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Yeah, what

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is up? Welcome to another edition of the NFL

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Fantasy Football Podcast. It's me your nam

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G Marcus Grant alongside the Fantasy Hall of Famer

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Michael Faby. I know the fantasy viper Graham

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Barfield in transit. We believe

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from the East Coast, so he should be back with us later

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on in the week. But we have survived.

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We have survived the regular season. Actually,

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you're sporting an Expose hat. It

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just caught me off guard. I said it so.

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I don't wear gear of

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teams that I don't root for, but this team doesn't

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exist anymore, and it's one of the

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best most kick gas logos in the history

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of sports. I have the I busted it out. I

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have the Expos hat, the red, white and blue pinwheel

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one, which is what Oh yeah see, I'm not

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I I can't pull that one off. This one

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I can. I can do. Yeah. It just it caught me off

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guard. I'm not used to seeing you outside of like a Yankees

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I know. Yeah, I went. I went went to Xpos today

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because they're you know, alright, logo just

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just awesome. Yeah. I actually war one.

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I think it was like a Nationals

1:04

Giants game. Once and

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I was like, well, I don't like the Nationals or the Giants,

1:09

but I can wear an Expo's hat and it like sort of works

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exactly because they don't exist anymore exactly.

1:14

So, Uh, we have plenty to talk about. Of course,

1:16

we will sort of wrap up the twenty nineteen

1:18

season, um talk about some of the guys

1:20

who were at their best, some of the guys who work at their

1:23

best, and we'll try to figure out whether or not the guys

1:25

can repeat or get better next year. We're

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also kind of start to touch on the Playoff

1:29

Challenge for those of you who kind of want to do something

1:31

in the postseason. We do have the Playoff Challenge

1:33

here at NFL dot Com, a chance for you to kind of keep

1:36

going through the postseason. And I believe

1:38

it involves a chance to win Super Bowl tickets. If I'm not

1:40

mistakes, that's right. So there you go, chances

1:42

possibly go to the Super Bowl. Uh, if you get

1:44

it right, it

1:47

would be season

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February one. Uh.

1:52

It's a lot easier said than done to win this thing, But we'll

1:54

kind of touch on it a little bit. Maybe later in the week, we'll kind

1:56

of dive into some actual more strategy about

1:58

it though. But before we get into that, go

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behind the glass talk to our favorite producer, Sene're Edward

2:03

L. Murphy, a square back from the East Coast. Murphy's

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going on, Yeah, I guess it's it's good to good to

2:07

see your faces. Uh, what a wonderful

2:09

morning to come back and podcast. Yeah.

2:12

Yeah, news in

2:14

my world. Are you happy about it though? Yes?

2:17

Yeah. It's confusing though because obviously they

2:19

fired Pat Shermer, that's what we're talking about, and they

2:22

and then they say they're gonna retain Uh,

2:24

David Getleman as GM according to John

2:26

Marrick, so he wants him to be the GM twenty I

2:28

heard and make sure of you I am rich reports that he may be

2:30

an advisor. He may like step down tomorrow

2:32

because I believe using a press conference midday tomorrow,

2:35

but he is staying. So it's a it's a weird

2:37

thing where you fire the clich we keep the GM because

2:39

I feel like, you know, according to the media and a

2:41

lot of Giants fans, you feel like going to give out equal blame

2:44

to both. But it's a strange time.

2:46

But you know, hopefully they hire Matt Rule and have

2:48

the fourth pick in the draft and uh, seventy

2:50

around seventy million in cap space, and we'll see what happens

2:53

in there are. But there is reason

2:55

to be hopeful. Um, you know, it's not like

2:57

the cupboard is completely bare, and the Giants are gonna

2:59

have some good fantasy players. Man and Daniel

3:01

Jones, we talked about it. He will be like one

3:03

of the big sleepers, you

3:06

know, eclipsing a thousand yards only what he

3:08

played end up

3:10

in the RB one next season you watch,

3:12

I wouldn't be surprised, wouldn't

3:14

that be surprised? All right? Well, uh, in that

3:16

note, let's do some news.

3:31

Well, let's start with some of these head coaching moves.

3:33

As Eddie mentioned, Pat Schrmer has

3:35

been let go by the New

3:37

York Football Giants after

3:39

a couple of years that we're not great there in New

3:41

York. Shermer is now out, and there was

3:44

some speculation about whether or not the

3:46

team would move on from Dave Gettleman,

3:49

but they are not, at least for the time being. He

3:51

remains the man in charge of kind of

3:53

building the roster there in New

3:55

York. So we'll see how long that continues

3:57

or what they can do for next year. But that's not the

3:59

old head coaching move that

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we have to report. Yesterday

4:04

before the evening was that, in fact, even before the Sunday

4:07

night game finish, that's

4:10

wasted no time. In fact, you know, my

4:13

my dad is in town and we were sitting there watching the

4:15

Niners and the Seahawks, which was a great game

4:17

by the way. Um, but we're

4:19

sitting there and at some point he looks at his phone. He's like, hey,

4:21

Brown's fired their coach. He actually

4:23

knew before I did. But Freddie

4:26

Kitchens is out as the Browns

4:28

head coach. Um, we're

4:31

still waiting to see what the Cowboys

4:33

may be doing with Jason Garrett at

4:35

this point. Right there's supposedly a meeting with

4:37

the team and with the with the Joneses.

4:41

Um, yeah, it's I don't know.

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Uh. In fact, Ben Meyer, we'll

4:45

see a tweet from our own Jane Slater

4:48

this morning, says a team source tells

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me head coach Jason Garrett's contract expires

4:52

on January fourteenth, so it is possible

4:55

that we may not hear any word until

4:57

then. It would not be a firing, It would simply

4:59

be a decision to not renew. So basically

5:01

she's saying, Jerry Jones might just take a knee and let

5:03

the clout right and not make

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a movie. Yeah, yeah, that could be it. Uh.

5:08

Ian Rappaport our pal is saying that the

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Browns Uh, now we've heard

5:12

already Ron Rivera's name tied to

5:14

that job. Yes.

5:18

Uh. He's also mentioned Kevin Stefanski,

5:20

Josh McDaniels. You think McDaniels

5:23

gets out now because the ship is sinking,

5:25

that could potentially happen Greg Roman,

5:28

Uh, Dennis Allen, the Saints defensive coordinator.

5:31

Yeah. Yeah. The

5:34

the McDaniels name is interesting in the sense

5:37

of he had a chance to

5:39

go to Indianapolis where things are actually

5:41

set up well, right, they've got and

5:43

at that point, they've got pieces in place, and

5:45

had Andrew look right, and they had Andrew luck at that time,

5:47

right, And he backed out of this one.

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Why all of a sudden Cleveland

5:53

looks more interesting to him? I know he has ties

5:55

against to the Ohio area, to the Cleveland

5:57

area, um, and so potentially I

5:59

guess that some interest to him, But I don't

6:01

know why the Browns would

6:03

be a whole lot more exciting when he

6:06

felt like the Colts weren't the

6:08

place. But I don't know. But again, it could

6:10

also be that, you know, he saw

6:12

the Patriots in the middle of that

6:14

dynasty still and now the

6:16

wheels are falling off. Um,

6:18

which is you know, heart, he's got so many NFL

6:20

fans, so he's gonna pull the shoot. Huh. So

6:22

he could pull the shoot come

6:25

out of here. Um, it's been fun. So

6:27

okay, So we know, So here are the

6:29

the kid coaching openings. We've got We've got

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the Panthers. Uh, we've got

6:33

Washington. Why did they even play yesterday?

6:35

Because the schedule maker said, I mean that

6:38

that was that was nothing more than just

6:41

it was there was a chance to pad Christian

6:43

mccaffrell stats. We're talking

6:45

about that too a little bit. So we got

6:47

that, we got Washington, We've got we've

6:49

got the Giants right now, we've got the Browns.

6:53

Uh, anybody else I'm missing that. We're

6:55

waiting to see what happens with the Cowboys, but that potentially

6:58

could come open. Should happen, Um,

7:00

that should happen. Of those four

7:02

teams, which was

7:04

the most attractive, I mean, especially fantasy

7:06

wise, right offensively? What the Giants

7:08

the Browns potentially, well,

7:11

I mean it would be the Cowboys if if

7:13

the Cowboys, presuming

7:16

the Cowboys let Jason Garrett go um,

7:19

it would it would probably the number it would certainly.

7:21

And you know we've also seen lately,

7:25

I mean outside of like you know Denver Higher and Fangio

7:27

that like a lot of these teams are going with these young offensive

7:29

minds. So that could you know,

7:31

that's always good for fantasy too, because what

7:34

do we want? We want? We want points and

7:37

getting defensive minded UH

7:39

coaches into lead teams doesn't

7:42

necessarily equate to a lot of fantasy production.

