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1:31

While Bill welcome to the show, very

1:34

happy to have you on here today and for

1:36

people who do not know who you are.

1:38

You are doing prison

1:40

time in Panama right now. I think about

1:43

forty six years was your

1:45

sentence for being a hitman

1:47

and killing five Americans down

1:49

there. the shock and awe factor

1:51

of the introduction is totally

1:53

over. Bill, why don't you go ahead

1:55

and introduce yourself? Well, mine's

1:58

William Hall. William, Dave, and

1:59

everybody in whole world calls

2:02

me a while, Bill. I I'm

2:04

forty three years old. I'm

2:06

serving forty six years forty

2:08

six years and five months inside the

2:10

worst prison system in Central America

2:13

in Panama. I

2:15

have been in prison for twelve years since

2:17

in six months, and I was arrested

2:20

in two thousand ten, in July of two thousand

2:22

ten. Yeah. I'm serving

2:24

forty six years since we're big in Saint Bahama. So

2:26

I grew up in the United States. I grew up in North Carolina

2:29

mountains. So mister Ridney, hit from there.

2:31

And now I find myself

2:33

here. It's been a long

2:35

and crazy ride to get from one place

2:37

to another. I was a professional killer, a hitman,

2:40

and a car kill associate here in

2:42

Central America for the total

2:44

active between the years of two thousand and

2:46

five and two thousand and ten when I was arrested.

2:48

Oh, man. That is crazy. And I

2:50

cannot wait to find out how you got from

2:52

a kid in North Carolina to where

2:54

you are now

2:56

let's start off with your childhood, man.

2:58

Like, what kind of childhood do you have? Is it pretty

3:00

normal? Or was it a bad one? Or You

3:03

not really had a normal childhood. That's the thing

3:05

that, you know, people, like for

3:07

instance, I people people think of

3:09

a a killer or or like a serial killer.

3:11

They they they they try to brand to me as a

3:13

serial killer which scares me. I don't I don't wanna be a

3:15

serial killer. That sounds horrible. I mean, what I

3:17

did was bad enough, don't get me wrong, but

3:19

but I was a professional killer, meaning,

3:21

I've I've been killing for for hire for

3:23

money. I had a great childhood.

3:25

My parents had two you know, my parents lived

3:27

together. They were were married.

3:30

It was very know they were always

3:32

in church. And so I had a

3:34

really normal childhood. I didn't do any of that, like,

3:36

hurting animals or none of that stuff, you

3:38

know. and I just had a really

3:40

normal and good childhood. I played

3:42

American football high in school, married

3:45

my high school, sweetheart, had three kids

3:47

quickly, you know, it's a normal it's

3:49

a really normal life until

3:51

all of that sort of felt hard.

3:54

How do you get you asked earlier,

3:56

how do you get from, like, a normal

3:58

existence

3:59

to this man house existence

4:02

that I'm living now and have been living And I'll tell

4:04

you what happened to me. I I had always

4:06

had aspirations of being a

4:08

politician and when I got divorced.

4:10

The the one when when did it all go

4:12

wrong? I'll tell it to you. It's it's like this. I

4:14

got divorced. And because

4:17

we're in a custody battle and several other

4:19

things that actually gave us

4:21

both to to contempt the court. Found us both me

4:23

and my ex wife and contempt the court. And when

4:25

that happened, the court, and he gave me

4:27

three weeks and for the two weeks fourteen

4:29

days in person in jail. And

4:31

I lost it. I said, you are you are a

4:33

year mild. I lost it in court. I said, I'm played

4:35

by all of the room literally, and

4:37

I had. I really hadn't played by all the rules,

4:39

and and you're gonna put me in jail, I'm making

4:41

me a criminal. And so I'm talking, I

4:43

don't know. I snap. I really I mean, really broke

4:45

something out. I was trying really hard to do do

4:47

everything right and it was a terrible. It

4:49

was a really rough divorce, you know. And

4:51

and so I told my lawyer. My

4:53

lawyer's name was Bill DeGardo. He

4:55

was a this old country boy from

4:57

Western from Henderson, Illinois, Carolina.

5:00

And I told him I said, get me that thing on the weekends.

5:02

He'll tell him I'll do it on the weekend.

5:04

But he says, okay. He'll

5:06

do he'll serve the time, but he wants to serve on the

5:08

Kensey's got a job blah blah blah. I didn't have a

5:11

job. I was I'm on, you know, I was my own business. I had

5:13

my own business. But so he he

5:15

got me to let me do it on the weekends and I

5:17

you'll never see me again. It's the last time you'll never see

5:19

me. And I told him, I do I remember

5:21

specifically this line. I said because

5:23

I remember it over my mind. I said, if

5:26

they wanna see a fucking criminal, I'm gonna

5:28

show them the best damn criminal there

5:30

is, and I did. And that's exactly why

5:32

I did. I went mad. I not mad at Oh,

5:34

it really actually, really good at

5:36

what I was doing. And so I

5:38

I can't really talk about anything I didn't state

5:40

because I don't wanna have another case. And most of

5:42

those things have past the statute of

5:44

limitations, but never killed anybody in the United

5:46

States ever. But I did do some things I

5:48

shouldn't have done and and to a mass about

5:50

three hundred thousand dollars. And I had been to the

5:52

street, it's about three hundred thousand dollars. I took

5:54

a I put in hundred dollar bills. Three hundred thousand

5:56

dollars and seven hundred dollars business. It isn't very

5:58

much. I mean, it doesn't sound very much. It's very small,

6:00

actually. And so I put it on the

6:02

inside of my thighs. I was pretty fat back

6:04

then. And I did take it to the

6:06

inside of my thighs, snatched up

6:08

my my girlfriend, said, let's get out here.

6:10

But I got I I went to the Bahamas person

6:12

from Bahamas to Mexico

6:14

from Mexico to Belize and from Belize to

6:17

Sensio El Salvador, Wells Salvador to

6:19

Costa Rica. I had been to Costa Rica on

6:21

vacation in two thousand thirteen. it

6:24

was the only place I ever been outside the United States

6:26

except for Ireland. I went to Ireland what's as

6:28

well. And so I thought,

6:30

you know, when you don't know what you're doing, you

6:32

go where you know. and I went to

6:34

this, like, a super far out

6:36

jungle place in Costa Rica called Puerto

6:38

Rico in the Palomanca. So

6:40

I went back there and just kinda,

6:43

like, I don't know what I'm gonna do, but I got three hundred

6:45

grand, you know. And so that money

6:47

went fast. That's another thing when you're living as a

6:49

fugitive, your money goes fast and it's not like here's another

6:51

thing too. Like, if you're living as a fugitive, it didn't like you just

6:53

go and get a job, man. I mean, you can't put

6:55

roots in me or you can't buy any property, you

6:57

can't do anything that because, I mean, who who knows

6:59

what's gonna happen to you? And you're always looking over

7:01

your shoulder and so on and so forth, and

7:03

you might run anytime. And I didn't know how want

7:05

that I really was not very much. I think that

7:07

I felt I thought that I was really wanted,

7:10

but I was on I I didn't come out on

7:12

America as much wanted to want. But I

7:14

don't think that I was just wanted as I thought

7:16

I wasn't really looking for me. I mean,

7:18

like, I think when you are a fugitive, they just kinda

7:20

sit back and wait for you to screw up. And and -- Yeah. -- I

7:22

didn't because I wasn't in the United States, and they

7:24

didn't know I didn't know that I wasn't in in the United States.

7:26

So so they're just, like, waiting on you know, when you're

7:28

when you're, like, a few how

7:30

many tens or hundreds of thousands of

7:32

fugitives are there in the United States? I'm a bunch.

7:34

so the the government just sits back and wait until they

7:36

get stopped at a traffic stop or you get arrested

7:38

or something. Or if you make a mistake, then

7:40

while they, you know, they got your boyfriend. So that's

7:42

what that's how they chase you. So this because

7:44

a fugitive. Now, like, if you're a high profile

7:46

fugitive, maybe they do do some sort of manhood, but I

7:48

want them. So I started working as

7:50

a bug captain. I found this guy and

7:52

on accident. So they're working me just, like,

7:54

my cap and stands up. But every there's

7:56

another thing I wanna say. Everybody thinks,

7:59

like, hey, man, Central America is the Banana Republic,

8:01

you know, Costa Rica, Panama. Nicaragua.

