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Previously on murder in Oregon. Six

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pm on January

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the night before he was to present

0:12

the findings of his investigation, Michael

0:14

Frankie walked out of the Dome Building, headquarters

0:17

of the Oregon Department of Corrections. Forty

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minutes later, Alice Clawson found his

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car with the driver's side door open. I

0:25

went out the front steps and

0:28

the door to his car was open,

0:30

and I'm hard at him because I

0:32

couldn't see him, and I had

0:34

this really creepy feeling. After

0:38

a four hour search, his body was

0:40

found outside the office building's

0:42

north entrance. He had been stabbed

0:45

in the heart and was lying in a pool of

0:47

his own blood and the glass he shattered

0:49

trying to get back inside. He was a public

0:52

official who discovered corruption

0:54

in his own department the night before

0:57

he was to address the Legislative committee

0:59

on this very object. He was

1:01

stabbed in the heart in front of the building

1:03

where he worked. Corrections was made

1:05

up of literally family

1:08

members, an ex wife, a wife,

1:10

a cousin, an uncle, a brother, a

1:12

sister, and they basically interlocked

1:14

and protected each other. There had

1:16

been issues in the prison system

1:19

that he discovered and wanted to

1:21

remedy. I think he

1:24

made a number of people in the department uncomfortable,

1:27

probably the head of prison Dick

1:29

Peterson, Scott McAllister, who

1:31

was the a G lawyer who had for

1:33

the previous twelve or thirteen years been

1:36

assigned corrections, and

1:38

so that's the third member

1:41

of that collection of the Department of

1:43

Corrections officers on the

1:45

outs with Frankie. About

1:47

a week after the murder, the police

1:49

held a press conference and announced they were

1:52

interested in talking with a man who

1:55

had been seen in the dome build room.

1:57

He's quickly became known as the man

2:00

in the pin stripe suit. The pin stripe

2:02

suit was supposed to this

2:04

arm him, get him in his office and

2:07

make it look like a suicide.

2:11

I went to a psyche and she said that he has

2:13

somebody in custody right now named John

2:16

Ky. He says it's c

2:19

cross. She

2:21

said he probably didn't do it, but he had

2:23

some information about it. They

2:26

didn't like the people his confession

2:29

would ultimately lead to. That's

2:31

what it looks like for sure. Murder

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and Oregon is a production of I Heart Radio

2:41

by Outward Appearances. At the time of

2:43

Michael Frankie's murder, then Governor Neil

2:46

Goldschmidt was Oregon's golden boy.

2:48

He'd inherited a broken correction system,

2:51

but hired Michael Frankie and made

2:53

strides improving the department's reputation,

2:56

which was tarnished by the six investigation.

3:00

He seemingly had nothing to lose by

3:02

pursuing Mike's killer. So

3:04

why would he resist? Well, that was

3:06

the big question. I mean, for all, anyone

3:09

knew he was completely

3:11

clean. He had been the golden boy

3:13

of Oregon politics for years since

3:15

he ran as a very young, handsome

3:17

candidate for mayor and

3:20

was even considered a likely candidate

3:22

for president that people talked about him being the

3:24

first Jewish president. And

3:27

here he was governor resisting

3:30

my requests another requests

3:33

in the media for more attention

3:35

to the eight six investigation and the

3:37

possibility that Michael

3:39

Frankie was investigating corruption in his

3:41

department. He was resisting it. And

3:44

I couldn't figure it out because he

3:46

was a smart politician besides everything else,

3:49

and he hadn't come into office until

3:51

after the eighty six investigation or

3:54

six cover up, as I think about it now,

3:57

it didn't make any sense. I

4:01

couldn't figure out what

4:03

what's going on? Because he could have easily

4:06

tacked it on to a mess he already

4:08

inherited. Oh absolutely, he could have blamed

4:11

it on his predecessor. Yeah,

4:13

it happened under the previous

4:15

administration. But there

4:18

was no way anybody would have been prepared

4:20

for the reason why no one

4:23

thought there was a problem except me,

4:25

I guess, and then there would be a huge

4:27

problem. We would learn later that

4:30

he had a great deal to cover up. I'm

4:37

Lauren Bright Pacheco, and this

4:40

is murder and Oregon. If

5:00

gold Schmid's in action was a mystery,

5:03

what's clear now is Salem and Oregon

5:05

were heavily riddled with crime and corruption.

