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Cast. Thursday,

1:12

2nd January 1969. At

1:15

10.30am. Victoria

1:18

Station. Through

1:22

the turnstile, Alec Yannick departed the train, blending

1:25

in amongst the families, shoppers and commuters.

1:29

Dressed in a once

1:31

neat, now slightly shabby suit, although

1:33

it was bitterly cold outside, he

1:36

wiped a bead of sweat from his furrowed brow

1:39

with a dirt-sodden hand, as pain ripped

1:41

across his face. His

1:44

injured back was arched and aching, as

1:48

with his one good

1:50

eye, red raw with exhaustion and tears. In his arms, he grinned and

1:54

sighed. He

1:56

was a man of his

1:58

word. Leveled with

2:00

an unwieldy Kalpoe box which is good

2:03

to is just. Plain

2:08

twelve I was with. likely for cool.

2:10

That's roughly the same as a second

2:12

Spots. Alec

2:14

yeah Next was a man out of his depth.

2:17

As although he was famously meticulous

2:19

when he came to research the

2:21

military aircraft. Faced

2:24

with the task of disposing of a

2:26

dead body or at least part of

2:28

a dead body, He

2:31

hadn't a clue what to do, why to do

2:33

it? I

2:38

wanted to get rid of it quickly.

2:40

Alec confessed. So

2:42

I got the train to Mitch. I

2:45

went to some woodson is it and realized

2:47

I couldn't scrip a whole with my hands.

2:50

So he returned still carrying

2:52

the head. With

2:56

evokes too heavy to carry hope. He

2:59

poverty didn't the twenty four hour

3:01

lucky number forty four and looked.

3:07

I was glad to get rid of it. I

3:09

felt it was evil. But

3:12

he knew he would have to return to it

3:14

sued. The.

3:20

Police mistakenly believed that the

3:23

murderers Eleanor Essence. Was.

3:25

A monster. An

3:28

experience serial killer or sadistic. Such

3:30

a bass owing to the neat,

3:32

meticulous weights good of a body.

3:37

Only it wasn't. As

3:40

being nothing more than trial and error. Alec

3:43

yeah Next made many mistakes. In

3:47

the first he had already made. His

3:53

alec returned to his gloomy Grenfell

3:56

flat kinda willis. through

4:00

the darkness and the distinct lack of

4:02

festive cheer. Gone

4:05

was the familiar shrill as Nora barked

4:07

at a slave. As

4:18

although now mercifully quiet, he

4:21

couldn't savour its silence, as

4:23

between the twin beds his girlfriend

4:26

lay, minus

4:28

her head. So

4:33

how did he get to this point? On

4:38

Sunday 29th December 1968, having

4:42

bludgeoned Nora to death with a broken air pistol,

4:47

I didn't know what to do, so

4:50

for four days he did

4:52

nothing. He

4:55

went to work, he did his job,

4:58

he came back home and

5:00

with nobody having reported a missing, as

5:03

promised, neither did he. Each

5:07

night he slept in the armchair in the sitting room,

5:10

as slowly her decaying headless

5:12

remains lay oozing. On

5:19

1st January 1969, Alec took two days off. Having

5:26

been Nora's skivvy for months, no

5:28

one at McDonald Publishing queried this, as they

5:31

believed she was still making his

5:33

sad little life hell. That

5:38

day, I decided the only

5:40

solution was to dismember and bury

5:43

her body, something

5:45

he had no experience of not being

5:47

a monster. I

6:00

drank half of the bottle. I

6:03

don't usually drink. I

6:08

went up to Nora's body. I

6:11

shut her eyes. And

6:14

with the hacksaw, I

6:17

cut off her head. I

6:23

felt sick. I

6:25

vomited next to the body. But

6:30

with her murder, as unplanned as her disposal,

6:34

he didn't have anything useful to wrap her in, so

6:37

being frantic, upset and exhausted. He

6:40

grabbed what was to hand, like

6:43

a shirt, a woollen cardigan and a cotton

6:45

tea towel, not

6:47

even once thinking about how quick

6:49

the skull would decompose. The

6:57

next day, things were different. His

7:00

rational brain had kicked in. So having

7:02

glugged back the last looks of the vodka, I

7:05

cut up the rest of her body. He

7:09

began by disarticulating the hips and the knees. As

7:13

even with a basic knowledge of biology, everybody

7:16

knows that once the joints are separated, it

7:19

would be a lot easier than the other. I

7:22

was able to get a lot of attention from him. I

7:25

was able to get a lot of attention from him. Once the joints

7:27

are separated, it would be

7:29

a lot easier than sawing through bone. After

7:34

that, like a manual, it

7:36

was just a case of repetition. I

7:41

cut off the arms, again

7:43

disarticulating and severing the joint. I

7:47

was surprised there was hardly any blood. And

7:51

with the body divided into portable bits, it

7:54

would be a lot easier and less obvious to

7:57

carry across stone. On

8:02

the Chiswick High Road, I

8:04

went to Woolworth's and bought four sets of

8:06

plastic sheets and three wheels of string. I

8:11

got some newspaper, one

8:13

of several old copies of the evening standard, he

8:15

kept in his sitting room to light the fire,

8:19

and I used these to wrap them up. Not

8:24

a single second of this was

8:26

a well thought out ploy to cunningly throw

8:28

off the detectives of his scent. It

8:32

was simply that, as bodies ooze as

8:35

they decompose, it

8:37

didn't take an expert to know that he had to wrap

8:39

them, as he could

8:41

smell it. Saturday

8:51

4th January 1969. ATM

8:56

Chiswick. Out

9:01

of the front door of Kendall Villas, Alec

9:04

dragged the first back, which contained a tool

9:06

zone, as

9:10

a small weak man with a disabled back, with

9:14

the back being as big as a 20 kilo sack

9:16

of coal, but weighing 10 kilos

9:18

more. And

9:20

that was a mission for him to carry. I

9:25

just about managed to carry it up a southern lane,

9:28

but I had to put it down four times as it

9:30

was too heavy. So

9:33

instead of getting the tube, I

9:35

stopped a taxi. Where

9:40

to go? A Victoria's

9:42

station please. Why

9:44

don't I? Blimey,

9:47

you're not packing light. Where you going? Anywhere

9:50

nice. But the truth

9:52

was, Alec hadn't decided. With

9:57

Mitchamawashout. Having only briefly

9:59

looked at the scene. transport map for the largest

10:01

patch of green he could see. He had

10:04

chosen Ashford Woods. Oh

10:09

nice, you got relatives sir? Um

10:13

yeah, sort of. As

10:19

a gentleman, Alec chatted

10:21

to the driver, Tepter Michelin

10:24

and wished him a pleasant day, as

10:28

he dragged the large and wieldy bag onto

10:30

the concourse of Victoria station. It

10:37

may seem strange that nobody batted an eye

10:39

lid. Not even the

10:42

constables on duty, as

10:44

the profusely sweating man struggling to

10:46

drag a body sized bag across

10:48

one of London's busiest stations in

10:50

broad daylight. But

10:54

then, everyone had a bag which was

10:56

fed to burst. With

11:02

the legs alone weighing 18 kilos, the

11:05

same as half of a bag of cement, and

11:09

the arms the length of two cricket bats, and

11:11

adding an extra 5 kilos to the load. Just

11:15

those trips to the station took him the rest

11:17

of the day and knackered him out. And

11:20

with the flat still needing to be cleaned, along

11:25

with the head, he stashed the

11:27

torso and limbs in the left luggage lockers, as

11:30

tomorrow he would bear with him. Saturday

11:39

the 5th of January 1969, 7am, Victoria station. Mercifully,

11:50

the snow had stopped. But

11:53

with the ground still rock hard, He

11:56

strapped the spade onto the side. Dragon.

