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Today, we begin a series on the notorious

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Charles Manson. To start,

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we'll discuss his chaotic childhood and

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his mother. Whom he loved, but

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the love wasn't quite reciprocated. We'll

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look at his entry into a life of petty crime

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that saw him incarcerated often. His

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travels from state to state and his

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brief stint working as a parent. I'm

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Mike.

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I'm in, and I'm Dave. If

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you thought your childhood was bad, stick

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around. Tonight's episode will leave you

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feeling much better about those beatings your

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parents gave

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you. Come on, they loved you. This.

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Is an

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I love the world. I live into just like Reagan

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loves the world. You love the world. You love the

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world you live in. Mhmm. Most

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assuredly, it's me. You love all the

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pain that you cause people. All the English

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Oh, I don't know pain. I don't

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know pain. I have no definite pain.

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I have no definite of suffering. I

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don't know ridicule. I don't know

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all the bad things. I haven't been punished

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by you all my life. Since I was ten years

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old, I've been in every warm school you got

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across the country. And you used to lay down have

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to get my ass with that I couldn't walk. Tell

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me about the pain there. That's all That's

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all. No. No. No. It's all. Make strong

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good pain. Understand things. Not

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bad. Pain is

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not bad. It's good. It

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teaches you things.

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Well, we're four years into this thing.

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And we're finally covering the last

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major popular well

1:41

known topic. Yeah. Yeah.

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I think this is the last

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you could say this

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is a big major 1. Yeah. I suppose so.

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It doesn't get talked about at least from what

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I had seen like, in as much as,

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like, the domers or the Bungees and stuff

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as, you know, the Jones Towns

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type, but I feel like this is a pretty

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mainstream one.

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It's a different kind of category too. He's not

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doesn't really fit the mold of you

2:08

know, an actual serial

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killer. He gets lumped

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in sometimes, but it's kind of a different

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story. It's

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like it's like cult meets true crime.

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Yeah.

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And I don't even know if you would

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necessarily consider him a

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very successful cult leader at

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all. They weren't living high on the

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hog? No. I

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don't know all that much. Like, everyone

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knows the the basic outline of the story, but

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in all the ins and outs, I don't really

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know. Clearly, I don't.

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I think there's a solid case to be made

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that he's not the most dangerous man

2:41

in America, and he's not

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this you know,

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the antichrist, this the incarnation

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of the devil that's here to take

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your kids from you

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and, like, look That's how he presented himself.

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That's how he presented himself. Right? Like,

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he kinda got into that gimmick. At

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least with interviews I'd seen, like, later in

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his life, Oh, he him talking all

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crazy and stuff. Like, I feel like

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he embraced that that

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persona. He'll swastika tattoo

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on his four hundred. Yeah. That was

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wild. Mhmm. Yeah.

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Because that's how it was we'll we'll see

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that's how it ends up. Getting

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portrayed in the media with the

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with the trial and stuff is

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look at this guy, you know, he was

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able to take he can take your kids

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and make them into

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these mindless little bit of sensationalism

3:30

going on. Yeah. I think there's

3:32

a solid argument to be made that He

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was just like a petty petty criminal

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that stumbled his way into a scene of

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people doing acid -- Mhmm. -- things like that that

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were very open to suggestion perhaps.

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Yeah. And he was just really charismatic. Like you

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said, from his interviews, you see him, and he's really you

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know, he's very charismatic. He pay attention

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to what you're saying. Do you guys

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enjoy your time off? Do anything

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fun? No? You ain't got

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snipped? How you're

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nuts? They're doing alright

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at all. I believe we discussed that though.

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Yeah. I know. It was just my follow-up. Oh,

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with that. That's the month. Yeah. I wanna see how

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they went. Post op, pretty much back

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to normal. I think a lot of people are probably worried about

4:09

your testicles and just 1 to

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know, you had that BBC going for a little

4:12

while. Black

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and blue cock for

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real. Vacation

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was good. A nice break

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from everything. Yeah. Yeah. Nice to

4:25

have a break. It's been, like, three

4:27

three and a half weeks since we recorded, I think.

4:29

Yeah. Not counting the

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little beer show we did with friends.

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That's fun. Something different.

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Yeah. Sit around talk beer.

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Of course. Drink beer, talk beer? Okay.

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Could do that for a living. Alright.

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Let's dive in. Kathleen Mannix

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was born January eleventh nineteen

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nineteen in Moorhead, Kentucky to

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Nancy and Charles addicts. Morehead.

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Yes, please. It'd be

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funny if the wood cocks were from Morehead.

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These are the wood cocks from Moorhead.

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Nancy was an extremely strict

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religious woman to the point of

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if a woman showed her ankle, it was

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sinful. I agree. Charles

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worked long hours on a railroad, and by

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the time he got home, he was too tired to argue

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with Nancy. He just kinda went with

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the flow. She was very

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religious religious to the point where,

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at least according to Charles

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Manson, religious to the

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point where if George

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showed sympathy to Kathleen

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about anything. It was considered

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sinful. Like almost on the verge

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of incessuous feelings,

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sinful. Oh, wow.

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Sounds like a lovely home. Well, stories

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like this in the past we've discussed that start out

5:44

like this. Always had a happy ending, so I'm sure

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this is gonna be no

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different. Like,

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most stories we do cover have happy endings on the

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film. In nineteen

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thirty three, Kathleen ran away from home

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and ended up in Cincinnati, Ohio.

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Where she started a relationship with a guy named

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Colonel Walker Henderson Scott.

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Scott worked in steel mills and was well known

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to people in town as a con artist,

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but Kathleen didn't know that. Scott

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had Kathleen believing that he was an army

6:11

colonel, but in reality, he

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wasn't. His first name really was colonel. I

6:16

like how I have one in town. Just Kate Fames it too.

6:18

Okay. Don't even go out with

6:19

this girl. You're like, oh, yeah. She's dating

6:21

the current home girl and learn today. Go

6:25

smartener up. Geez. Awesome

6:27

first name by the way. Colonel -- Yeah. -- you like

6:29

that? It's a cool name. Colonel

6:31

Walker, Henderson, Scott, almost sounds like it's

6:33

straight out of the civil war. You got

6:35

like mutton chops to go with it.

6:37

You have to. Right? Your parents are aiming high

6:39

when they name you Colonel. Right? Like,

6:41

if you give a dopey kid, you're gonna name him private.

6:43

But if you're naming you're naming your

6:45

kid,

6:45

Colonel, you think you're putting it out there, he's

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gonna be somebody. I mean, was that

6:50

common name back then? That's a I've never

6:52

heard them before. Yeah. I've never heard somebody

6:54

named Conan. It reminds me

6:56

of Dr.

6:58

Bliss, I believe I think it's Bliss, was

7:00

the doctor that treated President Garfield

7:02

when he was shot in his first

7:03

name, doctor Willard bliss, but his first

7:05

name was actually doctor.

7:06

Doctor. That's right. Yeah. And he became the doctor. I remember

7:08

that.

7:09

Things did not go well for him. The

7:11

street was in the art field.

7:13

Let me jam up my arm up to my

7:15

elbow in your back. Oh. You're

7:17

right? Also, the only

7:19

acceptable middle name for someone named

7:21

Colonel is Angus. Turning

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to Angus. They

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failed.

7:32

They had my stuff on that one. Kathleen

7:36

ended up getting pregnant And

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when she told Scott, he said that he

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got got called

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to army service and he left town.

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Then about three months before her due date, Kathleen

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started a relationship and moved in with a guy

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named William Manson who was

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about ten years older than her.

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Fast forward to November twelfth

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nineteen thirty four. At fifteen

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years old, Kathleen gave birth to a

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boy. Who left the hospital as

8:02

no nomadic's. That's what

8:05

it's on his birth certificate. That's

8:06

a cool name. I like that. No name

8:08

magic. It sounds like the, I don't know, picture

8:10

from the nineteen hundreds that

8:12

minor league greatest picture

8:13

alive, pitch the perfect game and then no one ever

8:16

saw them again. No

8:17

name. No name Mattox. It's

8:20

legendary. Now you just have me thinking about Greg

8:22

Mattox and all the times he kicked the

8:23

r s's and the nineties. The

8:26

braves. What's the first thing I thought of when I had

8:28

a good cold name for

8:28

me. Oh, shit. Yeah. Fucking

8:31

Craig Maddox in the nineties. Him

8:33

and fucking chipper Jones? Chimp

8:36

or two. I forgot about that guy. No.

8:38

Sorry to bring him back in your life.

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He's the one that when he was

8:44

playing in the yankees, talked about being on

8:46

the subway and the Bronx and all the

8:49

minorities and gaze

8:51

and whatever else he's running down to, and then he getting

8:53

big troubles. I don't remember that. On some

8:55

interview? I don't remember him playing for any for

8:58

the

8:58

monkeys. No. No. When like, he was in New York,

9:00

flying the Yankee. He was against him. I see.

9:02

Had some not too kind things to say about the

9:04

New Yorkers he ran into in

9:06

the subway.

9:07

That's not very nice, rude.

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Later on, Kathleen decided to

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name the baby after her father,

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Charles. And once Kathleen

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married William, the baby assumed

9:18

his last name Manson. So

9:20

we have Charles Manson

9:21

born. Mike, give him

9:23

the yeah. CSI

9:26

Miami, yeah, calls for

9:28

it. Oh

9:31

my god. They

9:35

incidentally went on,

9:37

Cactus Shack. WWE wrestler

9:39

MacFoli was first starting out and got his name

9:41

Cactus Shack. His first name was actually cactus

9:43

Jack Manson because he kinda resembled

9:45

Charles O'Neill. Given,

9:47

I mean, the kind of person Mick is, one the

9:49

nicest dudes in a thinking pro wrestling.