5:08

Chuck Side served as a state representative

5:10

in Oregon's legislature from nine.

5:14

He grew up and into power

5:16

in Salem's political system,

5:19

and according to him, corruption has a long

5:21

colorful history in the area. There's

5:24

a lot of payoffs, you know. There was just

5:26

basically the politicians knew

5:28

who did get who not to get

5:30

in those days. And it was literally

5:33

the good old boys system that

5:35

that worked for many, many, many, many many

5:38

years. Well,

5:40

when I came home from college

5:43

where there was seven people that ran the town,

5:46

and they came to me as my dad's

5:48

friendships with him and said,

5:50

hey, we want you on the school board. Okay,

5:54

let be happy to that. I was on the school

5:56

board within two weeks. It was

5:58

kind of nice. It was just an

6:01

opportunity for and it learned

6:03

a lot. Because everything's political,

6:05

everything's polite. So I

6:07

learned that. As

6:09

Chuck talked us through Oregon's checkered

6:11

past, he gave us a tour of his beautifully

6:14

restored historical office building.

6:16

It's in downtown Salem, not far

6:18

from the Dome building and has been utilized

6:21

for many purposes over the years. It

6:23

was once a Masonic lodge and even

6:26

has a floor that served as a booze

6:28

friendly ballroom during Prohibition,

6:31

complete with an antique pump organ,

6:34

just like the one Salem's elite class would

6:36

have danced to back in the nineteen thirties.

6:38

So the bar was

6:41

up here. The original bar is still there, but

6:43

this is where the organ was inside this little messanie.

6:46

And of course that's where the slot machines were. And

6:48

you had a little stair on the other side

6:50

of this wall before it was remodeled,

6:53

where that was where the guard was. So

6:55

they wouldn't know if they were rated yeah,

6:57

and you didn't touch him because they were still

7:00

powerful that everybody

7:02

belonged to a Masonic lodge. They had

7:04

a lot of weight when it came to getting

7:07

people elected on that and

7:10

Chuck Side's own political career path

7:13

wasn't too far off from that sort of

7:15

model. According to Chuck, he

7:17

didn't choose politics as much as

7:19

politics chose him.

7:21

After eight years on the school board, I was asked

7:23

to run for the House of Representatives.

7:26

Those same good old boys, the ones

7:29

who ran the town and so quickly

7:31

installed Chuck onto the school board.

7:33

They also pushed for his election to the

7:35

States House of Representatives. That's

7:38

where he really started to get a first hand

7:41

look into the structure of power

7:43

in Oregon. We

7:45

had a governor named Neil Goldschmidt.

7:48

Neil was the type of person like

7:50

a Bill Clinton, you go into a room

7:52

and you just could follow him out. In

7:57

our first episode, we talked a bit

7:59

about Mike Frankie walked into

8:01

on the heels of the investigation

8:04

into corruption with an Oregon's prisons.

8:06

Chuck Sides actually watched it unfold.

8:10

The hookers and everybody were out on Portland Road, which

8:12

is Highway ninety nine, and the truckers

8:14

were funding the prostitutes and all

8:16

that stuff, and that was normal.

8:19

But it was very low

8:21

key and he didn't And it's not until I started

8:24

when I got elected. I started writing around

8:26

with the city police. I learned more about

8:28

my city than I ever knew in

8:30

terms of weird things were done and all that other

8:32

stuff. It

8:34

was also extremely segregated.

8:37

Salem did not allow minorities

8:40

to live here. Even in the fifties. They

8:42

were told by no un sudden terms, you're

8:45

gone get out of here by by sundown.

