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The needy podcast this is your host Mark glatzel and I am so excited to share the final interview of 2022 with you and today's interviewee is just.

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Beyond I adored talking to her and I can't wait to share her with you today's guest is Mimi Young

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Mimi Jung is a Taiwanese Canadian animist Spirit medium and the founder of ceremony

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an esoteric brand focused on imparting practical ancient wisdom so folks can actively receive support from Spirits break- patterns and celebrate their path.

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Mimi works at the intersection of animism and intuition ancestral wisdom Dream Work Witchcraft and other Chinese Mystic practices to communicate with the Unseen offer private readings education and mentorship

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and made order skin and Aura care.

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Mimi has held space globally in her mystery mentorship program and Retreats as well as collaboratively with Brands including goop almost 30 Spirit house Collective and Tokyo smoke.

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In the press and on podcasts her work has been celebrated by Vogue Loop refinery29 hey girl and more.

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Okay welcome Mimi welcome to the needy podcast I'm so excited that you're here so much for having me Maura

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so it's just a true Delight I was telling you of course off recording before we started

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just how much I have been enjoying immersing myself in your work over the course of the last couple of days getting ready for our interview today

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but for those who are tuning in who aren't quite as familiar with your work as I am could you tell us a little bit about

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what you do but really why you do what you do I'm an animist Spirit medium I own a

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small Brands called ceremony there's components of my work that surround holding space educating folks to tap deeper into what I call the Unseen increase that psychic.

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Language that we all have and also a provide things such as readings and products that are designed to support a heightened intuitive field I'm also a mom I.

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Yeah I'm mother two boys who are very very strong-willed and self-assured and really in many ways.

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It's not even really mothering many of the times I feel like I'm just learning you know like becoming a child again and again and returning to that then.

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Learning and healing in that process why do I do what I do I sort of feel like I fell into this and the more I think about it,

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the reason why I call it I fell into it is because I just started took this leap and something caught me.

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Someone caught me I don't know I think it was more like a network of energies that caught me and,

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it's really about this idea of falling because I didn't make plans it was essentially realizing

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that the reason why I do what I do is because I don't want to do I just want to be and by being I wind up doing and by being me

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I wind up just showing up in the way that is natural for me I love that that,

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really resonates with me and it's so it's interesting because you asked before we got on the recording I said how just was talking about how elegant I find your work and now that I've heard you introduce yourself

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I am realizing that a part of that what is soothing to me is that alignment because it feels very connected and very

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deeply rooted in intentional

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so wonderful welcome so we always kind of start with.

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A very broad question which is what is it look like for you to meet your needs

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on a daily basis like what are the rituals or routines or practices that sure you up on a very regular day I feel that for me,

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without you know making the sound too poetic is that I really pay attention to the highs and lows

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so like I really pay attention to what Delights me and also what drains me and then I lean into the Delight with just more of that desire to be and Delight

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as a way to meet my knees and I also over the years have really just cultivated a practice of.

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Being curious of why I feel drained or when I feel drained and what it is that makes me feel trained and when I can have.

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Productive conversations around draining red and just saying like that's bad and leaving at that let's say it's more like well why does this drain me and then by exploring that I realize what it is that I need.

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And then of course I can link that back into a circle the light into that Rhythm of the light again I was reminded of.

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Something that I like to say to myself which is.

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More awesome unless suck which is of mushrooms like okay well you know

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yeah sucks awesome.

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Polly last suck I love I love.

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But I like that you know that that idea that it is a process of relating to yourself and paying attention.

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And you know I wonder I think sometimes when we have conversations or I have conversations with my clients about needs there is this desire to.

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Kind of drill down on what is needed.

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And so that we can stop thinking about it so we can just do those things kind of reliably and it never works.

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Because we're not static yes but I.

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Often here in that this exhaustion of all you know I can't just do a check things off of a list I have to like be in conversation with myself every day and.

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I'm curious for you about what the underpinning is for that practice or that commitment to yourself even when you might want to tune out or Nam out or.

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Find yourself disconnecting in some way what keeps you coming back to yourself it's interesting because we can see ourselves as one human being but we can also see ourselves as an ecosystem.