9:51

Mhmm. He did not love that name and drop it

9:53

as quick as he could. I was listening

9:55

to Howard this morning in my car.

9:57

He was talking about it

9:59

eats rustling things. So I

10:01

was laughing at my ass off thinking about

10:04

you guys. What

10:06

kind of funny shit? IQ do you have the

10:09

have the what's this

10:11

fake bullshit? I think this is

10:13

going

10:13

on. I guess how Assurant doesn't watch

10:15

movies either. I'm about the tell them it's

10:17

fake bullshit. I

10:20

think it's so mad when people We'll see. It's

10:22

just a dumbest argument. Every

10:25

TV show is fake. Well,

10:26

someone's like, when people

10:27

get hurt and wrestling, he's like, yeah, if they don't know how

10:29

to fucking wrestle, Something like that. He's not

10:31

wrong with that. It's fun

10:34

there. He used to have a bunch of

10:36

wrestlers on too. Oh, man. I don't know

10:38

if he still does, but I don't think

10:39

so. Yeah. It

10:42

was funny. The relationship

10:44

between Kathleen and William didn't last

10:46

long, like only a month or so. However,

10:48

they weren't officially divorced until

10:51

April thirtieth nineteen thirty seven.

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Once that relationship ended,

10:55

Kathleen took colonel Scott to court for

10:57

child support. Which he settled with Kathleen

10:59

and agreed to pay her monthly. But

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he'd ended up not paying her. I think he paid

11:03

her, like, a total of twenty five dollars. A

11:05

total of six. This is

11:07

where the idea that Colonel Scott is

11:09

Charlie Manson's biological father

11:11

comes from, but no one knows for

11:13

one hundred percent sure. Does

11:16

he go by Charlie? Is that why we're calling everything

11:18

calls him Charlie, so it's just, like,

11:20

stuck in my head to just call him

11:22

Charlie. I like it.

11:25

So, like I said, they didn't get divorced for, like,

11:27

three years afterwards. But

11:29

once Kathleen left, she

11:31

took Charlie back to Kentucky, and

11:33

she went off rails. The

11:35

way Charlie tells it is that Kathleen had a

11:37

lot of living to do before she could settle

11:39

down and take care of him. And

11:41

he's different than other high profile serial

11:43

killers call leaders, whatever, you know,

11:45

he is exactly. But

11:47

most of them resent their parents, at

11:50

least one of them, that abused or

11:52

abandoned them. But Charlie

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loved his mother very much.

11:56

Everything written about Kathleen says

11:58

that she worked as a sex

12:00

worker which I think it's pretty safe

12:02

to say that she did. But

12:04

in his book, he's quick to defend her and say,

12:06

no. She's a flower

12:08

child born thirty years too early.

12:11

It's more about calling her a horror.

12:13

He says the word horror a lot

12:15

throughout that

12:16

book. Like, she's just a flower child of the

12:18

thirty. She's not a horror. Okay.

12:20

Rationalizing things to yourself? Yeah.

12:23

There's a lot of rationalizing about his

12:25

childhood in his book. Part

12:28

of the living that Kathleen

12:30

was was doing was going on

12:32

weeks long drinking benches with her

12:34

brother, Luther. They would

12:36

leave Charlie with her parents or one of

12:38

her other siblings. And other

12:40

times, she would leave Charlie with a random

12:42

babysitter. And members of the Mattox family would

12:44

have to go out searching for him. One

12:46

time 1 had Charlie sitting on her

12:48

lap at a bar and got into this conversation

12:50

with a bartender about how the

12:52

bartender wasn't able to get pregnant.

12:55

Kathleen said giving a picture of beer and he's

12:57

yours. The bartender gave

12:59

Kathleen a beer and she just handed over

13:00

Charlie. That's that's how you

13:03

win a trade. That's

13:05

good negotiation. Kathleen came out or

13:07

on that one. No responsibility. That

13:09

fucking picture of beer. Yeah.

13:11

Your life

13:12

just got ten times easier. Go

13:14

be a flower child. According

13:16

to members of the Mattox family took about two

13:18

weeks for them to track down the bartender and

13:21

get Charlie

13:21

back. Well, I hope they gave her picture

13:23

of beer in return because that's not a great deal.

13:26

Yeah. Well, it takes back

13:27

seas. Yeah. Right. Well,

13:30

that might give you self esteem issues later in

13:32

life when your mom traded you a

13:34

beer. He thinks it's hilarious or at

13:36

least how he writes about it.

13:38

Mhmm. It's it's hilarious.

13:40

It's a It's all a big adventure

13:42

-- Mhmm. -- the stuff with his mom.

13:44

Yeah. It's alright. She was just

13:46

wild. She had like you

13:48

said, she had some living to do.

13:50

Hope it wasn't like Bud Light, though.

13:52

It definitely was something like Bud

13:54

Light. Something -- Super cheap.

13:55

-- It's Diet Miller. That's fine.

13:59

That's acceptable then. Bud Light is

14:01

grotesque. I look down upon anyone that

14:03

drinks it regularly. I'm gonna

14:05

drink that. You might wanna drink Milwaukee's best

14:07

or bush light. Like, if you're gonna

14:09

slum it, slum it,

14:10

bush. Batty light,

14:13

Keystone light, Keystone.

14:15

Your name in all the winners, buddy

14:17

Hanau. I wonder if the

14:19

bartender was super

14:21

thrown

14:21

off. When she just handed over

14:23

the baby. Like, if the party was like decline.

14:26

No. But it's like fuck. Yeah.

14:27

But if

14:28

she thought it was just a joke and

14:30

Oh, here's your picture and she's like, no, fuck.

14:32

Here's my baby. Oh, please.

14:35

By the way, he needs changed and is a

14:38

poopy diaper. Think the

14:40

bartender was sitting around thirty years later watching the

14:42

news, and that's the bullet on

14:44

that one. I

14:46

like to think still working at that bar. Like, I had the TV out in the

14:49

corner. Wipe in the corner. That

14:51

was my boy for two

14:52

weeks. Momma for a beer.

14:57

On August first nineteen thirty nine, one

14:59

of Kathleen and Luther's benches

15:01

led them to Charleston, West Virginia.

15:03

Where they were short on money so they decided

15:05

to rob a gas station. Kathleen

15:08

hit the gas attendant in the head with

15:10

a glass coke bottle and Luther started

15:12

to grab the money. They

15:14

did not do a good job of concealing

15:16

their identities during this. There's people that saw

15:19

them, and they got arrested pretty

15:21

quick. And they were both sentenced to

15:23

five to ten years in Moundsville

15:25

State Prison. Did you guys

15:26

see online that thing

15:29

with the rock going back to

15:31

the gas station where he used to go and steal

15:33

snickers bars. And it

15:35

was like one of he was doing like a make good, so he

15:37

went back to the gas station and bought,

15:39

like, every snickerbob, a ton of

15:41

candy, and then just had them put it up on the counter and

15:43

say, anybody who comes in here looks like they need a candy bar,

15:45

you just give it to them. Like, that's really nice

15:47

and well done. But all you

15:49

did was buy a bunch of

15:50

candy. You didn't really pay them

15:52

back for everything you

15:54

stole. So kind

15:57

of a safer effort, mister the rock.

16:00

Your head's in the right place.

16:02

What? You know? You still

16:05

stiff them all with slicker parts.

16:07

It's like, yeah, it's a great idea. Right. I don't

16:09

really think that one through.

16:11

Yeah. It'd be

16:11

great if whoever comes in next and it's like, I'm on

16:14

the snick I was like, fuck you. Take as many as you want.

16:15

1 like, no, we fucking did.

16:18

Like, no, the rock was here. We swear. But

16:20

I was

16:20

like, well, that's crazy. He bought all that candy,

16:23

but You didn't really pay them for

16:25

the stuff you took. Mhmm. Like, he

16:27

probably gave them more, but that's not

16:29

what was --

16:29

Right. --

16:29

in the what's the

16:30

product saw.

16:31

I think he can afford it. I

16:34

think. Charlie said that he

16:36

remembered his grandfather breaking the news

16:38

to him that Kathleen was going to prison

16:40

for a long time. And that Charlie would be

16:42

living with them for a while. His

16:44

grandmother Nancy still did

16:46

the strict religious stuff, but Charlie

16:48

was baby because of the situation.

16:50

So much so that that

16:52

he said he turned into the, quote,

16:54

neighborhood sissy. A little

16:56

after a month of living with his

16:58

grandparents. Charlie was sent to live

17:00

with his aunt, Joanne, and his

17:02

uncle Bill, in Macatchin,

17:05

West Virginia. Right off the bat, his

17:07

uncle Bill wasn't a fan

17:09

of the sissy behavior. He

17:11

pretty much told Charlie if you don't stop crying

17:13

all the time and acting like a

17:15

little girl, then I'm gonna treat you

17:17

like a little girl. So Bill sent

17:19

Charlie to school in a girl's dress,

17:21

which obviously resulted in him

17:23

getting bullied. In nineteen thirty nine West Virginia.

17:26

Mhmm. Can't imagine that?

17:28

Was it great? Two thousand twenty three

17:30

West

17:30

Virginia. Yeah. I can't imagine that.

17:33

Good point.

17:33

And to be fair, most of Ohio, we're gonna

17:35

be honest. Yes. That

17:37

bullying led to Charlie getting into a

17:39

bunch of fights where he successfully defended

17:43

himself. Which that seemed to make his uncle Bill

17:45

happy because Charlie said that after

17:47

Bill heard about the fighting at

17:48

school, he never complained to him for being

17:51

sissy again. You really whooped them

17:53

good. Charlie, you ain't no sissing no

17:55

bar. That's good.

17:56

So he's

17:56

a good fighter or at least

17:59

able to hold his own? Yeah.

