0:06

Oh,

0:12

hey,

0:18

everybody.

0:23

Welcome to my worst day. And I'm Cassie. I'm

0:26

Keegan. I'm Christina. All righty. So

0:28

I saw this on BuzzFeed and actually I

0:30

looked it up and it looks like it's

0:32

something that happened last year, but they reposted

0:34

it. All right. They do that sometimes.

0:37

But I did think it was an interesting

0:39

thing. I think it's still topical and relevant

0:42

to us. So I'm eager to get your

0:44

opinions because I read this

0:46

and immediately had an opinion on it,

0:48

but the opinions are mixed. Like

0:50

people have like differing, okay. They're

0:52

split on it, their

0:55

reactions. So this girl matched

0:57

with this guy on Tinder and

0:59

I've never been on Tinder, but

1:02

they both have to match, right? Like you

1:04

both have to swipe right in order to

1:06

match, right? Yeah. So they matched. She

1:09

had a picture on her

1:11

account where it was her and

1:13

a friend. Okay. So it's her and a friend together

1:15

and she's in a purple dress and her friend is

1:17

in a red dress and the

1:20

guy matches with her and then chats her

1:22

and says, Hey, but

1:24

I got to know who's in the red. Oh, so

1:27

matched with her to try and holler about

1:29

her friends that she posted the picture with.

1:31

I mean, that's the, that's the danger you

1:33

get when you post pictures. I mean, and

1:35

that's that's an art clear. A lot of

1:37

people were saying that, that like, Oh, well,

1:40

this is why you don't post group pictures

1:42

on a dating site. Although I've also heard

1:44

people who think it's a red flag. If

1:46

you don't post pictures with friends, because it's

1:48

like, do you have a social life? Do

1:50

you have friends? Yeah. I've heard that as

1:52

well. I feel like I always included it

1:55

as one of the photos. Sure. Right. Um,

1:58

I kind of have a feeling. But

2:00

if there's more information, I will take it. So

2:03

she responded and she said, she has

2:05

a wonderful boyfriend and pro tip don't

2:07

do this. And I think

2:10

it's extremely rude. I think

2:12

matching with someone to ask

2:15

about someone else is

2:17

rude. It wouldn't

2:19

be rude in person, like not necessarily. Well, no,

2:21

I still think it would be. I don't think

2:23

it's rude to go up to someone in person

2:25

and say, can you? Picture. And

2:27

say, can you introduce me to your friend? But

2:29

if you went up to someone in person with

2:32

the expectation that you like me,

2:35

you know you like me because

2:37

you've matched with me. Right. So

2:39

here's the issue with that.

2:42

That is putting too much onto

2:45

a Tinder match. Yeah.

2:48

Because yeah, I started that way

2:50

too, where it's like, and perhaps

2:52

it's like after a few years

2:54

of doing it, you get

2:57

not unemotional about it, but you just are

2:59

like, oh, it's just it's not. It

3:01

is what it is. It's not that important. You know what

3:03

I mean? Match just means like, it

3:06

doesn't mean I like you. And

3:08

especially once you do get

3:11

to meet them in person and it's different, I

3:13

think you just have to separate

3:15

your emotions a little bit. So match is just

3:17

like, I am

3:20

interested. I had a physical

3:22

attraction immediately when I saw your picture or whatever. Not

3:24

even that too. A lot of

3:26

times, they will show that guys

3:29

will swipe right on everybody.

3:32

Everybody. So it really

3:34

doesn't mean anything at all. So

3:38

I think that I would be like, I

3:41

don't know, not annoyed, but I wouldn't

3:43

be put off by

3:46

it. I would be put off by it. I mean, I'd be

3:48

put. I mean, obviously,

3:50

you're not going to take that part because you know

3:53

they're introducing your friend. But

3:55

I don't know to do that. I

3:57

wouldn't want to set my friend up with you. I

4:00

wouldn't want to set my friend up with you and also my friend,

4:02

I wouldn't, I don't think my friend

4:04

would want to go out with you. No. Because

4:07

I think that that's a really weird way to approach someone. I

4:09

don't, I just don't like that. And

4:11

also this profile isn't her profile. So it

4:14

is just purely look space. You

4:16

saw one photo of her. I

4:18

need to know who that is. I just

4:21

think that that's rude. It's weird. I

4:23

just think it's weird for your self-esteem too, to be like...

4:25

I also made the

4:27

picture bigger because I was like, are there like

4:29

major differences? No, they're both beautiful. They

4:31

look like sisters. They're both stunning girls. They're

4:34

both. So this is the

4:36

girl who had the account.

4:38

And it went viral. And actually I should

4:40

give her a shout out. So her account

4:42

is Abby Rose 311. Yeah,

4:44

she's beautiful. Yeah, she's gorgeous. And this was

4:46

a hinge exchange that she had. And like

4:48

for me, I don't know, this was very

4:50

black and white to me where I was

4:52

just like, I think that's rude behavior. You

4:56

see a million girls on

4:58

Tinder to match with

5:00

someone, to ask about someone else just feels like

5:02

bad form. Yeah, it is bad form. It is

5:05

rude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just don't know that

5:07

I would read people are saying that's not

5:09

rude. Yeah, they're like, well, you shot

5:11

a shot. And like, this is what you get for posting

5:13

pictures with other people on your page and stuff

5:15

like that. I feel

5:18

a way about like, yes, if it was confusing.

5:20

But it sounds to me like it's one

5:23

picture in amongst maybe multiple pictures. If

5:25

it was only the only picture I'd

5:27

be like, well, then yeah, maybe

5:29

it was the only picture she

5:32

had on there. But it was one of

5:34

several pictures. I just think

5:36

that is I wouldn't

5:38

do it. I wouldn't do it. Definitely

5:40

like enough of an emotional

5:43

thing or whatever to be on the apps

5:46

as a woman or as anybody. I

5:49

would never. It is. There was a

5:51

guy on a dating app and he posted a picture

5:53

with a friend. I would

5:55

never match with him just so I

5:58

could say who's your friend. I'd

6:00

like to fuck your friends. Like that's, I think

6:02

that that's so fucking rude. I think guys would

6:04

take it much differently. I think guys would be

6:06

like, all right, his name's

6:08

Jack. Let me ask him. I

6:11

think he'd be into it, man. I don't know.

6:14

I don't like that. And there were a lot of

6:16

comments of, you know, people who were like, well, when you already feel

6:18

like you're the ugly friend in the friend

6:20

group and then this is happening to you, you know,

6:23

that's why I stopped posting pictures with my friends

6:25

on dating and things like that. So, but that's

6:27

the thing too. That's why, again, they're both beautiful.

6:29

They both are beautiful. And they, like I said,

6:31

they look like they could be sisters. They look

6:34

so great. They're both blondes and they're both, you

6:36

know, the almost

6:38

identical looking as far as like, yeah, I'd

6:41

be interested to know what's the difference. This

6:44

was so you'd like her dress better

6:46

black and white. So, I

6:48

mean, clearly it isn't. So I'd be very interested for

6:50

our listeners to let me know what you think about

6:52

it because I would fucking hate

6:54

that. Yeah, I really like it. I don't

6:56

think I'd like it, but I wouldn't take

6:58

it personal. And I probably would just wouldn't

7:00

respond. I'd just be like block. Yeah, I

7:02

wouldn't respond. Yeah. Yeah.

7:04

Well, I think, yeah, just dating apps are

7:10

listen, I'm forever grateful. I got to

7:12

meet Eric off of a dating app.

7:14

So, you know, I feel

7:17

like a Cinderella story.

7:19

But there is, it is

7:21

very strange and people use them in

7:24

different ways for different reasons. And there

7:26

are an interesting thing to navigate. And

7:28

once you learn, I think

7:30

what what it is you want out of them,

7:32

I think they can be a useful tool. But

7:35

you really do like have to

7:38

build some walls. Yeah, because

7:41

sometimes people are using them in

7:43

very creepy, weird, ugly ways. And

7:46

you can get your feelings really, really fucking hurt.

7:49

Because sometimes people are awful. You

7:53

just get to meet more of them through

7:56

your phone. So yeah, it's

7:58

wonderful. Yeah. It can

8:00

be very can be fun. But yeah, I would I

8:03

would give it I would rate it a D General

8:10

a feeling of yeah Well on

8:12

that note actually there was an

8:15

article released in the independent this

8:17

past week Titled from dating for

8:19

the plot to entering

8:21

Dalulu era. Oh man Tenders

8:24

top online dating trends of

8:26

2023 so they just

8:28

released their year in swipe Revealing

8:31

the most popular dating trends for this year.

8:33

So it's like their Spotify wrap correct

8:36

Tenders wrapped So

8:39

based on the data collected singles

8:41

looking for love or just a

8:43

good time took the reins this year deciding

8:45

that main Character energy was what

8:47

they needed to bring to have a

8:49

successful dating life Okay, so they noted

8:51

that people were five and a half

8:53

times more likely to use statements in

8:56

their Biographies such as uh-huh. Everything I

8:58

do is for the plot Funny

9:04

amazing and also instead of looking

9:06

for the one users were also

9:09

focused on finding others who are

9:12

Nato Not

9:14

attached to an outcome. Oh Huh

9:18

so in light of this new carefree

9:20

energy Tinder users also

9:22

harnessed the power of Dalulu

9:24

as the salulu. I it's

9:27

all right. I need Dalulu

9:29

was used 58 times more

9:32

in biographies Wow this year

9:35

so Yeah,

9:38

it sounds terrible out there.

9:40

I'm not gonna lie like this

9:42

sounds Awful

9:45

yeah There's a major

9:47

shift in how tinder was being

9:49

used this year They found that

9:51

journey is more important than the

9:53

outcome for users 69%

9:56

of Gen Z users were found to

9:58

be challenging convention dating and

10:01

relationship norms, bringing themselves from

10:03

traditional expectations. Sure, I like that. The

10:06

data also revealed that a good bio

10:08

was just as important in the dating

10:10

game as the best selfie. That's actually

10:12

good news. Yes, I

10:14

agree. I think that that's great news. Yeah, that

10:16

it's like a little taste of

10:18

that personality. You care about the substance a little

10:21

bit. Yeah. The top

10:23

emoji used was on,

10:26

common amongst young singles to let

10:28

their potential matches know they are up

10:31

for an adventure. So it's like an

10:33

arrow going both ways and it says

10:35

on with an exclamation point underneath it.

10:37

So use that to let your matches

10:39

know you're up for an adventure.

10:41

And other emojis also

10:44

popularly used to symbolize certain

10:46

personality traits such

10:48

as I can't tell what that is. I'm

10:50

old blind woman. Let

10:53

me see.

10:55

Okay. It looks

10:57

like a necklace of

10:59

some kind to show. Oh, it's like meditation

11:02

beads. Yeah. To show someone is Zen

11:04

or down to earth or

11:07

a band-aid to let fellow swipers

11:10

know they are on a healing journey. Possibly

11:13

recovering from a crazy breakup

11:15

and we're re-entering

11:18

the dating scene. Okay. Listen, I

11:20

like that deciphering my mom's emojis.

11:22

My mom sends emojis now and

11:24

I'm like, what is the dancing

11:27

salsa woman doing next to the

11:29

picture of like cookies? I don't

11:31

understand. I don't know. Can't we just talk and talk to each

11:33

other? You know, I

11:35

mean, we use emojis, we, whatever, like, but

11:37

I just, I don't know that we need

11:39

all of this like shorthand. Like, why don't we get

11:41

to know each other? Then I'll tell you about my

11:44

journey. The

11:46

number one hottest trend on

11:49

the app, Akatsu was deemed

11:51

as the most attractive interest.

11:54

Akatsu is Japanese

11:56

for obsessive fans for

11:58

anime or manga. Okay, so that's

12:00

that's number one thing other

12:03

attractive interests were cheerleading Pilates

12:05

and being an LGBTQ plus

12:07

ally Along with a

12:09

surprising number entry at number four with

12:12

Biryani which I believe is Indian food.