7:44

But you get some of these these young guys

7:46

who have new ideas and they want to make their stamp

7:49

on the league on the offensive side, that

7:51

could be beneficial for fantasy fans

7:53

for sure. Um. Just as an

7:55

aside, after after

7:58

the Oklahoma Sooners got rolled,

8:00

how do you feel about Lincoln Riley potentially coming into

8:03

be that? I want to I

8:05

know you don't watch a lot of college room I don't watch,

8:07

but they got I mean they just got stormped

8:10

by l s U. Yeah, I don't know, whatever

8:12

I mean, in my heart of hearts, I want

8:15

it to be Jim Harbaugh. But I know

8:17

that's probably not going to happen. Probably

8:19

not, but well, he might get run out of Michigan. I

8:21

mean, I like, I like Urban

8:23

Meyer. Uh, you know, everywhere where he's

8:26

gone in college, he's done pretty well. And here's

8:28

the thing, And he's not like a

8:30

yes man either, he's not. And also you

8:32

can bring him to the NFL and you don't have

8:34

to worry about recruiting violations. Yeah,

8:37

none of that. You have to worry about that, those sort of

8:39

things. You know, these kind of n and violations

8:42

have sort of followed Urban Meyer

8:44

around. You don't have that in the NFL to

8:46

worry about that kind So we'll see. Um.

8:48

So, yeah, this is gonna be a thing we'll keep an eye on, obviously

8:50

over the next few days and weeks, as

8:52

teams make hires and as we see coordinators

8:56

kind of fall in here. I know facts you've done stuff in

8:58

the past where you you look at coordinators in

9:00

their offensive style sort of trying to translate

9:02

it to what it means fantasy. Why, So that's gonna

9:04

be a thing we will definitely keep an eye on as we go. Ah,

9:07

yeah, no doubt. I mean, like, and you know, I mentioned

9:09

Greg Roman, did that not just line

9:11

up perfectly for fantasy owners. A guy who

9:15

gets that job in Baltimore run

9:17

based system and they

9:20

go out and break records for rushing

9:22

and Lamar Jackson's the best player in fantasy

9:25

football aside Fromchristian McCaffrey and market Ingram

9:27

goes for double digit touchdowns

9:29

and is a very very valuable

9:31

fantasy asset. And this

9:34

is I mean Romans he coached co Kaepernick,

9:36

who was a very good fantasy quarterback under him, and

9:38

Tyrod Taylor as well. So those things, I

9:40

mean, look,

9:42

and I know Greg Roman probably wants the chance to be a head

9:44

coach. I wanted to stay in Baltimore, like

9:46

keep him with Lamar like let's Roman.

9:49

Roman was with the Niners. He was he was there

9:52

with during Kaepernick's best years and

9:54

that's when infact he was this Gore

9:56

was Gore was pretty decently. Was

9:59

still there. Mean, he was there for

10:01

for their Super Bowl run when they lost to the Ravens

10:03

in the Super Bowl. He was the offensive coordinator there and yeah,

10:05

Colin Kaepernick played some of his best football. Frank

10:07

Gore was certainly very productive at

10:09

that time. So yeah, I mean, we know he can make it work.

10:12

And that's why selfishly I would say, like just keep him in Baltimore,

10:14

Like we have a good thing going. Let's let's

10:16

not break up the band just yet. But um, you

10:18

know it's not my career that we're talking understandably.

10:22

Uh some other news headlines things that

10:25

wrapped up the season that we're interesting. Let's just start

10:27

here since we talked about Greg Roman and the Baltimore

10:29

Ravens. They break the single season team

10:31

rushing record. I

10:34

know people talk about running backs and whether or not

10:36

they matter and this and that, but um,

10:38

look, man mark Ingram was a star

10:41

this year. We know what Lamar Jackson

10:43

has done. But even in weeks seventeen

10:45

when they didn't have those guys, I mean, just as Hill

10:47

went out and had a very nice game and had

10:51

a nice game. So at least I

10:53

think for the foreseeable future, at least as long as

10:55

Greg Roman is there, we know where to go for running

10:57

back help for fantasy football. The Baltimore Ravens

10:59

a place to go, right the question. And you know, Angram,

11:02

I believe it's gonna end up being thirty to start

11:04

next season, So you don't know if he's gonna hit

11:06

that proverbial wall. But I mean he's

11:08

he's going to be in the RB two conversation once

11:11

again and assuming the girg room in his

11:13

back. But this is the time where

11:15

we look at these great performances by players

11:17

and you know, we we it's it's all praise

11:20

and and you know, Lamar Jackson was this and that's

11:22

gonna be very interesting to see what he does for

11:24

an encore because a lot of times the

11:26

encores are not as good as good.

11:29

Yeah. And by the way, Mike Boone, thanks

11:31

for nothing. I want to talk about running

11:33

the ball. Mike Boone, who everyone

11:35

in the fantasy industry was on last

11:37

week. If he did this last week, I win

11:40

two of the championships that I lost. Sorry,

11:44

what the hell was that? I mean talk

11:46

about running the ball? I mean I

11:48

had a mirrab Doula ranked like right next to Mike

11:51

Boone in week seventeen, because doing week

11:53

seventeen rankings is it is just an

11:56

awful, awful task. Um.

11:58

But Mike Boon, it

12:00

was day

12:03

a touchdown day when everybody

12:06

had kind of given up on him because most people were done.

12:08

But I tell you, the running back position, if you look

12:10

at the top scorers in week seventeen. This is why you

12:12

don't play in weeks. It's a reminder of why.

12:14

Boston Scott was second, Damian Williams

12:17

was third, Mike Boone was seventh.

12:20

DeAndre Washington, although a lot of us called

12:22

it was ninth, most there was eleventh.

12:24

I mean right, Quill Armstead was

12:26

four. Yeah, I mean, it just it

12:29

was. It was just a landscape of what's

12:32

going on. One guy who was great

12:34

all year long, Christian McCaffrey. He joins the

12:36

one thousand, one thousand club. We got a thousand

12:38

yards rushing, a thousand yards receiving. That seemed

12:40

to be the only thing that the Panthers had going

12:42

for now, so that so So Marshall

12:45

did it and Roger Craig. Those are the only two.

12:47

Those the only two who that have done it. So now Christian McCaffrey

12:49

is the third, and he's the contentest number

12:51

one over a pick next season, I think. So at

12:54

this point, it's got to be right, right. I mean, the

12:57

Panthers obviously are going to retool a little bit. We'll

12:59

see what happens at the quarterback position. We'll see

13:01

who their head coach is going to be, and offensive

13:03

coordinator next year. Um,

13:06

but Christian McCaffrey is

13:08

the offense for all intents and purposes. I mean,

13:10

you know, I know D J. Moore had a nice year. Um,

13:14

it looks like Greg Olsen maybe retiring this

13:16

this thing is going to continue to run through Christian McAffrey.

13:18

Now, so let's see, I'm looking at his touches. So he

13:20

had two seven carries. He had a hundred and

13:22

sixteen catches. I mean that's bananas utter.

13:25

I mean that that's just that's just sick.

13:28

That's sick. Good. So doing the math

13:30

or at three seven and so, I mean

13:32

over four hundred touches. Yeah,

13:34

Um, I mean you know

13:36

that hasn't been a good thing for a lot of a lot of running

13:39

back. That's not a good thing. I mean he's still obviously

13:41

he's still obviously early in his career.

13:44

He's very young. Um.

13:46

But also to a lot of it was catches like Larry

13:48

Johnson didn't cast nearly as many passes and the guy

13:50

like Christian McCaffrey did. So you know, Larry

13:52

Johnson was getting more of his burn as you know,

13:55

carrying the ball, taking the punishment right,

13:57

whereas McCaffrey's catching far more balls out of

13:59

the backfield, So I mean he's got to be you know, and

14:01

and our our pal Bob Harris, who we love here.

14:03

You know, he always says, don't draft last

14:05

year's best team. McCaffrey

14:08

probably won't finish number one in back to back

14:10

years. So it's real

14:12

hard to overlook four hundred

14:14

and seventy. I am,

14:16

I am going, I'm looking right now at

14:19

the other two guys who won A thousand and a thousand

14:21

and seeing what they did the following year, right, So yeah,

14:23

Roger Craig one

14:26

thousand, fifty rushing yards, one thousand, sixteen

14:29

receiving yards, sixty six

14:31

in terms of scrimmage yards, also

14:33

fifteen total touchdowns. The next

14:35

year, the rushing yards came down

14:37

to eight hundred and thirty, the receiving

14:39

yards came down to six hundred and twenty

14:42

four, and he had seven total touches.

14:44

So he had so about fourteen hundred and

14:46

fifty games he did

14:48

not he did not He played sixteen,

14:51

So he fell off about six

14:53

hundred scrimmage yards and the touchdown number

14:56

fell in half from fifteen to seven.

14:58

Now Marshall fall talk um

15:01

in nineteen nine twenty

15:03

four hundred scrimma nine

15:06

thirteen almost fourteen hundred rushing yards,

15:08

which is amazing unto itself. Uh,

15:10

and then a thousand, forty eight receiving

15:13

yards and twelve

15:15

touchdowns the next year,

15:18

So this is guctually kind of interesting. Um.

15:21

The next year he had thirteen hundred and fifty nine

15:23

rushing yards, so his rushing totals

15:25

really didn't fall off all that much. He

15:27

was receiving yards eight hundred and thirty,

15:30

so down about two hundred approximately,

15:33

it's still very very good. His touchdowns

15:35

went way up. So

15:38

the year he won A thousand and a thousand and ninety nine,

15:40

he had twelve total touchdowns. The next year he had twenty

15:42

six totalisdowns.