8:04

I mean, there's no rules here, not

8:06

really. I mean, mister Golden

8:08

rule. Who the he who has to go rules, you

8:10

know? And so I started working for

8:12

this guy who who who moved

8:14

Asian people from the Panama Canal

8:16

up to Jamaica, and I assume

8:18

from there on in the United States, and they weren't

8:20

slaves. They weren't it was like a human trafficking

8:22

slavering. It was actually people

8:24

who paid, like, up to ten thousand mile

8:26

each to be smuggled in the United States. So

8:28

but we were doing, like, eighty a week out of there.

8:31

And so I'm, like, do two trips a week, sometimes

8:33

three. I mean, that would be, like, a hundred twenty. because I was saying

8:35

forty four five people. Sometimes

8:37

sixty here. And I took them from

8:39

because they're through on Panama to, like, almost

8:41

just outside of the Interview. Just just out

8:43

just still an Internet type Jamaican waters

8:45

in Jamaica, and then the Jamaican came off the

8:47

shore, picked them up and carried them in. I don't know what

8:50

happened to them, actually. And I started working. I was making

8:52

good money. It was, like, three point one thousand dollars a week. No. Three point

8:54

one thousand dollars a low. So, like, six thousand dollars a week, eight

8:56

thousand dollars a week. I was, like, forget money. I was

8:58

happy. And I don't wanna get too deep

9:00

into that. what they did is they assigned me a

9:02

security a guy who was supposed to work as

9:04

security because we're on a big boat boat for

9:06

forty, you know, Asian people. And so they

9:08

assigned me the security guy who was a guy

9:10

from United states, and he was just a total

9:12

disaster as a security.

9:14

Yeah. And I ended up went up getting to the police

9:16

spot and he got killed in the incident. I killed

9:18

it. I was defending myself.

9:20

that really happened. It's three o'clock in the morning

9:22

floating on an open ocean waiting on the BOSS Lake in the

9:24

Bay. So

9:25

what a friggin

9:26

nightmare that was? and

9:29

I would didn't know what to do. And

9:31

I was like, you know, I'm a fugitive.

9:33

So I'm like, oh, I'm gonna call the police and explain

9:35

that, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna executive involved in the

9:37

criminal enterprise. You know, I call the cops,

9:39

man. So I call the boss. I'm like, I got a

9:41

problem. He comes to see it and he says, no. He says,

9:43

actually, we have a problem. He said, we don't

9:45

have a you have a problem. I didn't

9:47

see shit. He said, here's your money. Here's

9:49

his money. You figure it out. I I

9:51

didn't see anything. I paid you both, so if

9:53

you live. and that was how they handled

9:55

it. Like, they don't know. They don't care, you

9:57

know. So I buried the body

9:59

and I I left. I left

10:01

the curtailed. I left I got out. didn't want

10:03

out of the fridge. I I moved. I

10:05

moved my my I moved house to another

10:07

place and just tried my very best to disappear,

10:09

which didn't work. and I came to Panama

10:11

to another site. I was living in Costa Rica at that

10:13

time. I was working at them. I was living in Costa Rica and

10:15

I'm and I did some really I I

10:17

went to a really cool time in Costa Rica. I haven't

10:20

told this anybody actually. So this would be like

10:22

the first time on your show. I

10:24

live in this place, in this country club.

10:26

Let's take this story out. This is this is Interview. There

10:28

was guy named Rolf. His name isn't rolled, actually.

10:30

But but I'm gonna call him Matt. He was

10:32

a German guy who had a like, he

10:34

ran horses. He was a pin. But, like, high end,

10:36

like, super I am. Right? So

10:38

we're sitting on that in this bar,

10:40

in this Western hotel,

10:42

in Iara Sue, like, the Iara Sue,

10:44

best Western hotel, and Sam was

10:46

like, Costa Rica, and I'm getting drunk.

10:48

And the reason I drank there is because it was mostly

10:50

Americans and stuff. And it was mostly

10:52

foreign not just Americans, but it's

10:54

it's patriots. And so he comes the system

10:56

beside me, and he's bitching. He

10:58

said, you know, I he said, I got a lot of money

11:00

and I'm in so I'm asking what he does, and

11:02

he didn't really tell me straight out. I mean, he didn't tell me

11:04

all I run horn. He didn't say that. But he

11:06

he's like, well, I'll do this on that, you know. Try

11:08

to keep everything happening. So I said, well, I said,

11:10

well, you you know, well, you pissed off about it. You

11:12

said, well, somebody disguised me it might be twenty five

11:14

thousand dollars. And it's not that it's the

11:16

money situation. It's that I can't have somebody

11:19

slide me in front of this crowd

11:21

because I said, well, well, I'll go get it

11:23

for you. And he said,

11:25

well, how he said, can you do it?

11:27

I said, yeah. Just give me the rest. I'm I'll go

11:29

get it. So I did. I went and took it by far

11:31

back. I went and got this fucking money. And

11:33

I brought in I brought in twenty five thousand dollars

11:35

in cash from the guy. I mean, that's

11:37

a story and a several leader there. And

11:39

I gave him the twenty five grand, and he

11:41

was, like, ecstatic. He was, like, holy

11:43

shit really. I'm, like, yeah, man. Here's your money.

11:45

And and I thought he's gonna give

11:47

three or four grand. He gets me twelve grand. He gives me half of

11:49

it because he said it was, like, it was, like, money that he'd lost.

11:51

He didn't even think I'm getting

11:53

it. So he invited me. to come

11:55

to the to his country. because he said, you know, I wanna

11:58

introduce you to some people. You're very efficient. And

12:00

I wanna I wanna introduce you to some people.

12:02

He said, do you have any good clothes? And I said, no.

12:04

I don't actually. And so he

12:06

sent me some. He sent me to get tailored. And I only

12:08

got tailored and you got, like, personalized them. So I

12:10

went to the the Berlin concentrate

12:12

club and Riyal

12:15

Karyatta. That's what we're Riyal Karyatta Country

12:17

Club, which is a like a city in San

12:19

Jose, but it's a city that's gated. It's a

12:21

literal gated city that the

12:23

police, man, you can go in, but everybody that

12:25

goes in doesn't live there, gets their gets their

12:27

identification number written down. She'll let me

12:29

check super safe. That's where the president

12:31

lives, and for all the people who live in the National

12:33

Assembly, they all the people who have money live there and

12:35

they're all members of that country club. So he takes me

12:37

to this country club, and he starts

12:39

introducing me around. and social

12:41

distancing around is, like, somebody can fix

12:43

problems. And so I'm, like, having a good time. You know,

12:45

I'm getting drunk and I'm, like, rubbing

12:47

elbows with, like, the most the richest people bam on. It

12:49

was really cool. And So there's this guy, and

12:51

he comes up to me as a judge. He's a he's a

12:53

circuit judge. They're a very important guy. He

12:55

comes up and he says, well, my daughter's

12:57

with plumbing guy. I don't want him to be with

12:59

her and blah blah blah. I really like it if you'd be

13:01

able to,

13:01

you know,

13:02

encourage him not to be with my daughter

13:04

because where and I wanted to marry up Pester

13:06

eighteen from our case, you know, system and so forth.

13:08

So I did. I went to put my bike all

13:10

back. I went and commenced a Colombian guy that he

13:12

wasn't gonna be with the girl, little girl anymore.

13:14

and it

13:14

worked. So the next

13:16

week, I go back to the meeting to talk to the

13:18

to go back to the country club, the next three days. Like,

13:20

three days later, I go back to the country club, and the

13:22

judge comes running across the

13:24

the room and, like, just this big hug in

13:26

front of everybody. And he said, oh, god. You saved my

13:28

family. I'm so excited. I'm so thankful. It's

13:30

so like, well, everything worked out to your ex

13:32

husband. He's like, yeah. thought maybe he'd give me four five

13:34

grand. He'd give me a check for twenty five thousand

13:36

dollars. So I'm like, holy

13:38

shit. This is cool to talk. And what I did

13:40

is I I talked to to the

13:42

German guy who runs positives.

13:44

But, anyway, they were talking about positives across the

13:46

thousands overnight. You know what I mean? Like, I am

13:48

stuck. He got me

13:49

set up with an apartment. they're

13:51

in the country club. I didn't do anything else

13:53

for, like, eight months except for work

13:55

in that country club there. And then I was

13:57

so happy. I would have been happy living there for

13:59

the rest of my life. I'm in was with a b

14:02

like, man. I mean, like, money, you

14:04

know, cars had a nice place to

14:06

live. I mean, like, you know, untouchable,

14:09

really. Just be in the muscle for

14:11

these Costa

14:11

Rica and and foreign wealthy

14:14

people.

