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and who can poo my

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time capture? I'm

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Mike Vinton Stevens, and my Time Capture is the

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podcast where people can refine things from their life

2:14

that they wish they had in a time capture.

2:17

They pick four things that they cherish, of course,

2:19

but they also pick one thing that they'd like

2:21

to get rid of from their life, something

2:24

they'd like to bury in the ground and

2:26

never think of again. And

2:28

I guess in this episode is the

2:30

comedian Esther Minito. Esther is

2:32

a British Lebanese comedian. In other

2:34

words, a comedian. She began performing

2:37

in 2016, and in that short

2:39

time, she became the first female

2:41

comedian to perform at the Dubai

2:43

Opera House. Her debut hour-long special,

2:45

Crusade, is now live on ITVX.

2:48

She's a regular on the stand-up sketch show. She's

2:51

been on Live at the Apollo. Her show,

2:53

Hashtag Not All Men, won Best Show at

2:55

the Leicester Comedy Festival in 2021. She

2:58

was a finalist in the So You

3:00

Think You're Funny competition, and the UK

3:02

tour of her latest show, Hell hath

3:04

No Fury, continues around the country until

3:06

May 2024. So

3:09

that's Esther, and I can say that

3:11

she's a daring, original performer who's really building

3:13

a reputation as one of the best comedians

3:16

in the country. So let's waste no more

3:18

time and find out about her, her life,

3:20

and the five things from it. She chooses

3:22

to keep safe in a time capsule. Or,

3:25

of course, very unforgettable. Here

3:27

is Esther Minito. I

3:33

was digging with Finn Taylor a

3:36

little while ago, and he was

3:38

so broken because he'd just had

3:40

his second. And

3:42

I was thinking, you're so broken, and

3:44

he's like, yeah, but at least I'm

3:47

here, and I'm not there.

3:49

Mm-hmm. Yes, I get that advice. I

3:51

would rather just have this break, even

3:53

if I die on my ass on

3:56

stage. I would rather that than just

3:58

do the hell out of it. hell

4:00

that is two

4:02

children under the age of two. It is

4:04

very full on. Isn't it just anybody

4:06

I've got to. So I remember it well.

4:08

It never leaves you. I saw

4:10

somebody the other day talking about the fact that the

4:12

only way they could get their child to sleep was

4:14

to jiggle it on their hip. And,

4:16

you know, my wife and I, so we're

4:19

both in our 60s, we

4:21

were talking to each other in the kitchen the

4:23

other day and we both stood there with one

4:25

hand on our hip bobbing up and down. It

4:27

never leaves you. It doesn't. You can't stand still

4:29

now. I notice it when when

4:32

you're standing talking to other mothers, you all

4:34

stand there and just rock side to side.

4:37

It's because it does something to you. It

4:40

does. You look back, I

4:42

was such raised into glasses because you sit there

4:44

and look back at photos when they're small and

4:46

you're like, oh, my God, it was just the

4:48

dillic. And you were just heaven. It was perfect.

4:50

And it was just and then

4:53

my dad interjected as I was just gushing

4:55

over this photo of my daughter when she

4:57

was little and he was like, all I

4:59

remember is you just going, this is horrible.

5:04

And I was like, oh, no, I didn't say that.

5:06

And he was like, you did you really do. He

5:09

had terrible tantrums as a toddler.

5:11

So we had this kind of

5:13

like real red, screamy toddler.

5:15

You know, when people would walk past in the street and

5:18

go, why don't you stop your baby crying? You

5:23

didn't punch them. That's the amazing thing. Yeah,

5:25

no, that didn't occur to me. Occasionally

5:28

you'd have somebody who'd be really helpful and they'd

5:30

be like, oh, I've got this. Can I help

5:32

distract her with this? Because they completely related

5:35

to you. And then other times you just

5:37

have somebody going, you need to

5:39

really like, you know, one

5:42

person said to me once, maybe she just needs a hug.

5:44

Oh, my God. I was like, yeah, no, I've never

5:47

hugged my child. I know, you know,

5:49

I just stand at a distance formally shaking

5:51

hands. Love doesn't help at all. Not with

5:53

children. No. It's violence. That's what

5:55

works with children. I was

5:57

like, I can't hug her right now. She's like a chimney.

6:00

Ryota. Say it! Is Not Not Up

6:02

Up Up Up Up Five. Remember my

6:04

daughter who know how it's in her

6:07

forties but you never forget it the

6:09

of but I remember her actually going

6:11

off on one that incredible warbler when

6:13

she was about two and a half

6:16

insane sprees Italy signs. My wife grabbed

6:18

her by the arm and then had

6:20

to drag around to the thing as

6:22

he screamed somebody recognizes and they said

6:25

the sensor services round or them. That's.

6:27

Really helpful to be sealed some of these

6:29

new she's asleep but you sit at all

6:31

this you should let have run run some

6:33

space. And use it of run

6:36

off to her and then just done that

6:38

for hours and hours and so syphilis, our

6:40

and anything less than that I'm afraid is

6:42

just appeared to be peace or is a

6:44

terrible bearer b I know. It's.

6:47

Incredible Moyes, my daughter, when she was

6:50

to see rocks up to that story

6:52

and and we don't know why we

6:54

got phone call from the. Ray. And they

6:56

said can you come in some A and I city and they said

6:58

if. It's a case come in on

7:00

your own mother. Okay so I came

7:02

in and they said your daughter has

7:04

come into nurseries day and said and

7:06

sometimes when my.com time if he's a

7:08

bit cross. He hits my mom. Of

7:12

time we have no idea why see

7:14

said s and I did the worst

7:17

possible thing that you could ever do

7:19

in that scenario. I doesn't taste because

7:21

by this point I had my son

7:23

who was like a few weeks old

7:25

man so I would sleep deprived and

7:27

I just didn't know how to respond

7:29

to that in any way. That would

7:32

be helpful so I just to

7:34

provide a know like oh wow.

