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Hey,

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everybody. Welcome back to our podcast. This is

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murder with my husband. I'm Payton Moreland.

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And he's the husband? No. My husband. Okay.

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Before we get into Garrett's ten seconds, we actually

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have some pretty exciting news.

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We don't really know what it's gonna look like yet, but

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to start doing listener

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tells or were you guys

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right in and tell us about true crime,

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hometown murders, or things that happened

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to you, or Candra of the

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subject will probably change as we

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go, but basically listener tell

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episodes. Right now, the plan

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is to do it. Maybe just once a month

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on murder with my husband. We're

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gonna figure it out. We're gonna look at

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some submissions and see what it looks like take

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it from there. So if you are interested,

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you can submit that to listeners at

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And we're gonna have links kind of all over the

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place. These will be stories

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like if your grandma went on a

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date with Ted Bundy or you have

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a personal connection to something that

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has to do with true crime or you

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discovered a body

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or honestly just anything

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even if there's a pretty crazy little

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connection you have that you would like us

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to

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read, you will write in your story, and then

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we will read it to share with

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everyone. It's not gonna replace any

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of what we're doing currently. Like I said,

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it's gonna be maybe an extra one we

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add a month just on top of everything

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just to change it

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up a little bit and to get some more content out

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there. So if you're interested, go ahead and submit

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that. And we're excited to see what we get.

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And just a reminder as well

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Apple subscriptions Candra There

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is bonus content, extra episodes,

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two extra episodes each month. And

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all the content is ad

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free. So if you're interested, go check those

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out. We have links everywhere as well.

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Okay. I think that puts us right over into

1:50

your ten seconds. I'm currently dressed

1:52

and ready to head to pick a ball after we

1:54

record. That's what I'm going to be doing

1:56

tonight. Candra Daisy

1:59

Daisy Daisy. That little puppy.

2:01

For a puppy, she's pretty well trained,

2:04

I feel like.

2:05

She is doing a really good job. Completely potty

2:07

trained she --

2:08

Great trained. -- great trained. She's

2:10

been doing a really good job. But

2:13

we have been training her to get

2:15

used to the bag that you

2:17

travel with them in at the airport,

2:20

on the airplane underneath the seats. We've

2:22

been taking her to the car, putting her in

2:24

it, training her at home. Just everywhere.

2:27

Right? And she's been loving it, doing a good job,

2:29

sleeping in it, knowing what to do

2:31

in it. And we thought, alright,

2:33

let's do it. We had a club planned.

2:36

With Kendall and Josh for a mile higher,

2:38

but that didn't work out. The second time

2:40

we had it planned, the third time is the

2:42

charm and we will get it down. So

2:45

we had to cancel it because we were we went

2:47

through security, we went through everything, and

2:49

that in itself was, I don't know,

2:52

she just

2:53

She was doing so good and then something happened.

2:55

She

2:55

just got She got spooked. Yeah. She

2:57

started freaking out I felt so

3:00

bad Candra they just weren't gonna let

3:02

us in the plane.

3:03

Yeah. She just started. It wasn't even

3:05

crying. It was like she was

3:07

so agitated. Yeah. And she

3:09

was fine in the carrier before we got in. I don't

3:11

know if she got or stimulated, but we've

3:14

taken her to the mall and the

3:15

carrier. So because we wanted her to be

3:17

around loud noises. I don't know.

3:19

I don't know if it was curity or

3:22

Honestly, we've heard from multiple people

3:24

that it's a hit or miss with puppies. I

3:26

mean, she's still a

3:26

puppy. Right. Three and

3:28

a half months. Four months old.

3:30

Yeah. So, I mean, she's still a puppy. It's

3:32

to be expected.

3:34

But that's what happened. We were in the

3:36

airport, long story short. I mean, we probably

3:39

we could have won. Maybe you could have just gone the

3:41

airplane Candra don't know. It was so hard. We

3:43

just it was super hard with her and it just

3:45

made more sense to come back home

3:47

and make sure she was okay because she was freaking

3:49

out. So third time to charm,

3:51

we will get out --

3:52

Yeah. -- get that collab done. We will get that

3:54

collab done because really excited to do with them.

3:57

think it's something that you guys would all enjoy.

3:59

But Daisy

4:00

May, over here, did not like it.

4:03

She did not wanna go to the club, which

4:05

is so sad because they have cute dogs

4:07

and -- Yeah. -- pets and

4:08

bunnies. But we'll get her and everything

4:10

will be okay. And we know what?

4:12

We're just being good dog parents. And

4:15

on the good note for Daisy, we left her in

4:17

the crate last night we went to

4:19

a hockey game Candra she did amazing.

4:22

She slept.

4:23

She slept.

4:23

Played with her toys. When the toys came back,

4:26

it's like excited to see us. She

4:28

did a pretty good dog.

4:30

So if you're done hearing about dogs, then

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I will stop here let's hop into

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today's episode. Our episode

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sources are empty promises and other true

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cases forensic files, AETV

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dot com newspapers dot com. Okay.

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So for this story, we are

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going back to the nineteen seven

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these. This was a decade that was

4:49

just covered with

4:51

crime, if you know what I mean. Everything

4:54

seems like it was just so grungy, a

4:56

decade of Gary's and

4:58

Larry's and Tom's in windowless

5:01

vans, creepy cat collars,

5:03

grimy times. Gary's, Larry's,

5:06

And Tom's. Oh, my gosh. I

5:08

don't want to add more interruptions to

5:10

the

5:11

story, but you need to tell them what happened to you at CVS.

5:14

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. We'll do it quick.

5:16

Okay.

5:17

So Garrett and I were at CVS the

5:19

other day. And I had Daisy with

5:21

us She was just in my

5:22

arms. And most of

5:24

the time with Daisy, I just try to

5:26

keep her This

5:27

isn't about Daisy. No. It's not about Stay tuned.

5:30

I just tried to keep her entertained. So Garrett was

5:32

the one kind of grabbing the stuff we needed.

5:34

He went over to the checkout

5:36

by himself. I had Daisy

5:39

near him, but it didn't look like I was with

5:41

him, and this lady walked up to me. And

5:43

she looked me dead in my eyes and said

5:46

cute doc. And it caught me

5:48

off guard because normally when people say

5:50

that Daisy's cute, they're looking at Daisy.

5:52

But she was just like she got really

5:54

close to me and said it right to my face.

