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Welcome to Movie Crush, a production

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of I Heart Radio. Hey

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everybody, and welcome to the Movie Crush Friday

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Interview Edition. I'm sitting here

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with the wonderful Annie Reese,

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fellow colleague, fellow podcaster. How

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you doing any I'm doing well. How

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are you during check? I'm great? Yeah.

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You guys know Anye from the Slasher Roundtable

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episodes. Uh, you educated

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us on the Final Girl, or at least

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me everyone else? Probably right?

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Did you continue? I thought about

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that later? Did you continue your watching

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a slasher movie little bit? I watched Black Christmas

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after we recorded, which I

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loved. Yeah, it's great, It's it's

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intense. Yeah, um

1:09

yeah. And I think I said this U on

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one of the other shows, the

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the Heavy Breather Call

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or whatever. Yeah, I got really pretty extreme.

1:18

It really did. It was upsetting.

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I thought it was just gonna be like, what are you doing? What

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are you wearing? And it was like really

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ugly? It did? It makes you

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feel unsettled

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chriss inside, I guess, yeah, and especially

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for the time I thought, Man, I'm surprised it

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kind of went that far right. Oh

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yeah, yeah, I had that that too, because

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I feel like our movies, these days are more violent

1:41

often, but seeing that I

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had a moment of wow. And

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then also and you made the Christmas story

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because it is the same guy. Yeah,

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interesting tensions around Christmas,

1:54

I suppose. Yeah, it's a really weird

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one two punch. Um.

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So Annie, first of all,

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we might as well go and plug some stuff that you're in.

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Yeah, right off the bat. Uh,

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you are a co host of Saber, yes,

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with Lauren here in the office. For

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people that don't know what Saber is all about,

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why don't you give them a little tour a

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tour? Uh. Well, we

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talked about all things food and drink,

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science, history, culture, and

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sometimes we're fortunate enough to travel. Yeah,

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what are some of your cooler trips? We just

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did Hawaii. Yeah, or

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in the middle of that mini series right now, talk

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about spam. We have talked about

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spam. But you know, the interesting thing about Hawaii is

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their cultural cuisine has

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such a footprint that a lot of the foods

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that you would think of when you think of why we had already

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covered before we ever went to Hawaii. Really, so

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we've already done spam and pineapple tie.

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Um. But there's plenty of

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things to talk about when it comes to why like coffee,

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which was a huge oh yeah tone of

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coffee. Yes, so

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that was really fun. We've done Asheville and New Orleans,

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but so cool. New Orleans

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is great, like one of the cities

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that, maybe

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more so than any other American city, feels

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so uniquely it's self.

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It's not likely anywhere else. Right, it has

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a distinct presence. Yeah, it

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feels very European and sort of spooky.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, any movie

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or shows that New Orleans automatically has

3:22

this kind of vibe with it. You feel it

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walking around, Yeah, Like it feels like

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a city of ghosts. And I don't even believe in ghosts. Yeah,

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I know, I'm in the same way. I took all

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these ghost tours and like, I don't believe it, but I

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feel something exactly.

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The hair on the back of my neck says otherwise. Um,

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where can they find savor? Like what days

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of the week you guys published? We do, um,

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Wednesday, Friday and the occasional odd

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hair Saturday published. If

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we have content that we think, we've

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got to get this out there. Um, and you

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can find us wherever you find your

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podcasts, right, yes, And how are

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things going over it? Stuff? Mom never told

3:59

you. Well, there's no shortage of things

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to talk about over there. Yeah, really yeah,

4:04

surprise, surprise. Um.

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And for people who listen to this show,

4:09

there are certainly a lot of topics we do, Like

4:11

we did the feminism of alien. Yeah, I need

4:13

to listen to that one. Oh, I could have gone

4:15

on and on. I gotta check that out. I

4:18

had been waiting ever since I started

4:20

on that show to talk about that, And finally

4:23

it was the forty anniversaries. It's perfect.

4:26

It was there and luckily

4:28

everyone indulged me. And who all

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was on that? Did you have special guests or was it just

4:33

it was pretty much just me? Like and another

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thing, Well, my co

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host was like nodding patiently. Right.

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Interesting. That's

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cool that that show has has gone through a lot of

4:44

changes over the years with

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with hosts our old friend

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Kristen and Caroline. Of

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course, it's such a great job. But

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I think you'll are doing a wonderful work over

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there and like keeping the spirit alive.

4:57

Yeah, thank you. It's an important time for

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show like this. Oh my gosh, it it

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really is. Um. There's all this talk about the Equal

5:04

Rights Amendment right now, so that's what I'm

5:06

researching and political scandal and how

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it's different for men and women. Is

5:10

it it is? Are

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you saying there's a double standard. I

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know it's shocking, isn't it? It is shocking.

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Uh. And I also want to talk really quickly

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before we get going on Spider

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Man into the Spider Verse. I'm so

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excited. I

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want to talk about Annie in the City.

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We talked to Paul and I'm trying to remember this

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may come out actually before the Lighthouse

5:35

round table we just did. But any in

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the City is a movie that you start

5:39

in and co wrote with Paul

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here, who's been on the show a bunch. Casey

5:44

was a cinematographer. Uh,

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there's you know, our offices

5:48

are make appearance, other co workers

5:50

make appearances, and I

5:52

need to watch the whole thing. But when

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I got the email the other day that Paul

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said it was on Amazon Prime, I knew

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I had to leave soon and I was like, I gotta at least

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get a sense of it. So I immediately hit play

6:03

on my laptop and watched like fifteen minutes

6:05

for I to go, and I loved what I saw and I can't

6:08

wait to see the rest of it. Yeah, they as

6:10

you know, those are coworkers do fantastic

6:13

jobs. And when I saw it, I was like,

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I knew it was going to be great, but just the

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the work they put in and the attention to detail

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was amazing. Yeah.

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So what's what's the movie about? Give your summation.

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Um, it's about somebody

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and this was a really odd part of that movie was playing

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me but not quite me. So

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it's about a young woman in the city

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in Atlanta, specifically Atlanta is a very important

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part of the story. Yeah,

6:41

Um, just trying to find

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any sort of meaning or direction

6:46

or connections. Yeah, kind

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of feeling isolated,

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and part of that is how

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our world works now, but also part of

6:56

it is her specifically and

6:58

just trying to find

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any sort of direction,

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I guess. Yeah. Um, you

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know she's got the mom character being like, you've gotta

7:10

put yourself out there. I

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am out there. Um.

7:15

Yeah, it's the world we

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live in, and I know a lot of what

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is that called, um gentrification?

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Yes, yeah, look at that happening

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alongside her story. Right. Well,

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it's a N N E Y in

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the city. You can get on Amazon Prime

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for free. I think you can rent it for a couple of

7:35

bucks and hats

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off to you guys. It's just, you know, it's

7:40

really easy to talk about doing

7:43

projects. Making a movie

7:45

is certainly at the

7:47

the big end of the project spectrum.

7:49

It's very hard to do, very

7:52

hard to see it through and everyone

7:55

everyone did it. You know. It's

7:58

it's not easy now.

8:01

It was, and you know, we were doing it outside of

8:04

our day job, as it were, And

8:07

just to see the planning that went

8:09

into it and the dedication of everybody

8:11

to make it happy, I know, and I can't,

8:13

Like, I have to admit I kept waiting for

8:16

the update of you know, man, we kind

8:19

of quit doing and we kind of scrapped it, but like,

8:21

everyone saw it through. Yeah, I've been on

8:23

so many projects that have done that. Yeah, it's really easy

8:25

to let happen. A week or two goes by,

8:28

you lose some enthusiasm. So

8:30

I think credit to all of you for for keeping

8:32

that fire burning and like and finishing

8:35

and getting a movie distributed. Yeah.

8:37

Yeah, it was really cool to see it in theaters.

8:40

We played it at a local theater. I was so mad. I was out

8:42

of town. I wanted to go see it at the plaza. It was

8:44

cool. That was a lot of fun. Huh yeah. Yeah, and a

8:46

lot of our co workers with the audience, so it was a good

8:48

audience. Yeah. That's a nerve wracking too

8:50

though, right. I sat in the very

8:52

back and like hunched at the bottom. Yeah.

