Ivan was a founding member of Richard Hell and the Voidoids in 1977, fronted The Outsets in the '80s, and has put out two solo albums while playing with Matthew Sweet, Shriekback, and other projects.

We discuss "I am Not a Drone (Alone)" (and listen to "Voodoo Christmas") from Swing Your Lanterns (2023), the title track from Naked Flame (2011), and "Liars Beware," by Richard Hell and the Voidoids from Blank Generation (1977). Other clips: "Everything or Nothing" by Outsets from Punk Voodoo Collection (1984) and "Someone to Pull the Trigger" by Matthew Sweet from Altered Beast (1993). For more, see ivanjulian.com.

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