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What's up, besties?

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Welcome back to another episode

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of Net Worth and Chill with me, your host, Vivian

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Tu, aka yourrichbff, and

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your favorite Wall Street curly. So this week

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we are doing a solo episode and we

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are going to talk about the only thing

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that TikTok seems to care about right now,

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which is sorority rush. And before

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you start rolling your eyes, just

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give me a second. In today's episode,

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we are going to talk about the actual

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pros and cons, the costs associated,

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the financial benefits, but we're also

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going to talk about how being in a sorority

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looks different on different campuses. And I'll

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give you my take on my personal experience, as well

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as my understanding of what a more traditional

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sorority environment could look like and

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my thoughts on those as well. Now, we're going to

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cover the good, the bad and the

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ugly about Greek life, how you can make it

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more affordable. And if it's something that

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you're interested in, what are some of the things

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you should know? And if you did see my

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short form video about this on social

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media about a week ago, I hope

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this also clears up a lot of questions

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that people had in the comments and

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helps to debunk a lot of those preconceived

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notions that those commenters were

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saying on that post. But let me go ahead

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and actually back up and give you a bit more context,

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especially if you are an international listener

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or you didn't go to a school with Greek life

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and you may not even know what a sorority

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or fraternity is. To put it really

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simply, it is a very

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involved club. Greek life at its

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core was a way for like-minded

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individuals to find community, and

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that eventually turned into sisterhood

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through sororities and brotherhood through fraternities.

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It involved things like social outings

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and community service. And over time,

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in many cases, it also started to encompass

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things like your housing on campus,

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as well as where you would eat your meals and where you

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would get your food. Obviously, there

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are a lot... of different versions of

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this. So for example, at Princeton

2:04

University, there's something called an eating club, where

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it's essentially you would agree to have all

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of your meals for your

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college experience. And you would have

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to apply and get invited and

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qualify essentially to be in these eating clubs.

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Or for the networking piece, there are certainly registered

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student organizations such as

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a Women in Business or at UChicago, we had

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something called DECA, where you would basically

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hone your skills in a certain career

2:30

field. Or if you were really interested in

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community service, you could sign up

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to be a part of something like a

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Habitat for Humanity, the Red

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Cross Initiative, or your school's

2:41

chapter, or I guess group

2:44

of Big Brothers, Big Sisters. These are all things

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that you can get outside of Greek

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life, but Greek life packages

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them into a nice little box with

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a bow on top.

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How did something that has been around

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for decades really blow

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up it seems over the past few years

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and become part of the pop

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culture zeitgeist? And where did

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this hype come from? Well, basically

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a couple years ago, the extravagant

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rush week at the University of Alabama blew

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up on TikTok and it is now known

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as Bama Rush. Sure,

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members of sororities do help each other

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with their classwork or go to

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community service

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events together, but frankly, those

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activities are not as visually fun

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to watch as the very

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superficial process that social media

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has now made very, very public

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and is putting at the forefront

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of everybody's cell phone. And that is what we've

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started seeing on TikTok over the past

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few years. And now what we're

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witnessing is many, many young

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women who have just arrived on campus

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at schools across the country, and they're

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just showcasing what it

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looks like for them to go through

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this sorority rush process, what they

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have to do, what those interview processes

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look like. And then on the flip side, girls who

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are already in sororities are showcasing

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all the work and effort and planning that

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goes into these rush events

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where they would be looking for new members to

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join the sorority. And no surprise

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seeing hundreds of women in matching outfits

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who are dancing and doing backflips and

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showcasing the massive mansion they live in. You

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know, of course that is eye watering and makes

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for a very, very convincing sales pitch

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to join any sorority. And like I mentioned,

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this has become such a hot topic in

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pop culture that companies like

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HBO Max, or I guess Max now, have done

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documentaries following this process.

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Theirs was called Bama Rush, and it was specific

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to the University of Alabama. And it's

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what I would say. is like a light expose

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of sorority infrastructure. It looked

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at what some of these young women had to go

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through, especially if they were not very

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confident public speakers or in an

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interview process. And it showed

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how they were practicing presenting themselves

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in a way that would allow them

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to go through this process and get into

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a house that they wanted to get into. And

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coincidentally, my new assistant also

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happened to be a University of Alabama

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sorority alum. And you know me,

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I'm so nosy, I was morbidly curious.

