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Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, April twenty

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fourth, twenty twenty four. Welcome to the

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NFL Fantasy Football Podcast for we wouldn't

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mind having Princess at quarterback. It's being your Man, MG.

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Marcus Grant joined by Michael f. Florio and

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Lakwan Jones Fellas. We are one sleep

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away from the NFL Draft. I

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don't know about you, but my body is ready. I'm ready

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for this draft season.

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So ready, man, so so ready.

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We will talk some draft. We've been talking about

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positions. We've done quarterbacks, We've done running backs.

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He done tight ends. Figure me to say

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this one for last in part because it is the

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deepest that maybe most talked about position fantasy

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wise in this draft, but also because

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it gave us a chance to get on a

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very very special guest. You

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know him from the Yahoo Fantasy Football

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podcast. You know him as the creator and

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owner of Reception Perception.

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If you have been listening to this show long enough,

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you know him from way back in the day on

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this show when we had

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a whole cast of characters that we all used

1:06

to hang out together.

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It is our friend, the one and elite,

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Matt Harmon.

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Harmon.

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It is I say, it's good to see, Like, I talk

1:14

to you all the time digitally, but it's nice to see

1:17

your shining face here on my computer

1:19

screen.

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Yes, we do talk to each other all the time digitally.

1:23

We just saw each other in person yesterday because

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you were on my show. So thank you again

1:27

for that, Marcus Grant. But Florio LaQuan,

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it's good to see you.

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Guys.

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Listen, I'm like so ready to

1:34

just get to the draft at this point,

1:37

you know, to know where these receivers are gonna

1:39

play and so then we can really

1:41

kind of do our projections and understand roles

1:43

and fits with quarterbacks and all that. But hey,

1:45

here on draft, miss Eve, there's

1:47

really no better crew I'd rather talk about this position

1:49

with. So I mean, even though Marcus, you saw you said

1:52

to me yesterday, I have this on the record. We were

1:54

previewing off ball linebackers on this pod.

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I guess I can pivot last minute and try to

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find some receiver info here.

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I was hoping that maybe off

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ball one.

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No, no, I was I was saying.

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I mean, I told him that we were going to have him on our show to

2:08

talk about off ball linebackers, that that we're

2:10

going to do.

2:11

But so I feel like, throw all my notes out. I

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gotta throw all my notes out that I had about that position.

2:15

And yeah, so I'll spring together some receiver

2:17

stuff. I feel like we can pivot and do that.

2:19

I know.

2:20

Lo, look, let's just start with the fact that obviously reception

2:22

perception has has grown. It has

2:25

been very successful. Congratulations to you and

2:27

our old all friend James co Uh

2:29

for that for everything you guys have done. But

2:32

let's just start from the beginning. Man, how did

2:34

RP come to be and how has it evolved

2:36

over the years.

2:37

Yeah, you know, way back when

2:39

we're twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen. So

2:43

you know, for me, I wanted to kind

2:45

of when I was number one, hoping to

2:47

break into the industry, right, Like, I mean, it's

2:50

crazy now, guys, how much things have

2:52

changed in the last ten years, and really how much

2:54

bigger this industry has gotten.

2:57

You're not just fantasy but just straight up

2:59

and analysis too. There's so many

3:01

people doing so much, so much fantastic

3:04

work, and that felt like the case. Then you

3:06

know, it's only like ten xt pretty much

3:08

since things have blown up the

3:10

last ten years here. But so for me, I wanted

3:12

to try to find like my niche. Right, everybody

3:15

kind of gives you that advice, like try to find your nieche,

3:17

try to find something that you can carve out. And for me,

3:19

when I wanted to do that, I wanted to

3:21

set out to really answer the number

3:23

one question that I had about football.

3:26

You know, from just my early days of

3:28

consuming the sport and everything, it was just always

3:31

I was obsessed with the wide receiver position because

3:33

when you're watching games on Sunday, right, you know, we

3:36

definitely know this as fantasy fans, you're

3:38

not seeing the receiver what they're doing downfield

3:41

on like the broadcast angle. And as a receiver,

3:43

you're lucky to get like eight to ten targets

3:45

in a game, like we feel great about our fantasy

3:48

receivers, or they're getting eight to ten targets in a game,

3:50

but at the same time, they're running like thirty

3:52

plus routes, sometimes they're playing

3:55

sixty plus snaps. In my mind,

3:57

I thought, there's got to be some

4:00

because wide receiver production is so inherently

4:03

dependent on outside variables

4:05

to get put into the stat sheet, there's got

4:07

to be some way to give these guys credit for

4:09

what they're doing on all those snaps isolated

4:11

from quarterback play and offensive

4:14

system and all that type of stuff. So that's what reception

4:16

perception sort of how it came to be and what

4:19

it is that I do. And so for people

4:21

that don't know, over an eight game sample for

4:23

NFL players in college prospects, when that much

4:25

film becomes available to me as

4:27

a you know, lowly peon on the

4:29

outside, I charged

4:32

every single route that they run, every single snap that they play,

4:34

and again try to isolate them from

4:36

why from the wide receiver from the surrounding variables

4:39

like quarterback play and everything. So the main metrics

4:41

are success rate versus coverage, where show

4:43

you how often they're getting open against man's own press

4:45

coverage, how often they're running each route type, how

4:48

often they are successfully running each

4:50

route type. And there's contested catch metrics,

4:53

there's after catch metrics, and the most crucial

4:55

thing boys is really to me the alignment

4:57

data, Like that's where every discussion has to start

4:59

and t go down from. So again, the big

5:02

picture of reception perception is

5:04

just I'm trying to isolate wide receiver play from surrounding

5:07

variables. So specifically for the draft,

5:09

it's tough because we don't. Again, we don't

5:11

know where these guys are gonna play yet. But I think

5:13

the main goal for reception perception is showing

5:16

you what type of player this guy

5:18

is and what roles he can be successful,

5:20

so that so that when they are drafted,

5:23

we can sort of make those assessments from there.

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And I'm a subscriber to Reception

5:27

Perception.

5:28

Not only do you get all of that and that amazing

5:30

analysis, you also have the best boxer

5:32

in the fantasy industry on your Yeah,

5:36

for sure it is correct.

5:37

Now, I don't know how many people are competing

5:40

for that title, but yes, that is true.

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Yeah, man, we gotta get we gotta get go back in the releast,

5:45

I need video of Co's

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one bout, you

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know.

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I mean, he got in great shape, he slimmed down,

5:52

he looked awesome. I know it didn't.

5:53

Necessarily end out the way he wanted it to, but I

5:56

want video of it. I need video proof of this thing.

5:59

Yeah, I have seen video proof of it, at

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least I don't think. But yeah, it's got to

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be.

6:03

On his Instagram, like little preview clips of

6:05

it though there.

6:08

I should follow it on Instagram, Yeah,

6:10

you should.

6:11

You probly follow your

6:13

you know, your co owner of reception

6:15

perception on it.

6:16

That's just me.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So you talk about like things like you

6:21

know, where guys line up and that sort

6:23

of thing, you know, positional data and that sort

6:25

of stuff. What things, What do

6:27

you consider signal? What do you consider noise when

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you're actually watching guys?

