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This is a Global Player original

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Hello and welcome to the bonus

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episode of my therapist goes away with me, Bo

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Williams and Joanne McNally. Joanne McNally,

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your loss is always my gain. Oh,

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I lost my. Well, we don't really

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know what they are. I left the grotes

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that I wear at the end of my ankles in

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Vogue's room. They are like a furry slipper shoe

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from is it what are they called? Ninth level

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level nine tower nine tenth floor. Close

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tenth floor.

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Tower

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nine. Yeah. How

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did you get back to your room just in your little trotters?

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You're just your feet. You went up. You forgot your shoes.

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Just ran out my bare feet. It's

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amazing that she'd forget her shoes. It

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was only when I was standing in the lift barefoot

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and naked that I was like, where are my shoes? What

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have I done? What have I done? Where are my furry

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slipper shoes that I I wear around

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just to see people's reaction. I love them. It's

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like my

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clogs that everyone's likes that and that I didn't

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wear for a year because that woman through

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was such a filthy look and started laughing at me

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in a farmhouse, a random woman.

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So far, as I could see her face like curl

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up and then she just started laughing at

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my shoes. I thought I popped these away

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for a while.

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No, we don't. What?

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She's a key bag. It was like that times. Remember me

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and you and you and me and you,

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me and you and me and you and

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you.

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And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you

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and me and you and you were out for

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dinner and I was wearing. I'm not going to lie.

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It was it was a loud outfit. It was like

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a multi-colored leopard print

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jacket with matching. They weren't actually matching.

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There were a yellow leopard print flare.

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And like she literally I didn't know a

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nose could curl her nose, curled

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up in disgust. I

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know we're by women supporting women, but the second one of them

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curls their nose up, but it's like,

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no, no, no.

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No, no, no. It's Joe's birthday

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tomorrow. Happy birthday, Joe. I

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heard. It will have been in gone. He

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went on the absolute, the absolute

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piss last night. And I have to drive home with him tonight.

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We're driving home from Cardiff after the show. Perfectly

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legally and perfectly safely, can I say, because

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that was last night. That's tonight different. And

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Joe, when you drive with

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Joe, it's my second time driving with him now. His

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car is like, it's basically like sitting

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in business class. As he goes the full way back,

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Joe doesn't try to talk to you.

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He does play the worst

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music. And I just, I just put my

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headphones in. I said, you know what? It's his car. He

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can do what he likes. I'm not going to get involved, but like

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shocking. And I said to you, you can

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listen to whatever you want. And you said you're absolutely

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fine with your classic rock radio

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station. Is what you said. You insisted on

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the darkness album that you played on repeat.

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Is that what they're called? The darkness. Just

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read the two.

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Oh my God. Yes. I didn't even notice that.

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You're obsessed with the darkness. I'm

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upset about something. Go

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on. I've missed my chance with

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Harry Styles. Yeah. What is

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he banging now? Listen, I say this every

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time he's buying it. So many of his bangin says he's

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been buying a new people for the last 30 years. Joanne.

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Joanne. He is

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in Dublin tonight. I could have gone to Slaine

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casually bumped into him and been like,

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right. Harry,

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come on. Let's go. Come, come

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with mummy. Come to mama. You're

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a bit out for him, I think. No, no. He likes

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older women. I know. But you're a bit too old.

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That's what that was my point. Oh, too old.

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Yeah. Yeah. We're aging positively. Anyway,

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Harry likes the older lady. I

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hate that word lady. That just makes you sound

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old. Do you know what? Jennifer Aniston,

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one of my one of my fays was she's

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bringing out some sports thing or something. So she's all out of the

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place at the moment. And she was saying one of her

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pet peeves, one of her most irritating

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sayings is you look well for your

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age. Yeah. And I was

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like, Jennifer, I could not agree more.

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You just look well. You just say

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you look great. You don't say you look well for your age

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because it's like you're getting away with something It's like you're tricking

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people or there's an oh, there's an upstairs

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It just an assumption that once you hit 35 or

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whatever age it is. It always changes depending on what

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age you are

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That you're like, oh god, it's kind of shocking. You

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don't look like shit. I know. Do you know what? What

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you will? I know

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but where do you know what? I swear and I'm

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not just making this up I feel very

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comfortable in the age that I'm at now.