7:36

oh wow i pay wow did you happen

7:39

to have a bruise of the time that

7:41

would have been really helpful what dot know

7:43

how to edit my husband does that look

7:45

at ill will find us i'll i'll say

7:47

it's it's the stereotype and yet we have

7:49

to be reported social services for them to

7:51

keep an eye on us for a while

7:53

so i silly a plane i was at

7:55

my daughter's the to why did he say

7:57

that i'm starting tonight i grew up decide

8:00

I was like, I don't know. She just went,

8:02

I know hitting's wrong. And I was cross with dad. So

8:04

I just wanted to say that he'd done something naughty. That's

8:08

brilliant. That's great. You should be proud of

8:10

it. But you would have

8:12

to six foot two white skinned. So

8:15

you pick the worst person. They're

8:18

all going to believe you. Absolutely. Look out

8:20

of place at the Cenotaph. Let's just put it that

8:22

way. Do

8:25

you know the thing I remember about that time is

8:28

that you sort of pride

8:30

yourself, don't you? Because it's your job

8:32

on your ability to think of things

8:34

quickly and to respond to things in

8:36

a witty way. Yeah. And I remember

8:39

pushing both my children in a double buggy. And

8:41

a man came around the corner with a briefcase

8:43

and he wasn't watching where he was going and

8:46

he bashed the children with his

8:48

briefcase. And then he turned to

8:50

me and said, watch where you're going. And

8:53

you know what I said to this? I'm really

8:55

proud of this. I said, fuck off. Which

8:59

I think sums up perfectly. Yeah, that

9:01

was exactly what was needed at that

9:03

moment. The annoyance children brings

9:05

to the British public is is incredible. You

9:08

go anywhere else and they're like, you can

9:10

go to a restaurant or a cafe and

9:12

waiters like, you know, rubbing your kids hair

9:14

and, you know, just like, you know, welcome

9:16

children, children are the foundation of the future.

9:19

They're everything. And in Britain, people are just

9:21

like, do you have to breed gum?

9:23

And you're like, oh, it's

9:26

true, isn't it? Do you have to use

9:28

public transport? Can you not just

9:30

shuffle about in underground tunnels? I

9:33

think vermin you are and you're like, OK.

9:36

Just keep them locked up until they're 17 or 18. They

9:39

can do it. I took my

9:41

daughter and me and a friend, we

9:43

went with our girls to a cafe and her

9:45

daughter and my daughter, they were like 18 months at

9:47

the time and they sat at the table next to

9:50

us and they were like pretending to be ladies having

9:52

tea and this group of older

9:54

people was so angry. But

9:57

these children, they were so angry.

10:00

they were going, look at them there, look at them there

10:02

laughing, just laughing, ruining our

10:04

day. And I

10:06

ended up just losing it. And I

10:09

said, if children laughing has ruined your

10:11

day, you have the most miserable existence

10:14

ever. The miserable bastards.

10:16

Because all parents have that, don't they? You

10:19

see it time and time again, people on the

10:21

train, particularly in school holidays, taking their kids up

10:23

to London, other kids are talking to each other.

10:25

And without fail, a parent will

10:27

turn to me as an

10:30

older man and go, I'm so sorry,

10:32

they're excited. And you go, I don't

10:34

mind. I don't mind children having a

10:36

lovely time. What's wrong with that? I know. I know

10:39

because there would be somebody who's fuming, maybe

10:42

outside of London, people are a bit

10:44

more happy about kids. Maybe. Yeah.

10:47

And then they say about other countries, though, you know, I remember going to Greece, and

10:50

then our children, we loved

10:52

it, we almost moved there because every

10:54

time we went to a restaurant, the children would

10:56

disappear. Yeah, I remember going to Greece with my

10:58

daughter. For some reason, I think it was a

11:00

bit of a breakdown. I just decided to go

11:02

island hopping with my daughter. Brilliant,

11:05

how old was she? She was like 10 months.

11:07

And I was like, right, we're going. That's it.

11:09

We packed our bags. I don't know

11:11

what it was. I was just like, you know, I just

11:13

need to get out of being sat in this house with

11:15

a baby. And we just need to go

11:17

and do something. And it was absolutely heavenly.

11:19

But what made it lovely is just everyone the moment

11:21

they saw your mother with a baby. But I

11:24

did at some point think, do they

11:27

think that we're kind of like on

11:29

the run or that I don't

11:31

know how to look after my baby? Because people would keep

11:33

like I was renting these like apartments and people would like

11:35

knock on the doors going, we blew your eggs for the

11:37

baby. And I was like, no, I know. She's

11:39

got food. We

11:43

tell no one. No one. Don't

11:46

worry, violent father, word spray. And

11:51

then your husband turned up. And

11:53

they went, we were right. And met all the

11:55

stereotypes. And it all confirmed. Yeah. Yeah. Do you

11:57

live near Millwall? No, I don't. I've

12:00

just wondered why that came into your head. I

12:02

think it's because I've always had the stereotype of millwall fans.

