0:04

Well, come on in to off the edge with

0:06

Cam Jordan, I have the privilege to sit

0:08

with. I'm learning the hierarchy

0:11

of things, right. There's always levels to life

0:13

with the executive vice president

0:15

of Football Operations at the NFL. But I've

0:18

known him as Troy mister senior,

0:20

Troy Vincent, a man who's

0:22

played in the league for fifteen years.

0:25

I know him from the Philadelphia time,

0:27

been with a few different teams. A

0:30

man who's been an All Pro man who's

0:32

been a pro bowler, man who has you

0:34

know, his accolades speak for himself. And on the opposite

0:36

side, which now he's the enemy

0:38

of where he started because he started off an NFLPA

0:40

and then not an enemy.

0:42

For me, it was always a partnership. It

0:45

was always a partnership and just making sure that

0:47

we kept the game on the table. Treat

0:50

the players right. You can make money, but you got

0:52

to do right by the players. That was always

0:54

my position as an

0:57

elected official. You're familiar with

0:59

that. So my thirteen of my

1:01

fifteen years I served as an elected officer.

1:04

Yeah, to serve the player in the locker room,

1:06

making sure the players understood his rights, his

1:08

hours, wages, working conditions, and

1:11

then you know, I had the opportunity also

1:13

to I think I did four CBA extensions.

1:17

But anytime, we're going to have some things that we disagree

1:20

on. But the one thing we can't disagree on it's

1:23

the game and the players. Right, best coaches

1:25

in the world, best players in the world. We

1:27

can make money, but you got to do right

1:29

by the people.

1:30

I see you left the refs out, But okay, I appreciate

1:32

that. We're not going to talk about it because well,

1:35

you know, like they affect you know, while

1:37

you're in it. They affect the game, and sometimes

1:40

what you'd say, non

1:43

non bias ways seemingly

1:45

non biased ways.

1:46

I don't think they're intentionally doing

1:49

that to affect the game. I

1:52

think now with technology now,

1:55

with the expansion of a few rules, I

1:58

think some of those things that worry people, I

2:01

think we can fix some of

2:03

those things. We still want the game to be played

2:05

on the field and officiated on the field, and

2:08

then tweaking a few things that technology

2:11

allows us to lean into. But

2:13

I don't think any player I know I wouldn't.

2:16

I don't want another eye in the sky

2:19

determining a play inside

2:21

of my stadium.

2:22

I was like let's eyes, so we can actually play the correct,

2:24

correct, right correct, and

2:26

then you have a you have a good old zebra striper.

2:29

Just throw one of those flags. If we play corner

2:32

the way you played back in the day couldn't

2:34

be played now.

2:36

I get asked that question often, Absolutely

2:38

not as the answer, I

2:40

would have had to adjust. And

2:43

I just think you all today.

2:46

I just love watching you all play. Yeah,

2:48

your phenomenal athletes. The

2:51

adjustments that we I'm

2:54

gonna say, we

2:56

we ask the players to make and

2:58

watch them make it. Is it extraordinary.

3:01

I do believe there's some play

3:04

type that occurred years

3:06

ago that some of those players

3:09

probably couldn't adjust. But

3:11

the vast majority, the

3:14

few tweaks, but they gave me. They

3:16

always gave me warnings. Hey, hey twenty

3:18

you know twenty three, get your hands

3:20

off, Hey, ease Up's so

3:23

you had that progression, but

3:25

even yeah, just think about that, just

3:27

as a dB, you're back pedaling. You got

3:30

to come off of a cover two with the run coming into the

3:32

outside, and next thing you know, you got to

3:34

face the office of lineman. Used to be able to chop them.

3:36

That's gone now and now.

3:40

So it was interesting. I was

3:42

in a competition committee meeting. I have to full

3:45

transparency here. I've

3:47

been in one of those when that

3:50

discussion came up about

3:52

removing the

3:54

cutting in space and the dB

3:57

or the offensive lineman because they would cut

3:59

two out in space. I

4:01

just remember, man, I

4:04

learned how to really hurt somebody.

4:07

Yeah, you know, I was

4:09

taught how to go getting

4:12

and make sure that he didn't get up. But

4:14

that's what I was taught. And now

4:17

and now then I when I see it, I know

4:19

better. And I was that

4:21

was celebrated on Mondays

4:23

and Tuesdays. All right, you know he gonna

4:26

pull you know he's gonna do this brown

4:29

baby. Yes, and you get that. You get you

4:31

get that inside need the right way with

4:33

the inside part of your helmet. You're

4:36

gonna tear everything up.

4:37

YEA. Fear

4:39

me, that's the part of but that's part

4:41

of the defense.