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Like I don't want to be in my 20s I've

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done my 20s. I enjoyed my

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20s and I actually feel very comfortable I

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never thought I would feel so comfortable at this

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age, but I do I

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I'm 40 now.

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What age are you vote? Are you 38? 37 38 in October? I'm

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happy about it though. I am I feel like I'm in a

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good spot Yeah,

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I think that was what I was saying.

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It was like That

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we don't like we don't lie about it. You don't

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fudge our age. We're proud And

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also we're fucking young like this at Jennifer's

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at a different stage because she's what is she Joe? Can you check

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I was doing I was doing a TV show

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with that with this different when you're with different when you're

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under 40 Like you're near like I feel good about my age

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or even 40

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I feel good about my age, but she feels like

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she's literally coming to the end of her Hollywood chapter 54

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She's 54. So I think she's hitting

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your 50s is a different beast again, then

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it's like Oh now you're really getting

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away with something Do you know what I mean? What

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I will say like I know when

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somebody very close to me turned 70 not my

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mom someone else They cried before

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the 70th but they only because they were there they're

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starting to get scared Like that that

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time is coming closer

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to an end and I can understand that

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But like I was I did a radio show Sorry today

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with them with a 90 year old

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woman who is on tour selling

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her fifth book. She's doing all these

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book talks She's an actress. She

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is like So intelligent

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she was she's so glamorous.

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She was really really cool Yeah,

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you see it's always up. It's always always tell you when you meet women

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like that, you're like, you can kind of look up to. Yeah.

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Or just look at and be like, wow, they're doing

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a really good job of just being alive.

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And yeah, she did say we

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were successful at being cool and just enjoying

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their fucking lives. You know, she was

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saying though, she was like, because we were talking

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about like best friends and so she was like, well, most

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of my friends are dead. I was like, Oh God,

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Oh no, please don't start this with

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me.

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There's a woman on Insta

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and I still to this day, I don't know if she's

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real or fake. Let me try and

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find her.

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Grandma Droniak. I'm probably not

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pronouncing that correctly. Grandma Droniak.

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She's, I'm a celebrity. This is her

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bio. She's 1.3 million

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followers. Her bio is I'm a celebrity and a 93 year

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old grandma. Yes, I can be her grandma too. Contact

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Kevin Droniak for business inquiries, but her

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videos are like,

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get ready with me for the grave.

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She's like, put on makeup

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and everything. Like I honestly, like

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Grandma Droniak, I don't mean to upset

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you, but I can't tell if she's, if

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she, if I don't, I don't know. I

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don't speak out of term, but I can't tell if she's,

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if she knows exactly what she's doing

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or not. Oh my God. I'm following

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her right now. I don't mean to insult her, but she's

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gas is all I would say. She's amazing. I

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just see a picture of, she's

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pulling a knife out of her bag and one of the things,

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what the hell? Oh yeah.

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Here's what's in my bag. Stop asking

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a calculator. She's like, I've

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been seeing it for decades. I think that's why it

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looks

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so good. So she takes Tik TOK trends

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and then she kind of acts them out on her own page. And

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she films herself dancing and just screaming,

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slay queen slay. She

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remember Irish Apple, like she's still

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alive, but like she did a collab with H&M. She

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has her own like rug range and she

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is so cool. Like

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I like, and I think she's in her nineties as well.

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She's amazing.

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See, she's actually, I would say she's cooler

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than us. We need more women like that. They're

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out there. I just need to find them. I was reading an article

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the other day about, it was talking about the importance of intergenerational

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friendships for women.

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women. So different women being friends

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with different generations was, which is what

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Vogue thinks me and her are, but genuinely,

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genuinely intergenerational friendships.

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I was like, I don't have any

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female friends in their sixties, like I've my mom

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and her sisters and stuff, but it's not the same thing.

