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Hey everyone , and welcome to another episode

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of Movies Worth Seeing . On today's

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episode , I'm joined by Adi Aishua

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. Hi Aishua Aishua .

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Aishua , aishua , aishua , nice to

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meet you .

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I'm Michael Pishneering and I'm

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the host , and today we are talking about

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the Iron Claw , the latest

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wrestling . What

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do you call this ? A biopic ? I

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mean it's based on a true story . It's

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starring Zac Efron and

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everyone else's names I forget , but

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they're really good .

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What's his name ? Again , the Bear . What's his name ? The

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Dude from the Bear ? I'll say I'm going to have

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to look that up because that's going to be too embarrassing .

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I love how we're just like . All the performances

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are really great , but we can never fucking

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remember any of these actors' names .

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Lily James . I remember Lily James .

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Oh yes , lily , James , jeremy .

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Allen White . That's right , jeremy

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Allen White .

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Jeremy Allen White . He looks like a beast . And

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Zac Efron . Zac Efron looks like

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a jacked Matthew McConaughey , like

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on steroids . He

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looks like Matthew McConaughey from

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Dazed and Confused . But if he was

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on steroids , pretty much

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this whole movie kind of reminded me of

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Dazed and Confused because I think it's set

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around that same time frame of like

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80s , seven

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, late 79 to 86

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. This is a time period , yeah

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, anyway , the iron claw stars

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those people and covers

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the emotional

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kind of conflict involved with

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Fritz von Erich

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. He is the patriarch of the

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von Erich family and

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he has an iron claw

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over all of his children

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where he pressures them into

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fitting into his little mold

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of becoming professional wrestlers . And

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we say we see the

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cracks in the family relationships

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form as a result

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of this unbelievable pressure

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that he puts on his children to to

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try and achieve his

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dreams that he never got to achieve pretty

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much . And , yeah , the

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horrible effects that happen when parents

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pressure their children beyond

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their limits .

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That's a very nice spoiler . Free synopsis

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of the whole movie .

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Is it really ?

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Yeah , pretty much . That's actually literally what the movie is about . It's

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about the family dynamics and how it breaks down due to the pressure

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of the parent of a it's also a tyrannical

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dad in a traditional family setting of the 70s

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, 80s , 90s . That's exactly what the movie

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is .

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And it's also about wrestling , which

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is funny because Addy is not a wrestling

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fan at all . I am a massive

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wrestling fan . I'm actually going to WrestleMania

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this year , which is the biggest

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wrestling event in the world . Yeah

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, and Addy , I didn't

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know anything about the Von Erichs , though I knew

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that there was a lot of horrible things that

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happened to this family , but I didn't know specifically

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, so I went in , similar to you , not knowing

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a lot of how this was going to play out

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.

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Yeah .

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And it was fucking

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amazing .

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It was really funny because , when we walked

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in and I started watching the movie , I was like oh

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, this is really good . The first shot , absolutely

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amazing . And then they started wrestling

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and I was like fuck , these

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punches are fake . And then

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I figured out it was WWE .

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Yeah , wrestling is scripted .

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Corey , I know that I just didn't put

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one and one together . I thought it was

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actual wrestling , not WWE , so

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I thought it was boxing or something like that . I

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knew it was some sort of fighting , but I didn't expect the

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fake one .

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You're going to be careful using that word fake around a

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wrestling fan bro .

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I'm going to get some negative comments from wrestling

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fans .

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Yeah , just blip that out . It's scripted

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, it's choreographed . Anyway , one

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of the interesting things was , as

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soon as we started watching this , all

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the wrestling scenes felt so

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visceral and raw to me , and

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it's interesting because it's

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a choreographed fight , you get

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the emotions and intensity behind .

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It was just so real , mm right and

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you felt like you were in really in the ring

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.

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There was lots of close up shots that

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really immersed you into the ring .

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Yeah , yeah , it was really

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nice because , like , when you see the WrestleMania , like in

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real life , like on TV , it's

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they're acting

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, of the actors , of the restless

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is Average

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at best , you know , just like a speech , but

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it's like OK , cool , interesting . Sometimes they're like

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really good bits . But in this movie , even though the talking

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was a bit , yeah , you can , you can see , it's scripted

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, but the fighting , even though it was scripted and choreographed

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, dude , it was

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intense , it was real , it was sincere

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, it was real emotions , real rawness

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coming through it . It was actually really

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nice to see .

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And I think that was because

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the actors knew

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that everything we

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do , even in the wrestling scenes , it's

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not just us wrestling . There's always got to be

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emotion behind it and pretty

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much the whole film is

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them trying to impress their dad and get

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that validation . So when they go out

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wrestling they're 100 percent trying to sell

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it , trying to sell the intensity because

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they're they're fighting with all this raw

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emotion of I'm going to be the best

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at this , I'm going to suck the crowd in .