5:57

So I was like, oh, yeah, thank

5:59

you, and I walked away. Well, then

6:01

I was gonna go outside with Daisy to get

6:03

some fresh air while Garrett was finishing up, checking

6:06

out. And so I turn around and

6:08

walk out the doors, but I'm not gonna go to the car.

6:10

I'm just gonna stand right outside. And

6:12

that same lady comes barreling

6:14

out after me. But

6:16

then when I stop because I wasn't walking

6:18

to the

6:19

car, she abruptly stops now

6:21

it's just like awkwardly standing next

6:23

to me.

6:24

Mhmm. And I turn over and look at her,

6:26

and I'm sure my face was like, okay,

6:28

this is weird. And then I recognized that she was

6:30

the same lady who had said cute dog.

6:32

And she flips her head out

6:35

to someone in the parking lot and does like

6:37

one short nod at

6:39

someone Candra then just

6:41

like looks down. And so I turned out to the

6:43

parking lot. I don't see who she's nodding

6:45

to. And I think, okay. Maybe someone's just

6:47

coming to pick her up. So she was saying, like, yeah. I'm done.

6:50

Come get me. But then all of the sudden,

6:52

as Garrett walks out of the store

6:54

and looks at me and says are you ready to go,

6:56

she turns around and walks back into

6:58

the store. Is weird. And I was like, what

7:00

the heck? And then as we're walking

7:02

out, this white windowless van

7:05

just comes driving down the the

7:09

the row that we parked in and

7:11

just drives right past us. And I could

7:13

be making this up like it could have been

7:15

nothing. It

7:16

was weird. But it was also one of those things where,

7:18

like, my hair started

7:20

to stand up. I got

7:21

goosebumps. Like, it was just weird. And

7:23

she was acting weird when she first

7:25

came in. Like, the whole thing was

7:28

I don't know. The whole thing was freaky.

7:30

Yeah.

7:31

Garrett did go back in though just to make

7:34

sure. You bet I would have followed that van

7:36

anywhere. I couldn't find the van. I couldn't

7:38

find Well, she was just shocked.

7:40

I went back in she was just standing there.

7:43

Just staring at, I don't know, some

7:45

of the

7:45

items. Like, we drove around a little bit

7:47

and I was like, I'm going back in the store. Like

7:48

-- Yeah. -- I'm not okay with this. I went back in

7:51

she was just standing there, just

7:53

looking at some items, so I just I wasn't gonna

7:55

confront her. Right? Because

7:57

I mean, I don't

7:58

know. So we just walked I just walked

8:00

back out and got back in the car and we left. But,

8:02

yeah, it was weird. I mean, as she

8:04

walked out like, looked at Payton,

8:06

looked at the parking lot, and then walked

8:09

not, and then walked back inside as soon as I

8:11

came

8:12

out, and she made eye contact with me. She went right

8:14

back forth. It's almost like because I

8:16

was standing away from Garrett with

8:18

Daisy just kinda doing my own

8:20

things. She didn't know we were together. It

8:22

was weird. And then when I walked outside, it

8:24

still didn't look like we were together because I walked

8:26

out by myself, but then I sat and waited for

8:28

you. And the second, she realized we

8:30

were together, she,

8:32

like, just bolted back

8:33

inside. Yeah.

8:34

The whole thing was weird. So we had

8:36

to tell that because we were just talking about creepy

8:38

ants.

8:39

Window less fans from Gary's and Larry's and

8:41

Tom's.

8:41

Yep. So again, the seventies.

8:45

This is a grimy time. But for

8:47

Kendra and Julio Torres, all

8:49

this stuff was kind of outside

8:52

of their field division. They were innocent

8:54

and young and in love in the seventies.

8:57

they had been married for only a year.

9:00

Candra was sixteen Candra was

9:02

twenty one. And yes, I know.

9:05

Candra was still a minor Julio was

9:07

an adult, but it was not a

9:09

vast age difference especially during

9:12

these times. They'd been dating for a

9:14

while they were so in love that Kendra's family

9:16

supported the relationship. Only

9:18

her father wanted it to be propped because

9:21

he was a religious man. And so he encouraged them

9:23

to get married even though she was only sixteen,

9:25

which they did. And

9:27

they remained a really happy and

9:29

close couple all the way a

9:32

year into their marriage. Just still

9:34

kind of in that honeymoon state, blissful

9:36

state really into each other. So

9:38

now at this point, it's July nineteen

9:40

seventy six. Kendra and Julio

9:43

were approaching their one year wedding

9:45

out of Candra celebrate it, they

9:47

planned a weekend camping trip into

9:49

the rustic wilderness of Oregon,

9:52

which is where they lived. Now

9:54

originally, they were going to travel to the

9:56

Oregon coast, but Julio decided

9:58

instead to take them to the

10:00

Austin hot springs, which was up

10:03

in the mountains along the Klakamis River.

10:06

Now Julio love fishing he wanted

10:08

to teach his new wife Candra how

10:10

to fish. But also, money

10:12

was really tight for this young couple

10:15

as you would imagine. Neither of them

10:17

were from a wealthy family they were both

10:19

just making ends meet. They

10:21

had a combined total of sixty

10:23

dollars to spend for this anniversary

10:26

trip. Sounds like you when we got married.

10:29

Shot's taken. Should not say that.

10:32

I'm just saying.

10:35

Okay. Yeah. Okay. I was little bit

10:37

broke. So camping

10:39

out and sleeping under the stars and

10:42

cooking food over an open fire.

10:44

Not only would this save that money, but

10:46

it actually seemed like a pretty romantic and

10:48

adventurous alternative to a

10:50

motel room. The night before

10:52

the trip They did most of their packing and called

10:54

a few of their friends to see if they could find

10:56

someone to watch Rusty. This is

10:58

their pet dog. But it was

11:00

looking like they might just have to take

11:03

rusty along with them. That night,

11:05

they went to bed then all

11:07

night long, Kendra had nightmares,

11:10

dreadful dreams of something

11:12

going deeply horrifiably wrong

11:16

in the mountains. In

11:18

the morning when she woke up, she was feeling

11:20

like her dreams may have been

11:22

a premonition. Candra is

11:24

like such a scary thing

11:27

especially after watching the final destination.

11:30

Because if you're getting on a plane

11:32

and you have a dream about a plane

11:33

crushing. Do you really

11:35

wanna go get on the plane? Mhmm.