12:05

I tell you what it was, is I used

12:07

to be a teacher back in the day and the

12:10

kids that I taught in East

12:12

London were majoritivly black and Asian and I

12:15

remember one of the lads really made me

12:17

laugh because he went, you always know a

12:19

millwall fan because they're always the

12:21

racist football fans that when they beat you up

12:23

you know their name because they've always got it

12:25

tattooed across their knuckles. And

12:28

so that image kind of

12:30

stayed in my head. But

12:32

they can't understand why they're being convicted all the time.

12:37

How did you know that? How did you

12:39

know it was me? I'm East London. But

12:42

you've not been doing stand up for that long

12:45

really have you? And yet you are fantastically skillful

12:47

at it I have to say. Oh thank you,

12:49

it's very kind of you to say. No, no,

12:51

you do it in such a relaxed way. Oh

12:53

well, thank you. I'm

12:56

really at ease at taking compliments by the

12:58

way. Good. Yeah, really. I'm

13:02

the type of person that when I was younger, if a

13:04

boy said he liked me, I'd be like, shut up and

13:06

go away. I hate your face. Yeah, I mean,

13:08

I think, I don't know. Yeah, I've

13:11

been going since 2016. Yeah,

13:13

not long. Not a huge amount of time, no. No.

13:16

I mean, it feels long nowadays because nowadays comedians

13:18

are all, they're getting younger and younger aren't they?

13:20

So they're like, oh my god, I've been going

13:22

ages. I've been going like seven days and I

13:24

was born last week.

13:26

I've not done live at the Apollo yet. But you

13:29

have done all those things. You have done live at

13:31

the Apollo, you have done all the big gigs and

13:33

now you're doing your own tour, which is, it's

13:36

a fantastic thing to do that in what,

13:38

seven years, eight years. Yeah, it

13:40

will be eight years in April

13:42

and it's been, yeah, it's been

13:44

a real whirlwind. And sometimes it's

13:47

very easy to get complacent, I think. And then

13:49

other times you're just like, oh yeah, do you

13:51

remember when I was like working as a teacher

13:54

and like, that's graft, that's proper graft. And I

13:56

was like, I would do anything. I was just

13:58

like, oh, is there anyone? I can get

14:00

out of this. So now you're like moaning because I

14:02

don't know, 10 minutes of new

14:05

material. You're like, Oh my God, I don't want

14:07

to, it's really hard. Oh, no one wants to

14:09

go all the way to Coventry to do it.

14:12

Let all of them back again. I

14:14

know. So it's very easy to get

14:16

complacent. But no, I'm I really appreciate

14:18

it. It's been a real roller coaster,

14:20

but it's been absolutely lovely to do.

14:22

And above all of that, I mean,

14:24

like the Apollo was obviously an incredible

14:26

experience. But doing my

14:28

tour has been so

14:31

lovely. I've enjoyed it so

14:33

much. I never ever I heard other people

14:35

talk about how lovely it is to find

14:37

your own plan and, you know, preaching

14:40

to the choir and, you know, they're

14:42

really on board with it. And it's

14:44

been absolutely lovely. It's been really, really

14:46

lovely. I've got to meet a lot

14:48

of very drunk mums and I'm very,

14:50

I'm very much here for it. Perfect.

14:53

But I'm always amazed when they show shots

14:56

of the audience with you, just

14:58

how embarrassed men get by some of the

15:00

things you say. Yeah. It's astonishing, isn't it?

15:03

Yeah, especially it's so funny because somebody said to me

15:05

once, they said, we'd love to book you, but

15:07

we can't because of all the stuff you

15:09

do about sex. And I said, I mean,

15:12

I've been married 17 years, I

15:14

have nothing to say about sex. Also,

15:18

it's not my style. And they said, no, no, you

15:21

do. Do a lot of sexual

15:23

stuff because you're talking about the female body,

15:25

maybe. Well, do you

15:27

know, I don't think they'd even heard me do that

15:29

routine. And I, I got into this

15:31

very awkward conversation as just somebody going, you

15:33

do. And me going, could

15:35

you tell me what it is? And

15:40

eventually, after a lot of awkward back and forth

15:42

of them going, you know, that, you

15:44

know, where you and I realized it is

15:46

a talking in a graphic way about your

15:49

own body and your body being

15:51

hairy or things like that. And

15:53

also swearing that in their mind, they've

15:55

just gone, oh, she swears and

15:57

she's got an S6 accent. Oh, she's crude and.

16:00

and crass. And it's so funny because

16:02

I remember when I was a kid,

16:04

my mother's parents, they

16:06

were very much like working class, very

16:09

conventional in their roles, gender

16:11

roles. And I remember my grandmother, she would

16:13

just be like, I hate that Victoria Wood,

16:15

she's so dirty. And I remember even as

16:18

a kid going, but you would watch Benny

16:20

Hill. And I would watch

16:22

Victoria Wood with my parents and I'd

16:24

just be sitting there going, when does

16:26

she does the dirty stuff then? Maybe there's a later

16:29

show where she does the dirty stuff. I don't

16:31

know, maybe it's being open. Maybe it's just actually

16:33

talking about it. And it would be because Victoria

16:35

Wood would say something like, a sexual

16:38

innuendo. She'd do that

16:40

song, Let's Do It, and then have all

16:42

the references to comparing that to Let's Do

16:44

The DIY and then We'll Do It. And marital

16:47

sex, but in this long, drawn out, unsexy

16:49

way. And in my grandmother's

16:52

head, she's just like, well, a woman. And we've still got

16:54

that subconscious of

16:56

like, it's inappropriate. Whereas men can

16:58

stand up and do whole routines about

17:00

their body and about their sex life.