14:15

But they comment one night to hang up and

14:17

get rid of a body and did. I

14:19

went I went and gave them mine. I said, what

14:21

we should do with it and they didn't follow it. And when they

14:23

didn't follow it, I said, well, screw it. I'm leaving. I'm not

14:25

gonna be a part of it. When you guys are like, what you guys

14:27

are gonna do is gonna give us some trouble. So, I

14:30

mean, I'm not gonna be part of that. We should do this.

14:32

We should do this with it, and they want to do another thing

14:34

with it. So I

14:36

I left in, like, the buddy I

14:38

found sure enough. And my name came

14:40

out in the in, like, the people that were

14:42

wanting to talk about somebody's writing, somebody was

14:44

writing about who who was there, somebody squeezing

14:46

on us and telling us who who was there. So I

14:48

had to leave district on the left of that

14:50

black system, but that was the best

14:52

black system that I ever lived ever. kill

14:54

anybody, didn't have to kill anybody. And and I was

14:57

just working this, like, this muscle for

14:59

those guys. And and that was a really good I mean, even

15:01

now even the devil. it was

15:03

such a good time. It's a shame and it got screwed

15:05

up. But then when I came, I had to run

15:07

again. I mean, like, I could run to make a ride or a

15:09

Panama. I gotta go to one or another. now I'm

15:11

so I'm so hot. I can't travel in the air.

15:13

I can't travel on plane because I

15:15

can't leave Costa Rica on a plane because they've got my

15:17

name on a list. So the only way I only way I can go

15:19

to Nicaragua or I can go to Panama,

15:21

Nicaragua was a shit hole. I mean, there's

15:23

nothing there. There's no work for a guy

15:25

like me there. There's no money there.

15:27

And in Panama, you know, it's a fairly wealthy country. Not

15:29

as wealthy as Costa Rica, by the way. Costa Rica

15:31

is like Beverly Hills. But Panama is a fairly

15:33

for a third world country, I mean, it's fairly

15:36

a wealthy. It's a developing nation, but it's fairly wealthy

15:38

country. And so and there are a lot of foreigners there.

15:40

And that's the thing. I got like me, I can't go to

15:42

somewhere there's no foreigners to stick out a

15:44

piece of salt in a in a pepper shake or, you know, if

15:46

you can, you gotta get some more of their people like you

15:48

to be able to recover your foot. So when I

15:50

was in Panama, I wasn't in Panama

15:52

very long, didn't know what to do, and this is funny. I didn't

15:54

know what to do. So I went to this place called Bookhead thing.

15:56

Bookhead, there's a little expat, American

15:58

expat town, and I set

15:59

up shop here. didn't know

16:01

what to do. So I'm like, what am I gonna do? So

16:03

I gotta come up with a new gig, you know? So what

16:05

I did is I rented an office on the on

16:08

the square. And I set up shop as a

16:10

psychiatrist, Dr. William Rees, was my

16:12

name. I was Dr. William Rees, and I set up an

16:14

as a psychiatrist to the to

16:16

the the expat community, the expatriate

16:18

community there, and I started treating patients,

16:20

ma'am. I was, like, freaking money there too.

16:22

Oh, shit. And I went off

16:24

about eight months went over about

16:26

eight months. Then

16:27

I and I got to go all the big parties. And, actually,

16:29

I played cards with me at Gibson, I was

16:31

telling

16:31

a girl about this other day. I

16:34

I got the plate cards from the I give some there

16:36

and and buy a Escondido, which is a

16:38

dedicated community there. And as doctor

16:40

William, as a psychiatrist, doctor William

16:42

Reid, then one day one

16:44

of the guys from one of my old buddies from the

16:47

cartel noticed me there or, I

16:49

guess, I might enough notice to where they saw me,

16:51

and they pulled me back in. when they pulled

16:53

me back in, it was like, you're gonna

16:55

do what we're gonna say or we're gonna put you guys in

16:57

jail, you know, we didn't know what you did, you

16:59

know how we know. And I was like, screwed,

17:01

literally, like, screwed. So I went back to doing the

17:03

same thing again. I went back to having to work

17:05

as a a ship captain or boat

17:07

captain, my ship, because a boat captain for

17:09

for those guys carrying Chinese folks, human

17:13

trafficking. I did that for, again,

17:15

for this little while. And

17:17

in my lap, I was really unhappy

17:19

be. You know, I get drink a lot

17:21

a lot. And, I mean, I had a lot

17:23

of money. I had a great deal of money, but my lap

17:25

was real shit. I mean, it was just

17:27

a terrible life. I'm not joking to you. This is no. We're talking.

17:29

We're about we're in two thousand and six, two

17:33

thousand and six. My life was a

17:35

real hell I'm controlled by people

17:37

who I don't care about. I'm I'm

17:39

intuitive. I'm really out of shape. I was really

17:41

fat. I was spending all my money

17:43

on hoes. mean, just been straight and go and cocaine,

17:45

food, shit like that. And

17:47

I mean, and it it was just a terrible life.

17:49

I mean, I mean, I'm not gonna lie to

17:51

you, man. mean, if you wake up

17:53

and or you you go out or even and

17:55

you're with four naked chicks in a bed and you

17:57

go on Mountain Acote, and it's a good day. I

17:59

mean, you're gonna have

17:59

no. But

18:01

you can't confuse a a pleasure

18:03

with happiness because there are two different things completely.

18:06

because tomorrow, then the host go back to their husbands

18:08

and shit. In that amount of cocaine is gone,

18:10

and and now you gotta go back to work, kill

18:12

people to keep that terrible

18:15

lifestyle. So my life was really

18:17

terrible. In that time

18:19

period, III contemplate killed

18:21

myself several times, and I

18:23

just figured I never ever even remotely

18:25

thought I'd get a prison because I've

18:27

been so he I had so easily invaded the

18:29

authorities my whole life. I mean, you

18:31

know, I've been a criminal, a career criminal now for

18:33

about ten years and might have been really easy

18:35

for me to not that long, but, like, six

18:37

years. And it would have been really easy for me

18:39

every single turn day. They'd be parties.

18:41

And so I I became kind

18:43

of arrogant about that, but I thought

18:45

that somebody would kill me because

18:48

I off my old boss and and to become the

18:50

boss. And so I

18:52

figured that's probably what happened to me and

18:54

and no big deal. Right? Because I had a

18:56

good run. then

18:57

I don't wanna talk

18:58

about individual murders, individual cases,

19:00

stuff like that. But what happened to me

19:02

was I got ratted on and

19:04

had to run from Panama and

19:07

through a crazy, crazy

19:09

scheme of events ended up in Nicaragua and

19:11

getting picked up in Nicaragua but Nicaragua

19:14

military, deep into

19:16

the general trying to help trying to escape.

19:18

But, I mean, like, I'm on every television shit that set

19:20

the nation for me. I was like, you remember when that?

19:22

Recently when that guy escaped from

19:24

prison with that chick. It was a security

19:26

guard. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

19:28

Definitely. And Panama and Costa Rica and Nicaragua, I

19:30

was bigger than that. I mean, I was,

19:32

like, on the TV for, like, an hour every day in the military. Where's

19:34

the one that started talking about heavy either,

19:36

where is a wild bill? Where is a

19:38

wild bill? And, you know, like, like,

19:40

in the jungle watching this on a on a battery

19:42

operator that said, you know, my ass is so

19:44

crooked. It's tearing a hole in the seat, you know. I'm

19:46

scared of this. So it was situation.

19:49

And then through a just a

19:51

real just an accident, the Nicaragua

19:53

military picked me up, and they only picked me up because they're,

19:55

like, why is there a green go? How here

19:57

in the jungle, and they picked me up, and then they picked me

19:59

up in Iowa and found me

19:59

where it was. And the

20:02

madness

20:02

began, and

20:04

they cloomed me I don't know what the city.

20:06

You know, and I've got my wife with me. She was

20:08

my wife or my girlfriend. She was and

20:10

she lived there as my wife. She wasn't ever my wife. I

20:12

never married her, but but I

20:15

introduced her everywhere to my wife, and she lived

20:17

as my wife. And I said, they they they took

20:19

us both on the plane, all

20:21

dirty, I'm, like, eating or bathed

20:23

in, like, two weeks when they stick

20:25

us on plain sense, like, man, I arrived

20:27

and pan them off. and

20:29

the president of Panama who's actually somebody I know

20:31

now who actually I get along with

20:33

very well. But back in those, they didn't know me.