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So I ended up asking her, you know, from a financial perspective,

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how much does it actually cost to Rush

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at Alabama? And I was honestly

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really shocked at the number she gave me

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because it was a very stark

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contrast to what my sorority

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Rush experience was like. And it was

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quite a bit higher in terms of financial

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commitment. I did a short form video on this already,

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but if you didn't see it, I wanna give you a quick refresh

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from the jump, even just registering

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for Rush as a formal process is $375.

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And then to actually get your name

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out there to all of the different sororities, you're

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gonna end up spending about another $100 on

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recommendation kits, which has photos,

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information about you. And then you obviously have to pay

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to mail all these packages to different past

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alumni. And that's just the actual

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formal piece for Rush. Rush

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at many schools can be a

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multi-day experience. So

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you're gonna need to actually shop for outfits or

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at least come up with about a week's worth

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of clothes to wear anything from

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fast fashion to luxury designer. But

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again, you're gonna wanna budget anywhere between 500 to $2,500 for those

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clothes. And

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obviously I think there is a very important piece

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that we need to address is that when it comes to sororities,

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you are trying to put your best foot

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forward. First impressions are very important. So

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girls who are rushing would also budget, you

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know, $200 on makeup, $40 for a spray tan, $100 for

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a mani-pedi, $150 to get their hair done. Think.

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back to school shopping, but really truly

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magnified. And to tie this back

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specifically to Bama Rush, we

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have to remember this takes place in Alabama

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where it is very, very hot and Rush

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is at the tail end of summer. So you're

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gonna wanna put together a Rush bag with things like a water

8:17

bottle, a fan, maybe some extra makeup, a notebook,

8:19

pen, hair ties, sunglasses, whatever. And

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that'll probably come in at around $150. And

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then when you finally, hopefully actually get

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invited to join a sorority, new member

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fees are around $4,500, which

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means that the total comes out to be over $6,500.

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And I will tell you right here

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and right now, if joining a sorority, if

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rushing at the University of Chicago where I went to school

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costs $6,500, I would not have

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been able to do it. But I do think

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that number gives a lot of people

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sticker shock without them understanding

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a lot of the benefits

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that may come with that number.

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I think in particular, some really,

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really huge cost savings are

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that by being in a sorority and

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living in the house, not only does that

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cover your lodging, you

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don't have to pay for a dorm, you don't have to get an apartment,

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but you also don't have to pay for food.

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Many, many schools across the country,

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when you live in the sorority house,

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you're getting three square meals catered

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by a private chef, you

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got snacks available to you all day. And so

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I think some of these heftier costs

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at more traditional sorority

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establishments with houses,

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we should actually factor some of that cost

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at other schools would be paying for

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And I want to take a second to pivot and

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actually address, you know, some financial

11:12

and social commentary here because

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they get sticker shock from these big numbers. I think

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there's an assumption that Greek

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life only caters to people

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that come from existing affluent

11:23

or privileged backgrounds, which I

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don't think is the case. And

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later in this podcast, we will talk about ways to make

11:31

Greek life more affordable. But also I personally

11:34

know so many people and I know so many other women

11:36

who were in different sororities

11:37

from mine at different schools who had girlfriends

11:40

who came from different backgrounds, who were

11:42

on full-ride scholarships. And for them, being

11:45

in Greek life was a priority. So that's something that

11:47

they budgeted for. But I think

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having that sticker shock is not

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necessarily an accurate representation of

11:55

the value Greek life might provide

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to somebody. As for social commentary, I was...

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say social media or just media

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generally has painted a pretty unfair

12:05

picture of the type of woman

12:08

who decides to join a sorority.

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And I say that, you know, laughing because

12:13

when you think about all of the movies about

12:15

sorority girls or the, you know,

12:17

the dumb cheerleader, they're all very thin,

12:19

they're beautiful, they're conventionally attractive, they're

12:22

the girls who seem to have it all. And sometimes

12:24

in, you know, these movies or TV shows, they're

12:26

portrayed as mean. And I think

12:29

in part that sets

12:29

a pretty unhealthy expectation that

12:32

all sorority girls and all sororities look a certain

12:34

way because at their core, that's not

12:37

what they were even built to do. Sure, there's

12:39

a social piece of going to mixers and

12:41

formals and meeting members of fraternities, but

12:44

there's also so much more to being in a sorority

12:46

than just the very, very surface

12:48

level stuff that is portrayed. But again,

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I think that part of being in a sorority

12:53

is so publicized because it's visually

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stunning and people begin to think that that's

12:58

the entirety of the experience,

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which I personally don't think is true. But let

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me flip and talk to you a little bit more about my

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experience at my sorority at U Chicago.