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Yeah, And I think this is really a critical

6:34

sticking point that for different

6:37

positions within the position, different

6:39

metrics matter more. A

6:42

great just sort of comparison in this

6:44

draft class. And I know this has been kind of a

6:46

discussion point in the fantasy industry and people

6:48

post this stuff. Is like we look at

6:50

like Xavier Worthy versus eighty Mitchell's

6:52

like production profile in

6:55

college, Like last year Xavier Worthy

6:57

was more productive, He's been more productive at text

7:00

and obviously Ady Mitchell transferred from Georgia to

7:02

Texas. But then you sit there and like, look

7:04

at these two guys and what they are doing

7:06

on the field. It's so

7:08

so different to me. This sort

7:11

of crystallized in my mind actually years

7:13

ago, Marcus, when

7:15

Jujus Smith, Schuster and Antonio Brown were playing for the Pittsburgh

7:18

Steelers and there was like this debate in fantasy

7:20

circles and even in NFL circles, like is Jujus

7:22

Smith Schuster the better receiver now? And to

7:24

me, I was like, well number one, no, and

7:27

number two Like who cares? Because they're basically

7:29

like they might both have wr next

7:31

to their name, but they just played the

7:33

position so differently because of where

7:35

they line up. Like back in that example,

7:38

Juju is like that big slot receiver. He's running

7:40

a lot against zone coverage. He's getting

7:43

free lanes for yak opportunities.

7:45

He's not seen as much pressman coverage.

7:47

Meanwhile, Antonio Brown as

7:50

the outside vertical X receiver, he's

7:52

running a lot of pressman coverage. He's running

7:54

vertical routes. Like if you just want to get down

7:56

to it, one of those jobs is a lot harder

7:59

than the other. That doesn't like denigrate

8:01

who that big slot receivers as a player.

8:04

It's just more difficult to get

8:06

open and to work yourself into

8:08

the right spots for a quarterback if

8:10

you're that vertical X receiver. So for

8:12

this Texas example that we're

8:14

talking about here, like yeah, they're

8:17

they're they're very they're two very different players,

8:19

Xavier Worthy and Ady Mitchell, And I think teams

8:21

that want, you know, Xavier Worthy on their

8:23

team are not gonna necessarily be eighty Mitchell

8:25

teams, And there's probably some overlap, but just

8:28

generally they're not gonna be doing the same things

8:30

in the NFL because they weren't doing the same things in

8:32

college. So for a guy that is that vertical

8:34

X receiver, you do want to see them beat

8:37

more. You want to see them beat man and press

8:39

coverage. The league is more zone heavy

8:41

overall now than it was certainly ten years ago

8:43

when I was doing this, even five three years ago, it's

8:45

more zone heavy, but brass

8:48

tacks like down in distance, critical down

8:50

in distance situations in the red zone.

8:52

That's when man coverage goes up. You want that

8:54

number one outside receiver to be able to beat

8:56

man and press coverage. But if you're

8:58

a guy that's gonna move around the formation

9:01

pre snap motion, you're gonna play in slide, you're

9:03

gonna play off ball as the flanker, it's more

9:05

important than for you to be a zone beating receiver.

9:07

It's more important for you to run those inbreaking

9:10

routes. I mean, we could give a lot of different

9:12

examples, but from a high level, like

9:14

alignment perspective. Those are the two

9:16

things I think are most important for where like

9:19

where those guys are gonna line up, and then what

9:21

their strengths and weaknesses are as a player.

9:23

And we all know that this class starts

9:26

with the Big Three. I'm curious

9:28

how because people think it's a hot take to

9:30

have anyone but Marvin Harrison Junior as the number

9:32

one in this class. How do you rank these Big

9:34

three?

9:35

My personal opinion Florio on this

9:38

class is that I

9:40

think all three of these guys are Tier

9:42

one wide receiver prospects, And to me, on

9:44

my stacked board on reception perception, a

9:47

Tier one player is worth a top

9:49

ten pick and they are ready made to

9:51

be a starter day one in their NFL

9:53

career and can grow into like reaching

9:56

that superstar tier. Like they have

9:58

that potential. It's very easy to see that that potential

10:01

early on in their career. So all three

10:03

of those guys are Tier one players. You

10:05

know, there's only been a handful of Tier one prospects to

10:07

me the last four years. So

10:10

with that being said, you like this guy

10:12

or that guy? Cool, I don't

10:14

care like you like

10:16

Melik Neighbors over Marvin Harrison that's

10:18

fine. I'm not gonna get in a ten tweet argument

10:20

with you about that, or you know you like you

10:22

like Marvin Harrison over Roman Dunday. Cool,

10:25

that's fine. I think those guys, I mean what we

10:27

just talked about with positional designations like Marvin

10:30

Harrison and Roman Dunsay, are these like true X receivers.

10:32

They're boundary guys that are gonna run vertical

10:34

routes and and and win at all three levels.

10:36

Malik Neighbors is not that guy. So like I again,

10:39

I think there will be teams that have Milik

10:41

Neighbors as their wide receiver one because they want

10:43

somebody that's maybe more dangerous after

10:45

the catch, that can move around the formation and

10:47

and all those things. So it's perfectly plausible

10:50

for you to rank one of these guys ahead of the other. That's

10:52

fine me personally, which again

10:55

this is not to say like oh my want my poor

10:57

burden as an outsider ranking these

10:59

receivers, but it's more difficult, I think to rank them

11:01

just generally for all thirty two teams, and it is for a

11:03

specific team, But for me, I do

11:06

have it as Marvin Harrison, Roma Dunza

11:08

and Melik Neighbors, and I will say that the

11:10

harder debate for me was

11:13

Rome or Harrison at the top.

11:16

I'm a big fan of Roma Dunza. I

11:18

just love everything about his game. I think

11:20

he's got a super high floor and a

11:23

super high ceiling. He is my type

11:25

of wide receiver in terms of a guy that is a true

11:27

route runner, has great technique, wins

11:29

at all three levels, can get separation on

11:32

all the routes, can run every route in the tree,

11:34

can play you want him actually to play in the slot.

11:36

I think he can do that. But he's a true boundary

11:39

X receiver. Great hands, best

11:41

hands in the class to me, can give you like

11:43

definitely not the face melting

11:46

yak plays run after catchability that Malik

11:48

Neighbors presents, but like he can get

11:50

your breaking view tackles like pick you a couple of yards

11:52

up after the catch. Kind of the player

11:54

I gave him like an aggressive comparison to was

11:57

Devontae Adams. Now I'm not saying he's gonna be DeVonta

11:59

Adams, but stylist. If he hits his

12:01

peak, I think he can be that number

12:03

one receiver you throw the ball to thirty

12:06

percent of the time on passing plays and you

12:08

never think twice about it.

12:10

So the common consens is a wide receiver

12:12

four.

12:13

You know, in the fancy streets, we see a lot of

12:15

people putting Brian Thompson

12:17

Junior. But I'm more curious of where you aligned

12:20

with the wide receiver four in that spot.