20:35

Obviously, I'm just a monster stuff for

20:37

Helen. Ricardo Montelli was his

20:39

name. And he is he organized a

20:42

huge press conference that we've captured the beast,

20:44

you know, like King Kong is gonna

20:46

come off plane, and that's what happened. I the plane. They took a

20:48

camera in my face, and they they were like, lower

20:50

your head and put this rag over your

20:52

head. I'm like fuck you. I'm not lowering

20:54

my head from nobody. I'm a

20:56

while, Bill. I thought I might get a joke. I thought I might

20:58

get a joke out of the whole thing. So Mark

21:00

Stanley, I didn't speak that good Spanish, I mean, but it

21:02

was I mean, it's worked fairly well. well, but I mean,

21:04

not like I do now. I'm fluent now. I'm like like a no like a local.

21:06

But back in those days, I spoke fairly well.

21:08

And Martin nearly spoke he's talking to

21:11

prison he says, hey, well, we wanna thank the

21:13

Panamanian forces for capturing

21:15

this monster and I raised my

21:17

chain hands and all the

21:19

camera CBC ABC, NBC. I

21:21

mean, like, all the c's, you know,

21:24

telemetro, telepeka from Costa Rica, all

21:26

the news camera turned and

21:28

they're on the beast and we're gonna listen to what is the beast going

21:30

to say? And I said, hey, boss, excuse

21:33

me, but the panel my

21:35

name is Dorys or a bunch of dipshit. Y'all left me goes, the

21:38

Nicaragua captured me. And

21:40

it was this complete silence.

21:42

that draws on for, like, eight seconds, and

21:44

then somebody started to laugh, and

21:47

everybody started to laugh. And so then they asked me,

21:49

so what do you think about what do you think

21:51

about your future? I said, well, the future is unsure for everybody,

21:53

but I feel pretty good about the future. And they said,

21:55

well, what do you think

21:58

about being captured and brought back. I'm like,

22:00

well, I feel pretty good. They just gave me a

22:02

free plane ride on the private plane, and

22:04

now I'm going to La Jolla for that case. a

22:06

lawyer, a person here. And I said, I'm going

22:08

to a lawyer for a little vacation, and I'm sure we'll

22:10

work something out. And everybody just

22:12

died laughing, you know, like, that's not what they were

22:14

expecting at all. really respected me, like, Bill

22:16

Shane, to be, like, some kind of crazy

22:18

monster or some stuff like Angela, but then they they

22:20

took me to the district attorney's office and then the man

22:22

just began. Now all of the things I'm talking to

22:24

you about from the moment I was from the

22:26

moment I picked myself up and

22:28

ran from Panama, I wrote in a

22:30

memoir and the first year my first year

22:32

in prison, I wrote about you know, both I I

22:34

probably should go along with the King Wild Bill if

22:36

you guys will find or more about me. Yeah. When

22:38

you guys still check that book out along with

22:40

the King We'll pick it up on

22:42

Amazon. Also, if you wanna interact with me,

22:44

anybody that's out there in the world listening can interact

22:46

directly with me,

22:48

by

22:48

either going to Facebook at friends

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of brother Bill or you can

22:51

go to Instagram at holiness

22:54

Bill and I'll ask the our

22:56

generous host, JR. He won't post those on

22:59

somewhere. I'm just able to figure

23:01

it out. For the listeners, I'll post

23:03

those links in the episode

23:05

description along with Twitter

23:07

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23:48

h. Let me ask your opinion. What what there's

23:50

another book written about you as well,

23:53

wasn't there? the

23:54

the Jabber router a real hot sticker

23:56

with them, but I like to I like to address that.

23:58

I've been trying to address that guy. I've been trying

23:59

on there. You gotta call Address him right now if you want

24:02

to have if you want? No.

24:03

Absolutely not. But

24:06

if you wanna air it out, air it out. because

24:08

I I saw that when I was looking

24:10

for your Exactly.

24:11

Here's what happened about that. In two thousand

24:13

thirteen, my lawyer Claudia Alvarado was

24:15

a good friend of mine, a dear friend of mine, like

24:18

my sister. said, hey, Bill. We got a guy

24:20

who's gonna write a book about you. Let's make some money. I

24:22

said, let's do it. You know? because, like, shit at

24:24

being famous hasn't paid me anything to the

24:26

moment since two thousand thirteen. I wasn't

24:28

even didn't even have a sentence

24:30

yet. And by this time, I'd already

24:32

put myself in charge completely of the prison. I

24:34

was like, running the prison

24:36

there, and and this this prison doesn't

24:38

exist anymore called, but they need public prison.

24:40

Anyway, so this guy,

24:42

Nick Auster comes down to his skinny guy. I

24:44

told dressed British guy.

24:46

English guy comes in and shakes my hands just

24:48

then we sit down and say, okay, dude. Well, give

24:50

me your proposal what you wanna do. So while I'm

24:52

writing a book, about you. I mean, I can't write a book about you that I'm

24:54

talking to Ryan. So I'm like, okay. Cool. Let's do an

24:57

interview, man. So I'll give give me ten thousand

24:59

dollars. I'll do the interview. the cell phone was a very meager

25:01

somehow. Understand before anybody said, oh, you agreed

25:03

invested with Heyman, in Family, in Brisbane,

25:05

they don't give you soap, they don't give you talk. They don't give

25:07

you food. They don't they don't give you food. They don't

25:09

give you uniform. They're a balance sheet. If you

25:11

don't have any money, you're fucking die. So,

25:13

I mean, this is the reality

25:15

of of how have to generate cash. It's

25:17

not like, oh, I'm being greedy because

25:19

I want candy bar. No. I mean, like, if I

25:21

don't make any like, I just hit my

25:23

girlfriend today, that buy my food, that was three hundred

25:25

dollars per month, just for the food just for my

25:27

food, you know, a frequent book. Mhmm.

25:29

So I said to

25:31

him, So I like, here I am airing

25:33

out my the complaints of my life to you

25:35

guys, new listeners. But, I mean, it's just the truth, you know,

25:37

you have to generate cash in order. Plus, if you

25:39

give me ten grand in Interview your says, well,

25:41

it's not ethical for me to pay a murderer to talk

25:43

about murders. I'm like, it's not ethical for you to pay

25:45

my murder. It's ethical for

25:48

to make a million dollars off sale in a fucking book.

25:51

And and I said, well, I want to

25:53

my exact words were, well, why don't you just

25:55

go and book yourself? So I got up,

25:57

I stood up, and I walked out of the

26:00

room, and he left. Then,

26:02

like, three two years later, I don't remember

26:04

how long earlier? Two years later, I saw

26:06

that he published a book called the John Roberts associate for

26:08

a base on an interview that he had with me.

26:10

He never had an interview. never occurred. And and

26:12

I read some I didn't read I wouldn't I wouldn't

26:14

buy a certain piece of garbage, but I

26:17

read in one of the reviews where he talked about

26:19

and how he had confronted me

26:21

man, I would have door his head

26:23

off if he's talking me that way. What's he

26:25

talking about? The world is just gone.

26:28

And and, you know, Western journalism

26:31

is early like, Dragon. It's supposed to be like a

26:33

like a respected journalist, man. What

26:35

a bunch of crap. Anyway, so that

26:37

book is garbage. Please don't buy it. Or

26:39

if you do buy it, take it with because

26:41

it saw it's a fantasy. Yeah. I read

26:43

a lot of the reviews on it, and they

26:45

were basically saying, well, I mean, he

26:47

he tried some of them were very

26:49

a very concrete view. So so you

26:52

should know that. So but, I

26:54

mean, it's a pretty pretty ridiculous story

26:57

and and then another run-in I had with

26:59

media. And I'll tell you something. So I live

27:01

I'll I'll go like this. I live nine years

27:03

in the the big public prison

27:06

as the I organized the religious

27:08

services. I organized

27:10

the mafia into a workable

27:12

system on the inside where they didn't kill

27:14

any each other anymore. And I

27:16

put myself in a position

27:18

to be benefited enormously

27:21

financially because of that.

27:23

And because of that line, when you're great

27:25

fishing parties, with

27:27

more money than they make in their salary like

27:29

the head prison guard makes sense. The

27:31

head the head of the security

27:33

chief of the jail, like, twelve hundred dollars a month, but

27:35

I'm giving two thousand dollars a month. Who does he work for? He works for

27:37

me. So I had a really good

27:39

line. But one thing happened,

27:40

I I was really

27:42

I

27:42

mean, I grew a conscience. It's hard to believe for a

27:44

guy like, no. No. But I accepted Jesus Christ

27:46

as my personal savior and that's hard to let people

27:48

believe this is true. and I

27:51

I grew up conscious when I was there.