11:37

Yeah. I mean, no, but I

11:39

understand what you're saying. So they brush this

11:41

off the date, by the way, was Thursday,

11:44

July twenty second nineteen

11:46

seventy six. And that was the day that they

11:48

planned to embark on their camping trip. They

11:51

were planning on getting back home on

11:53

Sunday. And while Julio

11:55

tied up loose ends and got the rest of the packing

11:57

done, Candra shared her fears with

11:59

a close friend of hers. And the friends

12:02

suggested that she take her bible along

12:04

with her just to maybe ward off

12:06

bad luck. The French assured her the Bible

12:09

would protect her from anything bad happening.

12:11

So Kendra slipped the Bible into her backpack

12:13

along with the rest of her essentials. Candra

12:16

it's worth noting that Julio also

12:18

had an ominous feeling about the trip.

12:20

He even went so far as to suggest

12:23

that Even though it's their anniversary

12:25

trip, maybe their friend Mike

12:27

should join them because safety

12:30

in numbers, it was maybe a solution

12:32

to their worries. But when they stopped

12:34

by Mike's house to see if he wanted to come,

12:37

there was no answer when they knocked on the door,

12:39

so they just left a note. And on it, they wrote,

12:41

sorry you missed the fun. Then Kendra and

12:43

Julio getting ready to take off also

12:45

couldn't find anyone to watch Rusty,

12:47

and they couldn't afford to board him at a kennel,

12:50

so they decided to just take him with. They

12:52

loaded up their cars, opt for gas and

12:54

canned food, bought fishing licenses,

12:56

and headed toward Mount Hood National

12:58

Forest. It was late afternoon

13:01

by this point, a beautiful day. But while

13:03

driving up the winding paths into the mountains,

13:06

they end up missing their turn.

13:08

This would be the turn into Austin

13:10

hot springs, which was where they were going.

13:13

So they ended up driving miles

13:15

in the wrong direction toward another

13:17

destination. Candra before

13:19

they realized their mistake, they found themselves

13:22

on the spookiest road that

13:24

they'd ever been on. Like something

13:26

really didn't feel right about this

13:28

seemingly endless stretch of eerie

13:31

old road. And that was when they

13:33

realized they had missed

13:35

their exit. So they finally

13:37

turned back around having lost

13:39

considerable fuel as well.

13:42

By the time they reach Austin hot springs, it

13:44

was getting dark the gates

13:46

were closing for the night. But a park ranger

13:48

allowed them to just park outside the

13:50

gate and then walk in. He said

13:52

they could cook dinner and do some twilight fishing

13:55

if they liked, but they couldn't camp inside

13:57

the park that night. They'd have to wait till

13:59

the gates open the next morning spots

14:02

became available. So they went

14:04

into the park after cooking their

14:06

dinner, they gravitated to some other

14:08

campers who were also parked near their

14:10

car and settled inside their car with

14:12

the doors locked for the night. Okay. But

14:14

then the dog was restless. For most

14:17

of the night. So they weren't

14:19

able to actually get in a really

14:21

good night sleep. In fact, in the middle

14:23

of the night, they had to dig out the flashlight

14:25

and take rusty down to the river

14:27

for a drink of water. After this,

14:30

the dog settled down they managed to

14:32

sleep through the few remaining hours

14:34

they had left. And when they woke up

14:36

early in the morning, the Rangers let them know

14:38

that there was now a spot available inside

14:41

the park. They were taken to the campsite

14:43

and their Candra cooked breakfast while Julio

14:45

fished. It wasn't great

14:48

fishing though. He didn't catch anything.

14:50

So he packed up the poles they moved

14:52

onto the hot springs, which were really

14:55

busy that day. There were plenty of

14:57

people around as they

14:58

swam, and some of them were people they

15:00

recognized from the car park the night

15:02

before. So they felt pretty

15:05

safe despite that uneasy

15:07

start to their trip.

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15:22

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husband. And

17:46

as they continued on with their day, Julio

17:48

tried multiple spots along the river

17:50

trying to catch some fish, but he just

17:52

wasn't having any luck. He hadn't caught a

17:54

single fish all day. Candra moved on

17:57

to cooking some food, and as the afternoon

17:59

began approaching evening, they drove farther

18:01

downstream until they passed fisherman.

18:04

They asked a fisherman if the fish were biting

18:06

he said he hadn't caught anything at all.

18:09

They drove further and saw another fisherman.

18:11

They asked him too if he'd had any luck

18:13

that day he said he'd caught three fish,

18:16

but none of them were keepers. It was

18:18

growing to be a bit frustrating by

18:20

this point and Candra asked Julio if maybe

18:22

they shouldn't just go home. The

18:24

fuel in the car was getting

18:26

really low. But Julio wanted to

18:28

try one more spot. I mean, he came

18:30

here to fish. So they drove

18:33

on deeper and deeper into

18:35

the woods. The sun at this point was setting.

18:37

The road was getting dimmer. And eventually,

18:39

they pulled over parked by a boat

18:42

launch near the North forked

18:44

dam. And as they were getting out of their

18:46

car, they noticed a red pickup

18:48

truck with Nebraska plates pulling

18:50

up and parking next to them. The

18:52

man inside who appeared to be in his

18:55

late twenties got out of his truck and

18:57

walked up to the water. Julio

18:59

then approached the man and hoping to get

19:01

some pointers began talking to him

19:03

like he had the other two fishermen telling

19:05

him about his rotten luck that there

19:07

had been zero fish all day. But the man

19:09

just sort of stared straight ahead without

19:12

making eye contact and delivered short

19:14

replies, almost like he didn't even

19:16

wanna give Julio the time of day. He

19:19

had seemed interested in anything that Julio

19:21

was saying, but that all changed

19:23

when the man turned around and

19:25

saw that Candra was with them.

19:28

Suddenly, he lit up. It was like

19:30

a switch had been flipped. He

19:32

told Julio that he knew a place where a

19:34

truckload of fish had just been dumped into

19:37

the river. He'd heard about it from some

19:39

other fishermen he said. And that was when

19:41

the now helpful stranger introduced

19:43

himself. I'm Tom. He said, I'm a

19:45

logger work in these woods. The

19:48

spot he had in mind was about eight miles up

19:50

the river deeper into the woods. Julio

19:53

didn't think that they'd have enough

19:55

gas in the car to make it there

19:57

and back, but Tom told him not

19:59

to worry. If their tank hits

20:01

empty, he could go to town in the morning

20:03

and bringing back some fuel for

20:05

them.

20:06

Man, that's like the it just

20:08

seems I mean, to know it's out of context.

20:10

Because it just seems like

20:11

the biggest red flag ever. Right.