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Absolutely . And like speaking of the

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dad , like you were saying before , I thought what

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they movie did so well is embracing

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the masculinity of the era . It's

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. This is the hard reality of traditional

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was a traditional family of that time . This

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is the harsh truth , this is , this is just the fucking

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way it is , and there was no sugarcoating it . It was just

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realism . And it

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was hard , real

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, hard , real pressure from the dad to achieve his dreams . It's

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the tyranny that drove

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this family from greatness of the potential greatness

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to its absolute demise .

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Yeah , the kids have like a strong respect

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for their dad . Yes , sir , Like well

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, yeah , that's like soldiers , they

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just take commands . There's no arguing

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with any of his rules

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or instructions , but that's the way it was then , no

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matter how much you disagree you shut the fuck up and

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you do it .

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Yes sir , no sir , it's

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like the army kind of thing , which

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he treated them like as if they're his army .

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Yeah , it's

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brutal . The

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interesting thing about the story

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is it covers this . There's

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this myth in the family

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legacy that there's a curse

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, and the whole movie

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we see why they

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believe that there is actually a curse

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on this family because of all these tragic

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things that keep happening , one after another

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. And you start to see how it affects

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them , in that some of these people

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don't want anyone to be close to them because

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they're actually afraid that they're going to infect

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other people with their curse .

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Yeah , so Kevin's real fear is

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, yeah , each child

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has their own fears , which

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is explored extremely well , even though

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Kevin is the main character and the others are like the side characters

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. Every

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single child's fear is explored

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so well and for Kevin , it was the curse which

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gives him the issues in

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his life that he has , which comes

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in between his relationships with the people around him

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, whereas for the other children

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, for David , what was it for David ? His

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fear it was .

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I think David's fear was that he wasn't going to live

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up to the

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potential because he ended

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up surpassing his

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other brother . Yeah , there was still not enough . And his

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father was like he's going to be champion

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first , then this one's going

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to be champion , then you , then you

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. He's actually saying like all my

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children are going to be the top

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1% . They're going to

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reach the absolute pinnacle of

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this sport , one after

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another , and it was meant to be Kevin . Yeah

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.

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It was meant to be Kevin from the beginning . It was meant to be Kevin and

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then spoiler alert it

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turns out to be David who's going to reach the top

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first , and that just broke him . He

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did everything he could to support his brother , get

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there , and then he overtakes it , and then the fear of the family

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, like his fear , was the family falling apart , and

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he was the cause of it because of

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his dad's pressure . Then

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you got Kerry , who just wanted to do

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the Olympics . He just wanted to do what his dream was , which was

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the Olympics and the Discus , but

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gets pressured into wrestling and wrestling

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and it was like a big honor for him .

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Well , it wasn't , but it is because

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it's of his dad . It feels like once

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the Olympics doesn't work , the father's

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just like all right . As soon as

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you found out that the Olympics

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isn't going to work , all right , you're coming

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to do wrestling , whether you like it or not , because

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you've got to do something . And he was just

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like okay , I guess I'll

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do wrestling .

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Yes , sir , yes , sir , yes sir

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. And then you have , of course , mikey the little one . Yeah

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, well , he was just , I'm

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pretty sure he was homosexual . He

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had like a few very homosexual moments , like very

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flamboyant , but he was like closeted , definitely

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holding in Really .

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I didn't think I was going to . Yeah , you didn't notice it .

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Yeah , but then when they were playing the music in

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the garage and his brothers picked

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him up , the way he was walking out

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is like cool . He just came out of

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his element where he was himself , and then he covered

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it up .

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Oh , very interesting .

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Yeah , he was a closeted homosexual wanting

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to make music in his life and follow the arts

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. But again he went into wrestling

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because the pressure of his family , mainly

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of course from his dad , from a tyrannical dad who again

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pressures on what he wants for that

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, just from the way he was walking out of the

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garage .

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He just was like you made the

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full , like he is definitely closet

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homosexual .

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The way he was walking , the way he was talking , there was little little

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intonations the way he was talking , a few little word choices

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that he had .

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But you do that

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. You walk like

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that all the time .

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Stop it . Okay

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, that's going to be good .

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No , but maybe they should have made that more obvious

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. Had him like reading a Playgirl magazine

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with like no ?

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no , they shouldn't , and that's why I fucking love the movie

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so much is because they didn't . It

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was just such as little subtle moment and I could be wrong

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as well , but it was just like cool . It's part of it because

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it would never be an accepted by his dad . So it's

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not even a point of bringing up . It

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was such a secret even for the audience it's kind of like a

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secret . But if you pay attention , I just noticed it I

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have a very strong gator .

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Yeah , I've noticed that you're very

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good at picking up any kind of gayness

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. It's almost like you've drawn .

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You've been up from this side

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here .

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Yeah , because anywhere there is

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gayness , you're like , hey , I'm

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here , oh

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good , maybe it's

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me this whole time .

