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Welcome to MuggleCast, your weekly ride into

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the Wizarding World fandom. I'm Andrew. I'm

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Eric. I'm Micah. And I'm Laura.

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In this week's episode, your Harry Potter friends

1:39

will be getting sloshed and gossiping

1:41

inside the three broomsticks as we discuss

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Chapter 10 of Prisoner of Azkaban,

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the Marauder's Map. I

1:48

didn't write that. I think Micah did. But it is a

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very big chapter. This is a big chapter.

1:53

Why do you naturally assume that

1:55

it was me? Well, I will just say I feel

1:57

awkward sometimes introing.

1:59

with somebody else's script because I

2:03

don't want to steal your work. We can work

2:05

together next time so

2:07

you feel a little bit more comfortable. Oh,

2:10

I was comfortable. I liked

2:12

it. Are we really able to get sloshed

2:14

and gossip in the three broomsticks because we

2:17

did not get our permission slip signed? Well,

2:19

we can just hide behind a Christmas tree that

2:21

one of the four of us can move in front of us and

2:23

I think we'll be okay. Okay.

2:25

It is a morning for

2:27

all of us, but I suppose

2:30

it is five o'clock somewhere. Probably

2:32

in London. Probably there. Yeah.

2:35

Yeah. Four o'clock. By

2:37

the time we're finished with that episode, it'll be five o'clock

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All right. Well,

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without further ado, let's jump into chapter by chapter. And like

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I said, we are discussing chapter 10 of Prisoner

5:32

of Azkaban, the Marauder's Map. And

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we'll start, as always, with our

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little mini game here, the seven

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word summary. Secrets

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are

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divulged via

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professors, drinking.

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Butterbeer. Okay. All

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right. They're

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not actually drinking butter beer, but we're trying

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to keep this family friendly here, you know? Oh.

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What are they drinking? Need and. Gilly

6:08

water. Oh, Gilly water

6:11

is the most scandalous drink of all. McGonagall

6:13

really. Hagrid got four

6:16

tankards, I think, of what

6:18

he was drinking. Yeah. He's

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a big guy. Yeah. Yeah, he can

6:22

handle it. I wanna remind everybody, especially

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patrons, you have the opportunity to

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vote on all of our seven-word

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wonderful. So please tell us what

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you think of this week's, which I loved.

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I thought that was great. I actually like this one a

7:03

lot and maybe my favorite

7:04

of the third book so

7:06

far. This is my favorite chapter of the third

7:09

book so far. And in fact, I think

7:11

this is one of the best chapters of all

7:13

of the books, if not the best, if not

7:15

my top one. Things

7:17

really take a turn in

7:19

this chapter.

7:20

This is when stuff starts getting real,

7:23

I think. Real, yep. Well, let's get to

7:25

it here. And I will say I really enjoyed

7:28

being on the Marauders map. I know

7:30

that's the title of this chapter, but if

7:32

you go to Harry Potter, the exhibition

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in New York City, you will get the chance

7:37

to pop up on the map as well. That's fun.

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And I will end my plugs for the exhibition

7:43

there. So this chapter

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starts off with Harry

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still in the hospital wing. And

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we learned in the last chapter that his

7:53

Nimbus 2000 has been completely

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shattered.

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Harry, however, cannot

8:00

seem to let it go. He's

8:03

holding onto it. He's sleeping with it every

8:05

night. That's so sweet. I

8:08

was wondering, did we have a

8:10

similar experience growing up where

8:12

we held onto something for so long,

8:15

despite it being damaged, or maybe

8:17

it got really old

8:19

and ragged because it meant something

8:22

to us, because it had value. And clearly

8:24

Harry's Nimbus 2000 means

8:27

a lot to him. It was

8:29

his really introduction

8:32

into Quidditch. And it was a gift from

8:34

somebody who,

8:35

you know, probably doesn't get as much shine as

8:38

she should. Yeah, I mean, I think growing up, we

8:40

had stuffed animals that we would cling

8:42

onto. At least I would. I had a Barney,

8:44

the dinosaur stuffed animal. I was absolutely

8:47

obsessed with. I actually still have that stuffed animal.

8:50

My parents made sure we held onto

8:52

that. A broom is a funny thing to like,

8:55

you said hold onto at night, right? Like

8:57

sleep with at night. I was embellishing

8:59

a little bit. Oh, I don't think he did that.

9:02

Yeah, I forgotten that.

9:04

Maybe I should take that vibrating broomstick and

9:07

try to sleep with it one night and see how it goes.

9:09

Oh yeah, really try and feel how Harry felt. Cuddle

9:12

with it. Battery's off. I don't want it to

9:14

like explode in the middle of the night or something. This

9:17

brings to mind, like I had childhood

9:21

blankets that I was wrapped in as an infant, which

9:23

were then comfort blankets as a kid growing

9:26

up. And I slept with those under my pillow long

9:28

since, I mean, I think at one point they just

9:29

turned to dust. But

9:32

they certainly were very ragged and I had

9:34

a sentimental attachment to them as

9:37

a result of that. I think lots of kids carry

9:39

blankets and things like that. But

9:41

for me, there were years where

9:43

I didn't carry them, but they were still under my

9:45

pillow safely. And I just felt

9:48

comfort, I guess, when thinking about them,

9:50

like trying to remember what my feelings were, but yeah, largely

9:52

comfort just knowing they were there. Yeah, I'll

9:54

say as an adult, I still have

9:56

an approximately

9:59

six. 60-year-old stuffed animal that

10:02

belonged to my mom when she

10:04

was a kid. She

10:06

gave it to me when I was little. It's a little

10:08

stuffed animal dog. And

10:10

the thing is practically disintegrating. Like

10:14

it lost an eye. It

10:16

has an ear falling off. It

10:18

has a hole in the belly and the fluff

10:20

is coming out. But I have no intention

10:23

of throwing it out. There's too much nostalgia

10:26

going on there. Sentimental

10:29

value. Yeah, exactly. So

10:31

his name is his droopy. Droopy.

10:34

You know, very appropriate for his current state.

10:37

Set him

10:37

up for success with that name. He's

10:39

going to live forever. Droopy. So

10:43

he'll live on my on my

10:46

dresser for the

10:48

rest of his days. You

10:50

should take him to Al of Al's Toy

10:52

Barn in Toy Story 2

10:54

to restore him. What a reference.

10:57

I was going to say, Laurie, you can.

11:00

Maybe even surprise your mom. I know Mother's

11:02

Day has just passed, but like there have

11:04

got to be places that will like rejuvenate him, fill

11:06

him with stuffing. It's exactly that sequence,

11:08

Andrew. That like warms my heart so much that

11:11

making him. It's a good sequence. Yeah.

11:14

Yeah, it's so good. And quick correction.

11:16

It wasn't Al who personally restored him, but

11:18

he brought him to that old guy who did the restoration.

11:21

I just, it's coming back. You can't rush

11:23

art. Well, this took a really

11:26

great turn. I wasn't expecting that

11:28

we would figure out the future of droopy

11:31

on this episode of Muggle Cast back

11:33

to the chapter here, which

11:35

we've said is very big. And yet we're taking lots

11:38

of detailers already. Harry's experience

11:40

also reminded me of like

11:43

if we lost something as a kid, just like

11:45

we misplaced it and never found it again. I'm

11:48

still upset that when I was

11:50

a young boy, I lost my Game Boy

11:52

pocket and everything with the

11:54

games, the carrying case. I don't know what happened

11:57

to it. Maybe it was stolen.

11:59

would have been stolen. But I was so upset,

12:02

because I was obsessed with that thing as a kid and all my games

12:04

gone, it was just like devastating. And

12:06

I looked for it so hard. I kind of had a couple

12:09

theories where it would be, looked and looked

12:11

and looked, could never find it again. And yeah,

12:13

it was very sad. I didn't get another one until like

12:15

the next gen Game Boy came out. So I was

12:17

like reeling from that for a really

12:19

long time. This sounds like something my parents

12:21

would have done if they thought I was playing too much

12:24

Game Boy. No, really though, like- Lost.

12:27

Yeah, lost.

12:28

I wasn't a kid, but I misplaced

12:31

an iPhone once. And it was my life,

12:33

you know, at the time it was my 3GS. And

12:37

I was at a supermarket and I just

12:39

like

12:40

sat down on break and stood up and it

12:42

was gone. I couldn't find it, went to customer

12:44

service, the whole thing for days circled the

12:46

parking lot. Look, they keep checking back

12:49

with, so did anybody turn this in, that

12:51

kind of a thing? And it was just gone.

12:53

And that was before like find

12:56

my iPhone and all this other stuff could be like

12:58

activated normally and pay like a hundred dollars for it. So

13:00

I didn't.

13:01

And yeah, very sad. You

13:04

just feel like part of you is gone, which

13:06

is how Harry feels about his Nimbus.

13:09

I like how on one end of the spectrum, we

13:12

have a stuffed animal and the other end it's technological

13:15

devices in Game Boy's iPhones.