27:53

And I I saw how the people who were

27:55

poor, the actual pentamancia, who were

27:57

poor were living. mean, it was defensible.

27:59

I mean, there are guys there that would, like, eat up with tuberculosis

28:01

and aids and stuff and stuff. So we're trying to

28:03

do something for those guys. We

28:06

all tuberculosis, I cured. I didn't do it myself

28:08

with my not my magic hand, but I

28:11

unorganized. I organized to drive the

28:13

cure. all tuberculosis in the prison,

28:15

all the the ladies from the churches in

28:17

the United States, you know, helped us and and we

28:19

got that done. And that was a completely honest thing

28:21

that I did. I'm really proud of actually. I

28:23

don't know how many we like, twenty six guys. So I don't know how many

28:25

guys would have died. Several I mean, at least half of

28:27

the guys would have died if we did the conference, that

28:29

was good. And then And so we

28:31

did some things but I grew a conscience about watching

28:34

how the authorities treated mistreated

28:36

the back. Like, there were guys there who were serving

28:38

more time than they were even supposed to because

28:40

they lost their papers and then instead of letting them go, they're just

28:42

like, I fucking leave them there. So I started to speak

28:45

another about that. And I I

28:47

was in my room one day. A

28:49

lady named Sophie Evans from the Daily

28:51

Mirror contacted me. Sophie

28:53

Evans said she wanted to go British

28:56

newspaper reports that you wanna do a story about the

28:58

human rights in Panama. And I said that'd be great.

29:00

That's exactly what I wanted to do. And I

29:02

asked her to I didn't interview her,

29:04

and she asked me about how I lived compared with

29:06

the other prisoners. And I said, well, I want I don't want you

29:08

to do it. Sorry about me. I want it to

29:10

be about prisons, because I don't

29:12

need the heat. So she

29:14

she said she wanna do an interview above the line.

29:16

As long as I'm still pretty short, she made

29:18

the interview about me. all

29:20

the privileges that I have in prison and showed the

29:22

showed the video call which she promised she wouldn't

29:24

do online. Oh, man. because the government

29:26

of Panama's flu ups. and this was

29:28

in the early part of two thousand nineteen.

29:30

And they began trying to transfer me to this

29:33

new hill called sector

29:35

c. was a new place that they had made for enemies of the state,

29:37

like prisoners that are like, not like

29:39

dangerous, not

29:39

like Hannibal Lecter prisoners, but prisoners

29:41

that they're angry with, And

29:45

so in October, I lost that

29:47

battle, and they come and pick me up and put

29:49

me into this place here. I've been

29:51

here for three years and a few months, and

29:53

this if you wanna know what hell it is,

29:55

man. I was a really good person.

29:57

They wouldn't hardly any murders. I mean, it's

29:59

cool here. Somebody dies

29:59

every few days. They're forty eight hours somebody's

30:02

murder. We just had a gun bow here

30:04

last Saturday, a week ago the day. I

30:06

saw that video. Another

30:08

reason for the listeners to follow him

30:10

on Instagram is because I saw that

30:12

video. Mhmm. That was pretty

30:14

intense, man. The first,

30:15

you check this out. The first year that I was here

30:17

that had a gun by all the kill.

30:19

Fifteen, fifteen prisoners for your prisoner on prison.

30:21

We're talking about gun, but we're talking about gun violence. We're talking, prisoner on

30:24

prisoner's here. walk around with almost all of my arms with handguns, and then

30:26

there's the occasional y k forty

30:28

seven on the inside of prison. You know,

30:30

this is this is a hell on

30:32

earth. And I'm I'm writing. Actually, it's

30:34

done. I finished in my second book

30:36

called Concentrationcamp two thousand, and it's

30:38

about it's a play by play account of

30:40

what happened during the

30:43

twenty nineteen La Jolla

30:46

Christmas massacre that's

30:48

documented also in the New

30:51

York Times covered that story actually, you know, back in two

30:53

thousand nineteen at Christmas time. So I think it was the

30:55

seventeenth of December two

30:57

thousand nineteen. Anyway, fifteen

30:59

gang members were killed in a in a,

31:01

like, war that happened to split the

31:03

gang. And, like, people said back from, like, half is that

31:06

even possible? how can they have a gang more inside a prison for a

31:08

fifteen when, like, all these people are killed with guns and

31:10

stuff. And and if you want another answer, the way

31:12

to the book comes out, it'll be on the in sometime

31:14

in February and go pick it up.

31:16

and then that book concentration camp two thousand

31:18

bills won with that

31:21

massacre. It's the only accounts. It

31:23

only written account. First, I witnessed

31:25

I spoke to all the guys who were involved. I

31:27

mean, I talked to people outside. I mean, they were

31:29

they they happened during a family visit, meaning,

31:32

little kids were hearing stuff and even

31:34

when little kid got smashed in the head by a

31:36

cop and killed a cop almost killed

31:38

this little kid like, an eight year old kid with

31:40

a with a, you know, stick with

31:42

a, you know, a biddie club. You hit

31:44

him in the head. It was just a a whole bunch of

31:46

crazy shit happened. It's on on

31:48

the book. Then I I wrote about sector c. What is

31:50

sector c? Sector c is

31:52

a soft portrait or higher facility that

31:54

Panama runs for the international community and

31:56

put himself especially for the international

31:58

community. And and, you know, the

31:59

things that happen there here, as well as the

32:02

third part of the book deals with the wisdom

32:04

that I've learned being under such pain

32:06

for the last, you know, twelve years, but especially

32:08

the last three years. And

32:10

here in hell, I'm the pastor of the church,

32:12

which is difficult to believe, but

32:14

but it's true. I I preached

32:17

tomorrow. Actually, I preached Mondays,

32:19

Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays

32:21

here. And we talk about things

32:23

like how to change

32:25

our awareness about about treating other people

32:27

that we wanna be treated. We talk obviously

32:29

about Jesus Christ. We talk

32:31

about treating other people how you want to be treated we

32:34

talk about. Like tomorrow, we're

32:36

talking about how

32:37

our mouths are our devices

32:39

that that God looks

32:41

too. Like, if I say to you that

32:44

I I hate myself. Everything's bad

32:46

in my life. Gotcha. Yes. That's exactly

32:48

how it is. But say to my if I said, you

32:50

man, these are not so bad. They're gonna get better. God says,

32:52

yes. That's exactly what's gonna happen to you. So we

32:54

have to be careful about what we'd

32:56

say. we have

32:56

to be careful about how we can

32:58

think. A lot of us are here because of low self

33:01

esteem. We think that the only thing that we can do is kill

33:03

people, hurt people, rob people, sit like them. And so

33:05

we're working with these kids the young kids. There's

33:07

twenty two guys in our church here,

33:09

and I work with these young kids trying to keep them

33:11

from being like me.

33:13

and you wouldn't believe it's

33:15

crazy. This is this always shocked me once in

33:17

my system, but they hit me all the time. I can't I'm

33:19

I wanna be like you, be like, oh my god. You wanna want a

33:22

forty six year sentence for homicide. Nobody wanna be

33:24

famous for it. Although, if I'm not a singer or something,

33:26

man, if you wanna be famous, don't kill people. You

33:28

know, do something, you know, better than

33:30

that. So that's what my life's I've

33:32

changed my life over and took one of the reasons I'm

33:34

doing I'm obviously trying to sell books, and

33:36

that's true. Yeah. Trying to gain attention for

33:38

one on in Panama. But but, like,

33:40

really, the main reason that I'm doing what I'm

33:42

doing is because I I wanna get something back

33:44

to society. Not just this. I don't really care about

33:46

society. you want the truth, but I wanna give something back

33:48

to these kids who have never had kids. You got

33:51

kids walking around here, but from the time they

33:53

were three years old, their mother was off It

33:55

ain't nobody cared about them their whole life. They

33:57

were walking around the street and all alone. And the

33:59

only family they know are the other gangbusters. You

34:02

have the other gangbusters

34:04

kids. So they run up and down the street being a gang that

34:06

happens. And that's the only thing is they know they don't know anything else. So I

34:08

asked you as this kid who has no education

34:10

at all. Maybe he can

34:12

read, maybe can't? Is he gonna grow up to be a doctor or a lawyer? No. He's gonna grow up to be

34:14

a gang banger because that's the only thing that he

34:16

knows we gotta reach those kids.