8:47

So I went to school, and a big, big

8:49

school, high school. There was two

8:52

blacks, and uh, you

8:54

know, it was stuff like that that was happening

8:56

that I never saw. But it was

8:58

controlled by six having people, and

9:01

things were put up with. But

9:05

there were some situations that were

9:08

beyond that system's power to

9:10

contain. If

9:12

gold Schmidt, as I thought

9:14

at the time, was clean, then

9:17

it was obvious even then that

9:19

Marion County, the state government

9:22

and the county government was anything but I

9:24

mean, the two previous d A's

9:27

had had been pushed out of office, one had gone

9:29

to prison for dipping

9:31

into public funds and giving out

9:33

large amounts of confiscated weapons

9:35

to his buddies, and the second one

9:38

was pushed out of office in mid term over

9:40

a domestic assault report. Here's

9:43

Chuck Side's take, if you want to get

9:45

into it. Dick Van Dyke's

9:47

son, Chris was the

9:49

d A in town and he

9:51

was an up and comer and basically was

9:54

going to be the next governor because

9:56

he had that chrisma a lot like Goldsmith, all

9:58

that stuff. Risk beat

10:01

up his girlfriend and

10:03

she filed police charges and

10:06

instantly copies of

10:08

that got out because

10:10

the Republicans didn't want him running for governor.

10:13

He was too good at Kennedy, but

10:15

it knocked him out because

10:17

of that whole scandal. We

10:20

have a copy of that police report. And

10:22

while the charges against Van Dyke were

10:24

later dropped, the political damage

10:27

was done. Here's Phil and so

10:29

he left an eight three in Each of these

10:32

changes in the d a's office were sort of Palace

10:34

Cou's in a way, and Dale Penn

10:36

ended up as a d A in about five

10:40

Remember Dale Penn, he was

10:42

the district attorney who oversaw that lb

10:46

D investigation into corruption within

10:48

Corrections, as well as

10:50

the investigation into Michael Frankie's

10:52

murder both during a time when the

10:54

social atmosphere in Salem could be

10:57

characterized as rather steamy

10:59

and cd. The entire scene

11:02

down there was overheated.

11:04

It was the eighties. It was coke for

11:07

the professional class, meth for the

11:09

rest of the population, and

11:11

the rest of the population included

11:14

lots and lots of ex cons

11:17

and cons on prol Salem,

11:20

by law at that time, had all

11:22

the prisons, and so

11:24

that naturally drew all the

11:26

families there when when

11:28

they got out on parl they would often stay

11:31

in that area. So it was

11:33

a strange culture that included

11:36

all the public officials and bureaucrats

11:39

on one hand, and a large

11:41

criminal population on the other.

11:44

So that kind of culture,

11:47

that kind of environment where you had

11:50

X cons mingling, you know, side

11:52

by side with the people who are

11:54

supposed to be policing them. That sounds

11:57

like the perfect recipe for corruption.

12:00

Well, it certainly made it much easier,

12:02

especially if you if you understand corruption

12:05

as a part of the system.

12:22

Salem in the nineties didn't

12:24

exactly sound like Mayberry. Multiple

12:27

people we interviewed referenced variations

12:30

of a sex, drug and hot tub

12:32

fueled atmosphere. Here's

12:35

Chuck sides again. Down the

12:37

block was a company called Key Title

12:39

I no longer exists, but Key Title

12:41

added beautiful women working

12:43

for him and they got into

12:46

a partnership for fun parties

12:48

and that type of thing. This guy named Scott

12:50

McAllister, who ever heard of worked for the Attorney

12:52

General's office, had photos

12:56

of those. It was the naked

12:58

hot tub stuff that was good. But it

13:01

was really relieving tensions after

13:03

work. And obviously there was the relationships

13:05

and everything, but I was totally

13:07

naive until Michael.

13:10

And then all of a sudden, this stuff came out and

13:13

the cons knew it. And

13:19

these subcultures and communities even

13:21

formed inside the prisons where

13:24

corruption like water also

13:26

found its way and likely

13:28

with even less resistance. There's

13:30

a culture community inside the prisons,

13:33

both sides, staff and the cons

13:35

in that type of thing. I used to find it fascinating.

