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Newport Beach Harbor in Southern

1:09

California. It takes

1:12

less than an hour to drive there from the city

1:14

of Los Angeles, but it feels

1:17

worlds away. It's a safe

1:19

haven for boaters, fishermen, and

1:21

wealthy homeowners. Anyone

1:23

looking to escape reality. And

1:26

that's why the events of September 2006 were

1:29

so alarming to the people who

1:31

lived there. Who is the woman found

1:33

floating in Newport Bay? Her identity

1:36

is still a mystery. On

1:38

September 13th, a body

1:40

was found floating in the harbor. A woman

1:43

in her 50s.

1:45

They removed the body from the water that was wrapped

1:47

in a mattress pad and bed sheets. And

1:49

found a female white in her 50s with multiple

1:52

stab wounds. It was an extremely big

1:54

story.

1:55

Steve Mack was the Huntington Beach

1:57

detective assigned to the case.

2:00

What was it that told investigators

2:03

immediately that this was a homicide? The

2:05

over 50 stab wounds in the victim's

2:08

torso, mainly above the neck and

2:10

face area.

2:13

What was even more shocking? The

2:15

victim had a butter knife lodged

2:18

in one of her eyes.

2:20

As a detective, when you hear that someone has

2:22

been stabbed that many times, what does

2:24

that say to you?

2:26

To me personally, it means that it's a personal issue.

2:28

The person that knew that victim is the

2:31

one that killed her.

2:32

Who was she?

2:33

And why did someone

2:35

want her dead? I'm

2:37

Erin Moriarty

2:38

and this is my life

2:40

of crime. When

2:45

a middle-aged woman was found murdered

2:47

and floating in the ocean near

2:49

the Newport Beach Harbor, investigators

2:52

struggled to find out who she was

2:55

and who wanted her dead. The

2:58

investigation would eventually lead

3:00

where no one expected, but on

3:03

that day, they just needed

3:05

to know who the victim was. There

3:07

were no missing persons who fit her description

3:10

and her fingerprints didn't match any

3:13

in the databases.

3:15

It was finally pathologist Shawn

3:17

Enlow who solved the mystery in

3:20

a way I had never encountered.

3:22

We do have to go through extra hoops

3:24

sometimes.

3:25

When Dr. Enlow did the autopsy,

3:28

he discovered the victim had breast

3:30

implants.

3:31

In this case, she had breast

3:33

implants that had distinct serial

3:36

numbers on them and we were able to trace

3:38

her identity through those serial numbers. Very

3:41

unusual.

3:43

And that's how they learned the victim was

3:45

56-year-old

3:45

Barbara Mullenax residing

3:48

nearby in the city

3:50

of Huntington Beach. We

3:52

were able to identify that she had an

3:55

ex-husband that she lived with named Bruce Mullenax

3:57

and a daughter named Rachel Scarlett Mullenax.

4:00

That's Joe Cartwright, another

4:03

detective who's with the Newport

4:04

Beach Police Department.

4:08

Once investigators knew the name

4:10

of the victim, they needed to determine

4:12

where she had been murdered. But

4:14

the next problem was just tracking down

4:17

any next of kin. They couldn't

4:19

find either Barbara's ex-husband or

4:22

her 17-year-old daughter, Rachel.

4:23

Neither of them were in the hospital. Neither

4:26

of them had been reported missing. So

4:28

detectives Cartwright and Mack went

4:30

to the address listed as Barbara's home, a modest

4:34

Huntington Beach condo. Here's

4:36

Detective Mack. Well,

4:38

once we went in when the search warrant

4:40

was signed, entering through the downstairs door,

4:43

it's a two-story condominium, nothing seemed

4:45

out of place. It seemed like a normal, lived-in family environment.

4:50

But when investigators went upstairs, Barbara's

4:52

bedroom told a different story.

4:59

And immediately something looked out of place

5:01

because the bed had been disassembled and the mattress and

5:03

box spring were missing. And what did that say

5:05

to you right away? Instantly

5:08

that told me that this is where the crime occurred.

5:10

Detectives believed that the mattress

5:12

and the box spring had been removed because they were

5:15

probably saturated in Barbara's

5:18

blood. Knowing that she was likely

5:20

killed by someone she knew well

5:22

and in her own home, it began to

5:25

look a lot like a case of domestic

5:27

violence. The obvious

5:30

people of interest, boyfriends

5:32

and exes. Like

5:34

Barbara's ex-husband, Bruce.