34:17

Yeah. That's honestly a big part for

34:20

me is What what do

34:22

you think about the people who were like,

34:24

oh, this guy turned to Christianity,

34:26

such a hypocrite, you know, he killed

34:28

five people and didn't give a shit then? Why

34:30

does he give shit now.

34:32

Going on that, you talked about

34:34

a little bit ago having a conscience

34:36

now. What was going

34:39

through your when you actually took the

34:42

first hit job

34:44

compared to when you took the

34:47

last hit job. from the first one to the last

34:49

one. Was did get easier? Did your conscience

34:52

just kind of go away a

34:54

little bit more each time? How did that

34:56

all be

34:58

fall inside you?

35:00

I think that

35:01

even the first, I I

35:03

used the excuse. Well, I'm

35:06

just a weapon. I'm not killing me. I don't want to kill

35:08

these people. I'm just a weapon. And if I don't do it

35:10

somebody else will, and that's true,

35:12

there's not a lot. That's not a lie. If I didn't do it

35:14

somebody else with him. that

35:15

doesn't justify what I did. Does it? I

35:17

mean, it really doesn't. But that's

35:18

the justification I use in the time

35:20

when like, if you like to

35:22

kill people, you're sick. There's something wrong with you. You

35:25

know, if you enjoy hurting other

35:27

people, there's something wrong

35:30

with you. I didn't join. I was it was really nerve wracking

35:32

to me. From beginning to end, I was always

35:34

nervous before a job. And I could go over

35:36

sixteen times in my mind how I was gonna

35:38

do it. Like, I

35:39

never you get I know guys that

35:42

they were, like, psychopaths that enjoyed killing

35:44

people, enjoyed hurting people and stuff,

35:46

but I tried

35:46

and this doesn't make it any better, but I mean, it just talks about who I am. You're asking who

35:48

am I? Well, I I everything I always did the

35:51

job in a way that nobody knew they were

35:53

gonna die until they were dead. like,

35:55

literally,

35:55

like, nobody had an any idea of what

35:57

was about to happen because I I don't think that

35:59

I have the balls to say, okay, JR. I've been

36:02

sent to kill you. Now you're going

36:04

to die. I don't. Yeah. It ain't a movie. Yeah.

36:06

Exactly. I'm It seems

36:08

like a lot of people can go wrong. I mean, if some

36:10

guy in some guy knows that he's

36:12

gonna die. like, he's

36:13

gonna fight like, hell, you know what I mean? Because he knows he's gonna

36:15

die. So he ain't gonna just I mean, like, not

36:17

everybody. There are people who would just roll over, but

36:19

you don't even

36:20

know who is and who isn't. So I mean,

36:22

like, it's better to keep the mark happy Yeah. --

36:24

before they get

36:24

So I

36:25

was nervous. Like, horribly nervous

36:28

every

36:28

time, like, I

36:30

didn't want something wrong. I didn't want to go myself. And afterwards, it was

36:32

a, like, a great relief. I'm like, oh my god. That's over.

36:34

You know? Yeah. And so this is

36:36

how I've been I found it

36:38

before. And this

36:39

is how I define it again at the time

36:41

period. This is a crude analogy. Man.

36:44

Like, if I bring you a third on a

36:46

plate, a piece of shit. I'm afraid, and I say to

36:48

you, I'm gonna give you eight million dollars

36:50

if you keep this human fur fur.

36:52

You take about a third, you know. It's eight

36:54

million bucks. money

36:56

and you go. But that doesn't mean that doesn't

36:58

mean that you like to eat shit. You know that, you

37:00

know, you know, you got a shit quote from Azure

37:02

just because I mean, that's me. I didn't enjoy

37:05

killing people. It was just a whole way

37:07

to continue that horrible lifestyle, but I thought

37:09

that I needed to live. At the end,

37:12

by the end of the time, I was, like, didn't have a conscious. I had drowned

37:14

my conscious and alcohol in the vaginas,

37:16

strange women. So, I mean, I

37:18

didn't have a conscience at

37:20

all by the time that

37:22

I left. And I don't think it was, like, three

37:24

or four months after I was even arrested. And when

37:26

I was sober, in life.

37:28

I could look at my life and see you've

37:30

destroyed your own life and the life of many other

37:32

people. Are you imbalanced? And I realized that,

37:34

you know, these are actions that

37:36

causes, I can't blame anybody else. because when you're doing shit

37:38

like that, you blame everybody else even though it's the

37:40

situation. Nobody understands my situation. I

37:42

mean, wouldn't it have been better if just go back in the time machine

37:44

and do the two weeks if it just gave me and

37:46

what's the North Carolina when I was when I was, you

37:48

know, twenty five years old. But, you know,

37:51

don't have a time machine and so I can't do anything about it. The

37:53

only thing I can do is to day forward, you

37:55

asked me, what would I say about people? Say, well, you

37:57

turn to Christian because you're in prison. I didn't have to

37:59

turn

37:59

to Christian because I'm in

38:02

prison.

38:02

I actually could do a whole

38:04

lot better for myself if I didn't. If

38:06

I was really corrupt, actually. I

38:08

I did. the

38:09

first few corrupt market

38:12

organizer. And so I'm not

38:14

doing

38:15

that anymore. because I don't

38:17

want to. I'm not doing any work because I took the decision I made the decision to do the

38:19

right thing. And my champion is just

38:21

certainly not. I'm

38:24

not I'm not gonna be an

38:26

example or or I don't think that I am an example, but it

38:28

makes me happy when I

38:30

was killing people, when I was

38:34

free.

38:34

I couldn't

38:35

sleep. It took me a liter

38:37

of vodka every night, you know,

38:39

a thousand

38:39

milliliters, a little bit more, a little bit less

38:41

than a quarter locked there or

38:43

not just to sleep. I mean, he didn't know

38:45

who was gonna kill you. He didn't know who was gonna you

38:47

know, was there a little helicopter with, you know,

38:49

SWAT being dressed in black

38:51

gonna drop on of my house in the middle

38:53

of the night, you know, you don't know what's gonna happen. So, I mean, there's, like, no

38:56

rest ever. And and

38:58

I was really unhappy with everybody and including

39:02

myself. Today, after this interview, I'm gonna roll up on the

39:04

bed. I'm gonna go sleep like a baby wake up

39:06

five o'clock in the morning to go do my job

39:08

and do my and I enjoy my life.

39:10

My so

39:12

good. mean,

39:12

I'm in hell. I'm living in hell. I'm living in horrible situation.

39:14

There's death all around me,

39:15

but I'm happy. You

39:18

know?

39:19

the And I'm

39:20

happy because I'm doing the right thing in my consciousness clean

39:22

for the first time in

39:23

my whole life. Yeah. And that's a

39:25

big thing, man.

39:26

That's never

39:28

really heard it put that way, and that's that's a good way of

39:30

putting it, I guess, man. Like, I

39:33

couldn't imagine getting away with

39:35

it for so long. I

39:37

would think for me, like, after the first one, I would

39:39

have just been so fucking paranoid

39:41

man and just getting away with it time

39:43

and time again. Like, how'd you get away

39:45

with it for so long?

39:47

I was pretty good

39:48

at my job. I mean, my

39:51

job was to kill

39:52

people from Miami like somebody says, you

39:55

know, it's not it's not even like getting away with it. It's if

39:57

your clients get away with it, you get away with it. Mhmm.

39:59

You know what I mean? Because, like, a professional

40:02

killer, I mean, like, even in

40:04

the States, there's a lot of professional killers in the states, you know, lot.

40:06

And, I mean, I don't know how many. I

40:08

wouldn't even dare it yes, but I said,

40:10

I have more than a thousand right now

40:12

operating a

40:14

lot more than a thousand miles per right and all place. And

40:16

most of

40:17

the time, people just go

40:18

missing. You know, you know, they don't there's

40:21

no body, there's no crime. And

40:24

so if you clean up and do your job well, there's really very

40:26

little chance that you're gonna actually be arrested.

40:28

In the United States, I don't know

40:31

these statistics are old. I'm

40:33

looking up in years, but I'm sure it's probably still the same,

40:35

you know, in the last five years, I've seen the

40:37

statistics in, like, about forty or thirty five percent

40:39

of homocides in the space going

40:42

resolved. Yeah. Oh,

40:42

yeah. So it's not strange that a murder would go on a low in the

40:44

United States or Europe or from where? It's actually

40:47

more now. It's about sixty. sixty

40:50

percent Did they undergo? Yeah. About sixty percent

40:53

go unsolved. And I mean, that's yeah.