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Yeah , no , no , so yeah , like , and then he

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won't just want to go from music and I guess

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what he ends up in wrestling and that becomes his demise as well

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. So everybody has their fear and has their

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, has their fear , and everybody has their

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, their dreams . But they have to give up their

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dreams and they have to , you know , just deal

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with the fear of the things that they don't want to do because

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of their , their tyrannical dad .

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You know , this kind of reminds me now of the

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more we're talking about it , of previous scenes

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and I'm thinking like , oh , that makes more sense

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. Like remember when so

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we're getting into spoiler territory

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Kevin's first date with Pam

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. They have a conversation and Pam says

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what do you want in life ? He's

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like I want more ribs , and

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then even though it's

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, funny we had ribs

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after the movie . But there was like

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now that I think about it , that

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was probably the first time anyone was

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like what do you want to do with your life rather

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than just being ? And it actually caught

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him soft guard . He was like I want

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ribs .

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Yeah . And he wants to become the

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best wrestler , but he wants more than that he wants to be with his family

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, all right . So it's

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like , yeah , he starts up with a joke because he doesn't know how to

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handle that question . It's a very loaded question

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. It's never been asked before , probably and

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then joke , and then what he

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meant to say and then what he really wants .

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Yeah , right , oh . The

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chemistry between Lily James and Zac Efron was

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great too .

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I still can't get over the fact that he

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is going to be he-man soon . He

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just looks like he-man .

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He does . Here's a photo . He is he-man . Yeah

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, you can't just have it be me .

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No , no , no , you'd like the hair I can wear a

12:49

wig . I'll Photoshop a

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wig on your head .

12:52

Yeah .

12:53

I'll do that .

12:54

AI wig with like can you do AI wigs Someday

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? We can .

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I probably could just upload a photo of you and be like add

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a he-man wig on top of this guy . Yeah , I'll

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try , we'll come up with something .

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We'll come up with something Especially .

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Shove it into a chat , gpd4 , and they'll do it for you . Yeah

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, yeah , no , but he just looked like he-man Fucking

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super big real round

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. I don't know how he got such a round head . He didn't

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have a round head .

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It felt like a stretch to image a little bit . He got

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some kind of surgery done , did he , yeah , and

13:20

are just fine , smooth enough to look like an owl .

13:21

That should be fine .

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Do you like it ? I don't know . I don't know how it's like . Like

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for real for this man . No , no , no , no , no , no , no

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, I don't . I don't know if it was not

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for the movie . He actually did get some

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kind of surgery , something to do with

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his jaw , cause it's

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. It's different If

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you go like , go into when you

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edit this , look out like photos of

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him , cause I swear he is

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definitely . There's been articles and stuff about

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it that he has gotten surgery

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done .

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Yeah , cause it felt at times where they just he's

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big but they like stretch the

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image a little bit sideways to make him look even bigger

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, cause everything was a little bit out of proportion . Everybody

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was a little bit fat at the normal . Everybody's a

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little bit wider than normal . Don't

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want to get cancelled . Everybody was a little bit bigger

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than normal .

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You got to base someone to get cancelled first

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of all , so I don't really care .

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Everybody's fucking obese . Everyone's

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a fat fuck . That's

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it Now . Everybody's a little bit bigger than normal Cause

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it felt like it was just stretched a little bit sideways . But

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anyway , how good was the

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music choice .

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Oh , like Russian or these cool bands

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, dude went to the lobster Fuck

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, it's so good .

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You know what the lobster ? Which one Everyone

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fears the reaper .

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Oh , don't fear the Reaper by blue oyster

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cold the fuck , did you say

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Red lobster ? Were

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you thinking of rock lobster ?

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Rock lobster . I was thinking of rock lobster , what the fuck is happening

14:45

.

14:45

That's a completely different song .

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That's rock lobster Wow

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.

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Anyway , yeah , the song choices in

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this movie are fantastic

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because it's set in a time frame

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, a period of time when music

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was actually fucking good . I'm

15:03

just flustered , it's

15:05

okay . It's okay .

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Why don't you say the lobster ? Have you seen the lobster in

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the movie ?

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Yeah , column Farrell . Yeah , so good , I

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don't know why that just .

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I don't know why that just grouped up my mind Anyway

15:19

.

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Each actor's performance added depth and

15:21

likeability to their respective roles

15:23

. I feel the film effectively

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illustrates the different personalities

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of the brothers . But one thing the film does exceptionally

15:31

well is all the guys playing

15:33

the brothers like

15:35

. Their chemistry , their love for each other

15:37

, their compassion towards each other

15:40

is so abundantly

15:42

clear that when

15:46

it's all crumbling , it

15:48

feels you really feel the emotional

15:51

breakdown . You feel it . You

15:54

feel like that sadness .

15:55

But it was just such a good relationship between

15:57

the three , four brothers . It

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was just there were such good friends

16:02

. There was no bad blood between them

16:04

, not naturally . The

16:07

bad blood started to get between them when the dad

16:09

started to press on them .