18:02

Awesome. Good for him.

18:04

Real quick, I think it's, you know, with

18:06

him fighting in school early

18:08

on. I think it's a good time to point out Charles

18:10

Manson was a really small guy.

18:12

In adulthood, he was five four,

18:14

and at one point, 1 as little

18:17

as a hundred and fifteen pounds, but he usually weighed

18:19

around one fifty. Five

18:21

foot four,

18:22

the small man. Damn.

18:25

He said real early on he learned to play the quote

18:27

insane game where he had to act crazy

18:29

and scare people like don't fuck with Charles

18:31

Manson. He's crazy. Aside

18:34

from the insane game, Charlie learned pretty

18:36

quick to talk and hustle, talk

18:38

his way around things which we'll get

18:40

into later on. His first run-in with

18:42

law enforcement is kinda up for

18:45

debate. Charlie told Diane Sawyer that he set

18:47

his school on fire when he was nine years

18:49

old, but didn't get into any real trouble

18:51

for it. In his book,

18:53

he said that he was gifted a Superman

18:55

hairbrush for Christmas when he was seven years

18:57

old. Charlie said that that was the

18:59

only gift he was given that year

19:01

and his grandmother told him that if he brushed his hair with

19:03

it all the time, he would fly like Superman.

19:06

Kids in the neighborhood started picking

19:08

on him. Like, you got a hairbrush to look at

19:10

all the toys that we got. Charlie

19:12

said that he ended up stealing as many of

19:14

those toys as he could and set them all

19:16

on

19:16

fire. The police got involved, but nothing was

19:19

done other than a slap on the

19:21

wrist. I don't blame kids

19:23

got spawn, He

19:25

showed them. Mhmm. Halter Sculptor

19:28

motherfuckers. So

19:30

you're Christmas.

19:32

Kathleen got paroled in nineteen forty two.

19:34

And when Charlie was reunited with her,

19:36

he said that this was the happiest that he

19:38

had ever been in his life.

19:41

The next couple of years reads kinda

19:43

like a Bonnie and Clyde type of adventure

19:45

where Kathleen would hustle for money

19:47

and she and Charlie would travel from

19:49

town to town. He talks about a

19:51

story where they were at a bar and

19:54

some local tough guy. Like,

19:56

these two guys, like, you know, two

19:58

brothers that everybody was scared of in

20:00

town, whatever. Grabbed his

20:03

mom's ass, and she cracked him with

20:05

a fifth of mom

20:08

bottle liquor and then basically ran up the

20:10

Charlie and was like, we gotta get out of town,

20:12

throw him in the car and sped

20:14

off. That's

20:14

like a buddy road trip adventure kinda

20:17

novel.

20:17

Yeah. I'd

20:18

watch that movie. Be

20:20

fun. Right now? I like little

20:22

Charlie and mom or something. I

20:24

could see that being kind of fun, though, if

20:26

you're eight years

20:27

old. Sure. Around just driving, you're

20:30

not going to school. Yeah. It's better than,

20:32

you know, living with your hillbilly uncle who puts

20:34

you in a dress to go to school. It's

20:36

probably a hundred times

20:37

better.

20:37

Well, just then he loved his mom. Right?

20:39

So he got to be with her. Yeah.

20:41

Kathleen had tons of boyfriends

20:43

who Charlie said were always introduced to

20:45

him as uncles. Kathleen got serious

20:47

with one and he was not a fan

20:49

of Charlie. This guy was only

20:51

known as a Lewis and pretty much told

20:54

Kathleen it's me or your kid.

20:56

And not long after, Kathleen took Charlie in front of

20:58

a judge and said, I can't take care of him anymore.

21:00

I don't want him. So

21:02

at thirteen years old, Charlie became a ward

21:04

of the state and was sent to Guy

21:06

Bolt School for Boys in

21:09

Indiana. Guy Bolt was branded

21:11

by Catholic priests, and according to

21:13

Charlie, it wasn't terrible there. As in sexual

21:15

assault. However, there were pretty

21:17

harsh beatings from a bell if you

21:19

stepped out a line. Christmas

21:22

time of nineteen forty seven, Charlie

21:24

escaped from Guy Ball and slept in the

21:26

woods, underbridges, and wherever else he could

21:28

get shelter until he made it back to

21:30

his mother. Once he got to

21:32

her, Charlie was expecting her to be

21:34

happy and, you know, them go back on the

21:36

road again, do all this this

21:38

crazy shit. But Kathleen

21:40

sends him right back to Gebaltz where

21:42

he was reprimanded for escaping.

21:44

Goddamn. Mom! God damn. This would be

21:46

a really sad part of the movie.

21:48

The one.

21:49

This kind of stuff makes you feel

21:52

bad for Charles Manson. It

21:54

absolutely does. It's a horrific

21:56

childhood. But like

21:56

a lot of these scumbags that we

21:59

had to talk about, there's always one point in

22:01

the story where we feel bad for Mhmm.

22:03

Usually in their youth when they're getting treated

22:05

like shit or abused or cast

22:07

aside. That's true. Over

22:10

the next ten months, Kathleen would visit

22:12

Charlie every so often, like

22:14

every couple weeks, but eventually that turned

22:16

into every month And

22:18

then on one visit, Kathleen said that she got married and she

22:21

stopped visiting. At that

22:23

point, Charlie said, fuck it. I don't trust a

22:25

single person and he

22:27

escaped. Guy a second time and

22:29

fled to Indianapolis. Charlie said

22:31

that he knew to go to Indianapolis because

22:33

it would be harder to get caught

22:35

in the city. He really did flee

22:37

to Indianapolis, but again, it sounds like

22:39

an adventure of him getting there. He

22:42

said that he had helped from the, quote,

22:44

bumps, rhinos, and hobos hopping

22:46

on and all kind of shit like

22:46

that. That sounds fun. That is an

22:49

adventure. Twelve years old. Thirteen years old.

22:51

Thirteen years. In life.

22:53

Right? Riding the rails.

22:55

Hell yeah. It's an education. You're not gonna

22:57

get in the classroom. Getting shot by

22:59

that salt gun that the railroad guy

23:01

just carry around.

23:03

Once he got to Indianapolis,

23:06

Charlie robbed the grocery store for food, but

23:08

under the counter, he found a cigar box with a

23:10

little over a hundred dollars in it. He

23:12

used that money to rent a room on

23:14

Indianapolis's schedule to

23:16

buy food. He got a job

23:18

delivering letters for Western Union and

23:20

tried to stay out of trouble. But

23:22

pretty quick, he was back to petty theft.

23:25

It's crazy, but at fourteen, Charlie was

23:27

able to survive on Indianapolis Skidrone

23:29

for almost a full year before he got

23:31

caught for petty theft. In nineteen

23:33

forty nine, a judge sent Charlie

23:36

to Boystown in Omaha,

23:38

Nebraska. And after four

23:40

days, that Boystown Charlie escaped with

23:42

another kid, named

23:44

Blackie Nielsen. I'm pretty

23:46

sure that is not his real

23:47

name. How much of

23:48

the story is confirmed? This is all his

23:50

his eyewitness story. Some

23:53

good names in here, good

23:55

adventures. So he really did

23:57

go to Indianapolis, and he

23:59

was arrested there for petty theft. Like,

24:01

that that's for Brio. And As a

24:03

result of

24:03

that, that's why he was sent to Boystown

24:06

in Nebraska.

24:07

Look, Kia'ali. I'm blacky Nielsen. And

24:10

we're 1 at a Boystown

24:12

C. I mean, he wasn't boys town. He did escape.

24:15

I'm ninety percent sure that

24:17

this person's day was not black in

24:19

the

24:19

Austin. That's

24:22

ridiculous.

24:22

You're lacking this. I love it.

24:24

And I don't even know if this next part

24:26

is true because according to

24:28

you know, according to Charlie, they

24:31

stole a car, got a hold of a gun, and

24:33

made it back to Peoria, Illinois.

24:36

Where I guess, Blackie's uncle took them on as kind

24:38

of like an apprentice. Blackie's uncle

24:40

ran this big, you know,

24:45

like, this theft business is, like, ring of thieves

24:47

kinda thing

24:47

and, like, took Charlie and Blackie

24:50

in on it. Alright. Starz getting good.

24:52

He sure tells a good

24:53

story if it's not true. That's right. Two

24:56

weeks later, Charlie got busted

24:58

for robbing another store and was sent to

25:00

the Indiana Boy School and this

25:02

is where things in his book

25:05

and and how he tells his

25:07

story stop sounding

25:09

like this. This happy go He ventures

25:11

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25:13

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So this next part, for

27:07

context, for the silage part

27:09

of it. Boyne Charlie got to the

27:11

Indiana Boy School. He was given

27:14

work assignment in the dairy area.

27:16

Right when he got

27:18

there, this place started to become extremely

27:22

abusive

27:23

but I included this quote because it just

27:25

sums up what this place was

27:27

for him. Charles Manson wrote

27:30

quote. After that, Fields himself,

27:32

Fields being a guard, started playing games with

27:34

me, like I was some joint punk

27:36

available to anyone. 1 numerous

27:39

occasions, depending on his mood, he would

27:41

tell me, quote, pull your pants down, Manson.

27:43

I wanna see if you've been getting fucked.

27:45

The first time I thought he was kidding and I walked

27:48

right on by him, but he grabbed me and yanked my

27:50

pants down around my ankles and made me

27:52

bend over while he looked at my

27:54

ass. He always did this in the presence of several other inmates.