12:22

Yeah, I think that the wide receiver four to me, like

12:25

if we're not counting off

12:27

the field stuff, which we

12:29

can do, we can do that in our little fake

12:32

scenarios, right because

12:35

you know, but like actual team building,

12:37

you got to consider locker room and dynamics

12:39

and again personality and all that stuff. And you

12:42

know, certainly incidents where you

12:45

strike a woman when there when they're running

12:47

onto the field. You got to consider all of these

12:49

things when you're building a team. But purely on ability,

12:52

I actually think the wide receiver four in this class is Jermaine

12:54

Burton. Yeah, I

12:56

mean he's he is so talented

13:00

and look, I realized that ifs

13:03

are ifs right, and and we can

13:05

say, yeah that if this never happened,

13:07

if the off field profile is clean, if Alabama

13:10

had a more functional passing offense last year,

13:12

I think Jermaine Burton would be a Round

13:15

one pick in this NFL draft, which is a very

13:17

good class of wide receivers. I think he's that

13:19

good, Like he gives you all that ability to beat

13:22

press coverage, man covers, like lineup as an

13:24

outside receiver and stretch the field vertically

13:27

win in tight coverage. He shows you everything

13:29

you want from a number one receiver. Unfortunately,

13:31

like I said, he's he's got off the he's got off the

13:33

field questions that like, for me, if I'm building

13:35

a team, I'm I might not even consider taking him

13:37

at all, much less taking him on the first

13:40

two days of the draft. So it sounds crazy. It's

13:42

like, oh, I think this guy's wide receiver four and then people

13:44

are gonna listen to this. He's gonna go on day three. Yeah,

13:47

again, do the do the backs, the back

13:49

research here, and kind of everybody you

13:51

talk to the first like everybody

13:53

talked to in the league, you know, people that are connected

13:55

in the league, the first thing they say is, yeah, this guy has

13:57

serious character red flags that you're you're

13:59

not gonna him on your team, like don't even touch him.

14:01

So understandable where that is. And if

14:03

you exclude Burton in that, then I do have Brian

14:06

Thomas as my next ranked receiver, and

14:08

then I think there's kind of actually a drop off to

14:10

the next group of guys where it's more of like a big

14:12

bunch of players. But yeah, if

14:14

you're just looking for a clean profile, I do think

14:17

Brian Thomas gives you that as a true

14:19

vertical receiver from day one, with maybe

14:21

the opportunity to grow into more.

14:23

So I'll say this because when I was on Harmon's pod,

14:25

we were talking about kind of just wish casting best

14:28

landing spots or favorite landing spots, and we

14:30

got to Jermaine Burton in Florido. I

14:32

wish casted him to the Bills, and

14:35

you you just have to know that Harmon

14:37

was nearly orgasmic about the idea of drafting

14:41

Jermaine Burton as a fantasy asset.

14:44

Catching the football from Josh Allen. I'm

14:46

just I'm just saying take it.

14:49

Personally, want someone else, but I'll

14:51

gladly take if Harmon likes it, I'm on board.

14:53

So yeah, friends, friends

14:56

don't let friends overdraft the

14:58

hell out of Jermaine Burton if

15:01

he lands with the Bills, for sure. That's why I told Marcus

15:03

yesterday, and I hope

15:05

you guys and all your listeners will hold me accountable

15:07

on that because that is like a very exciting

15:09

on field fit. Now, if I'm Brandon Bean and

15:11

we just dealt with the whole Stefan Diggs

15:13

thing, maybe we just want to get and

15:16

we want to get something a little smoother there

15:18

from a locker room perspective, but stylistically,

15:21

like, yeah, you just think about what they lost

15:23

and digs. You know, Jermaine

15:25

Burton gives you both of that because he replaces

15:28

the downfield ability of Gabe Davis,

15:30

but in more a package that I'm more

15:32

comfortable with from like a consistency

15:34

perspective. On the field, I think Jermaine Burton

15:37

presents you that, but he also presents you with that man

15:39

press coverage ability that Stefan

15:41

Diggs presented you at his peak. I mean,

15:43

like you pull up the reception perception data

15:45

on Jermaine Burton, he looks like from

15:48

a profile perspective, like kind of a

15:50

poor man's more aggressive version of

15:52

Chris Olave. Like that's the type of player

15:54

I think the Bills need right now. So yeah,

15:56

on the field, it would make a lot of sense. I don't know if culturally

15:59

it makes a lot of sense.

16:00

Yeah, well we will see where they go.

16:02

We have plenty more to talk about with dive into some guys

16:04

individually, talking with Matt Harmon here to take a quick

16:06

break, coming back with more on the NFL Fantasy Football

16:08

Podcast. All

16:14

right, let's get into some more guys, kind of specifically,

16:16

of course, talking to the out

16:18

creator, owner of Reception, perception and general

16:21

all around good guy to drink beer with,

16:23

the one only Matt Harmon.

16:25

I was gonna say, good, good guy to drink beer with. I'll

16:27

take good guy. Yeah.

16:30

Look, I have to put in the caveat here. We

16:32

had a qualify your statement.

16:34

We just stunned.

16:35

I was stunned for a second.

16:37

I don't want to ruin your reputation, trust me, That's not

16:39

what I'm here to do. Your

16:41

thoughts on Javon Baker and is

16:43

there a team you see out there that would be a

16:45

particularly good fit for him?

16:47

Yeah, Baker's interesting because, on the one

16:50

hand, he does sort of fit into this risky

16:53

bucket of wide receivers that I've talked

16:55

about really like since about twenty

16:57

fifteen, twenty sixteen. I put this out

16:59

on Twitter's you can go find that if

17:01

you're looking for it. It's also linked in Javon

17:03

Baker's perception perception profile on the site

17:06

receivers that have taken the vast majority

17:08

of their snaps on one side of

17:11

the field. So for me, I you know,

17:13

vast majority. I arbitrarily just

17:15

say seventy percent, because you never

17:17

see a guy in the NFL unless they're playing

17:19

in Cliff Kingsbury's weirdo offense, like deal

17:21

with DeAndre Hopkins a few years ago, take

17:23

like over seventy percent of their snaps

17:26

on one side of the field. You're really tasked with

17:28

moving multiple sides. That is a very collegiate

17:30

thing. So guys that have taken

17:32

that, like I mean, we're talking like big time busts

17:35

in the last few years. You know, we're talking like Kevin White. So

17:37

I'm at Corey Coleman, Josh Doxton. You

17:40

know the quand Treadwell fits into this. There's other

17:42

players, well, Quinton Johnston last year. We don't

17:44

quite know how his career is going to turn out, but obviously he

17:47

is a slow developing player at the very least.

17:49

Really, there's one in four guys that if you look at

17:51

that list that that qualify players

17:53

I've charted in terms of perception perception, Like, the four

17:55

guys that have worked out are Jujus Misschuesterns

17:58

Rice, both guys moved into the slot and right

18:00

away in their NFL career, and then DJ

18:02

Moore and Drake London qualify

18:04

as well. Dj Moore kind of like he took a little bit

18:06

to get rolling as a route runner, so I think that risk

18:09

is still kind of present in his profile, but now

18:11

obviously he's a great receiver. Drake Lennon,

18:13

I think like he looked like a pro right away

18:15

from day one and didn't really fit into this

18:17

bucket. So that's sort of the negative

18:19

with Javon Baker is that he

18:22

is he does worth

18:24

known. He barely fits into this bucket. Seventy point

18:26

seven percent of his sample snaps in reception perception

18:28

came on the outside left side

18:30

of the field, So again, if you just want to throw

18:32

him out, I think that's fine. He also

18:35

didn't play this way and in his first year

18:37

at UCF where he moved across

18:39

the field, so again maybe it just doesn't even fit

18:41

into anything I just said, but he is still one

18:43

of these big twelve receivers with a stripped down route

18:45

tree, like thirty five point six percent of his

18:47

sample routes in the games I charted where a

18:49

go route, which is absurd. No one

18:51

else is higher than twenty two percent in

18:54

the Reception Perception database this year. So it's

18:56

bonkers in terms of the amount of vertical routes

18:58

he's running. But he's a good

19:00

downfield receiver, Like, he's very good

19:02

on those routes, and he's very good in tight

19:04

coverage situation. So I do think

19:07

there is some immediate translatability

19:09

in terms of like those downfield routes and the way

19:12

he contract the ball vertically, but you see a lot

19:14

of ability to to beat man

19:16

coverage and zone coverage and press coverage

19:18

underneath. He actually has the third

19:20

best success rate versus press coverage in the class,

19:23

behind Roma Dune's Marvin

19:25

and Marvin Harrison. He's third there, So there's

19:28

some real upside for him. And I think once you get

19:30

past the big three, once you get

19:32

past Brian Thomas and Ady Mitchell, like

19:35

just in terms of pure x receivers, he's probably

19:37

the next best guy off the board. So when

19:39

we're thinking about landing spots, I

19:41

do think we have to bring up Buffalo for sure.