4:42

Though I understand imposing

4:44

your will fear me to

4:46

intentionally, but to intentionally harm.

4:50

He wants the same thing you want. I want to take home that

4:52

paragraph five just

4:54

like you do. You're gonna have to earn a difference, I

4:57

know, but I just think the unnecessary

4:59

risk that's associated with it. It was

5:01

the part.

5:02

That that's that's what the game I grew up to love.

5:04

Though, when you saw most

5:06

what when you when you saw somebody come down

5:09

like Ray Ray what Ray Lewis bit when

5:11

he was first in the lead coming down smacking people. Dante

5:13

Hitner. When I first got to lead, I said, Oh,

5:16

they're different, Dante Whitner, He's

5:19

Hittner.

5:19

So here we go. So what did you think about the hip drop?

5:22

I'm glad you brought it up because I was gonna let

5:24

you live the hip drop if

5:26

it happens once a game, right,

5:28

I'm not understanding the effects of the game. Now

5:30

do I get it from

5:33

from a fans view of Oh, it's

5:35

a it's what you said, a malicious intent

5:37

tackle, is it? No, it's a smaller person normally

5:39

trying to tackle.

5:40

A bigger It's not in the research shows that, the

5:42

video shows it's not a smaller person on the big

5:44

it's actually a bigger person on a smaller person.

5:47

I'm happy you referenced those guys,

5:50

Dante Whitner. Yeah, play with Dante Navar

5:52

Boweman. So I'm just gonna start with the

5:55

defenders because I had to. I was just sharing this

5:57

conversation with Takio Spikes. Yeah,

6:00

and him and London Fletcher were two

6:02

of my teammates, but were just like

6:04

you, man, what are you? What are

6:06

you thinking about? TA like you

6:09

done lost your mind? This help

6:11

us? Then I started thinking

6:13

about I said, in Miami

6:16

played with Brian Cox, Lewis Oliver, in

6:19

Philly, Brian

6:21

Dawkins, Jeremiah Trotter, Bobby

6:23

Taylor, Hugh Douglas, some great

6:25

tacklers. I go to Buffalo

6:28

to Keyo Spikes, London Fletcher,

6:31

Lawyer Molloy, Nate Clemens,

6:33

I forget Fletch started over it, go

6:36

to Washington, Sean Taylor

6:38

and others. I've never seen

6:41

any of those great tacklers tackle

6:44

someone this way, the unwaiting

6:46

of their body on the back of the leg

6:48

trapping.

6:49

Yeah.

6:50

So I had to put it in context. Tea.

6:53

I've seen you made a thousand tackles

6:55

in the season. I've never seen you in

6:57

London ever tackle anybody this way.

7:00

And once I said that, you go, you go. DK.

7:03

I've never seen you tackling. I've seen

7:06

you do some crazy things, crazy

7:08

things, but I've never seen you do that.

7:12

But the A twenty to twenty five

7:14

X injury rate, I just

7:16

think as a gatekeeper of the game, I

7:19

can't walk out of any room and

7:21

go, wait a minute, we're not going to do nothing about this

7:23

is a twenty to twenty five x injury

7:26

rate on that tackle. Yeah,

7:28

come on, coaches. So

7:31

I don't know if the officials then tent was

7:33

not to throw more flags, but today

7:36

I didn't have anything to even address it.

7:38

And we've been watching it for three years,

7:41

literally studying it, watching it showing up

7:43

at the college level now, the high school

7:45

level now, and it's when

7:48

the player is down, he down for

7:50

weeks, if not the entire seaton.

7:52

So that was that was the entire season.

7:55

But I mean, that's that's sort of you know again,

7:57

that's just a different era of football. Grow

8:00

up. You know, girl watching in the eighties.

8:02

So you know, Pops played in the eighties, early

8:04

nineties. I was born what you got out of college.

8:06

In eighty ninety two.

8:09

I was born in eighty nine.

8:10

I'm not I'm not. I watched Hip

8:12

Hops, no doubt. I

8:14

didn't play with him. I watched it. So,

8:16

I mean, you.

8:17

Know what you got into the league ninety

8:20

right, Pops are still in there.

8:21

There was there was a there was a year or two in Minnesota.

8:24

Yeah, he got out ninety four. Think

8:26

about like, I just think about that different

8:28

era of football, speaking up with watching

8:30

the John Randles, the Chris Domans. Anyways, getting

8:33

off getting off something, it's fine,

8:35

but the progression of the game, you know

8:37

where we've gone to. Now we

8:39

are the you know, we've always in my mind, we've always

8:42

been in the premiere sport, but we're the most watched

8:44

sport if you just look at our ratings whatever

8:46

that is.

8:47

Heara domestically.