12:01

A bag to the floor spruce. He

12:03

then bought a bunch of red roses

12:05

but he didn't board the train to

12:07

list. Having

12:10

done a little more research, I

12:13

found a bus which rent director stood woods.

12:17

Or got a taxi from Victoria Station to

12:19

Hyde Park Corner. I'm asked

12:21

for a ticket to deliver. Had golf course.

12:28

Set on board of a Green Line bus for

12:30

ninety minutes. As

12:32

he often did, he was pleasant with

12:34

anyone who spoke to him. As

12:37

in the rec, he stashed a bulging

12:39

back to tending a torso. And

12:43

helped of affection past. With

12:50

the road quiet in the golf course empty.

12:54

I waited for the bus to go. An

12:57

agenda behind some bushes and covered

12:59

with branches. Being

13:02

on the cusp of a dense and impenetrable

13:04

would with no have says and so it.

13:08

Having left it in a discarded has

13:10

seen sec. A new

13:12

for now. He would be safe.

13:18

By. Noon. He returned to

13:20

the Tories station to collect the back of

13:22

limbs from the Luck. And

13:25

repeated the journey to from Hyde Park

13:27

to package Passed. By

13:31

then it was getting dumped. A

13:36

good degrees. Which

13:38

sept isn't. It snapped his back wall.

13:41

As with the soil, as solid as bricks. And

13:44

the whole crisscrossing with tree roots. He

13:48

couldn't baby the talks as deep as he

13:50

wanted. So each

13:52

place was far too shallow. And

13:58

besides. To. Reddit

14:00

woman's body in a dense would. No

14:04

One. Except

14:07

maybe the Humphrey Fox. With.

14:16

The sunlight beginning to fade and

14:19

the burial almost complete. As

14:22

he don't he done twice a day. Alex

14:25

was the back to Victoria Station

14:27

to collect the final piece of

14:29

Eleanor Essence. Said.

14:36

Clutch in the key. As

14:39

he turn the handles to locker forty

14:41

four. The gave a

14:43

satisfying click as it on lot. But

14:47

is he opened just. Walks.

15:00

The. Was and. It

15:12

was the right look at avoid station

15:14

in the hunt for t. So

15:17

the only logical months Was it someone?

15:19

it opened it and in the box?

15:23

With do. The Police.

15:28

I didn't know what to do. An

15:32

overly panicked the perhaps a detective was

15:34

watching and was ready to paths. The

15:38

answer was staring him in the face.

15:42

Is above His head was a large selling

15:44

which read. Twenty four

15:46

Hour lock. It

15:51

had been there for three days.

15:53

The station staff has pleaded out

15:55

that morning. and

15:58

with a decapitated head or the being

16:00

examined by Scotland Yard or

16:02

not. I

16:04

decided after all of this I

16:07

had to go through with it. So

16:11

going to lost property, he

16:13

explained his situation, he

16:16

apologized, he paid the fine and

16:19

he got the box back. No

16:23

one had checked inside or even queried its

16:25

weight and with the

16:27

package already starting to smell, they

16:30

were just happy to get rid of it. By

16:36

that time it was well into the

16:38

evening and with the

16:40

city gripped by a bitterly cold darkness

16:42

and the buses to packaging park having

16:44

stopped. Alec

16:46

caught the train to Yule but

16:49

with no taxes there to give him a lift. I

16:53

walked in the direction I assumed was to

16:55

the woods and

16:57

it took three hours until I reached the

16:59

road. Cold

17:05

aching and exhausted. I

17:08

buried the head, it

17:10

broke the spade and I threw it away.

17:14

I planted some red roses with the box. Into

17:18

a tree I remember cutting the letter N

17:21

as in Norva. Only

17:24

this wasn't a clue to torment the police but

17:28

a memorial to the woman he loved. Back

17:35

home I tried to clean the

17:37

carpet. It was too

17:39

bloody so I cut it out and

17:41

threw it away as

17:44

well as the hacksaw into a metal

17:46

disposal truck near Southern Lane. Miraculously

17:53

even though he had no idea what he was doing, Threw

17:57

a little bit of planning and a meticulous mind.

18:00

Somehow. He had gotten away

18:03

with murder. January

18:10

Ninety Sixty Nine. Chizik.

18:21

When the neighbors este. Alec

18:23

told them she finally left

18:25

me. With

18:28

nobody clear it but he was just

18:30

nice not to have a medic. So

18:33

most evenings this quiet little man

18:36

sat in reading a book. He

18:41

said the same to his colleagues. And

18:43

with a no longer still give

18:46

the of is moot Improved. And

18:50

is this stuff at Latvia? Have Snoop! Having

18:54

paid nor was outstanding bill they

18:56

gave him a stuff and clear

18:58

that limp sixteen. With

19:04

at least the last decade of his life

19:06

being loveless, He

19:08

admitted he enjoyed the new found freedom

19:10

a danger single men. And

19:13

in June at ten said the

19:15

Hammersmith Ballet he met a girl

19:17

called Deniers Albert. They

19:21

dated. They said unless. A

19:24

by the August. She had

19:26

moved into Can Do This and they

19:28

lived happily together. And

19:32

with Nova no longer, they discovered him.

19:36

He rekindled his relationship with

19:38

his daughter Linda. He

19:44

had a new life know with

19:46

new loves, hopes and dreams. So

19:50

with no need of reminders of the

19:52

life he wants hat as the memory

19:54

of her say that as fast. as

19:56

as gun in the shallow grave telling

20:00

his loved ones. She didn't

20:02

want the gifts that I gave her. Her

20:05

dresses, her shoes, her rings and her fur

20:07

coat were all given away.

20:12

And with no one reporting her missing, as

20:15

even the police had a long list of dates

20:17

she had vanished without a trace, only

20:20

to return when and if she wanted to. She

20:26

wasn't seen as lost, just

20:28

absent. But

20:41

although she had disappeared from Alex's life, Norah

20:45

was always present in his

20:47

mind. In

20:53

his diary for Sunday the 29th

20:55

of December 1969, a

20:58

year after her death, he

21:00

wrote, Anniversary, I

21:04

think very much about N and

21:06

how it happened. Nightmares.

21:12

As with a hole still cut in the

21:14

carpet under the twin beds as

21:16

a never ending reminder of what he had done.

21:20

Dr. Stracy prescribed him sleeping

21:22

pills. Alec

21:27

just wanted to get on with his life. But

21:32

although she was dead, Norah

21:34

still taunted him. Sunday

21:45

the 29th of August 1971, two and a half years later and 16

21:51

miles south. As

21:57

The green keeper's heart is close to the 10th hole

21:59

bunker. No Miss Jones.

22:03

I finished up my duties at

22:05

Seven, forty eight hours a week

22:07

to those among different crest of

22:09

the Central Debunk I said to

22:11

both. Stripped

22:14

of me and freshly dug from a

22:16

shallow grave. He

22:18

was the first of many that would elect

22:20

for police. On

22:27

first, the second to September

22:29

Nineteen Seventy One the do

22:31

story When Mr. Reporting. To

22:34

beings that are vital to married to

22:37

defy a woman whose hand and for

22:39

were found less at golf course. He

22:45

hadn't remove the rings, as he hadn't occurred to

22:47

him to do so. Good

22:50

with the police now hunting a killer. Again,

22:54

Alec clean the flat. And

22:56

this time with his landlady permission.