19:44

I think we have to bring up Kansas City. They need a true

19:47

X receiver. And i'd also third Dallas

19:49

out there as well. Like they lose Michael, well, they don't lose

19:51

Michael Gallup. They say goodbye to Michael Gallup this offseason.

19:54

And actually that's my player comparison for Javon Baker.

19:56

Is Michael Gallup like a guy that started

19:58

out as a big time vertical threat and before

20:00

his aclchair was kind of developing into a

20:03

more of a full field receiver. So I

20:05

think he's a guy that is gonna come off the board in Day

20:07

two. I have him ranked pretty highly, So

20:10

I would really like that pick.

20:11

There.

20:11

You said Michael Gallup Or don't

20:14

say that, because for years I was. I was on

20:16

the Michael Gallup train, to the point that our friend and producer

20:18

Hythan Kalani just he still won't let me forget

20:20

about it. Like I've let go of the rope years ago,

20:23

he still won't let me forget about it.

20:25

He he had eleven hundred yards in his second

20:27

season. Like, I think that was a good take.

20:29

All right, Well, thanks, yeah,

20:32

but we're talking day two, guys.

20:34

I'm wondering where do

20:37

you have any concerns about Xavier Laget,

20:39

because like he's a guy that's like in the fancy

20:41

streets right now, people are still trying to figure

20:43

out, like what's so special about him.

20:46

And do you have any concerns?

20:47

Uh, Yeah, He's a guy that I've called

20:50

the most difficult evaluation in this class

20:52

because I think you can look at yeah,

20:55

yeah, well number one, like throw out

20:57

the reception perception for a second. You just don't

20:59

see a player have this type

21:01

of collegiate journey, right he is

21:03

a guy that played for five years

21:06

at the same school and didn't break out until

21:08

his fifth season. Like

21:11

I think we you know, maybe we don't even have

21:13

a conversation about it here, but just generally

21:15

there's a conversation that we had about just how weird

21:18

this draft class is for a couple of different reasons.

21:20

Because it's an older class. There's

21:22

a lot of guys like zaber Leaguet who are coming

21:24

in here after five seasons because

21:26

of COVID. There's also, like I think once

21:28

we get to the third day, like I've talked to several evaluators

21:31

who just say, like, after one hundred and fifty dress

21:34

like it's not good. You're gonna be drafting a

21:36

lot of like UDFA graded

21:38

players in round six and seven

21:40

and stuff like that where you wouldn't previously necessarily.

21:43

So it's it's

21:45

an interesting draft to sort of consider. And I think zaber

21:48

le Get specifically talks

21:50

like he kind of personifies that in a

21:52

way. And then when you look

21:54

at his reception perception profile too, he's

21:57

a difficult player to get a handle on because I think you can

22:00

look at you can look at his profile in several different

22:02

angles and like kind of talk yourself into a couple

22:04

different things. So I think if he is a

22:06

pure x receiver, he probably

22:10

he probably fits into like the Alshon

22:13

Jeffery type of bucket. If you look at his man press

22:15

success rates, you're gonna be more

22:18

so counting on him in contested situations

22:20

like tight coverage down the field. To

22:22

me, that's not like unless I have the

22:25

right type of quarterback that's just

22:27

so aggressive and willing to make those strows.

22:29

That's not really how I want to use the guy like this, because

22:32

when you look at actually his zone

22:34

coverage success rates pretty good eighty one point four

22:36

percent interception perception. That's a pretty good number.

22:39

You look at his dig route and slant route

22:41

success rate, those routes over the middle of the

22:43

field. That's that's

22:45

really like a good indicator for that.

22:47

If a guy that you can use in He's

22:49

not Deebo Samuel, but use him in the like non

22:52

gimmicky running back Deebo Samuel type

22:54

role where you're getting him off the ball your pre

22:56

snap motion crossing routes over the middle. That's where

22:59

I think you want to use zably gets. So to

23:01

answer the question like he is going to be a guy

23:04

that after he gets drafted, I'm gonna

23:06

really know how I feel about the fit right

23:08

now, I'm like, it just depends on the team.

23:11

Here.

23:11

Let's say to Patriots, I'm

23:15

there.

23:17

I'm concerned because I think

23:19

I think they'll get beyond

23:21

started.

23:22

He'll burn him.

23:23

Yeah, I mean beyond beyond the fact that just

23:25

like what is I mean, who who are they drafting a quarterback?

23:28

You know, in the top in the top three picks, So they are

23:30

who is it? Chakobra Set. I like Jacobra Set, but

23:33

I just don't think they have a situation right

23:35

now to grow and

23:38

develop a quarterback number one and then a wide

23:40

receiver. You know, I like Pop Douglas

23:42

as a slot. They still have juju kicking around

23:44

there. You know, they lose DeVante Parker, who

23:46

is sort of their pure X receiver. Kendrick Bourn's coming

23:49

off in a cl like, are they just gonna throw zab

23:51

to get out as the X receiver? I

23:53

think that would be a little concerning.

23:56

You know, there's a lot of buzz that like Caroline

23:58

is gonna take him at thirty three. He had an interview

24:00

a couple recent a couple a couple days

24:02

ago, maybe a week ago, where he said

24:05

he's been told that if he's there at thirty

24:07

three, the Panthers are taking

24:09

him. That's what they've told him. You

24:11

know, that gets said to a lot of prospects all the time

24:13

and then they get their hearts broken, So that that could

24:15

certainly happen. But that's another spot

24:17

where Okay, where is he lining up?

24:20

Because they sort of had that guy in Jonathan

24:22

Mingo last year that I thought like, if he's gonna

24:24

work in the NFL, it's gonna have to be as a big slot.

24:26

Well, you have Adam Thielon who's a pro

24:29

and he's playing he's a big slot receiver at this point

24:32

in his career. So you've

24:34

blocked Mingo there, right, And like Flan

24:36

is still on the team. Deontay Johnson's

24:38

kind of a guy that you can line up at X. He

24:40

has lined up at X in his career. But he's

24:43

also really I think had his best season

24:45

last season from an efficiency standpoint,

24:48

when he was when George Pickens was the ex receiver

24:50

and he was allowed to play more off the ball. So

24:52

again, where's Zavier? Look

24:54

at that? That's a slightly better

24:56

picture to me, but still one that like, these are the questions

24:58

I think we're gonna have to ask once he gets drafted.

25:02

And last week Peter Schrager put

25:04

out a mock he had Jalen Polk

25:06

going in the first round, and it kind

25:08

of turned fantasy analysts against one another.

25:11

I like Polk.

25:12

I don't think he's a first round pick, but how do you feel

25:14

about him?

