0:00

Keith Gooden: In today's episode of the Motorhome Matt podcast...

0:02

Matt Sims: We're unpacking WIMS. Keith Gooden: What? Matt Sims: WIMS - what they are and why you need to know about

0:10

them! Keith Gooden: In the news, there's a trial of new

0:12

technology being used by the police.

0:14

Matt Sims: And we answer your questions on solar panels and

0:17

insurance companies that cover punctures.

0:24

Keith Gooden: Welcome to the Motorhome Matt podcast. I'm Keith Gooden.

0:26

Matt Sims: And I'm Motorhome Matt. Keith Gooden: Industry insights and expert advice for the world

0:30

of motorhomes, caravans and campervans, and it's brought to

0:33

you by www.thatleisureshop.com.

0:35

Matt Sims: Remember, please do follow on your favourite podcast

0:38

app. Or if you're watching on YouTube, make sure you hit

0:41

subscribe and the little bell - brought to you by

0:43

www.arobasecreative.co.uk. Keith Gooden: Straight into the news in this week's podcast - a

0:48

trial of new mobile technology which can automatically detect

0:52

motorists who are not wearing a seatbelt or using mobile phones

0:57

while driving is being extended with police across the country

1:01

taking part. Matt Sims: Yes. Research shows that you are four times more

1:05

likely to be in a crash if you use your phone while driving and

1:09

twice as likely to die in a crash if you don't wear a

1:13

Keith Gooden: The plain fact of the matter is you shouldn't be

1:13

seatbelt. using your mobile phone when you're driving. It's against the

1:18

law. And you heard the stats there from Matt. It's not big

1:22

and it's not clever, but people still insist on doing it. And I

1:25

believe the police are using AI, artificial intelligence, in

1:29

order to de-blur pictures. I know there's certainly one on an

1:33

overbridge on the M5 between Exeter and Plymouth that does

1:36

just that. Matt Sims: I know it was on the local news last night that the

1:40

police were out in force in unmarked cars at a hotspot for

1:44

mobile phone use. I'm not quite sure why there is a hotspot for

1:46

mobile phones. Perhaps it was a commuter route. And they were

1:49

pulling lots of drivers who were on their phone whilst they were

1:52

driving at the wheel. So yes, just don't do it. We all know

1:56

not to do it. But it's too easy, isn't it? You shouldn't touch

1:58

the phone at all while you're driving. But the temptation is

2:01

always there - even to use your sat nav. Keith Gooden: You're right. I mean, people pick the phone up

2:05

and say, "I was looking at the the sat nav, officer!" But it

2:09

costs £5 to buy one of those little clamps that you can put

2:12

on the dashboard or windscreen in order to put the mobile phone

2:15

in there while you're using the satellite. Matt Sims: Better still, just hide it in the glove box and use

2:19

a hands free kit. Put it away. The call can wait. They'll ring

2:23

you back or you can ring them later. But it's easier said than

2:26

done, isn't it? I've done it. We've all done it. It's an

2:29

emergency moment. You need to take that call. It's too easily

2:33

done. But yes, the police are out to watch you.

2:36

Keith Gooden: When was the last time you turned off your mobile

2:38

phone - actually switched it off and then left it somewhere and

2:41

walked away from it? I don't mean turn it off when something

2:44

didn't work properly - turning it off and on again. Matt Sims: You don't mean a reboot.

2:48

Keith Gooden: Turned it off and left it behind.

2:50

Matt Sims: That's a really good question. Really good question.

2:53

Keith Gooden: It's ridiculous. We've become attached to these things.

2:56

Matt Sims: They're like a rite of passage. Mine's off now, as we record this. Maddie takes it off me. I'm not allowed it

3:02

anywhere on my person. So it is off right now. We are going up

3:06

to the Outer Hebrides. Did I tell you that? Keith Gooden: You did. Yes. You mentioned it more than once.

3:10

Matt Sims: And we will take phones with us, but they are

3:13

going to be switched off for periods of the trip. We just

3:16

need to disconnect. It's going to be good.

3:18

Keith Gooden: I just think... I once went years and years ago to

3:22

a business conference in Nashville in Tennessee.

3:26

Matt Sims: Mr Flash. I thought you were going to say Stroud.