12:15

Oh, I think Pacific. Yeah But

12:18

yeah urine swipe you can also I

12:20

remember one year I

12:22

think my last year on it is when they did it

12:24

They show you how many matches you got how

12:27

many of those matches led to chats how many

12:29

of those chats led to dates? Interesting and stuff

12:31

like that so you can get you can get

12:33

stats for all you data nerds and

12:36

yeah Yeah,

12:38

I don't know. I feel very

12:40

old. Yeah having this conversation. I

12:42

just feel Old

12:45

like I've never used the apps to date.

12:47

So I kind of like the emoji idea

12:49

I think that it does I mean,

12:52

especially if there's kind of like this common understanding

12:54

like those there's certain emojis that mean certain things

12:56

like I'm on a healing drink and kind of

12:58

takes some of the pressure off of having maybe

13:00

like a Instant difficult

13:02

conversation and it allows people to kind

13:04

of know where your headspace is. Yeah,

13:06

you know, just kind of like You

13:09

know like I'm here right now. This is what I'm What

13:12

I'm where I'm at, right? No without having

13:14

it's it's kind of their way of like

13:16

saying what we always say is put it on your profile

13:19

Mm-hmm, but it's in your profile. Mm-hmm, you know and some

13:21

people don't want to be like I'm actually just went through

13:23

like this really bad breakup and I'm blah blah blah, you

13:25

know, like you don't I mean Do you

13:27

think you would ask about it though? You could like

13:29

I can see it Yeah I mean I would

13:32

be probably want to ask about it like if

13:34

I because I'd want to check in with you

13:36

about where you Are which I guess that's the

13:38

most nice thing I've ever heard that could be

13:40

you But that could be useful.

13:42

I suppose like where like I could be a place where

13:45

like, okay, I know That

13:47

you've gone through something but that could mean

13:49

anything, you know, I'm in a hilly journey

13:51

as well What where are you at? What have you

13:53

what are your some tools that you've you

13:55

know used or whatever? Yeah, I don't know

13:57

I'm living for the everything I do us

14:00

for the plot. I love that. Yes.

14:02

Yes. True. I like the, I want

14:04

to be that confident. Well, and it's

14:06

also just like, look, there's

14:09

going to be some red flags. I'm

14:11

going to tell you right fucking now.

14:13

You're putting it, you're putting it on

14:15

the table. That like, this shit's going

14:17

to get weird. I don't know where

14:19

we're at right now. I'm willing to

14:21

make irresponsible decisions. Exactly. Exactly. Oh my

14:23

gosh. No, it could be appealing. I

14:25

love it. I mean, it's

14:28

like I said, it's, it's a tool just like any

14:30

that wants you learn how to use

14:32

it safely or whatever

14:34

can be fun, can lead

14:37

to finding interesting people that

14:40

I like the idea that Gen Z

14:42

is using it and not being attached

14:44

to outcomes. I like that. I think

14:46

that the biggest thing that dating

14:48

apps hurt in yourself sometimes

14:51

are your own expectations, your

14:53

own, um, dating in

14:55

general, how it is. If

14:58

you're too attached to the

15:00

outcome, right? Then now the delulu

15:02

thing, I need more information about

15:05

for the saloon. I don't, I don't

15:07

understand talking mostly about like the tube

15:09

girl. Do you know the tube girl

15:11

trends? Like she was in the tube and like

15:13

everyone's around her. She's not crazy. So it's

15:15

basically that energy be like, I'm just going

15:18

to have fun. Right. I don't

15:20

care what people think about me. I'm

15:22

delulu. Okay. Living my

15:24

life. Sure. Very gee, which I kind of

15:26

love that too. Yeah. Delulu for

15:28

the saloon. It's funny because um, somebody mentioned,

15:30

we were talking about the thing that we

15:33

talked about not that long ago about like

15:35

Gen Z looking for like

15:38

movies with less to do with like the,

15:40

well, they won't say or the, or whatever,

15:42

like that kind of romantic in game plot.

15:44

I mean, you see that in the dating,

15:46

you see that in, you know, a

15:48

lot of things. And I think that, um, but,

15:51

and, and then that person was like, well, they're,

15:53

they're not having as much sex. I'm like, I don't

15:55

know that that's true. And I also

15:58

don't think that that's necessarily a bad. thing.

16:01

I think that things change. I

16:03

don't think sex is the number

16:05

one indicator for connection necessarily. I

16:08

don't think it's bad for

16:10

them to be less sex-focused. Well I

16:12

also look at what happened to our generation

16:16

of millennials.

16:18

It's also like we're kind of the tail end

16:20

of like you have to like find your person

16:22

and get married and buy a house and have

16:24

this many kids and then you have

16:27

to go to college and like all that stuff and

16:29

we got priced the fuck out.

16:32

I think that Gen Z sees

16:34

like no way am I

16:36

ever gonna own a house, no way am

16:38

I ever going to... you know what I mean?

16:40

So what's the point of doing it the traditional way

16:42

if you're just gonna get fucked? Yeah, truly.

16:44

So I do like the fact that

16:47

they're just again not attached to any

16:49

outcomes and just looking for these experiences

16:51

that enrich their lives. I think

16:54

it's a great attitude to have. I

16:56

think our expectations are the things that hurt

16:58

us the most. I think that the only

17:00

thing that I would say about because I

17:02

agree with you but I

17:04

do think there is this

17:06

culture, swiping cultures, I'm interested

17:08

to see in 10 years

17:12

the outcome of swiping

17:14

culture, TikTok culture, really

17:16

short attention spans culture because

17:18

I wonder if it's going

17:20

to affect long-term connection with

17:23

people because you get bored and

17:26

you're like there's a million other people on the app

17:28

so it doesn't matter. Like we've seen like an uptick

17:30

in ghosting and uptick in stuff like that because you

17:33

know you can kind of just... I

17:35

just hope it doesn't lead to this feeling

17:37

that people are disposable, that we can't have

17:39

these like long-term connections because I'm with you.

17:41

I think being attached to a specific outcome

17:45

never really ends super well. You can't go

17:47

into something thinking it's going to go a

17:49

certain way because you're gonna disappoint yourself. However,

17:52

I don't know.

17:54

I think it can go kind of both ways. I think there's

17:58

balance needed. But it

18:00

also depends on what stage of life you're in. Like I'm

18:02

in my 30s. If you're

18:04

in your 20s, I think that's a different conversation.

18:06

Well, and also I think every new technology

18:08

has like a learning curve. Sure, yeah,

18:11

sure. So different generations like down the

18:13

line, like Tinder's kind of old now.

18:15

Yeah. What is it, 15, 20

18:18

years old? Something like that. That's the same. So,

18:20

yeah, I know. Probably less than 20. Yeah,

18:22

but still old. So enough that

18:25

like, you know, another generation is

18:27

using it, a new generation. And

18:29

you see like, you know, watching

18:31

my three year old niece

18:33

like work a computer. Right. You

18:36

know, is amazing. So seeing what Gen

18:38

Z does with that technology is interesting

18:40

to me. Yeah. And then

18:42

the ones that come after them, you know, you

18:45

mold and adapt the technology to make it

18:47

work better for you. Or, nefariously,

18:50

you know, there's a lot of AI

18:52

out there now. I

18:54

hate talking about this, but the

18:56

danger is that there's undressing

18:59

apps that you can plug in

19:01

a photo of somebody fully dressed and

19:03

AI will give you their naked photo.

19:06

But that's how could it possibly know. Yeah,

19:08

that's such a speculative. I mean, it

19:10

is speculative, but then that they're making

19:12

so weird. Deep fake porn, pretty

19:14

much. Right, and that's kind of the thing.

19:16

That's what I mean. So like when you're like

19:18

inundated with all of this, you have access to

19:20

so much, is that

19:22

going to change? I mean, it is going

19:25

to change it, whether or not it changes

19:27

for like positively, negatively, whatever, I don't dare

19:29

speculate on entirely, but like that

19:32

in-person connection, like being

19:35

vulnerable in letting someone see your naked body

19:37

for the first time, or like all of

19:40

those things, is

19:42

it going to change? Like having an app like

19:44

that, is it going to change like

19:47

that feeling of like actual person to

19:49

person contact and connection? Well, I think

19:51

that we're already seeing that, and that's

19:54

the point is like, you know, you're

19:56

already seeing that Gen Z doesn't care

19:58

necessarily about their, you know, about

20:01

the romantic this and that. They're like, we

20:03

have access to all of those things. Which,

20:05

you know, again, when we were growing up,

20:07

fucking TV movies were horny as

20:09

hell. Yes. Horny. Everything

20:12

was horny. Everything was horny. Shit that didn't need to

20:14

be horny was horny. The 80s were the worst. Anytime

20:16

I watch an 80s movie, I'm like, 70s is crazy.

20:19

Why are horny movies taking so

20:21

late? So naked. So naked.

20:23

Yeah, not, it's not right. I'm like, wait. It's

20:25

not okay. And when you know

20:28

that like everyone behind the scenes is like a

20:30

middle aged man. You're like, what? That like, I

20:32

always go back to that shower scene in Carrie.

20:34

Yeah. Because I'm like, everyone involved in

20:36

the making of this was an older man. Why

20:39

are we in a high school gym where

20:41

it's just like naked women in a shower?

20:43

It's so weird. Yeah. Yeah, it

20:45

is weird. But I think that that's influenced.

20:49

Like we didn't have access to like, you

20:51

know, we didn't have access to like porn.

20:53

Porn and things like that. We were lucky

20:55

to get like, you know, somebody's

20:58

old like playboy or play girl or play

21:00

girl. Or pit,

21:02

we were lucky to get play girl. But

21:10

like, or pit house for him, you know, like

21:12

that was like, you know, and it was

21:14

all like, very like, ooh, secretive. Whereas

21:16

now it's, it's, it's not

21:19

that it's, it's not horny. It's just

21:21

that it's, it's different. We've come to

21:23

a place where it's like so accessible

21:25

and it's not necessary to be that

21:27

horny. And I'm not saying it's bad

21:29

because you don't know, like every generation

21:31

changes and everyone is always up in

21:34

arms and concerned about things that new generations

21:36

are going through. And so I can't, we

21:38

don't know like what the effects of anything

21:41

will be in 10 years. And maybe it

21:43

doesn't even matter. It's just

21:46

something that I noticed. And I'm like, I'll keep

21:48

an eye on that. Yeah. Because I do

21:51

feel like it, I mean, and I, and I've heard

21:53

Gen Z people talk about this, that like making friends

21:55

is difficult. Like we're friends in real life. Like all

21:57

of these things change because of access to the internet.

22:00

internet. It's there's good and there's bad stuff.

22:02

Everything that just reminds me of the story I

22:04

did a couple weeks ago where the guy was

22:06

like, I was just here to make friends. Yeah.

22:09

Yeah. I want these guys to come gay. No,

22:11

I mean, I mean, going further down the line,

22:17

what affects like three years

22:19

indoors for the pandemic

22:21

generation and their social

22:24

socialization is interesting to me.

22:26

But yeah, you know, I

22:29

like I said, I'm a fan of

22:31

dating apps if used responsibly and in

22:33

the right way. Exactly.

22:35

Because that's really what it is.

22:38

It's just like, and maybe you

22:40

write with the emojis like any

22:42

attempt at communicating is probably a

22:44

good thing. Any attempt at like

22:46

revealing something true about yourself is

22:48

probably a good thing. I'm going

22:50

to stand by it. I think

22:53

I think swiping right on someone to

22:55

hit on someone else is fucking bad for me. I

22:57

think that there should be rules and

22:59

etiquette. Yes. I do. I

23:01

really do. And I'm like,

23:03

definitely need to read an

23:05

Emily post about how to

23:07

treat people online period. But

23:10

also dating everywhere, everywhere

23:12

in totally.

23:15

Well, who do we FMK this

23:17

week? I don't even fucking know.

23:20

What is

23:22

this? Where is the falling? This is

23:24

on the 20th of December. Well, it

23:26

is winter

23:31

season. And even though it is still like 70

23:34

degrees in Los Angeles,

23:36

people are starting to get

23:38

like warm and snugly vibes.

23:40

Yes. So what if we

23:42

fuck Mary kill bearded

23:44

dudes? I feel like we haven't had that

23:47

Santa in a while. It's Santa. And also

23:49

I feel like men grow beards in the

23:51

winter. Yeah. Don't they keep themselves warm? Yes.