40:55

It's a well,

40:58

unfortunately, like, they a

41:00

lot of the bigger cities are a

41:02

lot more understaffed. So

41:04

that's just like an

41:06

average number. So, like, a lot

41:08

of the bigger cities kinda push that

41:10

number up quite a bit

41:12

for all the other places that

41:14

are actually you know, solving

41:16

murders and shit. But, yeah, last night, I

41:18

think it was about sixty. Yanked

41:19

my it'd be really hard to solve a murder in

41:21

a game, somewhere there's a lot of gangs because nobody saw

41:24

nothing and That's right. How

41:26

are you gonna solve that?

41:27

How did you get caught? I

41:29

the client

41:31

the client to to ask me

41:32

to kill his wife and I did. I didn't

41:34

want to. I try to refuse that job. I refuse

41:36

a lot of jobs and I'll I'll refuse that

41:40

job. and then the the the guys who ran our our

41:42

operations community said, no. This guy is a big

41:44

time truck. You know? I'm doing great for you. Gotta do the job.

41:46

And I said, no. I refused again. And

41:49

then they set up, you know, people to encourage me to do

41:52

the job. So I

41:54

decided, well, I gotta do it. So I did the job.

41:56

It was really hard for me to do it actually because I knew

41:58

the girl. Mhmm.

42:00

So, you know, I did the job. And then

42:02

the same guy I read it because

42:04

his family became her family

42:06

came looking for the girl. looking

42:08

for her. And he I

42:11

was in Costa Rica on vacation in the

42:13

mountains. I had a little cabin up in the mountains

42:15

next to Curioja, which is an volcano

42:18

beautiful. Like, a a view of the active

42:20

volcano every day for a thing

42:21

and beautiful thing. And

42:23

I didn't even know what's

42:25

going on. And I'm a friend demand

42:27

from the Panamanian, which

42:28

is Bijay. Bijay, which

42:31

is the same as was

42:33

like the

42:33

pan the American FCI. It's the

42:35

Panama's version of that. He he called me. I worked

42:37

with them a lot

42:38

of a boohoo. He actually with the government.

42:40

He called me and he said, hey, man, you're the biggest issue in the restaurant for you and

42:43

a in a search warrant for your house. And I said, what?

42:45

He said, I don't know. You got somebody info

42:47

in Philadelphia. He had a

42:50

rat. And I'm like, well, my house searched nothing, man. They didn't have no guns in

42:52

my house, but I searched my damn house. But what

42:54

I didn't know was that the guy had took a

42:56

whole bunch of the belongings of the girl

42:59

and put, like, on the kitchen table of my home.

43:01

You know, my damn watching man. There's

43:03

a watching man in PAMA is the guy who,

43:05

like, looks like it's security. The

43:08

security for my home is a big house. It's

43:10

a huge, like, mansion on the water.

43:12

The security guard for

43:14

the house it was an Indian guy, a local, like an indigenous guy, and

43:16

he just saw another green go in the guy. And

43:18

the guy said, hello. I'm Bill's brother, so he

43:20

just let him in, you know, he wouldn't I

43:22

don't know. to him that seemed like

43:24

the right thing to do. So this guy and the

43:26

guy puts all the stuff on the kitchen table in

43:28

my house and and then the cops come and

43:30

do a search. because he called and asked him to, and they find the stuff. And

43:32

then he's he's clear. The family's not breathing

43:34

on his neck anymore, and I'm screwed. Yeah.

43:36

That's pretty

43:37

much what happened. What

43:39

were your terms for turning down certain

43:42

jobs and then taking other

43:44

ones? What did you have

43:46

like certain requirements or thing you

43:48

know, how did that all work?

43:50

They give kids. They they

43:51

got caught me for killing the kids, but

43:53

I didn't know a kid and I

43:55

killed him. I didn't know he was underage in seventeen. I didn't

43:58

I didn't know that he was a child. He was a

43:59

seventeen year old boy involved in a

44:02

criminal enterprise. Mhmm. I didn't like, I get a little I mean, a lot of people got

44:04

a black for that. It's so mine too. Are you

44:06

a child killer? I didn't know it was a

44:08

kid. I didn't know how old it

44:10

was. And and I

44:12

didn't ask him for his driver's

44:14

license. I mean, the order came down and they killed

44:16

him. That's why I did it. And so, I mean,

44:17

that didn't make it good or bad or anything, but it

44:19

wasn't something I was thinking about. So I

44:21

didn't kill kids and I didn't didn't kill civilians, meaning people who weren't involved in the

44:24

criminal enterprise who weren't involved in the

44:26

mafia or in

44:28

some way. And

44:30

that's why I turned I tried very hard and turned the last job to actually

44:32

put me in prison down because not because she was

44:34

a woman, just because she's like a wife of

44:36

a drugstore. I mean, she's not, like,

44:40

really really we're really in the game. He's just, like, some good Lord's

44:42

hoe. You know what I mean? Like, the fuck. Very

44:44

fair. The killer and and

44:46

the reason he wanted the killer was because he

44:49

he had a new girl, and he could put a whole bunch

44:51

of his stuff in her name. And so he

44:53

wanted to get the horse, but he got the horse,

44:55

and he's gonna lose his his empire because

44:57

everything he put in his watch name. So

45:00

anyway Yeah. Oh,

45:01

the how would we weave a

45:03

new wicked weave? And he and I'm talking about

45:05

myself. I'm not necessarily gonna give it to, but I'm

45:08

not gonna But, you know, the smallest thing

45:10

makes us fall

45:10

and we're so full of shit with the

45:12

man. My my first house

45:14

of cards and you

45:17

know,

45:17

I couldn't stand up in any investigation or anything like that. I was already

45:19

a few different United States. So I ran and it was pretty successful running

45:21

for a little while and then they

45:23

picked me up. No.

45:25

I'm here. Andrew and one of

45:27

the worst damn prisons in the

45:29

world, probably. Certainly, the

45:32

worst prison I I don't

45:34

I I saw a video of Haiti's

45:36

presence. This is so much worse than

45:38

Haiti, which is the poorest nation in

45:40

the Western hemisphere. what makes this person so

45:43

bad is, you know, there's

45:45

no healthcare at all. You get

45:47

you know how to attack,

45:49

You have a stroke. You have an appendage appendage

45:52

first, you're a dead, and that's just

45:55

dead. Mhmm. I almost died

45:57

in June this year. Actually, I

45:59

had book pressure

45:59

issue. I didn't know what was wrong with me. And

46:02

the way it turned out to be that they were poisoning

46:04

the food. It was not just my

46:06

food, everybody's food, but they're poisoning

46:08

the food. that they

46:10

send. Because they here's

46:11

how your food situation works

46:14

here. They send

46:14

a ration of food trust a day once

46:16

a time and supper time. but

46:18

it's like what was today's ration was like, one

46:20

cook, like a coffee cup of white

46:22

rice and a hotdog, one

46:26

uncooked, That's a fortunate big project for for an adult

46:28

male for lunch.

46:30

So I don't know

46:31

if somebody is trying to

46:32

kill some of these boys in here, and I

46:35

drink it, and I think I don't know. I knew I ate the food.

46:37

I ate the food because I was in a bad

46:40

situation. I didn't have any money. I couldn't bring

46:42

it inside the eat that crap for, like,

46:44

a month. And during that time period, they

46:45

forced him to put a whole bunch of people left several died,

46:47

actually. But I I had a

46:49

blood pressure

46:51

issue if

46:53

my blood pressure would go to, like, two hundred and ten over

46:55

a hundred and twenty, you know. I'm in shape,

46:57

man. I mean, I was at that when I was at

46:59

hillside and everything, but I'm in shape, not boxing.

47:01

eat myself in order, you know. And that's

47:04

I'm forty three years old. So anyway, so I

47:06

finally got them taken to a doctor and a

47:08

doctor said, oh, it's stress. It's stress. You

47:10

aimless. I am stress. That's

47:12

not that's not what's wrong with me. Obviously,

47:14

your brooker doesn't get two hundred and ten because you're

47:16

stressed. It gets a hundred and forty, and it's just

47:18

a little bit high. So if you how you

47:20

got

47:20

your mind? So what I ended up doing

47:21

was just checking it online and and it looked

47:24

like there's a symptoms of poisoning, so

47:26

whatever comes of poisoning. So what I did ended

47:28

up having to do in order to live,

47:30

I didn't eat for eight days. See, I didn't

47:32

even nothing. I mean, like, not one grain

47:34

of rice, not anything for eight days.

47:36

I'm fasted, and

47:38

I drank six to get on to the water maybe in that

47:40

time period. Yeah. And

47:42

my my system recovered.

