Thank you very much Ray for a fascinating conversation, looking at where the act of walking arises from really, systemic thinking and governance in a fast changing world.   

RAY ISON - Professor of Systems Thinking at the Open University  http://www.open.ac.uk/people/rli2  Get Ray's Book :  https://www.routledge.com/The-Hidden-Power-of-Systems-Thinking-Governance-in-a-Climate-Emergency/Ison-Straw/p/book/9781138493995  

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