5:37

No, I understand.

5:39

I'm the ex-husband. We're living in the same

5:42

condo. I have watched crime

5:44

shows. I've watched 48 hours.

5:46

That's Barbara's ex, Bruce.

5:49

I mean, the ex

5:51

is usually the first person you go to.

5:53

But Bruce told me he had once been very

5:55

much in love with Barbara.

5:57

She was very opinionated.

5:59

She wasn't afraid to tell

6:02

somebody what she thought.

6:03

To me, that was attractive. It

6:05

was different. It was, you know, I kind

6:08

of liked it.

6:10

I was taken by her.

6:13

The couple got married in Oklahoma

6:15

and had their

6:15

daughter Rachel. Life was

6:18

good. We found a nice

6:20

house, big backyard,

6:22

great big pool. I mean, just everything you

6:24

could want. And it was good.

6:28

It was a lot of fun. And that's what Rachel was born

6:30

into.

6:32

Bruce says though, that over time,

6:34

Barbara's drinking got in the way.

6:37

Barbara had a problem. When

6:40

she got more and more into the drinking, that

6:42

thing started to get bad. And when

6:45

Barbara got really drunk,

6:47

it would be a night of intense verbal

6:50

bashing.

6:53

It started to be the main

6:56

focus and the main experience in the house.

7:00

Things got so contentious, the

7:02

cops were called at least twice.

7:05

Bruce and Barbara finally divorced when

7:07

Rachel was about 13.

7:08

Bruce

7:10

says he left Oklahoma and moved

7:12

to California. But three

7:14

years later, Barbara and Rachel followed

7:16

him because their money was tight. Barbara

7:19

and Rachel moved in with

7:20

Bruce in his

7:22

too small condo. Bruce

7:24

has things between the couple only

7:26

got worse and Rachel was

7:28

caught in the middle.

7:30

She would say something to Rachel, like, well, you know, your dad is

7:32

spending too much money. So, you

7:35

know, he's gonna whore you out on the streets so

7:38

he can pay the bills.

7:39

But is she so abusive? Why let her move in

7:41

with you?

7:44

Rachel begged me, Rachel asked me.

7:47

After Barbara was murdered, when homicide

7:49

detectives learned about the couple's history,

7:52

they became very interested in talking

7:55

to Bruce. But where was

7:57

he? And then just as they

7:59

were going to... the condo looking for evidence.

8:02

They got a surprise visitor.

8:03

Bruce Molyneux

8:05

had just walked in the door. And what

8:08

went through your head? Well, I immediately

8:10

knew I was wrong with him being a suspect. How

8:12

did you know that? I don't think he would have returned to the

8:16

scene and tried to walk into

8:18

it

8:19

with us being there.

8:21

Bruce hadn't gone in hiding, he

8:24

says. He told detectives that he'd

8:26

just been out of town on business for several

8:28

days. When they asked

8:30

him about Rachel, the couple's daughter,

8:33

Bruce told them that he had last spoken

8:35

to her by phone on Tuesday,

8:37

September 12th, the night before

8:40

Barbara's body was discovered.

8:43

Rachel had called to tell me that

8:46

she thought Barbara had had a drink or two and

8:49

that she was worried it was going to be another night,

8:53

you know, like so many. Yeah.

8:56

And I said, Rachel, just

8:58

stay in your room, call me if you need

9:00

to. And that was it.

9:03

When he didn't hear from his daughter again

9:06

or from Barbara, Bruce says

9:08

he became concerned and called

9:10

the father of Rachel's boyfriend and

9:13

asked him to check out the condo.

9:15

And

9:16

I said, hey, would you go over and just, you

9:18

know, look at the condo and he goes, yeah, I'll have to go do that. So

9:20

he went over there and checked it and the door was locked.

9:24

But, you know, there was no sign of anybody. And

9:28

so I just, I still had, you

9:30

know, you get that feeling that something's wrong,

9:32

but you can't put your finger on it.

9:34

Bruce's story checked out. He

9:37

had been on the road when Barbara was killed

9:40

and that left detectives with two

9:42

other possible suspects, Rachel

9:46

and her new boyfriend, Ian Allen.