25:15

I don't think Jalen Polk's a first

25:18

round pick, but I sort of bucketed

25:20

him in the priority round

25:22

two bucket. I think this

25:24

guy's a good player. Man. I didn't know what

25:27

to expect going into his film, but you know, beyond

25:29

the fact that like I had seen Washington's offense and

25:31

like, I know they're gonna throw the ball down the field because

25:33

I'd already worked on Rome soon day. But I

25:36

didn't really know much about Jalen Polk. I knew Jalen

25:38

Jalen McMillan was kind of their primary slot

25:41

guy. But I've also seen some people say that, like Jalen

25:43

Polp maybe projects best of the slot. And

25:45

that's one thing that's interesting about him is like you get a glimpse

25:48

of him doing a lot of different

25:50

things, Like sixty point six percent of his sample

25:52

snaps were outside, thirty five point eight percent

25:54

were in the slot. He's in the backfield

25:56

as like a pre SAT motion option on three

25:59

point six percent of sampled snaps, and like like

26:01

thirty five percent of his snaps and slot's a pretty healthy

26:03

number for a guy that's not a pure slot player.

26:06

I think that's probably his best role in the NFL, very

26:08

like Robert woods Ish and

26:10

his ability to beat zone coverage is nice. I

26:13

really like his route running overall,

26:15

like he knows where to settle, he knows where to kind of work

26:17

back to the quarterback against zone coverage. But the

26:19

routes to get you really excited and

26:22

you think about, like I wrote this on the website, is

26:24

like and you know, hopefully no one's listening to this

26:26

right now, even though it's a podcast. Like

26:29

I'm not saying he's the next Pooka Akua,

26:31

right, Like, don't aggregate me and say he's

26:33

the next Pookin Akua. But like, from

26:36

a utilization standpoint, how

26:38

they used Puka is kind of how I think Jalen

26:40

Polk should be used in the NFL. Where you're

26:42

getting him on these crossing routes and stuff like that. That's

26:45

where it's really exciting for me. I think he's not a lot

26:47

of build up speed against man coverage. He

26:49

just seems like a really rugged,

26:52

reliable, dirty work player. And

26:54

if you go back and read what I wrote about Pooka

26:56

before the draft, I used a lot of the same

26:58

words, like we're talking about that family of

27:00

receivers.

27:01

Now.

27:01

He's not going to go out and break rookie records, most likely

27:03

as a as a first year player, but I do

27:05

think he can land in a good spot and

27:08

be a relatively productive player early.

27:11

Climate Pooka, you heard it here.

27:12

Firstwet reception

27:17

perception, owners says, this is

27:19

the new Puka Nakua.

27:20

I may or may not have some of those accounts blocked,

27:22

but.

27:24

I like it.

27:25

I like a clean feed. But that's me. That's

27:27

just me.

27:27

It's funny.

27:28

So Keon Coleman was a guy who I felt like at

27:30

the start of draft season was getting a lot

27:32

of talk and suddenly he's not suddenly,

27:35

but he just kind of steadily faded. I think as

27:37

we have gotten closer to the actual

27:39

draft, one of the knocks on him is that he is

27:41

not a good separator. I know for you that's

27:44

not necessarily a big thing or a bad

27:46

thing necessarily, but

27:49

you do sort of worry that a guy who can't separate in college,

27:52

what's he going to do with the NFL level?

27:53

Is that a concern for you? For him?

27:56

Yeah, So I did a full YouTube breakdown on

27:58

this, so you guys can check that out if you're interested

28:00

in real dorky percentiles and numbers

28:03

and a lot of names that you forgot about at the wide

28:05

receiver position, if you want to go check

28:07

that out. But prior to this year's class, in

28:09

terms of all of the guys I've charted in

28:12

reception, perceptionist prospects. There

28:14

have been thirty four players total that

28:16

have finished below the thirty fifth

28:18

percentile against man, zone,

28:21

and press cover all three of these metrics,

28:24

or at least two of the three. Kean

28:26

Coleman does fit into this bucket where he

28:28

is below the thirty fifth percentile against man

28:31

and press coverage. Now, his own coverage success

28:33

rate is pretty good. But if you look at all those

28:35

players, thirty four total players, I

28:37

would say nine of them. Again, I'm not going

28:39

to read it the whole list year because it's a mess. Nine

28:42

of these guys have had moments in

28:45

the league. So that's twenty eight percent of the list. I

28:47

would argue that there are five true

28:49

inarguable hits. All

28:51

five of those guys are

28:54

big slot receivers. I'm on Ross

28:56

Saint Brown is one of them, a guy who was not good

28:58

against man, press coverages and outside receiver at

29:00

USC, but it was a pretty solid zone beater. Cooper

29:02

Cup was another one of them. Not that good against

29:05

man press coverage as a slot, as a as a receiver

29:07

in college, but was good against zone coverage.

29:10

And by the way, before he went like nuclear with Stafford,

29:12

he was a guy that was not that great against

29:14

man press coverage early in his career, being used

29:17

in like these very specific I mean, Lakwan you know this, like

29:19

these very specific, like almost tight

29:21

end dish type ways. You know, he was like chipping guys and then

29:23

going out to routes in the flat as a big

29:25

slot receiver. He's like the first guy to really be in this

29:28

arc type. Other players that fit

29:30

this list Juju is another one perimeter

29:32

receiver at USC moved into the slot. Rashi

29:35

Rice another guy perimeter receiver at

29:37

SMU moved into the slot, and then Tyler

29:39

Boyd is the other one who was a big

29:42

slot receiver during his time with the Bengals.

29:44

So I think that is the best

29:46

future projection for a guy like

29:49

Keon Coleman. I understand the temptation

29:51

that other people will have of like he's a big

29:53

guy, you use him at ex receiver and you throw him into

29:55

tight coverage situations. He's

29:57

a different player, obviously

30:00

a different player than what we talked about with xavierly

30:02

get there. They're not the same guy, but it's it's sort

30:05

of the same way where I think I

30:07

think Lagett can play a little bit more outside

30:09

than Coleman can, But I just want Coleman running

30:11

these routes against zone coverage,

30:14

having some freedom, you know, to get

30:16

into space, because he's pretty good when

30:18

he's got a head of steam. There runner

30:20

routes with the free release, like crossing over the middle

30:23

of the field, and I think he fits into that bucket

30:25

of receiver. So another guy that like where he lands

30:27

is gonna matter a lot because there are coaching

30:30

staffs I trust with this transition, and

30:32

then there are coaching staffs that I do not trust

30:34

with this transition. Again the Jonathan Mingo example

30:37

earlier, he fits into this bucket. Another

30:40

example, Traylon Burks fit into this bucket.

30:42

And what did the Titans do with Traylon Burks despite

30:45

the fact I rode in his RP profile like this is

30:47

a guy that needs to play as a big slot receiver.

30:49

He's gonna work in the NFL because that was what he

30:51

was doing in college. They took big body receiver

30:53

wins in tight coverage, can rippy downfield,

30:55

and they threw him out an X receiver. And even though he's

30:57

had injuries when he's been on the field, the film

31:00

is not good for trailing Brook. So that's

31:02

sort of the path I'd like

31:04

to see Kean Coleman go down.

31:06

Just sort of weird that the Titans moved

31:08

on from AJ Brown for what they thought

31:10

was sort of arbitrage AJ Brown

31:13

and worked out.

31:14

Sometimes sometimes you trade your elite

31:16

receiver and you get Justin Jefferson

31:19

for like for the Viking example. Sometimes you trade

31:21

your elite receiver and you get Trailing Brooke.

31:24

So we'll see.