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Or our whole organism as a cell

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you know there's a speck let's say like the mitochondria I would be this energy center and so I equate that like yes we know that from a cellular function perspective,

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but me like me as a mitochondria what aspect is that I would say that's probably my hands is probably my thinking brain it's the doing right if it's the problem solving in the energy that's like exerted into that

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and then there's also this other part you know the nucleus like and maybe we can call that the authority within the organism and.

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For me I had operated backwards for so long I didn't give my authority the authority of that make sense.

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And I realized what I was chasing deep deep down.

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On the outside maybe it looked like I was ambitious maybe on the outside it looked like I was achievement-oriented or all these things but what I was searching was not praise ultimately.

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But I was searching for with safety mmm and when safety is something that has to be.

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Conditional like you know you have to check these boxes check these whatever in order to experience safety that actually negates the whole concept of safety like that's contradicting the components of safety safety is without condition.

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And so for me it's like going back to that inner conversation is the main point is about safety and then it means that sometimes I have to

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ask myself like is this really necessary because you're essentially creating another condition in order to exist no no this can wait or maybe this is not even important at all,

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I just have to go back to the safety piece mmm thank you for sharing that do you have.

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Kind of go to practices for meeting that need for safety if you notice your get off track.

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Yeah I mean I think on the outside it doesn't look like anything extraordinary or even special I think my go-to practices is quiet.

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Solitude. Nature like very simple things it's not gear you know it's not like like spiritual gear or like or things it's not like this five-step.

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Whatever it's just permission to exist inquietude Solitude Outdoors mmm I love that you have for me I think that one of the key practices that helps me.

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Realign with safety is stable blood sugar.

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Oh safety yeah and I took me such a long time to really honor that it's like oh well it has to be you know somehow fancier than it is but really it was like okay how about

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you just start with a couple of meals spaced out throughout the day and maybe some snacks and I love that

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what I love about these kinds of practices are things that are available you know getting being outside moments of quiet and.

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I'm curious for you living in a house with strong well to Children which I also how you navigate.

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Finding the time and space for just creating those moments of safety tending to your relationship with yourself how does that very practically how does that look for you I'm fortunate to have a partner,

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that tag teams pretty well with me so we a can do that we can communicate that with each other and say hey I need this evening off

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or vice versa there's that it also means I've seen this every time is.

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Taking like making it a priority to.

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And Empower my children to become more collaborative at home rather than always asking for me because I feel that that is also a component of it like when they when they feel that only,

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I can provide Solutions and that's eventually going to lead

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two more burnout for me there's that component where they can hopefully help each other find Solutions or find a way to navigate something that they think that only I can help them with

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and then other times it's just being direct with them it's saying hey you know between this time and this time I'm not you know I'm not.

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Going to be available and they know I'm home they know there's emergency fine but

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there's no emergency you know if they can't find their favorite pair of jeans because they're going to hang out with like some cool kids the next day like that's not an emergency and they know that and so they will have to try to figure that out

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and so I think it's not one thing it's many things and looking at things from a whole and then looking at them

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from an individual more like detailed perspective at the same time mmm I like that it strikes me that there's a you know similar to,

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looking at ourselves as if we are an ecosystem there is this tandem ecosystem that happens within our homes with the people and you know plants and and animals who live there yeah.

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Big time Big Time ecosystem so when I was thinking about this interview this morning I was coming back again and again to this question of how do we rebuild.

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A relationship with ourselves and how do we reconnect with our inner worlds.

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When that trust that we have in ourselves and in our bodies

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has been damaged by diet mentality or toxic productivity culture capitalism systems of Oppression and

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because of course we're embodying these systems as we interact with them over the course of our lives and we are so are quite literally conditioned.

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To mistrust ourselves and I'm curious how you think about you know I'm frankly curious about how that rebuilding looked for you what how you did that but I'm also curious how we might

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do that think about reconnecting with ourselves and especially how we Traverse that tender territory of I want I want this reconnection I want this reunions but,

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I'm afraid to trust it at the same time right and yeah and it's like for me and I am going to.

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Make the Assumption just because I've seen this with others I quit but stay with my clients that it's not.

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One button that we press and it happens it's.