15:45

Well, I mean, you know, Marsha was a different kind of guy.

15:47

He's a different kind of guy. And in the rams at

15:49

that the greatest show on turf. I mean, was a

15:51

machine that was just rolling. And also

15:53

yeah, I mean, I mean, between

15:56

Marshall and Ladinian, those are the two best

15:58

running backs in fantasy football history.

16:00

Yeah, um so, and so I

16:03

mean honestly that that two thousand

16:05

season might have been

16:07

his best overall year. Um,

16:10

the twenty touchdowns was a career high.

16:12

He had almost twenty two hundred scrimmage yards.

16:15

Uh So I'm not saying McCaffrey won't be

16:17

great, because he will be. But again, it's

16:19

like, it's it's the thing with and

16:21

I'll give you the example of my homes and why

16:24

you know I said, and you said, he's

16:26

not worth the first round pick. He's not where the second round pick. He's not

16:28

wearing a third round pick. Uh. If if he's in there

16:30

in the fourth round, I'm gonna think about it. My

16:33

Homes had twenty six touchdown passes this season, have

16:35

fifty last season. Like,

16:38

and I say it every year, and it happens every time. The

16:40

magical season is something you have to watch for. So

16:43

it's not it's not something

16:45

you can typically replicate. So next year,

16:47

did he come back with like forty somewhere

16:50

in the middle, somewhere in between twenty six and fifty

16:53

so like and

16:56

again it's it's a new season. He's coming off a year where

16:58

he had over four and it touches. I mean it so

17:00

um So, now I pulled

17:03

up the Craig and Falks stats to see I mean, obviously

17:05

there's only the two other guys that have done it, so there's nothing we

17:07

can really yeah, exactly the lean from

17:09

it. I was just sort of curious, what you know, I

17:11

love the stuff. I was just curious,

17:14

and like, you know, one guy got slightly

17:16

worse, one guy got a little bit better. So there's

17:18

really nothing. There's really nothing to take away from it. Back to

17:20

the third good thing is that McCaffrey's a young back, and

17:23

but we also have to see what Carolina does with their quarterback

17:25

position. We have to see what they do, uh with

17:27

their head coach. It's funny too, because

17:29

I remember when McCaffrey was drafted and a lot

17:31

of people were like, this guy

17:34

can't beet featured back.

17:36

I mean, he ran power at at Stanford,

17:38

so like, I don't know what people overlooked

17:41

there, but god darn it, he

17:43

is just unbelievable. As somebody who watched

17:45

him run over USC for years, I knew he could

17:47

run USC play already their ball game. We

17:50

don't want to talk about Okay, we don't want to talk about

17:52

it.

17:54

It was not pretty. We'll leave it. We'll leave it at that, all

17:56

right, last

17:59

bit of news here, and this one just sort of it's

18:02

I don't even know what to say about it. Jamis Winston made

18:06

history on Sunday as

18:08

the first quarterback to throw

18:10

for five thousand yards with

18:13

thirty touchdowns and thirty interceptions,

18:16

and he got You couldn't have

18:18

scripted him getting to thirty interceptions better

18:20

than what happened. I mean, like it pick

18:22

six in overtime to lose the game

18:25

and end the season. Um,

18:28

I mean, I mean it's

18:30

so Jamis it is. It was perfectly

18:33

Jamis. That's all I can say that

18:36

I will not draft him next season.

18:38

Um, he got me to two championships

18:41

and then he cost me both

18:43

of them because he was so bad.

18:46

Uh in that in that game against Houston

18:48

with the four interceptions, I can see

18:51

myself draft him again. I can

18:53

see myself people looking myself into

18:55

people lost years off their life

18:58

with him this season. I mean watching Jamis

19:01

Is it is a Malox moment. Gosh,

19:04

he's the quarterback five. Loos doesn't even make

19:06

anything strong enough. He's the QB five.

19:09

He is sort of the the

19:11

reason that I have been advocating that we've

19:13

got to do something about the interception numbers

19:16

in fantasy, Like they've got to be more punitive

19:18

because you you throw thirty

19:20

interceptions and you're still the QB five.

19:22

Like, yeah, five thousand yards.

19:25

Yeah, Like, I mean I get that,

19:27

but right, we we we we should

19:29

be rewarding points for players

19:31

when they're good. But they're good, right, I

19:34

mean, yeah, he did have games spectacle,

19:36

yes, but I mean so, But here's the I can talk

19:38

myself into drafting him, but I also will

19:40

have to absolutely draft a second

19:43

quarterback because there's

19:45

no way I can run Jamis Winston

19:47

out each and every week and

19:50

expect that I'm going to be consistently

19:53

successful because for every week

19:55

that he gives you twenty five or thirty points,

19:57

he's gonna come back with like a ten, right,

19:59

And that that's the thing you have to deal with when

20:01

you have Jamis Winston. Yeah,

20:04

I do. Do you think the Bucks move on from him?

20:07

I mean, that's a good

20:09

question, because you

20:12

can't. You can't win with

20:14

that quarterback. You can't win. You

20:17

can't win. No, you're not going to the playoffs

20:19

and competing for a super Bowl. And and if the

20:22

if the goal of NFL teams is to get to the championship,

20:24

you can't get there with Jamis Winston because turnovers

20:26

kill you there's no way

20:29

that Jamis Winston will lead the Tampa

20:31

Buck Buccaneers even to an NFC Conference

20:34

championship. Birth, Like, it's not gonna happen.

20:37

They just you can't do it. Turn on the ball over

20:39

that much. So I don't know. I

20:41

mean, we'll see what happens. You know, Cam Newton's gonna

20:43

be out there, Yeah, potentially be

20:46

out there. Andy Dalton will be hanging around

20:48

out there for whatever that's word. Hey, look man, Andy Dalton

20:50

help help the Bengals the last couple of weeks of

20:52

the season. So Joe Mixon

20:55

get after that performance, like,

20:57

I mean to see a second round pick next season. Yeah,

20:59

I think he'll back to being a second because he was the second round

21:01

pick this year, and I think midway through the season people

21:03

were regretting that. Um

21:06

then back half of the year you're like, oh, yeah, this

21:08

is why I made the guy's second round pick. So

21:10

I think I think he will fall right back into that slot

21:13

next year. All right, there, you know that's pretty

21:15

much everything you need to know. All

21:29

right, let's look at some of the best and worst from

21:32

nineteen and we will ask whether or not some of these guys

21:34

can repeat or something.

21:37

That's who were bad, whether or not they can get better. Some

21:39

of the bad ones are gonna be fairly obvious here.

21:41

Uh, the top three quarterbacks when

21:43

it's all said and done for twenty

21:46

nineteen, I mean, not a big surprise here.

21:48

Lamar Jackson actually finishes

21:50

as number one. Uh, Dak

21:52

Prescott finishes as the number two. Ques isn't that insane?

21:55

Right? And and Russell Wilson slides

21:57

in at number three. Deshaun Watson kind

21:59

of fell out of there because he didn't play even

22:01

Russell too because he was so bad,

22:03

like I mean, based on his previous

22:06

standards down the stretch here, right. So, um,

22:09

but I don't have Dock in my top five

22:11

quarterbacks for next season. Maybe that's what that was. That's what

22:13

I was gonna ask, Right, It's like, you know, Dak Prescott,

22:15

I don't. I wouldn't say this was a magical season

22:18

for Dak, but he had a very

22:20

good year. He threw the football a lot

22:22

um. Obviously things are going to change

22:25

in Dallas next year. I mean,

22:27

okay, I think everybody's gonna have Lamar

22:30

Jackson pegg as a top three quarterback next

22:32

year. Right, Um, I

22:34

I can see Russell Wilson kind of hanging around

22:36

that top five because that's what he does. I

22:38

mean, was this was this a one offer deck? Or

22:40

is he legitimately a top three fantasy quarterback?

22:42

I don't think he's top three. I mean again,

22:45

it's like I have the fifth spot, Right, is

22:47

going to go down to what

22:50

your preferences from Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott,

22:52

Josh Allen, and Kyler Murray. Right, it's gonna

22:54

be those guys, and those guys are all gonna be in the top

22:56

top eight. Let's put it that way. But

22:59

what we want from our players is consistency.

23:02

Um does a Week seventeen

23:05

game against the Redskins even mean anything in fantasy?

23:07

I mean because we were not playing. But his previous

23:09

three games he was held under eighteen

23:11

Fantasy points. Uh he was Again,

23:14

that was another player who in Week sixteen killed me in

23:16

one of my championships, he only gave me eleven Uh.

23:19

In against New England he only had six point eight points.

23:21

So he's had big games, but

23:23

there have been times where doc Is also killed you.

23:26

So but again, there there can be only one Lamar

23:28

Jackson. I guess at least this season a guy who

23:30

just every week was was pumping out twenty

23:32

thirty pointers, um for your fantasy

23:34

team. But he's borderline top

23:36

five, Dock, he's borderline top five all right.

23:38

Um, So I'm I

23:40

feel like there may be a new name that slides in here,

23:43

right and then at least into the top five. Um.