8:56

I used to occasionally when I made short films back

8:58

in the day, we'd have these screenings around Atlanta. Then

9:00

I would just be a wreck, a

9:03

nervous wreck. Yeah. Pol texted

9:05

me and he said, you know, are you coming, And

9:08

I said, yes, I'm

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just gonna be kind of absent in the back,

9:13

but I'll be there. Yeah. That's a good feeling

9:15

though. It's fun. Yeah, it was really fun. Um

9:18

and a lot of our coworkers have cameos that were fantastic,

9:20

including producer Ramsey. There

9:22

he is, he just woke up, all

9:33

right. So let's talk about Spider Man into the

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Spider Verse. Uh boy, I'm

9:37

glad you picked this because it

9:40

allowed me to watch it again, Like it gave me

9:42

a good reason to watch it again. And I think

9:44

I realized this is it

9:48

may be my favorite superhero movie of

9:50

all time. Me too, me too.

9:53

I gets right up there. And

9:55

and the fact that it's animated, it

9:58

is not like a disqualifier like it on you have to

10:00

put it in its own thing and say, well, this is an animated

10:02

one compared to like live action. It's

10:05

so good, it's excellent.

10:08

Um. And thanks again

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to producer Ramsey, who I was so struggling

10:13

so much with this decision and he

10:15

just pick yeah, and he sort

10:17

of just said to the point, you should

10:19

do Spider Man at the Spider Verse because you saw it

10:21

like five times. Really, what

10:24

was what else was on the list? I know Alien was

10:26

Alien? Um.

10:29

I had a bunch of I have when

10:31

it comes to favorites, I have my favorite

10:34

you know MCU movie, and my favorite Star Wars movie,

10:36

my favorite dramatic be my favorite comedy movie.

10:39

So it's trust me. I know it's a very

10:41

unfair thing to say, what's your all time favorite movie.

10:43

That's part of the fun of my side of this, Yes,

10:45

exactly, and see people squirm to struggle

10:48

so hard. But I

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thought this was a great one because I

10:52

walked into this movie. I'm a huge

10:54

superhero fan. First of all, I grew

10:57

up reading comics, um,

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but Spider Man was never my thing. Um.

11:03

I did watch the cartoon, but that's because

11:05

my brother did. And in

11:08

the past a decade or so before

11:10

the most recent MCU Spider Man

11:12

came out, we've had six Spider Man movies,

11:15

like rebooted, two different, three

11:18

different dudes, and so I

11:21

I didn't even have plans to see this movie.

11:23

Did you see all those movies? And

11:25

what? What are your thoughts on the three dudes ranked them

11:27

in order? Okay,

11:30

Tom Holland he's so great. He's

11:33

great. He's really nailed it. He's great. That the

11:35

scene in the Homecoming where you

11:37

just remember how young he is, he gets kind of choked

11:39

up. He's trying to convince some selfie Spider Man. Yeah,

11:43

yeah, he's number one. And I guess Tobey

11:45

maguire, yeah. Andrew Garfield,

11:47

Yeah, poor Andrew Garfield. Yeah. Just

11:50

movies weren't great, No, they

11:53

really weren'd. Um.

11:55

And I was just thinking the other day about how the first Spider

11:58

Man with Sam Ramy and Toby Inquired, that

12:00

came out right after September eleventh, and

12:03

there's the Twin Towers and that one shot

12:05

with the right between it and

12:07

I the song at the end. People were just

12:09

crying. Um, this was

12:11

such a big cultural moment. Yeah,

12:13

I mean I love those Toby McGuire movies

12:16

the third and wasn't great. Liked

12:18

one I love too. I thought two was

12:20

the best UM with Alpha

12:22

Molina as do Cock. But I have to

12:24

say this version of dot Cock is

12:27

my favorite. Yes, yes,

12:30

And that's something I kind of

12:32

love. But I know some people don't like. Is that we

12:34

have this cultural understanding of these characters.

12:36

Generally people know dot

12:39

Cock, maybe that's all you know, but Spider Man dot

12:41

Cock. So I love

12:43

when UM creators can play

12:45

with a trope or expectation because they

12:47

know, we're thinking of this one thing of this character we

12:50

love, but what

12:52

if we saw it, imagine in this other way,

12:54

and how could it look and still be respectful

12:57

and be that character and frightening and intimidating.

12:59

She was such a badass and very

13:02

like scary, and you

13:04

know when she morphs and puts on the goggles

13:06

and the hair goes up and the

13:08

just the character itself with with all

13:10

the uh, the tentacles, UM,

13:13

it allows you to do so much with

13:16

you know, using them as legs and arms

13:18

and also weapons. It's just like it's

13:21

such a palette to work from. Yeah,

13:23

and a lot of criticisms of previous Spider

13:25

man movies have been there's too many villains

13:27

focused on one villain, but I thought this was a

13:29

great You've got Fisk who

13:32

is dominating the screen, just this

13:34

big black hole, and then you

13:36

have her and I felt like they were both excellent

13:39

villains. Yeah, there's a lot of

13:41

I mean there's green Goblin is in this this

13:44

weird like badass version. Uh,

13:47

there's Scorpion. There's a

13:49

Prowler who was super scary

13:52

in this movie. Yeah. And um, one

13:54

of the things I love about this movie is the soundtrack and score.

13:57

And he has a great score cues.

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Yeah that I love when they're later

14:02

adapted into Miles this theme and

14:05

then it just shows with

14:07

music that this is his origin

14:09

story. His uncle is a part of his origin story.

14:11

Yeah. Uh,

14:14

you have Kingpin, yes, of course. Yes.

14:16

I think Leo Schreiber's the voice. Yeah,

14:18

and I think he said he's stuffed tissues

14:20

in his mouth to make it sound like he'd had

14:22

his nose broken several times.

14:25

All right, Yeah, Yeah, I

14:28

love the second he walked

14:30

on screening and his shoulders take

14:32

up the whole thing and it could look silly, but

14:35

it just looks so great.

14:37

Yeah, let's talk a little bit. I mean, we're

14:39

gonna talk about the visuals throughout because

14:42

it's just off

14:44

the charts, how amazing

14:46

this movie is visually. Yeah, and

14:49

the sound um directed by

14:51

Bob Purschetti, Peter Ramsey,

14:53

and Rodney Rothman from

14:55

a screenplay screenplay by the Great

14:57

Phil Lord and Rothman and

15:00

from Lord's story. And

15:03

I didn't know this because I was not

15:05

a comic book kid. Well I was.

15:07

It's embarrassing. And I've talked about this

15:09

before. I read Archie and Richie rich mainly,

15:12

and that was a great They were great.

15:15

I just I don't know why I never got

15:17

into no one ever exposed me to

15:19

it. I guess superhero comics, because

15:21

I'm sure I would have loved it. But long

15:23

way of saying, I really don't know much about

15:25

this backstory. And so I read

15:28

up about Miles, uh, the

15:30

character of Miles, and uh, it was

15:32

created in two thousand eleven.

15:34

You probably know all this stuff um by

15:36

Brian Michael Bindis and then an artist

15:39

named Sarah Picelli, an Italian

15:42

artist, and she was

15:44

the first to illustrate Miles Morales in

15:46

the Ultimate Spider Man. And

15:48

uh, you know, diversity

15:51

and inclusivity is so important,

15:55

and um, we're seeing so much of

15:57

that now, which is great, but you

16:00

can't overstate how important

16:02

that is to a kid and a kid

16:05

a person of color to see that

16:08

representation on screen and

16:11

to get their own heroes. Yeah, we

16:14

talk big, Absolutely, We talked

16:16

about that all the time on spenty. The power

16:18

of seeing yourself. Yeah, and

16:20

it's something that I hadn't even realized

16:23

as a woman. Um,

16:26

this is embarrassing, but I love

16:28

being on a feminist show because everyone asked,

16:30

what's your take on this? Go see this movie? Tell me

16:33

what your take is. And everyone was telling you

16:35

gotta go see Wonder Woman, and

16:37

uh, you know, I cried and all this

16:39

stuff, and I'm like, wow, I'm not gonna cry. And

16:41

I got teared up in the first time to Wonder

16:44

Woman. Yeah, just because it was all these strong women

16:46

that wasn't focused on their looks and that's all it took.