23:54

Well, there's no, there's the no shade

23:56

November. Is that it? What it is?

23:58

No, no shade November. I

24:00

like to remember about it. I don't know about it.

24:02

Okay, got it. Yes, I know.

24:04

I love that shit. I mean,

24:07

technically, the legume, right? I

24:09

don't know. The

24:13

way that your faces were like, no. Oh

24:16

my God, one of my favorite moments. I

24:18

did, on my research, find an article

24:22

that was like, celebrities who

24:24

look better with beards than without. Okay. Right.

24:27

I can narrow it down because facial hair

24:29

is something that comes and goes for guys.

24:32

So there are a ton of celebrities

24:34

that are always bearded, but there are

24:36

celebrities who look better. The ones that

24:38

stuck out to me were Ben Affleck.

24:41

Definitely. I was like, oh, yeah, he definitely. Definitely.

24:45

Steve Carell. Yes. He's

24:47

so hot with a beard. He's a different person with a beard. With

24:50

a beard? He's giving daddy

24:53

energy. Yes. With

24:55

a beard, he's going to thank your ass. Without a beard,

24:57

he's going to wipe your ass. Oh, no. I

25:01

hate that. I hate it.

25:04

John Han. Yeah. I mean,

25:06

he's handsome either way. Handsome either way. Yeah, he is.

25:08

Listen, not going to kick him out of bed without

25:10

a beard. But the beard is a different

25:12

energy. It

25:15

is given to daddy again. You

25:17

get a new... Eric will sometimes grow

25:19

a beard. He wants to so

25:21

badly. Plus his heart. Plus

25:23

his heart. And yeah, it is. It's

25:26

like, oh, there's my new husband beard

25:28

in here. Yeah. Different

25:30

vibe. Spicier vibe. I have been watching Luther.

25:32

That's why I have Brit Box. He's on

25:35

here. Yes. Idris

25:37

Elba, hotter with a beard. Hotter. A

25:39

hundred percent. A hundred. And

25:41

hot anyways. I think he's like a hot man.

25:44

Just like John Han. Right. But

25:46

with a beard, that is daddy

25:48

energy. That is... Yeah. I'm

25:51

going to choke you maybe. Okay. Yes.

25:53

He acts in a good way. And

25:55

his voice is so deep and gruff and sexy like

25:57

that. Yeah. Whoo. Yeah,

26:00

yeah into it. I'm

26:03

gonna say I think some which we're

26:05

going for the ones that look better

26:07

with better Yeah, I was thinking like

26:09

Chris Hemsworth sure. Yeah, I like always

26:11

has a beard And

26:13

it does be a classic beer, but I'm gonna

26:15

go with Henry

26:18

Cavill. Okay. Okay, I think

26:20

he's Attractive he's

26:22

fine or whatever but then put a beard

26:25

on him He's too like he's too Clark

26:27

Kent without a beard. Yeah, it's you true.

26:29

I think John Ham same problem It's like

26:31

your two 1950s clean

26:33

cut handsome all-american handsome. You put a

26:36

beard on him beard on you dirty him

26:38

up a little bit Like

26:40

his Witcher character or whatever. Oh It's

26:43

a little too much. The Witcher doesn't have a beard Impossible

26:50

oh, yeah Oh

26:54

Okay, so I'm gonna go with Idris you're gonna go with

26:56

Henry Cavill, okay, I'm torn I Think

27:00

like I do dig the John Ham of it,

27:02

right? Mm-hmm the John Ham of it all you

27:04

got a ham of it all But

27:07

again, like you have you have memo

27:10

as another one. We didn't talk about Oh, come

27:12

on It looks like a different person. Yeah, it's

27:14

not a beard. Oh, hi. I think he's hot

27:16

without a beard I think

27:18

he's absolutely he's a lot hotter.

27:20

He's a lot hotter with it's a

27:23

different warm It's

27:25

like a different. He is not good-looking without

27:27

I disagree. Oh, I

27:29

just it's a no for me. Oh, wow

27:32

I think I think Ryan Gosling is hotter

27:34

with the bird. Absolutely hotter. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah,

27:36

absolutely I mean like and

27:38

I think again, we're talking about somebody

27:40

who's you know, generally a good-looking

27:43

guy regardless. Mm-hmm, but yeah

27:46

Are you gonna go with? Yeah, John

27:48

Ham. Okay. Wow. I Do

27:53

not have the self-esteem for this list, right? Lord

27:57

good luck. Oh my goodness. I

27:59

actually Well you have to go

28:01

through with it. We all know those are the rules. You do. You

28:04

have to. We're going to call them up. You're

28:06

going to call them up. Let them know. I know what

28:08

I'm going to do. I'm going to marry Jon Hamm. Jon

28:11

Hamm has a humor about

28:13

himself that I appreciate. Love

28:15

it. I'm going to fuck Idris Elba. Oh

28:18

my God. And

28:21

I can't imagine it being bad. Like he's like

28:23

one of those people who I'm like, it would

28:25

be very surprising if he's bad at sex. You

28:28

know? Yeah. I don't

28:30

get bad at sex energy. No.

28:33

No, no, no, no. Also that voice, that

28:35

accent, hot, hot, check, check, check into

28:38

it. Henry Cavill's never been... Is he going to

28:40

be too good at sex? Can

28:42

you be? What do you mean? I

28:44

would love to know. The listeners write in. In what

28:46

way do you mean? I mean like, am I

28:49

going to be embarrassed about, can I keep up

28:51

with that? I

28:59

need another sign. I have to know this is the only

29:01

way I'm going to get through this. This is a

29:04

wonderful trifecta for myself. I think Idris

29:06

Elba is going to throw you around.

29:10

I don't think you're going to have to do a ton. Yeah.

29:12

I just... I'm going to be done

29:15

too soon. Virgo. Okay. Love

29:17

it. Henry Cavill is a Taurus. Okay. Jon

29:20

Hamm is a Pisces. Oh geez, Christ. Wow.

29:23

That chain of things, isn't it? No,

29:25

it doesn't. Whatever. I'm going to

29:27

do what I'm going to do. Dude, our

29:29

sign... Oh my God.

29:32

Wait, our sign would be Taurus. Taurus

29:35

and Virgo. They're both our signs. Yeah. And

29:38

we all know I love a Virgo. Yeah. I

29:40

love a Virgo. And that's Idris. That's

29:42

a man with a plan. All right. All

29:45

right. Stop, stop, stop. Wind it back. I'm

29:47

going to marry Idris. Marry him. He's

29:49

going to keep me on this right now. He does

29:51

have like real Virgo energy. Yeah. So him and Keanu

29:53

Reeves, both Virgos, that's... There's an energy

29:55

there. There's a little danger. Love it. But

29:58

rounded. You're going to... Be good

30:00

at the things that I'm not good at that kitchen

30:02

is clean. You know like you just Elba

30:05

has like a clean kitchen vibe. Yeah, you know what

30:07

though I Don't

30:09

mean to throw a damp cloth. Okay

30:12

over this fantasy. He's

30:14

a DJ Oh

30:33

Color everything it does Oh,

30:39

no, you're gonna go to the

30:41

club support your man for

30:44

his DJ says maybe He

30:47

can love today I Love

30:51

to dance is he a good DJ. I

30:53

actually do not know Then I'm

30:56

like, you know, maybe what's his DJ

30:58

name? Oh that will determine

31:00

that will okay Dr.

31:04

Selba then I'm good with it. I'm actually

31:07

I'm willing to hold on but if it's

31:09

like DJ such and such Yeah, it

31:11

sounds like a morning like talk show hose.

31:13

I don't I'm not into it, you know,

31:15

like oh My

31:18

gosh, what is My god

31:20

DJ big dress You

31:37

be missus big dress Baby

31:41

dress. Oh, no little

31:43

little dress. Here's the thing I'm

31:48

trying to find ways to still justify this to myself Like

31:51

his energy. I like it so much

31:53

and I have never been a Henry

31:56

Cavill girly Like

31:58

I'm not I'm not a Henry Cavill girl he

32:00

never have been like I

32:02

think he's I think he's very good looking I think

32:04

he's objectively very good looking why do we why do

32:06

we suddenly go off big dress I

32:14

will say something these

32:17

men are all so fucking attractive

32:19

yeah this also I'm like all

32:21

right this humanized it's a little

32:23

bit for me yeah I'm like

32:26

don't come in here give me

32:29

that listen

32:31

you're gonna whip that

32:33

out with every fight you have okay

32:35

okay well I'm gonna go back where I I'm gonna marry Jon

32:37

Hamm I do I it's

32:49

risky spicy spicy spicy as I said I

32:52

would never do it again it's risky but

32:54

he does seem fun like he's got like

32:56

a humor that I like and I will

32:59

fuck big dress they're yelling so I'm willing

33:01

to I'm willing to go

33:03

to the club yeah I'm gonna like dance my ass

33:05

off and I'm going to take big dress home all

33:07

right yeah yeah hot and sweaty yeah I love it

33:09

that's how we like him I'm

33:12

so torn I

33:14

was gonna marry Jon Hamm off off

33:17

the cuff yeah just without thoughts and

33:19

I think that's how I get myself

33:21

into the situations I get myself into

33:23

however what I'll say my theory for

33:25

my life has always been just

33:28

do it the Lulu just

33:30

everything for the plot it's

33:33

always been my motto since I

33:35

was little is just to

33:37

do the thing and then like just

33:39

take the adventure yes ask questions yeah

33:41

exactly and and I've

33:43

enjoyed my adventure and I and that's always

33:45

kind of like way like I don't want my

33:48

fortune told or you know I don't like any

33:50

of that stuff I like no I just like

33:52

seeing what happens watching it unfold yeah yeah

33:56

however I've seen a Pisces

33:59

unfold And,

34:02

uh, oh, I just have

34:04

reservations. I mean, so do I, but just

34:06

take the leap with me, Cassie. Okay. All

34:09

right. You know what? You're

34:11

right. Jon Hamm, marionm. Okay. I'm

34:14

making an outrageous decision. Yeah.

34:18

But honestly, Taurus on my other side,

34:20

I can't do that. I

34:22

can't. That's an absolute no for

34:25

me. Embigidress is off the table. Burcos,

34:27

I like. Okay. Yeah.

34:30

Okay. But I

34:33

know that I have sexual energy with Pisces. Yeah.

34:35

Mm-hmm. I, Jon Hamm is just too...

34:37

So you're going to marry Jon Hamm.

34:40

Yes. Bearded Jon Hamm. Bearded

34:43

Jon Hamm. All bearded versions. Yes, obvious.

34:45

Yeah. And then

34:47

I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna fuck Big Juss too.

34:49

Yeah. Look. All

34:51

right. I, uh, might

34:53

be getting controversial. Okay. I

34:55

think that might be a bad decision to wrap up

34:58

2023, but I actually think... I

35:04

think that you don't have any bad decisions here. I

35:06

don't really. This falls all on your way

35:09

out. I actually really am interested in what

35:11

like a cap Taurus relationship

35:13

would be like. Okay. Because

35:15

I would love to date somebody I

35:17

think as stubborn as... Why?

35:20

Why would you love that? I

35:22

don't know. I just never have. It's very intriguing

35:24

to me. I mean, I think that you would

35:27

have, there's a lot of homebody stuff that you

35:29

would probably enjoy. Yeah, right.

35:31

There's a coziness going on with a

35:33

Taurus. They're cozy people. Yeah. Um,

35:35

but... You're not gonna like being

35:37

wrong all the time. With a Taurus? Oh,

35:39

I think the fights are going to be explosive. Epic.

35:42

Oh. Epic. Yeah.

35:45

Yeah. I think, I think I have to

35:47

be safe. I have to, I have to marry Jon Hamm too. I've

35:49

got good sexual energy with Pisces. He's a good, calm, funny,

35:52

down to earth. I love his sense of

35:54

humor about himself. Yeah. Me too.

35:56

I feel like Big Dris is not okay. He's

36:00

okay making fun of himself. I feel like that would

36:02

be the thing that would be very difficult Hmm.

36:06

Yeah, I mean if he's very earnest about

36:08

big dress If

36:11

you're not because because at first I'm like oh,

36:13

I mean he could be Taking

36:16

his out, you know, yeah, no like and if that's

36:18

the case and that's much more attractive You're

36:20

just like I'm big dress. Yeah,

36:22

then full chest out. Yeah.