23:45

I'm just I'm looking right now, right Like, so, Josh

23:47

Allen was six, Kyler Murray was

23:49

eight. Um, I

23:51

feel like those are two legitimate candidates

23:54

to possibly slide into being top five quarter no,

23:56

no, no doubt, no doubt, yeah, no doubt. And

23:58

and we're starting to see the young guy is now

24:00

like Tom Brady is not going to get drafted

24:02

next year, Aaron Rodgins is probably gonna end up getting picked

24:04

outside of the top one hunter for the first time. Probably

24:07

Farv was playing in Green Bay, right, Um,

24:10

I mean, Drew Brees had a fantastic finish to

24:13

the season. I don't know if he's he's probably at the end of

24:15

the top ten. I haven't done those rankings yet at this point.

24:17

But Kyler young guy. You

24:19

know, Dac is still very young. Josh Allen's

24:21

a young guy. And Lamar Jackson

24:23

obviously, you know coming off of his second season,

24:26

which was brilliant. So Deshaun

24:28

Watson is also a young dude too, So I mean and

24:30

and you're also seeing the trend

24:32

of like, you know, a lot of these guys can run with the football.

24:34

I mean made yards and seven touchdowns.

24:37

Dac had three rushing touchdowns. Uh, DeShawn

24:39

had seven rushing touchdowns, Allen had nine. You

24:41

almost high had four. You almost have to be

24:44

just because of how fast

24:46

pass rushers are now, right, Like You've

24:48

got these these defensive ends that are

24:51

just so watching that that Seahawks Niners

24:53

game last night, I mean just kept remarking

24:55

on how many times Nick

24:57

Bosa was chasing down Russell Wilson. Um.

25:00

And that speaks a lot to the athleticism

25:03

of a lot of these guys on the defensive line. It's nothing

25:05

new, but I think it's more pronounced now. And I think

25:07

it's hard to be a quarterback who just stands

25:10

at the post, it stands in the pocket and expects

25:12

to be successful. Um, it's

25:14

on the flip side. Baker Mayfield, oh boy,

25:17

I mean he was the biggest quarterback bust.

25:19

He was. He was projected to be

25:21

a top five quarterback coming into

25:23

the season. Um, he finishes

25:26

as the q B twenty had

25:28

to you know, a few decent

25:31

games in the last two months of the season. Um,

25:33

you know, yesterday ends up with twenty

25:35

points. Even though he threw three interceptions against

25:37

the Bengals, He's still finished with twenty points.

25:40

Um, Obviously there's going to be a

25:42

major overhaul in Cleveland.

25:46

He's okay. Does he get drafted

25:48

next year? In a lot of fans, I think he does. I think

25:50

he'll be. He'll be a QB two. Um,

25:52

he'll get drafted late. I mean he's

25:54

gonna be. He's gonna be sort of in that

25:56

same area with I

25:59

mean, I hate to say

26:01

it, but it's gonna be. He's gonna

26:03

be drafted in the in the same area as like, you know,

26:05

the Carson Wentz is of the world

26:07

and the Kirk Cousins is of the world, and

26:10

um, Aaron Rodgers will go ahead

26:12

of him. But Aaron Rodgers, I mean, he wouldn't

26:14

know that good this season either. So, uh, he's

26:17

gonna end up being a late round pick. But it also depends

26:19

on your strategy to if you get an elite quarterback, maybe you're

26:21

not gonna draft a second one and

26:23

again, you know, what's the situation

26:25

gonna be, uh this is this is now his third

26:28

head coach. Yeah, he's gonna have this third

26:30

head coach. Uh in and

26:32

three years. So I don't know, maybe

26:34

Colin cowarder is right, Yeah, I mean

26:36

who know, right, I mean I mean right, I mean,

26:38

like Colin Coward, I don't know if he was rooting

26:41

against Baker, But I'll tell you one thing. It as

26:43

bad as Baker was, Coward is probably

26:46

you know he had Yeah, he had an s eaton

26:48

grin on his face. Like I look at him, and I

26:50

look at Baker and I say, look, obviously his

26:52

career is just starting, right, I mean this was a year

26:54

two and so there's still

26:56

there's still time. But man,

26:59

they were just moment. It's when it just looked so bad.

27:01

Yeah, I mean the offensive line was bad too. That didn't

27:03

help him. So maybe they need to, you know, potentially make

27:05

some upgrades there. But that's

27:09

gonna be a hard That's gonna be a hard

27:11

team to project because of

27:14

the names and the potential. But

27:16

then you look back at the failures and if

27:19

Kareem Hunt, I don't know that Kareem Hunt is

27:21

under contract next season. I looked that up.

27:23

I'm not sure. I'd also want to

27:25

take a look at this. Uh and

27:28

and I'll probably do this in in my hundred

27:30

and fifty fantasy facts from from He

27:33

was not nearly as reliable

27:35

once Hunt came back to suspension,

27:38

because it was not another

27:40

guy who cost me a championship. Part of it was that

27:42

before Hunt came back, Chubb

27:45

had a pretty significant role in the passing

27:47

game. He caught a number of passes. Once Kareem

27:49

Hunt came back, then that went away.

27:51

And yes, Kareem Hunt will be a free agent. He will be

27:53

a restricted free agent. Uh,

27:55

you know whenever free agency opened. So, I mean,

27:58

let's look at the numbers. You know that Nick Chubb

28:00

put up. I mean Kareem Hunt came back in Week

28:02

ten against Buffalo. So after

28:05

that, so Week ten, Chubb at

28:07

fourteen, Then he had nine, Then he had twenty five at

28:09

the big game against the Miami Dolphins. Then he had

28:11

eight, twelve against Arizona,

28:14

four and five. So he

28:16

was lousy more often

28:18

than he was great when Kareem Hunt

28:20

came back. Yeah, even though he'll

28:23

end up second in the rushing title, I'm

28:25

so happy for Derrick Henry. What

28:28

did the Titans not see? And like me

28:30

here when they like weren't giving him

28:32

the football, what did they not see? Yeah? Who

28:35

know that dude is you can't

28:37

That's that's like freaking tackle in a locomotive.

28:39

I mean I was just on thever forget when

28:41

he came through the office and

28:44

and I just just marveled at how big he

28:46

was. The guy had eighteen touchdowns, rushed

28:48

for over fifteen hundred yards, and

28:52

you ended up being, you know, one of the you

28:54

know, one of the five best running backs in fantasy

28:56

football, and he's gonna be a top five pick next season. But

28:59

but but in his can hear the titanest us

29:02

because they had gone out and they had spent a lot to bring in Dion

29:04

Lewis, and I felt like he was going to be the guy,

29:06

and they, I know, they wanted to try to do a thunder

29:08

and lightning sort of thing, especially after what

29:10

Lewis had done in New England. Um,

29:13

it just wasn't the same. It just didn't work out.

29:16

Uh, all right, so running backs the

29:18

top three at the running

29:20

back position, no one's going to be surprised

29:22

to hear that Christian McCaffrey was number one. Uh,

29:25

Aaron Jones was number two. Ezekiel

29:27

Elliott slides in there and just overtakes

29:30

Austin Ekeler for the third

29:32

spot. Um,

29:35

maybe I'll extend this because because Ekeler, I think it is an

29:37

interesting thing to talk about, the interesting guy

29:39

to talk about. Uh. With this season,

29:41

I mean, you know what I want to find out, Marcus two started to cut you. I

29:43

wonder, I wonder if that's the fewest rushing

29:46

yards are running back who finished in the top five has

29:48

ever had.

29:52

I'm gonna look that up. I'll be in my that would be

29:54

in my one, I would I would have to think

29:57

so, because I mean only

29:59

recently has PPR become widespread

30:01

enough for this to be a thing. For

30:03

a while, PPR is kind of a niche, a

30:05

niche format, but now it is sort of

30:08

it's widespread. And yeah,

30:10

I mean before if you had five and fifty

30:12

seven rushing yards, you were nowhere near the top

30:15

five. It just wasn't gonna happen. Um

30:17

McCaffrey obviously everybody's got him pegged. It's a

30:19

top three guy next year. I think, Zeke if

30:22

you told if you went to somebody and saying, I think

30:24

Zeke's gonna be a top three running back next year. Nobody

30:27

is gonna look at you sideways. Um,

30:30

Karen Jones. I think it's sort of an interesting case

30:32

because touchdowns, touchdowns,

30:34

right, nineteen total touchdowns

30:37

this year. That's a really hard

30:40

number to duplicate. The rushing yards were fine,

30:42

just over just just short of eleven hundred.