13:38

As you met everybody this serial

13:40

killer called the I five bandit you

13:42

met Diane Downs. Diane

13:45

Downs is the notorious Oregon postal

13:47

worker who murdered her young daughter and

13:49

attempted to kill her two other children in

13:52

the nineteen nineties. At first,

13:54

she claimed the kids were shot during an attempted

13:56

carjacking. Then she showed up to

13:58

trial shockingly noticeably

14:01

pregnant. You met these people

14:04

live sitting like this close. But

14:06

it's just characters like that you find in a prison,

14:09

and Chuck says, prisons at the time didn't

14:11

exactly put the cell in celibate.

14:17

There was a lot of sexts going on, and

14:19

you would take your walkie talkies in those

14:21

days or whatever you want to call them. And there was

14:23

a couple of beep sounds that went out and that met

14:26

there was a supervisor in the area

14:28

coming straighten up. Let's

14:34

get back to someone. Chuck Sides mentioned

14:36

Scott McAllister. That's the assistant

14:39

A. G. Michael was having trouble removing

14:41

and his name will keep coming up.

14:44

And these girls in hot tubs.

14:47

McAllister apparently had photos.

14:50

He took them as my gas.

14:53

But there was a number of people there, I mean, but

14:55

he was a part of the Attourney General's office. That

14:57

was what they were doing. And so

15:01

there was that little cold out there

15:04

that in

15:07

every large um

15:10

community, both private and

15:12

public, you'll find there's

15:15

sin because we're all centers.

15:18

But you'll find fighting and you'll find

15:20

sex. After

15:24

moving to Salem in nineteen seventy four. Jim

15:27

Hill built an impressive career in

15:29

law and politics. Before

15:31

serving two terms as the state's treasurer,

15:34

he was an assistant attorney general, a

15:36

state representative, and a state

15:38

senator. He also filled

15:40

LB Day's vacant seat, who

15:43

passed after the eighty six investigation.

15:46

And Hill would have heard from the same prison

15:48

guards, the same inmates, and

15:50

the same officials who reported corruption

15:53

the first time. And I

15:55

remember when one of the conclusions

15:58

out of the investigation was

16:01

that the corrections institutions,

16:03

each and one of them, was run like a fiefdom.

16:06

And so that was always

16:09

something that that was out

16:11

there. Again. You

16:13

know when you talk about corrections, whenever

16:18

you're in close proximity

16:20

to unlawful people, you're

16:22

always concerned about that. Hill

16:27

says, a stubborn naivete

16:29

was firmly ingrained in the state.

16:32

And see, this was a time when

16:35

people felt that all the bad things

16:38

that happened everywhere else in the country

16:40

that can't happen in Oregon. You know,

16:42

we're above and we're better than that.

16:45

But once Michael uh Was

16:47

was murdered, obviously

16:49

that changed everything. But

16:53

Hill was well aware of an ongoing pattern

16:55

of corruption, particularly in

16:57

corrections, including the Asian

17:00

fire, which was arson for

17:02

insurance purposes. Well,

17:04

we knew about the fire, and

17:07

I'm going far back in my

17:09

memory banks now, but I

17:11

remember there was a discussion that

17:14

some people had now

17:16

for example, donated things to Corrections

17:19

for the inmates, and

17:22

that the inmates aren't getting

17:24

them, and that Corrections personnel

17:27

was taking them those things for

17:29

themselves or selling them or

17:32

whatever. As

17:36

time went on, as I started to put things

17:38

together, and this is just my

17:40

impression, this is my opinion,

17:43

that there were prominent

17:45

people in the community that

17:47

were involved in

17:50

illegal activity and

17:52

that that had to go into

17:55

the prisons. That's what makes

17:58

sense. I mean, can't be so naive

18:00

as to think that drugs don't get into

18:02

prison. And I just

18:04

started to get the impression that for

18:07

people to want to

18:09

take the risk of

18:12

killing the head of Corrections, there

18:14

was something very big that

18:16

was being hidden, and

18:20

it could have included a variety of people

18:23

from a variety of social classes

18:26

who had long profited from illegal

18:28

activities. You know, in a lot

18:30

of communities you find that when

18:32

you have the usual things of prostitution,

18:36

gambling, those kinds of things, sometimes

18:38

there are prominent people in the community

18:41

who have a connection to that. However,

18:45

when you start talking about drugs,

18:48

the antiques up tremendously

18:50

because number one, you're talking about

18:53

a lot of money, and you

18:56

are also starting

18:58

to get connected with some erry dangerous

19:02

people who will

19:05

do what's necessary to protect themselves.