3:29

Keith Gooden: Yee-ha! And there was one guy speaking there, and

3:33

he was talking about emails. And I think this applies to mobile

3:36

phones as well. And it was in the days when emails were really

3:38

taking off, you know, the late 1990s. He said, "Don't reply to

3:42

emails when they drop - just check them three times a day.

3:45

And if somebody rings you or stops you and says, 'Did you see

3:48

my email?' say 'No, I haven't read them yet.'" He said,

3:50

"People are shocked, but it works." And I think the same

3:54

goes for mobile phones. Let's leave them behind. We don't need

3:56

them all the time. I pick my phone up and the first thing I

3:59

do is check - "Oh, there's a little number one there. What

4:01

email have I got?" And it's something I don't need.

4:04

Matt Sims: Well, not in your retirement. Most things will

4:07

wait... including you!

4:09

Keith Gooden: Okay, so just be warned - the police are out. They're about and they're extending the long arm of the

4:14

law very soon. They're going to have a trained octopus by the

4:17

side of the road which actually reaches into your car window,

4:20

takes your wallet out, removes £20 and then lets you go on your

4:24

way. Matt Sims: It gives you a little tickle. Keith Gooden: Welcome to the 21st century.

4:27

Matt Sims: Progress, I call it. Keith Gooden: It's the product of the week time with

4:31

www.thatleisureshop.com. What have we got today? Matt Sims: You're going to love this, Keith. Ready? I'm going to

4:35

reach under the table. Brace yourself. Keith Gooden: I'm bracing myself. I'm clinging on. My

4:39

knuckles are white! Matt Sims: It's a collection of little brackets. Now, if you own

4:44

an Adria Twin, there's a sliding door on the side with a

4:47

flyscreen that regularly pops out of the bottom runner. We've

4:52

just taken delivery of hundreds of these, and this little

4:54

bracket screws onto that bottom runner and it will never come

4:59

off the track again. I speak from firsthand experience. We've

5:02

got one on our Adria Twin - an absolute must have.

5:05

Keith Gooden: So if you've got an Adria Twin and your flyscreen

5:08

is flapping around, this cures it once and for all!

5:13

Matt Sims: It does! Why don't Adria fit them from new? That's

5:15

the question. Keith Gooden: Don't tell them because... Matt Sims: Well, yes! We keep them in stock. We do send them

5:20

out by DHL. We've been chastised for that in the past, because

5:24

even at £8 we're not covering the cost of the shipping. But

5:27

they rarely lose them, whereas when we post them with our dear

5:30

old Royal Mail we've had loads go missing. So yes, if you've

5:33

got an Adria Twin or a Sun Living V Series van, you need

5:37

one of these. So go to www.thatleisureshop.com and

5:39

search for Adria Twin. You'll find all our spare parts for

5:42

Adria Twins on there. Keith Gooden: Fantastic. So that cures your flyscreen! It's the

5:46

Motorhome Matt podcast. I'm Keith Gooden.

5:48

Matt Sims: And I'm Motorhome Matt. Keith Gooden: It's all brought to you by

5:51

www.thatleisureshop.com. Let's talk about WIMS.

5:55

Matt Sims: Let's have a WIM, shall we? Keith Gooden: What's a WIM?

5:58

Matt Sims: So the WIM we're talking about today is the weight in motion sensor. Have you heard of these?

6:03

Keith Gooden: No, I never have. But I bet I've seen them.

6:05

Matt Sims: So they are designed to catch vehicles that are

6:07

travelling on the main road network overweight, and it's two

6:11

wires on the ground and a camera. And they will pick up

6:14

the vehicle registration and they will know the weight of it

6:17

and report you if you're running overweight. So they're aimed at

6:20

lorries. But to me, this could mean that motorhomers are at

6:25

risk if you're driving a fat motorhome. Sorry, an overweight

6:27

motorhome! Keith Gooden: So it's a question of enforcement. You shouldn't be

6:32

driving overloaded, but sometimes you might be. So this

6:37

is two wires on the ground. I always just thought they were

6:39

there with the box by the side of the road just to either count

6:42

the cars for the council or something.

6:45

Tim Booth: I know them exactly - lots of little WIMS. Yeah, the

6:45

Matt Sims: There are thousands of these bits of kit around. I

6:48

guess they've adopted it for this purpose. So they've been

6:51

used to count traffic in a lane, so how much traffic is moving in

6:54

or out of a road area, and also for speed. So they've been used

6:57

WIMS you're talking about are the weight in motion sensors.