16:10

Yeah , there was manufactured competitiveness

16:13

between them . Yeah , but even then they

16:15

weren't as competitive with each other . No

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, they were still very supportive .

16:19

And that was made . That's what made it

16:21

so good , because , like , the

16:23

dad is just not directly

16:26

but kind of try to

16:28

break their relationship as much as possible

16:30

because he wanted to excel and want to be , want

16:32

to excel and then the others live up to it . So

16:34

he just tried to pull them apart from

16:36

us in a way , and then , but

16:38

their way of staying together

16:40

and supporting each other has made it so good .

16:43

Yeah , fritz von Erich has this weird

16:46

strategy of like I'm just going

16:48

to focus on the top child

16:50

push them up into the stratosphere

16:52

, get the others jealous , and then the others will get

16:54

jealous and they'll all crawl up to him

16:56

.

16:57

Which kind of worked ? If you think about it

16:59

, it kind of worked , as they're all .

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Well , they're all dead except for Kevin

17:02

, so it didn't work .

17:03

It worked to a degree , like Kind

17:07

of didn't work . No , no , it worked

17:09

to a degree . But then they grew and then Holt

17:12

didn't Holt's character right , what's

17:14

the name , fritz ? He didn't

17:16

grow . So he kept on putting the same pressure , even

17:18

though the brothers were ready

17:21

for something new , like for their dad to grow with

17:23

them and accept the way everything is and just keep building

17:26

on each other , because that's not their strength . But their dad kept

17:28

pushing the same thing and then eventually

17:31

that cracked the relationship between the brothers

17:33

and that went wrong .

17:34

And also , even when a brother

17:37

reached a level of success , they

17:40

knew that I have to hold

17:42

the success now forever . It's

17:45

not like I can reach the success and

17:47

now relax and the pressure

17:49

of having to maintain that now to

17:52

keep their father happy , and

17:54

also knowing that even once you

17:56

reach this goal for example

17:59

, kerry winning this title

18:01

belt he just knew that

18:03

the father was like , oh yeah , but when are you going to win

18:05

this belt ?

18:06

After every peak of a mountain is a higher mountain , kind of thing .

18:08

Yeah , and he's just always got a higher mountain

18:10

ready . Yeah , definitely

18:13

. It always feels like what's

18:15

the point if there's always a higher

18:17

mountain ? Yeah , exactly , I

18:20

liked your interpretation of the whole because

18:23

the mother of the family doesn't

18:26

really have much of a role and

18:28

she's not really there any

18:30

kind of support . She doesn't provide any

18:32

support to any of the children , which

18:34

causes more of a breakdown , because

18:37

now you've got the father always pushing

18:39

them and no one's stopping him and

18:41

saying you're pushing them too hard . And

18:43

when the eldest son , kevin , says

18:45

this to his mother and

18:47

says I think that my father is pushing

18:50

Michael too far

18:52

, she gives him no reassurance

18:54

or support at all .

18:55

Yeah , let them figure it out between them . Yeah

18:57

, and I don't want to interfere .

18:59

So it gives the impression that , like for

19:01

a family to succeed , you need

19:03

a balance from both parents .

19:06

Yeah , and that's a very strong element in a movie that

19:08

, yeah , it's . You need

19:11

the woman of the house , the mother , the

19:13

mother , to step up , take action , step

19:16

up , stop the dad , like . There needs to be a balance between the mom and

19:18

the dad of the woman and the man of the house to

19:21

create , to give that safe space , kind

19:23

of . Thing as well , to grow , not just

19:25

a tyrannical dad of keep

19:28

going , you're better than him , so you should work harder , kind

19:30

of thing . It's like the mother step in and just give

19:32

a little bit of care . It's okay , because

19:35

the dad just created wounds , created wounds and

19:38

the mom didn't heal them .

19:40

Yeah , and that was the biggest

19:42

shock for me watching

19:44

this , because I

19:47

didn't know what to expect from this film . And

19:49

the first big scene where

19:51

all of the children are sitting down together

19:54

having breakfast . The

19:56

father clearly says now this

19:58

is the ranking of how much I love all

20:00

of you . Kevin is number one , david's

20:03

number two , carrie's number three and

20:05

Michael your last . I was like

20:07

what kind of a piece of shit . Just ranks

20:09

their children but also tells

20:11

the children the ranking . And he's

20:13

like , oh hey , hey , the

20:15

ranking can change though . I

20:19

was like what a fucking piece

20:22

of shit . Yeah , and the movie

20:24

becomes this whole journey of will

20:26

this father ever realize that

20:28

their

20:31

parenting caused

20:33

all of this ?

20:35

Well , the mother kind of realized

20:37

at the end .

20:39

But what ?

20:39

makes ?

20:39

she think she realized it Because

20:43

I spoiler alert once again when

20:45

Kerry kills himself . Yeah

20:47

.

