It's not up for

1:35:27

debate Thank

1:35:30

You landlord underwater Lopez

1:35:32

to you too Kids

1:35:40

off your lawn while you're working out

1:35:42

then that would be better appreciated from

1:35:44

Omar underscore underscore vars Canelo's

1:35:47

entrances are always entertaining. Yesterday's I

1:35:49

would say wasn't too over-the-top

1:35:52

What's things that boxing can take

1:35:54

from UFC to present the

1:35:56

product and vice versa? I

1:36:00

mean, would you agree with Ariol's general

1:36:02

beef that boxing press conferences notoriously boring

1:36:04

should take on a more exciting UFC-like

1:36:07

presentation and allow fans to ask questions?

1:36:09

I don't—well, I—no, no, no, no, no.

1:36:11

Okay. Because I don't disagree with this.

1:36:14

I—okay, so the actual, like, entertainment in

1:36:16

the arena, I don't think boxing can

1:36:19

take anything. Quicker pace

1:36:21

would be nice. Say again? Quicker

1:36:23

pace, in general, on boxing cards. Yeah,

1:36:25

sure, fine. Fine. Quicker pace could be okay.

1:36:28

I mean, yeah, okay, there's a couple things, but they're

1:36:30

relatively minor. On the press conference,

1:36:32

I do agree that UFC pressers—and by the way, I'll say, you

1:36:34

know what? I'll back that up a little bit. I'll back that

1:36:36

up. I do like that,

1:36:38

for example, the presser—excuse me, the

1:36:41

weigh-ins will be outside, like, into a Shiba Plata. Yes.

1:36:44

And I think UFC could do a little bit more of

1:36:46

that. They don't do quite enough of that. That's something that

1:36:48