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Do you know what I mean? I'm not like best friends

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with, you see, women, significantly

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younger women, significantly older. And I feel like I'm lacking

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that a bit. I feel like I, uh, like auntie

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Jean is one of my best friends. She comes

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on all of our holidays with us. Uh,

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my auntie, yeah, you have Gina.

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Yeah, you do. Naomi is one of my really good friends.

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I would speak to her a lot. She's my auntie. Anyway, I just

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think, I think that that's why people have mentors in

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certain industries so they can enjoy

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the wisdom of people who've been around longer

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than them. And I'd love it in friendships. I'd

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actually love, I'd love, I'd love a female mentor.

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A female mentor. I

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have a male one. Des Bishop

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is kind of my male mentor. Really.

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Okay. I know what you're asking here. I would

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like to, I will

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be your female mentor.

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Thank you so much. Sorry.

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So Dame, it was Dame

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Sheila Hancock who was 90. She would be

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an amazing mentor if you got, do you

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know her job?

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Yeah, she's an icon. She can be yours.

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Yeah. I love, I would

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love, um, I mean, John Rivers of the ideal

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mentor, sadly, I know, sadly those

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days are gone, but

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an older female comedian would be

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amazing. Yeah. Like

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who? You know, I don't know. Like I want

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the, I want the comedian from hacks, but

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she's not, she's fictional sadly. That won't really

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work. I know, but she would be ideal.

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I think she's kind of based on John Rivers, but anyone

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like, you know, like so much,

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I just want, I'd love to be in the, in the

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bosom of an older female performer.

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So Joanne is beauty garland,

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that kind of thing. Okay. Yeah. You're going for all the dead ones

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though. Not helpful. Mother

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of God, I'm ahead of my time. No,

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I'm behind my time. Will

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we do some listener emails? Sure.

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Okay. Bat Middler. I'd

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have that. Oh, she, yeah. Yeah. That

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was a share. Share.

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Share. I can't even share. Folk,

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Joanne, please help. Of

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course. I've got a massive fear at the moment and

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it's eating me alive. I'm going

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between being absolutely certain and then doubting

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myself wondering why I'm like this.

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Sounds like somebody I know. For the last two

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weeks, I've been getting this feeling that my boyfriend

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has a thing for my best friend.

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Oh no. I've

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been with him for a year or so and he's kind,

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loving and attentive. But we went out with all

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my friends a couple of weeks ago and my

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boyfriend spent a lot of the evening talking

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to my best friend.

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I didn't mind and I was glad to chat to

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everyone else. Since then, a few comments

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he's made of having thinking that he's got

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her on his mind. He said that she's really

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clever and

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they chatted about loads of stuff that

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don't interest me at all. He asked how

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long ago her relationship ended. I

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don't think that she's leading him on at all. I'm just sure

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it's all in his own mind, but I keep going over

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it. And even when we have sex, it just keeps

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flashing in my mind. Oh dear.

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Is my boyfriend going to shag my best friend in my

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life? Hell, no. No.

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Benny is obsessed with you on.

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I was just about to say, I don't want to

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embarrass Alan, but if he mentions

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Vogue one more time, I'm like, Alan,

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like it's, it never

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stops. When you come on the phone. What does

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Vogue think about that? What does Vogue think about that one? We

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have a fight. I bet you Vogue would agree with me.

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It's just constant. And you know on Insta when there's

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like, you know, the most watched

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people. It's usually, I'm

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the first video on Vogue's always his second video.

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He is bad in

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Vogue. Well, when I

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call you or if you're on the phone or something and Spenny

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hears your voice. The whole face lights

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up and he just looks everywhere for you. It's like a little dog.

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Very cute. Yeah. I think,

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do you know what I, do you know what I

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think it is? And this is probably sexist

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and stereotypical, but fuck it. We're in it now. Go

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on. We've never, we've never been one.

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We've never been one to ignore your stereotype. Don't

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shy away from the obvious. Is that

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men from my experience,

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don't attack me, don't have a lot

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of female friends. Yeah. They,

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when they get a woman in their life by default, which

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is usually

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through their girlfriend who they spend a lot of time

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with and they get on with, they

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have it like what we would call it. It's

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platonic, but they just are very,

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they just are kind of drawn to them because it's something

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new for them. They're allowed to spend time

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with this other woman. It's not sexual.