36:25

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I don't

36:27

know. Yeah, I I gotta

36:29

I'm gonna marry Jon Hamm and then I'm

36:31

gonna see what that that let me know

36:34

goat and Bed.

36:37

Wow. Yeah, I

36:39

like that. Let me know fight to the fellas

36:41

of you're gonna be trying to take charge the

36:43

whole time Absolutely Yeah,

36:47

so yeah That

36:49

was it a good one. I think we need to revisit

36:51

bearded men I think there were some good

36:53

good options we left on the table. Okay,

36:56

so yeah, maybe next week part two Okay. All

36:58

right. I like this. Hey if you guys

37:00

got good good options You want you want

37:02

if you if somebody that you want in

37:04

the gate You just let us

37:06

know. Yes messages Yeah,

37:09

yeah, exactly. Well, let's take

37:11

five and then we'll come back with stories and

37:14

we're back What's my? From

37:21

like Watch

37:27

some of big dresses set that he did

37:29

for radar online and look you can legs

37:31

it I have to I have Number one,

37:33

she doesn't want to ruin her chances here

37:35

with the big dress. I do not If

37:39

this makes it into addresses in

37:41

giant hands, just know hey Truth

37:45

that I I love

37:47

if you like it. I love it. You look like you

37:49

are having the best time DJing

37:52

your little heart out. Well, I

37:54

come support Keegan and her new

37:56

relation Fucking Lucy. Yeah, I

37:58

will come to the club with her Of

38:00

course. And also, like we were talking about,

38:02

Keegan, like, someone with a hobby. He

38:06

may have a hobby. It's hot. It's

38:08

hot. It has to be DJ Big Dress. He

38:11

chooses that. That's exactly. He looks like he's having

38:13

fun. He does. There you go. I

38:15

love that from him. I approve. It brings

38:17

some joy. Exactly. It's not like

38:20

he's doing this and doesn't have a job. Yeah. Also

38:22

true. Wait a minute. That makes a

38:24

huge difference. That makes a huge difference. It's

38:27

like, what's the point? It's

38:30

like Keanu Reeves being in that band. Yeah. It's

38:32

like, yeah, I love that for you. Like, you know,

38:34

have a hobby. That's wonderful. It's

38:36

not like Jared Leto being in a band, though.

38:39

No. No. Fuck

38:41

Jared Leto. Anyway. Okay.

38:43

Anyway, this is a very short story, but I feel

38:46

like it needs to be told. And

38:49

this is not his story. He's talking

38:51

about a girlfriend of his. So he

38:53

says, so he says, it's not what

38:55

it's about. I was having a friend

38:57

of mine in conversations

39:00

with girlfriends and female friends. It

39:02

has always astonished me at the

39:04

psychopathic behavior shown by men to

39:06

almost every woman I've ever met

39:09

to be clear. Well, not all men

39:11

are psychopaths, but it seems all women

39:13

have met one and can tell an

39:15

absolutely hair raising story about it. Yeah.

39:18

That's all we need from you just to

39:20

acknowledge that. Listen, enough of them. If it's

39:22

not weird, I'm not talking about you. Yeah,

39:25

exactly. Exactly. If it

39:27

doesn't apply, let it fly. On

39:29

to the worst story I've ever heard. An

39:32

ex-girlfriend told me this story. She

39:34

meets a guy and they hit it off. They start dating. After

39:37

dating for a while, she invites the guy to her house

39:39

with the intention of sleeping with him. When

39:42

they get to her place, she offers him a glass of wine

39:44

and asks him to wait in the living room while she goes

39:46

to freshen up. We've all been there. You

39:48

want to make sure everything is tidy. Yep. Tidy

39:51

it up. Cleaned, washed. Okay. 10

39:56

to 15 minutes later, she returns to the

39:58

living room to find an omen. empty

40:00

wine glass, a note, and the

40:02

guy nowhere to be seen. The

40:05

note reads, sorry I couldn't

40:07

wait for you so I took matters

40:09

into my own hands. The glass

40:12

contains his

40:14

ejaculate. I

40:17

stopped. Stop. Stop.

40:22

You came in a glass.

40:24

Uh-huh, because you couldn't wait for her to

40:26

get clean. 10 to 15 minutes, mind you.

40:29

This is somebody, listen, you know,

40:31

when we're doing that, like

40:33

I'm literally like I've been running around

40:36

all day and everything. Exactly. Also,

40:40

that's where you're not really that big of a deal. 10-15 minutes?

40:43

No, not long at all.

40:45

You couldn't wait 10 to 15 minutes to

40:47

have it actually be with a real human

40:49

woman who was in front of you. Get

40:52

a grip. Well, I guess he did, never

40:54

mind. Well, he sure did, yeah. There are

40:56

no words for what was wrong with that

40:58

guy. She was extremely lucky he left and

41:01

I'm like absolutely. He came in her wine

41:03

glass and left. Dude, do

41:05

you know too how expensive like a good wine

41:08

glass set is? Yes, and now I have three

41:10

because you can't use that one. Ever again. You

41:12

throw it out. It's all in the truck. That

41:14

is so fucking weird. I put it in one

41:16

of those bags I got at the grocery store.

41:19

Bio has it. Yeah, and then doubled

41:21

it again and then threw it into

41:23

the dump. That is so weird. Isn't

41:25

it? Like what is up with that?

41:27

You couldn't hold on. Just gusting. Oh,

41:30

I hate it. Gusting. I've never heard anything like that in

41:33

my life. And

41:35

so he's getting frustrated like waiting

41:38

for her or whatever. And so the

41:40

thing that pops into his mind to

41:42

do is to take out his dick,

41:44

jerk off and come into a wine

41:47

glass. That is so gross.

41:49

How is your brain wired? He's

41:51

like solution leaving her to clean

41:54

up his cum. Imagine

41:57

pouring that down the sink. No. Sorry!

42:02

Oh my god! Ugh!

42:07

Sorry, brain bleach. That is

42:09

big-griss. Oh! I'm

42:12

about to be like that. Don't

42:14

you dare me! You dare! You

42:18

take my husband's name, and I

42:20

say, oh, mouth! Ow,

42:22

you motherfucker! Okay,

42:25

whew! That took a turn. Anyway,

42:28

I was traveling, and as a way to meet

42:30

people and some cute local men,

42:32

I was on Tinder and couch surfing. I

42:34

saw this one guy who was on both apps,

42:36

matched with him on Tinder, and we quickly set

42:38

up a date. I met him

42:41

at an Italian place. He looked like

42:43

his photos, beards, slicked back hair, jeans,

42:45

nice dress shoes, and a suit jacket.

42:48

I thought it was a bit too much, but

42:50

whatever. We get to talking, and

42:53

he started to say some pretty weird things, like that

42:56

his therapist didn't know if he was a psychopath

42:58

or a sociopath. Oh, okay! I don't like

43:00

that! I know! I'm a

43:02

first-aid cop! Check, please! She can't decide. Your

43:04

therapist can't decide. I'm not gonna help.

43:07

I don't want to get to the bottom of that. No.

43:10

I don't need to. Sounds like you've got some

43:12

more therapy to do. Right. Also,

43:14

he didn't have a conscious, and

43:16

he sold weapons over Sia's job.

43:19

Yeah, so maybe red flags. Yeah!

43:22

Maybe! What do you mean? Is he

43:24

a psychopathic arm? Is she dating Khan's

43:26

grouper? Right, yes. Fuck! He

43:29

was insecure and maybe trying to come

43:31

off as a Christian Grey sort of character.

43:34

I met him when he started. Is that what Christian

43:36

Grey's job is? No! I

43:39

don't think they ever really elaborate. He owns a

43:41

business company. He owns

43:43

his own business. But he's just business, man. He

43:45

owns his own business. Yeah, business things. Businesses.

43:49

Shareholders. Lots of meat. Like

43:51

the guy who really does. The other meat

43:53

needs are killing me. Sir,

43:56

you are the janitor. I

44:04

met him when they started making the movie

44:06

so he might have found some inspiration from the

44:08

book. I am disturbed because this

44:10

is like our third story where someone where

44:12

a man was inspired by Christian Grey and

44:14

I am very disturbed by the number of

44:16

men who saw that and were like I'm

44:19

taking a note I'm putting a pin in

44:21

that for later. Like write it

44:23

down use for later. Anyway

44:26

at the end of the night

44:28

we walk out of the place

44:31

that's when I made the huge mistake I

44:33

said I was going to walk

44:35

back to my hostel and he said no

44:38

we're this way pointing to the car.

44:41

I got in the car with

44:44

him like a stupid sheep thinking

44:46

that he would drive me home. No

44:50

we are now driving past my hostel I

44:52

asked him to drop me off he says

44:54

no because he was wants to show me

44:56

his place just in case I want to

44:59

couch surf with him. I don't. I

45:01

told him I didn't want

45:03

to go home with people I have

45:05

just met on a first date but he

45:07

insisted that I see his place so here

45:10

we are driving up to his apartment complex

45:12

my plan jump out make a dash for

45:14

it when he parked. But

45:16

this asshole has his own special

45:18

mini garage we pull in and

45:21

I watch my only exit the garage

45:23

door slowly closing in front of my

45:25

eyes. Okay you see this is exactly

45:28

what home did from

45:30

my last story was talking about this

45:32

behavior like the fact that you have

45:34

you've never spoken to a human woman

45:37

for longer than like five minutes if

45:39

you don't know why a woman would

45:41

find that really scary. That's yeah I

45:43

mean oh my god I would be

45:45

having a full-on panic attack yeah slowly closing

45:48

in front of me the garage door I

45:50

think I think to ease my

45:52

nervousness he told me it would be a stupid of

45:54

him to kill me because there was too much evidence

45:57

that are not helping me oh god I get

45:59

that shit. Oh my god.

46:01

Not helping. No. I

46:04

sent my friend a ping of my location

46:06

from his place and then went up to

46:08

his apartment. Turns out he had the sweetest

46:10

Indian roommate. I couldn't help but

46:12

feel sorry for the guy having to live

46:14

with this fucking idiot. I was

46:17

there for an hour until it was finally

46:19

time for me to leave. So my crazy

46:21

date walks me out and on the way

46:23

down to the elevator he says to me,

46:25

and I kid

46:27

you not. I don't usually let

46:29

women leave this easily. Oh. So

46:32

yay. I wasn't murdered or worse and now

46:34

I have a crazy story to tell. Oh

46:37

my goodness. Why do you think that's sexy? Oh

46:39

my god. It's terrifying. Like that's not,

46:41

it's very scary. People they really should

46:43

listen to their moms when they tell you

46:46

not to talk getting cars with strangers. Be

46:48

safe ladies. Yep. Yep. Oh

46:50

my goodness. Oh you got lucky.

46:52

I don't usually let women leave this easily.

46:54

Why would you think that that's like an okay

46:56

thing to say? Or like, and you know, he

46:58

probably said it was sexy. Oh yeah.

47:01

He's like, yeah. He thinks that

47:04

he's for sure. Well, it's a Christian grade. Yeah. Lack

47:06

of empathy. What's really creepy

47:09

though is that the couple of

47:11

things he said showed awareness at least

47:13

that the situation could be frightening for

47:15

a woman. Yeah. But

47:17

then did it anyway. Didn't care. Yeah. Yeah.

47:22

Yeah. I'll help your therapist out. Yeah.

47:24

I have a psychopath. Okay. I

47:27

forgot all about this one until I started reading

47:30

the horror stories. Girl

47:32

picks me up right away. Notice

47:35

that she has a nervous habit of interjecting

47:37

meow in the sentences. I

47:41

feel like if we told a story, it sounds like meow.

47:45

Okay. Also uses it in different tones

47:47

to convey laughter and confusion.

47:50

I ate meow. Okay. So

47:52

this isn't like a, it's not like a right meow. No, it's not like. And

47:55

it's not like Tourette's where it's just meow. No,

47:58

no. She's communicating with. me

48:00

out. Yes. Okay. But not as a

48:02

substitution for other words. No, she's, she's

48:04

just peppering the

48:06

conversation. I don't like

48:09

this. Like an emoji.

48:11

I hate you.