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To put it bluntly, I decided to join a

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sorority when I got to the University of Chicago because

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I wanted an easy way to make friends. And

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I know a big critique of the Greek system is

13:17

that you're paying for your friends. And

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I would say, at least on my campus, and

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my belief is that this is true across the

13:23

country, is that even if you are in

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one specific sorority, you're going to have so

13:28

many friends that are not in that one sorority.

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I would say of my closest friends that

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I still keep in touch with from college, it's

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a 50-50 split of girls

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who were in my sorority with me and people who were just

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either in a different sorority or completely unaffiliated.

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In terms of costs, I would say registration

13:45

for Rush could not have been more than, I want

13:47

to say like 50 to 100 dollars. I wore clothes

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that I already owned, did my own makeup, did my

13:52

own hair, and our Rush process was

13:54

only two and a half days and honestly very

13:56

chill. It was not a super huge

13:59

time commitment. and it was held over

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a weekend so that you wouldn't even

14:03

have to put your studies on hold. And I'd estimate

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our dues were roughly, you know, $500 a quarter.

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Yes, UChicago is like one of the weird schools

14:11

in the country that's still on a quarter system and not a semester

14:13

system, but yeah, roughly around 1500

14:16

a year in terms of dues. And that's not lost

14:18

on me that that's expensive. That's a good

14:20

deal of money. But again, so many girls

14:22

in my chapter were full ride financial aid

14:24

students and this is something that they were

14:27

really passionate about and budgeting for. So on

14:29

that note, if you are interested in joining

14:31

Greek life, but are concerned that

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finances are already tight and you don't

14:35

wanna spend extra money each semester or

14:37

pick up a second, third, fourth job around campus,

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what can you do? Well, first off, most Greek

14:42

organizations are part of a larger national

14:44

organization. So it's not just, you

14:46

know, this little club at your school. Typically

14:49

there is a national organization and there's a

14:51

bunch at a bunch of different colleges and

14:53

nationals typically offers scholarships.

14:55

So sure, you're gonna have to do a little bit of

14:57

extra paperwork, a little bit of extra legwork, maybe even

14:59

write an essay. But there are certainly ways that

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you don't have to pay out of pocket for

15:04

your dues. What you can do is talk to some

15:06

of the leaders in your chapter at your

15:08

school and see what they know and who you should

15:11

talk to to contact for more info

15:13

on the scholarships. On top of that, I would

15:15

say many schools actually recognize Greek life

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as registered student organizations and

15:20

oftentimes alumni will come up with

15:22

specific grants that are specific to

15:24

Greek students in the organizations that they

15:27

were affiliated with, that they have a passion for. So

15:29

again, maybe

15:29

this isn't money that you can put towards

15:32

specifically Greek life, but you can get scholarships

15:34

for school that are only specific to

15:37

people in your sorority or your fraternity. So

15:39

if you're covering costs for schooling, that

15:42

allows you to have more budget to pay towards

15:44

your dues themselves. And, you know, as

15:46

a last option, I actually know a couple girls who

15:49

reached out to nationals and were helping with

15:51

certain types of work for nationals to have

15:53

certain of their fees and dues waived. So

15:56

maybe if nationals sends out a newsletter

15:58

or does email blasts.

15:59

They would help write that copy. And because they

16:02

were helping do some work for nationals,

16:04

um, they were able to get some of their fees waived.

16:07

And now that we've talked about ways

16:09

to make being in Greek life more

16:11

cost effective, the big million dollar question,

16:13

like, is that financial investment, is this

16:15

investment of your time actually worth

16:17

it? And I would say for me, a hundred percent. And

16:20

I will give you a couple of key reasons why first

16:22

and foremost, academic support. This

16:24

is so, so important, but it was

16:27

especially important for someone like me.

16:29

You Chicago

16:29

was really hard and I thought I was a really

16:32

good student, but I definitely struggled

16:34

from that high school to college transition.