8:48

Yeah, absolutely, we're not going to bring international

8:50

into it because then we got work there. We

8:53

we're breaking in and later

8:55

about this. I've got I've got ideas.

8:58

See, that's what I need is your ideas.

8:59

Yeah, I mean that's just in my mind.

9:01

There could be like an American got

9:04

talent meets NFL clearly

9:06

for overseas.

9:08

I like that. I'm just saying, so, when

9:10

you're sitting on something like that, why

9:13

would you wait? Why wouldn't you just pop

9:15

me, pop me a text or an email to say

9:17

I.

9:18

Don't know how to I don't know, I don't know how to email like an adult,

9:21

and I don't need anybody, but you can text. Absolutely,

9:24

absolutely I'm gonna get on that the

9:26

fact, because it just sort of popped up last

9:28

week. I was like, why don't. I went to Liberia

9:30

with the Alva Kamara, a great teammates,

9:33

and I always told him if he ever went back to the Motherland, I'm going

9:35

too. So I got a double dip. I had Ghana

9:37

with the NFL commercial and then I hit Liberria

9:40

with with my dog ak And I said, this

9:42

is untapped because these mugs look NFL

9:44

rad is.

9:45

Because of that experience and because of the

9:48

exposure. If you don't

9:50

come back and share.

9:51

How would you know?

9:52

How would I know?

9:53

Speaking of exposure, a lot of these kids walking

9:55

into the walk to you know, to the Draft

9:57

hotel, I saw a couple

10:00

kids that I've heard about. The

10:02

kids, they're they're men, I guess, and especially

10:04

with the COVID years, some of these kids is like twenty

10:06

five men as

10:09

A's wild.

10:12

But you know walked in, you know, saw you what

10:14

I think is a potential number one overall pick saw

10:17

probably in my mind four or five, you

10:19

know, saw a defensive end Latu.

10:21

I'm never going to say that last name out of UCLA. And

10:24

I was just like, I was just thinking knowing

10:27

the career that you had on the

10:29

field and off the field, what would be the advice that

10:31

you would give them after they get drafted.

10:33

So I started this conversation

10:36

with those that will be virtual that

10:39

the destination is not being drafted. Absolutely,

10:43

the destination is making

10:45

a roster and sustaining

10:47

yourself because there's a there's

10:49

a mindset today as

10:52

I arrived, but I

10:54

got here, I made it, and

10:57

there's a loss of the fight. There's

11:00

a loss of the hungeredness that that.

11:02

I feel like and takes a part of that too, no question.

11:05

But that is that's our new lands that's the

11:07

new landscape, and I and I share

11:09

with them. You will literally you're

11:11

starting over, and

11:14

your ability to retain

11:17

information, your your

11:19

ability to show up every single

11:21

day, and you will be measured

11:24

every single day. And because of

11:26

the Rookie Wade scale, we didn't have a Rookie way

11:28

scale when we came in. Who didn't

11:31

you didn't. I didn't have a rookie waist, You

11:33

didn't have a rookie wag.

11:34

Was the first year after that was so the

11:36

first hated on

11:38

the I.

11:39

Was giving you more. I was giving you a few more that

11:41

I don't want it. No, but the rookie Wade scale.

11:44

They'll move on you now because

11:46

you're not They're not paying you a ton of money, so they'll

11:48

move on you don't.

11:50

We just saw what happened in Chicago, which

11:53

was crazy with the top three overall.

11:54

Pick I am.

11:55

I do have Conner too, which is even crazy.

11:59

The league is not afraid to get what they want.

12:01

Know they will move on you quickly. It's a

12:03

business. We saw it with San Francisco with the Trey

12:05

Lance and if things aren't working

12:07

out, they'll move on. You could be the first, second

12:10

third pick. I do have challenges,

12:13

not challenge, but concerns because

12:16

today's current athlete, everything

12:19

is so transactional. It's

12:22

not a pureness of a relationship. Where

12:24

do you find the loyalty exactly?

12:26

But that's always been the case from the team side as well.

12:28

But I do believe in the

12:30

past Cam, I think

12:32

there was a way to evaluate that

12:34

Cam love the game.

12:37

Absolutely. You know there's a it was it was dry, it

12:39

was cut and dry.

12:40

Yeah, does he love the game?

12:42

Before social media you can read

12:44

out does he love the game or does he love the lifestyle?

12:46

Correct?

12:47

But now at this point it's so blended.

12:50

If you're not a part of the game, how

12:52

can you be part of lifestyle? And if you're not a part of the lifestyle,

12:54

you can still be a part of the game. And that's the intersectionality

12:57

of it all. You can blend both of those so

12:59

quick you I'm not sure if

13:01

he's working out because he wants to, because he keeps

13:03

posting it and I love that he's on the grind,

13:05

but also is he just doing it for the likes or

13:08

is he doing it for himself? There's twenty times

13:10

I was like, bro, I was like, I had to kill a workout where somebody

13:12

would have captured this crazy shit that I just did.