27:56

To add insult, he would pick up a

27:58

handful of raw silage from the dairy floor,

28:00

spit tobacco juice on it, and shove it

28:02

up my ass. I got him

28:04

lubed. He tell his pets. So fuck him if you

28:07

get a chance. The tobacco

28:09

juice and silage burned and I got an

28:11

infection from it, but the humiliation was

28:13

worse. Yeah. Fields was a real

28:15

beauty. He really knew how to care for the

28:17

wards of the state and earn his state paycheck.

28:19

I worked in the dairy for

28:21

five months and every day was some kind of

28:24

unimaginable

28:24

experience. Yikes.

28:27

There's like certain things.

28:29

When we talk about on, like, unit seven

28:31

thirty one, some of that stuff that just

28:33

-- Mhmm. -- hit

28:34

hard. Yeah. It it hits different than

28:37

some of the things that you didn't talk about

28:39

and He was fourteen at

28:41

this time. And this guards are shoving stuff

28:43

up his ass. Tobacco,

28:45

juice, and silage off of

28:46

ground. Sandwich is, like, feed. Right? Like,

28:49

hey, but

28:50

Well, I was also contacted, fermented

28:52

hay. Like, what does that mean he's working

28:54

dairy. Was this, like, on a farm and they were worth, like,

28:56

milking cows and stuff? I believe they had

28:58

access to getting milk that they would

29:00

then send out and distribute

29:01

probably, and

29:03

something along those lines? Or

29:06

was it maybe even just four of them there at

29:08

the facility, but that's a

29:10

good point. Mhmm. Make

29:12

their own Milk. Yeah.

29:14

Well, I don't know, but this is what

29:16

happened to me at fourteen. I think I would

29:18

spend the rest of my life not going back

29:20

to

29:20

jail. Yeah. He

29:20

doesn't do that. No. He's not a very

29:23

good criminal. He's absolutely not.

29:25

And we were talking about, like, the credibility

29:27

of his story. A lot of the stuff

29:29

like, all these escapes that he makes and things

29:32

like that, there's documentation for

29:34

those things. Mhmm. There's no documentation for,

29:36

like, black emails and

29:39

when he escapes from here

29:41

and all the shit that he does going

29:42

forward, there's records for

29:45

for that stuff. So

29:46

easily provable. You think after that stuff

29:49

was, like, shoved up his ass,

29:51

that his ass looked

29:53

even half as bad as Dave's eye does

29:56

to me. We

29:59

don't have to bring it up if you don't want to get in there.

30:02

Okay. Dave's

30:05

got The best way to describe it

30:07

is that Dave's right eye

30:10

is giving birth. There

30:13

is something going And for someone like me who

30:15

is very weak and sensitive to any kind

30:17

of eye shit, even more so than

30:20

the

30:20

nipples. Like, I look at Dave and my eye

30:22

start walking. can tell us

30:24

why I'm making a lot of direct eye concept

30:26

with me. Can

30:27

you even see out of that eye? Yeah.

30:31

It's not easy though. Like, it's swelling up. I over one

30:33

of my eyes. So it's it's blurry. I

30:35

got a a sty like a ego, and I don't know

30:37

what the fuck happened to, but it got all infected.

30:41

Now it's just blown up and it's

30:43

it looks ridiculous.

30:44

It literally looks like if you touched it with your

30:46

finger, it would just explode. Like,

30:48

even like when you

30:49

laugh, like, you, like, kinda scrunch her face, I'm like,

30:51

oh, no. No. No. No. No. It's gonna kiss.

30:53

It's gonna shoot across the room into

30:56

his

30:56

beer. Like, slow motion.

30:58

We all just

30:59

watches. And then there's you

31:02

give sounds all three of us throwing up.

31:04

I'm glad it's me because if if it was one of

31:06

you guys, I'd probably be sick. I

31:09

told you to buy an eye patch. I did buy an

31:11

eye patch. And I put it on and I was

31:13

having trouble reading getting you just the one eye. So 1 should

31:16

make you face the wall as you show

31:18

the face. That was me. I would

31:19

have insisted on you facing the wall.

31:22

That's on you. I have never had a sty.

31:24

I didn't either until here. I don't know what

31:26

I know where I got this from. It's

31:29

crazy. You said you've had one

31:30

before. Yeah. They're super painful,

31:32

but I've never had one getting 1. This

31:35

is nuts. Yeah. I

31:37

was a doctor this morning, so I got some new eye drops.

31:40

Jesus Christ

31:41

man. I'm still con like, it looks like

31:44

it's in the skin under

31:47

your eye. Yeah. Like in the like

31:49

the your bags of your eyes. Yeah. So

31:51

I don't understand. It must be

31:53

on the eye though if they're giving you eye drops

31:55

and creamed put on your eye? Like, it's

31:57

inside that. Yeah. I I

31:58

don't know. I

31:59

think the infection that's just where it goes.

32:01

I think it's like like a

32:05

clogged tear duct or

32:06

something. I haven't cried.

32:07

To be making my eyes completely.

32:09

Well, that eye's been leaking. So

32:10

you're getting all those tears out.

32:13

I I was doing it.

32:15

Like when this stuff starts happening,

32:17

it feels to me. Like, my eyes start

32:19

feeling like someone's cutting onions. Like, I get

32:21

that tingling in my eyes. Oh. And, like, I

32:23

have to keep blinking. It's

32:26

horrific. It's not good to look at. I mean, it doesn't look like

32:28

it looks did you go upstairs and clean it

32:30

just

32:30

now? I had to open an eye dropper. Oh,

32:32

okay. Before it

32:34

looked like you could tell a difference. Like, it almost looks like

32:36

it went down a little bit.

32:39

I

32:39

don't envy you. Hit between

32:43

his balls, your eye.

32:46

I guess I'm next.

32:48

I guess it is

32:50

horrific, though. After

32:52

multiple failed attempts to escape

32:54

the Indiana Boy School,

32:56

Charlie successfully escaped in

32:59

February of nineteen fifty one with two other

33:01

boys. There's one that he talks

33:03

about in his book that's that's

33:05

pretty crazy. Talks

33:07

about one escape where he was able to get down

33:09

to a river. Like, there was a a

33:11

body of water there. He

33:14

noticed that people saw

33:16

him so the the guards were on

33:18

either side of of this river, and

33:20

he was in the middle. He's like, there's nowhere else

33:22

to go. Like, I either drowned or

33:24

I go back and take it. Had

33:27

to swim back over. Geez.

33:30

Because he didn't get swimming lessons as a

33:32

young man. Maybe

33:33

he tried, but he was like you, it just didn't take.

33:35

Yeah. Maybe so. So Charlie and

33:37

these two other boys stole cars and

33:40

robbed gas stations headed for

33:42

California. They made it all the way to

33:44

Utah before they were arrested. Since

33:46

driving a stolen car across eight lines

33:48

was a federal crime, Charlie was

33:50

sent to Washington DC's National

33:52

Training School for Boys. He said

33:54

that after the Indiana Boy School, every

33:57

other jail or prison, seemed like a

33:59

retirement home, especially federal

34:01

facilities. said

34:03

federal facilities are a breeze compared to --

34:05

Mhmm. -- or anything's a breeze compared to

34:07

getting mileage in tobacco juice shoved up your ass.

34:09

I would agree with you.

34:12

Yeah. And rape. I mean, not just not just

34:14

saying, fuck him if you get the chance, but,

34:16

like, rape tons of rape.

34:18

Like, he got raped a lot.

34:20

Mhmm. So

34:22

Yeah. Anything's better than that. There

34:24

you go. Making me feel bad for Charlie

34:27

Manson again. At this school,

34:30

Charlie was made to take an aptitude

34:32

test, which placed him at a fourth grade

34:34

level and pretty

34:36

much illiterate. But a psychiatrist said even though Charlie couldn't

34:38

read, he was above average with an

34:40

IQ of 109 1 recommended

34:42

that he be sent to a minimum security

34:46

facility called the Natural Bridge Honor Camp.

34:48

Charlie had a parole hearing set for

34:50

February nineteen fifty two, but in January

34:52

he was caught raping a boy at

34:54

knife

34:54

point. So that was canceled.

34:56

Student has become the master

34:58

about that rape record, Charlie

35:00

said, quote. And I'm gonna read

35:02

this quote as as he said it. So

35:05

he's got some language in here, but this

35:07

is what he said. A lot of stories

35:09

go around about four sodomy and oral

35:11

population in prisons and

35:14

reform schools. There's some of it happening, I mean, out and out rape. I

35:16

experienced it and I'm still ashamed to

35:18

cop to it. Most of the sex is by

35:20

mutual agreement.

35:22

But however it comes down, those things are printed in a convicts prison

35:24

record and are with them for the rest of

35:26

his life. I lost a possible parole

35:30

date once by getting involved with a punk. I was accused of holding a

35:32

razor blade to a kid's throat while I screwed

35:34

him in the ass. Truth was,

35:38

This guy was an undercover queer and wanted a dick in his ass,

35:40

and I didn't mind doing it to him. We

35:42

both agree that if we got caught, he

35:44

could say I forced him.

35:46

We got

35:47

caught. He gets caught in everything. Of course, he

35:49

got caught. Charles

35:52

Manson's

35:52

book should be given

35:54

to people as a way to scare

35:56

you from going to jail. That's

35:58

better than Scared Straight. The first

36:00

half of his book is fucking terrifying.

36:02

It's like it makes you never ever wanna break the

36:05

law at all. You convinced me. And

36:07

just the silence, you convinced

36:10

me. That incident

36:12

had Charlie transferred to the federal

36:14

reformatory in Petersburg, Virginia,

36:16

where he had been caught at

36:18

least three more times either raping

36:20

or having consensual sex with other students. At that point,

36:22

he was moved to a maximum security

36:25

facility in Chillicothe, Ohio.