13:18

Is that sad? I guess that's probably sad, but-

13:20

No. I don't think it's sad. The thing is

13:23

you pour your life into it, you know? Yeah. Parts

13:25

of you.

13:26

You do. Well, along

13:28

those lines though, I think if we bring

13:30

it back to Harry, his

13:32

Nimbus 2000 is really one of the first

13:35

magical devices that

13:37

he receives. And

13:40

it's a representation of something that he's really

13:42

good at in the magical

13:45

world. And, you know, it talks a little bit

13:47

later on in the chapter about how he's flying kind

13:49

of one of the old broomsticks in the cupboard

13:51

for Quidditch practice. And I think

13:55

what he inevitably learns is it's not

13:57

necessarily about the broom.

15:59

this? Why doesn't somebody just say, Raparo

16:02

on this? We've seen how that works.

16:05

And it just makes me wonder if there's

16:07

something so particular about the magic

16:10

of broomsticks that when

16:12

a broomstick is broken,

16:14

sort of like irreparably shattered

16:17

into pieces, would

16:20

reconstructing it maybe

16:22

be possible, but perhaps

16:24

the integrity of the magic

16:27

that allows that broom to fly safely

16:30

is compromised at that point. Something

16:33

like that, that extra piece

16:36

of information, I think would make

16:38

this easier to swallow. It's

16:41

a good point. From a reader's

16:43

perspective, and that's, I

16:45

don't know if we want to declare canon on

16:47

that, but that's my headcanon.

16:48

I like it.

16:51

And I say this becomes canon. We have

16:53

two votes to declare Laura's theory canon.

16:56

Do I hear a third? I could go with that.

16:58

That's three. Sorry, Micah, your vote doesn't matter

17:00

now. I declare

17:03

canon. It's

17:05

just like elections.

17:08

Anyway, for some reason, the

17:10

sound effects seem to cut out for me, but that's

17:12

okay. I would have voted for it anyway. I like

17:15

Laura's suggestion here. I appreciate

17:18

your confidence. So the broomstick isn't

17:20

the only thing that is damaged here

17:22

in the hospital wing. Harry is

17:24

going through some tough

17:26

times himself, not just from the

17:29

physical side of things, but also from

17:32

the mental side of things. He's

17:34

kind of replaying

17:36

over and over, seeing the grim,

17:40

and the effect that the Dementors

17:42

have had on him. And it's really

17:44

a situation where they're playing

17:47

mind games with Harry. And I

17:49

thought that Harry comes across as really

17:52

isolated here, much like he

17:54

is in Order of the Phoenix, because

17:56

he's experiencing something that makes him

17:59

feel different. and to a

18:01

larger extent, lesser than by comparison

18:03

to his fellow students. He doesn't feel

18:05

as if he can confide

18:07

the truth in anybody and he says as much.

18:10

It's hard to see Harry go through this.

18:13

He wants to talk

18:15

to somebody, but he even says he hasn't confided

18:17

in Ron and Hermione yet about this.

18:20

I mean, he's about to have somebody he can confide

18:23

in, which I think is one of the most tender moments

18:25

maybe in this book. It's

18:28

another example of many moments of

18:30

isolation. Like if we're looking

18:32

to parallels and

18:34

ring theory, if you're looking to five

18:36

when he's really isolated

18:39

there too. Yeah, there's

18:41

certain journeys Harry has to go on

18:43

on his own. I think it fortunately,

18:46

the answer is like coming soon, but

18:49

he does tend to isolate himself, especially

18:51

because like even though Hermione and him both had

18:53

Muggle upbringings, his was way worse, obviously.

18:56

And there's some points, it's not a failing of Ron's

18:58

that he can't like

19:00

comprehend, but Harry

19:01

just feels

19:04

as we all do, no matter how many friends we

19:06

have or how close we are with them.

19:09

At the end of the day, we're inside our own head

19:11

more than anything. And I think this is

19:14

a good way of like, especially when you're a teenager

19:16

and you're insecure anyway, maybe this

19:19

is like the beginning of Harry's

19:21

sort of coming of age and teen angst is that he

19:23

worries about himself more than he has in the past.

19:26

I mean, think about the contrast between this and last

19:28

year. Last year, he's like, am I the heir

19:30

of Slytherin? Can I trust the sorting hat?

19:33

He had to deal with that and the bullying for years

19:35

or like the whole year. But this

19:37

time, it's like, I fainted,

19:40

I wasn't able, I wasn't capable.

19:42

And he's almost even like harder on himself,

19:44

even though it lasts a much shorter time.

19:47

Oh, and you add the element of

19:49

him worrying about the grim. And is

19:51

he going to have to spend his entire life

19:53

looking over his shoulder? Yeah, being

19:55

afraid that it's going to follow him

19:58

until he dies. I mean, that's a. definite

20:00

element in here too. For

20:02

sure. It's one of those things where,

20:04

as you were saying, Andrew, you can look

20:07

at Harry self-isolating in

20:09

this book, but in Order of the Phoenix, he's

20:11

really isolated by Dumbledore

20:14

and

20:14

by extension Ron and Hermione because

20:16

they're taking their direction from Dumbledore,

20:19

at least early on. So we

20:22

do have that theme of isolation running through

20:25

both of these books. You also mentioned

20:28

there's really a tender moment

20:30

between Harry and Lupin. If

20:33

we're to go back a couple of chapters, I think

20:36

they started their mentor-mentee

20:38

relationship

20:40

during the first trip to

20:42

Hogsmeade.

20:45

Lupin is now back in class

20:47

after his episode.

20:50

He's looking a little skittish. He's

20:53

not looking his best. But actually

20:56

one thing that I don't have here that I did want to call

20:58

out was the students were very

21:01

vocal about their substitute teacher

21:03

for defense against the Dark Arts.

21:06

I got to give it up for Lupin being willing to say, well,

21:08

don't worry about your homework. I will talk to Snape.

21:11

I wonder how that's going to go. That is pretty bold.

21:13

Yeah. And I mean, Snape was doing

21:15

us doing him a solid, not just by

21:18

making the potion, but also filling in

21:20

for him. And then to cancel that homework assignment

21:23

is I don't know if I agree

21:26

with that. I guess on the other hand, he

21:28

wants to cancel the assignment because it's

21:30

basically about him.

21:31

Right.

21:33

Yeah. As we established, Snape is

21:35

trying to out him. But

21:37

I think it also raises the question of, OK,

21:40

who's going to grade this assignment? Snape

21:42

assigned it while Lupin was out, but Lupin's

21:44

back now. Are we really to

21:46

believe that Snape wants this

21:49

entire class to bring him these essays

21:51

that he then has to independently grade

21:54

on top of all of

21:56

his other work? I don't think Snape

21:59

ever intended for this to be a quote,

22:02

real assignment. I think he's

22:04

just trying to out-loop him. He's being petty.

22:06

Yeah, I can see if he does grade

22:08

everyone's essays that they do submit them, he

22:11

would tell them all the things they missed.

22:14

Like just to further

22:16

out, further trying out-loop him, that's

22:18

awful. Yeah, and he would like emphasize

22:21

things that are particularly

22:24

relevant to loop in, I feel. Because

22:26

I'm sure just like anything, there

22:30

are probably signs and symptoms that

22:33

some werewolves experience more

22:35

than others.

22:37

So I could definitely see Snape harping

22:39

on some of those points to drive it home.

22:42

Such a jerk. What a guy. What a

22:44

guy. Ultimately, Snape

22:47

accomplishes what he set out to do from this

22:49

moment forward. Hermione does know

22:51

that

22:52

loop in is wolf. Important to note

22:54

that she in fact did her homework and

22:56

it was already done. Surprise, surprise.

22:59

What a shocker. But much like

23:01

later on in the chapter, this part

23:03

of the chapter is a major info

23:06

dump.

23:06

So looping gives us

23:09

information about the mentors,

23:12

about as command. And

23:14

we also get two really important

23:16

reactions that are easy to miss.

23:19

One is to a mention of Lily, the

23:21

other is to a mention of Sirius, but

23:23

I think

23:25

let's start with the mentors and

23:27

loop in tells us that the mentors

23:30

are amongst the foulest creatures that walk

23:32

this earth. They infest the darkest,

23:34

filthiest places. They glory

23:37

and decay and despair. They drain

23:39

peace, hope and happiness out

23:41

of the air around them. Harry is

23:44

still searching for answers as to why

23:46

the dementors affect him over

23:49

really anybody else. Now we're not saying that the

23:51

dementors don't have an impact. I'm

23:53

sure that other students, professors

23:56

feel their presence, but Harry more

23:58

so than anybody is.

23:59

really being impacted here. Yeah,

24:02

and Harry presses Lupin. He says, why

24:05

did they affect me this badly? And

24:07

then Lupin says, and this is where the

24:09

tender moment really is, Lupin

24:12

says, it has nothing to do with weakness.