17:03

Oh, they really can. And it's

17:05

really okay. But what's lovely is that all the

17:07

men, I had a group of lads

17:09

that came to my show. And at the end,

17:12

they came up to me and I was thinking,

17:14

why are you here? And

17:16

they had been sent by their girlfriends because

17:18

their girlfriends had seen a previous show. Right.

17:21

And so they said, go to this show. And they

17:23

said, we've been sent and we've had a

17:26

lovely time. And it's

17:28

been very eye opening. So I do think I kind

17:30

of went over a lot of the blokes that come

17:32

to show. And I think a lot of men who

17:34

are in long term relationships or dads, definitely

17:36

towards the latter end of my show, I

17:38

talk a lot about dads and I think

17:41

a lot of blokes really kind of get

17:43

on board with it. So it has been

17:45

lovely to see all these men sit there

17:47

going, oh, God, and then kind of get

17:49

on board and come up afterwards. Yeah.

17:52

Well, it's not really an attack on

17:55

men. What you do. It's not. It's

17:57

just pointing out the absurdity of it,

17:59

the absurdity. Men can behave a certain

18:01

way women can't and now we know this. fifty

18:03

one percent in a you say will have a

18:05

vote on it for also in this I just

18:07

talking about how much we patronize Dad. yeah. All.

18:09

The time it's like he's not fool them

18:11

do something about sums up the people cops

18:14

main So my goal is you know your

18:16

husband so good you know looking after the

18:18

children while you're out a non life for

18:20

for people to the may know what you're

18:22

talking about less than a piece of had

18:24

i'm and less than with. A high

18:26

Nana Dogs denominated by it's a

18:28

be a good kids to bed.

18:30

He's. Not a child, but they

18:33

raise this kind of constant incentivize.

18:35

Ice isn't of. Blake's which. And.

18:37

away serves and laziness.

18:39

Switch you know had worked out to

18:42

advantage and a lot of member or

18:44

science committee disadvantage them because it really

18:46

patronized this them. Are you know

18:48

not not costs on either one? I'm I'm

18:50

not looking after him to least. Sixty.

18:53

Five and still think him his baby. It's

18:55

not gonna happen. Though haven't to do is

18:57

watching him to cook for him. I mean

18:59

I say that I thought up on the

19:01

lawn and every drop I will burn London

19:03

down. To

19:06

the complicated tons of it as the

19:08

orchards, the so well written and so

19:10

clever. I mean just that kind of

19:12

you talking about your pubic hair and

19:14

then you say is our control of

19:17

you lot and I'm wearing tights I

19:19

love that just just a picture that

19:21

it creates in a couple of words

19:23

is just beautiful of like to a

19:25

date of that was it's fantastic. So.

19:28

Anyway, we should move up. We should

19:30

talk about things that you've chosen to

19:33

put into a time capsule Mrs Want

19:35

This is about yes I have got

19:37

must follow the I want yeah, hawthorne

19:39

and then my one the I say

19:42

yes sir my first thing is an

19:44

eyebrow time a right to got very

19:46

nice eyebrows exactly and I want this.

19:48

This is something that sit for ever

19:51

be remembered as the eyebrow came as

19:53

it is an absolute lightsaber Some women

19:55

with big eyebrows and it is. I.

19:58

Can't go anywhere without set. I love

20:00

my eyebrow comb. Do they go wild

20:02

if you don't comb? They go a bit wild

20:04

but it just makes them look so cute, it

20:06

just makes the shape better. I

20:09

know this is a very kind of like vapid

20:12

item to choose but it's been a real lifesaver,

20:14

the old like eyebrow comb. Yes, I

20:16

have fairly wild eyebrows and I'm at

20:19

the point now where I almost have

20:21

to trim them every day. Wow. Otherwise

20:23

I would turn into one of those

20:26

sort of mad professors. Yes, it

20:28

is mental isn't it? The way that why

20:31

is it that your hair starts to

20:33

go from some areas and increase in others?

20:36

I've got bald patches on my legs, bald

20:38

patches on my legs. It's on your legs

20:40

but your eyebrows get bigger. Yeah. Isn't it

20:42

funny? And my ear hair, let's not talk

20:45

about that Esther. And women

20:47

as they get older they end up shaving pretty much

20:49

from their elbow to their hip bone, their armpit hair

20:51

just goes out of control. What's

20:55

your view then on the idea that where

20:57

does that sort of come from that women

20:59

should remove hair? I

21:02

do kind of get it. I get that there's the

21:04

kind of feeling that it will be cleaner and all

21:06

the rest of it. That said,

21:09

I think the moment anything becomes

21:11

a job that's

21:13

when it becomes problematic. Yeah. Because I

21:15

think now women feel that they

21:17

have to do certain things and it becomes

21:19

really full on, really full time, the kind

21:22

of maintenance. To a large extent

21:24

that's led by the opinion of men. Or

21:26

is it pressure from kids? Yeah, maybe it

21:28

is just the sexualization. There's also that thing

21:30

of keeping a woman looking quite young,

21:32

softer, gentler, all of that, which

21:36

I find a bit kind of problematic. I think

21:38

the body hair is coming back though now, isn't

21:40

it? I mean, I remember when I was

21:42

a teenager in the 90s and it was

21:44

that razor thin eyebrows and I literally had

21:46

to spend my days just plucking and plucking

21:48

and plucking and plucking my eyebrows. And

21:51

then the moment the big eyebrow came back in, I

21:53

was like, oh, thank God. I

21:56

can grow it all back out again. Well, you're lucky you

21:58

can, because some people did that. nothing

22:00

grew back. I know. So

22:02

many people have said that to me, they plucked

22:05

it all out and then they lost their eyebrows.