36:29

Where Charlie did well, and

36:31

he was released on good behavior to

36:33

his aunt, Joanne, and uncle Bill,

36:35

back to Mckesson, West

36:37

Virginia. So that was shortly before his twenty first

36:40

birthday. So he still

36:41

got time to turn things around, still

36:43

a young man, still a whole

36:45

life ahead of him. Little bit of

36:47

time left. Little bit of time. 109 IQ. Goddamn

36:49

it. I just wanted to

36:52

do

36:52

it. In January nineteen

36:54

fifty five, Charlie had his first

36:56

relationship with a woman, Rosalie

37:00

Jean Willis. Which is crazy to even think about, you know, he's just been in

37:02

these reformatory, these boy things. So it's

37:04

either been -- Mhmm.

37:06

-- rape

37:09

you know, but it's all been anything. It's

37:11

been with other boys -- Mhmm. --

37:13

or men -- Yeah. -- whether it

37:15

be consensual or not. She was

37:17

a waitress that Charlie met at

37:17

a game in Stoonville, Ohio.

37:21

Stoonville. I've met at that card game. They

37:24

served uncooked Pizza.

37:26

Of course, they did.

37:28

So Rosalie got pregnant and

37:30

the two of them got

37:33

married. Three months into their marriage in

37:35

Rosalie's pregnancy, Charlie stole a car, and the two

37:37

of them headed to LA. Pretty

37:40

quick after arriving in

37:42

Los Angeles, Charlie got arrested

37:44

for driving a stolen car. And again,

37:46

it was a federal crime because he drove

37:48

it across state

37:48

lines. I'm pretty sure it was the same

37:50

car that he stole in

37:52

Ohio. Just should've stolen a a Hyundai or a Kia.

37:54

Apparently, those are very easy this deal

37:56

to get away with. However, instead

37:58

of jail time, Charlie got a lenient

38:01

judge who gave him five years

38:03

probation. Instead of reporting to his PO, Charlie

38:06

Skipdown back to Indianapolis

38:08

where he was arrested March of nineteen

38:10

fifty six.

38:12

His probation was revoked and he was sentenced to three years

38:15

at terminal island in Los

38:17

Angeles. Charles Manson is

38:20

like the the

38:22

definition of, like, failing

38:24

upwards. But, like, in the criminal sense,

38:26

like, he just keeps getting caught and caught

38:29

and caught. Then becomes like the biggest criminal that you

38:31

can become. Right? Like, he just

38:33

fell ass backwards into becoming

38:35

a top tier

38:37

criminal.

38:37

Never thought

38:37

about that way. He's not good at being a

38:40

criminal. I guess, top tiers

38:42

is a subjective time

38:44

depending on. Overlooking

38:45

at. Well, I just mean And that's an absolute heinous stuff. Right?

38:47

Yeah. Maybe he's not a a serial

38:49

killer, so to

38:52

speak, but Like, you know, this guy

38:54

wasn't good at the little crimes and then he

38:56

goes up, you know, moving

38:58

on

38:58

up. Yeah. Halter skelter is

39:00

still the best selling True Crime book ever

39:03

written. That makes sense.

39:04

Yeah. Mhmm. Was Jim

39:07

Jones operating in Indianapolis around this time

39:09

when he was

39:10

there? Maybe he could have

39:12

found some salvation with Jimmy

39:14

instead. No.

39:15

He'll find a different cult, Dave. Will

39:17

you just wait? Who

39:19

would have been

39:19

around this time somewhere.

39:22

He hopped over to

39:24

Brazil. South America sometime in his time

39:25

frame, but yeah. Was getting

39:28

paid to fuck that broaden. Right?

39:30

Yeah. Yeah. He was doing my friend for

39:32

the cause. Yeah. I

39:34

forgot all of you. This

39:37

cult guy. I gotta become a cult leader. He

39:40

just started saying, shit.

39:42

Yeah. I'm gonna turn

39:43

Cox across America into a cult. I

39:45

think you could probably do that pretty easily. So now you

39:47

have to you have to pay

39:49

me. I don't wanna

39:50

ask my wife, but then you also have to listen

39:52

to everything I say. But

39:55

it's like wrestling is real. Movies

39:57

are fake. I'm pretty sure

40:00

the Howard Stern shows fake.

40:02

It's a script that they write it all out ahead of

40:04

time. Go tell everybody. I'm gonna fuck your wife. That'll be five hundred

40:07

dollars. Also, you

40:09

no longer have belongings. Gonna

40:11

go live in a Embassy Suites belonging.

40:14

That's our compound in Embassy

40:16

Suites.

40:16

Every room on every floor. Yeah.

40:19

Still a fantastic hotel for the price you

40:21

pay. I think we've talked about this before. You're

40:23

a

40:23

fan. That manager special they have, you get some

40:26

free drinks. Anyways,

40:29

coming

40:29

soon, while Charlie was there at Terminal

40:32

Island, Rosalie gave birth to

40:34

their son, Charles

40:36

Manson Junior, Also his mother, Kathleen, came back into the picture for

40:38

a bit. Rosalie moved in with

40:40

Kathleen, and the two

40:42

of them raised Charlie

40:44

Junior together. However, in March

40:46

of nineteen fifty seven, the visits from

40:48

Rosley stopped, and Kathleen told

40:50

Charlie that Rosley was living with

40:52

another man. Less than

40:54

two weeks before he had a pearl

40:56

hearing scheduled, probably tried to escape

40:58

by stealing a car. He got

41:00

out of the walls and was able to

41:02

get into car, but was

41:04

caught. And he was

41:06

given another five years

41:08

probation and that parole

41:10

was denied. Poor guy.

41:12

Is Charlie Manson Junior still kicking

41:14

around these days? Maybe we can talk about him

41:16

and look him up at the end

41:17

there. I don't know. He's got another

41:20

sun coming up next week. Okay. Great. Great. Alright. Some lineages

41:22

that just need to keep going

41:26

on. So glad he procreated.

41:28

You're putting this in that

41:29

cataract. Oh, yeah. That's fine. During

41:31

his time at

41:34

Terminal Island, Charlie really looked up to the pimps and wanted to figure

41:36

out how they operated. He

41:38

listened to everything that he could learn

41:40

from them, And

41:42

when he was paroled in September of nineteen fifty eight, he

41:44

immediately started looking for a girl to

41:47

pimp. By November nineteen

41:49

fifty eight, he was pumping out a

41:51

sixteen year old girl, but wasn't as successful as he hoped to

41:53

be. To make ends meet while trying to be a

41:55

pimp, Charlie was arrested in

41:57

September of nineteen for attempting

42:00

to cash a thirty seven dollars

42:02

and fifty cent US treasury

42:04

check. For

42:04

this, he received a ten year suspended

42:07

sentence and was sent on his way.

42:10

Goddam, man. Pimp at nine easy.

42:12

That's alright. Now

42:14

the way that he talks about this is,

42:16

like, the man's coming down on him for trying to cash a thirty seven

42:18

dollar check. It's like there's

42:20

a lot of other things going

42:23

on behind the scenes. That

42:25

you've been doing. It's not just a thirty seven

42:28

dollar check that's the

42:30

issue. His divorce from

42:32

Rosalie and was finalized the year before.

42:35

In nineteen fifty eight. And as soon as

42:37

he was let off with the suspended

42:39

sentence, Charlie married a woman that

42:41

he ended up pimping

42:43

out named Leona. Charlie heard about a big convention going

42:45

on in New Mexico, so he took Liana and another

42:48

woman down there to have them do

42:50

sex work. Was

42:52

it a Roswell convention?

42:55

Possibly.

42:55

See? So it was a

42:57

leather man convention. Look

43:00

at all these weather balloon and meteorologists all

43:02

from all across the country. Charlie

43:04

was

43:05

not a good pimp.

43:08

And pretty much as soon as they showed up in New Mexico, he was questioned under

43:10

the man act, which was, from

43:12

my understanding, like, an early sex

43:16

trafficking law. Regarding, like, taking

43:18

prostitutes or sex workers or

43:20

cross date lines. I think it was

43:22

based off

43:22

of, like, the police used to come up to you

43:24

and be like, hey man, Are you sex trafficking? Mhmm.

43:26

And then you have to tell them what they

43:28

ask you and so they can the man

43:31

act. Genius.

43:34

Well, Like, I don't know how they come

43:36

up with these law names. The way

43:38

it is. Like, did we really think he'd

43:40

be a good pimp? Like, the guy's gonna

43:42

stiff the girl and she's gonna like, well, my

43:44

pimp's gonna get you. And he's he's looking around where? Oh, he's down here. He's

43:47

five foot four, my pimp look. He's down

43:49

here. He weighs a hundred and four

43:52

pounds. And, also, he's not good any ever

43:54

worked -- Right. -- participated in. So Yeah.

43:56

Five foot four. He's like, you just flick

43:58

him away and use Lee.

44:02

So he was let go. They just questioned him, but

44:04

authorities kept their eye on him,

44:06

and he knew that. You know, he

44:08

knew that they weren't gonna stop falling

44:12

him around and seeing when he was up to if they just questioned him right away.

44:14

So he went down to

44:17

Mexico. He talks about living on

44:19

the streets of Mexico. Doing

44:22

a bunch of drugs. He says that he

44:25

was riding bulls, if they

44:27

were teaching him how to you

44:29

know, hold the cape and do all the matador type

44:32

stuff, ride little

44:34

pony maids.

44:37

A bull's

44:40

cock is bigger than this at this

44:42

point. Right? Like, he's he's still young. He's not

44:44

even fully grown probably

44:46

yet. It can be a

44:48

a dog race chalky or

44:50

something. He said that he he

44:53

wanted to get some mushrooms while he was down there

44:56

and he had heard about a

44:58

tribe that had

45:00

access to a certain kind that he wanted. And everyone told like,

45:02

you're crazy. You can't go there. They're like,

45:04

a, you're white. You know?