30:44

The receiving yards were fine, just under five

30:47

hundred. They weren't. Those

30:49

numbers don't blow you away. It's the nineteen touchdowns

30:52

that for me makes it hard to imagine him

30:55

as a top three,

30:57

top five back next year. And also

31:00

Neckler similarly, like the rushing numbers weren't there, but

31:02

maybe with Melvin Gordon out of the way, those

31:04

numbers go up a little bit. Oh you would think

31:06

so yeah, no, no question. I mean obviously they

31:08

have to bring somebody somebody in there too. I

31:10

don't know that you would have like a one in

31:12

one a like you have with Gordon and Neckler. But

31:15

I mean he proved before Gordon came back

31:17

that he could he could be a feature back, that he can get

31:19

the job done. The Charges are a team that could

31:22

end up making significant changes because

31:24

Philip Rivers is no locked to be their quarterback season

31:26

and Melon Gordon is clearly not going

31:28

to be back unless there is a huge just

31:31

changing of opinions on him, because that's

31:33

exactly you know why he held out, because

31:36

they weren't going to pay him, and that's ultimately

31:38

what he's gonna want is to get to get paid. So

31:41

the cool thing is that if you think about it, with

31:44

the with the number of openings

31:46

in backfields across the NFL right

31:48

now, with the kids coming in

31:52

draft and Gordon on the move

31:54

expected to be a featured back, which opens up a

31:56

feature job for Heckler and David

31:59

Johnson, but eventually ending up maybe Tampa Bay.

32:02

Right, So Kenyan Drake would be a feature back

32:04

in Arizona, you'd have featured back in in Tampa

32:06

Bay and David Johnson. It

32:08

could make the running back position a lot

32:11

of fun next season, a

32:13

lot of fun. So you mentioned David

32:15

Johnson, right. Obviously this year was pretty

32:17

awful for him. I mean, he got hurt for

32:19

a couple of weeks, but then just for a long stretch

32:21

of the season he was just

32:24

irrelevant there in in Arizona. I'm

32:26

not expecting him to suddenly jump back and be

32:28

a top five guy, even if he goes to Tampa

32:30

Bay and becomes a workhorse there. But can

32:33

we see him possibly being

32:36

a a fringe RB one, a solid

32:39

RB two next year at least have some value

32:41

Again, you're talking about Gordon. Uh damn David

32:43

Johnson. David Johnson all sorry, um, dude,

32:46

if he goes to Tampa Bay, I could

32:48

see him being the top fifteen back. I mean

32:50

I said it on TV. He

32:53

had his best seasons with Bruce Arians

32:55

in Arizona, and it's

32:57

not like he's had a lot of work the last couple of seasons.

33:00

Think talent is unquestionable, durability

33:03

is an issue, and if

33:05

he goes to Area, I mean, hell, Arians just

33:07

made Jameis Winston the top five six

33:10

quarterback thirty interceptions. He's

33:13

I mean, he's a guy who who pumps out

33:15

you know, productive fantasy players. He's

33:18

done it his whole career, whether he has been a head coach

33:20

or in o C. So I could totally see David

33:22

Johnson being the top fifteen back. Doesn't mean I'm gonna draft

33:24

him in the top forty, right, But it

33:26

depends on where he ends up because Arizona

33:28

is certainly not going to be his home, uh

33:31

in at least you

33:33

wouldn't think so based on the lack of usage

33:36

in the second half of the season. He's not a

33:38

terribly old guy, right, he just turned eighty,

33:41

and it's not like he's got a lot of wear and tear.

33:43

He had like he had, you know, the one huge year

33:46

where he had a ton of work. He has two

33:48

seasons. So here

33:50

here his touch totals for his career, right, and

33:54

that that year he was mostly a special teams guy

33:56

for Arizona. Teen was his huge

33:59

year. He had three hundred and seventy three touches.

34:01

That's when he went over the twenty

34:03

touchdowns. Seen he gets hurt in

34:05

the first game, has just seventeen touches

34:07

for the year, mrs. The entire season teen

34:09

he comes back three and eight touches.

34:12

Not a bad year. I mean the hundred

34:15

total yards, ten touchdowns, I mean it was okay

34:17

um and then this year a hundred

34:19

and thirty touches. So he's only had two

34:22

seasons where he's had three

34:24

hundred touches. It's just not a not

34:26

a lot of work for him. So he just has to stay

34:28

healthy and get exactly and that and that is

34:30

you know, that's sort of like the downfalls, like he needs

34:33

to stay healthy. But you didn't mention Melvin Gordon. And

34:35

and look obviously he had the holdout which

34:38

which cost him with the first four games of the season

34:40

something like that. Um, he got kind of banged

34:42

up a little bit, still finishes

34:45

as the running back. Twenty three runs hard,

34:47

can be productive, can find the end zone.

34:50

I keep saying, I would love to see him go to like Houston.

34:53

Seriously, No, I'm right there with dude.

34:55

I'm right here with you. They don't have they don't have a running

34:58

back they're investing in right now. So and

35:01

looking at looking at Gordon's Gordon's

35:03

numbers, he was averaging fifteen

35:05

Fantasy points per game. I mean, not

35:09

great, No, but you'll take it as an RB

35:11

two. And also keep in mind that

35:13

he was sharing some of that work with Austin

35:15

Ekeler Gordon in a featured

35:18

role. Could he end up being a second round pick

35:20

next season? Yeah, absolutely, he's not. He's not

35:22

an old dude. No, I mean,

35:25

and I would think that if if the Texans

35:27

were to do this and and obviously this is a big if

35:29

we don't know anything. But do

35:32

they do they move on from the combination

35:35

of Carlos Hide and Duke Johnson because

35:37

both those guys seemed like sort of fill ins. I mean,

35:39

they were guys that you they

35:42

added them because they had to. Lamar Miller gets

35:44

hurt. Uh and Millar, by the way, is a

35:46

free agent. He will be a free agent coming up this year.

35:48

So I can see them like

35:50

sort of moving on from one or both of

35:52

those guys Johnson and and Hide.

35:55

It's sort of giving the backfield to mel

35:58

and Gordon, which would be just fine, be

36:00

fine. I mean, heck, Carlos

36:03

Hyde had he had a good season, Like

36:05

I mean, it wasn't great, but like people

36:08

in especially in the industry, were like Carlos

36:10

Hide his garbage's kind of like he's terrible.

36:13

And Carlos had ended up having a decent season,

36:15

like I mean, like he wasn't you know, he didn't have the

36:17

same kind of season he had in San Francisco

36:20

when he was a top ten fantasy running back. But

36:23

he was, he was, he was the running

36:25

back thirty based on points. But

36:28

I mean he helped you at times.

36:30

He rushed for a thousand yards for

36:33

his first ever career thousand yards season, So

36:35

I mean it could have been that bad. He

36:38

certainly had some games where he really helped you. This season.

36:40

He wasn't reliable, but that was kind

36:42

of the thing. Put Melvin Gordon in that spot. Melvin

36:46

Gordon rushed, which

36:49

would that helps and not

36:51

that you know, Deshaun Watson is bad. He's

36:54

been inconsistent. But man, you get

36:56

DeShawn Watson, you get New Copkins, you get

36:58

Melvin Gordon on one offense. Yeah,

37:00

that's that's pretty pretty good. Um.

37:05

I'm trying to look at any guys, any guys that

37:07

are outside of the top five. I mean, Dalvin Cook

37:09

finishes at six, he stays healthy, he

37:11

can be a top five guy, I think

37:13

easily. Um. Leonard four Net, I

37:15

thought was an interesting case. Seventy six receptions

37:18

this year. You have three

37:20

touchdowns and that's what kept him I think out of the top which

37:22

is weird too because you didn't go into

37:24

the year expecting the catches, but you did go

37:26

in expecting touchdowns, right right,

37:29

you got the opposite um and

37:31

then Alvin Kamara, who

37:34

it didn't help a lot of people, but

37:37

the last two he scored four touchdowns in his last

37:39

two games and his first in his first

37:41

four um

37:44

in one game. I still, I still

37:46

contend that Alvin Kamara is gonna

37:48

slip to like the late second

37:51

round next year and late

37:53

second. I'm just looking. I

37:56

only say. I only say that based on my super

37:59

science if it can never be wrong. On Twitter poll that

38:01

I put out there and there, and

38:04

the responses I got back were I mean,

38:06

I got a lot of you know, when did you posted that? Did

38:08

you post it like in a week when

38:11

people had lost because of it? Might

38:13

have post did it during the week sixteen games?

38:15

Right? And it's after we talked about it on the podcast,

38:17

like a week or so ago. I posted it, and

38:20

I got a lot of understandably frustrated

38:22

and angry responses back. I mean, people were like, I

38:24

won't touch him before the third I won't touch him before

38:26

the fifth. Some people said they wouldn't touch him before the fifth

38:29

round, which is insane to me.

38:31

People are over like living

38:34

in the moment, like completely, and

38:36

so maybe that's what where I say like late second

38:38

and it may be early second, but I think

38:40

he's gonna end up being a draft steal next year.

38:43

I can't. I don't think there'll be a draft where

38:45

he doesn't get picked in the first round that I'm gonna

38:47

participate in May. I mean, maybe that's the case,

38:49

Like I know that never the first round.

38:52

We're saying this on December thirty, right,

38:55

so you know, seven months from

38:57

now, at the end of July, Uh,

38:59

it may may well be a different story. People

39:01

are just people are hurt right now. People are frustrated,

39:03

and they're just sort of lashing out. By the way, he had thirteen

39:05

passing yards. That has nothing to do with anything. I just saw

39:08

that. That was interesting. Um

39:11

So I think he could easily he could contend to be your

39:13

top five. You know, who

39:15

was hurt for a little while is going to be that. If

39:17

McCaffrey is the consensus one, say,

39:20

Kwan will be the consensus to Yeah,

39:23

I mean he did s Kuan was just not

39:25

right. He wasn't for man. I

39:27

mean, the ankle, like you don't get back from a high

39:29

ankle sprain as quickly as he did.