9:49

Was Rachel somehow involved in

9:51

her mother's murder? No

9:54

one had seen either Rachel or

9:56

Ian since Barbara's body

9:58

had been found. Did

10:00

you have any idea where he was at that point?

10:02

No, we did not.

10:03

But at that point, did you believe that

10:05

Ian Allen and Rachel Molnick's must

10:07

be together? Yes.

10:09

Investigators began the search for the young

10:11

couple, Ian, 21 years old, and 17-year-old

10:15

Rachel. They soon learned

10:17

that two weeks before Barbara's body

10:19

had been found floating in the harbor, Rachel

10:22

and her mother had a fight. John

10:25

Ian had gone out for dinner and fell

10:27

asleep at his house,

10:28

breaking her curfew.

10:31

Barbara later showed up on his doorstep.

10:34

And what happened when Barbara got to Ian's

10:36

house? Was it a big... Well,

10:39

she was obsessed. She was pounding on the door.

10:41

So she was making a scene,

10:45

dragging her out and embarrassing her,

10:48

as I think most concerned parents would

10:50

be at that point.

10:53

Sonia Bieste is an Orange

10:56

County prosecutor who joined the hunt

10:58

for Ian and Rachel. When

11:00

cops checked Ian's computer,

11:03

they discovered that someone had

11:05

printed driving directions to

11:07

Tampa, Florida. So now

11:09

we knew where they were going. So what we started to

11:11

do was look at where

11:14

they might

11:14

be in that route, based

11:16

on how much time had passed and where

11:19

we expect them to be. They

11:20

were a long way from home. Ian's

11:23

credit card had been used in the state of Louisiana

11:26

at a gas station in a place

11:29

called Sulfur, about 1,700

11:31

miles from home.

11:33

We knew that they

11:35

had just been there. So we called the next town

11:37

over, which is Lafayette Parish,

11:40

and they sat up on the I-10

11:41

looking for Ian's truck. And

11:44

he was stopped.

11:46

Ian's truck was spotted,

11:48

and local authorities pulled it

11:50

over.

11:51

Inside the truck, Ian

11:53

and Rachel, who were taken into

11:55

custody. And then,

11:58

both were arrested.

12:00

You are under arrest for the

12:02

murder of your mother.

12:04

I know that I was kidnapped. Do you

12:06

know that? I know that's what you're

12:08

saying. What are you

12:10

going to say? We have

12:12

physical evidence to the contrary.

12:15

Why do you believe? What

12:18

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12:21

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12:37

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12:40

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12:44

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12:55

What happened in the Huntington Beach

12:57

condo? What would cause someone

13:00

to stab Barbara Mullenix over

13:02

and over again, and then,

13:05

in an incomprehensible act,

13:08

put a butter knife in her eye? After

13:11

Rachel Mullenix was picked up in Louisiana,

13:14

she told police a harrowing

13:16

story, and she pointed the finger

13:19

at her boyfriend, Ian Allen. She

13:21

said he had killed her mother and

13:24

forced her to

13:25

watch. I was asleep

13:27

this

13:28

whole night. I heard my mom

13:30

scream my name. I needed

13:32

a real name. I used

13:35

to have a number 7 here.

13:38

I just wanted

13:41

to see that he pushed me in the

13:43

back of my head.

13:47

Rachel told investigators that she remembered

13:50

nothing after that, until she regained

13:53

consciousness in a nearby motel

13:55

bound and gagged by Ian. But

13:58

Detective Joe Cartwright, said the

14:00

evidence didn't back her story.

14:04

Was there any evidence at the Starlight

14:06

Motel that in fact

14:09

either Ian or Rachel had been

14:11

there?

14:11

No.

14:12

While Rachel said her boyfriend had pushed

14:15

her roughly out of the way, she didn't

14:17

have any wounds consistent with

14:19

being shoved against

14:21

furniture.

14:22

Detective Mack asked Rachel

14:24

why she didn't even have a bruise.

14:27

Her response was that she's

14:29

young, she doesn't bruise, old people bruise. But

14:31

then she managed to find a small dime-sized

14:34

bruise on her right forearm and point that out

14:36

for me. But that was the only injury she had.

14:39

By now, detectives Mack and Cartwright

14:41

were beginning to believe that 17-year-old

14:44

Rachel had made up the

14:47

entire story.