6:58

to detect speed as well as the vehicles pass over them. But now

7:00

And I don't think people realise how clever a system it is and

7:01

they're being used to detect weight. So it's really clever. I

7:04

how easily they could fall, dare I say it, victim of that

7:04

wanted to find out a bit more about it. So at the recent show

7:08

in Birmingham, I spoke to our dear friend Tim Booth. Tim is

7:11

the leisure vehicles officer at the National Vehicle Crime

7:14

Intelligence Service. He's like a modern day Sherlock Holmes. So

7:18

if your caravan or motorhome is nicked, then it's probably going

7:21

to cross Tim's desk. And I asked him to explain a little bit more

7:25

about WIMS. particular system.

7:41

Matt Sims: So just explain for our listeners - how does it

7:44

work? Tim Booth: Right, WIMS is actually a weight in motion

7:47

sensor. Those are a bit more of a dinosaur. Remember that police

7:51

speed checks used to be two wires across the road. And the

7:54

speed when you went across them gave the speed and you may get a

7:56

ticket. Technology has moved on a lot. If you go through a lot

8:00

of the areas on the strategic road network now, you will see

8:04

two wires buried in the road, sometimes more than two. They

8:07

are not speed checks now. They are your WIMS system. And what

8:11

they can do is they can work out what the vehicle is that's just

8:15

gone over, check it against the DVLA record which tells them

8:18

what that vehicle should weigh. And if it's overweight, you may

8:22

then be issued a notice in the post for having contravened the

8:27

weight limit on your vehicle. Matt Sims: So inside those two wires are some sensors that are

8:32

actually weighing the vehicle as it crosses over them at 70 miles

8:36

Tim Booth: I'll not go into the detail of the tech of it because

8:36

an hour? I've not played with it. But what it does is it will tell the

8:43

system how much the vehicle weighed when it went over that

8:46

checkpoint in the road, signals the camera to take an image of

8:50

the vehicle registration number. If you look at your V5, you'll

8:54

see on that that all the weights are very clear as to what it

8:57

should be. If it's in excess of that, you may then be subject to

9:02

a penalty for enforcement. We've discussed at caravan shows

9:08

carrying out checks on leisure vehicles, particularly the M5,

9:12

which is a major route that we often manage. And the number of

9:15

overweight vehicles on there is quite significant. But it falls

9:18

into two categories. The southbound is people who are

9:22

taking their shopping from the Northeast on their holidays to

9:25

Cornwall and Devon. For some reason they don't believe

9:28

supermarkets have moved there yet. But we give them that

9:31

advice and ask them to support local industry. Northbound, we

9:35

find most vehicles are overweight because they've got

9:37

cases and cases of wine from France. So just in one location

9:42

and just across the motorway - very different demographic of

9:45

reason why the vehicles are overweight.

9:48

Matt Sims: Beer from the north, wine from the south, is that what you're saying?

9:50

Tim Booth: Something like that! And some of these are a tonne

9:53

overweight! Matt Sims: So the key thing with these WIMS is that they're

9:55

designed for HGVs. Are motorhomes being monitored?

9:59

Tim Booth: Definitively I can't say. I mean, they'd be very busy

10:01

with the HGV problem that's going through, but your larger

10:05

motorhomes, once the DVSA realises that conditions are not

10:09

being met, let's say, to comply with weight, they will see that

10:13

as something they need to enforce for the whole project,

10:17

which is of safer roads. Matt Sims: So as motorhome drivers, then, we could have our

10:21

weight monitored in motion by this system, and we would get a

10:26

fine in the post? Tim Booth: You'd get a notice through the post. And depending

10:30

on the percentage of overweight, they decide it's going to be a

10:33

fine or not. Because they will have a criteria they work to. As

10:37

I've said, the risk is not just about getting a ticket. The risk

10:40

is the dangers you creating for yourself by overloading a

10:43

vehicle that's not designed to carry that weight.

10:46

Matt Sims: Of course, absolutely. And the introduction

10:48

of this might be a reason why people start checking that. And

10:51

where are these WIMS? How can we find out where they are? Tim Booth: Like most speed cameras, if you go online and

10:56

look for planning applications, wherever they're put up, there

10:59

has to be an application for them to be installed. But if

11:02

you're a diligent motorist, when you're driving around, you'll

11:04

see them. Matt Sims: And there's an increasing number of them,

11:07

certainly around the M25. Tim Booth: M25 and the ferry routes. Well, I mean, obviously,

11:11

routes to ferries will be monitored because of the

11:15

significant damage overweight HGVs cause to our road

11:18

structure. You go into Europe and compare their roads and you

11:21

look at our roads. Our roads have been absolutely shattered

11:24

in places. They've got to do something about it. And that's a

11:26

way they can do it automatically. And they can find

11:29

the haulage operators for the significant overweights.