16:48

I get teared up and stuff like this as a

16:50

white man because it's I know what

16:53

a big deal it is. And I'm an EmPATH, so

16:56

like I think about a little you

16:58

know, African American boy report Ri

17:00

because I think the character is

17:02

is a mixed race inter seeing a

17:04

mixed race character is new and unique,

17:06

and they switch back and forth in Spanish

17:09

and English. Yes, and I just I

17:11

just picture these little kids watching this stuff, and like,

17:13

I get choked up because it's a big

17:15

deal. People that don't think it matters

17:17

are wrong, absolutely

17:19

wrong. Yeah, and I love that. Sometimes it can feel

17:22

really forced right

17:24

now, unfortunately, but this didn't

17:26

feel that at all. It was just so naturally

17:28

done, beautiful. And

17:30

Miles is such a great character. He's

17:33

just such a It's interesting

17:35

because I thought, as um

17:37

compared to like Peter Parker, Miles

17:41

is way cooler, but he's

17:43

still like they didn't make him like a ladies

17:46

man or like he's cool, but he's

17:48

still sort of an outcast

17:50

in a way. And he's still nervous,

17:53

which is an important trade, I think. Yeah.

17:56

I think one of the writers described it as the

17:58

sweetest swagger you. Yeah,

18:01

that is totally it. Yeah, a little

18:03

bit of swagger, but just adorable.

18:06

Yeah. And his family is just great.

18:08

Yes, That's one of the things I love about this movie is because

18:11

comic books notoriously no

18:14

parents around or whatever, but

18:16

he has a really good family

18:19

unit, and family is a huge part of the

18:21

story and his story specifically, so

18:23

it was refreshing to see something

18:26

different than we all

18:28

know Peter Parker's origin story. I kind of love

18:31

that that took a back seat and this was a

18:33

different, totally different story.

18:35

Yeah. I love how they played with the origin

18:38

story thing, because you know, they're

18:40

always complaints like do we need to see another Spiderman

18:42

origin story? So they just did, like every

18:45

character got their own with that little

18:47

refrain of well, let me tell you about it. My name

18:49

is you know, Gwen Staates. Yeah,

18:52

it's so fun, and just said they had such a

18:54

sense of humor about it, and

18:56

this one the best animated feature the Oscars

18:59

And I'm sure you, like

19:01

everyone else and me when that

19:04

category came up, and you know, it's Pixar's

19:06

The Behemoth, and everyone's

19:08

just like, please just give it to Spider Verse.

19:11

Clearly the best movie, and it

19:13

felt like a It sounds so corny, but it

19:16

felt like a win for like all of us. It

19:18

did because it was against Incredibles

19:20

too, which was also pretty

19:22

good. Great movie. Um,

19:25

this is the first non Disney Pixar

19:27

film UH to

19:30

win that award win against

19:33

a Pixar film since two

19:35

thousand six. Ww

19:37

So like, that's how much Pixar Disney dominates

19:40

that category. It's crazy.

19:43

Yeah. Um, and it from

19:45

the opening credits, because again

19:47

I went into this movie completely jaded and thinking,

19:51

Okay, Uh, it's

19:53

just the way it starts and it zooms in

19:55

through the Sony logo and

19:57

you're it's like you're entering another dimension. And

20:00

even though it's just the opening credits

20:03

something, my brain was already like, oh,

20:05

this is gonna be well. The Universal

20:08

Pictures lady to that

20:10

and it does that that skitsy

20:12

uh thing. And yeah, as

20:14

soon as I had the same reaction because

20:16

I didn't know much about this movie and I wasn't primed

20:19

to see it, but after the

20:21

buzz came out, I was like, oh,

20:24

well, I guess I do need to see this, and

20:26

they do. They set the tone so early, like

20:28

this is something that you've never seen before. Yeah.

20:31

And the art, which we've been talking about,

20:34

um, it was built specifically for

20:36

this movie. One of the refrains around uh

20:39

the animation of this movie was if it's not

20:42

broke, break it, because

20:44

they wanted it to look not like

20:46

a cartoon and not c g I,

20:49

but in between like a comic book has come

20:51

to life. Man, they nailed it. I would

20:53

dare anyone listening to this watch this movie,

20:55

freeze, frame it any second, and

20:58

it is a work of art. It's funny. I had

21:00

a note in here that says pause at

21:02

any point. Yes, And it looks it looks

21:05

like something that you would frame for your wall. Yes,

21:07

like literally any just randomly

21:10

close your eyes and you could frame

21:12

that as art. Absolutely. I did

21:14

it last time. I was watching it last night and I paused

21:16

a couple of times, and every time I

21:18

thought I would hang that up. Yeah,

21:21

that's great, Like one of the best looking films

21:23

I've ever seen. And they although

21:26

I wasn't prepared when I was in the theater that you

21:28

know, they have a lot of the a

21:30

lot of the dot work. What

21:33

is it called here? Because I don't know any

21:35

of because I'm not a comic book person, I know

21:37

none of these terms. So

21:39

a lot of people call it bend aid dots.

21:42

Yes, But what they were actually doing

21:45

was halftones with like cmy

21:47

K I think. And they were doing this

21:49

to create um their version

21:52

of focus and depth. So

21:54

a lot of people saw that and mistook it for bad

21:56

three D. That's what I thought. Yeah,

21:59

but I thought I was in the wrong theater house,

22:02

and I was like, did I is this because

22:04

it looks Yeah, it looked like three D with

22:07

your not wearing the glasses. Yeah. So I even

22:10

got up because I didn't

22:12

know. I didn't know,

22:14

I hadn't read anything, so I thought ship I walked

22:16

into the three D version and I

22:19

went out and I checked and it was not And

22:21

then I realized because the other

22:23

stuff was really sharp. It's like, okay,

22:26

this is a technique. Yeah, they're doing something

22:29

dumb shit now a lot of

22:31

people reacted that way. Um,

22:33

and it's also meant to mimic when

22:36

screen printing or printing for comic books. How the overlay

22:39

wooden match, so it's

22:41

another way of being more like

22:43

a comic book. And um,

22:47

they it gets worse, The effect

22:50

gets worse the more stressed

22:53

Miles is. So things come more into focus

22:55

when he's not stressed, and then the

22:57

background goes more out of focus when he is. Interesting.

23:00

Yeah, that has an overall effect on the viewer,

23:03

Yes, for sure. Um,

23:05

And I don't think you even realize it. It's like a subconscious

23:08

thing. Probably. Yeah. I didn't pick up on it

23:10

until I think someone said

23:13

it to me, but it's yes,

23:15

it's really apparent though once you pick

23:17

up on it. And another thing

23:19

they did is Miles is animated

23:22

at twelve frames per second

23:24

as opposed to the general frames,

23:28

so that that means that

23:30

his motion lingers longer

23:33

and there's no motion blur in this movie, right,

23:35

So that's also another way they used

23:37

to make it look more like comic art.

23:40

But also, um, there's

23:42

the scene where h Miles

23:45

and Peter B. Parker finally get on the same page

23:47

where they're swinging on webs together.

23:50

Miles gets up to frames per

23:52

second along with Peter B. Parker.

23:54

Oh really yeah? Interesting?

23:57

Yeah? Is that the scene through the forest? God,

24:00

it's such an exhilarating chase

24:02

because that's when uh when is

24:05

after them, and boy

24:07

it's tense. Yeah. Um, yes,

24:11

that's that's one of my favorite parts. This movie is a lot of great

24:14

humor and lines, and I

24:16

love a lot of the lines in that section.

24:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. Um.

24:21

The other term that I learned was Kirby

24:24

crackle, So explain

24:26

everyone what that is. So Jack Kirby

24:28

was a comic book artist, and Kirby

24:30

crackle was something that

24:33

he did very specific to

24:35

him that was meant to showcase

24:37

energy. Um. So sometimes

24:40

it's a it's kind of like a lightning golt thing, but a lot of times

24:42

it's these dots, like these blob

24:44

dots. So if you've seen into the Spider

24:46

Verse, you know, at the end of the movie or even the beginning anything

24:48

that's with that collider, there are all

24:50

these dots and those are called Kirby dots.

24:53

Yeah. And once you know what

24:55

it is, and uh notice

24:57

it, it's everywhere and it's

25:00

movie yeah to like great effect

25:02

almost like bubbles, yeah, kind

25:04

of like a little blobby

25:07

Yeah. And especially in the end,

25:09

that final sequence is just like an explosion,

25:12

yeah of Kirby crackle. Yeah.

25:14

And and something else that I love that they did

25:17

is there's seven different types of animation styles

25:20

that they built seven different cameras to

25:22

be able to project them all um

25:25

in one Yeah. So as

25:27

the other Spider people go home, this

25:29

Penny jumps in, hers goes away, and that color

25:32

goes away. And I'm also crying at

25:34

that scene.