48:13

Go to dinner.

48:15

Nothing spectacularly

48:19

bad happens. Afterwards,

48:21

she wants to go to some Hill and

48:23

some park and I think it's the al Hill

48:25

and male park. Yeah, exactly. I think. Yeah. Cop

48:28

shows up. Yeah. And whoop,

48:31

start being real dickheads about the park

48:33

being closed. There was no signs at

48:35

the gate. They pull us out of

48:37

the car. Oh, no. He's beginning to

48:40

know hearing through it because if we

48:42

weren't up there fucking well, then we

48:44

had to be doing dope. Oh my

48:46

God. Ran our IDs all as

48:48

well. Cop starts grilling me about my

48:50

out of state ID. Tell

48:52

him I just moved back to the

48:54

area. Starts asking me bullshit questions about

48:56

the weather and where to eat in

48:58

my previous city. I stonewall

49:01

him. His partner gets up in my

49:03

face for being disrespectful. Are

49:05

you? Wow. This

49:07

is, oh my God. Pop

49:10

finds a gigantic spiked knuckled

49:12

trench knife under her seat,

49:15

reads us the riot act, but eventually tells

49:17

us to get lost. She

49:19

asks if I want to come back to her place

49:22

ready to pull the rip cord. I say, Nope.

49:25

Says she makes the best mac and cheese,

49:28

not homemade, but from a box,

49:30

knows how to make box mac

49:33

and cheese just right. I feel

49:35

good. See, we just ate.

49:37

So thanks. Anyways, he's

49:39

asking me. It's me.

49:41

He reminds me of

49:43

the fucking was that

49:45

Mr. Rogers neighborhood. Anyways,

49:48

Adam keep asking me

49:54

questions. When I ask her things, I get,

49:56

Oh no. Oh, that's not

49:58

important. Or. I'm

50:00

gonna drop me

50:03

at a bar just around the corner from my

50:05

place as I don't want her knowing where my

50:07

building is. Yeah. We

50:09

sit in the parking lot for a good 30 minutes

50:12

with her firing questions at me. The

50:15

whole time she faces forward, doesn't

50:18

look at me once. Seriously creepy.

50:21

I finally escape, go in, order

50:23

a beer and try to decompress. She

50:26

then comes flying in the door,

50:29

lays a huge awkward hug on

50:31

me and refuses to release it.

50:34

Oh no, oh no. I'm going,

50:36

ha ha ha ha, okay, okay,

50:38

okay. Finally she lets go,

50:42

looks up and says, meow.

50:45

Oh! Then she splits. No.

50:47

You know, I need, I would be

50:49

very confused. What does she do when she comes, do you

50:51

think? Oh! No! No!

50:53

No! No! No! No! No!

50:56

No! No! No! No! No!

50:58

No! No! Oh my god,

51:01

I'm assuming it sounds similar to

51:03

what villain does around 5 o'clock in

51:05

the morning now. Villain your cat. Yes.

51:07

Yeah. When he's like his water dish

51:09

is empty or whatever, which is scream

51:12

bloody murder. Oh. Like,

51:14

see my cat scratches

51:16

the, we have a picture in

51:19

the bedroom and he just, I'm

51:21

like, really dude? Oh, that's fucking weird. Where do

51:24

you think you picked that up? Just

51:26

like a cute thing that just like all of a sudden

51:28

you keep doing it enough that it just fits your thing.

51:30

Well, what it reminds me of, what it reminds me of

51:32

is like for millennials

51:35

that like tumble era random,

51:38

random girl, you know, like when it was just

51:40

like, oh my gosh, I'm so random. And it

51:42

was just that like quirky, silly, I have a

51:44

mustache tattooed on my finger. Oh. When I saw

51:46

like random kind of, and that's. Oh, it totally

51:49

is that. It's that vibe where it's just like,

51:51

this makes me quirky and funny and weird and

51:53

like, you're not so, you know, manic, manic, pixie

51:55

dream girl. Yeah. You're like the other girls. I

51:57

know. I know. Yeah.

52:00

Oh, OK. That's the vibe I get

52:02

from that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh,

52:05

we all went through a pick me face, a pick me

52:07

out face. Yeah. Of course. I cannot pot

52:09

call the kettle black. No, I definitely was.

52:12

I wanted to be manic pixie dream girl.

52:14

So fucking I wanted to be 500 days

52:16

a summer. Listen, we

52:18

all did. I wanted to be Natalie

52:20

Portman from Garden State. Yeah.

52:23

That was that was my manic

52:25

pixie dream girl. Yeah. Aspirations of

52:27

choice. Yeah. Mine was more of

52:29

the the oh,

52:31

God, what's the movie? Shit,

52:34

I'm the worst at this. Of my

52:36

brain is totally gone. You got to give me more

52:38

than what's the movie. I did the movie with the

52:41

guy and the girl and the girl. And she's she's

52:43

like, oh, she was really random. Drew

52:46

Barrymore. Oh, that is a very

52:48

perfect example. But this is not it's

52:51

the other girl that I like a lot. And

52:53

hold on. Wait for it. Wait for it. Fight

52:56

club. Oh,

52:58

Helen Abana. I was like, it was

53:00

like coming. Yes, coming to me. Gosh,

53:02

dude, that is a good F.M.K. Actually.

53:04

Oh, I manic pixie dream girls. Nice

53:07

time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

53:10

you guys might take five and then we'll come back with

53:12

the tainted love. Yeah. Good. And

53:15

we're back Keegan. OK. I

53:17

would love to. So today

53:20

I'm going to tell you the story of T. Colin

53:22

Davis. Now, I got

53:25

all of my information from. I'm sorry. Yes. I

53:27

don't mean to stop you immediately, but that's fine.

53:30

Colin likes the punctuation

53:32

or like the name. Name C

53:35

U L L E N.

53:37

Colin. Colin. Colin. So Thomas

53:39

Colin Davis. Great. Yes.

53:41

Great. So I got

53:44

all of my information or most of my

53:46

information from a couple of different medium articles

53:48

and a couple of different Texas monthly articles.

53:51

Oh, here we go. No, you know. So

53:54

I'm going to try and get through this

53:56

as quickly as I can. I wrote this

53:58

whole thing in sitting in the Denver. airport

54:00

during my layover. So I

54:02

guess I can be grateful to them for that

54:04

but I have to wake up this morning and

54:06

there you go finish this but right off the

54:09

top and I will if it's something that I

54:11

think is going to be particularly egregious especially for

54:13

the people in this room I will go ahead

54:15

and throw another trigger warning right before it happens

54:18

but at the top I'm just gonna give a

54:20

general trigger warning for child

54:22

abuse domestic violence animal abuse.

54:25

Oh okay I don't love this all right

54:27

I knew you wouldn't. So

54:29

Thomas Coleman Davis who went by Colin

54:32

was born or in my mind colon.

54:34

Which might fit better I don't know.

54:36

It might be a real piece of

54:39

ass. Or well a real

54:42

piece of ass inside something sexy. I

54:45

meant a real piece of work and

54:47

an ass hole. Yeah

54:51

sorry. I understood

54:53

but you know he was born on September 22nd 1933 and was

54:58

the middle child of

55:00

Texas oil tycoon Kenneth

55:02

W. Stinky Davis. Stinky

55:05

Davis? Well I fucking love

55:07

it. I love like old-school

55:11

Texas oil tycoon

55:14

names. Stinky Davis. So

55:17

he grew up extremely privileged as you

55:19

would imagine the son of an oil

55:21

tycoon would. And eventually upon his father's

55:23

death gained a sizable inheritance that he

55:25

splits equally with his two brothers. So

55:28

he grew up to be a wealthy oil

55:30

man himself. And you know what I didn't

55:32

deep dive it because there's so much on

55:34

this case but I'm always like what is

55:36

that fucking even me? I don't I don't

55:39

know he's again he's Christian Grey businessman does

55:41

business. I kind of almost believe it has

55:43

to be something similar to that Killers of

55:45

the Flower Moon. Yeah where they

55:47

they own the land that

55:51

that oil companies then pay you to

55:53

be able to drill. Then what do

55:56

you do? You make a deal

55:58

pioneer woman Ray Dremen. Uh-huh, I

56:00

heard. No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. She's got like

56:03

all the Osage land.

56:05

Like she's got hundreds

56:08

of houses. Yeah, because she made her co-career being

56:10

this like, oh, pioneer woman, just a down-home,

56:12

simple girl, or whatever, and she's got like

56:14

oil money. And

56:16

a lot of it is from that

56:18

particular story. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

56:22

Yoinks. Yoinks indeed. So

56:25

yes, he grew up to be wealthy

56:27

oil man, businessman does business. He

56:29

married his first wife, Sandra Masters, in 1962,

56:33

and the couple had two children, boys, Colin

56:35

Jr. and Brian. In

56:39

May, you're gonna have to get over

56:42

it, because I'm gonna say Colin a million times during

56:44

this story. I hear Colin. I know. Sorry.

56:47

Especially after like, I'm surprised you didn't

56:49

do Stinky the Third. Right. Stinky

56:52

Colin the Third. Sorry.

56:58

In May of 1967, he meets Priscilla Lee Childers at

57:04

a country club, and the two immediately hit

57:06

it off despite the fact that they are

57:08

both married. So he's married to Sandra, and

57:11

she's married to someone else. I

57:13

honestly couldn't find very much about Priscilla's

57:15

upbringing, except for that she was not

57:17

born into Texas High Society. So he

57:19

was, he's blue blood all the way,

57:23

and she kind of climbed that social

57:25

ladder. Got it. And

57:27

needless to say, the blue bloods did not

57:30

like Priscilla, because they thought

57:32

that she was cheap. She

57:35

had this reputation as like this platinum

57:37

blonde party girl, she wasn't afraid to

57:39

form her figure, she wore a lot

57:42

of mini skirts and little cut shirts.

57:44

Scandal-less, right? It is Texas. So

57:47

the affair began immediately with

57:49

Colin traveling back and forth between

57:52

Priscilla and his wife, and the

57:54

two meeting often in hotels across

57:56

Texas. And it wasn't long before

57:58

Priscilla's at the. point, a

58:00

strange husband, Jack, caught

58:02

on to what she was up to. And

58:05

he contacted Sandra

58:08

Collins, wife. Yes. So

58:11

you contacted Sandra and together they

58:13

formed a plan. They got a

58:15

team of private investigators. And

58:18

then together with the private investigators, they went with

58:20

them, which is also messy and wonderful. They

58:23

went with them. They found out that they were at

58:25

the Fort Worth Hotel on New Year's Eve. They

58:28

all went inside and kicked the fucking door

58:30

down. And they found

58:32

a nearly naked Priscilla and Colin

58:34

inside, pepper sprayed them and took

58:36

pictures to use in their divorce.

58:39

Wow. That's like one of those

58:41

money. Old

58:43

school episodes of that show. Do you remember

58:45

cheaters? And they had a hand pulling because

58:47

that host got stabbed. Not

58:51

funny, but they walked around and find out. Yeah.

58:54

I mean, I also don't know how legal it is

58:56

for you to pepper spray people in their own hotel

58:58

room, but whatever they did, they took pictures and they

59:01

used those pictures in their divorce. I'm

59:03

sorry. You assaulted me. Right. This is

59:05

the 60s. So one of them is

59:07

illegal though. Right.

59:11

I'm just saying. Priscilla and Colin married in August of 1968, much

59:13

to the chagrin of high society, who again, really

59:22

disapproved of Priscilla. She

59:25

was a really extravagant spender.

59:27

She draped herself in couture

59:29

clothing. She decorated their Texas

59:31

stadium skybox completely in pink

59:34

and at a Cullen's urging. So

59:38

she already had big boobs, but he's like, well,

59:41

you knock them. What not goes up a notch.

59:43

So she got her breasts enhanced and not

59:45

afraid to show them off. Oh, wow. They

59:48

were doing that as early as the 70s. Oh

59:51

yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah.

59:54

Um, not long after their marriage, the couple

59:56

moved into a 6 million, which would be

59:58

$42 today.