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Daily decisions daily commitments and even within the day there's like we do this again and again it's so I would say.

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If we were to kind of look at this as a timeline which I know is not even a real thing because not all timelines are

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align you know many timelines are more like squiggles than lines but if we were to sort of break for the sake of you know a simple way to approach this I would say the first bit is too

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entertain that it is possible to reconnect with our inner worlds we can't even entertain that as a possibility or a plausibility then.

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It just makes it that much harder so I like to start there I like to start with this idea that it is possible and it is plausible and then.

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For me personally.

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I realized I had no relationships because they you know you were asking like how do we re cultivate this relationship with our inner world and with our bodies and such like I had no relationship and so,

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in many ways it was really positive when I came to that realization because it also meant that I could

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establish the sort of relationship that I would want.

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And so I wound up asking myself like in an ideal situation what would this look like and I would take the ideal and then I would sort of look at my reality and it's just like one step at a time.

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I think the rebuilding of,

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our relationship with ourselves and with the Unseen whether that unseen is inside of us or external of us I think,

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that rebuilding it is literally one.

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Nail at a time like you know we're just going at it or if you don't want to see it as a good rebuilding of a building it could be like a reweaving like it's that it is one thread at a time it's just for me it's a lot of patients it's a lot of tenacity.

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And it's also just aren't degrades its this playful element of War an imaginative element of like hmm what is ideal for me.

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And then realizing as we work through this squiggle of a timeline that the Aria ideals will change over time and then we can

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you know we can catch up with that too yeah I like thinking about the series as soon as you were talking I was thinking about how it's like an opening another opening

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another opening another opening that you know it just keeps almost like a kaleidoscope I used to love kaleidoscopes when I was a kid there he goes

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yeah because it's just like they're just be shifting and becoming new but made out of the same elements and shifting again and it's been so interesting for me to see how the more that I have embraced.

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My connection to myself and my connection to the ecosystem of my home and the ecosystem that,

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live here with that it is like that Kaleidoscope is like you think it's one way and then it's a new way and it just.

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You almost Marvel at the way that it shifts where once I think I wanted something certain and it goes back to that that need for safety is it where once I wanted it to just be away and know it now.

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The further and you get the more that you can just marvel at being delighted by how things are shifting.

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Beneath you it really is wondrous I mean kaleidoscopes yeah it's a young child it's like I love them too because it's this wondrous.

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Because they're very pretty and and they do inspire a sense of awe.

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Because it's beautiful and it's changing but it's utilizing the exact same components as before.

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Yeah and I love how you describe that as that's that's life because it is

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one is so interesting I mean I think you know I was listening this morning to the conversation that you had with Becca PS trolley we love Becca here on the needy podcast and I think that you had recorded that at some point in the earlier part of the pandemic

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yeah I was listening to it thinking about

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just how our Collective but certainly my personal relationship with uncertainty has shifted so much in the last couple of years,

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and coming to that point of not,

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even wanting to know all of the answers because I'm just so clear everything has been Stripped Away you know the answers just the idea that you know thing's for sure and that they don't change is.

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Glistening illusion that I clung to for a very long time and now no longer.

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I have but the beautiful upside of that is really taking a note and marveling and things as they change and,

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I was thinking the other day that I have over the course of this year been really embracing a term for myself which is to describe myself as having a rich inner world.

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Hmm and being so curious and I think this is why I'm drawn to your work being so curious about how people.

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Are in communion with their inner world and what that looks like it's like are you washing dishes what are you thinking while you're washing dishes are you you know do you Journal about your ideas do you

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have Alters that you're sitting at and what is that both the kind of.

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Magical and mystical but like the pragmatic ways that you fit that connecting with yourself in.

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Mmm I love this question oh my goodness okay so let's start with the dishes

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so I've talked about this in my work I'm particularly I did a see I just wrapped up a series called prayers and devotions in animism and so I essentially,

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walk folks through the series just how.

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Animate the world is from the natural world to the human-made world and everything sort of in between and one of the things I introduced to them is this idea that our homes are temples and I'm sure you've heard.

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Variations for that. But I really quite mean it's that our homes are temples and the kitchen being the real epicenter of what is sacred the kitchen sink for instance becomes this this fountain.