24:14

The dementors affect you worse than the others

24:16

because there are horrors in your past that the others

24:18

don't have. And right

24:21

after this, the next line just

24:23

goes, a ray of wintery sunlight

24:26

fell across the classroom, illuminating

24:28

Lupin's gray hairs and the lines on his

24:30

young face. And I felt like what

24:33

Lupin just says kind of hangs there for

24:35

an extra moment. I love that there's kind of a beat

24:37

to pause to reflect on that.

24:39

That's why I find this such a tender

24:42

and really nice moment. And

24:44

I think it's also important for Harry

24:47

because he's like, oh, wow, okay,

24:49

good explanation. But also he gets me. He

24:52

knows I've been through a lot. And I think

24:54

that was probably a very validating

24:56

moment for him. And in this

24:58

moment, we see a relationship between the two

25:00

forming. Yeah, and it says something

25:02

about Lupin that he has Harry's

25:04

confidence in this way because Harry came straight

25:07

out with his insecurity. He was able to say, why

25:09

do they affect me more?

25:11

It's been on his mind, but he's

25:13

the person that Harry asks, not

25:16

at all expecting kind of the response,

25:19

which Lupin thoroughly prevents

25:21

Harry from feeling bad about it. But

25:23

yeah,

25:24

it's real good stuff.

25:26

And I think that's what allows Harry

25:28

to really open up and

25:31

talk about how, what he's experiencing,

25:34

when the Dementors actually affect

25:36

him. The scream that he

25:38

has now figured out is

25:40

his mother from the night that

25:43

Voldemort killed his parents. And

25:45

when Harry confides this information to

25:47

Lupin, it says, Lupin made

25:49

a sudden motion with his arm as though he

25:51

had made to grip Harry's shoulder, but

25:53

thought better of it.

25:55

And I wondered, should we as

25:57

readers have read more into this moment?

26:00

than just a concerned professor for a student.

26:02

Again, I think this book does a really

26:05

good job of

26:08

throwing us off the scent because

26:10

Lupin is established from the very

26:12

start of this book is someone who has

26:15

a really high

26:17

EQ, is extremely

26:19

empathetic and cares about his

26:22

students, their wellbeing, their education,

26:25

their practical abilities to do

26:28

defense against the dark arts. So

26:30

this is very much in character

26:32

of a professor like that.

26:35

So I don't think that we're intended

26:37

to read more into

26:40

this than what it says on the page.

26:43

But to your point, Micah,

26:46

this chapter is such an info dump and

26:49

we get so many pieces of

26:51

the puzzle of this mystery

26:54

in this chapter. In this

26:56

same conversation, when

26:58

they sort of turned to talking about Harry's

27:01

broomstick, Lupin mentions

27:03

that the Whomping Willow was planted the year he

27:06

came to Hogwarts.

27:06

Yep, huge hint.

27:09

We don't get the why, but we

27:11

know the when. Just a coincidence.

27:13

Right, you add that in with knowing

27:16

that Hermione finished the essay, so she

27:18

knows Lupin's secret. A

27:20

little bit later on in the chapter, we find

27:23

out about Harry and Sirius, or

27:25

excuse me, James and Sirius being

27:27

best friends in the same chapter

27:30

as Harry gets the Marauder's Map.

27:33

And just to add to that, the secret

27:35

passage under the Whomping Willow, that there is one,

27:38

that it goes to Hogsmeade. Hmm, here

27:40

are the puzzle pieces. Uh-huh, it's

27:43

all here. We just have to put it

27:45

together. Yeah.

27:46

But I often wonder

27:49

why Lupin in that moment didn't comfort

27:51

Harry. Do we think it's

27:53

just his own insecurity?

27:55

Boundaries, maybe, that

27:57

he's set with himself. Yeah. And

28:00

maybe he's not ready to come clean with

28:02

the truth about his past relationship,

28:05

both with Lily and with James.

28:07

That's the other thing,

28:09

I think as far as, because Lupin

28:11

probably also has a great deal of guilt for

28:13

being James and Lily's friend and not being

28:16

able to protect them.

28:17

Maybe he's hardened himself

28:19

for not seeing that Sirius was a bad

28:21

person, et cetera, et cetera. Like

28:24

maybe the reason that he's preventing himself from Harry

28:26

is due to guilt. Maybe

28:29

Dumbledore said, don't give him too much information

28:31

too. So he could be withholding. We know

28:34

Dumbledore likes to withhold and wait for

28:36

this certain time. I mean, if you

28:38

were just to have like completely let

28:40

everything out right here, what does that

28:42

do to Harry in this moment too? I think he's

28:45

also trying to protect him like Dumbledore.

28:47

But what better moment than Harry,

28:49

I understand Harry's very vulnerable

28:51

in this moment, but he's also being very

28:54

candid with Lupin. He's opening up to

28:56

him about something

28:58

that I don't think he's spoken with anybody else

29:00

about to this point. Well, and

29:02

I think it's in the previous scene that we had

29:04

with Lupin where he came across him

29:06

during Lupin's like convalescence, but

29:09

Harry was gonna mention the dog and he didn't.

29:12

And that absolutely

29:14

would have piqued Lupin's

29:16

interest and shown Lupin that there

29:18

was an active

29:21

presence that's trying to seek Harry out

29:23

and he would know who.

29:25

It's funny what little,

29:28

who has the pieces of the puzzle and

29:30

who doesn't.

29:31

Eric, I'm glad you mentioned the

29:34

dog because

29:36

Sirius is brought up in this conversation

29:38

between Harry

29:39

and Lupin. And

29:42

what's talked about is how in fact

29:44

Sirius could have gotten past

29:47

the Dementors. And the first

29:49

mention of Sirius though,

29:51

it's noted that Lupin's briefcase slipped

29:54

from the desk. He had to stoop quickly

29:56

to catch it. And

29:59

to Laura's point. earlier, this is one

30:01

of those

30:02

blink and you'll miss it type of moments

30:05

and maybe

30:08

a misdirective sorts where, oh, Lupin,

30:10

he's looking a little ragged. He

30:13

dropped his briefcase, not paying

30:15

attention to what Harry's saying. But.

30:19

We can read much more into this.

30:21

We certainly can. Do

30:24

you think Lupin intentionally

30:26

bumped his briefcase so it would fall

30:28

off his desk and kind of create a distraction

30:31

in the conversation so he could be like, oh,

30:33

excuse me. See, yeah, I

30:36

mean, you would think he could keep it together a little

30:39

better than this. So, yeah, it

30:41

could very well be on purpose. Yeah, I

30:43

think we're meant to believe

30:45

that Lupin has a really good idea

30:47

of how Sirius is getting past the

30:50

two mentors. He's just not willing to share the information,

30:53

which speaks to the bond of

30:55

the marauders,

30:57

which I know we're going to talk more about. And I

30:59

think it's important to note,

31:02

I can't recall a chapter before now

31:04

where the four marauders are

31:07

mentioned by name, but

31:09

we obviously don't know that they are the marauders

31:11

yet. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Right.

31:15

Because we're spending time with Remus here.

31:18

Sirius is mentioned and then James

31:20

and Peter are mentioned later on in the chapter. What

31:23

better chapter than the marauders map to

31:25

include all four? Oh, that's

31:27

so good. We do

31:29

also get some more information about Azkaban.

31:32

We've obviously heard about it in

31:35

prior books, but Lupin lets

31:37

us know that it is a fortress set

31:39

on a tiny island way out to see. But

31:42

they don't need walls and waters to keep the prisoners

31:44

in, not when they're all trapped inside their

31:46

own heads, incapable

31:48

of a single cheerful thought.

31:51

Most of them go mad within weeks.

31:53

That sounds cheery. Yeah,

31:56

it makes me wonder if

31:58

Azkaban is too harsh.

31:59

punishment, honestly, there's

32:01

like no middle ground. And I'm curious,

32:04

actually,

32:05

do all criminals go to Ask a Man?

32:08

Because if you shoplift,

32:10

that seems like a tough

32:13

go

32:15

of it to have to spend a couple

32:18

weeks with a dementor for doing that.

32:20

I mean, we've all shoplifted here, right? Whoa.

32:24

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

32:26

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I will save that for-

32:28

I'll take that as a yes. For a bonus, mother

32:30

of a- For a bonus. I

32:32

will say, if you compare Ask a Man to

32:35

other penal places

32:38

in the wizarding world that we know about,

32:41

mostly from Fantastic Beasts, you

32:43

have the one beneath Makusa where

32:45

there's like that goop

32:46

that's gonna seriously harm

32:48

you. And then you have like the Gulag

32:51

thing that Newton Deasius

32:53

have to escape from with the giant

32:55

manticore is it? So

32:57

none of them are very good. And

33:00

Nermangard, which we see in Secrets

33:02

of Dumbledore. Yeah. Yeah.