22:07

Forever, I have to paint them in. I know.

22:09

It's awful. Awful, really? What

22:12

was that about? It was the trend, wasn't it?

22:14

It was a real 90s trend of like Jennifer Aniston

22:16

and Drew Barrymore and all these

22:18

actresses just had these razor thin

22:20

eyebrows and this straight layered hair.

22:23

And then we've kind

22:25

of just gone the other way. So now

22:27

women are now getting their eyebrows tattooed and

22:29

all sorts of things to make them look

22:31

bigger. And it's just when there's a trend

22:33

of beauty, it always has a group of

22:36

people that then have to amend what they've

22:38

got naturally to fit in. And it would be

22:40

so nice. Which is kind of happening. I mean, you see

22:42

it in a lot of the body products, adverts, they've

22:44

got like different shapes, different skin tones,

22:47

you know, which is great, different hair

22:49

color. So it is becoming a

22:51

little bit more, you know, exceptional difference. But when

22:53

there are kind of trends with things like hair,

22:56

they always have somebody at a disadvantage. Always.

22:59

Yes. When I was young, the trend was,

23:02

so I was young in the

23:04

1970s. So the trend was to look like

23:06

one of those glam rock band people. And

23:08

they all had their hair curled under. You'd

23:10

have a circular brush and you would have

23:12

to try and curl your hair under the

23:14

hours I spent trying to get my hair

23:16

to go under. And of course, I had

23:19

friends who just would come in, do that.

23:21

And there it was for the night. It's

23:24

so difficult when you can't fit a trend, isn't

23:26

it? You just can't fit in. Yeah, it is.

23:28

It's a real nightmare. But you're proud of

23:30

your eyebrows. That's the thing. So get

23:32

the comb on it. They look gorgeous.

23:34

Thank you very much. Yes, they've taken

23:36

many years to accept. I'm very proud.

23:38

But I've come to

23:40

accept them. So yeah, my eyebrow comb would

23:43

go in the time capsule, for sure. Okay,

23:45

lovely. That's the first thing then, isn't it?

23:48

The first thing. So what's number two? Okay,

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Welcome. Back brightness, Get back to estimate

25:43

to at the thing she once in a

25:46

time capsule. Come on. We spent far too

25:48

much time talking about other things. So let's

25:50

get to the core of this post or

25:52

should we would meet him Tests are you

25:54

know interesting soul mates? Number

25:58

Two is elves. greatest

26:00

hits. Now

26:03

are you excited by the fact that they're

26:05

recreating Elvis as a hologram and are going

26:08

to put a show on in London? I

26:10

am very excited about that. I

26:13

am so excited about that. How long has

26:15

this obsession gone on from? Oh, ever since

26:17

I was a kid. I've always

26:19

loved Elvis. Always, always,

26:21

always loved Elvis. I went to watch

26:23

Elvis film. I thought, what's

26:25

his name? Singy Butler. Oh

26:27

yeah. I thought he was good. He

26:29

was good, I thought. But

26:32

still, no one can come close. Particularly that

26:34

young Elvis who was just astonishingly beautiful. We

26:36

went to see it, me and my husband,

26:38

the film and every time they showed footage

26:40

of Elvis as a young man, my husband

26:42

was like, I never realized how handsome he

26:45

was. No. I was like, it is insane.

26:47

He could be a woman and he

26:49

would have been beautiful, a man handsome.

26:51

He just had the most beautiful eyes

26:53

and most beautiful smile and such a

26:55

killer voice. They even showed at

26:57

the end of the film, they showed the last time that

26:59

he ever sang live, unshamed

27:02

melody. And you know, I always

27:05

thought he'd be in his seventies when he

27:07

died, but he wasn't. He was in his

27:09

forties, but he had the look, didn't he?

27:11

Because he had aged so much and he's

27:13

doddering and he can't breathe properly. Yet he

27:15

still manages to whack out a

27:17

song was just like pure. I was

27:20

like, how? That's like trying to sing when

27:22

you're drunk. How have you done that? Yeah,

27:24

I think if you'd been born in Italy

27:26

or somewhere else, he would have been immediately

27:29

spotted as a potential opera singer. Yeah. Because

27:31

he had that natural body to his voice.

27:33

Yeah. And the fact that he mixed a

27:35

lot of soul music with country music and

27:37

I'm quite into country music. I

27:40

do like their country and I

27:42

do like year old school 60 souls.

27:44

So it always appealed to me Elvis

27:46

and I, whenever I go for a

27:48

run, I'll always have a bit of Elvis on my

27:50

playlist. It's absolutely hilarious. He's like, how

27:52

do you run to Elvis? And I'm like, I love

27:55

it. I absolutely love it. Yeah, I can

27:57

understand the rock and roll stuff. But that's the

27:59

thing, of course, isn't it? there is an enormous

28:01

choice there because he started off as this

28:03

very rock and roll. I mean, it just, it

28:06

was sinful, wasn't it? That's what most people

28:08

in America thought of him when his appearance

28:11

on the Ed Sullivan show, where he was

28:13

told you can't do that wiggling the hip

28:15

things. And then he did it. And

28:18

the place goes wild. I don't know if you've

28:20

ever seen the footage of it. It's just amazing.