25:34

Yes,

25:38

but until it's just Miles and

25:40

Kingpin and then the only colors are

25:42

red and black. Yeah, So

25:44

it says all the other people go their animation

25:47

styles go with them. Yeah, it was just so

25:49

it was just off the charts with the creativity

25:52

and the the intent Like

25:55

it wasn't. It's just

25:57

clear there was so much thought put into every

26:00

single like drawing of

26:02

this movie. Yeah, and they those

26:05

systems that they broke, um, one

26:07

of them. They basically

26:09

had puppets, these three D

26:12

puppets of characters that they could then draw

26:14

on and that's why if you look at the character's

26:16

faces you can see line work that people

26:19

drew onto that. Yeah,

26:22

and um, because of that, they had

26:24

to recreate.

26:27

There are certain systems and c g I you can just use

26:29

for clothing and light and shadow.

26:31

They had to recreate all of that, just like

26:33

prefab Yeah. Interest

26:36

and they used about three times as many

26:39

animators as you generally would use,

26:41

so I think it was a hundred and seventy seven

26:44

and just to animate one

26:46

second took a week. Yeah.

26:49

Man, Yeah, that's intimidating.

26:52

It is, it is, but it really shows every

26:56

frame in the movie is

26:59

stimulating. It's just constantly stimulating

27:01

and really beautiful and at the same time, I know

27:04

some criticism of it has

27:06

been that it overshadows everything else, but

27:08

I never felt that way at all. I don't think

27:10

so at all. This is like hand and glove.

27:13

Yeah, it fit with the music. And this

27:15

has you know, a very modern, h

27:18

modern taking you know, on the score in the popular

27:21

music that they used. It just it

27:23

breathed life into I mean, Tom

27:25

Holland has done great. So it's not like Spider

27:27

Man is d o A or anything, but it just

27:30

breathed such life into this franchise.

27:32

And I can't wait to see more of this stuff,

27:35

I know. Yeah, I mean the sequel I think is two.

27:38

They have it slated for. Yeah, I

27:41

mean hopefully now that they've invented all this stuff,

27:44

it won't be quite as difficult for them. Yeah,

27:46

that's a good point. Yeah,

27:48

I just I had no idea what I was in for, and

27:52

this is a movie that exists in two levels.

27:54

Is one the the

27:56

first time viewing, it's one of those that you wish you could

27:58

go back and see it for the first time m again because

28:01

it was just so revolutionary and mind blowing. But

28:03

it's also a movie that you can't wait to see over

28:05

and over. Like I get that you saw

28:07

it five times in the theater. Yeah. If I

28:09

was young and single, I would have seen it five times in the theater

28:12

and I had no child, but I've seen it

28:14

like three times now because I saw it again

28:16

at home. I tried to show it to my

28:18

daughter, but it got a little too intense. I kind of forgot.

28:21

It's a little much for a four year old. Yeah, so

28:24

that's on hold for a couple of more years. But

28:28

watch. I mean, I had so much fun watching again the

28:30

other night. You can you can

28:32

see this movie twenty times and still see

28:34

new stuff. Yeah, you know. Yeah.

28:36

And when I was researching for

28:39

this, uh, so many things

28:41

I ran into. I've

28:43

seen this movie several several several times

28:45

now I had noticed I hadn't picked up

28:47

on Yeah. Um, and it is the only

28:49

movie I've ever bought. As I walked out of

28:52

a movie theater, I went online and pre ordered it.

28:54

Oh really, yeah, that's great.

28:56

I knew I had to have it. I knew it. Yeah,

29:00

yeah, um, the I love

29:02

it in the beginning, Um, when he's there

29:04

doing the voice over, seeing and it's

29:06

only a couple of minutes, but seeing the moments

29:09

from the other Spider Man movies and seeing

29:11

them animated and the style was so cool. Yeah.

29:13

I think that's One of the things that I love

29:16

the most about this is it

29:19

feels really genuine, like the

29:21

creators loves the

29:24

source material and they

29:26

were there with us fans who saw Spider

29:29

Man three and wondered

29:31

why this, what's happening? Um?

29:33

And so to see that right in the beginning of recognition

29:36

of yeah, there's been some bad

29:39

moments, it's pretty cool.

29:41

Yeah, to have fun with it, to recognize

29:44

it, acknowledge that it happened,

29:46

and it was kind of funny now looking back, Yeah,

29:48

it was. It was great. Um. And the movie,

29:51

like again, is off

29:53

the charts visually and with the sound, and

29:56

uh, it could have survived on

29:58

that merit alone. But the

30:00

story is so great, Like

30:03

at the heart of this thing, strip all of that away.

30:06

You have really a really, really great story

30:09

with did the classic heroes

30:11

journey and clear steaks

30:14

and like real emotional steaks,

30:16

like you're so invested in this kid.

30:19

Yeah, and and all of the Spider people that

30:22

we eventually meet, which I can't wait to talk about,

30:24

I know. Yeah, that's one

30:26

thing I too went into this movie. I've

30:28

seen the trailer, but that was about it. And I have

30:30

familiarity with a lot of the Spider

30:33

Man, Spider people, but just

30:36

passing. So

30:38

I didn't know that Chris

30:42

Pine the perfect Spider Man. I didn't

30:44

know he died. I didn't know he was going to die. I

30:46

didn't either, So that moment was shocking

30:48

too. Yeah, and he's so brutal

30:51

and just over and um,

30:54

he is trying to pass on this. Here's

30:57

how to be a Spider Man. Here are the key things right before

31:00

dies to Miles, and that is so powerful

31:03

and then Myles trying to live up

31:05

to that. The rest of the movie kind of

31:08

perfect idealized. Yea

31:10

spider Man. Yeah, I mean miles journey,

31:13

his hero's journey is so satisfying,

31:17

like the payoff in

31:19

the end when he finally comes into his own because

31:22

you know, they dole it out in a little bits. You know, he learns

31:24

a little bit how to swing, he learns

31:26

how to do this. He's he's all

31:29

the funny bits with he you know, he can't unstick

31:31

his hands, and he can't turn invisible

31:33

on purpose, and he can't do it

31:35

on commands. Such a funny moment.

31:39

Who's that guy, the actor Johnson?

31:42

Yeah, he's I don't never watched that show

31:44

that he was on. But he's

31:46

really funny. He's hilarious. I

31:48

wasn't that familiar with him either, but I

31:51

I loved him. And again, I didn't know Chris Pine died,

31:54

so I thought they were the same actor

31:57

at first, and it took a while for

31:59

me to really, Oh, no, that's a different person. It's

32:01

just I mean, you have to think your way through this movie. It's

32:04

not like, um, it's not that

32:06

complex to where you can't figure

32:09

it out, but like you gotta have your your brain

32:11

on. Yeah, there's

32:13

a lot going on. Yeah. One of the

32:15

things I noticed later

32:17

when people were like, oh, this is why this movie

32:19

is so great if you pay attention, they're all

32:22

these clues that Miles exists

32:24

in a world that is not our world. So

32:27

there's the sequel to Shaun of the Dead. You

32:29

can see a poster for that. The unmade

32:31

sequel or Nick Kroll and John

32:33

Moulaney's play is called high Hello

32:36

instead of oh Hello. Yeah, I've got a

32:38

bit that's during the time square. Yeah.

32:40

Yeah, there's a bunch of funny little easter eggs

32:43

that I paused. The Seth Rogan movie.

32:45

Yes, Um, what's it called? Where

32:47

is it? Uh?

32:50

Seth Rogan hold your horses riding

32:54

high in the saddle is the tag love

32:57

it? There's Redman Group instead of Blue Man

32:59

Group from Dusk

33:02

Till Sean. I guess that's when you were talking about

33:04

there's a Bridesmaid sequel. Did you catch that? Oh

33:06

yeah, it's like about baby Baby Baby shower. Yeah.

33:11

The month is like Decemberary. Yeah.