45:06

You're definitely an outsider. You're not gonna

45:10

be welcome. Like, it's a for real tribe. The way he

45:12

tells it is he showed up and tried to bargain

45:14

with them and they're like, you need to

45:16

leave, you know, and kinda like

45:18

fuck off. And

45:20

he tried to trade something to them. They didn't

45:22

want it. So he had a gun that

45:25

was unloaded. He didn't have

45:27

any bullets and he had a gun.

45:29

So he was like, oh, I'll trade you this and he pulled it out. And they're like, hey,

45:32

motherfucker. And

45:36

He's like, no. Look at it. Like, I'm just trying to give it to you. He gives it

45:38

to the guy that guy puts it in the Charlie's stomach,

45:40

pulls the trigger, but there's no bullets

45:44

in it. And Charlie just smiles at the guy. And they're like, you're

45:46

fucking crazy. And they just gave him his mushrooms

45:48

and let him go on

45:50

as well.

45:51

Finally, a win.

45:53

Three. Yeah. He's like, oh, yeah,

45:55

a mission accomplished. I'm pretty sure that

45:57

didn't happen, but It's a sweet

45:59

story. Oregon. I'm counting that.

46:01

That's a real one. Mhmm. I'm choosing

46:03

to believe that. Like, some of those ghost stories we talk

46:05

about are pulsed to guys. We're like, no, we don't

46:07

believe it, we're choosing to the world's a better place if that

46:09

happened. Right. Right. And this story is not

46:11

gonna be

46:11

great, but I'm believing

46:14

that one. Seems like a very

46:16

Charles Manson thing to it's

46:18

certainly to to smile when someone pulls the

46:20

trigger. Don't yell or anything to

46:22

smile. To

46:24

smile. Yeah. So somewhere in that hole

46:26

getting the mushrooms in

46:28

Mexico, Charlie went

46:32

to Texas. With his wife

46:34

at that time, Leona. In Texas, Leona got herself

46:36

arrested on a prostitution charge.

46:40

And she flipped on Charlie as she should have. He was a

46:42

real piece of shit to women. Like, we've,

46:45

you know, joked around about him, but

46:47

his pimping stuff is really

46:50

gross to read about. He's a piece of shit. Like, definitely,

46:52

he's not a good person.

46:56

And he was 1 and

46:58

so Charlie was arrested and sent back to LA. Once

47:00

he was in Los Angeles, his

47:02

suspended ten year sentence was reversed

47:05

Charlie Woods ordered to serve those ten

47:08

years. And that's the way he talks about it. It's

47:10

like ten years for a thirty seven

47:12

dollar check and There's a lot of play

47:14

the other factors at play here, not just

47:16

that check. Got it. He spent

47:18

the first year of that sentence fighting

47:22

to appeal which delayed him being sent to prison. He was at

47:24

Los Angeles County jail for a

47:26

year. After that year, he said

47:28

that he was getting sick of

47:30

dealing with all those, like,

47:32

small small time crime

47:34

bullshit. So he gave in and

47:36

accepted a sentence. And at that point, he was

47:38

sent to McNeil Island penitentiary

47:40

in Washington state. While

47:42

at McNeil Island, Charlie

47:44

took an honest look at himself for the first

47:46

time in his life, that he

47:48

wasn't this kinda this bad ass

47:50

that he had built himself up to be in

47:52

his mind, but he was just a

47:54

petty thief and learn to talk

47:56

his way into and out of situations. He started to look for a meaning

47:58

in life and trying to get

48:00

on a work program like learning a

48:04

trade. However, because of all his bullshit throughout his

48:06

incarceration, Charlie wasn't looked

48:08

at for those programs. He tried

48:11

looking at religion, Christianity

48:14

first, but he said ninety percent of Christians he

48:16

met were liars and thieves almost as bad

48:18

as he was. He dabbled

48:20

into scintology a bit and said that

48:22

Diagnostics helped him out a lot

48:24

as far as recognizing

48:26

his shortcomings. Sure.

48:30

Maybe. But things

48:32

clicked for Charlie

48:34

when he met Alvin, creepy,

48:38

Carvis. A quick summary on this guy. He

48:40

was a depression, Aaron

48:42

gangster, called creepy for his smile.

48:44

Andy was the leader of

48:46

the Barker Carpus gang in

48:48

the nineteen thirties. There

48:50

were only four public enemies ever to be

48:52

given the title of public enemy number

48:54

one by the FBI and he was

48:56

the only one to be taken

48:58

alive. So a very

49:00

badass criminal.

49:02

Yeah. By the time Charlie met Alvin, Alvin had thirty

49:04

years in prison and for whatever

49:06

reason he would talk to Charlie and

49:08

let Charlie sit with him during mealtime.

49:12

1 they got closer, Charlie tried to sell cytology to

49:15

Alvin. And Alvin was

49:17

basically, like, kids stay away

49:19

from all that bullshit. And

49:21

listen to what I have to tell you. And

49:24

according to Charlie, Alvin kind

49:26

of gave like, passed

49:28

along his criminal wisdom --

49:29

Right. -- to him.

49:31

To get slogan for Scientology. We're too

49:33

crazy for Charlie Manson.

49:37

So Alvin helped

49:39

him learn how to play guitar while he was

49:41

in prison during this time. It was nice of

49:43

him. He always got like, he wanted to get

49:45

on the work schedules, like,

49:48

like, we talked about, like, welding something like that.

49:50

And because he fucked

49:52

around so much and his

49:55

record was terrible, he always

49:57

got denied and music was not considered a work

50:00

program, but he figured out a way to get

50:01

himself, you know, a

50:04

guitar and be able to

50:06

do that. Broadening his horizons. I think he's gonna turn

50:08

himself around soon. Part two

50:09

is gonna be

50:10

all happy stuff. Yeah. I think it's a

50:13

big music career. Everything changed for him when with

50:15

music. One could argue

50:18

all of this is because of his

50:20

music. Interesting

50:21

foreshadow there. Mm-mm. I

50:24

like it. I sorry.

50:28

After seven years of being at

50:31

McNeil Island, Charlie was sent back to

50:33

Terminal Island in June of nineteen sixty six

50:35

for early release. At that point,

50:37

he had spent more than half of his thirty

50:39

two years in prison and other

50:42

institutions. The only issue

50:44

this time was that Charlie didn't wanna

50:46

leave. He was comfortable at McNeil,

50:48

and he knew how the

50:50

system worked. He didn't wanna be freed. Charlie asked to

50:52

stay, but the guard just laughed at him and sent

50:54

him on his

50:55

way. About that, Charlie

50:58

said, quote, The release procedure is a simple one, a

51:00

last photo for the files, and

51:02

address and instructions to report within twenty

51:04

four hours to your

51:06

parole officer. If you have money on

51:08

the books, they give it to you. If the

51:10

government is helping you with the funds, those

51:12

funds would be picked up at the time you

51:14

check-in with your PO. You get thirty

51:16

dollars until you see your P01

51:18

of the institution vehicles takes you to

51:20

public transportation and the driver says

51:22

goodbye, and in some cases wishes you

51:25

good luck. After that, you are on

51:27

your own.

51:27

Sounds great. Welcome back,

51:30

pal. We

51:32

missed it. And then he hangs

51:34

himself in the room like Brooks did --

51:35

Yeah. -- institutionalized.

51:38

That's where we'll pick back up on part

51:40

two. It's

51:41

quite a foundation for Charlie. He's lived

51:43

quite

51:43

the life in thirty two

51:45

years. Yeah. Given

51:46

away for a picture

51:47

of 1 terrible

51:50

at committing crimes. Bad

51:51

at pinping. Not good at

51:53

pinping. But who is? It's very difficult

51:56

work, Dave. It's

51:58

interesting that he wanted to

52:00

stay in prison at the

52:02

end of that. He was more

52:04

comfortable there

52:05

that, you know, He spent more than half of his life. It's

52:07

the only consistency he

52:08

ever had in his life. Yeah. Maybe

52:10

they should have obliged him. There

52:13

could be an argument made for that. Someone asked to stay

52:15

in prison, maybe we could just let him hang in. Oh,

52:17

we could? Maybe

52:18

there's a special section

52:20

for them. Yeah. I mean, you certainly you don't wanna keep

52:23

them in prison if their term is up.

52:25

But if someone's telling you,

52:26

like, hey, I'm not ready to

52:28

be out should be maybe something something.

52:32

Alternate path, perhaps. And

52:34

how quick the release process

52:36

is that he describes. That's why I put that

52:38

quote in here just because I was

52:41

really surprised by, you know,

52:43

you're there for 767

52:45

years. And alright. So you like, no halfway house.

52:48

You know, here's thirty dollars. We're in

52:50

your way. So,

52:53

yeah, in part two, we'll

52:55

start getting him to

52:57

him building the Manson

52:59

family. Get to the beach

53:01

boys. Now we're talking. You

53:03

like the beach

53:04

boys, Mike? And well, I don't know.

53:07

Okay, I guess. It's just full house. Right? I

53:09

that's not the first thing I think of

53:11

with them, but certainly top three.

53:14

Yeah. I think of that and current with the

53:16

frog.

53:17

Yeah? That might be my top three. What's the what's

53:20

the well, the first one, I think, of the sump. What is a

53:22

Kokomo? So that's the first thing I

53:24

think

53:24

of. Awful song. That's just

53:26

what I

53:26

think. Cool. Cool. Yeah. That's the one

53:28

with the Well, it's

53:29

a Her statement.