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The stove or oven or both becomes like the sacred fire.

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And so when I wash dishes I'm engaging with this eternal fountain.

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And so I'm touching water I'm literally making something dirty clean again and so I enter in with Messy thoughts

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and I sort that's what I do no one really sees that on the outside they think I'm just scrubbing pots but what I'm doing is I'm sorting out thoughts and I'm asking the waters too.

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Put them in the right place I'm asking them to clean with me and so essentially it's a daily ritual of planning.

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Of processing of reflecting of sorting of being made a new through this sacred fountain in the kitchen while doing dishes so yeah that's because everything is so alive and to me it's like.

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It's not just the literal there's the literal but then there's also something else that's happening at the same time if we choose to engage with it

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yeah so I would love for you to give us a little bit of a primer on animism

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as we delve deeper into this conversation because it's something that as I was reading this is certainly not the first time that I've encountered it but I've always put it in the category of.

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People who are smarter than me oh my God that's no think about this and it's so funny because I know that I.

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Do already very much think about this in my own way but yeah there was always something a little bit Untouchable about the concept for me and I think it is really really useful so I'm wondering if you would indulge us in a little primer.

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And what you mean so this is how I Define animism animism is the viewpoint.

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And then not only the viewpoint but then your response to that we appoint that everything is alive.

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Everything it is carrying its own form of Soul or consciousness.

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And that you as a human are just one intelligent being on this planet and in this universe.

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So it means that. Plants are aware and intelligent it means that rocks are it means that my.

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Mug of tea it means that the table where I sit at to eat my meals.

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It means that my kitchen sink and the water that flows through it.

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This is what I mean by this installment this this at like literally things are animated.

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And so rather than seeing the world as humans and objects.

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Or you know humans is being different separate then

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everything else it really wants that going back to that ecosystem where we are one part of the whole that life is not all about us and that others have a lot to say have a lot to share with us

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so in some ways it's really relieving because it helps me understand that I don't have to bear all my answers on my shoulders that this can be a collaborative experience.

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Maybe we can find collaborative maybe Solutions and if not certainly just engage in more relationship and it also asks me to be more responsible because now it's just not objects these are beings that are intelligent.

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And to a certain degree I want to honor them as realistically as I can when I imagine that in a world to where we're thinking about how you know sustainability and why we have what we have.

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Honoring the things that you know the in this kind of anti disposable culture that I'm certainly interested in engaging and I realize not everybody else but

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I always feel like I want to have my things for a really long time like an exceptionally long time I always say when I'm shopping for clothes I marry my clothes she's I'd never want to be without them ever and that.

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Process of organizing and external environment that reflects your internal environment and kind of coexisting.

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I don't know I when I was really when I was learning how to reconnect with myself I always found it really useful to have things around me that felt,

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the way that I felt inside that looks the way that I felt inside because when I looked at it it felt speaking to that need for safety it was like oh that.

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Reminds me of me right somehow it sees you in a way like

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to push past like that just the reminder it's like it's easy because it reflects you Mmm Yeah interesting so

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I want to know now all about what your house looks like it looks like a muggle house I feel

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like it's ya like you walk past a painting you know nothing with the eyes are not going to follow you like the way it does like in Hogwarts or something.

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But I think what's different is that I'm very very aware of the houses being alive.

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Mmm and not only the house but the land that is on and.

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The plants and the animals that like to you know come through as well yeah it's all of it.

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And it's also caring for the house in a way that's beyond just super like superficial like it's not just keeping it clean.

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But it's asking the house what it needs like I have an altar dedicated to the house and the land.

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That's one of the altars I have so maybe that part looks a little bit different than the average home but it's very small it's occupies a very tiny space,

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and it doesn't really look like much because I'm not really into fancy Alters that's not me I'm more about.

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Filter is essentially it's a.

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Visual place where the commitment can continue where we really that's what it that's how I say it and sometimes it can function as a portal like a portal opener but,

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and you know like at one now we're kind of going into magic which I'm happy to tell yes yes that's not magic but I guess what I'm trying to say is

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it's kind of going back to what I said earlier it's not about the gear it's about the energy that we bring in when I love that idea that you know the altar is the place where

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you're connecting with that you said it very eloquently and I'll butcher at but where are those where that commitment happens and

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you know I have also many altars in my house more than my partner.