33:14

And then Clone College

33:16

with Abe Lincoln and John Kennedy one

33:21

of the movies. It's fun to pause on that

33:23

part and just sort of the other good pauseworthy

33:25

part is when when the dad

33:28

is scrolling through his phone contact

33:30

list because I don't know, I'm

33:32

sure all of those people are someone they're

33:35

comic book people. Yeah, Okay, I figured

33:37

because I saw Jack Kirby or

33:39

maybe it was Ditko or maybe

33:41

both in there. Yeah, and I just had I was like, I'm

33:43

sure the rest of those people are comic book artists

33:45

or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just that attention

33:48

to detail is it's fun, fantastic

33:51

um in comic book learns. I'm sure that's

33:53

just like yeah, the

33:56

chart. Yeah. I I saw

33:58

this movie for the first time with my parents. And

34:01

another criticism I've seen is if you don't know anything

34:03

about Spider man, this movie isn't for

34:06

you, but they loved it. They were actually more confused

34:08

by wreck It Ralph two, which

34:11

is all about internet culture. Okay,

34:14

so after see that one. I mean it's

34:16

fun, but they didn't get like

34:18

the viral video or me.

34:22

Yeah, just internet website. But

34:25

yeah, BackRub is what Google is called. In Miles

34:28

is universe. What's it called BackRub?

34:30

Really? Yeah? Yeah?

34:35

Um that Peter B. Parker I believe

34:37

is from or six

34:39

one six, which is our universe. I think so. So

34:41

Peter B. Was the chubby

34:44

second guy, yes that

34:47

burnt out. Yeah,

34:50

and again that that really lends itself to a great

34:52

character arc and storyline because

34:55

everyone in this movie has steaks. Yeah,

34:58

you know, it's not just Miles a story. It

35:01

is his story, but it's also Peter B.

35:03

Parker's story. Yeah. And I

35:06

love that they both have

35:08

so much to learn from each other because Miles

35:11

is a great reminder to Peter B. Parker of

35:14

what Spider Man can and should be, of

35:17

what the beauty of being in the power

35:19

of being Spider Man. And then Peter

35:22

B. Parker beyond. He

35:24

just has these very straight

35:27

to the point you need Baby Potter in the suit

35:31

very straight. Yeah, but he does

35:33

have advice and he is in Miles corner.

35:36

He's always standing up for him. Um,

35:38

and they their relationship grows through the film too.

35:41

Yeah. It's one of my favorite concepts

35:43

in the movie is the It's very

35:45

satisfying as the the mentor

35:47

students student becomes the master. They

35:49

both learned from each other. I've always

35:52

been into movies like that. I have to

35:54

and I love um. In

35:56

that final battle, Miles

35:59

uses stuff he learned from everybody. So that

36:02

part where he kind of does this long

36:05

sequence of jumping through things and crawling

36:08

on wall and his hands are going but doing

36:10

the whole thing. Um, he

36:13

learned that from the first Peter Parker something

36:15

he picked up there. And then

36:18

of course the leg sweep. Yeah

36:20

at the end Peter B. Parker right,

36:23

Yeah, what was the line leap

36:25

of faith that Well, that line is

36:28

great, but the don't look

36:30

at the mouth white what is watch the hand so

36:34

great? Yeah. I mean there's so many

36:36

great payoffs there are staggering

36:39

the number of like great little setups and payoffs

36:41

there are character wise throughout this movie. Yeah,

36:45

and there's so much foreshadowing of a lot of them,

36:47

especially when it comes to the Prowler having

36:51

that payoff, and it's so

36:54

brutal and painful. God, that moment

36:56

when he has him on the roof of

36:59

the house. Yeah, and he

37:01

takes his mask off. It's just like and

37:04

this is a freaking cartoon and

37:06

it's just so emotionally strong.

37:11

So great. Yeah, I think gets shot right

37:13

afterwards, and then

37:16

the dad walks in and thinks Spider

37:18

Man did it. It's just perfect.

37:21

Yeah. And I've read a lot of

37:24

um conversation

37:26

around how Miles is bothered,

37:29

and you can kind of insert other

37:32

for a lot of things. But you know, when he's

37:34

asking his sound, he really hate Spider Man and

37:37

then he finds out Prowler is one

37:39

of Spider Man's arch nemeses

37:42

and then he doesn't fit in the Spider Man

37:44

group because he's not ready. Um

37:47

So, just having that and and that first

37:50

scene where he sees the Spider Student, it just looms

37:52

over him and he's here in his like merchandise

37:55

he purchased. M Stanley.

37:59

Final voice acting, Oh that's right. Did

38:02

he voice that? Yeah? Okay, I didn't know if that was

38:04

him or if they got someone. No, it's him.

38:06

It's final voice acting uh, not

38:08

appearance, but I guess yeah, I wonder if they're going to fake

38:11

any of that for future animated or

38:13

like c G I create him for no.

38:16

I think that would be a bad idea, So

38:19

I gotta hope they don't. But I could see

38:21

someone yeah,

38:24

I mean maybe visually having representation

38:27

wouldn't be bad. I would feel weird there

38:29

was a voice, though, I think it would

38:31

be totally weird. Yeah. But then when

38:33

he finally becomes Spider Man and he the

38:36

suit, his reflection

38:38

takes it up. And that scene

38:41

where he jumps off the building, he takes

38:43

a leap of faith. That scene is called Rise

38:45

Up from Hamilton's because it's purposely shot,

38:47

so he's rising, he's falling.

38:50

Wow. Yeah. And

38:52

then the glass breaks because he's still scared

38:54

and he's still sticking. That's right, breaks

38:57

away so great. Uh.

39:00

And the payoff with the dad at the end too, it's

39:02

uh, I mean, there's so many funny

39:05

moments or Miles blaming

39:07

it all in puberty. Early on it was one of my favorite

39:09

bits. And then the end

39:11

when um, when he hugs

39:14

he hugs his dad and he's like okay, and

39:17

then he catches himself and you know, well, I look

39:19

forward to working with you in the future. I

39:21

still don't approve your method, Spider Man. Yeah,

39:23

and he's trying to like disguise his voice smiles

39:26

is just so adorable. Look

39:28

forward to working with you, and I love you. It's

39:33

so perfect, it is it's great. Um.

39:36

I also like how they handled the Gwinn Stacy thing

39:38

because, uh, they

39:41

didn't go into like the full on romance of it all,

39:44

which was nice, like they sort of laid

39:46

some groundwork and that that he was clearly,

39:48

you know, smitten by her. But

39:51

I think they handled it well. It didn't

39:53

need to go that much into it. I

39:56

agree. I think that would have Miles

39:59

the story and him becoming Spider

40:01

Man was big enough. I don't think we needed,

40:03

yeah, and Gwinn didn't need, you know. That sort

40:06

of reduces her to this sort of standard

40:08

trope of the love interest, like

40:11

she had her own powerful storyline,

40:14

and uh, I think the writers just did

40:16

a great job with her story as well. I

40:19

do too. She was the most she

40:22

felt like the most competent Spider

40:25

person in the room, but

40:27

in a way where she still had vulnerability.

40:31

UM. So that that was refreshing

40:33

to see I feel like a lot of times when I see

40:36

strong female character, they're really

40:38

one dimensional. Um. But

40:42

she didn't feel that way at all. She

40:44

felt fully realized. Um,

40:47

and I I could connect with pretty

40:50

much every character, which is great. Spider

40:53

hand Spider had well you know, I love

40:55

bad puns, so yeah, okay,

40:58

I thought you, well, well at the Spider him in a minute,

41:01

because god, that's just wonderful. Um.

41:04

They have a bunch of great set pieces and

41:07

action sequences, and I feel

41:09

like they did them all in their own way,

41:12

like they're all distinct from one another. Um.

41:14

But that that first big one that you get

41:17

with that green Goblin fight is

41:20

just like and you would already like

41:22

it's already clear this movie is a visual like

41:25

masterpiece. But then that is

41:27

so like off the rails bonkers,

41:30

that first action set piece

41:33

that it's just like what the funk am I even watching

41:35

now? I remember

41:39

that scene very clearly because that's

41:41

you know, he's been bitten and he's investigating

41:43

and you're kind of on edge because it's quiet, and

41:46

then his back is to that like

41:48

I don't think it's windows, but it's just open space

41:51

and you see lookouts. Yeah,

41:54

the words display the way they

41:56

use text in this movie is so cool, so good.