13:14

Also, I don't.

13:16

Need the people in my business like that, but

13:18

I do have concerns.

13:20

It is a different era of

13:24

what makes him tick. Yeah, and

13:27

now this is happening when you're fourteen

13:30

fifteen and with

13:32

your parents. No question, sit down

13:34

with your parents. If I'm

13:36

not talking about signing bonus, they're

13:38

not having a conversation with me. I'm gonna

13:40

repeat that at fourteen

13:43

and fifteen to walk into

13:45

our household. If I don't

13:47

say, we can frame up to signing bonus

13:49

later missus Jordan and mister Jordan.

13:52

We can talk about some other things. We will get to the

13:54

signing bonus, because if I don't reference

13:57

that, they're gonna

13:59

ask already out to help.

14:00

They already turned that off. You're not talking

14:02

about that money.

14:03

So think about the love that you got to have to compete

14:06

here, as you well know, week in and week

14:08

out a loss,

14:11

how you're going to show back up, get yourself together,

14:14

pick up the pieces, go evaluate

14:16

the tape, stay off social media

14:18

because someone's disliking you or

14:20

they got thumbs down. And where

14:23

does all of this go? I go to the Pro Bowl. I

14:25

see the young men, which I completely appreciate.

14:28

They're showing up with the

14:30

trucks and cars of production

14:33

crews, like getting

14:35

out the car. So those are like the different

14:38

where before you show up you

14:40

put some work in. Now they're

14:42

not showing up without their team

14:45

capturing content. Is

14:47

this about the game or is this

14:49

about you? And where do we all? So?

14:53

I'm gonna say it wasn't about the game until the Pro

14:55

Bowl. Pro Bowl is the very much time to be yourself

14:57

and be able.

14:57

I'm just saying, but think about it with your first Pro Bowl.

15:00

Oh I was there first Pro Bowl Hawaii.

15:01

But you can't coming with you didn't have no cars.

15:04

It was you.

15:04

It was a big fan. Everybody

15:06

invited. First Pro Bow, everybody come in.

15:08

I'm saying, but you didn't have a whole production crew

15:10

behind you.

15:12

We didn't have we didn't have filters like we had filters now, Like

15:14

Snapchat was really was really hinge at

15:16

the time, and you know, like Instagram

15:18

was the new Facebook, Twitter, Twitter

15:21

was something that you got on, but it wasn't like that. And

15:23

now before you go you used

15:25

to go to like Yahoo for your information for your

15:27

finance, or Gmail, you know, Google or whatever it

15:29

is. Now you're going straight to Twitter. In the morning, you're

15:31

like, all right, what's trending, what's what's what's the what's

15:33

the hot icon? Like I'm good morning America.

15:36

The TV show used to be like, all right, my mom watches

15:39

that, so we're gonna catch some information. You know, Grandpa

15:41

always got the news on. Now everything's

15:44

made ready available.

15:46

The resiliency, the grit,

15:49

I feel like that part right

15:52

has.

15:53

I wouldn't say diminished, just

15:55

cover differently.

15:56

It's cam cover different

15:58

I came in the era with three of days

16:01

every day in facts today,

16:03

you can't have two padded practices in a row.

16:05

I appreciate that. For longevity speak

16:08

purposes, I appreciate that.

16:09

And honestly, let's just be real, Okay, So

16:12

is that the reason why you have poor tackling on game

16:14

day?

16:14

I don't know, but I just feel like in terms of in terms

16:17

of in terms of star players, they

16:19

were never seeing three days anyways. And you

16:21

could say they did.

16:22

That's not Cam. I'm not sure that I know

16:24

for sure Caam and Philly Washington.

16:27

I would just say we did not win

16:29

the big one.

16:30

Yeah, I don't know if Chris Carter ever saw three day

16:32

and I didn't play with Chris.

16:34

No, I'm saying when I was going, okay, I'm just but

16:36

there was some two A days there, right, definitely

16:39

two A days on a very light prep.

16:42

Eleven padded practices in a single

16:44

season.

16:44

I appreciate that this last,

16:46

like this last like with seven or eight years,

16:49

that that was part of that. I said, look at this, it's like

16:51

look at us.

16:51

I appreciate them absolute,

16:54

but there's some unintended consequences

16:56

that come with it, for sure. So people say,

16:59

hey, some sloppiness. Yeah, it takes a

17:01

little bit of time week four, week five

17:03

for people to hit their rhythm.