39:32

His final three games. He had thirty points, forty

39:35

three points. He mean, he he

39:37

won. He won championships. For people who are

39:39

able to sort of you know, you could navigate,

39:42

get through the storm of him being unreliable.

39:44

There you got him to the championship

39:47

and boom, home run you knocked

39:49

it out. So all right, Uh, wide

39:51

receivers the top three,

39:53

no shock, Michael Thomas, Chris

39:56

Godwin, who even know, missing the last couple

39:58

of games with an injury, finished at number two. Who wheel Jones

40:00

sneaks in with a hot finish, with

40:03

a hot finish and gets the number three. And

40:05

so I think this is sort of interesting, right because one

40:08

starr with Michael Thomas obviously

40:10

gonna be the first receiver off the board. How

40:12

high does he go? Is he a top three pick next

40:15

year? You know me? I mean I know you, but

40:17

like i'd say, I'd say, i'd say

40:19

five or six, like you're gonna

40:21

get You're gonna get into like do

40:23

I draft Derrick Henry or Michael Thomas. And

40:25

then that's going to be you know, sort of where

40:27

he'll go in drafts, depending on

40:30

what people think of him and his

40:32

his uh you know, perspectives

40:34

for for the upcoming season. Um,

40:38

he's gonna end up being top eight across

40:40

the board. He will be next

40:43

season's you know New Copkins where New Copkins

40:45

was like, oh, he's the only wide receiver

40:47

with the first round pick. Now, it's gonna be Michael

40:50

Thomas's absolutely, I mean I could see him being a

40:52

top five pick. But again, magical

40:54

season. I mean, like so like he had a hundred

40:56

forty nine catches that broke a record, and

41:00

you know the saint that I have anybody else outside of

41:02

Jared Cook that was that was a reliable option

41:04

for for Drew Brees there. Um,

41:06

and imagine if they brought in Antonio Brown, well

41:08

that would be that would be

41:10

an issue. I'm curious what they do at

41:13

wide receiver in the off season, like if they

41:15

you know, if they going free agency, if they try to drap

41:17

somebody, because they do as great as Michael

41:19

Thomas is, they've they've got to get some help.

41:21

They got something else, yeah, I mean, and and they made

41:23

some moves you know over the last couple of years

41:25

that didn't really work out for him. Um,

41:28

and they're still looking for that number two yeah.

41:31

So um. And so the other part,

41:33

right Julio Jones is

41:36

every year he's you know, he's hanging around that top

41:39

five. He's maybe a top three guy. And

41:41

you want to talk about guys who are are sort of roller

41:43

coasters, right. I mean, he's a guy who will

41:45

have the huge blow up game and they'll

41:48

have some games that are just sort of men. Yeah,

41:50

he had a Julio season. A lot of yards, not a lot of

41:52

touch not a lot of touchdowns. Um,

41:54

I mean he would go along he went. But he

41:57

scored touchdowns in his first three games, had one week

41:59

one, two two in week two, one in week three,

42:01

and then he only had one game where he scored

42:03

the rest. Didn't score another touchdown until Week fifteen,

42:06

when he had two against the forty niners and

42:08

that was it. Um.

42:11

I I don't know how to value

42:13

Julio Jones because the catch of the targets will

42:15

be there, the catches will be there, the yards will be there.

42:18

You just have to sort of manage. I think

42:20

he's another He's a guy where and

42:23

I know Graham talks a lot about roster management

42:26

and draft strategy and that sort of thing. I

42:28

feel like Julio Jones is that guy where you draft

42:30

him if you're taking him stay in the second round.

42:33

You follow that up with, say

42:35

a you maybe a Cooper Cup in the next round,

42:37

because you know Cooper Cup is gonna be more consistent.

42:40

He's gonna have maybe a safer floor week to week. So

42:42

that way when Julio has

42:44

those you know, not so great weeks, you have somebody

42:46

else to sort of balance that. Yeah, I mean Julio

42:48

is gonna be in that and that whole second

42:51

round sort of a log jam of

42:53

wide receivers that we see all the time, like Davante

42:55

Adams might might end up going end of the first

42:57

round and a twelve teamer. But you know, you're gonna

43:00

see Godwin's going to go

43:02

in the second round, and you're gonna see Julio

43:04

probably in the second round. Mike Evans will be in the second

43:06

round, knew probably end of the first beginning

43:08

of the second round. There's gonna be that log jam

43:11

there of players the position. I

43:13

think Kenny Galladay could push himself into

43:15

maybe the end of the second round, the beginning of the third round.

43:18

Tyreek Hill will be a second round pick as

43:20

well, so he's in there.

43:22

You're not getting any younger, but he's still putting

43:24

up numbers. Right, Godwin goes ahead of Evans

43:26

next to you, Right, I feel like that's yeah,

43:29

that's gonna be the consensus. Godwin goes first,

43:31

w I would think, So, I think I mean they were wicked

43:33

tight. I mean, like Godwin, Well, Godwin averaged

43:37

seven uh and Evans average

43:39

seventeen nine, so it

43:41

was close. But um, I'd say Godwan

43:43

goes before him. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think both.

43:46

And he had

43:47

thirty three yards and nine touchdowns and

43:49

missed you know games at the end of the season. So

43:52

I mean Evans was tremendous as

43:54

well, but I think Godwin will go ahead of him. Yeah.

43:56

All right, let's finish up with the tight ends here, uh

43:59

there top three, Travis

44:01

Kelsey, number one, George Kittle number two,

44:03

Darren Waller uh fall

44:06

as number He would end up being the best tight

44:08

end value in fantasy football easily, easily

44:11

because I'm sure he didn't get drafted in a lot

44:13

of leagues, and if he did get drafted, it

44:16

was super late, um like end of

44:18

draft sort of thing. So he's easily the

44:20

best best value at

44:22

tight end. Zach Ertz finishes at

44:25

number four. Um Ark

44:27

Andrews so we all like the managers at five.

44:30

I mean I feel like, you know, if he if he plays

44:33

weeks seventeen, he probably gets that that third

44:35

spot. Whatever. Um, right,

44:38

So next year, how

44:41

do we feel about Darren Waller? Next year? I I was

44:43

talking to I would play? Is he gonna play for the Raiders?

44:45

Well, here's the thing, so I was. I was

44:47

on UM. I was on the Football die Hard

44:49

Show with our pal Bob Harris and Mike dem

44:52

C, two great guys, and they were asking

44:54

me what I thought about the tight ends next year and if I would

44:56

rank my top three and I had his my top three. I

44:58

had in order Kiddle number one,

45:00

Kelsey number two, Earth's number three,

45:02

And they asked me about Waller and

45:04

Andrew's going four five, and how would I rank

45:06

them. My thought at

45:09

the time was I would put Andrews

45:11

ahead of Waller just because

45:14

I know who Mark Andrew's quarterback is going

45:16

to be next year. I know it's going to be

45:18

Lamar Jackson. I know he's going to get those

45:20

looks. I don't know who's going to

45:22

be playing quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders.

45:24

And yes, the Las Vegas Raiders. How

45:26

many times I'm gonna mess it up? How many times are

45:28

we gonna mess that up? Like screw it up? I mean not

45:31

everybody, I mean I still

45:34

people on the San

45:36

Diego Chargers exactly. So yeah, I'm gonna

45:38

screw that up. But I don't know who's going to be the Las Vegas

45:40

Raiders quarterback next year. And that gives

45:43

me a little hesitation about Darren

45:45

Waller. I mean, I don't know that

45:48

is that fair? No, it is of

45:51

course a big part of uh, you know, the guy's value

45:53

is going to be who's throwing the football

45:55

to him. And I mean Derek Carr still, you know, he's still in our contract

45:58

until right

46:00

but who knows, um, what

46:03

else is out there? I don't know. I mean, I

46:06

don't know. But Waller

46:08

showed. I mean, this guy a lot of people

46:10

of the preseason and the fantasy community we're

46:12

talking about him, and he was. He met and exceeded

46:15

expectations. And I mean,

46:17

right now, all the things being equal, he's he's

46:19

a you know, top five or six tight end, no doubt

46:21

about it, right Um. And then in the position,

46:24

the position potentially and you

46:26

know, like we said, this season, this

46:28

position is driving us nuts. It's

46:31

awful. It's so thin. It

46:34

gained a little weight this season.

46:36

It did. You got Kelsey, got Kidle,

46:38

you got Hooper, you got Hurt, you got Andrews and Waller,

46:40

Evan Ingram. I mean he's talented this hell, he

46:42

just can't stay healthy. Hunter Henry is a damn

46:44

good titan. Jared Cook was really good again. Tyler

46:47

Higbee an elite Fantasy

46:49

tight end in the last five weeks, elite enough

46:52

that he finished as the tight end eight. It's

46:54

been I know, it's bananas. He finishes the tight

46:56

end eight based on essentially the last

46:59

five to the season, his last five weeks twenty

47:02

three points, eighteen points, twenty three nineteen

47:04

twenty two. So the position,

47:07

maybe you would think that Hawkinson makes

47:09

a little bit of a leap. If Hawkinson can take us,

47:11

you would think pant makes a little bit of a leap.