22:59

He. Had the carpet replaced. The

23:05

police with losing in any

23:07

news. On

23:18

Saturday the thirteenth, December Nineteen Seventy

23:20

was a five fifty five pm.

23:24

Alec in Deniers was set in

23:26

sitting room with Kindle business Watch

23:28

on Tv. As

23:32

a short, public service programs after

23:34

the early evening news. Police

23:37

Five was a five minute long appeal

23:39

by the Police hosted by show Taylor.

23:44

The episode was by to Woman's

23:46

Body founded Leatherhead. Deniers.

23:51

Told Alec. I thought it could have

23:53

been know her. As

23:56

she knew that nor had left him. But

23:58

hadn't returned for almost two years. The

24:02

the description much to details. That

24:05

the artist's sketch looked oddly familiar to

24:07

the photos she'd seen as a. As

24:10

did the Amber stone necklace of has which

24:12

Alec had given to her. But.

24:16

Alec denied this. With.

24:21

The rings and the dental records

24:23

leaving detectives demands field. Even

24:26

his own family queried is the killer was

24:28

him. With. Linda

24:30

stating. My mother esters

24:32

where did we thought as was capable

24:34

of such a crime. And

24:36

She said notes. As he just

24:39

to do so. Having

24:43

rule that they're most likely suspect. A

24:46

violent ex husband Alexander essence.

24:50

The. Police. His next and only prime

24:52

suspect was the man's to lasts

24:54

or a life. But

24:58

with no evidence against him. And

25:00

been meek most and a gentleman.

25:04

Is it was. They.

25:06

Would need to spook into making a

25:08

mistake. On

25:15

Thursday the eighteenth in November, the press

25:17

announced an alert went out to all

25:20

ports and airports to look for a

25:22

month. The police want to help them

25:24

with their inquiries. That

25:29

day Detective Constable Gray kept surveillance

25:31

act as he left his office

25:33

on Poland Street and so when

25:35

to the King's Had Pub on

25:37

cable streets were on usually for

25:40

such a soap unless he drank

25:42

two lists. Enlist

25:44

Square. He bought a newspaper,

25:46

looking at each page, slimming.

25:50

And the to pawnbrokers in Newport court

25:52

he tried to sell know was watch.

25:58

with him suitably know The

26:01

next day, Friday the 19th, the

26:04

newspapers reported, The

26:07

woman whose dismembered body was found at

26:09

Leatherhead Golf Course was

26:11

named as Eleanor Essens. She

26:15

lived in Mansfield until 1965 and

26:18

then moved to London where inquiries

26:20

are being concentrated. Upon

26:26

hearing that, a monster would have fled.

26:30

But having lived with the pain of his actions for

26:32

the last three years, Alec

26:35

could not. In

26:39

the afternoon, Alec walked into

26:42

West End Central Police Station and

26:44

voluntarily gave a statement. Initially,

26:49

they weren't entirely the truth, as

26:52

in his eyes he hadn't committed a murder.

26:57

With his flat at Kendall Villas, examined by

26:59

a forensics team, a

27:02

fingerprint found on a bowl in the cupboard

27:04

confirmed Nora's ID. But

27:07

with no traces of blood, there

27:09

was no evidence of a murder at the flat.

27:14

In fact, as a Latvian refugee

27:17

who was still traumatized by the war. Hidden

27:21

behind his radio, he had a fully working

27:23

and loaded pistol. So

27:26

if he had wanted to kill her, he

27:28

could have shot her. Only

27:31

he didn't. On

27:36

the 11th of January 1972, Alec

27:39

was charged with Nora's murder in

27:41

a risky strategy by the police to make

27:43

him confess. As

27:46

they knew that their evidence against him

27:49

was purely circumstantial. There

27:52

were no witnesses, no blood, no

27:55

fingerprints, no weapon, no

27:57

motive, And no crime scene for

27:59

the murder. He

28:02

hadn't fled bragged, or financially benefited

28:04

from her death. And

28:07

just as no one could recall in

28:09

Victoria stations leatherhead or West and Woods.

28:14

Except for the little drinks party in their

28:16

land ladies Flat on Christmas Day. Know

28:19

that, See, know, So

28:25

she could have left of ruin. A

28:27

court is Alex and Set. The

28:37

case against and again next was about to

28:39

collapse. But

28:41

he was his own conscience. Would. You

28:43

door with convicted in. Place

28:48

by Nightmares. And the

28:50

knowledge that still loving her. He

28:52

had denied him a proper burial. The.

28:55

Next day. Speaking. To

28:57

Detective Superintendent Shaming. Early

29:00

confessed. I've been thinking it

29:02

over. And. I've decided I should

29:04

tell you what did happen. I

29:08

killed her. She was

29:10

overbooked to me. In

29:21

the interview room with dogs and police station. He.

29:24

Confessed. Only wanted

29:26

to knock are unconscious, not to

29:28

kill. To

29:31

I can cause for of the old Bank

29:33

for Monday the second to Friday the sims

29:35

of July Nineteen Seventy Two. Alexander

29:38

Yandex pleaded not guilty to

29:41

murder. Given

29:44

the evidence, He admitted to

29:46

killing Eleanor, The Essence. Dismembered

29:48

body and burying them in

29:51

three shallow graves. But

29:54

with Basil Wicked or Qc

29:57

arguing defense of extreme provocation.

30:00

Having retired the ninety minutes,

30:02

the jury returned with unanimous

30:04

verdict. Of

30:07

guilty of manslaughter but provocation.

30:11

With justice one something up. Despite

30:14

the circumstances of provocation he used

30:17

a terrible weapons which happened to

30:19

come to hunt I do you

30:21

thought about it. I think

30:23

you could have overpowered. But

30:26

hindsight is a wonderful thing. And

30:29

besides. This wasn't the culmination

30:32

of one flight which got out of hand.

30:35

But the end of twelve

30:37

years, a persistent abuse, humiliation,

30:39

and a suffix. On

30:46

The Twelve, The July Nineteen Seventy Two. Forty

30:49

four year old Alexander Linda Dmx

30:51

was sentenced to three years in

30:53

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30:55

having quietly served a little over to

30:58

his. Own to could

31:00

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31:02

Seventy Fourth. Having

31:06

walk free from women's groups for isn't. Prisoner:

31:09

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31:12

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31:15

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31:18

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34:09

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34:11

surround sound of The Parakeets.

34:14

That. Be quiet all day and then I

34:16

just press record and then a big flock

34:18

of the little green best has turned

34:20

up and decided to go. Do.

34:29

Oh shoot them. Anyway, Book.

34:32

Of the extra mile the unscripted on

34:34

his has been blah blah blah a

34:36

new people wife as stuff to say

34:38

this alone with two hundred forty of

34:41

says in us thus disk sometimes people

34:43

start the end up with if you're

34:45

starting on par for meticulous to him

34:47

why he got three Empathy None of

34:49

this would make sense. Or

34:52

you'll ruin everything in the of

34:54

the anyway. anyway. So ah, a

34:57

dispute. We do some chat, we

34:59

do some quiz. Christians are thirty

35:01

one. on some details in the case

35:03

and then i have bogost coffee shop

35:06

which community shortly some let me just

35:08

let me just for on gonna have

35:10

a a teeth. And

35:12

gums Hip hop on my. It's.