1:00:00

Holy shit. Mansion that

1:00:03

Cullen named Stonegate. So the home had

1:00:05

11 bathrooms, an indoor

1:00:07

pool, it's too many, an indoor

1:00:10

pool and a 12,000

1:00:12

square foot master bedroom. The bedroom is 12,000

1:00:15

square feet bigger than, sorry, 12, sorry, 2,

1:00:17

2, 2, 2000, not 12,000. I

1:00:21

was like, that's like 10 houses.

1:00:23

No, but so 2000 square feet is bigger than,

1:00:26

is a house. Bigger

1:00:30

than my apartment. Yeah. Oh hell, a bigger than my

1:00:32

apartment. Yeah. Oh my God. This makes me think of

1:00:34

that, um, that wedding that just happened.

1:00:36

Madeleine Brockway's wedding. Did you hear

1:00:38

about that? I don't even know what that is.

1:00:41

Yeah. Nobody knows who it was. She soft

1:00:43

launched her social media with a $59 million

1:00:46

wedding where, where, what? She

1:00:49

like rented this like fucking

1:00:51

chateau of like one of the nights was

1:00:53

Versailles. I almost threw up. I really did. Like

1:00:55

I, that's, she's a car

1:00:58

dealership heiress and her

1:01:00

husband is actually, um, a dealer

1:01:02

ship. I mean, I dated a guy who's sad.

1:01:04

I'll show you guys pictures

1:01:10

of it. It's the most disgusting.

1:01:12

It's gross, right? That's so gross. I am

1:01:15

in the wedding of the century. That's disgusting.

1:01:17

So I hate that. It's unnecessary. No, it's

1:01:19

filthy. I don't like that at all. People

1:01:22

are out here. Can't fucking afford groceries. And

1:01:25

the guy is, um, brought up on charges,

1:01:28

gun charges. He shot at cops. No

1:01:30

way. And so they offered him a

1:01:32

plea deal of like 25 years. He,

1:01:34

he shot at cops and he's still

1:01:36

alone. So there are alternate ways to

1:01:39

handle that. That's interesting. Okay. Wait a

1:01:41

second. Who did the

1:01:43

dad, the groom, the groom. So

1:01:45

the groom is like in jail now. The

1:01:48

groom is going to go to jail.

1:01:50

He spent $50 million on a wedding

1:01:52

menu. I know. I know. It's so

1:01:54

stupid. I

1:02:00

don't mean to derail this. I thought this was

1:02:02

common. I hate people who are this wealthy. I'm

1:02:04

sorry, I'm willing to put it across the board.

1:02:07

Anybody who has this kind of dumb money, I

1:02:09

can't. I can't actually. I'm not hating

1:02:11

on you for having money, right? I'm not

1:02:13

hating on you if you keep all that money. But $59

1:02:15

million wedding, is somebody not going

1:02:17

to be life in prison? I really do. I

1:02:20

do hate on people who have and keep that

1:02:22

much money. Yeah. It's one thing to

1:02:24

get that much money, whatever. You earned it and

1:02:27

live a nice lifestyle, but you can do

1:02:29

all of those things and still give back

1:02:32

and help out your community. And no one

1:02:34

needs a $50 million wedding. That's

1:02:37

so fucking gross and unnecessarily extravagant.

1:02:39

But all those vendors make it. Oh

1:02:41

no, I'm just kidding. How

1:02:44

much of that was the wrong story? I just

1:02:46

want to, I know, right? Okay.

1:02:49

2000 square foot master bedroom. So

1:02:52

when they weren't at home, the two spent

1:02:54

their time on lavish trips all over the

1:02:56

world. However, despite outward

1:02:58

appearances, Cullen was losing millions

1:03:00

of dollars in bad business

1:03:02

deals and investments. And

1:03:05

probably because he didn't know what

1:03:08

he's doing. He's a Nepo baby.

1:03:10

That's Stinky's job. Right. Exactly. Priscilla

1:03:14

had three children, but only one, her

1:03:16

oldest daughter Dee, agreed to live with

1:03:19

her mother and Cullen who did later

1:03:21

adopt her. The younger two,

1:03:23

Jack and Andrea, chose to stay with

1:03:25

their father. They found Cullen to be

1:03:27

creepy. A sentiment that

1:03:29

was actually shared by women in his close

1:03:32

circle. They were like, he gives weird

1:03:34

vibes, weird attention. And

1:03:37

eventually her younger two children refused to come

1:03:39

to the mansion at all. Like they're like,

1:03:41

wait, bad energy over there.

1:03:43

Yeah. Cullen soon became

1:03:45

physically abusive to both Priscilla and

1:03:48

Dee, the oldest daughter. No. Though

1:03:50

he would later deny it, both women claimed

1:03:53

that he broke their noses. Fuck. And

1:03:55

on one occasion, Priscilla's collarbone. Ooh,

1:03:58

ow, ow, ow. Yes. So here's trigger

1:04:00

warning, guys aren't gonna like. Just put it on, this is the

1:04:02

animal. The animal abuse, so if you don't like it, I mean

1:04:04

not that any of us like it, but if you can't handle

1:04:07

it, just skip forward. So

1:04:10

the same night that he broke Priscilla's

1:04:12

collarbone, she would allege that

1:04:14

he killed a kitten that Dee had

1:04:16

brought home by slamming it against the floor

1:04:19

multiple times. That's disgusting. And

1:04:21

this, according to Priscilla, was the only incident

1:04:23

that he would admit to regretting. So

1:04:26

he regretted killing the kitten. Oh well, he

1:04:28

fucking regrets it. Yeah. Once

1:04:31

when Dee was 14. I'm gonna go find

1:04:33

my cat, right? I'm gonna go, give him a key. Once

1:04:36

when Dee was 14, she came home with

1:04:39

bad grades on her report card and Cullen

1:04:41

beat her so severely that she was left

1:04:43

with noticeable marks and bruises. So she ran

1:04:45

away to her boyfriend's house. His

1:04:48

parents finally called CPS. In

1:04:51

the end, the social worker determined that

1:04:54

the family needed counseling but admitted that

1:04:56

they were unlikely to attend. That

1:04:58

was the end of that. Yeah, they need to

1:05:00

go to counseling. They probably won't go. Bye. Bye.

1:05:04

Hope things work out for you. See you later.

1:05:06

Wow. Dee would later go

1:05:08

on to say that her mother was one of those

1:05:11

people who lacked confidence to go

1:05:13

without the attention of a man for

1:05:15

very long. So she was the survivor

1:05:17

of sexual abuse at a young age.

1:05:19

And it was rumored that, I think

1:05:21

Dee's father, I think that's who

1:05:23

she's talking about here, that

1:05:27

whenever Priscilla was a teenager, she

1:05:29

was raped. She got pregnant from

1:05:31

that and married her

1:05:33

rapist. So she

1:05:36

has a lot of trauma. And according

1:05:39

to Dee, that trauma

1:05:41

manifested itself in her needing a

1:05:43

lot of validation, a lot of

1:05:45

attention. Cullen

1:05:48

began taking more and more international business

1:05:50

trips without Priscilla. And so while he

1:05:52

was gone, she's at the door waving.

1:05:54

Bye. Bye. But when he would

1:05:57

leave town for these long periods of time, she began having

1:05:59

a lot of trouble. having a series of

1:06:01

affairs in his absence

1:06:03

before eventually filing for divorce in

1:06:05

August of 1974. I

1:06:08

can be honest, don't blame her. Don't

1:06:10

blame her. He seems terrible. He seems like

1:06:12

the worst. Yeah. In

1:06:14

her filing, she pointed to Cullen's physical

1:06:17

abuse and he in turn alleged that

1:06:19

she was a serial adulterer. In

1:06:22

the end though, the judge... Again, only one

1:06:24

of these things are actually illegal. Right. In

1:06:27

the end, the judge, Joe Idson or Idson,

1:06:29

I'm not sure how you pronounce his last name, E-I-D-S-O-N,

1:06:34

seemed to side with Priscilla who he

1:06:37

granted Priscilla a restraining order against Cullen and

1:06:39

ordered that she be allowed to remain in

1:06:42

Stonegate Mansion during the proceedings. Cullen would

1:06:44

have to find other accommodations eventually moving

1:06:46

out into a nearby hotel. So he

1:06:48

was cool with it, right? Oh, he

1:06:50

was super cool. Yeah, he was like,

1:06:52

this is fine. He didn't have any

1:06:54

issue with her staying in his mansion

1:06:56

while he lived in a great hotel.

1:06:58

All good. I bet. So

1:07:01

with Cullen out of the house, Priscilla

1:07:03

continued her relationships, moving several

1:07:05

people into the mansion. I think I

1:07:07

have a home. Look at rooms. They

1:07:10

do have tons of room, 11 bathrooms. And

1:07:13

hosting drug-fueled parties where allegedly

1:07:15

many orgies took place though

1:07:17

Priscilla would later deny taking

1:07:20

her herself in the

1:07:22

group sex activities. Dee

1:07:24

and some of her teenage friends were

1:07:27

also said to have been in attendance

1:07:29

at some of these parties. So, you

1:07:31

know, Cullen's a fucking monster piece of

1:07:33

shit, but Priscilla not mother of the

1:07:35

year. No, no, no, no one's nominating.

1:07:38

Agree. Yeah. After

1:07:41

several short-lived relationships, one with

1:07:43

a man named W.T. Ruffner,

1:07:45

fucking the name, you know,

1:07:47

like dinosaur. Who

1:07:50

was also abusive towards Priscilla. She

1:07:53

began dating Stan Farr, who is

1:07:55

a former basketball star at nearby

1:07:57

Texas Christian University. T.C. see

1:08:00

you bullfrogs. Yeah. Are they really

1:08:02

something like that? Oh, I thought you made that up.

1:08:06

It's like it's like the something frogs.

1:08:08

Yeah, there you go. Great. Uh,

1:08:11

Cullen seemed to have moved on as well

1:08:13

dating a woman named Karen master, who seemed

1:08:15

to be Priscilla's opposite in nearly every way

1:08:17

other than the fact that she too was

1:08:19

platinum blonde, but she was definitely more, um,

1:08:22

less flashy, more of

1:08:24

a acceptable woman. Right.

1:08:26

The divorce proceedings

1:08:29

dragged on for years and in August

1:08:31

of 1976, judge, judge,

1:08:33

I was like, wait, we

1:08:36

got, we got, we got

1:08:39

jug and stinky. Judge Eisling

1:08:41

granted Priscilla's request for an

1:08:43

increase in monthly support payments

1:08:45

by 50%. So the increase

1:08:47

went up by 50% and

1:08:49

an additional lump

1:08:53

sum for expenses and legal fees of $52,000,

1:08:55

which would be nearly $2,078,000 in 2023. That's

1:09:02

a lot. He also

1:09:05

granted her an additional $5,000 a

1:09:07

month in living expenses until the

1:09:09

divorce was resolved as well as

1:09:11

a continuance to Priscilla, uh, after

1:09:14

her. So her doctor wrote a note to the judge

1:09:16

saying that Priscilla was in no emotional

1:09:19

condition to proceed with a divorce trial.

1:09:21

Um, so there was a delay, like

1:09:23

a massive delay in the divorce proceedings.

1:09:25

As long as it's a delay, she

1:09:27

getting paid. Exactly. So she gets $5,000

1:09:29

a month in living expenses

1:09:32

for as long as this thing drags out and

1:09:35

a free house. Yeah. And so the judge agreed

1:09:37

with the doctor and was like, okay, like

1:09:39

we will, we will delay. We'll take a break.

1:09:41

We'll take a break. And Collins attorneys, of course,

1:09:43

argued against the delay.

1:09:47

So that same night that the judge made that

1:09:49

ruling on August 2nd, 1976, Priscilla and stand far

1:09:51

returned home

1:09:55

to stone gate to find that

1:09:57

the security system was not armed.

1:10:00

And so they kept driving the end.

1:10:02

At the end, they were like, this is

1:10:04

this isn't normal. Let's go talk to a

1:10:07

police officer. Well, here's the thing. Priscilla's

1:10:10

12 year old daughter, Andrea, was

1:10:12

staying with them. And sometimes she

1:10:14

forgot to arm the security system.

1:10:17

So they were like, OK, Andrea is here.