17:05

People are good tacklers because they tackle

17:08

all the time. So people are good

17:10

catchers because, as you know, because they catch

17:12

all the time. Now it's

17:14

just I thought it was.

17:15

Good catchers because they're protected over the middle at

17:17

every chance. Now they're seen as defensives receivers

17:19

at every time they touch the ball. But that's

17:23

my gripes.

17:25

I'm like, I can't wait to come work work

17:27

with me. I can't.

17:30

I just became an NFL p rep, you know.

17:32

So it's awesome this last year

17:34

or so.

17:35

And uh, it's very

17:37

interesting, interesting in general just to see

17:40

hierarchies and or positionings of

17:43

what I see now, Like you

17:45

know, without rendering anybody

17:48

ineffective, I see both sides like things

17:50

clear, clear up.

17:51

Yes, it's about the game.

17:54

That's all I wanted to be.

17:55

So you don't like the body weight the body weight.

17:57

Foul, Come on, I don't like half the fouls

18:00

out on a quarterback. But we've already been

18:02

moving on. But you know, like

18:04

there's hey, that that's you know, I

18:06

get it. Protect your franchise, make it, make make

18:08

the make the picture perfect kid Still

18:10

be picture perfect just because

18:12

he took a slow read and let

18:15

his receiver.

18:19

If you don't have a quarterback, this

18:22

season is done.

18:24

Sir Covid

18:27

took out two quarterbacks and we had to play with

18:29

with a rookie quarterback against one

18:31

Miami.

18:32

And every player though, week

18:35

in and week out, if you have a chance

18:37

to win or not based off of who's

18:40

under the center, absolutely

18:43

you.

18:43

Can still win. In spite of the Raiders did it this year.

18:46

Next question, what's

19:05

the one thing about the game that still gives you joy?

19:08

Beyond you, of course

19:10

being in this position looking at it. How do the fans enjoy

19:12

it? What do you still enjoy about the game.

19:13

I enjoy watching just a beauty

19:16

and the athleticism, because

19:18

sometimes I still have a I

19:22

have a hard time remembering that

19:25

I used to do that like

19:27

fifteen years baby. When

19:31

I watch what you all do, I'm

19:33

amazed. I'm

19:36

looking at Coach Fuel who I

19:38

work with, and Coach Still, I was like, did

19:40

you see that catch or

19:42

did you see that past Russia? Whoa

19:46

that part? There's an excitement that I see

19:49

that I just enjoy and

19:51

I'm constantly reminded of

19:54

just how special you guys are, but

19:56

I can't picture myself unless I

19:58

see a video or somebody you

20:01

know, showed me something. I just

20:03

some of those things. I'm just like, man,

20:06

I used to do that, but I don't

20:08

remember that part. But when I watch

20:10

you all, it's just a thing of beauty.

20:13

That's the part that I enjoy the

20:15

most, the

20:18

intensity level, some

20:20

of the rivalries. But then watching

20:22

y'all do some special stuff. I can look at the

20:24

coach and go, WHOA did you see

20:26

that run that back? Put

20:29

that in way to play? You know.

20:30

So on

20:33

the opposite spectrum, what sort

20:35

of like wakes you up in the middle of the night, Like, you know,

20:37

I didn't see my pops who've only

20:39

played thirteen years compared to your fifteen or

20:42

my hopefully head end of the year fourteen knock

20:44

on withoo there, you

20:46

know, wake up and it looks like he's catching a ball in the middle

20:48

of the night, you know, like he'll be sleep and hands

20:51

come out. I'm like, bro, it's not your heyday anymore. Befe,

20:54

Like what keeps you over the night? It could be good or bad. It was

20:56

like, just what

20:59

is there specific play? Like you know,

21:01

my mine's going to be forever haunted that a

21:03

referee didn't get the right call when when

21:05

we played the Rams in the NFC Championship

21:07

game.

21:08

And you know what I think about,

21:11

Well, there will will a death

21:15

occur, and how

21:17

would we actually respond to

21:20

that as a people?

21:23

And hopefully that never happens.

21:25

But we're in a we're in a sport

21:27

that has some of those levels

21:30

of contact we

21:33

can use the term violence. How

21:36

would we actually respond if

21:39

that occurred. The

21:42

closest we had was a Tomorrow hamblin. Yeah,

21:45

absolutely, and you see how we responded,

21:47

some of us. Some people were paralyzed, some

21:50

people, So it was that

21:52

is what that is? What is just like, Lord,

21:56

what do we do? And are we actually

21:58

truly prepared to have

22:00

those discussions? You know, you can

22:02

put some some things and plans in place,

22:05

but what if this occurs? And then I also think about

22:07

not just real time, but

22:10

you know what if there's a tragedy that happens

22:12

in a team, right is

22:15

is wiped out? You

22:18

know, what are the what are those calls? So those are

22:20

the kind of things not to be But.