19:15

And then there were the law officers themselves,

19:18

the people on the ground. J. Boutwell

19:21

was a detective in the Marion County Sheriff's

19:23

Department with more than two decades

19:25

of experience and firsthand knowledge

19:28

of rampant corruption. Well,

19:30

I know, after I got into investigations,

19:33

I determined and found out that it was more

19:36

corruption in this town than people

19:39

knew. We

19:41

were understaffed, some of the people were

19:43

not qualified. We had dirty carps, some

19:46

I wouldn't hire for damned ug kitchen, dirty

19:49

cops, dirty town about

19:52

Well says many of his fellow

19:54

police officers were more interested

19:56

in women than in doing police work.

20:00

They did middle with the girls in the office,

20:02

other clerks in the office. He didn't

20:04

matter if they were married, didn't make a damn to them.

20:06

They do it anyway. I don't

20:09

think there's one damn one of them

20:11

that I would allow my wife to ever right,

20:14

because I know what they talk, I

20:16

know what they do. But there

20:19

was that kind of stuff on, and we had the prostitution

20:21

going on just right under your nose. You didn't want to

20:23

do anything with it. Then we had the gamble

20:25

at the same thing. One

20:28

of the guys we tore out there was a former

20:30

Organs State Police officer fact

20:32

Confusion organ State. It must

20:34

have been curiated you. Oh yeah, because

20:37

like I told people, you know, I didn't come here for money.

20:39

I came here because I hate crooks. I

20:42

just got bet up in

20:45

person. Boutwell has a wiry, restrained

20:48

energy that crackles with intensity even

20:50

now. He's the sort of guy you don't want to cross,

20:53

and the type of guy you want on your

20:55

side. That's why I was known. He

20:58

don't screw with him because us

21:00

your head. It's easy to understand

21:02

how he got his nickname. That's why I got the name

21:04

mad Dog, and

21:08

nothing made him matter in corruption.

21:12

We took on the gambling, and then we took

21:14

on the prostitution, and

21:16

that prostitution was something else. For

21:19

years, uh there was a network

21:21

of prostitute house ever and known as uh

21:24

rub Shops, massage parlors, and

21:27

uh word was they

21:29

had worked it for many years trying to make

21:31

a prostitution case, but for some reason

21:33

couldn't do it well. In about six

21:35

weeks we cleaned the whole county out of I

21:38

think there was ten twelve, maybe fourteen

21:41

massage parlors that we got. And the man

21:43

I was after he was the king.

21:45

Penny owned most of the four corners and

21:47

was the inside actual owner,

21:50

insulating himself by hiring all these other

21:52

people. So the person we took

21:54

down was the French quarter. And

21:56

then there we arrested members of Salem's

21:59

Ethics can maybe, So that's kind of how that

22:01

went down, and

22:04

it went down with meticulous surveillance.

22:07

They put a guard inside

22:10

which was for us as an undercover, and

22:12

he was a former army intelligence

22:14

officer, so he was taking

22:16

notes. So we got politicians,

22:19

we got attorneys, we got

22:22

doctors, lawyers, big shots, people from

22:24

Oregon state or even here. We even

22:26

got police officers that were transport officers

22:28

from other cities here doing things of this nature.

22:31

It was out and out prostitution.

22:34

The bad thing what it was is because of

22:36

who we had in there is it

22:38

goes to Dale Penn for prosecution.

22:41

He was a district attorney and

22:43

because of who was in there, he

22:45

didn't take it. So he shoves over to St.