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I would care for I think or understands is necessary but I always have one at my kitchen sink as well and part of the reason is because I spend a lot of time there

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yeah and it serves me to have that space be

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really intentional and you know it's not it's not fancy it's doesn't have a lot there but I love that idea of creating those visual reminders that connect you with your commitments yeah it's a

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I think that's also an extension of animism is that every component of the whole every being within the whole is

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they are functioning as a custodian of the hole in their own way so I recognize my role as a custodian in my own Ray are different than you know the role of a trees or you know or even of another human being but it's the acceptance.

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And the commitment that yes we I want to and I will

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it's not the size even just don't want it because it's like it's not just about intention it's really moving into impact

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both those things are so important yeah that's that I am a custodian so I'm curious about.

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What your life has been like up until this point and if this has always come.

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Really naturally to you or if you came into.

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This work in this way of being in relationship with your house with the land with yourself was there a turning point oh yeah.

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And yeah so chances are that that first question is like no I didn't start off this way well I did and then you know life gets you and then you don't and then you at some point some of us come back.

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Hopefully everyone does but you know it's everyone's life is different so I would say that for me.

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There's two big points I think when I became a parent.

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You know they brought my first son into the world that was when something.

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Irrevocable happened I couldn't even tell you exactly what it was but something happened and that was when it was just like I knew that I had to step in to me because how can you parents when you're not you.

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Other human being to be responsible for so that was one big one and then

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as an extension of that I made the decision to step away from the yet look from from the Evangelical Church that I was attending in my neighborhood and to walk away from

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the constructs that that particular local church you know was was really.

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Keeping me in this this place that was really not for me anymore and then by engaging.

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You know in this post Church Life which was essentially everything burned to the ground like I was literally left with nothing from a.

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You know social network perspective and even a belief system like I was like what what what I don't know it really.

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Asked me to go back into that first question that you had talked about this like.

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How do we reconnect how to rebuild with ourselves with our bodies with our inner worlds and so forth that's where I found myself well thank you for sharing with us I think it's always so interesting to me to know yeah and I think.

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A lot of times it is true right we know ourselves and then we get lost in the way become found again and I have noticed.

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And I have two girls and my oldest daughter is 6 and in the time.

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Of her short life I have just had to go through so much remembering.

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Of my so she's so similar to me when I was that age and yeah I think it is.

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Just interesting for me to hear you talk about that too because for me it was similar that having having her and then hurts her sisters like a total Spitfire and she's another story but it really just.

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Clarified and brought through and not in a very delightful way to be totally honest this whole.

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Both new and old way of being into real clarity.

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I mean that's that's the task of parenting you know it is this sweet sweet beautiful roll and then also.

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One where we are confronted our Old Wounds and our own biases and what is,

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I feel like the areas of conflict with our children whether if it's like the topics of conflict or like the the age when that that conflict is I think it's very very telling because that means that that's when we

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as children ourselves had experienced similar conflicts and essentially its parenting is almost like this it's a call to resolution

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you know and a call back to Harmony,

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and yet I'm sure there's new things too like I was I'm going to bring this up because it's kind of funny but also like it's a very very powerful experience for me at least was

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so I had all like I'm one of those parents that I don't.

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Necessarily like a sign more work for my kids other than what the teachers at school do

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the only exception to that is I am a bit of a stickler in terms of daily home reading I think reading is a very good thing to do and I've never been picky about what

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what they read but I've always been every day you should spend 10 to it depends on their age so when they're younger only about 10 minutes but now that

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my even my youngest one he 7i my oldest son's 14 my youngest I like for him I I would like him to spend 20 minutes reading any book of his choice doesn't matter even on like the level of

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like of difficulty it's like I just wanted him to read I want them to learn how to appreciate books and realize how reading is just this

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fabulous fabulous support system ultimately for us and so

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guess what he did because he didn't want to tell cast a spell on me he cast a forgetting spell.

