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guys, I'm James Later joined by Jason.
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according. we've also got eight or straighter
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entitled brat here guys. We kicked things
1:57
off and a run for the quarter.
2:00
right off the bat with Caleb Williams
2:02
last night. Man, I don't think
2:04
we expected six quarterbacks to essentially come off
2:07
the board, but let's just go ahead and
2:09
get your quick thoughts on that before we
2:11
jump into our lead block. Oh, we'll just
2:13
do the lead block. Who
2:15
won the night? Guys, when we start talking
2:17
about this draft, obviously we had Caleb
2:20
Williams coming off the board, and then after that
2:22
we were talking about as many as six coming
2:24
off at the quarterback position.
2:26
We saw just that. But
2:29
I am curious, when you guys look at
2:31
this draft, obviously we focused on Caleb Williams.
2:33
We talked about JJ McCarthy going to Minnesota,
2:35
Bo Nicks a bit of a shocker going
2:38
to Denver. But if you had to pick
2:40
out of all the 32 teams that
2:42
picked in that first round, Kyle, we'll start with you.
2:45
Who would you say one night won? Well,
2:48
I have a few things to say about what
2:50
the Chicago Bears did last night. I'm gonna get
2:52
comfortable. I got time today, Jason. I
2:55
saw Caleb Williams come onto the stage and scream,
2:57
and I think he was really mirroring a lot
2:59
of what the Bears fans were doing. But I
3:01
have a lot of love for the Lions fans,
3:03
a lot of love for the Lions fans. I
3:05
think they know that. I wish I could say
3:07
though, Lions fans, that I have nothing but love
3:09
for you. It's not true. I also
3:11
have kind of an announcement. I have a little bit
3:14
of a warning, and it's for the
3:16
Lions fans. Here we go. And it's for
3:18
the Vikings fans. And yes, it's
3:20
for the Packers fans, okay? Is this thing
3:23
on? Can you hear me? It's on. Chicago
3:25
Bears are no longer yours to
3:27
kick around. Do you understand?
3:29
It changed. It's over now.
3:32
And frankly, Lions fans, you weren't kicking them
3:34
around anyways. This is big boy stuff now.
3:36
This is varsity stuff now. When the schedule
3:38
comes out and you see the little Bears
3:40
logo on a given week, that's gonna be
3:42
a bad thing. When you watch Red Zone,
3:44
they're gonna go to the Bears, and that's
3:46
gonna be a bad thing. You can go
3:48
ahead and make your jokes and your condition
3:50
to joke about the Bears and to mock
3:52
the Bears. I understand that. I saw last
3:54
night, Ross Tucker tweets out. I
3:57
Haven't seen Bears fans this excited since they drafted
3:59
Justin- Bill three years ago or on as one
4:01
of the biggest jerks in the industry I would expect
4:04
on the I. Was
4:09
the most exciting knife of Chicago Bears I
4:11
think. And five years and that includes games
4:13
and you might sell their So sad, That's
4:15
really sad. It's sad it's been tough sweaty
4:17
of. I'm not deny it's been a tough
4:19
tough time and I hear this. You know
4:21
is that how many times you get knocked
4:23
down time is unexpected. Know it's how many
4:25
times I found that wonder what that is
4:27
and Freddie Roach was talking to my buried
4:29
it is how many times you get knocked
4:31
down and a knock knock down anymore. Make
4:33
your jokes because you can't attack the talents.
4:35
Kill him. Williams go into start his first
4:37
game is. The cargo bear have and
4:39
is going to look around in the
4:41
huddle. It is going to see a
4:43
Doomsday in Dj in Keene In and
4:45
Zero Bus and Commands and Swift. And
4:56
even just for. All
5:01
of your nail polish jokes. Do
5:03
as I know a stone out of insecurities
5:05
and for the first time in years
5:07
I can say is the bears and fuzzy
5:09
as it's been out of jealousy. Their.