11:33

Keith Gooden: That's Tim Booth, the leisure vehicles officer at

11:36

NAVCIS, the National Vehicle Crime Intelligence Service.

11:41

Interesting what he's got to say there and how much technology is

11:46

in our everyday lives when we're driving. Matt Sims: Yeah, absolutely. You see all these cameras and

11:49

sensors at the side of the road. Well, if you see this kit, that

11:52

is what it is. So be mindful, if you are overweight, you could

11:56

get caught! Keith Gooden: No, not if you're overweight. If your motorhome is

12:01

overloaded! Matt Sims: But you could be the reason your motorhome is

12:04

overweight, Keith. Keith Gooden: Not if you're a bloater.

12:09

Matt Sims: Fat motorhome. Keith Gooden: "Does my bum look big in this?" It's not about

12:13

you. Matt Sims: "Does my bumper look big in this?"

12:16

Keith Gooden: So how's this going to affect us realistically

12:19

Matt Sims: If you are driving over the permissible weight of

12:19

for motorhomers? your motorhome, the gross weight, you could get caught on

12:24

one of these cameras. Yes, as Tim says, they are aimed at HGV

12:28

lorry drivers, but there's no reason why the authorities

12:33

couldn't tune in to motorhomes, particularly on the ferry routes

12:36

or on tourism routes. We're an easy win, I think. And it's a

12:39

good revenue generator. So just be mindful. Know what your gross

12:43

weight is. If you're worried, go and weigh the motorhome.

12:46

Honestly, it costs a fiver. Go to a local weigh bridge and go

12:49

and get weighed and really understand what your front and

12:52

rear axle weights are and what your gross weight is. We talk

12:55

about it a lot, but it is important. Keith Gooden: It's easy for people who are new to the

12:59

pastime, isn't it, just not to think about it and get their

13:03

sums wrong. We're not saying that the police are coming after

13:06

motorhomers. Let's just be very clear on that. It is designed

13:09

for heavy goods vehicles. But Matt is saying that the

13:13

technology is now there. And you are subject to weight limits.

13:17

And it could be used to enforce those limits.

13:21

Matt Sims: It's all about your safety as well. So the heavier

13:24

you are, the longer the vehicle is going to take to stop. So

13:27

it's going to increase your stopping distance. So just be

13:30

mindful of that. You've got to take your safety seriously. So

13:34

not being overweight means you're going to stay safe and

13:37

stay on the right side of law as well. Keith Gooden: Not you being overweight!

13:41

Matt Sims: No, it's not a pro Weight Watchers podcast! Keith Gooden: Not you, podgy. Not you, fatty. I'm fat shaming

13:47

now! I'm not allowed to do that anymore, am I? You can't fat

13:51

shame me and go, "Oi, fatty!" Matt Sims: You've lost quite a lot of weight, though!

13:54

Keith Gooden: I have, yeah. Matt Sims: How did you do that? Keith Gooden: I'm starving because you don't pay me enough.

13:59

It's really quite simple! Matt Sims: I see.

14:01

Keith Gooden: Yes, it's under the stairs there. You know when you put you know when you push through the cheese on toast the

14:04

cheese all comes off the top and stays outside.

14:09

Matt Sims: That's why we call you Harry Potter. Keith Gooden: Cheesy Kevin. More about that a little bit later

14:16

on. It's the Motorhome Matt podcast. I'm Keith Gooden.

14:19

Matt Sims: And I'm Motorhome Matt. Keith Gooden: And it's brought to you by

14:22

www.thatleisureshop.com. It is time for some of our Q&A,

14:25

questions and answers. Neil is in York and he says, "Hi Matt.

14:28

I've been looking at buying some solar panels for our motorhome

14:31

as we want to stay off grid for longer. I've managed to upgrade

14:35

to a lithium battery. However, because it's a retrofit, the

14:39

solar panels have to fit around existing hardware on the roof. I

14:43

haven't been able to find any panels with a good wattage over

14:46

400 watts that fit the available space on the motorhome/van solar

14:52

websites. However, I have found panels on websites for

14:56

residential solar panels that are a perfect fit. Is there any

14:59

reason I can't use these panels on our motorhome? The

15:02

specification suggests it should be fine, including weight.