14:49

She was crying for, seemed

14:52

like 20, 30 minutes. But

14:54

I never saw a single tear.

14:56

But while detectives

14:57

believed Rachel was more involved, her

15:00

boyfriend Ian Allen seemed

15:02

to back up her claims. He

15:04

told detectives he killed Barbara and

15:07

that he forced Rachel to help him dispose

15:10

of her mother's car and her body.

15:14

She didn't need to be locked up or anything. I meant

15:16

to her. I'm hopeful. But if I can

15:18

get her back home from where she belongs,

15:21

that's not going to happen.

15:23

Prosecutor Sonia Bieste, who

15:25

would try Rachel for murder, didn't

15:28

believe Rachel was a helpless bystander.

15:31

Bieste says that Rachel had countless

15:34

opportunities to call the police.

15:36

Was there time after

15:39

her mother was murdered that she could

15:41

have either gone for help, called for

15:44

help?

15:44

Numerous.

15:47

Endless opportunities.

15:50

And was there any attempt, any attempt

15:52

to make a phone call? None.

15:55

None.

15:57

Why didn't Rachel try to get help

15:59

for her mother? not even when she might have

16:01

had the chance to save her mother's

16:04

life. You don't know that she's

16:06

dead. Maybe there's a chance to save her. Did

16:08

you try to call 911?

16:10

No. That's Rachel.

16:12

Did you even take her pulse to see if

16:14

she was dead?

16:16

No.

16:17

A lot of people judge me because of

16:19

this.

16:21

And it's not fair. But why didn't

16:23

you run out the door and get help

16:25

for your mother?

16:26

I was scared. It's like I

16:28

freeze in fear.

16:29

When I later spoke to her in jail, she

16:32

insisted she was a victim, that

16:34

she was scared she would anger the man

16:37

who had just killed

16:37

her mother.

16:39

But there is a video from that Louisiana

16:41

gas station where Ian and Rachel stop

16:44

to get gas. That seems

16:46

to contradict that. Prosecutor

16:49

Biesti describes what is seen

16:51

on the screen.

16:53

Ian actually goes to use the ATM

16:55

card and Rachel is free

16:57

roaming around the store getting something

17:00

to drink, paying for

17:02

it herself, and then going about her

17:04

way meeting up with Ian again, sort

17:07

of in a very

17:08

loving manner. But

17:10

Rachel says the video is

17:12

deceptive.

17:14

You don't look upset. You're

17:16

not hysterical. You

17:19

don't ask anyone for help. You don't leave a

17:21

note for someone. Why not?

17:24

Nobody knows what they're going to do in this situation.

17:27

Nobody. And I was

17:29

scared. Of what? Him. I

17:31

didn't know what he was going to do next. But why would

17:33

Rachel want her mother dead?

17:36

Relationships between mother and daughter

17:39

can be complicated, but murder?

17:42

Investigators learned that in the weeks

17:44

and months before Barbara was murdered, her

17:47

relationship with Rachel had become

17:49

very strained and they fought

17:52

most frequently over Rachel's

17:54

relationship with Ian.

17:56

As things became more intense and

17:59

Ian...

17:59

and Barbara started to compete,

18:02

if you will,

18:03

for control of Rachel, then

18:07

that's when Ian started to get a taste of who Barbara

18:09

really was.

18:11

Barbara was very intimidating. Rachel's

18:14

father, Bruce, says that Barbara felt Ian

18:17

was taking her daughter away and

18:19

became upset when the couple

18:21

announced their engagement.

18:22

The more serious

18:24

that Rachel was getting with Ian, Barbara

18:27

thought that this idea that

18:29

she's gonna kinda have Rachel to help her survive

18:32

after Rachel turns 18 or when my money

18:35

stops. I think that was now

18:37

being threatened, and the threat was Ian.

18:40

Rachel told me that she believed

18:42

Ian had gotten tired of her mother's

18:44

interference. She talked

18:46

about that night that she says was

18:49

particularly embarrassing. After

18:51

she missed her 1 a.m. curfew, Rachel

18:54

says, her mother became furious.

18:57

My mom shows up at his house,

19:01

just humiliating, but... She

19:03

ended up waking up his parents? Yeah. And

19:06

was she angry? Yeah, she was angry.