35:19

Black Coffee. Trying to get back a

35:21

month off my diet again because the.

35:24

That in exactly. Balloon.

35:27

But enough since the last Ah was going

35:29

on. While the way for the T to

35:31

the waterproof hub Pch he popped by the

35:33

other day but could also be noted on

35:36

which Pools of Blood to. Thanks very much

35:38

Police Constable Austin Guinness That was great! We

35:40

we recorded three new episodes of New Blue

35:42

which is good. Phone is lovely to love

35:45

to see Bcg again him send him in

35:47

ages Well. November. say

35:49

it's his essay just we had fallen

35:51

i lose him indecisive is like a

35:54

donkey with a cow eyes to lumens

35:56

with high quality burgers with hulu me

35:58

and summer some icy cold Guinnesses. If

36:01

you need PCAG to do something, high quality

36:03

burgers with halloumi and Guinness, that's what you

36:05

do. That's what you do.

36:07

That was good, so thank you PCAG. Those

36:10

episodes were coming out probably July-ish. I'm

36:13

away on holiday in July as mentioned last week, so I'm

36:15

gonna put them out that week, so therefore I

36:18

can, you know, those episodes are done, I'd

36:20

have to think about doing stuff which

36:22

is great. Gives me a little bit of breather space to

36:24

do research as well. What

36:26

else is going on? Tomorrow I'm gonna head

36:29

off to a mate's party, my mate's 50th

36:31

birthday and the dress code is distressed

36:34

elegance. Yeah,

36:37

did you just cut your head to the

36:39

side and go, what? Yeah,

36:41

exactly, distressed elegance. No

36:43

idea. I've got a feeling it's gonna be, I'm gonna turn

36:45

up and it will make sense when I get there because

36:48

I've googled it and I don't really understand. I think I

36:50

know roughly what it is, but I've

36:52

got a feeling I'll turn up there and

36:54

my mate whose party is, I'll turn up

36:56

and I'll see his costume and I go,

36:58

ah okay, so you have the costume already

37:00

sorted first and then you thought this

37:02

should be the thing. It's like when you go

37:05

to a party and someone goes, yeah, they're

37:07

specific and they go, yeah, yeah, the

37:09

theme is mid-1980s sci-fi,

37:14

violent sci-fi movies and you go, oh god,

37:17

that really narrows it down and then you

37:19

turn up and there they've splashed out on

37:21

15,000 pound brand-new robocop

37:25

outfit with all those, you go, ah

37:27

okay, that's why, that's why, so yeah,

37:29

we'll see. It's tomorrow and normally for

37:31

fancy dress I would be well prepared

37:33

for this, but I've spent the last

37:35

two weeks, because we're two weeks nervous,

37:38

trying to work out what it

37:40

is. I've no idea what distressed elegance is.

37:42

I think I'm gonna

37:44

have to invent a t-shirt and it's

37:47

one of those things where you can't even make a

37:49

joke out of it. I can't

37:52

even, yeah, anyway, I'll

37:54

work it out. I've got until tomorrow so

37:56

I think I know roughly what I might

37:58

do. The yeah,

38:00

I'm. A

38:02

if you ah a patron

38:05

subscriber. Each week

38:07

or so on a Thursday when the subsidies

38:09

that a do bad nano meters which is

38:11

up a little like ten fifteen minute. Episode

38:14

the goes out and I read two things

38:16

that you won't get anywhere else and read

38:18

like a witness statements or autopsy reports with

38:20

things are that would help you with the

38:22

case. So an egg those big good fun

38:24

so are are Hope I hope you enjoyed

38:26

that and that's for everyone on patron so

38:28

does matter what t one that that's a

38:31

that's a new Phoebe for as once I

38:33

hope you're enjoying it. What

38:36

else is going on by the time this

38:38

goes out it will be my birthday happy

38:40

birthday me will eve of got me a

38:42

present know boucher give me some time off

38:44

work know as you pull it out on

38:46

some duties for me but ah at thanks

38:48

you too pch he he help me with

38:50

what year i am at wage i am

38:52

because. I so I was

38:54

year older than I was. Bomb on know. So.

38:57

A disease and a year old. the me

38:59

or he was able to go. Know.

39:01

You have You must be this age known

39:04

as a ah didn't know so at this

39:06

great so a birthday present to me is

39:08

a again the year or or I'm not

39:10

as old as I saw I was gonna

39:13

be. So there we go. Ah lit listed

39:15

a quick Christians we must stop halfway the

39:17

owner let's let's let's stop moink. In.

39:31

My in my plastic with both

39:33

plastic recite the attack almost tripped

39:36

over your little hat. Ah ah

39:38

I was. Ah, i

39:41

use my little recyclable starbucks macgyver

39:43

news a hoax is a thermal

39:45

one the it holds the he

39:47

really nicely so out there we

39:49

go cause michael your life is

39:51

so exciting right list is impressed

39:53

questions at dusk and sicilian so

39:56

questionable one where was alec coming

39:58

from when he left the train

40:00

at Victoria station. So

40:02

when he was coming into Victoria station on the train, where

40:05

was he coming from? Question

40:08

number two, what was the locker number

40:11

that the head was stored in at

40:13

Victoria station? Question

40:17

number three, what was the name of the company that

40:19

he worked for? Question

40:22

number four, why couldn't he dig a

40:24

hole first? So

40:27

when he first tried to get rid of the head, why couldn't

40:29

he dig a hole? That's all the question should have been. Question

40:32

number five, why did he,

40:34

where did he, question

40:37

number five, where did he buy the

40:39

plastic sheeting from? Question

40:43

number six, how heavy were Nora's legs?

40:47

You can't just say very, you have to give it

40:49

to me in kilos. Question

40:51

number seven, what type of bus, are you the

40:53

brand of the bus took him to Ashton Woods?