22:47

Gees office. And this is where it gets

22:49

really interesting, because

22:52

the case was never prosecuted. It

22:54

was we say it was swept on the carpet, and that's

22:56

what they basically did. But we had judge

22:58

in there. Even the name go out a Sloper

23:01

Bala sloper signing circuit cart. Yet

23:04

whoever we got in there with people you did

23:06

not believe. Boutwell

23:08

says, in addition to the high level, bold

23:11

faced names they ensnared, it was

23:13

also an air tight slam dunk

23:16

case. We had out and out RICO.

23:18

We could have did a RICO on it because of what was

23:20

going on. Who these big people were. RICO

23:23

stands for racketeer, influenced

23:26

and corrupt Organizations, a

23:28

federal law that provides for extended

23:30

criminal penalties for acts performed

23:32

as part of an ongoing criminal organization.

23:36

All kinds of criminal activity was

23:38

going on, drugs, you name, it was there. We

23:40

had paper trails, eyewitness

23:44

confessions by the jobs, and

23:46

fashions by the prostitutes, policified

23:48

needs with no way in hack he could

23:50

have lost that case. They

23:53

gave it over the A G. S Office. BAMS

23:55

just kind of like under the dirt. Nobody wants to talking

23:57

about it. Did you ever question

24:00

that I did well.

24:02

They were told that they were going to take take

24:04

it pro prosecution because they were going to work it.

24:07

Penn, he was kind of closed the mouth. Everybody

24:09

was closed mouth about it, you know.

24:11

Dang well, it was something that they didn't want out

24:14

in the news. And the more stories

24:16

about Well shared, the more I was reminded

24:18

of something Phil once told me. Salem

24:21

was like a big sweater and the thread of yarns

24:23

had pop loose, and they couldn't

24:25

afford to pull on it because the whole

24:28

thing might come apart back

24:33

to about well, there's a string of Arson's

24:35

that I worked that I know has

24:38

the same people in it, and

24:40

every one of those things were the same thing. And that

24:42

was at the time that Chris Van Dyck left

24:45

and left Michael Brown

24:47

as the district attorney, acting

24:50

total election. I'd

24:52

arrested a guy, the former Bailos

24:54

Supreme Court and I

24:56

took him of her several counts of juvenile

25:00

right right in sex crime donald

25:03

eleven year old girl over

25:05

serious of the month. If

25:08

these people all all got the same same

25:10

thing, all

25:13

tied together, just like

25:15

a sweater. And

25:21

apparently doing drugs also

25:23

bonded the social levels of Salem

25:25

at the time. Everyone was

25:28

doing it. The drug bars

25:30

in the city, the big coke bars were Jonathan's

25:32

in the Black Angles. The

25:35

large enters there would

25:37

have talked to me about how they preferred

25:40

to be tipped with little bundles of cocaine.

25:42

And there were the lobbyists, the politicians,

25:44

all the lawyers hanging out of these places.

25:47

Everyone was into it. Kevin even

25:49

told me that in the bathroom there

25:52

was a special area set up

25:54

just to do coke and Jonathan's.

25:56

Yeah, there was a mirror and everyone

26:00

knew it. Yeah, it was an open secret.

26:03

And I've talked to people who did coke

26:05

with judges, with politicians.

26:08

Of course it was accepted and

26:10

it was immediately compromising. That's

26:12

the problem here, that's the problem.

26:41

A man we will only refer to by his

26:43

first name, Robert, had a front

26:45

row seat to those compromised. He

26:48

was a teen when he was hired to basically show

26:50

for a guy named Ron Spears, who

26:53

managed an auto repair shop and Salem

26:55

that provided more than just auto service.

27:00

Started off driving him to work. Sometimes

27:03

he'd say, I come back about noon. Sometimes

27:06

I'd show up pick him up, and

27:08

I'd have to wait an hour, sometimes an

27:10

hour and a half. I'd stand around

27:13

and see what was going on, and

27:15

I didn't really say much. They're

27:17

working on a lot of state and county

27:19

vehicles, and they had parking on the roof.