22:21

Yeah, you an adult, I'm like a

22:23

kid. I've never thought about.

22:25

They can happen. I mean, think about you know, we

22:27

we're on planes and stuff every day we

22:29

see stuff happening. What if

22:32

something happens to a club. I

22:34

know we have some policies

22:36

and place too, like.

22:38

Real life, like you're saying, like a martial situation,

22:40

no question back in the day, Well.

22:44

How are you going to how are we having that truth?

22:45

Now?

22:46

The conversation is real with the with the

22:48

family, So you

22:51

know, how do we respond to that publicly?

22:54

Is there an answer for that? You got that? You got that if you started

22:56

formulating an answer for that.

22:58

I don't have an answer because

23:00

there's you've got process. But but

23:02

I have to think about it absolutely because

23:04

there's a human element that

23:07

we saw that played itself out

23:09

two years ago.

23:10

It was over, but like we can't play with one

23:13

of the brotherhood goes down for real, for real, Like again,

23:15

there's injuries that happen, and honestly, defensive

23:17

side off the side. You know, going

23:20

into a game, you say a quick prayer, Lord,

23:22

protect both sides of the field. Don't let anybody

23:24

get injured for real real.

23:26

So but those things, when I say, because everything

23:28

else, I feel confident. Yeah, good

23:31

about we got good practices

23:33

redunding, We got good policies, you

23:35

got best practices

23:37

across across the organization.

23:40

But then the thing that happened that there's no one's

23:42

expecting to happen, and now you have

23:44

to have a real it's a it's a true conversation,

23:47

right, and it's not in the manual. It's not something

23:50

that you studied. You know, how

23:52

do we handle how do we handle those things?

23:54

So, I mean, you know, as

23:56

trong as the NFL is, I'm sure there's there's a certain

23:58

sort of guidelines to get back because I mean, at

24:01

one point.

24:01

I'm not saying we don't get back, yeah.

24:03

But I mean to be able to overcome. I mean, we've

24:05

we faced COVID where guys were you

24:07

know, we at one point we flew in two guys

24:09

the night before the game just to just to catch it.

24:12

We played Denver with the with the kid against

24:14

a kid who's playing quarterback who's bagging

24:16

groceries two weeks before, you know, like

24:19

the NFL.

24:20

But machine, no, no, but listen, Cam, Yeah,

24:23

you're.

24:23

Right, we forgo the human element aspect that person

24:26

is still alive, correct,

24:28

So you can bring it.

24:29

I'm talking about can't come back, can't

24:31

come back.

24:33

Yeah.

24:35

So those are the kind of things I know. People like, why why

24:37

would it be think? Because those are things I think about.

24:39

Right, we're traveling all over the world, you

24:42

know, there's a lot that can happen. Germany

24:45

game, Now, what what can happen? What

24:47

what happens if this happens? The

24:49

what ifs?

24:50

Yeah, so what if this New Orleans

24:52

Saints win

24:54

the Super Bowl? And Super Bowl fifty nine and New Orleans?

24:57

That's all I'm dreaming about these.

25:00

But it happened. We saw Tampa do it right?

25:03

Could New Orleans? Could New

25:05

Orleans make that happen right?

25:07

Super Bowl fifty nine in New Orleans.

25:09

I'm looking forward to that Super Bowl.

25:11

Fifty nine in New Orleans. Are we getting

25:13

excited about it just yet? Like? When when do you get excited

25:15

about it? I got excited about it knowing it was coming because it got

25:17

pushed off for like two years in our way, three

25:19

years, New Stadius popped up, we kept get we got

25:21

we got rolled back, and then it.

25:22

So I started thinking about it

25:25

the night that Kansas

25:27

City closed out fifty eight

25:29

because immediately go to next cycle,

25:32

next cycle, literally you literally

25:34

go all right, we're out of Vegas. Here's

25:37

where we are next year, and then

25:39

you just begin, you know, thinking

25:41

about what are we going to do differently?

25:44

I'm thinking operations, officiating, What

25:47

are we going to do differently from that stadium

25:49

to now going down to New Orleans?

25:51

Right, well, I'll be there, you know what I'm

25:53

saying. I hope so hey, I'm gonna

25:56

be there. Yeah, I'm always I'm always

25:58

there every Super Bowl week, you know, and I would

26:00

love to be on the field and playing.

26:02

That could be well, that'll be three

26:05

actually home teams in the last five.

26:07

Years in the Super Bowl in the Super Bowl?

26:09

Could that? Would that be? Right?