20:14

If anyone ever told me that, I'd be

20:16

like, you're insane. Like,

20:19

I'm not gonna go I don't wanna run out of gas. I don't

20:21

wanna run out of gas. Like, are you crazy?

20:23

Also, Tom The Lager. Come

20:26

on. I mean, unless that's really his

20:28

name, but there's no way his name's really

20:30

Tom, the logger.

20:31

Well, it's not just you because something

20:34

about the stranger named Tom, made

20:36

Kendra feel uneasy. Okay.

20:39

And honestly, it is probably little

20:41

things about Tom that Kendra

20:43

noticed that her husband didn't, like,

20:45

she was noticing that his eyes Candra spent

20:48

a lot of time on her. She could fill

20:50

it, but also this wasn't

20:52

new for her. She was young and attractive and

20:55

often found herself on the receiving end

20:57

of unwanted attention from men. So

20:59

in that respect, Tom wasn't necessarily

21:01

unusual, but there was something else

21:03

about him. She just couldn't put her finger

21:06

on it. So she

21:08

ignored her intuition and got into

21:10

the car with Julio and began following

21:12

the man's truck as he led them to this

21:14

spot that he described. After

21:17

all, Kendra thought to herself she

21:19

had her husband and dog with her,

21:21

so she had two pretty loyal defenders to

21:23

back her up this things went wrong.

21:26

And Julio was not a puny guy.

21:28

He was six feet tall sturdy one hundred

21:30

and eighty five pound both bigger and

21:32

taller than the stranger, Tom The

21:34

Lager. So she felt comfortable enough.

21:37

And as they were following behind Tom,

21:40

the road was getting narrower and

21:42

seemingly farther from civilization.

21:46

The man stopped his truck finally and

21:48

pulled over. He walked up to

21:50

the couple and suggested that they ride with him

21:52

the rest of the way so they don't run out of

21:54

gas. Candra almost instinctively

21:57

rejected She didn't want to abandon their car

21:59

and be at the mercy of this unfamiliar person.

22:02

Julio asked, okay, where exactly

22:04

is this fishing spot. And he told him,

22:06

well, it's just beyond Bagby hot

22:09

springs Road. Now, this

22:11

is exactly where

22:13

Julio and Candra had inadvertently

22:16

been heading the previous day when they missed

22:18

their turn.

22:19

Interesting. Okay.

22:20

But remember, they went up that

22:22

super creepy road.

22:24

And so Yeah. This is like this

22:26

is the place where they were getting that creeped out

22:28

vibe the day before. Yeah. But

22:30

despite this, despite all that forevoting,

22:33

they decided to continue on, and

22:35

follow Tom to the fishing spot, up

22:37

an old dirt road that was completely canopied

22:39

by the woods. By the time they

22:41

parked, The sun had set it was too

22:43

dark to fish, so they pitched their tent,

22:46

set up camp, and started a campfire. Tom

22:49

went to his truck and came back with something

22:51

he wanted to show them. It was

22:53

a dead bird. So

22:55

they park, they put their tent

22:57

up, and then Lager Tom is like, hold on. I

22:59

gotta go get something out of my truck wanna show you,

23:02

and it's a dead

23:03

bird.

23:03

Oh my gosh. That's okay.

23:06

He said that he killed it on his

23:08

way to the forest, but Candra was

23:10

repulsed. She said, we don't believe

23:12

in killing things for sport. And Tom

23:14

said, I Didn't kill it for

23:16

sport though, I'm gonna eat it. And

23:18

honestly, let me just say at this point,

23:21

I would be looking for an opportunity to

23:23

fleet. Like, this is just not my vibe.

23:25

I mean, I don't know if it's the fact that he called a bird.

23:27

I think it's the way he presented

23:29

and did all of

23:29

it. Yeah.

23:30

Look, let me go get something. Yeah.

23:31

Let me go get something. Oh, look, this bird, I just killed.

23:33

That's weird. That's weird. But also, they're

23:36

already up here. So it's kind of like,

23:38

oh, are we overreacting? I

23:40

don't know. It's just too late. They were already

23:43

past the point of no return. They'd come this

23:45

far and they didn't know these

23:46

woods.

23:46

Yeah. After dinner, Tom went back to his

23:48

truck and returned with a rifle. Let's

23:51

go for a walk. He told the couple,

23:53

I know of a spot where we can hunt for

23:55

deer. Julio told him that

23:58

hunting deer out of season was illegal,

24:00

but Tom didn't seem to care he just laughed.

24:03

He says, quote, we could eat

24:05

only the hind quarters, we could be

24:07

wasteful masters. And

24:09

wasteful masters was a stilted

24:11

phrase. Candra wondered where it came

24:14

from. Like, that was just odd. And

24:16

Tom's manner overall was just odd.

24:18

And Kendra recognized and tried to ignore

24:21

the fact that they were now alone with this

24:23

man who was armed with a rifle in an

24:25

isolated part of the woods. They

24:27

were at this point completely at

24:29

his mercy. But she tried to talk herself

24:31

out of her feelings of dread. And meanwhile,

24:34

Julio followed Tom out into a

24:36

clearing and the man handed him his binoculars.

24:39

There were deer just a little ways up ahead.

24:41

Julio observed them through the binoculars,

24:44

and then Tom raised his rifle, cocked it,

24:46

and pointed it toward the deer, but he didn't

24:48

shoot. But just hearing the

24:50

sound of the rifle being cocked gave

24:53

Candra goosebumps. She wanted

24:55

to turn back. She wanted to go back to

24:57

camp, but they were essentially trapped now.

24:59

They said good night to the man and locked themselves

25:02

in their car and went to sleep. Now

25:04

before drifting off, Candra told her husband

25:06

that she didn't like he seemed to enjoy

25:08

killing for the sake of killing. But

25:10

Julio reminded her that everyone's different

25:12

and you just have to understand them on their own

25:14

terms. The next morning,

25:16

the couple was jarred awake when Tom

25:19

began knocking on the hood of their car

25:21

just as the sun began to rise. He

25:23

suggested that Dawn was the best time

25:25

to fish they should skip breakfast

25:27

and let him drive them further into

25:29

the forest to the ideal

25:31

spot. Oh my gosh. It's It's

25:34

so hard because hearing

25:36

it from this

25:36

perspective, you're just, like, red flag. Red flag.

25:38

Red flag. Red flag. But

25:40

How are they supposed to

25:41

know it's so much different in person sometimes.

25:43

Yeah. I don't know. 156, it's the seventies.