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And he felt guilty about it after two weeks because I literally forgot it's the confessed I I was shocked I was like I've never taught you magic he's like well I've been watching you the whole time so it's not that hard to figure it out and I was like

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my love for her and that was when you know like being a parent it's like well now I have to talk about ethics like magic and ethics you know is it okay to do that to someone and so it's funny but then also it became really powerful when I was sick,

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I don't like like my kids are teaching me all sorts of things and I didn't realize I was teaching them to mmm I love that.

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And I think you know it is it is so interesting to me always.

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Like how it comes together I was at a dinner party last night and I was talking to a friend of mine and you know,

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just kind of how bananas it is that that we coexist How brave it is to even just coexist with other people.

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And we all have our own attachment stuff going on we all have our own wounds going on we're all in different levels of communication with ourselves and

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being in Partnership brings up all kinds of stuff parenting brings up all kinds of stuff from all just kind of here in the house together figuring it out and one reason that I love talking about needs is because I think that that's one of the things that.

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Helps us to co-exist is to have a working understanding of what we need and.

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That modeling to of

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no even just showing or kind of Illuminating what is possible to need when you're coexisting with other people inside of a house I'm always just so fascinated by that and I'm curious for you if you talk about needs directly if you kind of just show what you need how does that work for you

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wow um I think it depends sometimes we will bring it up directly another times.

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It just comes up sort of indirectly and you wind up surgery reading between the lines I guess it's I think when something is very important and we realize that.

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You know it's, what it is that we need it's not going to give me that need is not going to be mint necessarily unless we talk about it and bring it up then yeah the night like I said we do have been environment at home where we can,

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and that's something that I feel my older son is neurodivergent and so I've had to teach them how to advocate for himself at school and he's gotten,

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good at it over time but part of that is advocating for His Needs mmm-hmm and so sometimes like least in our situation is that we've had these.

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Bigger needs sometimes their urgent needs and sometimes they're just like simply.

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Non-negotiable I mean technically all needs are non-negotiable or not to my preferences right like and that's the thing like sometimes

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speaking with some of his Educators and most of us Educators have been really fabulous but once in a while you'll have someone who thinks that what he's asking for our preferences,

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and no they're not these are his needs.

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And so some of that of course can only happen when we are demonstrating that ourselves and modeling it and also doing that with each other just in our everyday conversations at home and it's not always met with

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support right like you try asking a 14 year old.

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To do something that you say is a need for yourself or need for the family they're going to have their own ideas at the same time like it's just that's the way it is hmm well it strikes me to that.

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There's a piece of food just such a service that we do and having these conversations with our families at all because I think you know something that I was struck by as I was,

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thinking about your work before we got on this interview is just about how we learn to trust in what is unseen.

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And do we learn to trust in what is unseen because I think for many of us we are conditioned to prefer

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a certain sense of tangible

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certainty and to even if we might kind of flirt with it discard things that aren't certain mmm-hmm and when it comes to needs needs are also.

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Largely unseen and.

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Even trusting in our own knowing of what we need can be has its own learning curve.

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I think you know I work with so many this is the reason I started this podcast is because so many people would say I've never heard any adult talk about their needs before before you and I think I'm,

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that is better now than it was you know five years ago certainly but I do think that we kind of lack and role models and part of that modeling.

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I'm just curious to hear about from you is like how do we how do we start trusting in things that we can't

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touch and we can't definitively and tangibly know

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yeah I would say well the first thing is when people say is it even safe to trust the intangible or the.

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The invisible the Unseen the the inner dialogue or even the invisible dialogue that's external

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I always just say well how is it working for you right now and through the tangible way back to the word they use earlier it's pretty sucky,

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like you know like it's everything and this is why I was willing to let everything go earlier like when I was talking about that earlier like in my life.

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It's because none of those things were working for me anyway so I felt I had nothing to lose and nothing more to lose I'd already lost faith in everything every single story every single fairy tale at every single.

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You know promise that was given to me none of them have actually panned out.

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Like you know all the stuff that you are told that if you do this you will be happy if you do this you will be safe if you meet this criteria you will no longer have worries for the rest of your life

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you will you know you will feel fulfilled you will have like meaningful relationships none of that was true,

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and I place so much trust in the tangible didn't work for me and if people are even curious.