47:44

But that's just an example.

47:47

some of the health care system that they

47:49

have here that they don't

47:51

have. So so there's no health care, there's

47:53

no security, you gotta be your own scary.

47:55

Anybody can kill anybody here just gives you a big tough out of my I mean, like, you're actually a

47:57

bigger target. Dude, like, you wanna kill somebody in prison

47:59

here's how you

47:59

do it.

48:02

Right? you find

48:02

some guy likes to use a lot of cocaine. So, hey, come here. You say, how

48:05

many years are you

48:05

serving fifty years? That's some maximum sense. I'm

48:08

already serving fifty

48:10

years. Okay. I'm gonna give you a bill, and I want you to go But

48:12

when you kill him, I

48:13

want you to take the gun and turn it into the cops and

48:15

tell

48:15

the cops that you killed him. What I'm gonna do for you is I'm

48:17

gonna send your

48:20

family thousand dollars, and I'm gonna give you a lifetime supply for me. This

48:22

guy's happy, man.

48:23

Shit. Great deal, Brandon. He knows he's never been

48:25

out of jail. He's gonna get they'll be high all the time. And

48:27

his and his family, and the

48:29

space can get five grand. But, I mean, like, you can poke a hole

48:31

in anybody that way here. And so, like, you gotta

48:34

be very careful

48:34

or not. In in, like, the panelists

48:37

know we're because been American person. I don't know. I've never been a

48:39

person in America, but, like, the things that I read about

48:41

and stuff. Mhmm. There's a lot of violence like I said,

48:43

dude and stuff in my pipe. It's fine stuff. Ain't

48:46

none of that shit here. kill Yeah.

48:48

because they're like chicken shares. So, like, they

48:50

smile. Okay. Everything's

48:50

okay. And then when you walk away, it's chicken, it's like

48:53

a head. You know what I mean? So there's

48:56

no go really

48:56

carefully. You don't wanna piss anybody off. You don't wanna -- Yeah. -- keep

48:58

your head down and keep your mouth shut. Boom. Yeah.

49:01

It makes a lot of sense,

49:03

you know. That's right. what

49:05

we'd all be doing, I'm

49:08

sure. What what's your daily before

49:10

I know you're on a time limit here and just for

49:12

the listeners before we recorded, Bill,

49:14

has agreed to come on again for a for a second part to the interview. You know,

49:16

we're gonna have more questions and stuff

49:19

like that, I'm sure. But what's

49:22

your daily life like in there right now? So I give you a month today,

49:25

but they Saturday

49:25

Saturday is normal day, I mean. I'm

49:27

the pastiero who

49:30

might need literally means man in the hall. But what

49:32

that is is like babysitter. I'm in

49:34

the Supramax facility. All the biggest

49:36

gangsters in

49:38

criminalism. know, the the gang

49:40

heads, Interview

49:41

international drug traffickers, the

49:43

drug lords, the

49:45

Chicago's, the the murder

49:48

of the a hitman. I'll hear where I am. A hundred and fifty

49:50

seven of us, but I'm in in charge with

49:52

twenty two of them. Twenty two of those guys are my

49:54

guys. So what do

49:56

I do? either I get up in the

49:58

morning five o'clock. Normally, I do

50:00

I pray a little bit, meditate,

50:03

I check my my Instagram

50:05

and stuff like that. They come and pop my hatch at seven o'clock.

50:07

Seven o'clock in the morning, like, open model where I'm

50:09

out. I go out.

50:11

I clean everything up. I got a you

50:13

know, like a like a maid, first time to maid, I cleaned everything

50:15

up. Now, everybody here is locked in. So

50:17

it's not like the only person that's

50:19

loose is me. and everybody else

50:21

gets an hour out in groups of three

50:24

men. So, like, seven

50:26

to eight, three minutes are let out.

50:28

You know, they're loose in in in the

50:30

patio. And the patio is is

50:32

like the bar the inside, but we never

50:34

get outside. I've not seen the sun in three years. I'm

50:36

not seeing one ray of sunlight. three years

50:38

three years in two months. It took

50:40

me a year to

50:40

get on top of the situation here. Mhmm.

50:42

I okay. So so I'd

50:45

like to be in charge of the thing here. It took

50:47

me a year. I so I was like,

50:49

clean up everything, and then I get ready for

50:51

breakfast. And the breakfast and I hit I'd

50:54

distribute the breakfast the food to everybody, they'll point to me and they're here. If there's conflict

50:56

during the day, it's me who has to resolve

50:58

it. I run the church like today

51:01

there was no church, but yesterday, there was yesterday at ten o'clock in

51:03

the morning on Monday, twenty six in Fridays, at ten o'clock,

51:06

and Sundays at ten o'clock in the morning, we have

51:08

a we have a

51:10

church service It's a unity church service. It's non

51:12

denominational. Everybody's welcome. And the guys

51:14

really they really come and when I say they come to

51:16

church meaning that they're all standing on

51:18

a bus inside their cell

51:20

looking out the door. That's how they come to church

51:22

and community center and like and

51:24

like people really put, but they really

51:26

put this I mean, it's with a high participation

51:28

rate. Then lunch comes,

51:30

same story, give away all the food.

51:33

when the food is then then I gotta go back, like, an hour later, pick up

51:35

all the trays and send them back to bring more

51:38

food. And then, again, I do that

51:39

at four four o'clock. And I keep

51:41

the plates

51:42

clean. place clean and when

51:44

there's a conflict anywhere in secrecy out

51:46

of the hundred and fifty seven men, they come

51:48

in there and say, hey, Will, let's go.

51:50

got to thank you. And so then I gotta go and sit down at the desk

51:52

and bring me to guys and we're like, what's the problem? You know, we gotta we

51:55

gotta we gotta talk about

51:56

it.

51:58

We don't kill each other. Let's see if we can figure it out, you

51:59

know. So that's how that's my

52:01

that's my life. It's not bad. It's not bad life.

52:04

I'll tell you

52:06

the truth. in the other prison, it was much better. I got laid all the time

52:08

from the other prison.

52:10

But when they so that, you know,

52:12

that was That's another

52:14

thing. We'll talk about that on the next show. We'll talk

52:16

about that on the next show. That'll be a

52:18

good thing to tease everyone with a

52:20

I had from two thousand, I got divorced or I

52:22

didn't get divorced because I wasn't married, but

52:24

we I broke up with the

52:26

girl that I got arrested with in two

52:29

thousand thirteen. She starts seeing somebody else and

52:31

so we broke up and and then I went

52:33

through a period of being, like, a

52:35

real horror. Mhmm.

52:36

And I was famous and, like, all the kicks

52:38

in panel I wanted to put me in. So so

52:40

I did that for a while. So that was really cool. I

52:42

got to do that. I never get to do that. That

52:44

was, like, really nervous around women. my

52:46

whole life. And I got over that pretty

52:47

quick -- Yeah. -- between the two

52:50

years. Nito, you know, it's like, really,

52:52

Nito. Like,

52:54

Girls are like, I'm I'm gonna come and visit you and bring you food

52:56

and and fuck you. Okay. That sounds

52:58

great. Yeah. That's great. So

53:00

like I heard, I like my sixth

53:03

while I had a better sixth life than almost any you

53:05

know, I had between those years, I

53:07

had, like, every man's fantasy, with

53:10

every man's fantasy, beautiful women. I mean, like, just

53:12

because I was famous, you know. Yeah. And

53:14

so so it's pretty neat. Yeah. We'll definitely get

53:16

it. We'll talk about that next on next

53:20

around. really. Yeah. I really appreciate you. So looking forward to

53:22

coming back on. You guys come and visit me at

53:24

holding this bill on Instagram, friends or

53:27

brother bill, on Facebook, go by, along

53:29

with the King Price. You'll drag your buns over there

53:31

and get that booked. If you like it, it'll be it's

53:33

really enlightening about what lies like in a third world

53:36

prison. Yeah. Absolutely. And

53:38

for the listeners, I will put links to those

53:40

in the episode description

53:42

when I posted on social

53:44

media and everything like that.

53:46

So yeah. Bill, I suppose, man. Thank

53:48

you again for coming on.

53:51

I suppose we if

53:53

you want to, we can do the same time, same day

53:56

next week, man. Do

53:58

it. Alright. Let's do it. Let's

54:00

do it. Sounds good, man. I will talk to you then.

54:02

I really appreciate you coming on.

54:04

Thank you so much, Trevor. Alright. I'll talk

54:06

to you

54:08

later.

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