27:22

So it started off a couple of weeks

27:25

of that, and then in the evening

27:27

we'd drive around and he'd

27:30

make pickups. As he put it, he'd

27:32

be picking up cash. Ron

27:35

was very proud of his welding

27:37

skills, and he'd had me

27:40

look at a car and some of the old county

27:42

and state cars they had back. Then you

27:45

go see if you can find the compartment. Yeah,

27:47

I go where he goes, Okay, look

27:50

at look in the back. So I look in the back.

27:52

I tried pulling carpet back and everything. Then

27:54

he'd showed me in thirty seconds he'd have a compartment

27:57

open. So he'd custom fit

27:59

these cars with hidden compartments. Yeah,

28:01

and a lot of the cars had the little cage in

28:04

the back. So these were corrections

28:06

vehicles that were used to transport

28:09

inmates. I assume one

28:11

of the times when he's mixing his

28:13

beer with his queyludes and he'd

28:16

he'd talk a lot. That's how you

28:18

get him in the prison. They

28:20

have their own auto shop in there. They know when it's

28:23

coming, the guards know when it's coming. Yeah,

28:26

So they were transporting drugs into

28:28

the prison official

28:31

vehicles, including the District Attorney's

28:33

office. Uh, there's one lady

28:35

that he was having a thing with. She'd always

28:38

have her car down there and

28:40

he would place round

28:42

cylinder. Thing, why didn't she stick out

28:44

in your head? Because

28:47

she was down there a lot, especially

28:49

for their after hours. You

28:51

know, they'd kiss and all that. She

28:54

was hooked. I think she

28:57

was doing the same thing he was speed in the morning,

28:59

queludes and night, and she

29:01

worked at the district attorneys es. Sure,

29:10

all these CD stories sound salacious,

29:13

but Phil who has written four books

29:15

on corruption, says these sort

29:17

of situations are as American

29:19

as apple pie. Well, I

29:22

think it's probably fairly typical

29:24

of a lot of cities at the

29:26

time. My first book, Portland

29:28

Confidential, was about Portland's back

29:30

in the fifties when the old style

29:33

payoff system was in force. It was actually

29:35

part of city government in Portland

29:38

in most major cities across the country, at

29:40

the end of the month, the

29:42

police captains and the head of the vice squad

29:44

would go out to the major vice operators

29:47

and collect what was due based

29:49

on the number of card tables,

29:51

number of prostitutes and so forth,

29:54

and then divving it up to the city council, the

29:56

mayor, and other certain high ranking

29:58

police officials. My last it was

30:00

about a suppressed vice scandal in

30:02

Portland in the seventies, which is more like what

30:05

was going on in Salem at the time. At

30:07

that time, in Portland, the narcotics

30:10

squad was actually putting drug

30:12

dealers to work for them. They bust them, but they wouldn't

30:14

take them in and arrest them. They just put

30:16

them to work time and time again, and

30:19

uh they would take large percentage

30:21

of the deal. They would take drugs off the street

30:24

from other drug dealers and give

30:26

them to their favorite drug dealers. They put them back

30:28

on the street. So that's the sort of

30:30

thing that was going on in Salem.

30:33

It wasn't that unusual. The

30:36

drug money is so

30:38

big it is hard to resist, and inevitably

30:40

you're going to have narcotics cops

30:42

who fall into it, and

30:45

there are a number of dirty narcotics cops

30:47

in Salem there, but beyond

30:49

that, even those who don't become corrupt

30:51

are compromised just because of the very nature

30:54

of drug enforcement. The

30:57

only way they can do it, since it's basically

30:59

a cary that neither side

31:02

is going to report the other four,

31:04

is to team up with half the drug

31:07

dealers, usually after they busted

31:09

them, and get them to turn in their competition.

31:11

It's instantly compromising and very often

31:14

leads to corruption. Was there an organized

31:16

drug dealing group or gang in

31:19

Salem? There? There were several. It's

31:21

a big businesses a major part of

31:23

the economy in Salem any place else,

31:25

And so you had a number of people cooking

31:27

math. They had to have their distribution systems,

31:30

people bringing in cocaine, heroin,

31:33

and of course then marijuana was illegal.