31:25

My biggest takeaway there was USC receivers

31:28

can't win out wide in the NFL.

31:30

Unless you drink London, unless

31:33

you drink Wow.

31:35

You know what. They may not be able to win outside,

31:37

but they get paid, so that is true.

31:41

They get paid. We still

31:43

got a few more guys to talk about.

31:44

Take another quick break, will come back, excuse me, and wrap

31:47

things up here with Matt Harmon on the NFL Fantasy

31:49

Football Podcast. A

31:54

few other guys we want to touch on, as we

31:56

got Harmon here for a little bit longer. Malachi

31:59

Corley, and when I watch

32:01

male Kai Corley, I hate

32:03

saying this, right, but Debo

32:07

in the sense of they used

32:09

him in multiple ways, not saying that he

32:11

is a Deebo Samuel type player or will

32:13

be at the NFL level. Does

32:15

this skill set translate or is

32:18

he I know a lot of these guys are are landing

32:20

spot dependent, but it feels like he is more landing

32:22

spot dependent than a lot of other guys in this class.

32:26

Oh.

32:26

Absolutely, Any

32:28

of these like Gadgety create

32:31

a touch type players. It's gonna

32:33

really matter where they land right now.

32:36

I think that when you look at malak Kai Corley

32:38

and you compare him to sort of the fake

32:42

receivers that have come out of the draft in

32:44

the last few years, you

32:46

know, Rondel Moore, Wandale

32:49

Robinson, I think he's

32:51

more of a real receiver than those guys. He's

32:53

also bigger, obviously than a guy certainly

32:55

like a guy like Rondel Moore, he I

32:57

think brings you a little more physicality after

33:00

they catch in some of those players, which that's gonna

33:02

that's gonna matter, right I Mean, the guy literally calls himself

33:05

the Yak King, and he certainly

33:07

is that type of player. But yeah, he's a guy that's

33:09

gonna take a specific role. I mean, eighty

33:11

nine percent of his sample snaps for reception perception

33:13

were in the slot, eight point two percent

33:15

in the backfield, ninety nine point

33:18

three percent. Just one snap

33:20

out of the full sample was on the line of scrimmage.

33:22

He's an off ball player that you're

33:24

gonna move around, you're gonna create mismatches

33:26

with. But again that's gonna take the right coaching

33:28

staff. So he to me,

33:31

he's a guy that, like I prefer to take

33:33

that profile on on day three. But

33:35

every now and again you will see

33:37

a coaching staff, like with those two players I mentioned

33:39

earlier, Rondelle Moore Wando Robinson,

33:41

like now we're taking that on on day two

33:44

and then we're immediately or sometimes they do it like

33:46

Cadarius Tony Giants

33:48

twice here, different different

33:50

gms, but still and

33:53

then like you, you just you've got to build

33:55

a package for those players. It just that it

33:57

can happen. The right coach can do it, the

34:00

right court. I think you also need the right quarterback.

34:03

But at the same time, it's a burden I think for coaching

34:05

have to to to sort of design these plays

34:07

for for guys that are on

34:10

that spectrum of players, because I think with Debo, like look,

34:12

we get obsessed with the gadgety stuff with him, but like,

34:15

guy's also a real receiver. That beats like zone

34:17

coverage and runs legitimate routes. And he's

34:19

not a pressman beater, that's for sure. And I

34:21

do see some of those glimpses with Malachi

34:24

Corley. So if we're talking about the spectrum

34:26

of this, this receiver like Deebo's

34:28

the peak arc type and then these other guys are are

34:30

down here, I do think Corley

34:32

is somewhere in the middle. Just

34:35

don't have a lot of conviction on how close he is

34:37

to one side or the other.

34:39

So I'm a huge sucker for speed

34:41

and I'm a speed demon follower. So Xavier

34:44

Worthy, Like, there's a lot of headlines about the

34:46

speed, but is there more to Xavier

34:48

Worthy? And will it be successful for NFL

34:51

team?

34:52

Yeah, buddy, your rams should

34:54

take Xavier Worthy because

34:58

but yes, yeah, what are we say Marcus

35:00

yesterday? Yeah,

35:03

souped up to two? Yeah, Look,

35:07

I think there are team This is the best

35:09

time for a player like Xavier Worthy to

35:11

come into the NFL because there

35:13

are so many teams making use of these

35:16

full speed pre snap motions right the

35:19

Kyle Shanahan called him the the cheap motions

35:21

last year, Like that's that's

35:24

what you want Xavier Worthy to do it because

35:27

I think he is a real receiver, right, Like he's he's

35:29

not a just a speed demon. He's not your

35:32

you know. Scott Barrett put out the list of

35:34

like the fastest combine speeds ever, and like, well,

35:36

there's only one thousand yard receiver in there

35:39

that was Santana Moss. Shout out what a good player

35:41

Santana Moss was in his prime. If

35:44

we ever did an RP historic uh, you

35:46

know, like old time old timers, Santana

35:49

Moss would definitely be a guide one in there, you

35:51

know. But I think that, like in terms of those

35:53

fast combine speeds, like he's

35:56

much more of a real receiver than like Dree

35:59

Archer or John what

36:01

was JJ Nelson all these guys.

36:03

Right, But there

36:05

are limitations because of the size he

36:08

is not like like Tank Dell. Last year, Despike

36:10

the size had an eighty third percentile

36:13

success rate versus press coverage. Like he

36:15

showed you an ability to win despite

36:17

the size from like a press coverage standpoint, from

36:19

a tight cover standpoint. Those are areas

36:22

of weakness in Xavier Worth these games. But he

36:24

does run good routes. He does separate

36:26

against offman coverage and zone coverage. So

36:29

what I like about those players is think

36:31

about what Jayden Reid did for the Packers last year.

36:34

He was like the Packers for years

36:36

had been trying to have those pre

36:38

snap motion plays and then truly weaponize

36:41

them. They had like even Tyler Irvin a running

36:43

back on those plays, and they even tried

36:45

like Aaron Jones at times. But it's just like it's

36:47

one thing when you and they drafted Amari Rodgers

36:50

thinking he was gonna be this player and he wasn't, and

36:52

they draft Jayden Reid and use him in that role,

36:54

and it's like, Okay, not only do you have a

36:57

dangerous player from a speed perspective

36:59

and a vertical perspective on those

37:01

prestamp motion plays, but you also have

37:03

like a that's a real receiver in Jayden Reid, that's a route

37:05

runner. That's a guy that gets open all on his own.

37:08

I think Xavier Worthy. I mean, he's faster

37:11

than Jayden Reid. He's not necessarily the technician

37:13

that Jayden Reid was, but similar sort of

37:15

thing where okay, yeah, we take for the ram just

37:18

using the Rams as example too. To Atlow

37:20

was like, you know he's doing those things right. For

37:22

he was doing some receivery

37:24

stuff on the back of those prestam motion plays,

37:26

but eventually that wore itself out, and then

37:28

they just throw a real receiver in JaMarcus Robinson,

37:31

who's a death guy, but a real receiver out

37:33

there. I think with Xavier Worthy, you get

37:35

the best of both worlds. So as long as

37:37

one of those teams and he went off

37:40

that tree draft Zavior Worthy, I'm

37:42

in on it.

37:43

I'm here for man.

37:44

I say we trade back from nineteen, you get the picks

37:46

in the second, we load up, and we still get

37:48

him at the back end the first.

37:49

I love it. I've been hoping my Bills

37:51

take him. I'm a sucker for players

37:54

like Xavier Worthy. I Come Toto, Marquise Brown,

37:57

Will Fuller, stuff like that, like these players that I've

37:59

always loved historically.