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They get to know each other, have a laugh. They

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get on, they

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have good conversations, but it's

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not, they're not going to ride. It's just

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a mutual appreciation. Yeah.

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Because like I say, they don't, men,

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well, the men that I know anyway,

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their friendships will be

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predominantly with other men. Yeah.

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That's all it is. I'm telling you now, that's all it is. Yeah.

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I would not be worried about that at all. And I kind of love that's Fenny

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likes you so much as a nice thing to have

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your boyfriend like your friends. It is. Because

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it's nice that Alan likes you too. I do. I do

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think it is nice. I tease him about it.

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Tell him I said I miss him. I

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will. Yeah. It's like,

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and sometimes- I can't

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get out of Alex Insta's store. She's just a good

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friend. I just really

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admire her. Well sometimes- Okay.

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When I'm tired, Joanne takes the reins with Speno and she's

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talking to me. I do. That's what

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friends do. Yes. And

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also you're like, A,

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it's not, it's not sexual

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on his part. Like I say, it's just a

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kind of a respect

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or it's a new interest. She's a bit of, she's

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got, there's a bit of novelty there because it's a new woman

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in his life, but it's not sexual. I

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would put my-

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well not my life, not my life. life

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realistic here I do

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think what you're saying is true because even spending with Amber

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like he's very close with her ambers a lesbian

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she's definitely not gonna go there and yeah

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it's not an amber ever I

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don't ever get on like a bloody house on

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fire oh my god he's like it's I'm gonna be there

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is I'm gonna do she's

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dead he's gonna is he gonna shoot me

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or amber he has to choose one he'd shoot amber wouldn't he

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he'd shoot amber yeah yeah okay that's okay one

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sata yeah that's cuz at least he can maybe

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hook up with you do you know what I mean you know

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you know what I mean so don't worry we

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don't don't think your best friend and

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your boyfriend are gonna get together I just be happy

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that they're friends

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exactly it's nice they get on yeah

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yeah cuz it's because it'd be worse if

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you one of those boyfriends who thinks all your friends are yeah

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and then you won't go anywhere and blah blah blah you

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know we've all had them yeah they're actually

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way worse they are rather

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Alan Road folk than wouldn't be a name to be honest

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it would make socializing way easier if they just did it behind

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my back and I didn't know and he was always just pleased to see

15:04

her like what

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I'm sad and be like I'm not going to folks they're like

15:09

fuck's sake

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folks everywhere with me come on come on

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we're joined that we have started morphing into each

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other we were going through the airport through the day same sunglasses

15:16

same handbag yeah I know

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that's cute and

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I'm cutting my hair into a blonde bob next week I'm

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not even joking yeah it's getting single

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white female no vote and who also

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to to top it all off someone

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lost their password and it wasn't me oh

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wow

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wow it's tell tells on me there I

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was like oh I was like oh my god she's

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like oh my god my password we were on the way to the airport to

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fly from Edinburgh to Carter oh my god I've got

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a password and I was like I'm so proud of you hi

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I was there look I

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was looking

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up trains it's gonna take me seven

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hours to get there on a train and then luckily

15:54

I had four bank cards I'm out of kite

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I counted 19 she whacked and she whipped

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at 19 Bank cards

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in the cage Even your man of the hive is,

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was like, whoa. It was just like, all

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these bank cards. I was like, please,

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it's me, it's me. Yeah, six

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grand in cash to say it over the wall. She's like, fuck.

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They later on. So I got on. I got on. I

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did get on, thankfully. I don't know how that happened,

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to be fair. I did have a copy of my driver's license

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and a copy of my passport, so. But

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because it was domestic. Mm, I don't

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think it matters. Let's not name the airline, just in case it

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was illegal. But they were very kind to us, and 12-0, and

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they later on, yeah.

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That's it for the bonus episode this week. We shall see

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you Friday. Yes. Thanks

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for watching. See you next week. Bye. Bye.