28:22

And that's in the mid fifties. Yeah, no wonder

28:24

they put him in the army. I know. So

28:27

I would always

28:29

want his hits to be remembered. If

28:32

you had to pick one, what would it be? Either

28:37

Unchained Melody or

28:39

If I Can Dream. I love

28:41

that song. Beautiful. I would

28:43

love to have seen those Las Vegas shows

28:46

where you see him as in that great

28:48

big white suit with all the rhinestones on

28:50

it, particularly when he first did it. And

28:52

he had such energy. And those songs where

28:54

he would wind the thing up to the

28:56

point where it was like a sort of

28:58

like a step class or something, you know,

29:00

that he just went mad at the end.

29:03

And to think as all that he was kind of imprisoned there,

29:05

really. It's funny, isn't

29:07

it? It's just a story that

29:09

keeps happening. Like you see so many

29:12

similarities between him and Amy Winehouse. Yeah.

29:14

And you're just like real talent,

29:16

like Amy's voice. I'm sorry. But

29:19

oh, that girl could sing. And when we

29:21

went to watch the documentary about her, I

29:23

just was like, again, just

29:26

been really restrained and controlled

29:28

and such a young

29:31

person. My wife went to see the Isley

29:33

Brothers years ago. And Amy Winehouse

29:35

as a young girl was supporting them.

29:38

She knew nothing about her at all.

29:40

And she said that she completely stole

29:42

the shows. Such a soulful voice. Incredible.

29:45

Such a tiny thing as well. But Elvis,

29:47

I like the songs where he goes really

29:49

gentle, you know, love me tender and things

29:51

like that. Just I love, love me tender.

29:54

Wonder of you. Wonder of you. Yeah.

29:56

But I remember like when I was the kid

29:58

going with my granddad to the

30:00

club, who'd always be going to the club. And

30:03

we used to get like, all the old blokes would

30:05

give us like quid teach and stuff. And we

30:08

just used to stand at the jukebox. And because it

30:10

was songs for my granddad's

30:12

generation, you literally were choosing

30:14

between Patsy Cline and Elvis and Doris Day. But

30:16

it would just be like, this is just my

30:18

job. So I'd just be putting on Elvis over

30:21

and over and over again. And the bloke behind

30:23

the bar just going, do I have to listen

30:26

to Jell House Rock again? I

30:29

always feel for the backing singers in

30:31

the Wonder of You because when it starts off,

30:33

you think, no

30:35

one else could understand me. It

30:38

just keeps going up. Don't

30:47

go any higher. And of

30:49

course he does. Yeah, of

30:51

course. I definitely want Elvis.

30:53

My third item would

30:55

be due to my love of Indian

30:57

food would be my Dushoom cookbook. Oh,

30:59

right. What's that? Have you been to

31:02

Dushoom? No, I haven't. It's a

31:04

chain of, so me and my husband, we

31:06

lived in India before we had kids. And

31:08

Dushoom is a chain of restaurants in London,

31:10

I think it's about four or five in

31:13

London. And they do the

31:15

food that you would get when you

31:18

were living in India. Like it just

31:20

feels really authentic. And so for Christmas,

31:22

a couple of years ago, my husband

31:24

got me the Dushoom cookbook. And I

31:27

cook a lot from it. And I think

31:29

Indian food is my favourite food. I

31:32

could eat it day in, day out. I absolutely love

31:34

it. And I love Dushoom the restaurant. And

31:36

the cookbook is absolutely brilliant. And

31:39

so that would be something I would definitely want to pass

31:41

on. I like the fact that

31:43

so many of the dishes contain no meat

31:46

at all. And the vegetarian dishes are

31:48

just so full of flavour. And they're

31:50

fantastic. Yeah, I spent all day yesterday,

31:52

I was cooking from it yesterday. And

31:54

the thing is, a lot of it is just soaking stuff

31:56

and cooking things for a long period of time. So

31:58

the actual kind of stuff. of prep time is like

32:01

five to ten minutes but as long

32:03

as you're okay to just leave something on the

32:05

hob for five hours but I did black dal

32:07

yesterday which is so good. So good. So good.

32:11

Actually sausage and mash for the kids though because

32:14

they're like no I'm not having no not eating

32:16

lentils. No my son once said to

32:18

me when I hate going to our mates house

32:20

because they make loads of

32:22

foreign food and I was thinking that's unusual

32:25

because they don't seem like a

32:27

family that make a lot of.

32:29

So I said what do you mean? He

32:31

was just like oh they're always making you

32:34

know like pies and shepherd's pies and sausage

32:36

and mash and toad in the hole and

32:38

I said that's not foreign food.

32:40

He was like yeah no I just wish

32:42

it was like you know English food like

32:45

what we have here you know like curries

32:47

and custa and I was like okay no

32:49

you're very good. Yeah so

32:52

do you cook Lebanese food at all then? I

32:54

do cook Lebanese food yeah I mean I do

32:56

love Lebanese food but I grew up with Lebanese

32:58

food. I definitely came to Indian food a lot

33:00

later but we cook a lot of Lebanese food

33:02

and my kids my daughter not so

33:05

much she never really ate a lot of Lebanese

33:07

food she was never really into it. My son ate from

33:10

a very young age she ate a lot

33:12

of Lebanese food and he definitely has the

33:15

tendency to eat a lot more so when

33:17

we make like kafteh meat and salads

33:19

and hummus and stuff he will eat that

33:21

happily whereas my daughter will eat it but

33:23

begrudging me. Her idea of wahae is like

33:26

chicken kaff and chips. From the freezer yes.