38:01

But Harmon, I want to know who you love.

38:03

We've actually about a lot of different wide

38:05

receivers. But who is your guy

38:07

in this class? Maybe outside the top three because everyone

38:10

loves the top three.

38:11

Yeah, totally. I mean my guy

38:13

is Marvin Harrison for sure. Yeah.

38:17

We've mentioned a lot of guys that I have like a

38:19

kind of a higher grade than consensus on.

38:21

Maybe. I mean, obviously with the Jermaine Burton stuff, we

38:23

gave all the necessary caveats. I'm not going to say that.

38:26

I'm not going to say, you know, someone that strikes

38:28

a fan coming on the field is

38:30

my guy. But like from an on field perspective, he

38:33

does certainly check a lot of the boxes

38:35

that I would like to bet on. You

38:37

know, but Ricky Piersall is a

38:39

guy I've been ahead of consensus on. I

38:42

love him as a route runner. I think he you

38:44

know, he's similar with Xavier Worthy where or excuse

38:46

me, Xavier Leaguett where he's an older player. He's

38:48

an older prospect, But I don't

38:50

think he's out there out athleting people like

38:53

Xavier legett is. He's winning with nuanced timing

38:55

technique and his route running. That makes me really optimistic

38:57

about him hitting the NFL field and have

39:00

some type of role. Early I've been saying that he's a

39:02

guy that could hit the NFL field and like

39:04

be early on that like quarterback's best friend,

39:06

because he could play all three positions. He can run all the

39:08

routes. He can win short, he can win intermediate, like

39:10

Okay, maybe we have a high low read here and

39:13

whoever insert number one receiver

39:16

here is our high read. Maybe Piercell

39:18

is that guy, Like, all right, we get it to him underneath. He's our second

39:20

read and he can be productive early

39:23

with the upside to grow into a guy that we're comfortable

39:25

throwing the ball to one hundred and twenty times a game.

39:28

You know, we talked about Jamon Baker, He's a player.

39:29

I like.

39:30

The other guy that I think, you know, people aren't

39:32

talking about enough is Malik Washington at

39:34

a UVA. I A

39:37

man. I love Malik Washington, Flouria.

39:40

Are you talking about the players you're flourya? Are you talking about

39:42

like the players you're a sucker for. I'm

39:44

always a sucker for a guy like Malik

39:46

Washington who runs good routes.

39:48

I mean he transferred from Northwestern and UVa's

39:50

coaching staff without having like a full

39:53

production kind of like a big

39:55

resume or anything. They're like, we're gonna build the whole offense

39:57

out of you. Malik Washington, you know what, broke

40:00

ultiple school records? Incredibly productive

40:03

and it worked, and you see him beat

40:05

zone coverage. You see him win against man coverage,

40:07

great hands, some of the best hands in this

40:10

class. I mean he is reliable, like you said,

40:12

understands the game he can win, and tight coverage

40:14

he can win when he's got nobody around him.

40:17

Just consistent hands, and he's

40:19

a kind of a pain to

40:21

bring down after the catch. I was on

40:23

with Rich Reebar, the Great Lord Reeves,

40:25

and he said he's his player. Comparison form

40:28

was if Maurice Jones Drew became

40:30

a became a wide receiver. That's how he sort

40:32

of plays the game. He's that like small compact

40:35

player who just runs like a rolling ball of

40:37

butcher knives. Man. I'm

40:39

a big fan of Malik Washington. Like I talk about

40:41

those Wandell Robinson great example, Wanda

40:44

Robbins goes in the second round, leak Washington is a

40:46

better prospect than Wandell Robinson.

40:48

So like, if he lands in the right team, some team has

40:50

that like conviction to take him on

40:52

Day two of the draft. Yeah, I'm gonna be way

40:54

too excited about him.

40:56

Yeah.

40:57

So, I feel like you've gone through the game

41:00

things. I just want to sort of ask you about reception perception

41:02

kind of in general, because you you sort of touched

41:05

on it. And this is an idea that I think I might have posed to

41:07

you once upon a time, doing kind of a you

41:09

know, I don't know RP Classic or RP

41:12

throwback or something.

41:13

Like that, Like would you ever do that?

41:15

I feel like you actually mentioned that during the pandemic

41:17

you almost got to that point of going

41:19

back and watching old guys and kind of doing reception

41:22

perception for them.

41:23

My thought was that, yeah,

41:25

if if we had had the twenty twenty season when

41:28

listen, remember our mindset, like back in twenty twenty,

41:30

when like, I mean, anybody that worked in the industry

41:32

was like, oh my god, what if like they canceled

41:34

the season and all this stuff.

41:36

I'm like and I was like, what am I going to do? That's

41:38

a whole season's worth of data lost

41:41

me. My plan was actually to go back and like chart old

41:43

players. I don't know how much that would

41:45

have juiced up the subscriber account, but

41:48

that was sort of the plan. Like as much film as like you get

41:50

on guys that I never even really looked at for

41:52

RP, you know, Randy Moss or

41:54

like Steve Smith, even guy

41:57

yeah Tory Hold, Isaac Bruce, Like let's

42:00

get a profile on those guys. That was definitely something

42:02

I considered. Will you take request?

42:07

Here here's the thing. I'm

42:09

not gonna do it now because

42:12

they're you guys. Well maybe not you guys, because

42:14

you know you're you're sickos in your own right, you're your

42:16

fantasy cicos in your own right. But you would

42:19

not believe some of the players I

42:21

like am consistently requested to chart beyond

42:23

the tight end stuff, which.

42:24

Is just like I gonna say, tight ends I know are a big thing

42:26

for you.

42:28

Yeah, Brock, just how many

42:30

times we've gotten like, when's the Kyle Pitt's reception

42:32

perception? Will you consider doing a profile

42:35

on Brock Bowers? And the answer is

42:37

no for two for two

42:40

reasons. One, here's here's

42:42

the like data statistical

42:44

reason. I've been doing reception perception

42:47

for ten years now. Like I have a

42:50

large database of wide receivers, and like

42:52

I said at the top, you know, depending on where guys line

42:54

up, I can tell you what this means, how

42:56

we can project this player not with one hundred percent certainty,

42:58

nothing's one hundred percent and this beautiful game of football,

43:01

but with a strong degree of confidence of

43:03

what this data point means I'm

43:05

gonna start all over at the tight

43:07

end. That's that's tough. Like I'm sorry doing

43:09

tight ends, Like Okay, this guy's great against

43:12

man coverage. What does that mean?

43:13

I don't.

43:14

I don't know, because I just

43:16

don't have that backlog of data like I do with

43:18

wide receivers, the non data

43:21

base, you know, just real person

43:23

reason. I got enough work to do. Like

43:25

I said, there are so many receivers that

43:27

get I mean, like, can you when's the this

43:30

profile coming up? I mean certainly during prospect

43:32

season. You know, there are guys that I'm hoping

43:35

to get on the site like, and I'm running out of time here before

43:37

the draft, right, So I'm busy

43:39

enough with the with the receiver

43:41

position that I can't include tight ends. And then yeah,

43:43

I I'd love to get some old profiles

43:46

up, but probably not gonna happen.

43:48

I will say this, and I know, knowing you

43:50

the way I do, I know that you are not one who is

43:52

you know, prone to April Fools jokes or anything

43:54

like that. But the fact that you guys posted

43:57

a Kyle Pitts route

43:59

tree on a on April Fool's Day.