47:14

Mike Asiki started with a

47:16

little bit of a leap, and so did Dallas Goddard. So

47:19

the position, Johnny Smith could end

47:21

up making a leap. He's gonna end up be in a deep state. I

47:24

don't know that Delanney Walker is going to be back at

47:26

his age, and in the the last couple of seasons he's

47:28

been banged up, he's missed time. So

47:30

Johnny Smith might end up being a guy

47:33

who is one of those like you

47:35

know, maybe not as good as a Mark Andrews

47:37

from nineteen, but he

47:40

could be a guy that you dropped as a tight end two who could

47:42

potentially move up into the top twelve. So

47:45

which leads me to the flip

47:47

side of this. Looks, by the way, didn't talk

47:49

about Odell being on the bad side of this and whether or not

47:51

he can be good next year. I know we're

47:53

talking. We talked about Baker Mayfield. I

47:56

think he will be. I think a lot of it just depends

47:58

on the the the offensive

48:00

coordinator and we're not to getting the balls. But speaking

48:03

of tight ends, the flip side of that was O. J. Howard,

48:05

a guy that we all liked, that we thought

48:08

was going to be huge and

48:10

just wasn't. Uh really just

48:12

was was persona on grown for a long time. Cameron

48:15

braid Uh ended up having

48:17

a better Fantasy year than

48:19

O J. Howard. The

48:22

the talent is undeniable, the opportunity

48:24

just never seemed to present itself. So

48:26

are we are we going to buy back

48:28

in obviously at a much different draft

48:31

price next year? But do we buy back in on O

48:33

J. Howard? Where's he gonna play? I mean

48:35

presumably he's still I mean still on his workie contract,

48:38

right, I know. But I mean, like, and

48:40

I'll do an offseason sort of wish list

48:42

from a fantasy perspective, of course, And I

48:44

wouldn't mind saying, O. J. Howard go to New England.

48:47

Interesting? Interesting? I

48:49

mean they could use pass catchers, so

48:52

and we know what they can do with the talented tied end. He's

48:54

in his final year. He'll be his

48:56

final year. Uh, and then they

48:58

have the fifth year option because because his rookie

49:00

dear I have, they have a fixture, right, So I

49:02

mean that

49:05

could that could be interesting, although again

49:07

Tom Brady is not Tom Brady anymore. But I mean there's

49:10

also that, um that's that's going to be

49:12

an interesting one too, because and I am

49:14

going to look heavily at tight end this offseason,

49:17

right because I we're all frustrated

49:19

with it, right, and I just want to see if there's a way we can unlock

49:22

this, that we can find depth, because I

49:24

know we've talked about it, and like, I'm looking

49:26

at maybe maybe twelve guys

49:29

that you can start and feel comfortable with week

49:31

after week. The problem

49:33

comes if one of those guys gets hurt or

49:35

one of those guys underperformed I mean, can Austin

49:37

Hooper do what he did this year

49:39

again next year? Right? And I know he was hurt for a while,

49:41

but when he played, he was damn he

49:43

was the number one tight end when he

49:45

when he went down with the Injuri Yeah, yeah, you

49:48

know, can he do this again next year? Or

49:50

was this a flash in the pan? Right? I mean, Jered Cook

49:52

has been nice the last couple of years, but

49:55

he's an older player. I mean, it took him a while

49:57

to kind of get going. Can he continue to be productive?

50:00

Um? You know what happens when Gerald

50:02

Everett comes back? Does that cut into Tyler Higbee's

50:04

production a little bit more? Can zach Ertz and Dallas

50:06

Goddard coexist and both be productive?

50:09

So these are things I think I want to kind of dive into this offseason

50:11

and see what happens next year. Interesting?

50:14

Alright, we'll talk play more about that as

50:17

the off season goes along, because we've got plenty of time now,

50:19

uh, and we still will be doing at least for a while, doing two

50:21

pods a week. We'll figure out what happens after the

50:23

playoffs. Stay tuned. Um,

50:26

speaking of the playoffs, there's no more game of Thrones to

50:28

talk about, no more Game of Thrones to talk about. I know, like

50:30

there's you know, any of us talking about this a few

50:32

weeks ago, like just amongst us, Like that

50:35

might be the last show for a while that

50:37

just captures the collective

50:39

public interest. Now there's like

50:41

there's so many shows on so many platforms

50:43

and streaming Netflix, Hulu,

50:45

Amazon, Showtime. There's

50:47

so many different shows that it's gonna be really

50:50

hard for one show to just capture everybody

50:52

in the way Game of Thrones did. Uh. So this

50:55

might be that, you know, I don't know until we find something. I

50:57

don't know, we'll find something to talk about. Who knows? Uh

51:00

Off Challenge. If you haven't

51:02

played before, just a quick

51:04

rundown of how this works. Uh, it

51:06

is akin to

51:08

starting it to to playing a DFS lineup right

51:10

where you can pick any guys on any

51:13

teams that are in the playoffs. The twist

51:15

to this, though, is if you maintain

51:18

the same players in your lineup each

51:20

week, you get multipliers. So if

51:22

you start a guy uh in in

51:24

the wild card round and you get team wins,

51:27

and you keep him in the visual round, you get double the

51:29

points and next week you get triple the points and potentially

51:31

up to four times the point of that team or that player

51:33

goes all the way to the super Bowl. So that's

51:36

the trick there. You basically want to find teams

51:39

that you think are going to make a long run in

51:41

the postseason with players that are going to be productive,

51:43

and that is how you succeed at the

51:45

playoff challenge. So what

51:48

kind of dive into matches maybe later on in the week,

51:50

uh and kind of figure out like you know who to play where

51:52

and what have you. But I'm looking at just some of the big

51:54

overall questions that you know

51:56

are as much about the NFL playoffs as

51:59

they are about the playoff challenge. The first

52:01

one seems simple, like is there any other quarterback

52:03

besides the mar Jackson that you're picking in this one right

52:05

now? I mean, if you want to be a contrarian,

52:07

and a lot of times that's how you want sometimes it works

52:10

in playoff challenge you want to I

52:12

mean, if you've got a team in mind, like say

52:14

you're really high on the Titans and you think they go from the wild

52:17

card all the way to the ANFC Championship game with then

52:19

you know, maybe Tannhel's. But I mean Lamar

52:21

Jackson's he's going to be that. He's gonna

52:23

be in every free outside

52:26

number one Patriots and Chiefs fans. Hey,

52:29

but even some of them, Man, if they're you know, if they're trying to win,

52:32

well, if Patriots fans want to be honest with themselves, you're

52:34

trying to win. Your team is not that good? Um, not

52:36

that good? Then then hey man, you're you're gonna make that happen.

52:38

It's lost to the Dolphins in week sevent team and

52:41

the Packers. The Packers aren't that good either. I said that yesterday

52:43

Twitter. I got attacked. Well, Packer

52:46

fan, Packer Nation, You're not that

52:48

Packer is trying

52:49

to you are? You

52:51

are a weak number two seed? Packer

52:53

fans are. They're trying to they're trying to come to terms

52:55

with some things right now. You know it's it's it's

52:58

not it's not what they wanted to be or they're

53:00

thirteen and three, but maybe not the way they wanted it to be.

53:02

Right And you know, you look through you look through the

53:04

schedule, right and and number

53:06

one Aaron Rodgers now look like Aaron Rodgers. Okay,

53:09

he was overthrown dude left and right. Yeah, now,

53:11

let's let's go through there. There

53:14

their schedule, right, Okay, they beat the Bears,

53:16

the Bears are not that good. They beat the Vikings,

53:18

Okay, beat the Broncos, they're not

53:21

that good. You beat the Eagles. Are You lost

53:23

to the Eagles and they're not that good. You beat the Cowboys,

53:25

they're not that good. You beat Detroit and Oakland

53:27

to crap teams. Now, they did beat

53:30

Kansas City in Kansas

53:32

City, But was that without Mahomes. Let's

53:34

see, let's let's let's pull up the box score, because

53:36

that might have been without Mahomes, that might have

53:39

been with Matt Moore. And if

53:41

it was you one.

53:43

But I feel like I feel like I was projecting

53:46

that the one by a touchdown, that the Viking

53:48

or the Packer defense was a good

53:50

So then Matt Moore was the quarterback in that

53:52

game. Yeah, I don't think I would have I don't think I

53:54

would have recommended that. I was,

53:57

no doubt was the starting quarterback. You lost to the

53:59

chart Ers, who are not that good. You

54:02

beat the Panthers, they're not that good. You got

54:04

the ship. It was Matt more so,

54:07

so they lose that game if my homes as the quarterback. They

54:09

got decimated by the

54:11

Niners. They beat the Giants, they stink.

54:13

They beat the Redskins, they stink. They beat the Bears,

54:15

they stink. They beat the Lions, the

54:18

Vikings, the Vikings are, you

54:20

know? And then they barely beat the Lions,

54:23

who are awful. Well, they have to come from behind to beat the Lions.