20:48

When the last of the children dies . But

20:50

besides Kevin , she's

20:53

like she blames the

20:55

dad . Like , is that why she's so

20:57

distant ? It's like I didn't cook . I'm not hungry , I'm

21:00

doing what . I want to do Okay , that's good you

21:02

wanting us to do anymore , because look what it brought

21:04

us . But so , speaking

21:07

of the ending , right , because it's like that

21:09

bit Now that I'm saying this out loud

21:11

, I realize that I love

21:13

that little , tiny little scene

21:15

, because the only thing you see

21:18

is the dad coming home , like always , but

21:20

this time there's no food ready . He's like

21:22

what are we eating ? And she's like I

21:24

don't know . It's like have you made anything ? No , I

21:26

haven't . What are you doing ? That's it . That's

21:30

pretty much the whole dialogue . But

21:32

that said so much because she was like I'm not fucking

21:34

doing your chores anymore , that's it

21:36

. You can cook for yourself . I'm not going to be the

21:38

lady of the house anymore like I used to be . I'm not going to

21:40

be run over by you like a tyrannical bastard that

21:42

you are . Like all that is just unsaid

21:45

, but it was just in actions and the

21:47

silence of it , right . But

21:49

then you get to the very , very ending , where between

21:52

Kevin and his children , it's like they had

21:54

to just say exactly

21:56

what the message was and it's like not

21:59

needed you could get that

22:02

message without the children having that shitty

22:04

dialogue .

22:05

But isn't , couldn't , an argument

22:07

being made that the children , like they

22:10

instinctually , are just like , like

22:12

there's no filter , they just say it .

22:15

Yeah , but , yeah . But I mean there should always be some kind

22:17

of filter , because you're writing a movie , you're

22:20

writing a message , like you can get

22:22

the kids to say dad , man up , like

22:25

I could say that too , because there's no filter , right . So

22:27

as a writer I would say , like , cut those children

22:29

lines out and do that

22:32

through physical behavior

22:34

or emotional behavior . Give the dad , give

22:37

Kevin are these finally for the first time

22:39

or second time ? Because he had one

22:41

tear when Kerry died Not only

22:44

finding cries . Let the kids not say it's okay

22:46

, dad , everybody cries . No

22:48

, just let him cry , give him a

22:50

hug . That's the same acceptance

22:52

. You just don't have to fucking say it Same

22:56

as , like the mother , didn't have to say anything . She just did

22:58

what she wanted to do .

22:59

I think that was more that

23:02

they were worried the ending wouldn't

23:04

be satisfying enough .

23:06

I didn't think it was satisfying at all now .

23:08

I didn't think it was satisfying either

23:10

because I wanted

23:12

to see more of a happy ending

23:15

, Like I wanted to . But I mean because it's based

23:17

on a true story , and a very tragic

23:19

true story , Because

23:21

the movie is so focused on all the

23:23

negative stuff that happened that it's like how

23:26

do we put it back into balance

23:28

with all this positive stuff ? That

23:30

can be the final

23:32

note that we leave the audience

23:34

on to get them home happy

23:37

.

23:37

I understand what you're saying . I

23:39

feel they didn't need to make it a happier ending

23:41

because , like you , have the very , very ending one day , like

23:44

after credits , we're like , oh , and Kevin is not this old

23:46

and there's seven kids and 13

23:49

grandchildren . They're all live on the ranch , like they said they

23:51

were going to do . They kind of have that kind

23:53

of happy ending . They could have filmed that too . They

23:56

could have realized that it's more in the movie , kind of thing . Make

23:58

that ending . I feel like that's like a closed

24:00

ending , whereas now they have

24:02

a bit of an open ending . It's like , oh , he finally learned

24:04

to accept his feelings

24:07

, his emotional side , not just a

24:09

fucking physical masculinity , but also like everybody

24:12

can cry , kind of thing . You know , like you can be emotional

24:14

, you can feel . You're allowed to

24:16

have sorrow or guilt or

24:18

something like that , or fear or or sadness

24:21

, whatever sadness , you know that's

24:24

. That's a beautiful ending . I just feel like the

24:26

lines from the kids just ruined that moment , because it

24:28

was horrible .

24:29

Yeah , I think it's more the kids acting

24:31

that pissed you off .

24:33

The kids . I hate child

24:35

actors that can't act yeah

24:37

.

24:38

Like it was a really important scene . So for

24:40

the kids to not nail it was

24:43

disappointing because it's like the

24:45

last scene , it's so important

24:47

and Zach Airfront's fucking bringing

24:50

it . He's bringing like emotional

24:52

machine guns in that scene . The

24:55

other thing you reminded me of with

24:57

the with the mother , remember

24:59

how the mother was not in the shot . She

25:02

was purposely blocked out .

25:04

Yeah , yeah , yeah , she was out of

25:06

his life . Yeah , yeah , you're

25:08

, you're right .

25:10

Yeah .

25:11

Shit , that's good .