16:37

And in our sorority chapter, I want to say

16:39

it was about 120 girls throughout my

16:42

time there, I was able to have

16:45

a network of built-in people who could

16:47

be my mentor. Typically in a sorority, you

16:49

get assigned a quote unquote big

16:51

sister and you are a little sister

16:53

and then when you, you know, get a

16:55

little older and you're in your junior, senior,

16:58

maybe even sophomore year of your college career, you

17:00

become a big sister to a little sister, but at

17:02

UChicago, not only did you get a big sister,

17:04

you were also assigned a mentor

17:06

and that's someone that you may not necessarily have

17:09

been as close with, but they

17:11

ask essentially on a questionnaire, like what major

17:13

are you planning on choosing? And then

17:15

you would get assigned a mentor who has

17:18

taken that major track, meaning you now

17:20

have someone to call if you cannot figure out how

17:22

to write that essay or you cannot figure out how to get your

17:24

problem set done because they've already taken that class

17:27

and they can help you or even better for

17:29

general curriculum classes, such as a core

17:31

bio or something like that. A lot of girls will

17:33

have likely taken those classes and there

17:36

are massive advantages such as

17:38

being able to study their old problem sets

17:40

so that you're able to be really prepared for a test.

17:43

Sure. You can develop this kind of community through a club

17:45

or your dorm or the specific house you're

17:48

assigned to, but I feel like there are very

17:50

few college seniors who are dying to

17:52

hang out with freshmen, but being in a sorority

17:54

meant that I didn't have to go and forge

17:57

that relationship from scratch. I naturally had

17:59

something to talk about.

17:59

with that person, we had a common bond. And

18:02

not that they owed me anything, but they were just

18:04

really willing to help me because

18:06

someone had done the same thing for them. So academically

18:09

speaking, Greek life was super helpful for me and

18:12

it allowed me to be more effective with my studying,

18:14

whether that be finding girls in my same classes

18:16

who were able to pass me notes if I got sick and couldn't

18:19

make it to class, or just being a student

18:22

who had that network of people who

18:24

were willing to study with them. My second point,

18:26

I would say that being an authority was worth it for me

18:29

due to the help that it gave me when transitioning

18:31

onto campus. Anything as silly as finding the

18:33

right lecture hall. There was one instance where

18:35

an older sorority sister ran up to me and grabbed

18:37

me and she was like, where are you trying to go? Cause it's

18:39

very clear that you're lost, which, you know, was

18:42

fair, it was true. And it was just nice to have

18:44

someone looking out for me. And to

18:46

give you a less silly example, being

18:48

an authority, I would say helped me make really

18:50

critical decisions because I was able to get advice

18:53

from girls who were older or had more experience being

18:55

students. Something like, hey, you should

18:57

take your chemistry lecture with professor X

18:59

instead of professor Y because they

19:02

are known to be more supportive. Their TAs are

19:04

better, their tests are easier. And that just

19:06

helped me make better decisions for

19:08

myself and my academic career,

19:10

as well as, hey, we're going to this fraternity

19:12

on Friday nights. Like you should come, this is a theme. You

19:15

can borrow something of mine if you don't have anything to

19:17

wear. That whole experience really put me at ease

19:19

cause I did not have to navigate those first few weeks

19:21

or a few months of college alone. There was always someone I could

19:23

go to and just ask as a friend, like, hey, I'm

19:25

confused about this. Can you explain it to me? That's

19:28

not to say I ended up liking every single

19:29

person in my sorority. And I can guarantee

19:32

you that there is no person who has ever

19:34

joined a sorority who's like, yeah, I love every single

19:36

person in my chapter. Like I highly

19:38

doubt that there are going to be such a perfect

19:40

mesh of personalities because there

19:42

are so many people. And there were definitely

19:44

times that I would think to myself and be like, how did

19:46

this person and I end up in the same place? Because we

19:49

are so different. We have nothing in common. And frankly,

19:51

you know, some people were not particularly nice,

19:53

but that's life. You're going to find the same thing in your dorm

19:56

hall, the same thing in a club. So I wouldn't

19:58

let the idea of having a few people. that

20:00

you don't get along with scare you away from perhaps

20:02

finding lifelong friendships. And last,

20:05

but probably most important for me, in

20:07

my story, I would say joining a sorority was so

20:10

incredibly important to help me build a network,

20:12

especially when it came to my career

20:14

and recruiting. So UChicago is known

20:16

for being a feeder school for Wall Street, and that means

20:19

oftentimes the big banks will actually send

20:21

people who were students at your school

20:23

back to campus to help recruit the next generation

20:26

of talent. And this ended up serving

20:28

me kind of in a one, two punch way.