54:25

They were down fourteen. Nothing that David were they

54:27

were? They were back by the way, Backer

54:29

fans, listen, Hey, I'm a Cowboys fan, and I know

54:31

my team sucked after we lost to the Jets.

54:34

I knew it. I can come out and say it that the Cowboys

54:36

are not a good team this year. A lot of talent, not

54:38

a good team. The Packers get

54:40

home field, and God

54:42

bless him, the team that comes in there might

54:45

tune them up. By the way. Uh, David

54:47

blow, dude, you you caught

54:49

a touchdown paths like, don't throw the ball in the stands A

54:51

hold on that ball, man, You're gonna

54:54

want the thing back so

54:56

again. So you know, the the

54:59

NFC, I feel like the Saints,

55:01

the Saints and the Niners of the teams to be just which

55:04

teams Saints and the Niners, and and I hope to God

55:06

that we see that in the NFC Championship game and the

55:08

resta don't screw it up this time, because well they are.

55:11

I mean, look, here's the thing. I feel like we should just start

55:13

every every NFL game day and

55:15

everybody just puts out there, Oh my god, I can't

55:17

believe the refs missed that call. Tweet Let's just get it out

55:19

of the way. Let's just get it out of the way, right,

55:21

just get out of the way early. Like I can't believe the rest of it is that call.

55:23

We'll just we'll just all tweet that it kick off and

55:26

then we'll all feel better when the game

55:28

is over. Um. Yeah, I mean, are there any

55:30

other NFC teams besides Saints Niners

55:32

that you feel like have a legit shot? I mean, like you

55:34

believe in the Seahawks. I feel like they they're No, I

55:36

don't don't. They're too injured, man. I

55:38

mean they had to bring in two guys off the street. I mean, one

55:40

of those Marshall Lynch. But it was funny

55:42

see him play. Yeah, I mean we're not looking at you know,

55:45

the middle of his career sort of in his prime. Marshall

55:47

Lynche, I don't the

55:49

NFL is weird. I get it, Like it's like

55:52

I can't see the Eagles winning the game, but I

55:54

mean, you know, I mean you never know, like

55:56

I mean, you never know. But I mean, if

56:00

as a fan a football

56:02

there is nothing more that I would like to

56:04

see then Baltimore in Kansas

56:06

City and New Orleans

56:09

and San Francisco in their respective

56:11

conference championship. By the way, we really legitimately

56:14

could get nine or Seahawks

56:16

three into Yeah, I know

56:18

that that is a legitimate possibility that they could

56:21

be back at at Levi Stadium in

56:23

Santa Clara in a couple of weeks, playing

56:25

for the third time this year. WO should be interesting. The first two games

56:27

were very entertaining and they split the first two. This is

56:29

sort of the rubber match and see who moves

56:32

on. Yeah, yeah, and uh, you know, we

56:34

can we can take a look at these matchups on Friday a little

56:36

bit later in the week and Tense he's gonna

56:38

beat I think Tens he's gonna beat. That's gonna be I feel

56:40

like that's going to be the upset special that everybody

56:43

is going which means it's definitely

56:45

not gonna happen. Are there

56:47

any of the wild card teams? I know, obviously you

56:49

don't believe in the wild card teams in the NFC,

56:52

any wild card teams in the a f C. I mean,

56:54

I guess technically the well, the Titans are a division

56:56

winner, right, No, no, No, it's

56:58

actually like the Titans potentially

57:00

could could win a game or two, right, that's

57:03

the that's the and I said this yesterday, like I posted

57:05

on that's the one team in the a f C you don't want to

57:07

play because they have a lot of confidence.

57:09

Their quarterback is playing and you guys,

57:11

he's playing at an m v P

57:14

level and he has been for half

57:17

the season. Look

57:19

at Tannehill's numbers and

57:22

he has led this team to how many wins since

57:24

he's been back? They've lost on one or two games since

57:26

he's since they lost to the Saints. I

57:29

don't I'm not, I don't remember if they lost another game. But he's

57:32

been playing tremendous

57:34

football. Tremendous football, dude.

57:38

They lost, They've lost twice. They lost they lost one

57:41

of the Texans and they lost to the SATs. I mean, he's

57:43

what seven and two or something like that as

57:45

a starter somewhere in that neighborhood. It's

57:47

been pretty good. If

57:50

you want to go with a sleeper team in the a f C and playoff

57:52

challenge, I think it's the Titans. Yeah,

57:55

I mean, I think I think that's the closest thing you're gonna have a sleeper.

57:57

They gave New Orleans all they could handle. They

57:59

were they they couldn't hold the lead. I mean, their defense

58:01

is has got some issues. I

58:04

really think I'm looking at the Titans are

58:06

a team that that could that could surprise some people.

58:08

I'm looking at the wild card teams and yeah,

58:11

they are the one that jumps right. The Vikings

58:13

don't jump out of me. Buffalo,

58:17

the Bills are a nice story. If they're

58:19

They're a fun story. I think they overachieved

58:22

in a lot of ways this year, and credit to

58:24

to Sean McDermott and what they've done there

58:26

in Buffalo. Um. I mean the fact that they legitimately

58:28

had a chance to win the a f C East. It's

58:30

been a while since we've said said that about another

58:33

team not called the Patriots, So props

58:35

to them. Um, I wouldn't

58:37

be totally surprised if they win

58:39

on Saturday, because the Texans seemed

58:41

good to gag up a a wild card round

58:44

game that just seems to be there. You know their wants.

58:46

Um, But I don't know

58:49

if the Bills have enough offense. I mean, I think

58:51

we saw that against the Patriots a couple of weeks ago,

58:54

where you know their their defense can

58:56

keep them in games. I don't know that they have quite

58:58

enough offense yet to go out and win. Game is in the

59:00

playoffs, so I mean you're just going on Niners, right,

59:02

and playoff Chalanese are going onliners. I don't know. I

59:05

don't know. I mean, I mean I may load up

59:07

very heavily on on Ravens, right,

59:09

I mean Lamar Jackson, mark Ingram.

59:12

I think my my tight end's probably gonna be George

59:14

Kittle. Um.

59:17

I think here's the thing. The wide receivers

59:19

are where you I sort of run into issues, right,

59:21

I mean maybe Deebo Samuel on

59:24

one side. I don't I don't mean you don't

59:26

want to play Hollywood, right. I

59:28

mean, even even if you really think you're gonna get

59:30

like the quadruple multiplier and he goes to the Super Bowl.

59:32

But I mean, what is he What is he gonna give you?

59:34

That's the thing. It's like you need him to score

59:36

touchdowns because the targets just aren't there for him.

59:39

But like what Thomas is a lock? Like,

59:41

I mean, he's Michael. See. That's the thing. Michael Thomas is

59:43

a lock. But you the

59:45

good thing is that the Saints have this game at home in

59:48

the first round, and assuming

59:51

that the Packers, I think

59:53

the Packers are gonna I'm just saying I

59:55

think the Packers are there. I wouldn't

59:57

play any Packers in the playoff challenge, even

1:00:00

Davante Adams. He's the only guy that I would

1:00:02

consider. Well, maybe I

1:00:04

feel like they could end up getting knocked out in because

1:00:08

right now, I mean obviously depends

1:00:10

on how things play out, but like they could play

1:00:12

the Saints right in in

1:00:15

the divisional ground. I don't want. I

1:00:18

don't want. I mean, I mean so then so then okay,

1:00:20

and I look, I know we're we're kind of going deep into

1:00:22

this, but you're running backs marketing room.

1:00:26

I mean, I don't know what's going on with Angram with the injuries, but

1:00:28

I mean, like right potentially

1:00:31

what Camara

1:00:34

Camara, I mean, yeah,

1:00:36

but again that that is depending

1:00:38

on how far you think the Saints can go. I

1:00:40

think the Saints to the NFC Championship,

1:00:42

so alright, so then Camara camar is legit. So

1:00:46

but again, the NFL is so freaking weird and unpredictable,

1:00:49

you know, like so you never know. But I

1:00:51

just feel like there's teams in each

1:00:53

conference that have shown that they are they're

1:00:56

better than everybody else. I mean, doesn't mean

1:00:58

somebody get knocked off. That means gonna

1:01:00

get it happens all the time. You know. That's why the NFL

1:01:02

is is so interesting and frustrating at the same time

1:01:04

if you're a fan and a fantasy owner, because you know,

1:01:06

you think something's gonna happen based on what we've

1:01:08

seen in the past, and then the next

1:01:10

thing you know, it's, you

1:01:13

know, Deshaun Watson scoring nine points

1:01:15

against the Bucks. I mean, like this, that's

1:01:17

what happens. Yeah, all right, well we'll diget into this

1:01:19

later in the week. Yeah, because I think I'm gonna have I'm

1:01:21

gonna have a mix of Saints, Ravens and Niners.

1:01:24

Yeah, that that seems legit. Um,

1:01:26

So there you go. That's that is your entry into the Playoff

1:01:29

Challenge. If you don't know it, jump on in. I

1:01:31

think it's a lot of fun. I'm not saying that just

1:01:33

because I work here, but I do work

1:01:35

here. But also, you know, as a chance.

1:01:37

Look there's a chance to win Super Bowl tickets and that seems

1:01:39

pretty awesome. There you go, all

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