33:05

So all the prisons are just horrible

33:08

and

33:08

primitive, I guess. Yeah. It's

33:11

extremely medieval. And

33:14

to your point, Eric, there's just

33:16

no middle ground here. It seems

33:19

like the wizarding world is not pro-rehabbing

33:23

people or maybe

33:26

giving people who deserve a second chance

33:28

a second chance. It

33:30

does raise the question of what happens

33:33

when you're a petty thief? If

33:35

you're a mondungus Fletcher, do you really

33:37

deserve to go to Azkaban? Is that

33:39

the right place for you? I

33:42

wonder if they just put people under house arrest

33:44

for anything like that. Oh, yeah.

33:47

Or add it to their record and

33:50

three strikes. Three strikes and then you go

33:52

to Azkaban. That's all correct.

33:55

So before this part of the chapter

33:57

wraps up, Lupin does

33:59

agree to-

33:59

to teach Harry how to fight off

34:02

the dementors. And I think

34:05

he begins to show a real level of trust

34:07

in Harry here, viewing him more

34:09

as being a peer

34:11

than as being a student. I

34:13

think they definitely, this is their second

34:15

kind of powwow in this book.

34:18

And you can tell that they're really connecting.

34:20

There's a clear, it's not just teacher

34:22

student. It goes beyond

34:25

that.

34:25

Yeah, Lupin feels bad clearly

34:28

that Harry

34:29

was feeling bad about himself.

34:32

And Lupin agrees to share

34:34

the knowledge of how to defeat dementor or how

34:36

to keep him at bay.

34:37

And it really makes me question, I

34:40

understand the Patronus lessons that are

34:42

coming are difficult for Harry and he doesn't

34:44

quite match them right away.

34:46

But certainly by the end of this book, he's

34:48

got it down pat and Harry in just two years

34:50

time is able to teach the entire

34:52

Dumbledore's army group how to do full

34:55

Patronuses. So it really raises

34:57

the question for me, if Lupin is, I

34:59

understand Lupin's like an above average teacher,

35:01

sure. But if Harry can do it under

35:04

Lupin's tutelage,

35:06

then how

35:08

difficult, it just continues

35:10

to astound adult wizards that Harry

35:12

can conjure a full Patronus. This

35:15

point is brought up multiple times, especially

35:18

in the Wisingamum meeting. But like,

35:21

I think

35:23

that it must mean that people just

35:25

haven't

35:25

taken the time en masse to learn

35:28

the Patronus charm for how helpful

35:30

it would be, because it

35:32

seems like if you have the

35:34

right knowledge, you really can do

35:37

this amazing thing and ward off these awful

35:39

creatures.

35:40

So yeah, it might be helpful, but how often

35:42

do people need this? Hopefully

35:45

never. Like sure, maybe

35:47

it's a good protective spell to

35:49

learn in school, I guess, but it's

35:51

also one maybe they don't wanna

35:53

think about,

35:54

whether it's the teachers or the students,

35:57

because it's such a like dark part

35:59

of the wizarding. Maybe they

36:01

just don't see it as a priority unless absolutely

36:03

necessary. I can see them shining away for darkness.

36:06

What they don't know is that

36:08

isn't this what

36:09

the author was hinting at was a form

36:12

of communication that

36:14

the Order of the Phoenix would have that's better than

36:16

the internet, she said, or comparable

36:18

to the internet. And it ended up being the messenger

36:21

function of Petronuses where you can send

36:23

them to your friends.

36:23

Oh, yeah. So

36:26

I feel like if the Wizarding World knew that they could

36:28

have instant messaging, they

36:30

would invest in learning and teaching that Petronus

36:33

charmed at people. To your point

36:35

though, Eric, wouldn't this have been a great

36:37

year to

36:38

teach students how to cast

36:41

a Petronus at all levels, just

36:44

given the fact that they have dementors floating around their school?

36:47

That's a great question. Yeah. Sounds

36:49

like a security nightmare to me. Well,

36:51

in the people of Hogsmeade, which we're going to get to in

36:53

a moment, Hogsmeade is regularly being

36:55

searched like actual dementors in

36:58

the village on

37:00

a nightly basis. So I

37:02

wonder if the residents there are taught

37:05

or offered to be taught

37:07

the Petronus charm.

37:08

Or they just have to go hide in their room with a lot

37:10

of light. What if one gets too close? They're

37:13

in serious trouble here. I think what they

37:15

do is they just have floodlights

37:18

down the main street in Hogsmeade, and at

37:20

a certain time they just turn on so all the dementors

37:22

run away. There you go. Honey Dukes is

37:24

about to run out of chocolate real fast.

37:26

Yeah, that's why they have to keep so much on hand.

37:29

I mean, we see the ministry

37:32

advisory telling people to

37:35

be home by

37:37

dark because that's when the dementors

37:39

are searching. So the ministry is basically saying,

37:42

hey,

37:43

do all your business during the daytime. Best

37:46

way to stay safe is to stay home. Starting

37:48

to sound like a security nightmare.

37:51

Security nightmare. It's a solution

37:53

that's not a solution. It's very fudge. It's like,

37:56

oh, just don't go outside in the place where you live.

37:59

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So let's move into the second

39:46

part of this big chapter.

39:49

And this is just

39:52

one of the more fun

39:54

moments I think in this book

39:56

in particular. And Harry

39:59

once again, unable to go

40:02

to Hogsmeade. It is Christmas time.

40:05

How dare the professors

40:07

not let Harry go? Talk about really

40:09

messing with his mental health. You'd

40:12

think they would have come up with a solution

40:14

by now to get him to

40:16

Hogsmeade,

40:17

especially because later on

40:19

in this chapter, we see how many professors

40:21

sitting around the table at the

40:24

three broomsticks. They couldn't have accompanied

40:26

him. Come on. Yeah. Let Harry sit

40:28

with the three or four of you and chat

40:31

about what you're talking about. Clearly, they can

40:34

unwind. That won't be a mental health nightmare. Yeah.

40:38

But income Fred and George

40:41

to provide Harry with the Marauder's

40:44

map.

40:45

And this actually reminded

40:47

me of the last chapter when they

40:50

were visiting Harry,

40:52

talking him up, making him feel really good about

40:55

himself. It's clear that Fred and George

40:57

have a strong relationship with

40:59

Harry that

41:00

they almost see him like a brother.

41:02

And

41:03

to me, this is one of those moments

41:06

where it really comes through. Yeah,

41:08

I like

41:10

the love that they show Harry

41:12

in this chapter by doing this. They they're giving

41:15

up something that

41:16

they will no longer have so that

41:18

because Harry's need is greater than theirs. What

41:20

amazing insight. And they don't really

41:22

need it anymore. They know the school well. Look,

41:25

I mean, I still give them credit, but like they

41:27

could probably borrow it from Harry if they wanted to.

41:29

It's not like they're totally parting with it never

41:32

to see it again. You know. Yeah.

41:34

Yeah. I think the type

41:36

of tactics that like what Fred and George

41:38

would have used the map for their usefulness

41:41

is gone. They aren't looking to

41:43

see where someone in particular

41:45

is at any given

41:46

moment

41:47

anymore. Like say they wanted to prank

41:49

somebody. I was thinking of them throwing snowballs

41:51

at Quirrell in year one. Like maybe

41:53

they use the map to like find where

41:56

Quirrell was to go and do that. But largely

41:58

their antics are over.

41:59

They already know how to go to the kitchens. They already

42:02

know where all the passageways are.

42:05

It's true that Harry right now is

42:08

in need of something like this, and they themselves

42:11

just aren't anymore.

42:13

I think it goes beyond the fact

42:15

that they're thinking of Harry,

42:17

and that they know that he's in a situation

42:19

where he's going through a tough time,

42:22

right? As I said, they just visited him in the hospital

42:24

wing. He's just getting out. He can't

42:26

go to Hogsmeade for the holidays with Ron

42:28

and Hermione. It's the thoughtfulness

42:31

factor that Fred and George think, hey,

42:33

we can help Harry out.

42:37

But the question begs, is

42:39

this a reckless decision as we see Fred

42:41

and George make many a time,

42:43

or is it just helping a friend in

42:45

need?

42:46

I don't see what's dangerous about it. I mean, it's

42:48

a map. Sure, it shows

42:50

all the passageways and it shows you where everybody

42:53

is, but I

42:54

think it's more dangerous for other people,

42:57

not the actual user of it.

42:59

Unless it's also not healthy to

43:02

know where everybody is at all times. Mm,

43:04

interesting. I'm looking at my Snap

43:07

map right now. I know. Pulling

43:10

up that Find My Friends app. Yeah, I don't

43:12

share my location anywhere, and

43:14

I would encourage people to do the

43:16

same.

43:17

Yeah, well, even if you

43:19

don't share your location,

43:22

we could have a whole conversation about smartphones,

43:25

right? But I think

43:28

just keeping in mind the context

43:31

of what Harry just dealt with last

43:33

year with Tom Riddle's diary,

43:37

being one of those objects that Mr. Weasley

43:40

mentions, you shouldn't trust anything that

43:42

can think for itself. If you can't see where

43:44

it keeps its brain.