1:10:19

She probably just forgot. So they

1:10:22

go in to find Andrea. They

1:10:25

didn't find her in her room. And so the

1:10:27

couple was moving through the house, calling her name,

1:10:29

looking for her. And when they

1:10:31

made their way to the basement, they discovered

1:10:33

her body and she

1:10:35

had a large gunshot wound in

1:10:37

her chest. Oh, no. Yes. So

1:10:41

this is his daughter, her daughter, her daughter. She

1:10:44

doesn't have any kids with colon. It's from a previous

1:10:46

relationship. Yeah. So a child. Yeah. 12 year

1:10:48

old. 12 year old. Yeah. So

1:10:52

as Priscilla walked toward the stairs, a man

1:10:54

dressed in black stepped out of the laundry

1:10:56

room and said hi and

1:10:58

then shot her once in the chest. Stan

1:11:01

tried to run away, but was shot

1:11:03

four times. Damn. The man

1:11:05

in black then dragged his body towards

1:11:07

the basement where Andrea's body was and

1:11:09

Priscilla managed to make it out of

1:11:12

the house and run to a neighbor's

1:11:14

house. So she banged on the door

1:11:16

screaming that Colin was inside killing everyone.

1:11:18

Oh, my God. I mean, as

1:11:20

Priscilla was running from the house, two of her friends,

1:11:23

Bubba Gavril and

1:11:25

Bev Bass were pulling

1:11:28

up names. Great,

1:11:30

great names. Cool. Bubba was shot in the chest.

1:11:34

Forever paralyzing him. Oh, no. Oh, my

1:11:36

God. And Bev managed to get away

1:11:38

unscathed. Oh, thank God. Both would later

1:11:41

claim that the man they saw that

1:11:43

night was Colin Davis. When

1:11:45

authorities arrived at the scene, they found

1:11:47

that both Stan and 12 year old

1:11:49

Andrea were dead. Police

1:11:52

arrived at Colin's new home with Karen around 430

1:11:54

in the morning and

1:11:56

his alibi between 8 p.m. on

1:11:58

August 2nd and. midnight on August

1:12:01

3rd were wobbly at best. He claimed

1:12:03

that he had gone to dinner and

1:12:05

a movie alone. And police

1:12:07

were able to figure out that he had left the parking

1:12:09

garage of his office at 5 30

1:12:12

p.m. on the evening of the murders. But the

1:12:14

car that he left in was not the car

1:12:16

that he drove back to

1:12:18

care at the house he shared with

1:12:20

Karen that evening. So that car wasn't

1:12:22

found until a week later in a

1:12:24

garage across the street from his usual

1:12:26

garage. It was our and

1:12:28

based on the ticket the parking ticket

1:12:30

receipts. It had been there since

1:12:32

August 4th which meant that somebody not him

1:12:34

had to have moved the car

1:12:36

because he was in jail. They

1:12:38

had arrested him that night. So somebody

1:12:41

moved his car and it also

1:12:43

had been cleaned. So someone cleaned

1:12:45

his car and left it in that

1:12:47

parking garage. That's weird.

1:12:50

Colin was charged with two counts of murder and

1:12:52

given $80,000 bond which would be

1:12:54

$429,000. But for him, nothing. Easily paid it, walked

1:12:57

right out and people were pissed

1:13:03

because he got out that early. But the DA was like

1:13:05

well it wouldn't have mattered what we set his bond at

1:13:07

if he was able to get out. No

1:13:10

matter what we set it out. Can you do a no bond?

1:13:12

Well, hold on.

1:13:15

So after posting bail he checked himself into

1:13:18

a psych hospital for depression but he

1:13:20

walked out with Karen four days later without checking

1:13:22

out or notifying the staff. He was like I'm

1:13:24

done. I think a little break. I think I

1:13:27

did it

1:13:30

guys. Now Cassie, so the

1:13:32

DA pushed hard for Colin to be

1:13:34

re-indicted on capital murder charges. So he

1:13:36

hadn't been indicted on capital murder. He

1:13:38

had been indicted on like first degree

1:13:41

or second degree or something because

1:13:44

bond could be denied in

1:13:46

capital murder cases but not in

1:13:48

other murder cases. So they re-arrested

1:13:50

him and denied him bond. It

1:13:52

being capital murder he was

1:13:55

also eligible for the death penalty. What's the difference? No

1:13:58

idea. Just a big deal. look big

1:14:00

again and I'm not sure. Get it

1:14:02

capital mark. But it's very.

1:14:06

During the initial bond hearing, the

1:14:08

prosecution was granted an order for

1:14:10

a psychological evaluation on him and

1:14:12

the psychologist testified that he was

1:14:14

likely to commit future acts of

1:14:16

violence, especially during stressful family situations.

1:14:19

Clear. The person who beat his

1:14:21

family, beat his wife and then

1:14:23

it escalated into murder. Not

1:14:27

surprisingly, the defense had their own

1:14:29

psychologist who testified the exact opposite.

1:14:32

He remained in jail for six months

1:14:34

before his trial began. He

1:14:37

hired infamous Texaco, Texaco,

1:14:40

Texas criminal defense lawyer,

1:14:42

race horse Haynes. I

1:14:44

swear to God. This

1:14:47

is you're making me

1:14:49

Richard race horse Haynes. Who

1:14:53

argued that Priscilla's account of the story

1:14:55

was a lie and a blatant attempt

1:14:57

to frame Colin for murder. So

1:15:00

she killed her own daughter

1:15:02

and lover

1:15:04

boyfriend and then

1:15:06

shot herself and

1:15:08

shot her friend Bubba and she said

1:15:10

that Bubba and Beverly Bath by the way, are

1:15:12

still alive and could have said. Right.

1:15:15

But she said that they were complicit in the framing, that they

1:15:18

were all in it together, even though

1:15:20

Bubba is fucking paralyzed. So

1:15:24

the first trial ended quickly in a

1:15:26

mistrial before jury selection because everybody

1:15:29

they were like, well, there's there's we can't

1:15:31

find anyone in this area. So

1:15:34

they moved it to Amarillo, Texas

1:15:37

and they were

1:15:39

pursuing the death penalty for the deaths

1:15:42

of Andrea and Stan and the attempted

1:15:44

murders of Priscilla, Bubba and Beverly. The

1:15:47

trial was called like the biggest

1:15:50

thing to ever happen in Amarillo.

1:15:52

It was this massive spectacle. The

1:15:54

defense, of course, painted Priscilla as

1:15:57

a promiscuous junkie who abused prescription

1:16:00

and said that therefore her testimony was

1:16:02

unreliable. We can't trust anything this bluesy

1:16:04

says. And she deserved to die. Right,

1:16:06

yeah. And it was

1:16:09

made quote unquote worse because

1:16:11

she would show up to court the

1:16:15

way that she always was, the way that

1:16:17

she always dressed. She wore flashy outfits. And

1:16:21

then the newspapers would report on the

1:16:23

people that she would show up with.

1:16:25

So she had like physical and psychological

1:16:27

issues, of course, following this incident. And

1:16:30

so the newspaper would refer to her nurse as

1:16:33

her hairdresser and her bodyguard that she

1:16:35

needed to keep herself safe from Colin

1:16:38

and everyone else as her hit

1:16:40

man. What? Wow.

1:16:43

I felt slanted. Yeah, language

1:16:45

matters. Yes. In reporting, as

1:16:47

I think we all know. Wow.

1:16:51

Colin meanwhile had a private cell, catered

1:16:53

food, clean clothes, and was still able

1:16:55

to see his chiropractor daily, as

1:16:57

well as continued to conduct business

1:17:00

meetings and transactions. He

1:17:02

was a fairly good looking man or people

1:17:04

thought so. And so he had

1:17:06

a lot of fans who brought him food, cookies,

1:17:09

pies, brought their children and grandchildren to

1:17:11

meet him. They

1:17:13

would let him sign autographs. It's

1:17:16

something so terribly wrong

1:17:19

with our country that we equate

1:17:21

wealth with goodness. Wealth with

1:17:23

goodness, attractiveness with goodness. Unless

1:17:26

you're making me feel too many weird

1:17:28

feelings, Priscilla. You're too attractive. You're too,

1:17:30

you know. But

1:17:33

not surprisingly, I mean, people hated

1:17:35

Priscilla because they loved him. They thought

1:17:37

that this is a celebrity and

1:17:40

they don't like Priscilla because she's not

1:17:42

fitting their narrative of what a

1:17:44

perfect victim should be like. During

1:17:46

recesses, he shook hands and posed for

1:17:49

photos with his fans. He

1:17:51

was also frequently left unsupervised

1:17:53

in jail and allowed to

1:17:55

roam freely about the jail

1:17:57

unrestricted. Yeah,

1:18:00

that's cool. According to

1:18:02

the prosecution, Colin's motive was obviously

1:18:05

his recent divorce ruling that

1:18:07

increased the payments to Priscilla

1:18:10

and the state's first witness

1:18:12

was Judge Joe Idson. Priscilla

1:18:15

was also called and was on the stand for

1:18:17

11 days. Where

1:18:21

race horse Haynes questioned her relentlessly

1:18:23

about the sex, drugs, and violence

1:18:25

that occurred at the mansion. Also,

1:18:28

okay, great, whatever.

1:18:31

Even if she did all these things, what does

1:18:33

it have to do with him? Well, I mean,

1:18:35

and the thing is, he was just doing it

1:18:37

to wear her down because the judge had already

1:18:39

made a ruling that they couldn't, unless it happened

1:18:41

the night of the murder, they weren't allowed to

1:18:43

bring up like the parties and the things that

1:18:45

were happening at the mansion. So he did all

1:18:47

of this, most of it outside of earshot of

1:18:49

the jury because it had to be brought up

1:18:51

in front of the judge first and then he

1:18:53

would get to decide what the jury heard if

1:18:55

it was relevant or not. So he was doing

1:18:57

it just to be a fucking asshole. Like just

1:18:59

what to do. Yeah. Or

1:19:02

that's my take. Yeah. No, it's it seems

1:19:04

right. Right. The

1:19:07

defense also did their best to attack

1:19:09

and discredit the other witnesses attempting to

1:19:11

call their identification of Colin as the

1:19:13

shooter into question. Beverly Bass

1:19:15

was berated on the stands with

1:19:17

race horse Haynes implying there was

1:19:19

more to her and Priscilla's friendship.

1:19:21

We all know what that means.

1:19:24

And that Bev was lying and

1:19:27

fabricating stories to protect Priscilla because

1:19:29

she asked her to. So

1:19:31

the defense also tried to pull attention

1:19:33

away from Cullen claiming that Stan Farr

1:19:36

had enemies and people were out to kill him.

1:19:39

He was afraid of people. So he was really

1:19:41

the target here and Cullen wouldn't have any reason

1:19:43

to go after Sam. Okay.

1:19:47

When jury deliberations finally began on

1:19:49

November 17th, they had been

1:19:51

sequestered. The jury had been sequestered for over

1:19:53

100 days. Wow.

1:19:56

Just five hours later, they returned with

1:19:58

their verdict. guilty.

1:20:01

When asked later jurors expressed that they

1:20:03

did not find Priscilla credible. Who

1:20:06

cares that there was there were other

1:20:08

witnesses. Cohen had a motive. There are

1:20:10

people dead. A child. And

1:20:15

this was the most expensive trial in Texas history

1:20:17

up until this point costing more than $300,000 which

1:20:19

is 1.6 million in 2023. After the verdict, you're

1:20:27

going to piss you off. There was

1:20:29

a victory party at a local bar

1:20:31

in which reporters, bailiffs, jurors, and even

1:20:33

the judge were in attendance. The

1:20:35

next day, Cohen and Karen hosted a

1:20:37

luncheon for the jurors and reporters. Wow.

1:20:40

That doesn't seem legal.

1:20:43

Priscilla's family rightfully felt

1:20:46

the prosecution did not do

1:20:48

enough to humanize 12 year old

1:20:50

Andrea to the jury, barely mentioning

1:20:52

her during the trial. Mm

1:20:54

hmm. Due to her injury,

1:20:56

a divorce hearing. This

1:20:59

is a fucking murder trial. It doesn't matter

1:21:01

how you feel about Priscilla. A 12 year

1:21:03

old died. Santa far died too.