26:10

Tampa? I don't

26:12

know, Lil Wayne's a green Bay charge of green Bay

26:15

fan. But that's fine. We'll get We'll

26:17

get robbed for nine division

26:20

our division right now before the draft.

26:22

Absolutely after the draft, most likely.

26:24

Like Tampa owns that division for whatever reason.

26:27

We I mean, we had the same record, and the

26:29

previous years that they won, they won by you know,

26:31

they had a one game split on us

26:33

own that division or like barely coming out of there. You're

26:35

right, but you can't until you knock

26:38

the fact off.

26:39

They

26:44

either want it or you don't know facts.

26:46

You only good is you only good is the last game.

26:48

I didn't think that was coming.

26:49

From your last conference winch.

26:53

I mean, you're right, Tom bowls doing something

26:55

down there, but go ahead.

26:56

They made it work with Baker Mayfield and then extended

26:58

them, so you know they got something

27:00

going on that I thought they might

27:03

do something with Devin White. Devin White comes back, I

27:05

said, okay, it's not that, not that they were going to go

27:07

in the billion owed.

27:08

Fan of Cam I am a fan of and

27:10

I am a fan of coach Allen.

27:13

I love my guy DAA good

27:15

people, great people. Good you

27:17

know, I've got nothing but the highest respect for especially

27:21

dealing with we had to deal with as first.

27:23

Head coach to coming up. Yeah, good people

27:25

that.

27:26

If that don't show your hard, I don't know what does people.

27:36

So just you know, I know we've talked different

27:38

Pro Bowls and over the years, like I've got

27:40

four kids, You've got you beat me out. You got

27:42

five?

27:43

Right? I have five children and nine grands I just

27:45

had my ninth grand grandson,

27:47

my ninth grandchild, my

27:49

fourth grand boy.

27:51

See, I got young kids. What does it feel

27:53

like watching your kids play

27:56

like? You know, because I'm watching my man's play t ball

27:59

like please don't love it. He's like.

28:01

I watched with a different eye because

28:03

my wife's sitting next to me and

28:05

she's really all into it. I'm

28:08

looking at did he take

28:10

care of the responsibility. I'm just looking

28:12

at it from a different game. But then I have

28:14

to be careful about what I say to him

28:17

afterwards because my

28:20

wife is listening. But it's fun.

28:24

At the same time, I

28:26

think about what I would have done

28:29

differently or differently, like done differently,

28:33

and I'm not trying to be him, but

28:36

I had because I had the opportunity to watch our

28:38

oldest boy, true Troy Junior play

28:40

at n C State and then tront

28:42

at Ohio State, and

28:45

then but watching the game, like I'm

28:47

watching warm up, I'm like, he don't

28:49

he got he don't have to write intensity level to day,

28:52

you know, like you can't just turn

28:54

it on, you know, Like I'm looking at he's

28:56

slipping, like he got to put

28:58

his foot in the ground, put his show over his toe, Like

29:02

do you.

29:02

Ever want to come off the stage, off the stands and

29:04

like go really talk.

29:05

I want to go really talk to him. And then you know,

29:07

my wife is looking at me like, no,

29:09

we be a parent today. Let him be, Let

29:12

let him be. So that

29:14

part has been fun. And now he's with the UFL

29:16

team with Wade Phillips

29:18

down with the United Stamps, no

29:21

brompt the Bromos, Bramos down

29:23

to San Antonio and.

29:24

Once they merged. Now now I've got to re learn the team names

29:26

I had him down.

29:28

So that part has been fun and

29:30

I'm really looking forward to I'm

29:32

hoping. I'm pushing my daughter to

29:35

get her girls playing. Now that flag done,

29:38

jumped off.

29:38

Flag, that's what the NFL is turned into.

29:41

But no, can

29:43

you brought it up.

29:44

I had my daughter played flag and

29:46

she was like, she went back to soccer, and I understood

29:49

it. My oldest son plays play flag.

29:51

That man asked me.

29:52

If I'm not a navocate for the game of football,

29:54

I love it, So why would you allow your daughter

29:56

to go play another to go play soccer?

29:58

Because I believe it.

29:59

I believe it freedom of choice, you

30:01

know, like, at this point, tell me what you love,

30:03

but you have to try something now.

30:05

So you're one of those men that don't want women to have good

30:07

opportunities to play the sport, the great sport of football.

30:09

Are you trying?

30:10

Are you on record? Saying that you're I'm

30:12

here.

30:12

I'm here to support and whatever

30:14

that they want to do. And my baby girl played

30:17

played a full season and I didn't see

30:19

the passion that I wanted to see. And I said, hey, do you want

30:21

to play another She said, no, Dad, I want to play soccer. And

30:23

we took out to soccer. She scored three goals. She said, this is

30:25

what I meant to do and I said, yes, ma'am,

30:28

I'm.