43:46

There is, I think, a reason for Harry

43:49

to be cautious in this moment,

43:52

but he does very quickly,

43:55

recognize the fact that Fred and George have been

43:57

using it without consequence for years.

44:01

So we're,

44:05

you know, I think intended to

44:07

place more trust in this than we would say

44:10

like a Tom Riddle's diary. But

44:13

it's a good thing to be cautious about

44:15

something like this. To make this question, I

44:17

think, is it

44:20

just doing something kind or is it doing

44:23

something reckless? I would say

44:25

why can't it be a little bit of both? Yeah,

44:28

I like that. Yeah. Yeah,

44:31

I mean, I think that the true

44:33

judge of whether or not it's a dangerous

44:35

or reckless item to me comes in the fact

44:37

that not just that

44:39

it has the passageways of Hogwarts

44:42

on it, which could is a security nightmare

44:45

or a minor one at the very least. But

44:47

Harry, who the map does not know

44:50

within five minutes of him holding it,

44:53

shows him not only where the passageway

44:55

with the humpback, which is but there's a

44:57

little speech bubble. I always forgot about

44:59

this a little speech bubble with the incantation

45:02

that yeah, descendium in order

45:04

to get through. So it's actively

45:07

it's aiding and abetting Harry to

45:10

get through. And it doesn't know Harry. Here's

45:12

the thing. It would be different if Harry had been writing

45:14

to the map

45:15

or in some way interacted with

45:17

the maker's personalities. This

45:19

map is designed to give people

45:22

access across Hogwarts

45:24

for like completely without scrutiny.

45:27

And that to me does tip the needle

45:29

to this is actually a dangerous artifact

45:32

because you don't know who's going

45:34

to use that. I do just want

45:36

to go back for a second to what Laura

45:38

was talking about with Mr. Weasley, because

45:41

I think it's important that

45:43

Harry has this

45:45

in the back of his mind and that it comes

45:47

up and that it's from a parental figure

45:50

in Mr. Weasley. And I also

45:52

really like the fact that we're talking about

45:55

multiple Weasley's helping Harry

45:57

in different ways in this.

45:59

because they really are

46:02

his family at the end

46:04

of the day.

46:05

Well, and the Marauders map is a family

46:07

heirloom. His father helped make it. Yeah.

46:10

It's prongs of Mooney, Wormtail, Padfoot,

46:12

and Prongs. And add Fred

46:14

and George to the characters that give Harry

46:17

an unexpected heirloom. Like Dumbledore gave him

46:19

his father's cloak. Hagrid gave him like

46:21

the photo book of his parents. And

46:24

now the Marauders map is back in Harry's

46:26

possession too. Absolutely.

46:29

Fred and George, modern day Marauders.

46:32

Yeah. I do appreciate that

46:34

Fred and George have such a prominent role

46:36

in this chapter that also

46:39

explicitly calls them out and draws

46:41

in comparison to the big reveal of James

46:43

and Sirius being partner

46:46

troublemaking duo. Yeah. I

46:48

mean, I don't know if you wrote this down, Micah,

46:50

because Hagrid says it, but Hagrid says

46:52

as much in this chapter,

46:54

a few pages later that

46:56

they've got a bit of a, I forget

46:58

exactly what he says, but he directly

47:01

ties them to being Marauders

47:03

adjacent.

47:05

And we know that they found the map,

47:07

but I was curious how

47:09

they figured out how to work it. And

47:11

this goes to a little bit of what we're talking about before

47:14

the map has some kind

47:16

of sentience to it in the way that it aids

47:19

Harry. But do we think that the

47:21

map can sense a kindred spirit

47:24

in Fred and George?

47:26

But even then, how would it,

47:27

did it just like tell

47:30

them how to use it then? Right.

47:33

I tend to think of Fred and George being those like

47:36

mischief makers that have

47:38

endless time, endless patience

47:41

to work out how something like this works.

47:44

Obviously it doesn't like not respond

47:46

if you poke it.

47:47

So I have the vision

47:50

in my mind of them spending weeks

47:52

trying any number of incantations,

47:56

statements of their commitment to mischief.

47:59

I mean,

47:59

I don't think it would have taken Fred and George more than an

48:02

afternoon to arrive at, I solemnly

48:04

swear I'm up to no good to unlock

48:06

the map. I think that's their creed,

48:09

that's their slogan to begin with, but

48:11

I do see them kind of brute forcing it.

48:13

Yeah, I think this relates

48:17

to a question I know we're gonna talk about

48:19

here in a few moments, which

48:22

is just how does the magic of this map

48:25

work? It almost makes

48:27

me wonder if the

48:29

map does have some kind of sentience. Maybe

48:32

I

48:34

solemnly swear I'm up to no good, wasn't

48:36

even the original password

48:39

for the map. Maybe it just really liked

48:41

it. Maybe they said that. Kind

48:45

of off the cuff as a joke and the map was

48:47

like, ooh.

48:47

Ooh. I'm

48:51

declaring Laura our declaring

48:54

cannon person. Yes,

48:57

let's play the sound effect. I'll take it. I

49:00

declare cannon. You need to

49:03

rerecord it. Actually all four of us

49:05

can do it and we can just

49:06

put them on the top of one another. Get

49:08

a nice echo in there. Or yeah,

49:10

whoever it comes up with the idea that

49:12

we play that corresponding. Oh

49:15

my God, a host specific I declare cannon.

49:17

I'm trembling in my. Yeah, there's too much of me

49:19

in these. We

49:22

did an entire episode talking about Fred

49:24

and George, but I think it's fair to say we

49:27

probably underestimate their magical abilities

49:29

to some extent. And

49:31

that has to do with how they're

49:34

generally perceived by their peers.

49:36

Most of their peers look at them as kind of being

49:39

the jokesters, the pranksters. Andrew,

49:41

to your point earlier about Hagrid, I

49:43

looked it up, he said that they could have given James

49:46

and Sirius a run for their money. So

49:49

I don't think until we get

49:51

to them opening up the joke shop, we

49:53

realize as readers just how

49:55

talented they are.

49:57

I mean, they have a variety of skillsets too. They're

49:59

so versatile.

50:00

things like the lock picking, the muggle

50:02

lock picking that most people would just be

50:04

like, oh, use a little more, but there are certain circumstances

50:07

where that doesn't always apply. So

50:09

they have a tenacity, they have a desire to learn.

50:12

And that

50:14

again, with them like taking the time

50:16

and patience, they

50:18

take the time to really learn everything

50:20

they can learn. They're doing a lot of learning at Hogwarts,

50:22

it's just not happening in class.

50:25

Which is okay. Yeah,

50:27

experience can teach you a lot

50:30

more. Real world experience can teach you

50:32

a lot more than books can. But books

50:34

are still important, so stay in school kids.

50:36

Stay in school kids. That comment was

50:38

for the parents. Yeah.

50:40

All right, well, let's talk a little bit about the

50:43

Marauders map. It is a damn

50:45

impressive piece of magic.

50:47

And a couple of questions came to mind

50:49

reading this chapter. The first was, how

50:52

long did it take the Marauders to make

50:54

the map?

50:55

Yeah, like did they hand draw it themselves?

50:57

Did they scan it with some device

51:00

you see in the Legend of Zelda? Like what

51:02

exactly is going on

51:04

here? Great, great reference. Based

51:07

on how MinaLima designed it, and

51:09

I guess actually how the

51:11

chapter art looks from Mary Granpree in

51:13

the US editions. Yeah,

51:16

it looks hand drawn. So maybe they did sketch

51:18

it all out. Maybe they did go around every nook and

51:20

cranny of the school

51:22

sketching it out. And I mean, what

51:24

are map designers called? Cartographers?

51:27

Cartographers or cartomancers. Yeah,

51:29

I mean, one of these people- It's a good

51:31

Final Jeopardy right there.

51:33

One of these Marauders

51:35

could have went on to be a full-time map designer.

51:37

Like, because they did

51:39

a good job. I did take a look at wizardingworld.com

51:43

and it said that the magic

51:45

used in the map's creation is advanced

51:47

and impressive, which we agree.

51:50

It includes the homunculus

51:52

charm,

51:53

enabling the possessor of the map to track

51:55

the movements of every person in the castle.

51:58

And it was also enchanted to- forever

52:00

repel as insultingly as possible

52:03

the curiosity of their nemesis Severus

52:06

Snape.

52:08

I love this. We do see that later.

52:10

Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

52:13

the sheer like

52:15

layers of magic that exist on the map is

52:18

really impressive to me. I like the

52:20

answer of how we know where people are at any given

52:22

time is like a homunculus charm, but still being able

52:24

to represent that on a map that's like a live

52:27

current

52:28

depiction of the school means

52:30

that the map needs to like scan

52:32

the whole school at every moment. It's just a tiny

52:34

little square bit of parchment. In fact, in the book, it

52:37

isn't the multi page fold

52:39

out thing that they've designed for the movies, which I

52:41

love,

52:42

but it's just a little thing of parchment. I guess

52:44

it like zooms in on where you're looking or whatever. Puck it,

52:46

map. Yeah.