31:35

That was a big part of it too. And one

31:38

of them, of course, was what we

31:40

call the Kaiser Mafia, a bunch of

31:42

guys who had grown up together in the attached

31:44

suburb of Kaiser, started in high

31:46

school, dealing drugs, breaking

31:48

into places, getting into all sorts

31:50

of trouble, but then figuring out

31:52

how to stay out of it. That

31:55

strategy apparently included paying

31:58

off the local cops, some of whom

32:00

they'd grown up and gone to school with, and

32:03

cultivating business connections that reached

32:05

behind bars. Vince Taylor

32:08

ran with the Kaiser Mafia. It's just

32:10

a bunch of group of guys that consider

32:12

themselves untouchable, you know, with a

32:14

lot of money and a lot of stuff. And they

32:17

were running Kaiser in a sense where you

32:19

know, if you didn't buy from them, then you better have an

32:21

excuse why you don't buy them from them. They or

32:23

asked them if it's okay to get it somewhere

32:26

else, you know, stuff like that, and

32:28

their drug dealing territory also

32:30

included the prisons. Yeah,

32:33

oh definitely. One of

32:35

the members of the Kaiser Mafia was

32:37

Taylor's childhood friend, a

32:39

guy named Tim Natividad,

32:42

who was also known as Rooster. He's

32:45

someone whole heavily figure into multiple

32:47

facets and theories about Mike Frankie's

32:49

murder. A good looking guy with dark

32:51

hair, dark eyes, and symmetrical features,

32:54

but even as a kid, Natividad

32:57

came with a past. I

33:00

met Tim two days after

33:03

he got here. I think he came here on with the witness

33:05

protection program type thing with his mom

33:08

became instantly friends with him. I

33:10

mean, I don't know when the exact was, but I

33:12

mean, like in the eighties and

33:16

then Tim started using drugs, major

33:19

personality changed. He was one

33:21

person is that I can think of that should

33:23

have never ever got involved in that kind of thing

33:25

because he was a totally different

33:27

person. Going to people's house and

33:30

you know, they owe money, and he would

33:32

get crazy, you know, I mean, God,

33:34

for twenty dollars, twenty dollars,

33:36

you're gonna beat him to death, you know, I mean, it's

33:38

kind of ridiculous. He was violent,

33:41

very violent. I mean, he probably full of gun on

33:43

me at least in my lifetime ten times,

33:46

and two of the times pulled the trigger, but there

33:48

was misfired you know, I didn't

33:50

shoot. So Tim

33:57

got a reputation and many in

34:00

fluting officials and corrections knew

34:02

he was violent. Do you think

34:04

that it's possible that Tim

34:07

killed Michael Frankie? I do. I

34:09

do. Yeah, I almost guarantee

34:12

it that on it. Why. I

34:14

just believe he did because he

34:17

did a lot of crazy stuff didn't know one knew

34:19

about, and then would have a huge amount

34:21

of money, you know, and then what I heard,

34:24

but you know, I can't tell you this for

34:26

sure, but that he was paid to do that, you

34:28

know, by prison. People didn't

34:30

were involved, and we're stressing

34:33

Frankie coming out with some crazy stuff.

34:35

You know, it would have ended their job, career and everything.

34:37

You know, Tim, he was capable of

34:40

doing that. And I'm funny how he got killed

34:42

with a knife, and that was Tim's main thing. He

34:44

always had multiple knives

34:47

on him, always had one in his

34:49

hand with a blade out, always,

34:51

always, always. I can't ever say for sure,

34:53

but I would say he has. Anybody in this whole

34:55

world would be the one responsible for that.

35:08

On the next episode of Murder and Oregon,

35:12

Corruption and Drugs Shatter

35:15

Families, that was at home taking care of

35:17

the baby, being a good girl while

35:19

he was out selling drugs instigating

35:21

violence. I was terrified. I knew

35:23

he was going to kill me and grab that damn good

35:26

and evil he had

35:28

shot and killed him as

35:31

her boyfriend, her husband, and

35:33

she just started screaming. All

35:36

tied to the same man and

35:38

possibly to the murder of

35:40

Michael Frankie.

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