1:21:05

You know, like he's not a 12 year

1:21:07

old, but he didn't deserve to lose his

1:21:10

life in this situation. Yeah, absolutely bonkers. Due

1:21:12

to her injuries, Priscilla would develop an addiction

1:21:14

to pain medication that would follow her for

1:21:16

the rest of her life. After

1:21:19

the trial, Karen's ex

1:21:21

has been filed for custody of their children to keep

1:21:24

them away from Cohen Davis because he has a history

1:21:26

of abuse. Judge Joe Ideson, the

1:21:28

same judge that had ruled on Cohen

1:21:30

and Priscilla's divorce proceedings, signed the order

1:21:33

granting the restraining

1:21:35

order, but it would

1:21:37

later be overturned. Okay. On

1:21:41

August 1978, Cohen hired

1:21:43

his friend, David McRory, to

1:21:46

murder Judge Ideson. What

1:21:48

the fuck? So

1:21:51

when David was solicited for

1:21:53

murder, he contacted the FBI.

1:21:55

Yeah. Good. Like, Hey, yes.

1:21:57

Hi. Yes. So

1:22:00

they faked Ideson's death in

1:22:03

order to get, and then David met up with

1:22:05

Colin for payment. He was wearing a wire. They

1:22:07

managed to get all of this shit on tape

1:22:11

that there was solicitation for murder. Colin

1:22:14

had a hit list with 15 names, which

1:22:16

included Priscilla, Bubba, Bev Bass,

1:22:18

Dee, his

1:22:21

daughter Dee, and his own brother Bill. However,

1:22:24

Karen, her family, and other

1:22:26

supporters of Colin insisted that

1:22:28

Priscilla was framing him. It

1:22:30

was another framed job. Dude,

1:22:34

people will convince

1:22:36

themselves of anything. Yeah. Honestly,

1:22:39

the cognitive dissonance in

1:22:41

people sometimes is shocking to me.

1:22:43

Yep. So race on tape.

1:22:45

Well, race horse Haynes was hired

1:22:47

once again. This time he charged

1:22:49

$2 million up front. Yeah. He's like, listen, you

1:22:51

got to stop being so fucking stupid. If you want

1:22:54

me to defend you, you got to get $2 million

1:22:56

up front. When asked to

1:22:58

explain the tapes, Colin explained they had

1:23:00

come up with this elaborate defense, this

1:23:02

elaborate scenario in which an FBI agent

1:23:04

called him and told him to play

1:23:06

along with wanting to have Priscilla and

1:23:08

the judge murdered, and that it was

1:23:11

David that was trying to set him

1:23:13

up. Why? Why? Why

1:23:15

was the FBI... That doesn't make any sense.

1:23:17

It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make

1:23:20

any sense. It still got off because money. On

1:23:23

January 22nd, 1979, the

1:23:25

jury came back deadlocked eight

1:23:28

to four in favor of conviction. It

1:23:30

wasn't enough for the judge and he granted

1:23:32

the defense's motion for a mistrial and Colin

1:23:35

was released. Okay. So that was a

1:23:37

lot. But keep in

1:23:39

mind that throughout all of this, Colin

1:23:41

and Priscilla had still not finalized

1:23:44

their divorce. Oh,

1:23:46

man. They're still fucking married. Holy shit.

1:23:49

Yes. So the divorce was finally

1:23:51

complete in the spring of 1979. Priscilla

1:23:54

got nearly $3.5 million, which is almost $15 million.

1:24:00

today her car and her horse

1:24:02

but the judge did order her

1:24:04

to vacate the mansion within 30

1:24:06

days. Colin and Karen

1:24:09

were married about a month

1:24:11

after the divorce was finalized

1:24:13

and the couple moved into

1:24:15

Stonegate mansion. That's so

1:24:17

gross. I don't even know. So you married

1:24:19

a man that you gotta know deep down

1:24:22

inside. Yes. Murdered a child and

1:24:24

then now you're moving into the murder

1:24:26

scene. And with your children

1:24:28

and also like there was a lot

1:24:30

of speculation for a long time and I'm

1:24:32

sure it is true that he

1:24:34

was abusive to Karen physically abusive to

1:24:37

her as well. She always denied it

1:24:39

but that doesn't mean

1:24:41

anything. He was retried

1:24:44

for the murder for hire plot and was

1:24:47

acquitted. There's more

1:24:49

because he'd went to like there

1:24:51

was also like a civil case

1:24:53

that Karen or that Andrea's family

1:24:55

did with him. Like he'd been in and

1:24:57

out for forever and at this

1:24:59

point like basically everyone in this

1:25:02

case Bubba and Bev ended up getting married

1:25:04

and having children but he was paralyzed for

1:25:06

the rest of his life. Most of the

1:25:08

players in this case including Priscilla and Karen

1:25:12

have since passed away. I think even Dee

1:25:14

has passed away. Colin Davis is still living

1:25:16

in Texas and is 90 years old. Oh

1:25:19

he's got a kiss and juror. There you

1:25:21

go. Yeah. Yes. Kiss and juror of Texas.

1:25:23

So he got off over

1:25:26

and over murder for hire on tape.

1:25:30

I can't fucking believe. On

1:25:32

a murder. On a judge.

1:25:34

A federal judge and you

1:25:38

have eyewitnesses who

1:25:40

saw you kill people.

1:25:42

Yeah. And then shot this guy

1:25:45

shot me. Doesn't matter. Right. No.

1:25:47

And innocent. He did not. What?

1:25:49

Yeah. Yeah. No I

1:25:51

think something that's been interesting for

1:25:54

me and something that I kept thinking about

1:25:56

when you're telling this story is the

1:25:59

small town. mentality to

1:26:03

moving to a small town this

1:26:05

past year and there is it's

1:26:07

very different

1:26:11

yeah it's very different I've never

1:26:14

really had that experience I've always been

1:26:17

raised in and lived in a city so

1:26:20

it's always kind of surprised me

1:26:22

kind of this this group

1:26:24

think of this person good

1:26:26

this person not good

1:26:28

right you know and it's not

1:26:30

based on like what you're ideal

1:26:32

whatever yes oh this person

1:26:36

goes to church this person's a Christian

1:26:38

yes my parents think that

1:26:40

way yeah specifically so it couldn't possibly

1:26:42

this might be this person yeah but

1:26:45

this person they never go to

1:26:47

church they're like God they were

1:26:49

hearing they wear t-shirts

1:26:51

that say read band books or whatever so

1:26:53

they must be right it's like yeah yeah

1:26:55

I mean it's very weird and even if

1:26:58

it's not a small town if it's small

1:27:00

kind of closed communities or communities that have

1:27:02

like lots of influence like in this you

1:27:04

know it's well oh oh

1:27:07

Colin you mean stinky boy no

1:27:09

he couldn't have fucking done anything you

1:27:11

like we know him he comes from

1:27:13

he comes from such a good family

1:27:15

you know stuff like that whereas they

1:27:17

don't fucking know Priscilla yeah they don't

1:27:20

like how she moved up how she

1:27:22

managed to infiltrate yeah sir her way

1:27:24

right and and because of that she's

1:27:26

not offered the same amount of sympathy

1:27:28

and because she's not offered that sympathy

1:27:31

it doesn't extend to her 12 year

1:27:33

old daughter who sick

1:27:35

didn't do anything Wow in

1:27:38

this situation yeah

1:27:40

it's it's it's infuriating this is awful

1:27:42

really good story it's gonna make me

1:27:44

think about a lot of things because

1:27:47

that's that's something that I'm like I

1:27:49

don't know how to to

1:27:51

challenge that but that specific

1:27:54

type of thinking I feel like is the

1:27:56

root of a lot of things today

1:28:00

Yeah, I agree. And I don't

1:28:02

know how to

1:28:04

combat that. Yeah. And I'm

1:28:07

sure there are other podcasts who have

1:28:09

done this in more depth. I'm

1:28:11

sure there's lots of things that you can a

1:28:13

lot to talk about. There's a lot and I

1:28:15

tried to do it really quickly because

1:28:18

there's so much and I didn't even

1:28:21

go into a lot of the details of a lot

1:28:23

of the other things. So if you're

1:28:25

interested in this story, make sure you check

1:28:27

out again, the links to our sources will

1:28:29

be on the website. So if you want

1:28:31

to read those Texas monthly articles or those

1:28:33

medium articles, you can go check

1:28:35

that out. But yeah, it's I

1:28:38

couldn't believe it. I just kept reading and

1:28:40

I was like, surely this time, surely this

1:28:42

year, something's going to get him and some

1:28:44

fucking no nothing. Yeah. Wow. Wow.

1:28:47

Yeah, I'll definitely be looking into more

1:28:49

of that. So yeah. Well, what

1:28:51

are you guys watching this week?

1:28:55

I've got a book I can tell

1:28:57

you guys. Yes. Yeah. So I am

1:28:59

actually reading The Lady in Red

1:29:02

by Hallie Rubenhold. She is the

1:29:04

one that did the

1:29:07

book about the Ripper victims. Oh,

1:29:09

yes. The five of five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

1:29:11

I thought that's not a familiar. Yeah. So I

1:29:13

just started it. I'm really into it so far. It's

1:29:15

about the this family.

1:29:21

It's a sex scandal that happened

1:29:23

in 1760s. Lady

1:29:25

in Red. Yeah. Yeah. So

1:29:28

it's like historical fiction. But

1:29:31

it's the worst family.

1:29:34

Basically, the lady in red is

1:29:36

a very famous painting. It's like

1:29:38

a woman in red here.

1:29:41

Oh, very light. It's which was very

1:29:43

shocking. It's a very big

1:29:45

thing. So it's displayed everywhere.

1:29:47

It's match the gentleman in

1:29:49

red gear is owned privately. So it's

1:29:51

not displayed. But they were never paired

1:29:54

together because there was a huge divorce.

1:29:58

Oh, I sense that taintered love. coming

1:30:00

our way. Yeah, that sounds great.

1:30:02

So I just started reading

1:30:04

that and I'm really enjoying it so

1:30:06

far. So awesome. I haven't

1:30:09

really been watching anything

1:30:11

new. Lately

1:30:15

I am listening to a book called The

1:30:17

September House, which is a horror

1:30:19

novel. Okay. Oh, yeah.

1:30:22

It's interesting. Didn't it win one of the

1:30:24

Goodreads? It was. It did it win.

1:30:26

I know it was nominated. Yeah, it was definitely nominated. Holly

1:30:28

won. I noticed. One

1:30:31

of the categories, but I'm enjoying

1:30:33

it. I'm listening to it. I'm

1:30:35

enjoying it. Jury's out on how I feel. You

1:30:38

have to get to the end to really

1:30:41

know. Sure. Yeah. But

1:30:43

it's interesting. I did a little bit of

1:30:45

reading about the author and I think she's

1:30:47

got degrees in family psychology. Ooh, interesting. And

1:30:49

I'm like, well, that is good to know.

1:30:51

When I'm listening to the book, I'm like,

1:30:53

oh, that makes sense to me. And so

1:30:55

it's an interesting perspective. I like it. Interesting.

1:31:00

I am also reading. I just

1:31:03

picked up A Tale of Two Cities. I

1:31:05

was like kind of torn on when I wanted to

1:31:07

read. Winter feels like Dickens. Yeah. Winter

1:31:10

is very Dickens. Right. But I did watch

1:31:12

Mission Impossible, the new Mission Impossible movie. I

1:31:14

did, too. It's fucking good. I

1:31:17

loved it. But I love Mission Impossible.

1:31:19

I think they're fine. It's American James Bond.

1:31:21

Right. Absolutely. Yeah,

1:31:23

that's exactly. It's exactly what it is. It's

1:31:25

mindless. It's fun. It doesn't take

1:31:27

a lot of. It's just action.

1:31:29

Yeah. And you know what?

1:31:31

Mission Impossible, like you said, double a seven. Oh,

1:31:34

yeah. Perfect for that. Yeah.

1:31:37

Yeah. I liked it. Well,

1:31:39

if you guys have something that we should watch, if you

1:31:41

have a terrible date story, if you just want to reach out

1:31:43

and say, you know what? What's

1:31:45

up? How's it going? Go

1:31:48

to our one stop shop of a website. It

1:31:50

is my worst date podcast dot com. And we

1:31:53

love you so much. Cheers.