52:47

I want to know where the map's personality

52:49

comes from because it clearly

52:51

has one. And it

52:54

made me wonder if it's somehow retaining a

52:57

shadow of the marauders personality

52:59

similar to how portraits work.

53:01

And as a

53:03

secondary point here, I just wonder what would

53:05

happen if Harry opened the map after

53:08

learning his dad is prongs and proclaimed I

53:10

am your son.

53:10

But what did

53:13

that happen? Why did it happen? Also

53:16

wanted to just give a shout out to

53:18

the fact that this path

53:20

to Hogsmeade that Harry

53:22

takes

53:23

is also in Hogwarts Legacy and

53:26

part of a quest.

53:27

So I was very excited to read this moment

53:29

again and think back to that path in

53:32

Hogwarts Legacy.

53:33

I think it's also a nod to, again, how clear

53:36

it is that the makers of Hogwarts

53:39

Legacy are fans because

53:42

I'll be honest, I had forgotten

53:44

how long the passage to

53:47

Hogsmeade was.

53:51

And when I played the game, I was like,

53:53

oh, I can see they're drawing this out

53:56

a little bit to make it part of the quest. They're

53:58

adding.

53:59

some little

54:02

challenges in here. And while those

54:04

challenges aren't in the book, we see

54:06

in this chapter, Harry talks about it feeling

54:09

like it took an hour

54:10

for him to make the journey. So it is a

54:13

really long passage. I had completely

54:15

forgotten about that. To

54:18

this point, we are going to do a new

54:20

bonus muggle cast on our Patreon in

54:22

the next month or so about

54:25

the little details, the Easter

54:27

eggs that they included in Hogwarts Legacy, because

54:29

they released a video of 74 Easter eggs and

54:32

details you may have missed in Hogwarts Legacy.

54:35

And it is an impressive list. And they pack 74

54:37

in an 11 minute video. So

54:40

it's like they're just firing them at you nonstop.

54:43

I think I watched it at one and a half speed.

54:45

So that is- I know. You mean 0.5

54:47

speed to slow it down? No,

54:49

no, no, 1.5. So it didn't take 11 minutes.

54:52

But I like this best. Yeah. What

54:55

are you in a rush for? They're rushing through it. But

54:59

I think

55:00

we were joking on Slack that I

55:02

probably knew 15% of,

55:04

and you agreed, right, Andrew? Same, yeah. I

55:08

felt kind of dumb. And then you sent that message.

55:10

It's like, okay, cool. I'm not alone. And

55:14

I totally agree about the passage

55:16

to honeydukes. I was just expecting you go into

55:18

the one-eyed witch, and then all of a sudden it

55:20

would load you in the basement of honeydukes.

55:23

But that was definitely not the

55:25

case. So again, just huge kudos

55:27

to the creators of that game.

55:30

So Harry ends up inside of honeydukes,

55:33

and he

55:35

surprises Ron

55:36

and Hermione, who

55:38

are having some

55:40

fun in Augsmead. And I do like the fact

55:43

that Harry says

55:45

that, because in the movie he uses

55:47

the invisibility cloak, but he's not using the invisibility

55:50

cloak. Yeah, he doesn't have it. He didn't think to bring

55:52

it. That's exciting to me.

55:53

And risky. I

55:55

do like the fact that he thinks, well, you know what? There's so

55:57

many people here. Nobody's going to notice.

55:59

And that's for

56:02

the most part what happens. Yeah, I guess. Yeah.

56:05

Do other people know that

56:07

he's not allowed? So I mean, that

56:09

makes him further invincible.

56:13

Yeah. I would

56:15

assume that maybe some people know that he's not

56:18

allowed to go to Hogsmeade,

56:20

but I don't know if it's. Or they just assume, oh,

56:23

he got permission finally. The Gryffindors

56:25

know because didn't Dean Thomas offer

56:28

to forge the signature? So like a few

56:30

of them know, but like the close

56:33

friends to them. I don't think Draco's yet made

56:35

fun of

56:36

Harry for not having a permission

56:39

slip. So maybe it's possible to Slytherin somehow

56:41

missed this one. Yeah,

56:44

I think all of Harry's

56:46

friends know snitches get stitches,

56:48

so they're not gonna say anything. And

56:51

they're probably happy that Harry got out, got

56:53

to go. So they're like, okay, cool, whatever. Good

56:56

for you. Moving on with my day. Your thing

56:58

to go anyway.

56:59

Yeah, and he's just fortunate that he doesn't

57:01

run into any of his Slytherin

57:04

nemeses. Although he comes

57:07

close when his professors

57:10

come into the

57:11

three broomsticks. So Harry,

57:14

Ron and Hermione debate using

57:16

the Marauder's map and the dangers

57:18

that it poses with Sirius Black

57:20

on the loose. The joke there is Sirius

57:23

knows the map already anyway, so it doesn't

57:26

really matter if it ends up in his paws

57:28

or not.

57:29

Just like Fred and George, he already knows.

57:33

But it is Hermione who gives the

57:35

line in the book that Sirius

57:37

could be using one of the passages on the map

57:39

to get into the castle. It's actually

57:42

not a bad

57:43

thought.

57:45

So do we think that this map is in and

57:47

of itself a security nightmare?

57:50

Yes, yes. But

57:52

Harry's counter argument to Hermione saying

57:55

that he should hand it into McGonagall

57:57

is actually very good that by turning

57:59

it in.

57:59

and Filch would know it was stolen, and

58:02

then it could potentially reveal Fred

58:05

and George gave it to Harry, and that's just,

58:08

you know, it opens up a can of worms. That's not

58:10

worth it. Right, and I think that's where Hermione

58:12

takes a bit of a step back, because she

58:15

realizes that

58:16

it's not just going to

58:18

potentially get Harry into trouble, it could get Fred

58:20

and George into a lot of trouble too. Yeah. Yeah.

58:23

It's fun that they win this argument that Harry

58:25

and Ron

58:26

win here, because she gets

58:28

her revenge, Hermione does, with the firebolt

58:31

coming up. This is also one

58:33

of those tough moments for Ron too, because

58:35

Ron asks the question why they never

58:38

shared the map with him. So it

58:40

almost feels like Harry's

58:42

a more important person to Fred

58:44

and George than Ron is himself. That

58:46

insecurity is based on

58:49

real events, and I kept

58:51

thinking that too, of like when they confide

58:53

in Harry and they give him this thing, like Ron,

58:56

I think, knows deep down that Harry would give him access

58:58

and he'll have access to it, but it does beg the

59:01

question, like do the Weasley twins like Harry

59:03

more than they like Ron? But are

59:05

you talking about just like telling Ron about

59:07

the map? Because Harry needs

59:09

the map.

59:10

Yeah. Ron never needed the map.

59:13

And I'm sure Fred and George assumed that

59:16

Ron is going to benefit from Harry

59:18

having the map.

59:20

Yeah. Also, if they had

59:23

given Ron the map, that would have

59:25

opened a whole can of worms

59:27

because they would have opened it one night when he was lying

59:29

in bed and seeing Peter

59:31

Pettigrew was in bed with him. Then

59:35

he saved him the trauma. They've

59:37

actually been doing him a huge favor in therapy

59:40

bills. Yeah. I also

59:42

think they're probably in the back of their

59:44

mind saying, we can't risk getting

59:46

into any more trouble with mom.

59:49

So if we give this to Ron and

59:51

he gets caught, it's on us. Yeah.

59:54

Yeah. We get a few of those stories

59:57

of like the acid pop that burned a hole through Ron's

59:59

tongue.

59:59

you know, all these other things they've given.

1:00:02

And there's a different definite

1:00:05

difference between Fred and George in

1:00:07

terms of behavior. And

1:00:09

again, we did an entire episode on that. We

1:00:11

can link to it in the show notes. But

1:00:14

it is kind of ironic. Harry's

1:00:16

response to Hermione because he

1:00:18

says Sirius can't be getting in through

1:00:20

a passage. There's seven secret tunnels

1:00:23

on the map, right? Fred and George Reckonfilch

1:00:25

knows about four of them and the other three, one

1:00:27

of them's caved in so

1:00:29

no one can get through it. One of them's got

1:00:31

the Womping Willow planted over the entrance so

1:00:33

you can't get out of it.

1:00:35

Okay. And the one I just came

1:00:37

through, well, it's really hard to see the entrance to

1:00:39

it down in the cellar. So unless he knew

1:00:41

it was there, Whelp,

1:00:44

Laura writes in all caps here

1:00:47

in our doc. It's like

1:00:49

Harry knows he just doesn't want to admit it

1:00:51

to himself. It's the convenience factor.