33:28

From the freezer yes. It's

33:30

quite you can see which one spent

33:33

a lot more time with my husband's parents

33:35

growing up and which one spent a lot

33:37

more time with my dad growing up. Yeah

33:39

and it has definitely shaped their colour. I've

33:44

got two grandchildren who last Christmas

33:46

just before Christmas day decided they

33:48

were going to go vegetarian and

33:50

they've done it for a year and then this

33:53

Christmas day they decided we're going to go

33:55

back again. Right. I mean it's interesting because

33:57

one of them has sort of gone back

33:59

has tried a little bit of

34:01

meat but doesn't really want to. My

34:04

grandson has gone back, like he'd never

34:06

eaten meat before. It's the most amazing

34:08

thing he's discovered, it's become carnivore. Amazing,

34:10

isn't it? It is. It's

34:13

funny what shapes them and what shapes their palate. My

34:16

daughter's friend, she was saying, I'm pescatarian and what

34:18

it essentially came down to is I only eat

34:20

fish fingers. I was like, okay, well that's not

34:22

pescatarian. That's

34:24

just lovely. I

34:27

just need the fish in these rectangle

34:29

shapes and covered in orange stuff.

34:33

I'm a little bit dairy intolerant. A little

34:36

bit dairy intolerant. That's good. Well,

34:38

I'm very fussiness intolerant. I

34:42

know, it's a nightmare now. When kids

34:44

come over to have dinner, you're just

34:46

like, what do I give

34:48

them? It's about 12 different intolerances

34:50

going. Yeah, I'm not denigrating them

34:52

because to be in that situation

34:54

is awful when actually you have

34:56

to watch your diet. My daughter-in-law

34:59

is celiac. It's really serious.

35:01

Well, I'm not celiac, but I'm gluten intolerant.

35:03

When I cut gluten out of my diet,

35:06

the changes was just unbelievable.

35:08

I was like, oh my God, I

35:10

cannot believe that I've just spent my

35:12

whole life just feeling quite annoyed by

35:14

people with intolerances. Then when I cut

35:16

gluten out, I was like, oh

35:18

wow, I feel so much better. I've really been

35:20

made to learn my lesson. All right, well let's

35:23

put that fantastic cookbook in. That's number three. Yes,

35:25

that's number three. Then number four would

35:28

be my favorite film ever, which

35:31

is The Sting with Paul

35:34

Newman and Robert Redford. Oh, don't

35:36

they look beautiful in it? They

35:39

do look beautiful. The

35:41

music is incredible. The

35:45

music for that film is so

35:47

good. The costumes are brilliant. The

35:50

storyline is amazing and the acting

35:52

is superb and it is my

35:55

favorite film. That is my proper

35:58

rundown, really exciting. because

36:00

my husband's taken the kids out for the

36:02

day, Sunday afternoon, sit on the sofa, cup

36:04

of tea, big old bar of chocolate. It's

36:07

such a good film. I haven't watched it

36:09

for years, but I do remember it in

36:11

enormous detail, which I always think is an

36:13

example of something being a good film that

36:16

I remember a lot about it.

36:18

I remember all my mates when I was

36:20

younger and they would be like, oh, their

36:22

favourite films, because I hated fantasy. I hated

36:25

it. So a lot of the films that

36:27

were really popular was

36:29

Labyrinth, Return to Oz, Never Ending

36:32

Story. And I hated them. I

36:34

absolutely hated them. And

36:36

I remember I became really obsessed

36:39

with anything that

36:41

was kind of gang related, crime related,

36:44

anything that had a good twist in

36:46

it. And I loved

36:48

dated cinema, so I wasn't a massive

36:50

fan of what was kind of

36:52

in the cinema at the time.

36:55

So I'd always be watching older

36:57

films and the Sting,

36:59

oh, watched it many times. Absolutely

37:01

love it. The clothes, that's the thing. You

37:03

think, so why don't we dress like that

37:05

now? They're so beautiful, aren't they? And

37:08

just they're both so handsome. Amazing.

37:10

I think, you know, in my life, I

37:12

remember when that film came out and for

37:14

a long time afterwards, I hankered after having

37:16

a friend who I could look across a

37:18

crowded room at and just touch the side

37:21

of my nose and it would mean something.

37:24

That's so true. That's so true. And I

37:26

loved, well, I mean, they're both absolutely, I

37:28

mean, I remember just being massively in love

37:30

with both of them. But I also love

37:33

the Irish guy that they, I can't remember

37:35

his name, that they screw over. He's in

37:37

Jaws, isn't he? What's his name? Yes.

37:40

Robert Shaw. Robert Shaw, of course it

37:42

is. Well done. And the woman in

37:44

it who's the, no spoilers,

37:46

I suppose, but this is a spoiler,

37:48

but is the assassin. Yeah, she's brilliant.

37:50

She's terrifying. She's got such a great

37:52

face and twists. He's great.

37:54

He's great. I saw him in something

37:56

else recently, but yeah, he's great.

37:59

So that's my, that's. my all-time favorite

38:01

film. And

38:04

the

38:07

fact that Scott Joplin couldn't read music. Really? I

38:10

may have just made that up. I always

38:12

do that. I realised I've inherited this from

38:14

my mother. I often just go, this is

38:16

fact and then you look at it's not

38:19

true. And it's like, where have you got

38:21

that from? And I in my head, wouldn't

38:23

that be a, I'm gonna double check that.

38:25

But I'm pretty sure that he couldn't, I

38:27

think he learned to play just through

38:30

listening. I think a lot of people

38:33

at that time did. Yes. Yeah. Could

38:35

Scott Joplin, this is exciting. No, he

38:37

learned by ear. Ah, there you are.