25:46

And I'm not saying that's, like, in a it's

25:49

just it was a different

25:50

time. I

25:51

think it's just I think stranger danger

25:53

is way more prevalent now than it was in the

25:55

seventies.

25:56

It's stranger danger. It's

25:58

stranger danger.

25:59

Oh, yeah. I

26:00

mean, I'm those that grew up in the seventies, correct

26:02

me if I'm wrong, but would I mean, I would dare to say

26:04

that's that's pretty obvious. I mean,

26:07

My dad was born in nineteen

26:09

seventy, and he would have gotten into

26:11

a truck with a

26:12

man. He didn't know drove up

26:15

to go hunting or fishing.

26:16

Yeah. You'd still do it.

26:17

Probably. Just a week. Shout

26:20

out that.

26:21

But, yeah, so it's just, ugh,

26:23

I think you hear it and you're like, no. No.

26:25

It's like it's like watching a horror

26:27

movie. You're like, don't do

26:29

it. Don't do it.

26:30

Yeah. So they decide

26:32

to get into his truck they drive on

26:34

board. But as he drove, Tom

26:36

had trouble finding the spot

26:39

that he claimed to the couple that he

26:40

knew. Of

26:41

course, he did. As familiar as he claimed

26:43

to be with the area, it was like he'd suddenly

26:45

lost his bearings. When Tom

26:47

finally found the area of the river where he

26:49

had been in cating this huge population

26:52

of fish was, Tom hung back while

26:54

Candra and Julio tried their luck. Julio

26:57

cast his line and waited. But

26:59

it was the same as it had been since

27:01

the beginning of the trip he caught nothing.

27:04

As they contemplated returning to camp Tom

27:06

suddenly began shooting at birds

27:08

with his rifle. It was just

27:11

as Candra had said, he seemed eager

27:13

to kill things. AND AS TOM BEGAN

27:15

PETTING THEIR DOG, RUSTY, HE OFFERED

27:18

HIS OPINION THAT THERE ARE ONLY

27:20

TWO THINGS WRONG WITH RUSTY. He's

27:22

alive Candra he's walking.

27:25

Now, this was another comment from Tom

27:27

that just said. Yes, about their dog.

27:30

And this just sent chills up and

27:32

down Candra as it should. And

27:34

Julio two seemed to sense at this point that

27:36

Tom was not safe. Like, they The

27:39

red flags are are blaring

27:41

at this point they're like, we are in danger we

27:43

need to

27:43

leave. And

27:44

they feel stuck, I'm sure. He told that

27:46

he didn't want leave the two of them

27:48

alone, which Candra agreed

27:50

with. And when Kendra unbuttoned a few

27:52

buttons over blouse to cool down from the blistering

27:54

July heat. Julio told her to button them

27:56

back up. He's like, no. We we can't even be doing

27:58

that at this point. So there was something

28:01

definitely predatory about Tom. Okay.

28:03

And Julio was noticing it too. But

28:05

trying to deescalate the situation,

28:08

Tom suggested they go do more hunting and

28:11

Julia was like, okay, yeah, we're gonna go

28:13

off and try to hunt some deer, I guess.

28:15

He then followed Tom and disappeared into

28:18

the clearing while Candra stayed behind with Rusty

28:20

and began cooking breakfast. Suddenly

28:23

though, she heard a single shot

28:25

ring out. She turned around in

28:27

the direction of where she heard the shot few

28:29

moments later, Tom appeared,

28:32

but he was alone. He said

28:34

we got ourselves a deer while staring

28:36

at her. Kendra felt something

28:38

deeply wrong. Where was Julio? as

28:40

she got up and ran toward the clearing from

28:43

where she heard the shot, another gunshot

28:46

sounded behind

28:47

her. Trigger warning here.

28:49

This is animal cruelty, but

28:51

she

28:51

No. There's a Yelp, and you guys

28:53

know what happens. I think not.

28:56

So Candra confronts

28:59

Tom crying and says you just

29:01

shot my dog Tom

29:03

begins approaching her while loading

29:05

his rifle, and he says that's

29:08

right. And I shot your husband too.

29:10

Oh. Yes.

29:13

So Kendra is absolutely terrified.

29:15

She's terrified because now she doesn't know where

29:17

Julio is. This guy just says he shot

29:19

him. He just shot her

29:22

dog. And she's

29:24

now all alone deep in the woods,

29:26

which she doesn't know with a stranger who would

29:28

just apparently murdered her

29:30

husband she just saw him kill her dog.

29:33

So at this point, she's I'm gonna die.

29:35

That's what's running through her mind. It

29:37

was at this point that Tom walked her

29:40

towards Julio's body

29:42

to show her that he really did shoot

29:44

her husband. So then she had to look at

29:46

her husband's dead

29:48

body. And then he grabbed her

29:50

by the hand and started forcing her to

29:52

walk with him. He told her it wouldn't do

29:54

her any good to run because he could just shoot

29:57

to kill her from five hundred yards away.

29:59

If I leave you here, he warned her it

30:01

won't be alive. She begged him not

30:03

to kill her, but he would only react by

30:06

flashing the same creepy, vacant

30:08

grin that he had been kind of doing

30:11

the whole morning. You and your husband

30:13

were dumb to believe that I was a logger

30:15

who worked up here, he said.

30:17

Oh.

30:17

I've killed five or six people I'm

30:19

wanted for murder in several states.

30:22

He said you can see my truck is from Nebraska.

30:24

My name is Kent Not Tom.

30:27

And I'm a hitman for the organization.

30:29

Doesn't declare one organization. She's

30:32

just a freaking weirdo. Yeah.

30:34

But I've killed one man too many, and now

30:36

they're after me. I had to kill your husband because

30:38

I wanted to take you into the mountains to live with

30:40

me because I need a companion. He

30:42

told her she was fit enough to be a mountain

30:45

woman. She told him she would only

30:47

be a drag on him that she was a city girl

30:49

at heart filling

30:52

his sexual interest in her.

30:54

She told him that she who was a quote

30:56

slut who gets it on with everyone,

30:58

which is so devastating because

31:00

she's trying to

31:01

Any talk about this? Yes. That's

31:04

Like, it's not true, but she's Yeah. And

31:06

even if it was true, it's,

31:08

like, something that would then turn this guy

31:10

off. You know what I mean? So it's just all in all

31:12

bad.

31:12

I can't believe he just shot them.

31:14

Right. And her dog and her husband are

31:16

now dead. That

31:17

is like so much trauma within just two

31:19

minutes. I don't even know how you handle all that.