1:00:53

That's

1:00:56

kind of taking effect here. So here

1:00:59

comes the big broom, the big reveal. So

1:01:05

Harry, Ron and Hermione are inside

1:01:07

of the three broomsticks. They're having some butter

1:01:09

beer and all of a sudden

1:01:11

the teacher show up plus

1:01:14

the minister for magic. No, they're

1:01:16

going to see us. Yeah. So very

1:01:18

wisely, Hermione moves a Christmas tree

1:01:20

in front of them. Here's,

1:01:23

thank God it's Christmas time. Yeah.

1:01:26

What would she have done otherwise? Here's the most beautiful

1:01:28

thing about

1:01:30

like my head cannon here for the three

1:01:32

broomstick. Rose Merida, the proprietor

1:01:34

of this place should know that

1:01:36

there's actually more tables behind where the

1:01:39

tree, like the room doesn't end at

1:01:41

where they placed the table. She should know that

1:01:43

that table's a skew. But my head

1:01:46

cannon is, students move stuff

1:01:48

around all the time.

1:01:50

Like if you ever saw like a student center and then the tables

1:01:53

are put together like different than how the cleaning

1:01:56

crew has to then go back and move them at the end of the day.

1:01:58

I feel like maybe we're maybe that.

1:01:59

happens often enough that that's why nobody

1:02:02

questions the tree being

1:02:04

where it is. Yeah. Well, and

1:02:07

even setting the tree aside, it's

1:02:09

still a public space they're speaking

1:02:11

in. Yeah. Having a very sensitive

1:02:13

conversation. But

1:02:15

they're all drinking, right? We

1:02:17

see this a few times throughout the books

1:02:20

where the teachers and

1:02:22

the other adults, they

1:02:24

get a

1:02:27

little loose with the

1:02:29

information they share

1:02:30

when they're drinking. Doesn't McGonagall

1:02:33

complain about Hagrid telling the whole pub something

1:02:35

or another in this chapter when they first sit down

1:02:37

too? So they're all guilty of this. To

1:02:39

your point, Laura, the first that comes to mind

1:02:41

is Slughorn

1:02:43

in Half-Blood Prince. In

1:02:46

Hagrid's hut, he reveals

1:02:49

the truth about Horcruxes because

1:02:52

he's a little tipsy. Hapsuba Smith

1:02:54

has to be buttered up a little bit

1:02:56

before she divulges her secrets

1:02:59

to Tom. Mm-hmm.

1:03:01

Dumbledore uses it on

1:03:03

the blanking on a woman's name.

1:03:05

Oh, Mrs. Cole with the orphanage. Mrs.

1:03:07

Cole. Oh, wow. There's a lot of

1:03:09

alcohol in this story.

1:03:12

We didn't realize it. Yeah. Oh, man. And

1:03:14

Winky is an alcoholic. Trelawney

1:03:16

is an alcoholic. Oh, my goodness.

1:03:18

This happens to Hagrid all the time.

1:03:22

There's even a mention of McGonagall

1:03:24

being so tipsy at Christmas one year

1:03:27

that Dumbledore gives her a kiss on the cheek

1:03:29

and she just blushes bright

1:03:32

red, which is very out of

1:03:34

character for her. She's normally super

1:03:36

stoic. So, yeah, I

1:03:38

mean, listen,

1:03:40

grownups got to have fun too, you

1:03:42

know? People are surrounded

1:03:45

by children all day. They

1:03:47

work for Dumbledore. They work

1:03:49

in a place that's just a nonstop security

1:03:51

nightmare. Yeah. Yeah. This

1:03:54

is an interesting thing about the adaptation

1:03:56

into the film is that in the movie, it's

1:03:59

a private

1:03:59

they go into, Harry has the invisibility cloak

1:04:02

and it's a private room upstairs above

1:04:05

the pub. That actually makes more sense.

1:04:07

The, you know, because what they're discussing

1:04:09

is like things that are not very well known, things

1:04:11

like the Fidelius charm, all this other stuff.

1:04:14

That makes more sense. However, also in the movie,

1:04:16

Harry's alone.

1:04:18

Here, Ron and Hermione

1:04:20

are there with him and they're hearing

1:04:22

the facts as it occurs.

1:04:25

I'm just thinking about what happens after. He

1:04:27

wasn't a friend. Where Dan Radcliffe

1:04:29

delivers his worst line of the entire

1:04:31

Harry Potter series. Sorry, the Razzies were right

1:04:33

on this one. Oh yeah. It's awful,

1:04:36

but like. Listen,

1:04:36

I don't blame him. He was like 14.

1:04:40

He's going through some stuff. Yeah. I

1:04:43

blame Alfonso Coron. But yeah, the decision

1:04:45

to isolate Harry, the decision to have him

1:04:47

come and tell Ron

1:04:48

and Hermione then later is

1:04:50

sad because the actual telling then

1:04:52

happens off screen, whereas here, they're point

1:04:55

for point as shocked as he is. And

1:04:57

the more they know, the more they can support Harry

1:05:00

in going through this. So I like that it's all

1:05:02

three of them together in the book. Yeah. What

1:05:04

I like about this too is just the cast of characters

1:05:06

that are sitting around the table. This

1:05:09

is only something you could get in a book or

1:05:11

hopefully in a TV adaptation.

1:05:14

Ooh. Wink, wink. But you also

1:05:16

just get a better sense of the personalities of

1:05:19

certain characters that you otherwise

1:05:21

don't spend a whole lot of time with, right?

1:05:24

So it's McGonagall, it's Fudge, it's

1:05:26

Hagrid, it's Flitwick, it's

1:05:28

Rosemerta. And we get a lot of

1:05:30

info. So I'm just gonna run through top line,

1:05:33

the info that gets dumped in this

1:05:35

conversation and then we can talk all about it. So

1:05:38

we learned that James and Sirius were besties.

1:05:42

We learned that Dumbledore had a network

1:05:44

of spies, but one in particular that tipped

1:05:46

him off about the Potters being on Voldemort's

1:05:48

hit list.

1:05:50

The Potters used the Fidelius charm and

1:05:52

Sirius was their secret keeper

1:05:54

or so we're led to believe.

1:05:56

Sirius is Harry's godfather

1:05:58

and Peter Pettigrew. the third

1:06:01

wheel, confronted Sirius, and

1:06:04

was blasted to smithereens. All right.

1:06:06

Wow. James and

1:06:09

Sirius were besties, and so begins a thousand fanfics.

1:06:12

What? Of them like

1:06:14

being friends? Yeah, just, yeah, of course.

1:06:16

Hanging out. Or more. And

1:06:19

of course, we eventually got that mini story

1:06:22

on a postcard, right, about

1:06:24

their adventures. I love that so very much. It's

1:06:27

probably my favorite thing. That was sold for charity.

1:06:30

Yeah, it's so good. But here's

1:06:32

the thing. As overt and direct as

1:06:35

this information is believing the chapter still

1:06:37

leans super hard into Sirius being the

1:06:39

bad guy,

1:06:39

which makes the reveal at the end so much richer

1:06:42

and better. So like, we're

1:06:44

coming from this chapter, coming away from it, going,

1:06:47

we finally have the full story, Sirius is evil,

1:06:49

only to have the rug pulled out for us further.

1:06:52

And I love that about this book, just the main

1:06:54

mystery and reveal is so well done. But

1:06:57

then there's subtle things happening too in

1:06:59

all of these stories. Like I picked up

1:07:01

Madame Rosemerta is like, Sirius Black,

1:07:03

I still can't believe that he,

1:07:06

of all people, I would have thought he was the last person

1:07:08

that would ever go to the dark side.

1:07:10

How does Rosemerta have this opinion of

1:07:12

Sirius Black? Like, how well could she

1:07:14

have possibly gotten to know him when he was a student?

1:07:17

And I think that that actually shows, if we follow

1:07:19

that back through time,

1:07:21

Sirius was very outspoken

1:07:23

about his family,

1:07:24

his family's

1:07:26

pure blood mania, how they sided

1:07:29

with the dark wizards more often than not.

1:07:32

And so it was well known, this is like

1:07:34

a hint in book three, that Sirius

1:07:37

Black really hated his lineage

1:07:39

and really hated dark wizards.

1:07:41

And since we know he's innocent from

1:07:43

future books, it was at this beautiful

1:07:46

little nuance of Madame Rosemerta sticking up for

1:07:48

him and just being like, yeah, he was totally

1:07:50

anti-evil.

1:07:51

Yeah, and don't we later

1:07:54

learn that Sirius either

1:07:56

got kicked out or just chose not to go back

1:07:59

to his family's home?

1:07:59

And so he ended up spending

1:08:02

his summers at the Potters. It

1:08:04

could be that Rosemary to knew that. That's

1:08:07

true too. Because she knew how close

1:08:09

they were. We don't get a whole lot of evidence

1:08:12

that suggests in at

1:08:14

least in this very small conversation, that

1:08:16

suggests that Sirius would have turned

1:08:20

against James because for

1:08:22

everything that we know,

1:08:24

they were super close. And

1:08:26

there's no reason here that that

1:08:29

Sirius would go over to Voldemort. We're not given

1:08:31

anything tangible. No.