30:28

Looking forward to it. I'm just it's something

30:30

that during the pandemic, she

30:33

missed one. See, that's

30:35

why she needs to just play. How

30:38

does she miss the goal?

30:39

The big old goal at five five

30:41

years old was really muddlehudleball.

30:43

Like she's going to return back to football.

30:45

She's only five, man, I tried, you're

30:48

excited about I'm excited about that

30:50

opportunity to watch potentially

30:52

my kids or my brand kids hit the Olympics.

30:56

I'm really really excited about

30:58

that.

31:00

Last question I have for you now that

31:02

we've talked about flag is how how

31:04

is it knowing that you can catch scholarships

31:07

from flag football from But that's the seven

31:10

on seven like direct relation. Never put

31:12

pads onto But.

31:13

That's the beauty. That's the beauty of the

31:15

sport.

31:16

Yeah.

31:17

So so when you think about football,

31:19

the sport of football, and this is when you

31:21

put it in context, we were probably one

31:23

of the only sports that didn't

31:26

have other other

31:28

ways of with basketball,

31:30

you got five on five, you got three on

31:32

three. You know, you can go on your

31:35

driveway. When the pandemic hit, we

31:37

were forced to study who's

31:40

playing and why they're playing, and there was

31:42

sports that grew inside

31:44

the pandemic that time period when the world

31:47

was on lockdown, and it was like,

31:49

we need to expand what we do, we

31:51

need to welcome other

31:54

forms of the game of football.

31:56

Flag was one why not

31:59

why not young eighties? Why

32:01

should we not support

32:04

young ladies like us playing

32:06

seven on seven, playing

32:08

varsity football at the varsity level,

32:10

earning a scholarship, somebody paying

32:12

for their education and

32:15

they get a chance to play ball and

32:17

just watching it explode, cam

32:20

Man, it's competitive, absolutely, watching

32:22

these young ladies get out. I saw

32:24

we was at the annual meeting and Steve

32:26

Young came back and talked about him coaching

32:29

his daughters, d

32:31

Hot talking about seeing how

32:34

his Flag leads have exploded

32:36

and brought the community together. Hey,

32:39

LA twenty eight flag

32:41

football in the Olympics, laxt year

32:44

in Paris, the World Games like

32:47

this we're going on here.

32:50

In a few weeks, we'll have our twelfth state sanctioned

32:53

girl's varsity flag really

32:55

with Washington. I mean that's a that's

32:59

awesome.

33:00

Love that for my kids. I've got three girls.

33:02

I mean, think about it. That's awesome. Colorado

33:04

went this week, Washington in the coming

33:07

weeks give us twelve

33:09

states and it just keeps

33:11

rolling. This August, n

33:13

C two A will be applying for flag

33:15

football being an emerging sport at the n C two.

33:17

A level, I mean, why

33:19

not? Why not in college? You

33:21

know, Cal has a great field hockey program,

33:24

But I'd rather watch flag football.

33:26

I'd rather watch rugby. But I'm also.

33:29

What do sound like Hardy Nickerson my

33:33

mentor.

33:34

Cobts Hardy Nixon

33:36

Junr. Was in the lead for a little wile.

33:37

You know, I learned the Rogues.

33:40

Yeah, as a PA rep

33:43

and as a player, Hardy

33:45

Nickerson and Reggie White.

33:48

Okay, great, okay, greatness

33:51

personified. I appreciate you tapping in

33:53

anyways, Big Doug. If anything,

33:55

just major blessings for everything that you've

33:57

been over the years to the game, and

34:00

you've always been open with me. So I've got nothing

34:02

but appreciation for you, Cam.

34:03

Thank you for what you do. You're

34:05

an inspiration to many of

34:08

the young men, and as a

34:10

veteran of legend, I love

34:12

to see young men take advantage

34:14

of the resources You've

34:16

been intentional about life

34:19

after the game, of developing

34:21

those skills, the right relationships. I

34:23

just think you're a real model that

34:26

guys in any locker room could

34:28

see. Because it will end, and it's typically

34:31

going to end on somebody else's terms,

34:34

but your intentionality.

34:36

It all, it all has to come to an end.

34:37

But you've been you've been a just

34:40

a star man, a rock star of

34:42

both high performance and

34:45

then the things that you're doing off the field with you and the

34:47

wife and the kids.

34:49

Oh yeah, appreciate it.

34:51

Appreciate it, true inspiration.

34:52

Thank you. You don't want to have been married for thirty thirty

34:55

years. I saw the wedding anniversary

34:58

said thirty. I'm

35:00

gonna have to ask for seekers off the field, but til then, I appreciate

35:02

you.

35:02

Thank you, sir.