25:12

That was good shit . Yeah

25:14

, this movie had a lot of moments like that where it

25:17

could have . It could

25:19

have just done what every other movie does

25:21

and show Okay

25:24

, spoiler alert this character

25:26

gets into a motorbike

25:28

accident . All right , how are we going to show that ? Okay

25:31

, he said that he's

25:33

gone to go for a ride . He's on the motorbike . We're

25:35

seeing closeups of his eyes , kind

25:37

of like darting around , and then

25:40

it shows like the motorbike is going in a

25:42

straight line rather than on

25:44

one of the other streets , and then

25:46

there was like a jarring cut and

25:48

we just see someone waking up from bed . We

25:50

have no idea who it is .

25:52

It was in that shot at night . You

25:54

saw something moving in the background

25:56

.

25:57

Oh , you saw a light .

25:57

Yeah , you saw a light it was moving

25:59

and it was like uneven kind of thing . So

26:01

you knew he was going straight towards it and

26:04

you saw the emotion in his eyes . You knew he was on

26:06

a self-destructive mission .

26:08

So you feel we did it on purpose ?

26:10

Yeah , none of the . He

26:12

did it on purpose , but he was purposefully

26:15

careless , like . it's

26:17

not like he ran into a war , hit the car

26:19

on purpose , but it's more like if

26:21

I do , I wouldn't care because

26:24

, I just want to get all my anger out on the

26:26

road instead of having a conversation with his dad

26:28

and tell his dad to shut the fuck up , because

26:30

even though he got the fucking title , it

26:33

was still not good enough . He achieved everything

26:36

his dad wanted to achieve in his lifetime and it's

26:38

still not good enough . So he got so upset

26:40

, right .

26:42

Yeah , no , no , no . I'm just thinking about

26:44

it . I'm like , wow , yeah , it's full on , it's

26:47

full on even as we talk about it . I'm like

26:49

, fuck , what a movie the

26:51

way it did that and I just , yeah , I

26:53

just love the way that you

26:56

weren't . You kind of knew what was going to

26:58

happen , but you weren't sure how it was going

27:00

to show up , and

27:03

then it kept you guessing .

27:04

Yeah , yeah , like it was actually a

27:07

little bit predictable to

27:09

a certain degree , like certain moments were very

27:11

predictable , yet they still came as

27:13

a surprise . Yeah , because it just

27:15

wasn't . It was a very quick set up payoff

27:17

kind of thing . It's like oh , it leaves you a question like oh

27:19

my God , did he just really do

27:21

that ? We

27:24

don't know . And then he did , but

27:26

fuck , he actually did

27:28

it .

27:28

Yeah , it's just a fucking

27:31

great . There was lots of moments where and

27:33

I think the wrestler uses this technique

27:35

as well where there's lots of

27:37

like , crowd noise and like the aura

27:40

and atmosphere of the ring , the

27:42

epic breakers and then a jarring

27:44

jump cut to like silence

27:46

in a different scene

27:48

, to like show purposefully

27:51

how jarring

27:53

it is to just go from like this

27:55

peak to all

27:57

right . Now we're going to go to the harsh reality

27:59

of the spotlight to life . Yeah

28:02

, and the wrestler trust of it does

28:04

that so fucking well . You'd

28:06

love the wrestler If you loved this . You

28:08

would love the wrestler .

28:10

I don't like wrestling , but I love the movies .

28:12

Yeah .

28:12

Yeah , I'm keen to watch the wrestler

28:14

, definitely .

28:15

Were you like the whale .

28:17

Right , I haven't seen the whale yet . I

28:19

know , bro , I know it's

28:21

a stand out . I've seen the whale . You

28:23

like it . I fucking loved it .

28:25

I thought it was great .

28:26

I want to see Brandon Fraser so bad .

28:29

His acting is incredible .

28:30

What does it have to do with wrestling ?

28:32

Because Darren Aronofsky directed

28:34

the wrestler and he directed the

28:36

whale . So I thought , if you've seen

28:39

the whale and you liked that very

28:41

similar style , I'll love the whale

28:43

, regardless of what it is , because Brandon Fraser no

28:45

matter .

28:46

Hey , that doesn't matter what how shit it

28:48

would be or could be , it's

28:50

Brandon Fraser , I would love it . If

28:53

it's a porn with just Brandon Fraser getting

28:55

a Bukaki for 17 guys , I'd still watch

28:57

it . It's

29:00

Brandon fucking Fraser .

29:03

So , like Dudley Do-Right , monkey Bone

29:05

Bedazzled all those shit

29:07

movies he did . You loved them .

29:09

Since his comeback . Since his comeback , I just like his

29:11

story of his come . You know the story right , yeah

29:14

, why he's been away for so long .

29:15

It's just like the fact that he gets back into it

29:17

.

29:19

No , he got sexually harassed by people in

29:21

the Hollywood circle and then he voiced

29:24

that and then he got completely blacklisted

29:26

and nobody wanted to work with him anymore for like

29:28

10 , 12 years or something like that , since

29:30

Mummy , and then now

29:33

he finally made a comeback .