1:08:33

As far as I can tell. It's one of those things,

1:08:35

I guess, where the misinformation

1:08:38

is repeated enough times. People just accept

1:08:40

it as fact. Yeah. And Dumbledore

1:08:42

himself signed off on it, right? You have

1:08:44

like the normal stops you'd

1:08:47

use for like scrutiny and verification. Like

1:08:49

Dumbledore himself was like, oh yeah, I wasn't the secret

1:08:51

keeper.

1:08:52

So there

1:08:55

has been some key facts withheld,

1:08:58

I think. And we do learn at least there's some explanation

1:09:00

given as far as why Lupin

1:09:02

hasn't told Dumbledore about

1:09:05

the Animagus thing, why

1:09:07

it wasn't well known, maybe even

1:09:09

to Dumbledore that Sirius wasn't the

1:09:11

secret keeper, that it was Peter. You

1:09:14

know, we'll talk about all those things in the chapters in which they

1:09:16

occur. But I like that there's at least some explanation

1:09:19

for why these key details were left

1:09:21

out. From these people. So everyone

1:09:23

does, yeah, believe that the most shocking thing

1:09:25

that could have happened, James's best friend

1:09:28

betrayed them.

1:09:29

And what I found so interesting

1:09:32

here was there was a moment where Fudge

1:09:35

says to Rosemerta, who is really

1:09:37

intended to represent the

1:09:39

general population of people who

1:09:42

don't have a ton of context about what happened

1:09:45

with the Potter's. Um,

1:09:48

he says, you know, most people don't know

1:09:50

the full story.

1:09:52

And he goes on to talk about Sirius's

1:09:54

betrayal as secret keeper. But

1:09:57

a couple chapters ago, Malfoy definitely

1:09:59

seems

1:09:59

like he knows something more than

1:10:02

Rosemerta does, based

1:10:05

on his saying to Harry, don't you know

1:10:07

I'd want revenge if it were me.

1:10:11

So

1:10:12

it makes me wonder does Lucius

1:10:15

and

1:10:15

by extension Voldemort's

1:10:18

inner circle know at this stage

1:10:20

that Pettigrew was the real spy

1:10:23

and that Sirius is therefore innocent

1:10:26

and unjustifiably

1:10:29

serving a sentence in Azkaban and they're just sitting

1:10:31

on that information because they don't like Sirius

1:10:34

anyway.

1:10:35

Or if Sirius were to walk up

1:10:37

to Lucius and be like hey, sup,

1:10:39

would Lucius turn him in or

1:10:41

would Lucius believe that Sirius is in

1:10:44

fact the informant that he's been imprisoned for

1:10:46

being?

1:10:46

Yeah, it really makes me wonder

1:10:48

how much Voldemort's

1:10:51

inner circle knows at

1:10:53

this stage.

1:10:55

Because Voldemort wouldn't be the kind of person to reveal his

1:10:57

sources. He would say somebody has told

1:10:59

me the Potters will be here, we're gonna act.

1:11:01

He wouldn't say my dear friend Sirius,

1:11:04

my great personal

1:11:06

supporter here has told us all. Unless

1:11:08

they attended the meetings. Like I don't imagine. That's

1:11:11

what I was thinking. If

1:11:13

in the later stages if

1:11:15

Pettigrew was actually showing up actively

1:11:18

to these Death Eater rallies

1:11:20

or meetings where he would have

1:11:22

been visible

1:11:24

to others, right?

1:11:28

I don't think that happened. It definitely happens later.

1:11:30

And Pettigrew wants to take his place at the meetings

1:11:33

when he brings Voldemort back to a body

1:11:35

and he's like I'm the best follower ever that

1:11:37

there was. But I tend to think of, based

1:11:39

on what Pettigrew says later, I tend

1:11:41

to think of all of his interactions with Voldemort

1:11:43

being one on one and Voldemort basically

1:11:46

tortures him into giving up the position

1:11:48

of Lillian James. Do you think there was some good

1:11:50

at him at some point

1:11:52

that was overtaken by Voldemort?

1:11:54

I think it would have been, I

1:11:57

think because it's cowardice that let

1:11:59

Pettigrew. and

1:12:01

self-protection that let Pettigrew

1:12:04

betray the Potters. I don't think he

1:12:06

would have been like attending all the

1:12:08

Death Eater meetings up to that point, like for months

1:12:10

and weeks and all that stuff. I think it would have

1:12:12

been a very personal one-on-one kind of a thing.

1:12:15

Yeah, I mean, I could see Voldemort even threatening

1:12:18

Peter, like threatening his family. We get a mention

1:12:20

of Peter's mother later on in this

1:12:22

chapter. So

1:12:26

I could even see Voldemort identifying

1:12:28

Peter as the weak link

1:12:30

and maybe starting to work

1:12:32

on him for maybe

1:12:35

even years before any

1:12:37

of this occurred. Laura, reading the line

1:12:39

that you have here, the don't you know I'd want

1:12:41

revenge, to me, I just read that more

1:12:43

of

1:12:44

Malfoy knowing that Sirius

1:12:47

was responsible for Harry's parents' death,

1:12:52

and that's what he's been told

1:12:54

by his father. Yeah, I guess

1:12:57

what I feel like is missing here though is it

1:13:00

seems like the public, based

1:13:02

on Rosemurta, acting

1:13:04

as a

1:13:05

representation of the public, they

1:13:08

don't know about

1:13:10

Sirius having been allegedly

1:13:13

the Potter's secret keeper, right? That's

1:13:15

not general public knowledge.

1:13:19

Yeah, but I guess it was just

1:13:23

assumed

1:13:24

because they're dead. So, and

1:13:27

Sirius presumably also killed

1:13:30

Peter Pettigrew.

1:13:32

So just going back to something that I said

1:13:34

earlier on that I really liked about

1:13:36

this chapter is that in being called the

1:13:38

Marauder's Map, we do get time

1:13:41

slash mentions of all of the Marauders,

1:13:44

but one person who is completely

1:13:46

absent from this entire conversation, and I'm

1:13:49

surprised that none of

1:13:51

the other professors or participants

1:13:53

in the conversation mentioned him,

1:13:56

was Lupin.

1:13:57

This was a perfect opportunity for Harry

1:13:59

to learn. and that Lupin was the fourth. Oh.

1:14:03

It's just not even called out. That's

1:14:06

so interesting. There was just one more

1:14:09

round of mead or butterbeer.

1:14:11

No, that's actually really brilliant that that

1:14:14

piece is not, that needle is not

1:14:16

threaded, specifically that needle.

1:14:18

I love it. But it is. In the beginning of the chapter,

1:14:20

we just don't know it. Right. No, yeah, Lupin

1:14:22

has this huge presence in the beginning of how he was seen, but in

1:14:25

this whole conversation, you're right. It's not like,

1:14:27

oh yeah, and the fourth one was Lupin.

1:14:29

Don't you remember Rosemarida that they

1:14:31

sometimes called Lupin Mooney?

1:14:33

Wasn't that weird?

1:14:36

Wait, why did that Christmas tree just move? One

1:14:39

little odd and end before we

1:14:41

wrap up here, we hit on

1:14:43

the seven secret passages in and out of

1:14:46

Hogwarts, but the

1:14:48

secret passageway that's referenced

1:14:51

as being blocked off as of

1:14:53

last year, was that a residual

1:14:55

effect of Lockhart using Ron's

1:14:58

wand? That would be pretty funny. Oh, I love

1:15:00

that idea. And one more odd and end

1:15:02

before we wrap up this chapter,

1:15:05

following up on a discussion we had

1:15:07

a couple of weeks ago about

1:15:09

the concept or at least the name

1:15:11

of Aurors not being created

1:15:14

at this point in the writing of this

1:15:16

series, we get a mention of hit

1:15:19

wizards

1:15:20

in this chapter. And that again

1:15:23

goes back to our theory that

1:15:25

Aurors hadn't been invented

1:15:28

yet because if Rowling was using the phrase

1:15:31

hit wizards instead of Aurors, seems

1:15:34

like she hadn't settled on Aurors yet.

1:15:36

So if we are to believe that hit wizards were

1:15:38

the original Aurors, we get kind

1:15:40

of like a real time look at the development

1:15:42

of Aurors right here in the writing.

1:15:44

Okay, let's move on to MVP of the

1:15:47

week.

1:15:52

I'm gonna give it to Hermione and the Christmas tree she

1:15:55

moved for allowing the trio

1:15:57

to hide as they overheard.

1:15:59

all of this info from the adults.

1:16:02

I'm gonna give it to Dumbledore

1:16:05

of all people for hiding the secret

1:16:07

entrance to Hogsmeade under the Whomping Willow.

1:16:09

Classic, very great move.

1:16:11

Yeah, I'm gonna give mine to Fred and George for

1:16:13

introducing us to a fan favorite

1:16:16

magical item, the Marauder's Map.

1:16:18

And I'm gonna give mine to

1:16:20

the three broomsticks where the info

1:16:23

dump happens. The

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