53:30

Right? Or

53:30

statement does he do that one? It

53:33

doesn't on the full house show. I don't know if he was actually

53:35

I don't know about all the backstory with it. It's one of

53:37

those songs though that when

53:39

you hear, like, it's get

53:41

stuck in my head for weeks. Like, you can't

53:44

get it out of your head. Maybe that's why I think

53:46

about

53:46

it. That's the first thing I think of

53:48

because You know? I I don't

53:50

think I can name many more beach boy songs. A

53:52

few but not a ton. Mhmm.

53:56

Like, their album pet sounds is on every top

53:58

three album list ever.

54:01

Right? It's pet

54:03

sounds. Pet sounds. And it's just, like, three albums. Oh, yeah.

54:05

It's,

54:05

like, sold consistently

54:06

number two of the best albums ever.

54:09

Brian Wilson is considered to

54:11

be a genius. Absolutely.

54:14

I just let me see. I'm gonna look at that by saying. I don't know. don't know

54:16

what well, it's very much just that kind

54:18

of it's very specific genre

54:20

of music. I suppose. Yeah.

54:24

I'm like,

54:25

what am I missing here? Let me listen to this again. I I just don't love

54:27

it. Maybe you haven't had enough deckeries.

54:30

I mean, that sounds. Wouldn't

54:33

it be nice? Like some

54:35

of the classics, you know? But

54:37

it's just it's it's like some

54:39

song you hear on a commercial for

54:41

ice cream or

54:42

something. Like, snap

54:44

musical genius in my opinion. That's

54:46

the

54:46

only song I know on this album just based on

54:48

the title. I'm sure if I played them, I'd

54:50

know more, but I don't know. Alright. Specifically,

54:52

we'll be talking about their

54:55

drummer. Okay.

54:56

How many guys are in the band?

54:59

Seventy seven. It's like a

55:01

winter skinner type thing. It was a lot.

55:03

But they're not still around now. Right? Like,

55:05

they're all either dead or they

55:07

just kind of retire and Well,

55:09

Brian Wilson had mental illness and

55:09

stuff. He went through a lot of things. But there

55:11

was 1 little bit of a pass

55:13

away or is

55:15

I don't

55:15

know. I don't think so. He's gets a friend and

55:18

great. I think he is. Yeah.

55:20

Has not the the direction I thought this

55:22

beach boys conversation was

55:24

gonna go. Somebody 1,

55:26

someone drown in Kokomo? Probably.

55:31

Yeah. The beach boys drama plays a big part in the

55:33

story. Interesting. Alright. Next

55:36

week. That's intriguing.

55:38

Big

55:38

part. Wouldn't it be

55:40

nice? Alright. Anything else on

55:43

part one? Nothing for

55:46

me? Alright.

55:48

I might as well just go take a piss break

55:50

with The amount of names

55:52

that you've had to read next. Got

55:55

some shout outs here from way

55:58

back in the beginning of December since we've been off for so

56:00

long. I'm not gonna read all of them. I'm

56:02

gonna split half and then roll half

56:04

into patrons next week. So

56:07

should probably say that one more time for all the patrons

56:09

out there. If you are a new patron over the

56:11

last couple weeks, if you don't hear

56:14

your name, Red Tonight, we will get to it next week we promise. We're just

56:16

splitting it up so that Dave doesn't have two

56:18

hundred names to get through

56:19

tonight. That's correct. So take it

56:21

over. Here we

56:24

go. Jeff C. Meredith Bowman,

56:27

Zand Gantar, Mike and

56:29

I and RKOs, Dave, through

56:32

tables. Mackenzie, Emily Wheeler,

56:35

Alex Palmer, Jason

56:38

Stanley, Jesper Nielsen,

56:40

Chris Kibat,

56:42

Spenser, Logan, Madison

56:45

High Tower, Ellie Finnigan,

56:48

Little butcher boy, a k, the

56:50

meat beater.

56:52

He looks to Master Bank. Summer,

56:56

Ashley Henderson, McKenna

56:59

Wicks, Adam Fletcher, NASCAR

57:03

sucks Mike. Burrito. It must be a Howard Stern fan.

57:10

William Heaster. Ranch

57:12

Moll, William Beatty,

57:15

Hayley MacRichey, Matthew

57:18

Carol, Ashley

57:20

Bunker, Jessica Hall, Lee Ramsay

57:23

nine, Pranilla, YesFO,

57:27

Niki Poo 9919.

57:30

Jess, Carrie Scott, Joaza

57:34

Bullfrog, like Jeremiah

57:36

was a bullfrog. Jay was a bullfrog,

57:38

I guess. Sorry. Jay was a bullfrog.

57:40

What'd you say Jay Wassa?

57:42

I was just agreement altogether.

57:45

Jay Wassa bullfrog. ZRW

57:48

fifty one fifty,

57:52

brand dizzle. Colton DeLong,

57:56

Derek, Stacey Vales,

57:58

CyberX Kitty, Brandon O'Brien,

58:02

Jacqueline Swifford, Mike Wasabi,

58:05

s Rosebrock, midnight

58:08

muffin, Taylor Bell,

58:12

Marley Harper, Mason Armstrong, Twisted

58:14

Woodcock, Sylvia

58:16

Beltram, Matt,

58:20

Howie Felder Snatch.

58:23

Dave Snacks, Taylor

58:26

Campbell. Sowen

58:29

Wapapa, Bob,

58:32

Nicole Smith Bosch,

58:35

Denise Cuppy, Alex. Jessica l

58:38

Alexander, Devon Layman,

58:42

Eva Lynch, Caitlin and

58:44

Kristen are besties.

58:47

Willis Wayne, Nick

58:49

Twite, the crusty twat

58:51

waffle, Tri Gun seventy seven,

58:54

Echo Ash, arguably

58:56

AFL, Sarah

58:59

Butler, Sylvia Darnell, bad

59:02

ultra boy. I've been there,

59:04

pal. Sarah Dagen,

59:06

Nick Kerr, Meredith Moore, Louie

59:10

Benevidez, Alice

59:12

McFarlane, Jeff Bertrand, Connor

59:16

Mahuti, Ashley

59:18

Stubb, Antonio

59:20

Dowell, Cheyenne Jones, Rachel

59:24

Fender, Jen Gibbs,

59:26

Rosie Pike, a Rosie Pick,

59:29

Jacob Summers, Caitlin

59:33

Wiesrack, Charlotte Aston.

59:35

Listen here, Pilgrim. Mike's

59:37

Clit is in John Wayne's crawl John

59:39

Wayne Gacy's crawl space. It's a

59:41

very specific thing.

59:46

I love sucking big juicy cock's raw.

59:48

Okay. That's safe.

59:49

Don't put that on the

59:51

sound board. That bet

59:54

he will. Kaitlyn

59:56

Garman. Mike, please come back. My mom

59:59

says you're my dad. Nope.

1:00:04

Margaret. Still waiting

1:00:06

for the island hashtag DIM.

1:00:09

Hey with Jablomi. Terry

1:00:12

Link. Nick Messner, John Bounds,

1:00:15

Tyler Brammer, and

1:00:17

Crapping ass. Thank you so much to

1:00:19

all our new patrons. Like

1:00:22

I said, we'll get to the second half of the patron list

1:00:25

next week. So, you know,

1:00:27

so we don't force

1:00:28

it. No. That's not a bad

1:00:30

thing. Right? Too many patrons? Yeah. That's

1:00:32

alright. It's an okay problem to have. But, yes,

1:00:34

don't feel bad if we didn't get you tonight, we

1:00:36

will get to you next week promise. We'll

1:00:39

we'll get there. Bear with

1:00:41

us. Ian, what do you got? Four

1:00:44

iTunes I've shot out for.

1:00:46

28388.

1:00:48

Film grip 0311.

1:00:50

Mike didn't pull out,

1:00:52

b random k,

1:00:55

rock and rosy, and Banana Jeana, and thank you

1:00:57

guys for the awesome reviews. Dave, you got anything else? Yeah. Some forum

1:00:59

ones. I'm gonna apologize though because they don't last

1:01:02

very long on this list and

1:01:04

I didn't I wasn't keeping track

1:01:06

one for a couple weeks, so if he hit us

1:01:08

up three four weeks

1:01:10

ago. I I'm sorry. You didn't have to do

1:01:12

it again because I and I'm not able to see

1:01:14

him anymore. But I have

1:01:16

Jan Lou zero nine from

1:01:17

Australia. This total

1:01:17

morons. I'm not gonna read

1:01:20

that one.

1:01:21

1 been

1:01:25

called worse. Sam

1:01:28

Bammam. Sam Bammam

1:01:30

from Ireland. And

1:01:32

la lick from Canada. Oh,

1:01:34

wait, it does go back now. Mister

1:01:37

Nacho Man from Canada? Oh,

1:01:40

yeah. Jia

1:01:44

201077 from Great

1:01:46

Britain. Town CD

1:01:48

from Canada, bombastic Zaza

1:01:51

from Australia, and I think

1:01:53

that brings us current

1:01:55

from last time. Thanks for the awesome reviews, guys. And

1:01:57

now we're all caught

1:01:58

up with

1:01:59

the international ones. Yeah. Yeah. That was cool. I think

1:02:01

they used to take him away after,

1:02:03

like, ten days, but yeah,

1:02:05

they're still there. Military? I have a

1:02:08

couple military shout outs.

1:02:10

Edward Boeing retired army

1:02:13

vet. Nicholas Stamp, retired Marine

1:02:16

Corps vet, and Tyler Chen with retired

1:02:18

Navy vet. Thank you so much

1:02:20

for your service, guys. Good stuff.

1:02:22

Yeah. Thank you. I do have a couple

1:02:24

of other shout outs. People that sent us things

1:02:26

over the over the

1:02:28

holidays. Shot to faith from Virginia

1:02:30

Beach. She sent us those mugs

1:02:32

and calendars. With her artwork that she took over. Various

1:02:34

places in Virginia Beach, I guess.