41:58

And it doesn't start happening in soil after he's

42:00

bitten by the Spider um,

42:03

so that that was a really visually arresting

42:05

way to do the Spider sense that

42:08

he could sense something was wrong. And I remember that moment

42:10

so clearly because it was another thing of oh,

42:12

whoa, this is not like anything else I've

42:14

seen. And um, I

42:17

convinced a lot of friends to go who also weren't

42:19

into Spider Man and went very begrudgingly, and

42:21

by that point they were all in,

42:24

Yeah, this is a movie that you definitely

42:26

proselytize about, like, and I

42:28

think that's why it did so well. Um,

42:31

because this is a movie you leave and

42:34

you start texting your friends go

42:36

see this like as quickly as possible in

42:38

the theater right, yes, before it

42:40

goes. Um. But that yeah, that

42:43

action sequence in the way the camera follows

42:46

Miles as he kind of falls and sticks

42:48

on one thing and falls, and then

42:50

seeing Peter Parker just

42:53

so confidently do that

42:55

that little move where he got up to the ceiling.

42:58

Yeah, and Green Goblin is almost stop

43:00

motion at times. Yeah, kind of perky,

43:02

jerky, it's the way they blended

43:05

all these animation styles was just it

43:08

like on paper. I would have thought like, no, you probably

43:11

shouldn't do that. Yeah, yeah, because

43:13

they have. Once you get introduced to Penny

43:15

Parker, there's anime on the same

43:17

thing. Yeah. Yeah,

43:20

the black and white with the Spider Man noir.

43:23

Um. But they do have

43:25

hand draw and things as well, so some

43:27

freeze frames you'll freeze it. And especially with

43:29

early Peter Parker, those

43:31

are hand drawn. Oh really, like the power

43:34

or whatever? Yeah, yeah,

43:36

I like when the thwack was

43:38

it twip or thwack? Yeah, when

43:41

he was teaching them how to do the web swinging

43:44

yep. And bagel of course, when he throws the

43:46

bagel. Oh that's right, that's right. Um.

43:51

So plot wise, you know, he gets the slumb

43:53

drive the goober and um,

43:55

it's a very simple story, you

43:57

know, as far as that stuff goes, Like

44:00

the story is really about the hero's journey,

44:02

but as far as the plotty plotty stuff, you

44:05

know, it's like a thumb drive that will save the world. Yeah,

44:09

pretty much, and then trying to get

44:11

all these alternate spider

44:13

people home. Yeah. Once they introduced

44:16

the idea of the different um the

44:19

different timelines or our guests, the different

44:21

verses versus universes. Um,

44:25

it's I didn't see that coming. Yeah,

44:28

and I thought they did it really well

44:30

because I can see how that

44:33

could have been really confusing, both

44:36

visually and storyline

44:39

wise, but it really wasn't and I felt

44:41

they moved through it quickly. Here's this makes

44:44

sense, let's go. Yeah,

44:47

that's kind of all you need to know. Yeah. Um,

44:50

and they you know, they go to uh, al

44:52

come x And this is still

44:55

early on in Miles is transformation

44:58

because he can control his

45:00

invisibility. And that whole scene

45:03

stealing the computer and

45:05

that's when you get introduced to Doc Doc. It's

45:08

uh, that whole sequence is great. Yeah,

45:11

I love it. He's carrying

45:13

the monitor and good news, we

45:15

don't need to. I love that line

45:17

so much. And uh

45:20

and that leads to the big forest chase,

45:22

which is one of my other favorite set pieces

45:24

in this movie. Yeah, it's really

45:27

stunning. Um, the whip

45:29

release release and that's on the frame

45:32

rate. Uh So the two

45:34

characters are out of frame sync for

45:37

most of that, but then at the end they

45:39

become in sync with the frame rate.

45:42

This means I have to watch it again. I'm definitely

45:44

recommending that you watch it again now that you know all of

45:46

this stuff, because you'll pick up on so much more.

45:48

There's a movie I'm gonna watch over and over throughout my

45:50

life. Um. Also, in that forest

45:53

scene, what makes the payoffs so great is

45:55

that's when we meet Gwen as

45:57

Spider Woman, and that entring

46:00

is just so it's just like spectacular. Yeah,

46:02

the punk rock music cue she

46:04

comes in and she's just so confident

46:07

and does it takes

46:09

care of the problem very quickly. Yeah,

46:12

And this is a movie I think it's best, Um,

46:14

if you don't know much about it almost because

46:17

there's so many surprises. Um.

46:20

I'm sure if you're a big comic book nerd and you kind

46:22

of knew all of this stuff and all these characters, it's

46:25

satisfying as well. But to not know any

46:27

of this and to have it unfold, you're like, oh,

46:29

wait a minute, there's a Spider Woman. Now, this is kind of cool.

46:32

And then when they go to Aunt May's and

46:34

take the tour of the you know, the

46:36

the Underground Layer, and she

46:39

passes out those name tags you might need these,

46:41

and you're like, what what was she talking

46:43

about? And then everybody comes in and

46:45

it's just overload. Like both

46:48

of us can't stop smiling right now in the room talking

46:50

about it because it cuts two First,

46:52

Nicolas Cage, yes as Spider and Noir

46:55

like perched on apparently nothing

46:58

with a wind blow? Where's

47:00

the wind coming from? Wherever I go, the

47:03

wind follows. And

47:05

then when you hear it and realize the

47:07

realization that that's Nick Cage, I

47:10

mean, it's perfect. It

47:13

was great casting. Oh my god,

47:15

It's like, what are they trying to do to an audience, Like,

47:18

oh, you thought you were having fun, Well,

47:20

how about nineties Spider Man with

47:22

fucking Nick Cage. We're

47:25

talking about something real? Oh boys, Yeah,

47:28

which is lying about the cube at the end, the roof excube

47:31

taking. I don't understand it, but

47:33

I will taking

47:35

this with me. And

47:38

then Penny Parker, which is so great. Yeah,

47:41

I love she

47:44

just feels they feel so genuine.

47:46

I am almost shocked that they pulled

47:48

it off. But that kind of character

47:51

could have come off very either annoying

47:53

or just like look at this anime character, but

47:56

they used the anime style. She

47:58

felt really badasses like everyone

48:01

else. Um, a

48:03

great member to have on the team. Yeah, it was

48:05

really, Oh wow, this is awesome.

48:08

Yeah, and I was amazed at how much you

48:10

care about each of these, like

48:12

with so little, Like they were

48:15

so efficient in making you care because

48:18

you know the scene where at the end

48:20

where her robot uh gets

48:23

smashed or dies or whatever, it's like

48:25

brutal. I know, you know, the originally

48:28

thought about killing her, and

48:30

then they were like, no, that's gonna be true. It's

48:32

gonna be too tough. I my

48:34

heart hurt reading that. Yeah. I

48:37

would have been so mad. Yeah, yeah,

48:39

you can't do that. And then we get

48:43

Spider Ham. Spider Ham, the great

48:45

John mulaney. Yes, it was just

48:47

cherished anyway, perfect for

48:49

this. Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure. I

48:51

saw an interview with him where he said he didn't know that's

48:54

what he was auditioning for, and

48:56

they were just like, be funny, and he was

48:58

cursing all the time until he

49:00

finally asked, what's the rating of this movie? So

49:04

they couldn't use any of it. Now, this is a dumb question.

49:07

Is Spider Ham? Like was that a comic

49:09

character? Was this invented for this? Oh?

49:11

Yeah? Really yes, no, Spider

49:14

Ham. I believe he has origins

49:16

all the way back to the sixties, but he's first in

49:19

the eighties. I think it was wind

49:21

Spider. Yeah, Peter Porker and

49:23

his uncle Frankfurter so had his own

49:26

run. Oh sure, were they jokey? I guess

49:28

it was sort of a fun take on it. Yeah. Yeah.

49:30

And there's one of my favorite things about it that they

49:33

pay homage too in the movie is

49:36

there was sort of a running joke that maybe

49:38

behind the mask he is Porky

49:40

pick right, And so the end

49:42

when he says, are

49:44

we allowed to say that? But

49:47

yeah, that that's actually the biggest question I've

49:50

gotten from friends

49:52

and family have seen it and who know, and

49:55

he probably would know about comics. Is

49:57

Spider ham thing? Yep, they're

50:00

all things. Um. The three

50:03

other ones are more recent, I believe.

50:06

But Spider Hands goes

50:08

back interesting. Uh.