15:06

Thanks." And he's enjoying the podcast.

15:08

Matt Sims: This is right up your street, this one. You're solar panel fan, aren't you?

15:11

Keith Gooden: On the roof at home. Fantastic. Matt Sims: You're obsessed.

15:13

Keith Gooden: No, I wouldn't say obsessed! But yes, it's a

15:15

passing interest! Matt Sims: You're one of those people, aren't you? You're an

15:19

evangelist for solar at home. I love it. So you're absolutely

15:22

right, Neil. You could use these domestic solar panels on a

15:26

motorhome. There's no reason why not. The key considerations are

15:29

output, voltage and weight. And I've actually spoken to Neil in

15:34

a message since, and he's confirmed that the voltage

15:37

output is I think 48 volts. The weight was good as well. They're

15:41

made in Germany, not in China. We're seeing reports of an

15:45

increasing number of solar panels catching fire, which are

15:48

the cheap ones from China. They are just not made to the grade.

15:52

I did actually though, for your own peace of mind, check with an

15:55

expert at Bluefix - a chap called Mark. He's very helpful

15:58

and very, very knowledgeable about solar and lithium. And I

16:01

did check your question with Mark and he said the same - yes,

16:04

it'll be absolutely fine. Check the voltage and be mindful of

16:07

the weight. So, Neil, I'd say go for it. I can totally understand

16:10

the problem you're faced with trying to fit solar panels on a

16:13

roof. We've got the same problem, as I mentioned before,

16:16

on our Adria Twin. There isn't much room to put up a decent

16:19

sized solar panel. So I'm actually going to follow your

16:21

example, and thanks for the tip! I'm going to go and look at some

16:23

residential ones and see if I can get a bigger one that will

16:25

fill the space. Keith Gooden: I've got a question. Is the way they are

16:28

fixed any different if you buy ones which are specifically for

16:31

putting on vehicles rather than the ones for the houses?

16:34

Matt Sims: That's a good question. They could be. But as

16:36

long as they can be bonded onto the roof safely and use the

16:39

right cable gland through the roof so you're not going to

16:42

allow any water ingress, you'll be fine. Keith Gooden: If you're doing solar panel stuff and trying to

16:46

do it yourself, remember it's direct current. It's the one

16:49

that really can blow the top your head off, right?

16:52

Matt Sims: Yes, and if you're not sure, get them professionally installed. Definitely. Especially if you

16:56

start drilling the roof of your van. You can end up in a world

16:58

of pain with water ingress and all sorts, so if you're not

17:01

sure, get them professionally installed. Keith Gooden: Another question here from Malc in Lincoln. He

17:05

says, "Do you know of any insurance companies that cover

17:08

you for punctures, considering lots of motorhomes not having a

17:11

spare due to the weight? We're travelling around Europe for two

17:15

months and it's concerning us. We're presently with Caravan

17:17

Guard and they do not cover punctures. They do for recovery

17:22

to a local garage, though. The Again Partnership with Green

17:25

Flag would, but you have to take a separate policy for punctures.

17:29

I would have liked it all in one." To be honest with you, the

17:34

insurance companies decide what products they're going to sell

17:36

you. And if it's an add on, it's an add on. Matt Sims: Yes, absolutely. I don't know an answer to this

17:41

definitively, I'm afraid. We have a puncture or tyre policy

17:45

here for our hire business at Motorhome Holiday Company. And

17:50

it's a service from a tyre company that will come out and

17:53

respond to a puncture on any vehicle here owned by the

17:57

company. And they'll replace the tyre at the side of the road,

18:00

and I have to say, they're really quick. It is quite

18:02

expensive, but they are really good. 24/7 cover. You'll

18:06

remember a little while ago, I waited 15 hours for the

18:09

breakdown service to come out to me. I've never had an experience

18:12

like that with them. They are really, really good. So I think

18:15

if you find a policy that will cover it, that's going to be

18:18

your option. You're quite right, I did check Caravan Guard, they

18:21

don't offer this as a bolt on. So I think you are going to have

18:25

it as an extra policy that you have to pay for. I don't

18:28

actually know anyone who's ever asked for a service like this.