19:10

Was she making a scene? Yeah, I

19:12

thought she'd overreacted. I was mad,

19:15

but

19:16

you get over it. How did Ian feel

19:18

about her showing up? Ian was

19:21

livid. He was livid. But

19:23

does that explain the violence behind

19:26

Barbara's murder? Detective

19:28

Mack and other investigators believe

19:30

that Rachel was really the

19:33

instigator. They believe she

19:35

manipulated her boyfriend into

19:37

killing Barbara. He points

19:40

to a conversation that police secretly

19:42

recorded between Rachel and

19:44

Ian while they sat in a police

19:46

car with a hidden tape recorder.

19:50

What came out in that tape

19:53

recording is Rachel's further

19:56

manipulation of Ian, telling

19:58

him that he needs to get a... attorney and

20:00

he needs to get out but if he can't get out

20:02

and she does she's going

20:04

to change her appearance and come visit him in in

20:07

prison leading

20:09

him further to believe that if he just

20:12

takes the blame for everything she'll love him forever and

20:16

clearly that's not the case.

20:18

Can Rachel convince the jury she's

20:20

a victim along with her mother? Two

20:23

years after she was arrested for murder

20:26

she went on trial. Prosecutor

20:29

Sonia Bayeste. Rachel

20:31

Molnick is an active participant

20:32

in her mother's murder.

20:35

A cold, manipulative killer.

20:39

She's no typical 17 year old.

20:42

This one's 17 going on 42.

20:45

Rachel's attorney David Cone

20:48

told the jury that Ian Allen and only

20:50

Ian Allen murdered Barbara Molnick.

20:53

But Rachel Molnick had nothing to do with

20:56

the killing of her mother. But he's

20:58

going to have to explain to the jury the

21:00

evidence that shows that Rachel

21:02

helped Ian clean up after

21:04

the murder.

21:06

You will find evidence that it appears that Barbara

21:08

Molnick

21:10

was killed in her bedroom.

21:13

There was so much blood

21:15

that mattress had to be burned. This

21:21

defendant in particular tries to clean up

21:23

his punch. Interestingly

21:27

enough when that punch was tested for DNA,

21:29

it shows that it has a murder

21:32

scene. Mm-hmm.

21:39

Maria.

21:42

The defense decides to take a

21:44

gamble and put

21:46

Rachel herself on the stand

21:49

to try to explain what happened

21:51

on that horrendous night

21:52

of murder. I was going

21:54

to wait until my mom was asleep. I

21:57

will call him and tell him to come get me.

22:00

That was the plan. But then

22:02

Rachel says Ian showed up unannounced

22:05

at her bedroom door.

22:07

It scared me at first because I wasn't expecting

22:10

them to be in my house. So, you

22:12

know, I said, why are you in here?

22:15

What's this machine downstairs? What's going

22:16

on? And

22:18

at that time when we were talking, my

22:21

mom, I guess, had woken up and she'd open her

22:23

bedroom door. She comes into

22:25

the hallway and there was a lot of yelling

22:27

going on. She's yelling. He's yelling.

22:30

I'm yelling.

22:31

She turned around, walked back into her

22:33

bedroom, and just assumed maybe he was going to

22:35

go in there and try to just calm her down before anything happened.

22:39

But I had to struggle. I

22:42

went in there and I walk in and I see

22:44

my mom on her bed.

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And Ian is stabbing

22:50

her in her legs because she's trying to kick

22:52

him off. But

22:55

Rachel's story is inconsistent

22:58

with the evidence. Pathologist

23:00

Sean Enlow, who did the autopsy

23:02

on Barbara Mullenix, says Rachel's

23:04

mom was stabbed more than 50 times

23:08

and that at least three knives

23:11

were used in the murder.

23:13

I believe it is more likely that it

23:15

was two assailants than one, and that could

23:17

have been as few as maybe

23:20

five minutes for the whole encounter. But

23:23

I don't know for sure.

23:24

We've already heard that Rachel never

23:26

attempted to contact the police that

23:28

night, but at trial the jury hears

23:31

something even more incriminating

23:33

that four hours after her mother's murder

23:36

left alone in the condo while

23:39

Ian was getting rid of evidence, Rachel

23:42

finally picks up the phone.

23:44

And who does she call?

23:47

Out of all the people that you could

23:49

call now, that you have your phone in your hand

23:52

and that you feel that you can

23:54

use it,

23:57

you don't call your dad, right? You

24:00

don't call 911. No. You

24:02

call your mother's

24:05

killer, right?