31:21

Right. And now she has to fight for her life.

31:23

Yeah. But it doesn't seem to be working.

31:25

He led her deeper into the woods, dropping

31:27

items along the way to leave what Kendra

31:30

believed was a false trail. He made

31:32

her step only on rocks nothing

31:34

like the mud or the dirt, nothing that would leave

31:36

her footprints. He hiked with his

31:38

kidnapped victim for about four

31:41

hours. Yikes. When they

31:43

stopped to rest at a river, she

31:45

entered the water to cool off and as they've been

31:47

hiking for miles, she was burning hot, but

31:49

she felt Tom staring at her. And

31:51

when she turned around, he demanded that she walk

31:54

over to

31:54

him. She did. And he then

31:56

ordered her to take her top off.

31:58

Uh-huh.

31:59

You know where this is going? I

32:01

don't have to explain it, but she begs

32:03

him She says you murdered my husband, please

32:06

don't do this to me, but then he pulls

32:08

out a knife he forces her

32:10

to. And over the next

32:13

two days, Tom kept

32:15

Kendra around moving her from

32:17

area to area within the woods. As

32:20

if he hadn't yet decided what he was going

32:22

to do with her, all the while continuing

32:24

to assault her again and again.

32:27

He bragged during this time that he could have

32:29

killed her husband with a knife or with

32:31

his bare hands. He says, because I'm

32:33

trained in hand to hand combat. But

32:35

a gun, of course, is much less messy

32:37

and painful. He said if you know how

32:39

to use it. He told her he was trying

32:42

to protect her by not killing Julio in front

32:44

of

32:44

her. He said it was decent me to make

32:46

sure that I dragged him away before I did it.

32:48

It's so

32:49

weird to me that I just can't believe

32:51

these are the actual thoughts or running through this

32:53

guy's Mind. And that he's just

32:55

bragging to her about it. It's absolutely

32:57

cold blooded. And had become

32:59

convinced that she was not going to make

33:01

it out of these woods alive.

33:03

Yeah.

33:03

By the second day, she began submitting to

33:05

the man. She stopped resisting. She tried to forget

33:08

that her husband was dead that this man was

33:10

the man who killed him. And every

33:12

time they would stop to rest, she would

33:14

read that bible that she had packed

33:16

she would pray. Tom noticed this

33:18

and told her that he too used to be religious.

33:21

But he said, God gave up on me a

33:24

long time ago. This is when Kendra

33:26

told him God doesn't give up on anybody.

33:29

Tom disagreed. He said once again

33:31

that he killed too many people and

33:33

that the organization was after

33:34

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do you have the prize? Price

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line? Tom

36:06

talked nonstop. He

36:08

told her that he admired Hitler. This

36:11

is not the first time we've seen -- Yes.

36:13

-- being said on one of these stories. And that

36:15

he hated his family. He talked about his

36:17

mafia connections. A

36:19

lot of his story sounded like bull crap and

36:21

his demeanor veered from rough to gentle

36:24

swinging back and forth like a pendulum.

36:26

She kept pulling out her bible

36:28

and reading aloud from it. By the third

36:31

day, Tom was beginning to look

36:33

and sound sick. He

36:35

thought he might have pneumonia and told

36:37

her he thought he was going to die. Kendra

36:40

began crying Candra then Tom started

36:42

crying too. And This

36:45

is when something seemed to

36:47

kind of break in this moment. And

36:49

finally, he confessed to Candra

36:51

that he didn't want to kill her. He

36:54

told her that he didn't kill her husband

36:56

on purpose. It was an accident, he

36:58

said. But he'd already served time

37:00

in prison, and he was afraid of going back.

37:02

So that's why he brought her up to where he'd let her

37:04

at this hiding

37:05

spot. I mean,

37:05

he still killed the dogs. So

37:07

It's a it's honestly a lot. Insane.

37:09

Even if it was an accident, it's like Yes.

37:11

I think he's on well. I think he's on well.

37:13

Obviously, he's on well. For sure.

37:16

So as Candra, like, sitting here,

37:18

grasp me at straws, trying to figure out the right

37:20

thing to say, trying to fight for her life.

37:22

He agrees to let her go.

37:25

So she's like bargaining with him. And way.

37:27

He agrees to let her go under one condition.

37:30

In that condition was that she

37:32

backed up his story that the shooting was

37:34

an

37:34

accident. tell authorities that she

37:36

saw the whole thing. It's

37:37

hilarious that he thought that she would do that.

37:40

Right. And over the day as they hiked

37:42

their way back to the surface of the forest,

37:45

He repeatedly told her how it happened,

37:47

how it was an accident to get the story in her

37:49

head, how the gun had unexpectedly discharged

37:52

when he was handing it to Julio. eventually,

37:55

Candra started to

37:57

have a little bit of Stockholm syndrome

38:00

-- Okay. -- imagine what she's gone through

38:02

the last couple days. So Number one She begins

38:04

to almost convince herself that this

38:06

happened. She's like, okay, maybe this did happen,

38:08

the more she set it over and over.

38:10

Maybe he didn't to do it. Maybe he didn't mean to do

38:12

it. Maybe this is all just a bad dream.

38:14

She hadn't seen the actual

38:16

shooting. She wanna believe this man

38:19

in front of her was bad

38:21

because then that means that she's at the mercy of

38:23

him. So she accepts this version of

38:25

events as a survival mechanism. Candra

38:27

once they were out of the woods, they go

38:30

to the police station together. And

38:32

Tom, whose full name was

38:34

Thomas Leslie Brown. SO

38:36

HIS NAME ACTUALLY WAS TOM, TOOK

38:38

THE LEAD. HE DID ALL THE TALKING. HE TOLD THE POLICE

38:41

HE WISHED TO REPORT AN ACCENTAL SHOOTING

38:43

when the two sat down with a detective who took

38:45

the report, Tom explained that he'd met this couple,

38:47

brought them deep into the woods, and he went hunting

38:49

with Julio In his statement, he

38:52

said, quote, Julio and I walked up to the clearing,

38:54

the morning of the twenty fourth. He was

38:56

looking through my binoculars, and spotted a

38:58

deer. He handed them to me so I could see

39:00

and I handed the rifle over to him

39:02

at the same time. He said then after

39:04

he looked at the deer and gave the glasses

39:06

back to who Julio. He was handed

39:09

the gun, and it was while it was being

39:11

passed. He accidentally grabbed it by the balance

39:13

with his finger and on the trigger. It

39:15

fired and the bullet hit Julio in

39:18

the head. So it was an accident. Okay. And

39:20

Tom claimed that Candra had witnessed the whole

39:22

thing. She ran screaming. He claimed the

39:24

dog when which had been asleep, then woke up

39:26

and charged at him trying to attack

39:28

him so he shot the dog too. He had

39:30

no choice. The detective asked

39:33

Tom to clarify when exactly this

39:35

had occurred. And he said it it happened on Saturday.