18:31

Interesting question. Keith Gooden: That hadn't even crossed my mind. I mean, when

18:34

you get a puncture, you either put on a spare to get you home

18:37

or one of those aerosol cans which fill the punctured tyre

18:42

with with some sort of funny, hard substance.

18:45

Keith Gooden: You should move. You're neighbours with that nail

18:45

Matt Sims: I wonder if with such a policy there's a cap on how

18:48

many times you can claim. So I've just lent our VW T6 to a

18:51

colleague to move house. He said, "I'll look after it." I

18:55

said, "Yeah, please do. I know you will. It's our family car."

18:58

20 minutes later he rings. "Matt, I've got a problem." He'd

19:02

driven through a pothole, ripped the front tyre off and ruined

19:06

the alloy. Cracked it! A right mess! So the spare wheel goes

19:09

on. I've just had to buy a new front alloy and new tyre. I

19:13

bought two tyres for the front because they were both actually

19:13

factory, aren't you?

19:16

Matt Sims: I reckon there's a neighbour throwing screws into getting quite low. And then in waiting for the alloy wheel to

19:17

the road. I think I've upset someone. I couldn't believe it.

19:20

arrive, I get a puncture in my spare! Unbelievable! And then -

19:23

true story - on the way to get the alloy wheel fitted and the

19:24

Honestly, potholes and nails in the road. Hate them. Potholes

19:27

brand new tyre put on it, I get a puncture in the other tyre on

19:31

the front! Blooming brand new! around us are terrible at the moment. But that's why this WIMS

19:49

thing actually is quite topical, because the haulage firms that

19:53

are overweight are part of the problem causing all these

19:56

potholes. And the local authorities are actually billing

19:59

the haulage companies for repairs to the road.

20:01

Matt Sims: What a great review. Are you sure you're listening to

20:01

Keith Gooden: Review! @mallard126 says, "As new owners

20:04

of a motorhome, we found these podcasts excellent. They're

20:08

the right podcast? extremely professional, loads of useful information and are

20:09

Keith Gooden: I'll carry on. "The banter and friendlessness

20:11

between Matt and Kevin..." Kevin! "Works so well and makes

20:12

presented in a wonderful light hearted style."

20:16

the episodes entertaining as well as informative."

20:19

The banter and friendless. Let's stop there for a minute. The

20:22

friendlessness? Between Matt and Kevin! Matt Sims: Who's Kevin?! @mallard126, we think we know

20:31

what you meant! The friendliness, and Matt and

20:35

Chris. Keith Gooden: That's the one. Thanks a lot for that particular

20:47

review. And by the way, you know, we want you to record some

20:52

questions but we want to hear your voice. Now, when you go

20:54

online and do it, don't worry about it. You can redo it. You

20:57

can do two or three versions. If you um and er in the middle or

20:59

leave gaps we can close it up and edit it for you, but we

21:02

really do want to hear your voice. Go online. We're going to

21:05

give you the address in just a moment's time. Record your

21:08

question. We'll do the rest for you and you will be a star here

21:12

on the Motorhome Matt podcast with Kevin and Chris.

21:17

Matt Sims: Kevin and Chris. You can join the friendlessness.

21:19

Keith Gooden: You can! So if you want to leave us a review, what

21:22

do they do they do, Matt? Matt Sims: To leave a review, go to mhmp.info/review. To ask a

21:28

question... Keith Gooden: mhmp.info/askmatt. That's one word, askmatt. MHMP -

21:35

Motorhome Matt podcast. That's the easy way to remember it. And

21:38

you can subscribe on YouTube!

21:40

Matt Sims: Make sure you do! Hit the subscribe button, hit the little thumb and the bell, and the bell will tell you when a

21:46

new episode is released. And our YouTube channel is sponsored by

21:49

www.arobasecreative.co.uk. Keith Gooden: Kevin and Chris, you can come out of the cupboard

21:53

right now. Matt Sims: He's under the stairs.

21:56

Keith Gooden: With his cheese on toast. Matt Sims: With his cheeseless toast!

22:02

Keith Gooden: Thanks for listening to the Motorhome Matt podcast. Remember to check back here for more episodes full of

22:07

hints and tips and helpful advice. We'll see you soon for

22:10

another Motorhome Matt podcast brought to you with

22:14

www.thatleisureshop.com.