24:07

True. You

24:09

must have felt incredibly

24:11

betrayed by him.

24:13

Yes? Yes. You

24:16

must have even hated him at that point,

24:18

right?

24:20

Yes. And

24:22

out of all the things that you could have said to

24:24

him,

24:25

you text him the words,

24:28

I love

24:29

you.

24:31

Is that correct? Yes.

24:36

When Rachel could have called police,

24:38

she called Ian instead to

24:41

tell the man who had just killed her

24:43

mother that she loves him.

24:45

And then another text message asking,

24:48

are you in trouble? And

24:50

a third one that said, can I call

24:52

you? Ian's

24:54

response,

24:55

he texts back, I

24:57

love you too. No, I'm not

24:59

in trouble and you can't call

25:01

me right now. I later

25:04

asked Rachel about those damning

25:06

texts.

25:08

It sounds like in those texts that you're worried

25:10

about where he is. You're saying, where are

25:12

you? Can I call you? Are you in trouble?

25:15

I mean, this doesn't sound like a person

25:18

who's angry with him at all. It

25:20

sounds like a young woman who still loves

25:22

him even after he killed

25:23

your mother. I love you.

25:26

That's what the text says. I want

25:28

to know what's going on. I want to know what he's

25:30

doing.

25:34

My only goal at that point was to not

25:36

make him mad, even if he wasn't there. I

25:39

didn't know what he was capable of doing. I didn't know if

25:41

he was going to sit there and do the same thing to my dad, do the

25:43

same thing to me. I didn't know. The

25:46

jury took three days to

25:49

deliberate.

25:50

Rachel's attorney, David Cone. When

25:53

they called and said there was a verdict, I

25:57

was hesitant to be too excited about it. When

26:01

the defendant returned to the courtroom, she

26:03

was shackled and looked much younger

26:06

than her 19 years, suddenly

26:08

sporting pigtails in her hair.

26:12

We the jury in the above entitled act shall find the

26:14

defendant, Rachel Spardak-Molanek, guilty

26:16

of the crime of murder as charged to account one

26:18

of the information in the first degree.

26:21

The victim, or Molanek, stated July 17th, 2019.

26:25

Guilty of first degree murder.

26:27

The jury clearly didn't believe she was

26:29

a victim.

26:31

And nearly three months later,

26:32

Rachel

26:33

was sentenced to 25 years to

26:36

life in prison. Her father

26:38

told me later he would stand by

26:41

her.

26:41

She still love her? I still love her. Completely.

26:48

And I always will. I'm

26:51

very proud

26:52

that she's my daughter.

26:58

I'm just a young girl that didn't, the

27:00

wrong guy.

27:02

I didn't do it. I know I didn't do it. My

27:04

mom knows I didn't do it.

27:06

It is rare for a child to kill a

27:09

parent. The few studies that exist

27:11

say those events account for only 2% of

27:13

all homicides. Rachel

27:17

insists she didn't want her mother

27:19

dead. But a line I read in

27:21

one study struck me, and it was

27:24

this. The relationship

27:26

between a mother and daughter that ends

27:28

in murder is usually

27:30

marked by extreme hostility,

27:33

but also dependence. Two

27:36

people who need each other, but

27:39

one who wants to break free.

27:43

After Rachel's conviction, Ian Allen

27:46

was also found guilty of first degree

27:48

murder and sentenced to 25 years

27:50

to life. In

27:53

October 2022, after serving 16 years in prison, Rachel

27:55

Mullenix was released

28:00

on parole. We reached

28:03

out to Rachel's family who told

28:05

us she's doing well and

28:07

trying to move on with her life. I'm

28:11

Erin Moriarty and that's

28:14

my life of crime. This

28:17

podcast series is developed by 48 Hours

28:20

in partnership with CBS News Radio

28:22

and Paramount. Judy Tigard

28:25

is 48 Hours executive producer.

28:28

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28:30

podcast editorial at Paramount.

28:33

Production and editing for this season by

28:35

Caroline Casey, Annie Cronenberg,

28:38

Danny Levy, Megan Marcus, Chiara

28:41

Norbits and Alan Pang.

28:44

This episode was also produced by

28:46

Iris Sudo and Mike Valle of 48

28:49

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28:52

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