40:57

Question number eight, what bus stop did he get

41:00

off at to bury the body? Question

41:04

number nine, how long was the

41:06

TV show Police Five? And

41:10

question number ten, who hosted Police Five? So

41:14

there we go, there we go. So

41:17

the locker, the locker, we'll dive into

41:19

some extra stuff. So the the the

41:22

locker, a Victoria

41:24

station, we're kind of

41:26

just, as you come in through the

41:28

front entrance, they're just to the right hand side, there was

41:30

loads of them there. They weren't manned, these weren't ones where

41:32

you had to go in and speak to someone, they were

41:34

the ones where you put, you put some money in, at

41:36

this point, it would have been a shilling, so you put

41:38

a shilling in, you turn it, you get the key, the

41:41

key, you put your thing in,

41:43

you turn the locker, and then you take the

41:45

key with you and it's valid as we saw

41:47

in this episode for 24 hours. So

41:49

that was, that

41:52

was the problem, is that I can't

41:54

relate the exact date of,

41:56

it would have been the second. So

41:58

he He put

42:00

the head in the locker on

42:03

the Thursday and they took it out on the Sunday And

42:06

that's the problem is it was 24-hour locker and they're

42:08

quite I don't know how they do it But they're quite

42:10

strict with it. They're able to see How

42:14

long it was being used for but um, he

42:17

wanted to get rid of her head This is one the statements

42:19

that I put in there. He wanted to get the head He

42:21

wanted to get rid of first because he

42:23

said he felt it was evil Someone's

42:26

banging outside Utter bastard at

42:28

least it at least is

42:30

not the parakeet utter bastard. Yeah, um, so

42:32

that was the thing he Because

42:36

she was lying on the floor and because her eyes were

42:38

still partly open so you can see in that the statement

42:40

later on That he closed her eyes her eyes are still

42:42

open. So When

42:45

he goes into the bedroom, she's there lying on

42:47

the floor dead, but her eyes are still open

42:49

So I still looking at him saying he kind

42:51

of terrified him So that was the thing that

42:53

you want to get rid of first was it

42:55

was a her head Therefore she's not

42:57

looking at him. You kind of see

42:59

that quite a few times with the various

43:01

murders that sometimes if they murder someone They

43:03

will cover over the head. So

43:06

the person is not not still looking at them He

43:13

I'll be part of his statement This

43:15

was Friday the 3rd. So This

43:18

is after he'd done the head and then he came back

43:20

He said I cut up the rest of the body. I

43:22

started with the legs for some reason. I wanted to

43:24

preserve the body I don't know why I went

43:27

to prefer and bought four sets

43:29

of plastic bags. It was actually

43:31

sheeting string as well I went

43:34

home after work and started with the legs. I

43:36

drank the remains of the vodka I cut up

43:39

the legs and wrapped them in plastic

43:41

I got some newspaper and used it to wrap them

43:43

up then I must have cut the arms off

43:46

I was surprised there was hardly any blood. I

43:49

put the legs and arms in the blue grip, but

43:51

the torso was too big. Oh Lovely.

43:54

What what? What

43:56

Delightful day you must have had So yeah,

43:58

of course, though. Be below blood

44:01

blood kisses oh it is thought to

44:03

decompose but see I everything bestow into

44:05

I'm. Kinda.

44:07

I see composer. she says she's

44:09

choosing already so that's up. With.

44:12

A cop on the floor. I'm. Even.

44:15

Though he'd he'd kill the in the the

44:17

limit says you him because he immediately kind

44:19

of moved into the bedroom ah on the

44:21

carpet in between the two beds and then

44:23

he moved to bed together so he didn't

44:25

have to go to see you anymore. Kazoo

44:27

a twin beds I'm see lay there for

44:29

a couple of days because minced in the

44:31

of such a he's he didn't touch him

44:34

for four days. exceeded know what to do

44:36

this kind of all over the shop. ah

44:38

he I'm. So therefore she's

44:40

choosing and kind of blood and fluids

44:42

a kind of seeping into the carpet.

44:44

Thus oversee didn't see been to any

44:46

were below because below that is. The.

44:49

Seller the this he only partially

44:51

had access to ah I'm and

44:53

therefore when he started to get

44:55

rid of the body that also

44:57

be fluids get on the carpet

44:59

then but it also seat ten

45:01

so that's why initially he cut

45:03

out that piece a carpet ah

45:05

and ah i see a one

45:07

point they they said he used

45:09

part the coffee flips over and

45:11

used it the kitchen but then

45:13

he decided to get rid of

45:15

it into a kind of us

45:17

a passing resigned not recycling. Truck by

45:20

a kind of a refuse trucking through in

45:22

there and then he convinced his landlady was

45:24

a new land his landlady by that point

45:26

Mrs took the streets he is tracey had

45:28

moved on and he was a new landlady

45:30

so because I'm to the it been at

45:32

a at the carpet was a little bit

45:34

worn a little bit old and he took

45:36

he turned round to any to said. Look

45:39

with i this carpet long time is

45:41

candidate one else am. I. A. He'd

45:44

given a deposit and it was as he

45:47

said fifteen twenty said his anyway ah I

45:49

can use a deposit, give you some money

45:51

towards a you put up as well as

45:53

is your house and we get new carpet

45:55

use that yes not permitted to she didn't

45:57

find it. Unusual. The So.

46:00

Ah so therefore the topic go entirely disposed of

46:02

our and cause it to the had been three

46:04

years and he spent. A. Lotta these

46:07

meticulous person. He spent a lot. I'm cleaning

46:09

up and kiss the. The.

46:11

Area was concentrate from where he'd killed and

46:13

where he to develop of see. By the

46:15

time the forensic team was not the Winkle

46:18

Forensics and they would the scientific department. By

46:20

the time they came in there was nothing.

46:22

There was no blood the the confines. not

46:24

even a drop. Eat it really gone over.

46:27

It's overly. Over seats today. They

46:29

probably could have gone in and used

46:31

all the fancy stuff. Unsigned traces to.

46:33

there's always traces, but. Not.

46:36

In ninety seemed to. At

46:39

the Blue Quip hold all the police

46:41

managed to track them down. It was

46:43

made by Er most weekly of L.

46:46

Lovins lived limited in Kettering. We don't

46:48

quite know how ah Alec managed to

46:50

get access to that bag. maybe of

46:52

says one he found in stereo Summer

46:55

that but that was one of the

46:57

Blue Grip bikes he found that was

46:59

something else is slightly larger one the

47:01

had to put put ah nor into

47:04

the torso was too big. Sap.

47:07

Some inches fell ah I'm as said in

47:09

I'm In in the episode he said I

47:11

managed to carry up to seek high road

47:14

which is the arms and legs as same

47:16

to the tool So. He

47:19

had to put it down three or four

47:21

times does. it was a real struggle to

47:23

carry of the street hence he decide to

47:25

get taxi. In

47:28

order to do this episode I've

47:30

worked out her a height, no

47:32

wait another individually had to go

47:34

to work out how much each body

47:36

part was because it wasn't in the

47:39

episode him because he's because a

47:41

big. Piece. Of this was about him.

47:44

Carrying the body parts and really struggling with the

47:46

have a really want to work out how heavy

47:48

they were and how much they would be and

47:50

and and then put them in reference in order

47:52

to to the. I

47:55

think one of them was the equivalent

47:57

of a bag of potatoes and and

47:59

another woman half half a bike a

48:01

cement So that kind of puts in

48:04

context even if you don't know, Kilos

48:06

and and Pounds is to further ah

48:08

or as mentioned as the reason why

48:10

he'd eat shows lead had golf course

48:13

was entirely arbitrary. he said. He

48:17

was literally looking for the biggest suspense

48:19

of an open area on the London

48:21

Transport map of initially he looked for

48:24

a local one which is why he

48:26

went can assess the war but quite

48:28

close and then ah he he he

48:30

saw kind of Epsom Forests are Ashdown

48:33

woods and because he used to live

48:35

in the team team is not too

48:37

far away. says kind of an area

48:40

that he wasn't super familiar with be

48:42

kind of knew that it was quite

48:44

an expense. Ah,

48:47

carrying the whole doses A oversee this

48:49

hold on to. Weird. I didn't put

48:51

this in the episode, but I'm. Pnc.