39:38

Well, it's now Wednesday. so

39:42

the detective is like, this was

39:44

four days ago. And

39:46

Tom explained that he'd gone into a

39:48

state of shock for several hours. He

39:51

didn't know what to do. He'd felt that because

39:53

he had a rather extensive criminal record,

39:56

no one would believe him, so he decided to

39:58

flee. He claimed he then told Candra

40:00

that she could do what she wanted, but

40:03

he was going to retreat. And then

40:05

he said she told him that he conscious leaver

40:07

there that he had to take her back to civilization.

40:10

He said he then refused saying there's

40:12

no way he was gonna go back so

40:14

she was free to accompany him into the mouth.

40:16

Instead. And because he knew these

40:18

woods she didn't she followed

40:20

him, he told detectives he spent the next

40:22

three days trying to push past his fear and

40:24

confront the situation. And when

40:26

Kendra agreed to back him up, he then left

40:28

the woods with her and proceeded to go to

40:30

the police station and here they were. Now,

40:33

obviously, the detective was suspicious

40:35

Tom's story and asked Candra to explain

40:37

what had happened. And she sitting

40:40

there in front of Tom backs it up.

40:42

She says,

40:43

yeah, it was an accident. Tom didn't mean

40:45

to do it. But she she was talking

40:47

very robotic. Yeah.

40:49

And if they had been split into

40:51

separate immediately, there's a chance

40:53

that she wouldn't have

40:54

agreed. It's a surprise they didn't split immediately.

40:57

Right. Knowing that it was her husband, I'm

40:59

surprised they didn't go Let's split let's

41:01

split them up --

41:02

Right. -- figure out what's going on. I'm not blaming

41:04

you what I'm just saying. I'm surprised they didn't do that.

41:06

But either way, she in a robotic

41:08

basically dead eye way says,

41:11

yeah, Tom was then given a

41:13

polygraph test he passed. He

41:15

accompanied authorities back to the scene.

41:17

Yep. Up in the mountains in order to give them

41:19

a better sense of how things went down, and

41:22

also to recover Julio's body.

41:24

Now, by the time they got to it, Julio was

41:27

still dressed in his hiking gear, but he was

41:29

already pretty badly decompose. Remember,

41:31

this is July peak of summer. It's hot.

41:33

It's humid. he had been covered

41:36

in ferns as if to conceal

41:38

him. Now, nearby, they found the remains

41:40

of rusty, and they also found the Winchester

41:42

Rifle that was responsible Julio's

41:45

death. Tom had discarded it before

41:47

leaving the woods. Same with the savage

41:49

rifle. There were two rifles. both

41:53

rifles were confiscated by police

41:55

for a ballistic examination. The

41:58

autopsy that was performed on Julio

42:00

showed that he died from a single rifle

42:02

blast to the head. The Ebola entered

42:04

through the right cheek and exited on the

42:06

left side of his neck. So this would mean

42:09

the Bulleit's path was almost perfectly horizontal

42:11

-- Mhmm. -- which seemed unlikely if the gun

42:13

had accidentally discharged while

42:16

pat being passed back and forth. It

42:18

was more like it had been aimed

42:20

at Julio, but they couldn't tell for sure.

42:23

Nonetheless, he had passed his polygraph Candra

42:25

the police here were supportive of

42:28

mister Tom Candra his account.

42:30

Meanwhile, as she

42:32

rested at home with her parents, Candra kept

42:34

having flashes of the trauma on

42:36

the mountain. Something inside

42:39

her brain was alerting her, telling her

42:41

that the story that she was telling,

42:44

which she had absolutely lately

42:46

absorbed into her memory at this point wasn't

42:48

what

42:48

happened. So she starts having PTSD

42:51

flash backs of, like, I'm buried

42:54

this. I'm burying this thing it's like trying

42:56

so hard to fight out of her brain.

42:58

It seems she had memories of everything

43:00

leading up to meeting Tom. But

43:02

then the three days that followed the shooting

43:05

were a total blur. She remembered being

43:07

scared of Tom when they first met him

43:09

and kind of liking him by the end of

43:11

the ordeal. But then she thought

43:13

about the gunshot, the blood, and the

43:15

memory gap began slowly filling

43:17

in. And when

43:20

she returned to the apartment she had shared

43:22

with Julio in the company of her mother.

43:24

She broke out crying. It was almost

43:26

like this barrier broke. She

43:29

turned to her mom and said, I'm not

43:31

sure Julio's death was really an

43:33

accident. And her mom was

43:35

horrified but not exactly

43:37

shocked because she knew her daughter. And

43:40

the way she was acting Candra the story

43:42

just hadn't been sounding right,

43:44

obviously. The way Candra was

43:46

delivering it, like, in a very robotic

43:49

tone, it seemed programmed. And

43:51

so a week after she went to the Candra

43:54

returned to the station with her parents.

43:56

And she told the detectives, she wanted

43:58

to tell them what really happened because now she was

44:00

pretty sure it was in an accident. She said,

44:03

that guy murdered my

44:05

husband. And she revealed that

44:07

over the next three days, she was

44:09

sexually assaulted multiple times

44:11

held prisoner Candra then that he had convinced

44:14

her that she'd seen the shooting and

44:16

it had been an accident Candra that he'd let

44:18

her go if she came to town and backed up

44:20

his account, so she thinks that her brain

44:22

just, like, went into survival mode.

44:25

The detectives though were now having trouble

44:27

with Candra

44:28

story. They couldn't believe that she'd lie

44:30

for a man who just murdered her

44:32

husband.

44:33

She was his prisoner for three days. Why can't

44:35

Right. Like anything can happen. Oh, for

44:37

sure. And also, she's in such a vulnerable

44:40

state like -- Her

44:41

mind. --

44:41

all over the place. Right. Susceptible to

44:44

anything. So they give her a polygraph.

44:46

And while Tom passed his polygraph,

44:49

Candra, which is not weird

44:51

because there was still probably

44:53

a part of her brain that thought it was true. Yeah.