29:35

Who harassed him Wednesday .

29:38

No , it was some director . He

29:40

was like kept on slapping his ass and grabbing his ass kind

29:42

of thing . He's just like dude , don't fucking touch me . And

29:44

then he tried to talk about

29:46

it publicly and then they completely blacklisted him .

29:51

He should have went all fucking , jerry

29:53

O'Connell .

29:54

Well , he tried , but nothing worked . But he tried to

29:56

keep his acting career as well . I don't know exactly .

29:58

The fuck is his name in the Mummy . Anyway

30:01

, he should have went all fucking .

30:03

Chuck Norris on a ? Yeah , Chuck Norris

30:06

.

30:06

And just punched their dicks . Just

30:08

a dick's the sole problem . Yeah

30:12

, but like punched them , so they won't like

30:14

it .

30:15

Punch hard .

30:16

So they'll feel pain .

30:17

Talking about a Weinstein circle . Like they would love

30:19

being punched in the dick .

30:20

There's lots of guys who are going to be more

30:23

than happy to punch them in the dick in prison

30:25

. That's true .

30:27

So if they love it , then they'll love

30:29

it even more in prison .

30:31

No , anyway

30:35

, you're making it really hard to see any

30:37

like karmic value

30:39

from them going to jail .

30:42

Epstein , the musical . This

30:45

is included .

30:48

Fuck no .

30:49

On that note .

30:51

Yeah , like overall we are

30:53

. I highly recommend the

30:55

Angkor , I think , if you love tragic

30:58

movies similar

31:01

to the Wrestler by Darren Aronofsky

31:03

, or if or

31:05

the Whale , another very similar

31:07

type of film . Like these depressing

31:10

movies , but also there's

31:12

a shining light at the end of the tunnel and

31:14

I think that the iron claw

31:17

has something for everyone . Wrestling

31:20

fans are obviously going to come to it to want to

31:22

see wrestling history , but

31:24

they'll also be entertained

31:26

by the great chemistry between

31:29

all these actors , the hard hitting performances

31:31

by Zac Efron and Jeremy

31:35

Alan White , yes , and

31:38

solid visual storytelling

31:40

.

31:41

But , he was Lance from Eric .

31:44

Oh , so he is an actual

31:46

wrestler .

31:47

I don't , but he was in it .

31:50

He , he was playing a backup wrestler

31:52

.

31:53

OK .

31:54

Oh , that's the guy that played Ric Flair .

31:57

He does not look like him at all .

31:58

No , he doesn't .

31:59

They did really well Aaron Dean

32:01

Dean .

32:02

They just put a wig on him .

32:04

Yeah , oh , he does have muscles . That's

32:07

real cool . Dick

32:10

Harrison yeah , david , and

32:12

Mike

32:14

Fenarex , danny Simmons .

32:16

Oh , the chick from Lyle Lyle was in this movie

32:18

. Which chick , that chick .

32:20

Oh , that's the mum . That's the mum from Lyle Lyle Dores

32:22

. Oh shit , and they even recognize

32:24

her . Anyway , one

32:27

to five , what would you ? What score would you give the

32:29

iron claw ? Four and a half

32:31

.

32:33

Only thing was similar to you I felt

32:35

like the ending just lacked a

32:37

real punch , and

32:40

I asked me first .

32:40

I was going to say the exact same thing , Dick .

32:44

Yeah , there was something about that ending that

32:46

just didn't leave me completely satisfied

32:48

. But the more we

32:50

talk about it , the more I'm like oh , this part

32:53

was really good too , and this part like

32:55

. So I know , overall it was

32:57

a great movie , and I

33:01

just didn't see myself going back to it , though Like

33:05

maybe one other time

33:07

, to really analyze things

33:09

at the start and see what I missed .

33:12

Yeah , because , like , everything we talked about now is like , oh

33:14

yeah , cool , you're saying things that I didn't realize . Like the moment

33:16

with a camera would go out of focus . Those

33:19

little bits is like cool , I didn't even notice it . I'm keen to see

33:21

that now . I'd love to go to see it again

33:23

, not in a cinema , I'll probably wait for it to come on streaming

33:25

, so it's anything .

33:26

I'm more interested in

33:29

seeing the real life footage of

33:31

like how the fuck was Keri

33:33

Von Erich wrestling with one foot

33:35

? What did he look like in real

33:37

life ? Or what did Kevin Von Erich look like

33:39

? What did all three of them look like when they would wrestle

33:42

in the sportatorium in Texas

33:44

, like in this three way matches

33:46

and stuff like that ? That's what I'm more

33:48

interested in .

33:50

So question actually see , if you know

33:52

it . By the way , why is it Kevin

33:55

Von Erich , keri Von Erich , david

33:57

Von Erich , mike Von Erich and whatever

34:00

the youngest brother said that early ? Who's

34:03

Lance from Eric ? Why is it a different name ?