44:02

That I had nothing

44:04

I had yeah, it was Number one is great. Number two I had

44:06

nothing to do with that. Like I think I said that the

44:08

person who was fooled most by that chart was me,

44:11

because we've mentioned James

44:13

co several times on the show. James

44:16

also had nothing to do with that. The real backbone

44:18

of Reception Perception dot com is Zach Miller.

44:21

Zach Miller is literally,

44:25

I mean I say this with love, a total rando

44:27

who reached out to me on Instagram at one point,

44:29

and you got you know, sometimes people reach out to like, hey, you

44:32

need any help on a project, like I

44:34

would love to help you for free to try to break into

44:36

the industry. And Zach

44:39

just right place, right time when I was building

44:41

the website, put just

44:43

to hit me up on Instagram and I was like, actually,

44:46

yes, because I am overwhelmed and I need help

44:48

getting like old some of these like twenty

44:50

nineteen profiles up on the site before

44:53

we launch here and start charting

44:55

twenty twenty and all that. So yeah, if you want

44:57

to help me, like i'd love, I'm gonna pay you because

45:00

I just I don't believe in letting anybody work

45:02

for free. I'm like, I'll pay you, but you

45:04

can help me with this, and now he's literally become like our

45:06

most our MVP bye by a long shot.

45:08

Like Reception, Perception dot Com as you

45:10

know it and love it maybe does not

45:13

exist without Zach Miller, to the point

45:15

that now all these years later, he

45:17

because he's my most valuable employee,

45:20

you know, of like the free people I employ, by

45:23

far the most valuable even beyond

45:25

my like myself. Listen,

45:28

I can do all the charting. It doesn't get on the website as

45:31

good as it looks and function as well without

45:33

Zach Miller. Now at this point, he can

45:35

do things like post a joke Kyle Pitts chart

45:37

from our social media account.

45:39

And I was like, what is what is that?

45:43

It's like, what's what is that?

45:45

Oh?

45:46

Right? Right? So that was definitely a good april fulist

45:48

joke.

45:48

Yeah, Pal,

45:51

you know, talking to you, I'm

45:54

glad you're in Los Angeles for a couple of days

45:56

you get back here in the West Coast. Although I'm saying I

45:58

said this, I think on your your podcast yesterday that we

46:01

used to live like four or five miles from each other. Now

46:03

we have like three thousand miles apart, and I feel like we still see

46:05

each other the same amount of time we

46:08

lived down the street.

46:09

La is a weird city. And I was literally just having

46:12

this conversation with my wife this morning where

46:14

we saw a group of another group of friends

46:17

last night, had dinner and everything, and I was trying

46:20

to ease the pain of like, oh my god,

46:22

it's so it's so sad we don't see these people. We're

46:24

not we don't live close to these people all the time. I was like, let's

46:27

remember that, like how many times, Like let's count

46:29

literally count our minds, like how often we saw each

46:31

other when we lived here, because it's just like four

46:34

miles in La might as well be like four

46:36

seas away from each other.

46:38

Just yes,

46:41

lives ten. I think it's like eight miles away.

46:43

I see him like once a month.

46:45

Oh that you're you're dude, you're doing

46:47

great. Okay, you eight miles

46:49

away and you see each other once a month, That's

46:51

what that.

46:52

Yeah, I mean, look when we all live like

46:54

in Culver City Palms, and you know, our pal

46:57

Matt Franciscovis franchise lived in Hollywood,

46:59

he might as well have lived in Alaska.

47:01

Like it was just like, we're not we're not coming there. It's

47:04

not happening or La Kwan.

47:05

That happens to Lakwan. He's he's for at least

47:07

for me, he's off the beach.

47:09

He's in like because l Q is in the high rent district

47:11

down in the you know, Rancho Palace four days like, we're

47:13

not we're not welcome down

47:15

that far south.

47:16

First of all, it's so funny.

47:18

I keep checking the mail to see if I ever get like an invite

47:21

to just go to his neighborhood.

47:23

I pay trip out.

47:24

There there on the grill, will

47:27

chill by the pull, we'll do some rankings.

47:28

It's it's literally a day trip. Otherwise, you

47:30

know, otherwise that's totally incredible harmon

47:33

dud Matt. We appreciate you, man. You

47:35

guys are busy over at Yahoo. You guys got a

47:38

whole lot of stuff going on. Man, on top of the reception

47:40

perception Stuffhich everybody should go and subscribe to you

47:43

guys. You get your hands full with Yahoo the next few

47:45

days.

47:45

Correct, absolutely, you know that is why

47:47

I'm here in La. We're doing two live shows

47:50

during the NFL Draft at Night one and

47:52

Night two. It's gonna be a great cast. I

47:55

know. I know you're gonna be watching the NFL network

47:57

obviously. Okay, I'll

47:59

be going to be watching the NFL Network and Daniel

48:02

Jeremiah up there doing his thing, absolutely

48:04

dominating it. But you people out there,

48:07

you have a lot of screens. Okay, you got laptops,

48:10

got iPads, you might have two laptops.

48:12

You definitely got a phone. Okay, So one

48:14

of those screens, what you're gonna do. You're going to the Yahoo

48:16

Sports YouTube page night one to night two,

48:19

and you're gonna watch us during the draft. It's

48:21

gonna be me Charles Robinson, senior NFL

48:23

insider, Adam Gorney from Rivals, so he's

48:25

gonna have a full background these guys dating back to high

48:27

school. Jason Fitz best

48:30

host in the game obviously, and

48:33

Damien Harris, former Patriots and Bill's

48:35

running back, will also be joining the show to break down these

48:37

players. Yeah, it's gonna be full day next

48:39

few days, and of course, my buddy Charles McDonald

48:41

and I will be breaking down both round

48:44

one and then the full draft on

48:46

the Yahoo Fantasy Football Show. As Marcus

48:49

mentioned, so yeah, full day. But I can't wait for it, man,

48:51

I'm just so ready for this thing to happen.

48:53

Yeah, Man, definitely a lot of good stuff over there at

48:55

Yahoo, of course, a lot of great stuff at Reception, Perception.

48:57

Give a shout out to my pal James co.

48:59

I should proably just get on the phone and text him because that's probably

49:01

easier than trying to send a message through

49:03

you. Also really

49:05

forward to you and and Charles McDonald too,

49:08

like you know, the the great four verts on Twitter.

49:10

Always a good listen as

49:12

well, So looking forward to it.

49:14

The Draft is in a

49:17

little more than twenty four hours from now when we

49:19

are currently recording this show, so it should

49:21

be a whole lot of fun there. Of course, we'll be back with you on

49:24

Thursday morning for another

49:26

episode of the Fantasy cheat Sheet. You find that streaming

49:28

on YouTube, and we will be back with you post

49:30

first round of the Draft with a little bit of a

49:32

live stream there too. So you talked, Harman talked about

49:35

the multi screens. You can multi screen all of

49:37

these, you know, have the Draft on TV,

49:39

have the Yahoo stream on one screen, have

49:41

our stream on another screen, and

49:44

you will be bombarded with Fantasy Draft takes

49:46

as though you haven't had enough over the last several

49:48

months. All good Shout

49:51

out to Susie Benon for helping us get

49:53

this thing up and going. Shout out to Harmon

49:55

for stopping by for Michael lef Florio, for Lakwan

49:58

Jones.

49:58

I am Marcus Grant. This has been the.

50:00

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50:02

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50:05

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50:07

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50:09

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