20:30

First and foremost, my roommate at the time

20:33

was a year older than me, and she was in my sorority,

20:35

and she had gotten a summer job at a different

20:37

bank for the summer prior. So when I was

20:39

going through the recruiting interview process, she was

20:41

the one who I could sit down with at our kitchen table

20:43

and drill interview questions with.

20:46

She was a year older, she had gone through the process, she

20:48

knew what kind of questions they were going to ask, and

20:50

that was immensely helpful because

20:52

I had so many more reps for

20:55

an interview than someone who may not have had

20:57

that resource. I feel really grateful that

20:59

she took the time out of her busy week to sit

21:02

down with me and prep me for a lot of those interviews,

21:04

and without Greek life, there's a chance I never would

21:06

have met her. And the second half of this equation

21:09

was that we actually had older sorority

21:11

sisters who had ended up being hired.

21:13

They were four or five years my senior, and

21:15

they were working at the banks that I was

21:17

interviewing at. So after my interview,

21:20

after my super day, I would then ping them

21:22

and be like, hey, you know, I just had my super

21:24

day, my interviews, it went great, I'm so

21:26

excited for next steps. Let me know if there's anything

21:29

else I can do to solidify

21:31

my candidacy, solidify an intern spot

21:33

with these older former sorority sisters,

21:36

and then they would end up speaking to

21:38

recruiting heads and essentially vouching

21:40

for me, saying things like, oh, they're

21:43

a great student, I've had a conversation with

21:45

them, they passed the airport test. The

21:47

airport test is essentially, can you sit next to someone

21:50

for 14 hours and keep up a conversation

21:52

and essentially just be cool and enjoyable

21:55

to sit next to? Because when you are working on Wall

21:57

Street, one of the big things is that you're working pretty long

21:59

hours. and people essentially assume

22:02

if you're getting the interview, you're smart enough to get the job,

22:04

but will I want to actually sit

22:06

next to you for 14 hours? Because it is a very

22:09

long and grueling day, and if you don't enjoy

22:11

your desk mate, it makes it worse. So

22:13

this is all to say, the same women that were lending

22:16

me dresses for formals and helping to do

22:18

my hair ended up being the same girls that helped

22:20

to really elevate my career and get me a

22:22

job in one of the most competitive

22:25

recruiting environments available immediately

22:27

after college. So to tie that

22:29

all

22:29

together, I do feel really fortunate

22:32

to have gotten to experience being in a sorority.

22:35

I think the investment that I made in paying

22:37

those dues and spending time going

22:39

to meetings every week, even if I didn't want

22:42

to, even if my time could have been better spent

22:44

doing something else, I think that all ended up

22:46

paying off because I was able

22:48

to get a very lucrative job after

22:51

college due to the connections

22:53

I was able to make, the academic performance

22:56

I was able to achieve throughout school because

22:58

of the resources

22:59

and the access I was provided for having

23:02

been in my sorority. Some of the

23:04

women that I call my sisters are

23:06

the smartest, most accomplished people that

23:08

I have ever met. I'm talking soon to

23:10

be world-renowned plastic surgeons,

23:13

big time attorneys, people launching their own companies,

23:15

big time venture capital investors.

23:18

I'm talking consultants, engineers, scientists. I

23:20

mean, I know a girl who just got her PhD in physics.

23:22

And at the end of the day, I am very, very

23:24

proud that I ended up rushing Kappa Alpha Theta

23:27

at UChicago. Shout out to the Epsilon

23:29

Phi chapter. But again, I want you to take

23:31

this entire episode with a little bit of a grain of salt

23:33

because every sorority experience at every

23:36

single college is very different. If Greek

23:38

life is something that you are interested in, I think

23:40

it's certainly worth exploring. I would definitely

23:42

ask about it when you walk around campus,

23:45

when you meet with the orientation leaders, or even

23:47

just chatting with people in your dorm or hall, just

23:49

to get a sense of what Greek life looks like at

23:51

your school, what are the requirements. And

23:54

then you can actually do a pro-con

23:56

list or a cost benefit analysis and

23:58

decide whether or not

23:59

would spend the time that you would invest would

24:02

actually net you what you consider

24:04

to be a good investment. For me,

24:06

my sorority sisters are still some of my closest

24:08

friends today. They will be at my wedding. They will

24:11

be the women that my kids call auntie. And

24:13

for me, it was an experience worth having, but the

24:15

decision to go Greek or stay unaffiliated

24:17

is totally up to you. Thank you so much

24:19

for listening. And I will catch you guys next week. I'm

24:21

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24:24

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