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And they're starting to say things like that I would just go back to them and say like you know it's not working probably they're being honest or probably going to say no.

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And then once they are willing to have that really honest conversation then I'll say well then maybe this is worth a shot.

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Mmm we only need to take a couple steps.

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So a small small step into the unknown and see what happens so I'm realizing how quickly we're coming to the end of our time

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and it strikes me that taking a small step into the unknown is a really kind of delectable ending point although I am singing some Frozen lyrics in my head

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because that's the stage of parenting I'm in but I am wondering for people who are listening to this column thinking like yeah I want to take a few steps into the unknown where might they start

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what is perhaps a really simple practice that they could begin.

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Playing with or incorporating into their lives I would say go back to the body.

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Go back to the tangible and then go inside the tangible where you will actually be met with intangibles as well and then from the body like in so this is like listening to your body's needs.

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Giving your body the voice that they want to take up space for.

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But all that stuff and then within the body there's these invisible energies to the energies of your ancestors.

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And so that's when you know it's really easy to step into magic once we are willing to listen to our bodies because that's where it comes from it comes from our bodies that comes from the land it comes from the tangible.

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And then once we're able to move into a deeper layer that's where the intangible isn't that's where all that magic is so I would say step 2 is then begin cultivating a relationship.

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With your blood with and maybe it's going to be more than one bloodline so with the Bloodlines that you know typically it's our parents

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now like our biological parents or it could even be adopted parents because even with adopted parents you've been brought into cultures you've brought into families.

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That can take you into cultural ancestry not just biological ancestry.

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So that's where I would start and then yeah I mean we've been all that other stuff like we talked about maybe maybe an ancestral altar may be engaging in some incest t'rul,

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communication some of them might still be alive some of them may have passed on and are still around but in a different way.

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Yells in my practice it's essentially a communicating with the dead there's a word for it necromancy but the most important thing is a willingness to hear them.

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And then of course a willingness to honor them the simple things to honor them for instance like both my grandfather's have passed on.

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If I honor them on their birthdays I honor them on big lunar holidays where when they were alive they would have actually wanted to celebrate,

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so these are like the Lunar New Year or like the solstices big in my tradition could even be some of the like the big moon festivals and such so yeah that's when I'm giving extra attention to them,

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listening, offering all these sorts of things I would say that's the starting point even in my mystery mentorship which is essentially my version of Hogwarts there's like

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five modules but the first module that's where I start with and that interestingly enough I need that module or because I knew we had to start off with something tangible.

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Start off with the body and then we start with the start with ancestral connection we start off with Kitchen Magic like really doable stuff.

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I love it you may thank you so much for hanging out with me for this

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interview this has been just such a wonderful it's rare that I these days interview somebody who I

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I don't know really well beforehand and I was just so excited when you reached out to me and I've Loved getting to know your work and I am happy to get to share you with my community tell us where can we find you what are you up to

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yeah okay so I used to say come find me on IG but we all know that IG is just probably not the best place to hang

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as much these days so I'm going to start off by saying my website my website is shop ceremony.com.

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Ceremony of spelt with an ie at the end and then if you click on the top bar you can sign up for my newsletter and then for sure we can keep in touch that way and my newsletters.

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Once a month on average and that will contain links in terms of what I'm doing as well as new articles I write on my sub stack you know.

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Kind of the juicy stuff and yeah if you want to be on IG it's the same thing sharp ceremony with an ie at the end amazing.

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Well thank you I will put all of the links to all of that in the show notes there anything else you just gotta tell us before we wrap up

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I'd say our names are our allies I mean it's like what we were talking about before we start recording is just like.

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I wish I was sharing that I've made a commitment to not be in a state of resentment for the rest of my life which of course is not always possible but when I satisfy when I look at.

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Resentment as a friend as a teacher then what it is that she's showing me.

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Are my needs so if we can sort of look at all our needs as friends as allies as people who basically are watching for watching out for us,

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then it's no longer this once again checklist but it's more of this like beautiful living,

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conversation we can have with ourselves and of course with the people around us

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absolutely co-signed thank you so much great and I feel like we do know each other like honestly I know.

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Yeah this is a very say shade in conversation thank you.

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