44:56

She was trying to figure out what the correct

44:58

the correct version was. So

45:00

she was given another polygraph

45:03

test she felt that one too. So

45:05

like we've said many times on our podcast, Polygraph

45:08

tests are just bogus. Yeah.

45:11

But poor candor who'd been through so much

45:13

already failed these tests. THE

45:15

POLICE THOUGHT SHE WAS LYING AND THEY

45:17

REFUSED TO REOPEN THE CASE Candra

45:20

THEY RETURNED TOM'S RIFEWES

45:22

TOO. Reporter:

45:22

WORKING WAY.

45:24

Yep. But then a psychiatrist

45:26

named Dr. J. H. Trelevan

45:29

of the Oregon State Hospital sat

45:31

down with Candra to go through what she said had

45:33

happened. he walked away

45:35

from his interactions with her

45:37

with the conclusion that she had in

45:39

fact been brainwashed. It's

45:41

Stockholm syndrome. They call it.

45:44

That's when kidnapped victims and hostages

45:46

either as survival mechanism or

45:48

because they've been manipulated or sometimes

45:50

combination of both begin to

45:52

sympathize with their captors and believe

45:55

everything that they're told. This was

45:57

named after the nineteen seventy

45:59

three Stockholm Suite and Bank robbery,

46:01

which we've covered on this podcast. The

46:04

doctor believed all the hallmarks of

46:06

Stockholm syndrome brainwashing were

46:08

evident in Candra. Psychek

46:10

shock, witnessing Tom Brown kill her

46:12

dog being told that he'd killed her husband,

46:15

then seeing her husband's body, isolation,

46:18

programming, Tom repeating the story

46:20

of how the accident happened, torture,

46:23

and the promise of a reward, which was

46:25

escaping the woods with her life.

46:27

Doctor Trelevan shared his thoughts

46:29

with the detectives and convinced them just to

46:32

take another look at the case. He's like, listen, I

46:34

know it's closed. But

46:36

as a doctor, I'm pretty sure she's telling

46:38

the truth. And also, you

46:40

know, they knew of Tom's

46:42

criminal heard that Tom had prior

46:44

arrests for kidnapping dating back

46:46

to when he was a

46:47

teenager. Which

46:48

makes even more obvious. Right. It

46:50

turns out the truck and the rifles that

46:52

he had that day were stolen, and

46:54

physical evidence would tell whether the dog

46:57

had been shot in front like Tom had claimed

46:59

or from behind like candor claimed.

47:02

But the dog was never autopsy had

47:04

already been buried. Another finding from

47:06

Julio's autopsy they revisited was

47:08

the lack of gunpowder residue around

47:11

the entrance wound, not on his

47:13

head, in his hair, or in his shirt,

47:15

and it would have been if it really had

47:17

gone off from just pass. So they

47:19

did series of test fires on the

47:21

same Winchester rifle from varying

47:24

distances, and they concluded that the rifle

47:26

couldn't have been closer than thirty six

47:28

inches away from Julio when he was shot,

47:31

which proved that his story was

47:33

a fabrication and Candra had been

47:35

telling the

47:35

truth. Got it.

47:36

Julio's death was in fact a murder

47:38

and not an accident. The case

47:40

was then brought before a grand jury it was decided

47:43

that Tom Brown would be tried for murder.

47:45

So he was arrested and charged, and while he was

47:47

in jail, he actually confessed everything

47:50

to his cell mate. He boasted that

47:53

he was going to beat the rep. And once

47:55

he was out, he would go after both Kendra

47:57

and the two prosecutors. He was gonna kill them

47:59

both. And even if he did get convicted,

48:01

he would only do a two years. He told the Selmate,

48:03

and once he was out, he would then go kill Kendra.

48:06

Either way, that Selmate decides to

48:09

testify.

48:10

Well, like that happens all the time. It seems

48:12

so weird to me that you have

48:14

two cons inside a jail,

48:16

and you're telling the other you're telling

48:18

the other con your story of how you killed someone.

48:21

You like you don't think he's gonna snitch on you?

48:22

Don't trust the sneaky sneaky. Of course, he's gonna

48:25

snitch on you. Exactly. Two days

48:27

before for the trial, Tom Brown posted

48:29

bond. And meanwhile, Kendra was put

48:31

up in a motel room under a false name for

48:33

her own protection. Brown was

48:35

so cocky and confident that he waved

48:37

a jury trial and so the trial was presented

48:40

just before one judge. Candra

48:42

had a hard time testifying on the

48:44

Candra and reliving the incident, no doubt.

48:47

So instead of testifying, she wrote an

48:49

eight team page statement detailing

48:51

the entire ordeal. Tom Brown

48:53

took the stand and gave a new account

48:55

of how the gun went off trying to

48:57

form the story to the forensic evidence,

49:00

but the judge didn't buy it. The judge found

49:02

him guilty and sentenced him to

49:04

life in prison.

49:05

Good. Good.

49:06

Candra eventually remarried and had

49:08

children and lives in a different state

49:10

under a new

49:11

name, so we will also be

49:13

protecting her identity. For Candra.

49:16

Good for her for figuring

49:18

out how to deal with all the trauma Candra

49:21

with

49:22

life. Right. And again,

49:24

with the survivor stories, it's the hardest

49:26

part. It's like you would think that

49:28

surviving

49:29

would be the tough part, but

49:31

No. Yeah. It's that.

49:32

Any survivor tells you it's the aftermath

49:34

that is so hard.

49:36

Oh, that's so crazy. I

49:39

Julio's dead.

49:41

It's so

49:41

traumatic. It's so sad. That is horrible.

49:44

It's so

49:44

traumatic. Gosh. Dang it.

49:46

Rusty.

49:47

I know. That's so sad. I felt bad at the

49:49

beginning. I was talking about Tom Lager and

49:51

I was right. Yeah. But then he

49:53

said his name was fake, but then it actually was

49:55

Tom. So we can kind of just

49:58

take a moment here to think

50:00

about because she

50:03

is a real victim. This is a real

50:05

story. And, you know, like,

50:07

it's someone's real life.

50:09

And I also think I

50:12

don't ever wanna discredit the fact

50:14

that she played a big

50:16

role in getting out of this alive. Yeah.

50:18

She went through what she had to go through. She did

50:20

what she had to do to stay alive.

50:22

And it's it's more than any of

50:24

us. Whatever understanding. Alright.

50:27

You guys. That was our episode for today,

50:29

and we will see you next time with another

50:31

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