50:10

One of my favorite parts of that scene when they well,

50:13

you know, my Miles finds out we finally get like his

50:15

purpose is revealed that he has to get them back to

50:18

their own you know universe. Um,

50:21

again, classic heroes a journey. But when

50:23

they're all introducing themselves

50:25

and like can you do this? Can you do this? Can

50:28

you do this? Millaney goes

50:30

can you float through the air when you smell a delicious

50:32

foe so

50:36

funny, it's really good. Um

50:39

Like, no one else could have played that. You

50:41

know. Millaney's voice is just so spot

50:43

on, Yes, very distinctive. That

50:46

was one of the things I was most excited about, even before

50:49

I decided I'm probably not going

50:51

to see this movie, but John Laney is in

50:53

it, maybe I should. And

50:56

then I don't know if you've seen this short at the end

51:00

um post credits, Yeah, that John mulaney.

51:02

Well there's there's the like post credit scene, and

51:04

then there's like a short with John. Um.

51:08

Well it's really silly and just

51:10

a bunch of puns and him in a battle

51:12

with crawl Daddy or whatever. Man,

51:14

I gotta see that. But one of my favorite things about

51:16

it is he gets pulled out of his timeline,

51:19

which is the timeline of animation on

51:21

a computer screen. Um. So

51:24

it's like a play on you know, timeline

51:26

timeline because then he starts to you don't

51:29

really see him get pulled out of his world. It's

51:31

very short to the point by the

51:33

time he tells his story or he doesn't really um

51:36

so he gets pulled. He's getting pulled

51:38

into the other dimension, he says, I hope I haven't

51:40

missed the first sixty seven minutes, which

51:43

is when he comes into really

51:45

Yeah, that's funny. I love it.

51:47

It's so good. I gotta check that out. So that's after

51:50

everything. Yeah, but it's not on if

51:52

you're watching on Netflix. I don't know that it's on Netflix Netflix.

51:55

Okay, I might need to buy this on Blue ray

51:58

or something. So

52:00

we have the great fight with at

52:02

aunt May's even aunt May gets

52:04

a little you know her moment, which is kind of

52:06

cool out great Lily Tomlin

52:09

National Treasure um, and

52:12

that that's fight is like awesome because it's

52:15

tough to you know, they're in a pretty

52:17

confined space and there how

52:20

many people are in there? I think so there's

52:23

five maybe like love it. Yeah,

52:25

that's really tough to pull it off and

52:27

make it not be confusing, which they

52:29

managed to do. I think. Yeah, And that's

52:32

a really great emotional

52:34

roller coaster too, because that's when you found out

52:36

about the Prowler and Miles is still in this very

52:39

shaken emotional state and

52:42

uh having Peter B. Parker

52:44

just trying to get him out of there, and it

52:47

ends up of course, the confrontation

52:49

between his uncle and himself.

52:52

Yeah, you really like Prowlers, such a scary character

52:54

in this but um, the

52:58

their relationship is so special, Like

53:01

you you root for Aaron, you

53:03

know, like it's sad when he gets killed. Yeah,

53:06

and then he's a total bad guy, like

53:08

a really bad bad guy. But

53:11

that that's great story

53:13

writing as well. The fact that you feel not

53:16

only for Miles but for Aaron

53:19

in that scene. That they were able to pull that off,

53:22

it's really spectacular. Yeah. Absolutely.

53:25

Um, sort of in the third

53:27

act here when everything starts sort

53:29

of converging towards the end, you get some some

53:32

really fun roommate stuff. Miles

53:35

is what is that as a dorm er? Yeah,

53:38

definitely dorm Like it's uh, they're

53:41

all there and he gets he finally gets

53:43

they get busted and and Spider

53:46

him go because do animals talk in this

53:48

dimension? Because I don't want to freak him out that

53:52

if everything wasn't already so freaky. He's

53:56

reading Spider Man because he looks

53:58

up. Yeah, and they're all you know, they're

54:00

all like basically connected to one another on

54:02

the ceiling. It's such a fun team.

54:05

Yes, you know, it's such a

54:07

weird mix. Yeah, and they all contribute

54:10

something so specific art

54:12

style, character, story wise, and

54:15

it it just works and it's so fun to

54:17

watch. Can they top this in a

54:19

sequel? I don't know. I just hope for

54:21

like as good. Yeah, you know, there's

54:23

I mean, there's no way. It's a disappointment. Yeah,

54:27

it would be hard because the set the

54:29

bar so high. It really did, and just

54:32

the fact that it was so unique and

54:35

daring and fresh. It

54:37

will be hard to have that same level because

54:40

I mean the art is beautiful, and I'm sure if I see

54:42

it in a sequel, I'm still going to be Yeah, but

54:44

like we're saying, part of part of it was just

54:47

the first time, Yeah, just getting your mind

54:49

blown. I remember

54:51

walking out of the theater and just being like Wow,

54:54

it's like just mental stimulus

54:57

overload in all the right ways.

55:00

And I I too, immediately texted all my

55:02

friends and said, look, I gotta go see this movie again. Will

55:04

you please go? You

55:06

want to share it with people, yeah, yeah,

55:10

and just talk about it at length. That's right.

55:12

Afterwards, Miles

55:21

wants revenge another

55:24

sort of classic Heroes journey type thing, and

55:26

he thinks he's ready, Um, but you

55:29

know, you gotta you gotta have that final obstacle,

55:32

which is Peter basically saying like you're

55:34

not ready and tying him up with

55:37

the thing and like you he's so protective

55:39

of Miles. It is such a sweet relationship,

55:42

but um, you know he

55:45

it's so sad. That's what makes it so satisfying when

55:47

he busts out of there, right, Yeah,

55:49

because Peter B. Parker genuinely

55:52

cares about Miles and

55:55

he had been his biggest supporter, like

55:57

he can do not a comet he can do. But

56:00

he finally realizes he's

56:02

gonna get himself killed if I

56:04

don't stop this. So it's a really caring

56:08

moment for him, and for him to know this

56:10

means I probably will die. Yeah,

56:13

Um, I won't go back to my universe and

56:15

that probably is the end for me. Um makes

56:17

it also really powerful

56:20

powerful moment. Yeah, and everyone. I love

56:22

how everyone is, uh, everyone

56:24

wants to do it. You know. There's that one scene

56:26

where they're like, well, no, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it, but

56:29

Miles is gonna learn who can do it? Um,

56:32

And it kind of reminded me of the Hawkeye.

56:36

Uh you've seen the basically

56:38

the latest end game, right, Oh of course.

56:41

Yeah, the moment with Hawkeye and Um

56:43

Black Widow when they're battling

56:46

to like sacrifice themselves. Yeah,

56:49

it's just such a hero trait.

56:51

Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna throw myself

56:53

on the grenade. They all raise their hands so excitedly.

56:56

In Miles is Miles spends most

56:58

of this movie trying to not be Spider Man. Yeah,

57:01

which is another thing that makes it so

57:03

satisfying. Yeah, He's like, oh yeah, yeah,

57:06

I mean that the character arcs for

57:08

all these characters are so great, you

57:10

know, even the they introduce what

57:12

do you say at the sixty seven minute mark, the

57:15

rest of the crew, and they all have satisfying arcs.

57:18

Oh yeah, it's really pretty remarkable

57:20

storytelling. It is um And

57:23

one of the things, going

57:25

back to that criticism I heard

57:27

of, if you don't know much about Spider Man, how this movie

57:29

is not gonna make any sense to you. I

57:33

feel like you can relate to

57:35

these characters even if you don't haven't

57:38

read their facts where they're all

57:40

of the comic books behind them. Yeah,

57:42

there are certain things that we can just connect

57:45

to. And I don't need to know that

57:47

you were bitten by a radioactive pig right.

57:51

I can just you are a good a

57:53

well written character. I can relate

57:55

to that, and the fact that they were able

57:57

to do it with so many characters

57:59

in such a time. It's very impressive.

58:02

It is. I mean, these are classic themes, um,

58:05

Peter B. You know, let's talk

58:07

about the charity dinner scene when

58:09

he when he confronts MJ. It's

58:13

just brutal, it is. It's so I

58:17

love that scene because it's awkward

58:20

and weird, but you want

58:23

him to get some closure, but you know he can't

58:25

because this isn't the right m J. And

58:28

just to see it play out in this awkward,

58:30

weird way where you feel

58:32

sadness for him, but also it's silly.

58:35

Yeah, he's going to bring her more bread,

58:38

get you all the bread that you need. Um.