1:02:36

Yeah. Very cool. Awesome. And then

1:02:38

the shout out to Sean who sent us a

1:02:40

Chase Elliott

1:02:42

hat and was it a signed hat and signed

1:02:44

photo

1:02:44

of Chase Elliott over there? Yeah. We got

1:02:47

it on our little gimmick

1:02:49

shelf over there. Hatton.

1:02:52

I forget what the the the pictures

1:02:55

are called. Yeah. But they have a specific name, but

1:02:57

-- Oh, okay. -- little Chase Elliot

1:02:59

signed picture

1:03:01

in in Hat. Very cool. Loved it. Thank you. One

1:03:03

other thing to mention. I know, do you guys remember when you're talking

1:03:06

about the

1:03:08

charity donations? Before the holidays when

1:03:10

you go to the store. Like, hey. You wanna donate a

1:03:12

dollar to the dog's nuts

1:03:14

health? Yeah. I remember when you you buried

1:03:16

that whole system in

1:03:18

the day.

1:03:19

A whole rant about that

1:03:19

for about twenty five minutes. Well, we were just speaking

1:03:22

off the cuff and saying that they're

1:03:24

probably deducting those taking the

1:03:26

tax deductions on their own

1:03:28

corporate taxes. We were

1:03:30

informed by a credible

1:03:32

CPA who is also a patron that

1:03:34

absolutely does not happen and they do

1:03:36

not take those

1:03:38

tax deductions. So we can see your name up at drug mart Dave? No. I still it's

1:03:40

still fucking I'm a brutally shit.

1:03:42

It's still a scam. Because

1:03:45

after we got that email, I was looking around and CVS

1:03:48

actually just got fined. So they weren't

1:03:50

actually taking the deductions, but

1:03:52

they had they had already

1:03:54

promised a specific millions of

1:03:56

dollars to some charity. Mhmm. So then they were

1:03:58

doing the soliciting and using that money

1:04:00

to fulfill that obligation that they already had

1:04:02

on the books. Oh,

1:04:04

which is fucking fraud.

1:04:06

Fuck you. CBS.

1:04:09

You

1:04:09

were so much

1:04:11

Hulu and you were RevCo. Like,

1:04:13

that's absurd. Yeah. There's a lot of town food we're going on with that

1:04:15

half. So

1:04:15

That's in the fucking things that Walmart

1:04:18

asking you and the self

1:04:20

checkout lines. Pop up. Oh, yeah. just

1:04:22

a little 1, You know?

1:04:24

That don't mean anything. I give Walmart

1:04:26

a one star every time I go there.

1:04:28

And, like, it pops up on there. It's like, how was your rate your experience? I always hit

1:04:31

once. Yeah. You keep going. Yeah.

1:04:33

I mean, there's price Yeah.

1:04:35

Well, that fucking place. It's

1:04:38

awesome. I love going there. What do you say? The other day, I was

1:04:40

figuring out you was like, why do you always do

1:04:42

that? Watch you go to Target.

1:04:46

Go to Target sometimes. Target doesn't ask me how I feel about it though. What

1:04:48

would you say about them then? I'd probably get it

1:04:50

at one

1:04:51

store. Really? Just for the hell of it.

1:04:53

Someone once told me and I

1:04:55

have not noticed this, that target

1:04:58

all targets have the same exact

1:05:00

smell. Oh, yeah.

1:05:01

I've never noticed that. Does this smell like

1:05:04

Starbucks?

1:05:04

Is there usually a Starbucks in there? Because that's what

1:05:06

I assume. Well, I wonder if that changed now

1:05:08

since a most a lot of them have

1:05:10

Starbucks. But I I don't know. I never noticed

1:05:12

a target smell. And I I agree, like, some

1:05:14

stores have, like, a smell. I never

1:05:16

noticed that with target. But yeah.

1:05:17

I think so. But

1:05:19

1 think it sounds like it's a three Starbucks and Like,

1:05:21

delicious Starbucks stuff. Not delicious, but Starbucks. I'm a

1:05:23

just brew man.

1:05:26

I'm like, I can say that. I I don't

1:05:28

think I've ever had Starbucks coffee other than,

1:05:30

like, the maybe a cake

1:05:31

cup

1:05:31

in 1 second box. It's too

1:05:33

bitter. Yeah. But the smell of coffee

1:05:35

is always delicious. Right? Like, Doesn't it

1:05:37

all the coffee usually? Sure. That's what I think

1:05:40

that's what I

1:05:40

meant more.

1:05:41

Starbucks is like the IPA of the

1:05:43

coffee world people No.

1:05:44

So bitter. Oh, so good. Yeah. I just Make

1:05:46

it more bitter for me. Yeah. I've yet

1:05:48

to find an IPA that's been

1:05:52

so happy.

1:05:53

We'll take on that challenge. So anyway, thanks

1:05:55

to our our new CPA pal.

1:05:57

It's good for setting us straight. Yeah. Oh, we

1:05:59

don't know. We're pals

1:06:00

with them now. We're gonna go on to Starbucks with them.

1:06:02

I'm gonna ask them to do our our taxes this

1:06:04

year for free. Okay. For free. Well, but if they

1:06:06

if they hit the blue button, we'll make a two

1:06:08

dollar donation in their name for

1:06:11

whatever, you know, give the chair to

1:06:13

be set up. Just

1:06:15

a reminder, I

1:06:18

believe we mentioned it back on Patreon in

1:06:20

December, and Dave you mentioned it at the

1:06:22

start of the Best Of Show,

1:06:25

some changes to

1:06:27

our ten dollar tier level

1:06:29

at Patreon. For those of you that

1:06:31

are interested, we are going

1:06:34

to do mixing things

1:06:36

up a little bit instead of the Zoom

1:06:38

happy hours we have been doing

1:06:40

quarterly. We're gonna change those out

1:06:42

with quarterly Live

1:06:46

video of us recording an

1:06:48

episode. People have been asking and

1:06:50

clamoring for that for a

1:06:52

long time. Could

1:06:53

have seen my eye if we did it today. I could have zoomed right

1:06:55

into the camera. Yeah. Shit. I gotta, like, put it right

1:06:57

up into the camera.

1:06:59

Yeah. So people have been

1:07:02

asking for that for a long time, so we're gonna

1:07:04

do that quarterly. It'll

1:07:06

probably be a

1:07:08

bonus show, but we'll do

1:07:10

a show. And if you're at the ten dollar

1:07:12

level, you can either watch live

1:07:14

or will record it and post it later so you can watch it at a later date. And

1:07:16

the audio will be released as it

1:07:19

typically does, you know,

1:07:22

on the whatever platform

1:07:24

that episode was meant to be on. So we'll

1:07:26

do that once a quarter. First one will

1:07:28

probably be in March. We're

1:07:30

gonna continue we're gonna do

1:07:32

kind of a mix of three different shows throughout the year for that

1:07:34

extra ten dollar show. We're gonna continue

1:07:37

with the wrestling show that seems to

1:07:39

be popular. People like that.

1:07:42

So we're gonna do that.

1:07:44

We're gonna do Dave's unknown

1:07:47

wild card

1:07:47

show. Yeah.

1:07:50

Which is gonna be stories that you like, Dave, you described

1:07:52

it as, like, what's the museum show you

1:07:54

you said you like? Like, I love watching mysteries

1:07:56

at the museum. And, you know,

1:07:58

they'll do a story on something that happened like in seventy four. I'm

1:08:01

like, holy shit, there's no way that

1:08:03

happened. Right? I'm gonna I'm gonna

1:08:05

do stuff like that. And

1:08:07

it's wildcard because you, you know, the

1:08:09

the idea started it might be a true crime

1:08:11

story. It might be a missing person, missing

1:08:13

411 type

1:08:15

story. Just a Dave's kinda

1:08:15

wild card, something that hopefully no one's ever heard of

1:08:18

before. And again, these will you'll get

1:08:20

one one of

1:08:22

these three a month. So January is gonna

1:08:24

be a wrestling show. February will be

1:08:26

a Dave's wildcard. Yeah. And then March

1:08:30

will be Mike's history

1:08:31

corner. We'll do a history show. Talk about jerking off material. I can't wait.

1:08:34

So

1:08:35

there we go. So you'll

1:08:37

get you'll get four of each of those throughout the year at the ten dollar level.

1:08:39

And that's that's kind of replacing

1:08:42

the the wrestling movie back and

1:08:44

forth. We

1:08:47

had had. The movie show was fun,

1:08:49

felt like people weren't loving it as

1:08:51

much, so we're trying to give you more

1:08:53

bang for your buck.

1:08:54

I'm not sure we're

1:08:55

movie critics. Something I don't think so.

1:08:57

I don't think so either. Those are

1:08:59

the changes coming at the ten dollar

1:09:01

level and it starts this month. So if you're

1:09:03

interested, jump on over a Patreon and we got that going.

1:09:06

It should be fun. Good

1:09:09

wrestling one coming up. I think

1:09:11

it's gonna be a fun one. Yeah. Do

1:09:13

the top five most ridiculous and absurd WWE

1:09:16

storylines. And We're

1:09:18

gonna Ian and I are gonna put them together

1:09:20

the list, and Dave's gonna

1:09:22

explain them

1:09:23

to us. Okay. It'd be awesome.

1:09:25

That'll be at the end of

1:09:28

this month. Am I gonna have pre knowledge before the show or

1:09:30

no? I think going on blind. You should go on blind. Oh, but it's up to you. I think you should go on

1:09:32

blind.

1:09:35

I don't care. I might I might be half blind by that anyway, because ThinkGeek's

1:09:37

girl. I have to take

1:09:39

that eye out. So

1:09:41

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1:09:43

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1:09:46

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