48:54

Had to repeat use the hold. Also

48:57

the hotel that used for the torso

48:59

see delivered the torso first and then

49:01

he put it in a has he

49:03

insects the has in sackey trend in

49:05

the woods. Random. that's why the police

49:07

so always this to the throes of

49:10

know he just literally he needed that

49:12

the larger. The carrier bag because

49:14

it was kind of better for kind of carrying

49:16

heavy goods and so he removed the toll so

49:18

he put in a has seen back that pack

49:20

a day would come to disguise it and then

49:22

hid it in some bushes and then that's when

49:25

he went to collect the arms and legs and

49:27

he could put the in the larger hold all

49:29

as well which was amps. They. Weren't

49:31

buried in that police actually managed to

49:33

workouts later on. He said he taken

49:35

it to a second hand dealer in

49:37

the spring of Ninety Sixty Nine just

49:39

have prayed street at. They managed to

49:41

track it down the didn't find the

49:43

bag but there are many stressed and

49:45

to shop called Knickknack on Movie Air

49:47

Road in Paddington and although they had

49:49

no record of it ah they said

49:52

it's most light. Is this the kind

49:54

of thing that we would have the

49:56

yep they were kind of happy with

49:58

that. that that's way to lose. the

50:00

preserved and said didn't exist anymore

50:02

stuff gets was three years have

50:04

passed but in a you can

50:06

do so much I'm. The.

50:08

Head missing in the locker that was

50:10

her up. A bit of bit of

50:13

a shock of the him ah he

50:15

said and then I decided side a

50:17

sec the locker was still there and

50:19

it wasn't so for a moment I

50:21

didn't know what to do. I decided

50:23

after all this I would get through

50:25

this I went to lost property I

50:27

asked him about it they they explain

50:29

the rules as he the rule thirty

50:31

two different you put shooting you need

50:33

to differ Oh if anything move to

50:35

the world we'd go will do do

50:37

do Do Do this I'm. Jobs with

50:39

so are yeah who has a

50:42

but they they oversee they didn't

50:44

check the counter it is with

50:46

is a thing is if. If

50:49

your job is looking after the lockers and

50:51

things you don't kind of April may be

50:53

back in. Also not you know your property

50:56

so they have to weigh a period of

50:58

time until it becomes a class by the

51:00

most profitable by that point. it's just of

51:03

this someone's property that they just haven't Quite

51:05

talented. Yes, which I'm sure a train stations

51:07

happens all the time. They. Poly. guess if

51:09

you have one hundred lockers or bet this

51:12

forty five or six a day that's their

51:14

like ah another another asshole he can't read

51:16

the signs. ah but yeah so did so

51:18

he ebony could he got caught out then

51:21

but he didn't I guess if he would

51:23

a combustible a days later. And.

51:25

It would smelt more they probably would.

51:28

He got started investigating it by they

51:30

were just happy to get rid of

51:32

the box in the box. Turn out

51:34

to be the head. Lovely lovely Lovely.

51:37

Ah what else Who The Roses? A

51:39

Police are able to track down. That

51:43

there. Was evidence of roses there but they

51:45

work together the that. In. the grave

51:47

was a policy and flower rapper marked

51:49

with haughty co ltd which which they

51:52

find a grave to which i believe

51:54

was the torso and this came from

51:56

a company called j any page limited

51:58

of com garden The problem

52:01

was they confirmed that this

52:04

kind of wrapping was used right across the country,

52:06

so it wasn't specific to one thing. They

52:08

did say that it is, they

52:11

do service Victoria Station, so he

52:13

would have got the flowers from there. And Alec

52:15

did confirm this later on. The

52:20

buffs, I've forgotten all what the quiz questions

52:22

are now, so if I balls

52:25

them up, don't worry about it. Don't

52:27

forget that during that day, this

52:30

is why we mention all about the weather in the

52:32

first episode, because it's kind of key. The

52:35

fact that it had been a

52:37

really hard frost, and that's how they were able to work

52:39

out where

52:42

the burial had happened, because it was

52:44

at the start of the non-growing period,

52:46

which is when a frost really kicks

52:48

in, plants do not grow anymore, they

52:50

just kind of go into their own

52:52

hibernation. So that the forestry

52:58

pathologist was able to pin it down to kind

53:00

of end of December

53:03

of 1968, and when

53:05

they kind of looked at the weather, it

53:07

was kind of a hard frosted kick to know that

53:09

point. And then for the first time in ages, and

53:11

people who live in Britain know that we haven't had

53:13

a white Christmas in a long

53:15

time, and we probably never will. So

53:19

therefore, that Christmas was, the

53:22

ground was hard, but it was also snow covered as well.