34:06

I don't know he

34:08

was playing like a backup wrestler or some

34:10

shit , so he must just be like

34:12

a less

34:14

important character . He

34:17

was only like in one scene .

34:19

Yeah , but it's the same name .

34:21

Yeah , I don't know , maybe he's a cousin or

34:23

some shit . He's actually

34:25

a really good wrestler .

34:27

That's what Jacob Friedman .

34:29

Yeah , he's a fucking great bad guy

34:31

.

34:31

Okay .

34:32

Yeah , you should watch his stuff . It's hilarious . What

34:35

was your final rating ?

34:36

I would very similar to what you were saying

34:38

. Give it a four and a half out of five . Pretty

34:41

good , pretty damn near perfection , because I thought it was

34:43

actually a lot of really , really , really

34:46

fucking good material in the movie Absolutely

34:49

brilliant . Only

34:51

thing I would say it did leave me a little bit of

34:54

a sour taste the very end , like

34:56

I was saying before those kids , that

34:59

final lines . It just was not necessary . The

35:02

final scene between the mom and the dad , doris

35:04

and Fritz , is so

35:07

good because it sets you to think

35:09

and realize , now that we're talking

35:11

about it , what that scene actually

35:13

meant . It sets

35:16

you to think , it sets you up to continue

35:19

to think about the message of the movie , whereas

35:21

the

35:23

final

35:25

scene between four Kevin , which

35:28

is the main character , leading , leading

35:30

character of the whole movie , is

35:32

chewed out . It

35:34

just chewed and surf

35:36

to you on a silver platter of like

35:38

it's okay , dad , everyone

35:41

cries . It's like

35:43

, yeah , if , if , if

35:46

the kid didn't just say that but he just

35:48

hugged his dad and gave that

35:50

acceptance through his

35:52

just just accepting that

35:54

from who ? He is not wiping the tears away , it's letting it

35:56

be and the kids is loving him regardless

35:59

of it and accepting and being proud of that , that , regardless

36:01

of him crying or not , that

36:04

would set you to think . It's like , oh , I

36:07

could actually think about that and be like fuck , that was good , I

36:09

can see that and then we'll be at an open

36:11

ending and it gives you something to talk about because

36:14

it's in silence . It is story

36:16

told through behavior and not just through

36:18

the words , because the behavior told the story

36:21

and the words just left it with a sour taste

36:23

. But for the rest , I don't

36:25

change or take out anything or add anything

36:27

out of the movie . Getting it , stepping

36:29

into it not knowing anything

36:31

about it , only knowing that Zac Efron looks

36:33

like he man and that he put on some muscle and looks like

36:35

a beast . And then , two seconds before the movie , you

36:37

told me that Jeremy Allen Widerson from the bear , not

36:41

knowing he was going to be jacked up , just like that , I

36:44

caught on to what the movie is about real quick

36:46

. Like I was saying before , I love that when that happens

36:48

in a movie . And then the twist

36:51

and the turns and the demise of the family . It was just so

36:53

well done . Not knowing anything prior to it , I

36:56

would give it a five out of five out of five stars

36:58

if the kids were just to

37:00

be told to shut the fuck up .

37:04

So this is what I'm getting right . This

37:06

is Addie's magical ending

37:08

that he wanted . The father , kevin

37:11

, is crying by himself . The

37:13

two children come up what's wrong

37:15

, daddy ? And he pile

37:18

drives both of them through

37:20

giant tables , flaming tables

37:22

, and

37:30

then you would be on the line . Shut the fuck

37:32

up , that's what you were .

37:34

Masculinity ? Yeah , no

37:37

, look , I wouldn't change much . It's literally the

37:39

small little thing that comes to me . What's going on ? That

37:41

he tells that same story that he

37:43

was saying , because I thought it was really touching , it was really

37:46

nice , and then the kids just didn't say anything

37:48

afterwards instead of saying it's OK , daddy , everybody

37:50

cries . Now just shut up , give

37:53

him a hug and just let him sit there in his

37:55

emotions and tears and give him that acceptance and love .

37:57

Maybe he could have said to them shut up

37:59

and just give me anything

38:02

to make those children shut up like

38:04

honestly really have it in for these children

38:06

. Fucking hate you now You'd

38:09

love Jurassic Park because children are just

38:11

constantly in danger the part in shreds . Not

38:15

, not on camera . Well

38:17

, they don't like , like . They're constantly in

38:19

danger of being annihilated

38:21

by dinosaurs . Love it and

38:24

screaming like as it almost

38:27

slaughtered .

38:28

So it sounds like your kind of movie . Epstein

38:32

the musical is going to be .

38:34

Why are you bringing that back . People

38:36

are just going to be like why the fuck do you keep

38:38

randomly bringing up Epstein , the musical oh

38:41

?

38:41

shit , you're going to cut that out , right ? I ?

38:42

don't know , I don't know . No one listens

38:45

, so I don't care yeah

38:48

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39:01

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