58:42

But that's a great way without going

58:44

back to his universe, because we don't get to see many

58:47

of these characters for too long and their home universes

58:49

after they've gone through this journey. That's a great

58:52

way to show he has

58:54

overcome some of the things that have been holding

58:56

him back and he does want

58:58

to get back with him Ja, or maybe he does want to have children,

59:01

right Um, so I thought that was a good

59:03

way of giving him a satisfying

59:06

story as well. Yeah, and he does

59:08

at the end that he shows him going back right

59:10

right, Yep, he rings the doorbell. He's too lazy

59:12

to go ring it. Just love

59:15

that moment kind

59:18

of boots out. There's

59:20

so many great little moments like that. Yeah. Um.

59:23

Then we have our final battle, which is just epic.

59:26

Um. Each each one of

59:28

these characters has their own they

59:31

have their own distinct like place and purpose

59:33

and personality. Uh,

59:35

and you care about them all so much. Like

59:39

the final battle is just so like perfectly

59:41

timed out. It's like a Swiss clock.

59:44

How they how they play this thing out, and

59:47

um, it's truly devastating

59:49

when they're getting sit back.

59:52

Yeah, I'll know up.

59:56

I know you want to see, like you want

59:58

the gang to be together, but it's of those

1:00:00

movie things like you know you can't. It

1:00:04

has to end. And I love

1:00:06

the fun team ups they do, the different

1:00:08

matchups. So when Penny

1:00:10

Parker is kind of getting beat up by Scorpion

1:00:13

and Spider Ham comes in, you've

1:00:16

got a problem with funny cartoons

1:00:18

and just blam way wammo um. And

1:00:20

then Spider Man Noir comes in just

1:00:23

all these different animation styles together

1:00:26

that shouldn't work, but somehow do. Yeah, it

1:00:28

was ballsy to think that they could pull

1:00:31

this off. Yeah. Um, the

1:00:33

frame rate thing for sure, because people

1:00:35

are pretty sensitive to frame rates that

1:00:38

you might remember around the Hobbit like that being

1:00:40

a big discussion point. Um.

1:00:42

So to go to a studio

1:00:45

and say, we're gonna try this

1:00:47

frame rate thing and seven different animation

1:00:49

styles, it's going to take forever. We're

1:00:52

gonna break everything you have. Does that sound good?

1:00:55

Also, we're gonna go with this unknown Spider Man character

1:00:58

which in the in the common world people know

1:01:00

about them, but like general populus not so

1:01:03

much. So I didn't know you know. Yeah, that's

1:01:06

quite a stunning that it got made

1:01:08

in some ways and that it worked as well as

1:01:10

it did. Yeah, and was just a smash

1:01:13

hit. Very satisfying

1:01:15

to see a movie like this when oscars and

1:01:18

you know, break open the box

1:01:20

office. Yeah, get the recognition.

1:01:23

Um, I I am interested

1:01:26

to see because you know, we we

1:01:28

vote with our dollars in some ways. If if

1:01:31

this will lead to more movies like this,

1:01:34

if it's successful, Yeah, Like

1:01:36

what do you mean? Just crazy animated

1:01:38

styles? Or yeah, not trying so much

1:01:41

to be hyper realistic, or

1:01:44

but more of this is a art

1:01:46

or not a cartoon. But the name

1:01:48

between CGI and cartoon. Yeah, are

1:01:51

creating because they really created their own Yeah,

1:01:55

and just original Yeah, more original

1:01:58

ideas like that. Yeah, I would

1:02:01

love to see that. I would too. Um,

1:02:04

you know this, this has such a great satisfying

1:02:06

ending. We talked a little bit about

1:02:08

the scene with his father, but

1:02:12

just so great, but that that very

1:02:14

end. Um, anyone

1:02:18

can wear the mask, such

1:02:20

a great line. You could wear the mask. If

1:02:22

you didn't know that before, I hope you do now, Like

1:02:26

rarely can you at the end of the movie say

1:02:28

like, here's what it was all about. And

1:02:30

we're just gonna say it and not have

1:02:33

it be like corny or whatever. Right, Yeah,

1:02:35

it was so great. It's like just I get choked

1:02:37

up even thinking about it. Yeah. And

1:02:40

um, he's just

1:02:42

that character is on the beginning of

1:02:45

his journey and it feels so fresh and new

1:02:47

and to hear this enthusiasm for it as

1:02:50

I feel like I could connect with both the

1:02:52

old, burnt out, washed up kind

1:02:55

of cynicism and then this young,

1:02:58

fresh, perhaps naive viewpoint.

1:03:00

And it it was really beautifully

1:03:03

moving. Yeah. Um, and that Stanley,

1:03:06

that was his biggest message was anyone

1:03:08

can wear the masks. This could be So

1:03:11

to be able to do that, get

1:03:13

to that core message of what he really

1:03:15

tried to communicate with a lot of his work.

1:03:18

To have that be the ending line and have

1:03:21

it work and not be corny,

1:03:24

right, it's fantastic. Yeah. And

1:03:26

and it's hard to not just sit there

1:03:28

and think like he's talking to the

1:03:30

little mixed race kid in

1:03:33

the audience. Yeah, anyone who feels

1:03:36

outcasts, who hasn't seen themselves

1:03:38

in this superhero, who never thought they could

1:03:40

be a superhero. This

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is my message to you. Yeah, and and not you

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know, obviously the mixed race kid is is

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directly on the nose. But like

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you said, I think this movie represents

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a lot of people sort of the

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underrepresented in general through

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the lens of this kid. Uh,

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you know, with a Puerto Rican mom and a and a black

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dad. Um. Just

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so like again, that matters so much

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and to be able to state it that plainly and

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uh, with with such impact is like the

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perfect way to end this film. Yeah.

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That like that is the point. If

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you didn't know that before, I hope you do now. Yeah,

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it's like that's what we were just trying to do here for two hours.

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Everybody. Yeah, yeah,

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and it's so good. I'm

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really sensitive to um writers.

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If I if I can get any inkling that you're trying

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to manipulate me emotionally, which you are, But

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if I can sense that you're doing it without earning

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it, I'm out. I'm with

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you. But if it feels genuine and like

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you've done the work, you've earned it. They

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earned every bit of it. They did such

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a wonderful film it is. I can't wait to see it

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again already. You should because it's a holiday movie.

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They made it. Yes, there's a holiday

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c D you can buy all and we're listened

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to that. They used the actual actors

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recorded, so uh,

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let's see. There's songs like spidy it's cold outside,

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swinging around the mistletoe, silent night, You're

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welcome, joy to the world that I just saved. Uh,

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Yeah, you're welcome. That

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reminds me of another one of the great jokes

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in the movie Smaller Moments, when Miles

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uh lands on the New York streets

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and he's getting walked over and he was like, could you

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just walk around me. Maybe he was Okay,

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thanks New York. And

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that's a Stanley cameo. Stanley steps over.

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Yeah I didn't notice that. Yeah, he's in the movie

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several times. Actually, if you like any

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train, if you pause Stanley, yeah,

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look at you. You know you got all his Easter

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eggs on, well not apparently not all

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of them, but a lot of them. I like how he gets hit by

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a drone at the end. That feels pretty yeah appropriate.

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What's this book you have here? So I am

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a huge nerd, and clearly I love this

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movie. So I bought this book,

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the Art of the movie Spider

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Verse, and you can literally you flipped the pretty much

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any page and it's just a freeze

1:06:03

frame of like how they did it. That

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is very cool. It's like coffee table size. Yeah,

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oh my god, it is so good man, I'm gonna

1:06:09

have to buy that. Yeah, that's killer. Yeah,

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I definitely want to get some art from

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this movie from my apartment. Yeah, they'd

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be cool, some like nice high

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quality, yeah, pining

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or something. Yeah. And they did combine

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so much art like the art styles

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um pop art, street art, and cubism,

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which is really interesting because Cuba Cubism

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is like looking at a bunch of things from different viewpoints

1:06:32

and combining them together. So it makes

1:06:34

sense that when the interdimensional dimensional

1:06:36

glitching or shifts happen, it's cubist

1:06:39

because they're seeing it. All that stuff was

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so cool. Yeah, oh gosh,

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so good, and we can talk about this movie. You're

1:06:46

eight hours? Um, can you will

1:06:48

you come on again and do another movie? I would

1:06:50

love to be part of the the

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gang here. I've always I've been waiting

1:06:54

for you to ask Chuck we can have our spider

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gang. Yes, awesome.

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We'll think ab out what you want to do next, and we'll

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just put you in the rotation. The rotation.

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It awesome. Thanks Annie, Thank you so much. Movie

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