53:25

By the time he started to bury the bodies,

53:28

the ground was incredibly hard. It

53:31

started to rain a little bit, so the snow

53:33

was going, but it was still hard underneath, which

53:35

is why it was a Royal Wheel nightmare

53:38

to dig down. But

53:41

yeah, it's funny

53:43

that he moved all of

53:45

the parts of the body to Victoria Station. I

53:47

think he just wanted to get the body out of

53:50

his house so he wouldn't get caught. But

53:52

it does kind of expose him quite a lot,

53:54

carrying it across town, and being seen to go

53:56

into a station and carrying big parcels, but weirdly,

53:58

no. No one

54:00

batted an eyelids at all. I think I

54:02

think just because he's kind of

54:05

an innocent looking guy. He's quite sweet He's

54:07

got a little suit on he looks like a bookworm

54:10

Therefore no one really no one

54:13

really went. Oh look. There's a man carrying part of a

54:15

dead body you know I guess if he would have been

54:17

shifty looking and lots of tattoos and

54:20

Just scar across his face and a and

54:22

a t-shirt saying oh look I'm a serial

54:24

killer then someone would have gone who call

54:27

the police You know he just

54:29

looked like a guy who was going on holiday, so

54:31

no one really paid much attention What

54:36

else we got so I Yes,

54:39

he moved all of the stuff to the train station,

54:41

but then with a little bit of research. He was

54:43

like hang on If

54:45

he would have got the train from Victoria

54:50

Apparently the trainer he could have got the train

54:52

to Leatherhead station because Leatherhead station was open but

54:55

the problem is it's like a two-mile walk after

54:57

that or he can get a taxi, but He

55:01

doesn't really say this But I think in his mind he

55:03

what he didn't want to do was get a taxi because

55:05

then someone will be like oh You

55:07

were a random guy And you wanted you've got

55:09

a big bag and you want to go to

55:11

a really really random place in the middle of

55:13

nowhere And you just want me to drop you

55:15

off really it just doesn't make any sense So

55:17

he kind of looked at them happen is that

55:19

there's a there's a direct bus from Hyde Park

55:21

corner down to Ash

55:24

did Ashton Woods Right

55:27

next to the golf course so you know that makes

55:29

more sense it really does I Said

55:31

he said he said I got

55:33

off the bus I waited for it to go

55:35

and I dragged the heavy hold all along a

55:37

kind of a path Didn't put

55:39

this in the episode. It was near to an old battered

55:42

car so by the side of the road There was an

55:44

old battered car, and he knew at that

55:46

point you go there, and then you take you

55:48

take a Left into the

55:50

woods, and then he would find where he'd

55:53

stashed everything else because don't forget

55:55

This is a really dense forest full of bushes. It's

55:57

when you look at the pictures. It's it's

55:59

hard to walk through. It's like this

56:01

is why it took them

56:03

a couple of days to find the shallow graves

56:05

which were only a couple of yards apart. It's

56:08

because it's so dense. It really is impossibly dense

56:10

and he picked a good place to kind of

56:12

bury the bodges but he really should

56:14

have gone in deeper, deeper, deeper and

56:18

if he could have done physically he could have buried

56:20

them deeper but I guess that was part of the

56:22

problem wasn't it? What

56:25

else we got? What we

56:30

got? Second trip we've

56:33

got that. Quiz questions, I don't want to

56:35

give those away. As

56:39

mentioned, yeah, he got

56:43

the spade from Cutler's which was

56:45

a hardware

56:47

store on Brewer

56:50

Street in Soho so

56:53

it's not too far away from where his office is because

56:55

his office is on Poland

56:57

Street which doesn't quite but almost

56:59

intersects with Brewer Street, give or

57:01

take, like one street. So yeah,

57:03

he kind of

57:06

knew this place and of course, he's

57:08

not a suspicious man, he just walked

57:10

in and said, ah, can I buy a spade

57:12

please? Don't forget it's winter. Yeah,

57:15

it's winter time so people would have thought, people

57:17

wouldn't have thought, oh it's weird, there's a man

57:19

buying a spade and it's winter, what gardening is

57:21

he doing? They're probably thinking he's clearing the drive,

57:24

something like that, something simple or digging the car

57:26

out in kind of winter so they

57:30

didn't have the spade, they couldn't find it, even

57:32

though he threw it into the woods and they

57:34

were never able to find it but because he

57:37

told them what hardware store

57:39

he went to, they were able to

57:41

go there and get examples of it and then

57:43

they took them, when he was finally arrested and

57:45

confessed, they took versions

57:47

of a spade back to him and he was able

57:49

to say it was that one, it was that type

57:51

of spade but they never found their spade. So

57:55

he did a lot of that when he

57:57

finally confessed, he sat down with them and went through

57:59

everything. he could point stuff out and said,

58:01

yeah, that was the clothes she was wearing, that's

58:04

the jewelry. You know, he was, once

58:06

he decided that he wanted to be 100% honest

58:08

about it, that

58:10

kind of did him in good

58:13

stead. And I guess it did him in good

58:15

stead in full as well,

58:17

because you, even

58:19

though the police didn't have enough evidence, there is enough

58:22

cases out there of police

58:25

being able to convict someone, even though

58:27

a body hasn't been found. So

58:30

this could have got to, this could, I

58:32

mean, maybe

58:34

unlikely, he could have got to the point, but do you know,

58:37

if it would have gone to court and he would have still

58:39

been there going, no, I'm entirely innocent, I had nothing to do

58:41

with it, and then they'd pull out some evidence, proving

58:43

that he did do it, do you know,

58:45

maybe there was someone who did see them,

58:49

but never came forward, or just never put

58:51

the pieces together, do you know,

58:53

maybe that could have

58:55

been detrimental to him in his court case, but

58:57

because he was there in court, he

59:00

was like, yeah, I killed it, and this is why

59:02

I cut the body, this is why I buried the

59:05

body, this is why. Yeah,

59:08

it's, I think, I

59:11

think because he's quite a sympathetic character as well, they could

59:13

see that he was quite henpecked and put upon, and really

59:16

beaten down by her, and physically beaten, and

59:18

don't forget, they were able to go to

59:22

the various hospitals as well,

59:24

who treated him for wounds committed

59:28

by Nora on him, and also

59:30

his work

59:32

colleagues as well, and people who knew him, kind

59:34

of, you know, her

59:37

sitting in his office glaring at him,

59:39

and being nasty to kind

59:42

of any woman who comes near him, which is

59:44

quite a possessive woman, so yeah, I

59:48

think there was a lot of evidence against her, even

59:50

though she couldn't, Nora couldn't kind

59:52

of stand her ground in court, because she

59:54

was dead, I think there was a lot

59:56

of evidence against her, even though she was murdered,

59:58

so I think that that was no causing deal, she is the victim

1:00:00

in this case, although technically he is a victim

1:00:03

as well. Which is

1:00:05

why I found this case really

1:00:07

fascinating. It

1:00:10

starts with the, that's

1:00:12

what I wanted to do with it, with the police

1:00:14

saying it's a monster, I wanted to give you all

1:00:16

the evidence, so you kind of go, oh well it

1:00:18

must be a serial killer, it must be someone who

1:00:20

knows what they're doing, they must be violent, they must

1:00:22

be skilled as a butcher, or

1:00:24

you know, kind of all these theories that people

1:00:26

come up with, because they wanted

1:00:29

to, always wanted to be more exciting than it

1:00:31

normally is, but when you start getting into the

1:00:33

story and you start realising that

1:00:35

kind of she's quite nasty and really violent,

1:00:38

and even though she's running from a violent

1:00:40

past as well, she's violent to

1:00:42

him, so it's kind of perpetuating, and

1:00:45

he's you know, maybe

1:00:48

at one point he may have, I

1:00:51

don't think he would have ever killed her, I don't

1:00:53

think, I think he just snapped, I think it was

1:00:55

just too much, even with some

1:00:57

of his statements he even says that because

1:01:01

he wanted this to end amicably, he, because

1:01:06

she had already at this point started saying that

1:01:08

she was going to leave him, so

1:01:10

he wasn't really pushing it at that point, because

1:01:12

he was like, well, if she

1:01:14

leaves then therefore I don't have to break up with

1:01:17

her, therefore that makes it easier for me, but as

1:01:20

we read in one of the earlier statements he just

1:01:22

wanted it to be amicable, if

1:01:24

they could end his friends that's good, he

1:01:26

didn't want all this upset, therefore he

1:01:29

actually helped her move into Latvia

1:01:31

our house, so that's why they kind

1:01:33

of knew him there, because he'd actually

1:01:35

been to a party there before with

1:01:38

her, so he knew Latvia house,

1:01:40