38:40

He was self taught. And he had an absolutely

38:43

phenomenal pianist. Yeah, to develop

38:45

a style that ragtime to define

38:47

it as it were, because everybody

38:50

was playing it. And suddenly he

38:52

wrote these tunes. That's what this

38:54

music is. Amazing. Yeah. And

38:56

did you know his mother was Lebanese? No,

38:59

she wasn't. See,

39:05

I'm also very gullible. It's

39:07

very, it's very stressful. Because

39:09

you'd say that to me, and I wouldn't

39:11

realise it's a joke. And then I

39:13

would retell that. It's

39:16

very difficult for me. It could

39:18

have been could have been. But yeah,

39:20

absolutely brilliant, brilliant music, brilliant storyline, brilliant

39:22

acting, love the whole thing. Fantastic film.

39:24

I'm going to watch it again. It's

39:26

been a long time. I'm going to

39:29

watch it again. God, it's a great

39:31

film. It's almost like the original Ocean's

39:33

Eleven, isn't it? Yeah, it's the original film

39:35

of getting all these criminal powers together to

39:37

take down a baddie. And it is better

39:39

than Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, I

39:41

think. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I've

39:43

got to say Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, I

39:46

remember certain elements of it, but it never stuck with

39:48

me the way the Sing did. No, there we are. I'm going to

39:50

do it for you. Hang on. We

39:55

know what we did. Nobody

39:58

else knows that's our own little one. Well, Esther,

40:02

all we've got left is for you to put in something you

40:04

want to get rid of. Any

40:07

flavored hummus. Your

40:10

red pepper hummus, your paprika

40:13

hummus, your sweet chili

40:15

hummus. Take it and

40:17

shove it up your second half

40:19

because it is not

40:21

the way God intended hummus to be.

40:23

No. And it drives me mad. I cannot

40:26

tell you how many times my husband

40:28

has gone shopping, come back

40:30

and open the fridge and there is

40:32

some imposter in my fridge.

40:34

And I'm like, you can take that.

40:36

I mean, to be fair, we normally

40:38

make our own, but it drives me

40:40

mad. I

40:43

hate it. I'm like, why take something that's

40:45

so good and such a good

40:47

little sundry to have with whatever

40:49

you're eating and then change it. Why

40:51

you got to mess around with it for? You're

40:54

right. You're absolutely right. Although

40:56

I do like a chili hummus,

40:58

so I like it with a bit of esme on it.

41:01

Well, you know, you can make the two separately

41:03

and put it on. Yeah. You don't need to

41:05

start mashing it up. I honestly cannot bear it.

41:07

I saw something the other day and I was

41:09

just like, oh, piss right off. But

41:13

no, I feel quite

41:15

strongly about it. Clearly. I know. Well,

41:18

that's all right. You're defending a

41:20

tradition. I know. Imagine a

41:23

shepherd's pie and then someone goes, I know what

41:25

we're going to do. We're going to smother it

41:27

with soy sauce. No.

41:30

Absolutely. Well, that really, that

41:33

wins the argument. When you put

41:35

it in those terms, you're absolutely right. I mean,

41:37

I don't like it when people do shepherd's pie

41:39

and put tomato in it. No, I said that

41:41

the other day. I'm so, when's that become

41:43

a thing? That's not a thing. It's

41:46

mad. Just meat, gravy and potato. Come on.

41:48

Exactly. And our bit of onion. Very simple.

41:50

These if you're lucky. The

41:52

thing is, it's always, it's always peasant food, isn't

41:54

it? And from this has always been like

41:56

street food. So it's like things that are

41:58

straightforward, easy to make, cheap product. and they're

42:00

going to fill you with energy. No

42:02

one on the streets of

42:04

any Levant country is there going, what

42:06

this means is some kind of sweets

42:09

in a paprika. No one's doing it.

42:11

No. Thanks

42:14

for making all that, but I'm just going to mix

42:16

in a little bit. What are you doing? I

42:20

remember making spaghetti bolognese onto my kids

42:22

and my father and all coming in with a giant

42:25

bottle of ketchup and just squeezing it on the spaghetti

42:27

bolognese and went, there you go, that'll give it a

42:29

bit of flavour. Oh, no,

42:31

that's just... Yeah,

42:37

well, people should appreciate the

42:40

centuries of work that

42:42

have gone into creating this thing and making

42:44

it what it is. If it ain't broke,

42:46

don't fix it. Absolutely. Well put. Yeah,

42:49

okay, then all those things get banished

42:51

from the world. Brilliant. You'll never have

42:53

to suffer them again. How marvellous. Esther,

42:56

I knew I'd like you. It's been

42:58

lovely. So nice to meet you. Thank

43:00

you very much for doing this. No,

43:02

thank you so much for having me.

43:04

And have a fantastic tour, the rest of the

43:06

tour. I will do. I think it

43:08

ends in May. Right.

43:10

But then again, I could have just made that

43:13

up. I have

43:15

no idea. I just live in a world of absolute...

43:18

What am I doing tomorrow? I have no idea what's going on.

43:20

What happens tomorrow? Somebody tell me. I know. Do

43:23

you know what though, as somebody who's quite

43:25

a pessimistic person, there is no point looking

43:27

forward to the future. Just whatever will be

43:29

will be. Take it one day at a

43:31

time. So I will be on tour.

43:33

The dates are out there. I think

43:36

it ends in May. Hopefully we'll all still be

43:38

alive then. Yeah. Thank

43:41

you. Have a lovely time, whatever you

43:43

do. Will do. Take care. You

43:48

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43:50

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45:25

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45:27

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45:30

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45:34

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45:36

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45:42

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45:44

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45:46

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45:53

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46:04

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46:06

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46:29

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46:32

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