they knew him, don't forget he speaks Latvian as

1:01:42

well, because he is Latvian, therefore,

1:01:46

and people kind of liked him as well, so

1:01:48

given the fact that the relationship was coming to

1:01:50

an end, kind of he kind of wants that

1:01:52

to happen, he's being amicable, because he doesn't want

1:01:54

her to stay in kind of a, like

1:01:57

a hostel over Christmas, he's just being nice. and

1:02:00

saying look it's your birthday Christmas Eve come on

1:02:02

round to mine stay for a couple

1:02:04

of days over Christmas he's gonna be by himself

1:02:06

anyway and he's kind of hoping it will be

1:02:08

amicable and nice but she's

1:02:11

just she's still nasty she's still being a bit

1:02:13

of a nasty bitch about this and really treating

1:02:15

him badly and being violent towards him and I

1:02:18

think it was just after 12-13 years you can only take

1:02:21

so much and he just snapped and

1:02:23

he just just like that so

1:02:27

yeah what

1:02:30

else we got what else we got so

1:02:32

yeah the the him carving the end into a

1:02:34

tree so of course that wasn't to deflect the

1:02:37

police and make them go oh is it a

1:02:39

clue no it's just he wasn't

1:02:41

really thinking about it he was upset

1:02:43

he was emotional he'd killed the woman

1:02:45

he loved he buried her body he

1:02:48

knew it was the wrong thing to do he

1:02:50

wasn't given her a proper grave therefore he bought

1:02:52

the flowers therefore he carved a kind

1:02:54

of a little initial as kind of a reminder to

1:02:56

him and kind of a memorial to her as you

1:02:58

were doing a grave but that

1:03:00

was it it wasn't one as wasn't anything clever

1:03:02

and than that and even even the way he

1:03:04

kind of did all this we

1:03:07

kind of set up at the start that it's kind

1:03:09

of oh look at look how clever it is and

1:03:11

oh and he was only caught because Foxes got hungry

1:03:14

you know as you've seen with his story a lot

1:03:17

of mistakes but a lot of mistakes because he's not

1:03:19

experienced in this he's not he didn't

1:03:22

spend all of his time going oh dead bodies

1:03:24

or how would you cut them up you know

1:03:26

he's obsessed with if

1:03:28

this was an air

1:03:31

crash or something like that he

1:03:33

would be the most useful person in that

1:03:35

whole plane of all those people because of

1:03:37

his knowledge but anything else in the world

1:03:40

just not of any use at all really

1:03:43

um getting rid of some

1:03:45

of the stuff so the the

1:03:47

amber necklace that had been as

1:03:49

far as I can see oh

1:03:52

no there's a couple of necklaces so one necklace was

1:03:54

given to his daughter the

1:03:56

watch he tried to part exchange it

1:03:58

a duel as in 18

1:04:00

Newport Court. So it's just after he was reading the

1:04:02

newspaper and he was seen by the detective

1:04:07

who was keeping the surveillance

1:04:09

on him, was seeing him going into this

1:04:11

secondhand place. He knew the

1:04:14

guy who ran it, a guy called Ghulabhan

1:04:16

Shah, who knew Alex. I wanted to

1:04:19

exchange it. He wanted to

1:04:21

exchange the watch so

1:04:23

he could buy something

1:04:26

nice for his new

1:04:29

girlfriend who was Denise

1:04:31

Abbott. He kind of

1:04:33

knew Alex because Alex would

1:04:35

often call into his shop to buy kind

1:04:38

of special stamps and things like that because

1:04:40

he's a stamp collector as well. Obviously he's

1:04:43

obsessed with aircraft, he likes stamps as well.

1:04:47

So Denise got one of Nora's rings. Oh,

1:04:53

his daughter got quite a few of

1:04:55

her possessions. His daughter was like an

1:05:00

18-19 year old student by that point. Obviously

1:05:02

she hasn't got nice clothes, she hasn't got

1:05:06

things that she really wants and because Nora

1:05:09

had nice expensive clothes she was more

1:05:11

than happy to accept them. Secondhand clothes

1:05:13

from a woman who's not

1:05:16

dead, you don't think of her as dead, but like as

1:05:19

Alec had said, these

1:05:21

were presents that I gave her. She didn't

1:05:23

want me anymore, she didn't want the presents,

1:05:26

she left them here, I don't want them,

1:05:28

you can have them. So he repeated the

1:05:30

story that she's gone off with a rich

1:05:32

Greek boyfriend. So because she'd done that so

1:05:34

many times before and gone missing all the

1:05:36

time, everyone just kind of accepted

1:05:39

that. Didn't

1:05:43

put this in the story, it was something I was going to put

1:05:45

in there, but one

1:05:48

of the witnesses in the court case was

1:05:50

going to be Denise Abbott, so his girlfriend,

1:05:52

and she was called into court as a

1:05:54

witness. But the problem is it had become

1:05:57

so traumatic for her, even though she really

1:05:59

loved Alec. and they really got on really

1:06:01

well. With

1:06:03

the evidence coming forward of the fact that he'd

1:06:08

already admitted in court that he'd killed her and he'd cut up

1:06:10

her body and he'd buried her, when

1:06:12

she went to give evidence she

1:06:15

screamed and ran out of the court and

1:06:18

they couldn't get her back because she was

1:06:20

absolutely frantic. So in

1:06:22

a lot of the news reports that's what

1:06:24

they focus on is woman screams

1:06:26

from court. That's the kind of big thing that

1:06:28

he'd pick up on. But

1:06:30

yeah, so in the end she didn't have to

1:06:32

give evidence but she'd already given a witness statement

1:06:34

which we partially read in the episode so that

1:06:38

was used in evidence. As

1:06:41

was the diary, he had two diaries, one

1:06:43

in Latvian, one in English. The

1:06:45

Transfect, the Latvian one and they saw

1:06:47

in there where it said, anniversary, think

1:06:50

very much about, I think very much

1:06:52

about N, about how it all happened,

1:06:54

nightmares. So he's still suffering with anguish

1:06:56

here. One of the pieces I didn't

1:06:58

put in the episode, only

1:07:01

because it makes it sound sinister but when

1:07:03

you look into it it's not that sinister.

1:07:05

So he kept

1:07:07

a chart of all his ex-girlfriends

1:07:10

and his current girlfriends like Denise

1:07:13

and Nora and the police found this

1:07:15

and he'd marked the qualities of his

1:07:17

girlfriends one out of one to ten.

1:07:19

And Elinora, so Nora

1:07:21

was ten for almost all

1:07:23

of them like love life

1:07:25

and physical qualities but

1:07:28

then he drew up a list of

1:07:31

all of the negative things about there and a lot

1:07:33

of it was kind of the lies and the nagging.

1:07:35

So that was on there as well. But also he

1:07:38

kept up pubic hairs. Now

1:07:40

that may seem really, oh fuck he kept

1:07:42

up pubic hairs, he must be a serial killer.

1:07:44

But it's not. When I was kind of reading

1:07:46

into this, this is kind of an old

1:07:50

Latvian custom. So if you get into a

1:07:52

relationship with someone and you kind of love

1:07:54

them then you you

1:07:56

get like a tuft of that

1:07:58

pubic hairs and you keep it and that. that's kind of your

1:08:01

thing. There was also references

1:08:03

to that, I didn't put this in the episode

1:08:06

either, references to him having a homosexual

1:08:08

relationship with a civil servant from

1:08:11

the Ministry of Environment. That's

1:08:13

in the police files as well, without

1:08:16

suggesting he may have had homosexual longings

1:08:18

but it just didn't seem to make

1:08:21

sense in the story so I

1:08:24

didn't put it in. So sometimes

1:08:26

things aren't necessary. I think I've overran on an

1:08:28

extra mile, I think I've waffled on a lot

1:08:31

so I'm going to do the quiz questions. Sorry

1:08:33

if this was a long one, let's do

1:08:35

the quiz questions and then I can FRO

1:08:37

to the coffee shop. Right, question

1:08:41

number one, where was Alec coming from

1:08:43

when he left the train at Victoria

1:08:45

Station? It

1:08:47

was Mitcham. Question number two,

1:08:49

what was the locker number that the

1:08:51

head was stored in? It

1:08:54

was 424. Question

1:08:57

number three, what was the name of the

1:08:59

company he worked for? McDonald

1:09:02

Publishing. Question

1:09:04

number four, why couldn't he dig a

1:09:06

hole first? The

1:09:09

ground was too hard and he didn't have a spade. Question

1:09:12

number five, where did he buy the plastic

1:09:14

sheeting from? It was

1:09:16

Woolworth's. Question number

1:09:18

six, how heavy were Nora's legs? They

1:09:22

were 18 kilos. Question

1:09:25

number seven, what type of bus, are you the

1:09:27

brand of bus, took him to Ashford Woods? It

1:09:31

was the Green Line. Question

1:09:34

number eight, what bus stop did he

1:09:36

get off at to bury the body?

1:09:38

That's Packisham Park. Question

1:09:41

number nine, how long was the TV show

1:09:43

Police Five? Well

1:09:45

the clue's in the title, five minutes. And

1:09:49

question number ten, who hosted Police Five?

1:09:52

It was Shaw Taylor. There

1:09:54

you go, keep them peeled. So that's

1:09:56

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1:09:58

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1:10:00

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1:10:04

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