5:12
That school team Very the Loaded team. So
5:14
good in it's real. you're not dreaming is
5:16
happens and it's going to keep happen. It's
5:19
and Peter I'm going to finish with this.
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You remember that can be seen right of
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course course and the police. he is giving
5:26
a speech to period until he says Lana
5:28
says star Target area they're all just spokesman
5:30
er, we own It spins around and around
5:32
and theories and press that he says are
5:35
you going to stop the We I understand
5:37
a lot of people try to do that.
5:39
Who is He says no. I'm. Not
5:41
going to stop the wheel. a minute break
5:43
the wheel and I would say the Bears
5:46
fans. Seals. To Pesky
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com where they're all the towns
5:50
on away I'm account goes around
5:52
and around and around. Taylor.
5:54
williams is not going to stop the
5:56
wheel he's going to break but we'll
5:58
he is that breaker of we The
6:00
mover of change the Chicago Bears are
6:02
no longer yours to laugh at meme
6:05
about and kick around Soak
6:07
it in swallow it. It's happening. It's
6:09
real. Take that in. Come on
6:11
now. Come on now Bleeping
6:16
down let's go bear bleeping down
6:18
Do you hear me? Bear down!
6:21
They hear it. Do you hear
6:23
it? I said bear
6:25
down! Come on! Do you hear it? Listen
6:28
up! They hear it. You hear it. Kyle,
6:38
while the... Kyle just talked about
6:41
a Moribund franchise that hasn't had any good moments
6:43
in about 20 years and he's enjoying himself and
6:45
he's getting it. Let me talk about the Super
6:47
Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs here. Let me
6:50
talk about the Chiefs. Because
6:53
there are 31 other fan bases who
6:56
were sitting on the edge of their
6:58
seats last night and they're believing like
7:00
Kyle that they're suddenly Super Bowl contenders
7:02
There is a team in Kansas City
7:04
that everyone should be trying to stop
7:06
from doing it yet again and
7:09
sure enough I'm watching last night as the
7:11
draft board is falling and things are happening
7:13
and we're going and there's trades and there's
7:15
no trades and the why... How is the
7:17
rest of the league going to let the
7:19
Kansas City Chiefs draft Xavier worthy at 28
7:21
overall? Please keep going. We
7:24
are... Okay, there's only 32 teams. At
7:26
some point 31 of you have to
7:28
call each other and say let's not
7:30
give the Chiefs the fastest player to
7:32
ever show up at the combine They
7:35
should collude in some way and say okay one of us has
7:37
to bite the bullet, one of us get in front of
7:39
the Chiefs and make sure Xavier worthy doesn't go
7:41
to the Kansas City Chiefs What's that the Jesse
7:43
Pinkman? He can't just get it away with us!
7:46
It's insane to me that
7:49
the Kansas City Chiefs quietly
7:51
move up four picks and get a
7:53
guy who ran a 4-2-3-40 a couple
7:55
months ago that we all saw and
7:57
here's the thing with worthy 170
8:00
pounds and people at home are like, ah,
8:02
he's just a lightweight wide receiver. It's like
8:04
three years in college, it's five foot 11.
8:06
He's listed at six foot one at the
8:09
Texas media guys. Peter,
8:12
we're making television. Keep going. Let's go. And
8:14
this is one of those deals where like
8:16
he's a true receiver. He runs routes. He
8:18
does it all. He does the route
8:20
tree. He interviewed with teams. He was great. I had Xavier
8:22
Worthy going 17 in my mock draft. A lot of people
8:24
were like, he might be gone top 12, top 13. Like
8:28
that's how high the league is on them right now. 28
8:31
to the chief, the Kansas city chiefs, they won
8:33
the super bowl last year. They won the super
8:35
bowl this year. They won the NFL draft night
8:37
day one. They get Xavier Worthy. They add them
8:39
to a team and guess what? Travis Kelsey has
8:41
added five years to his career. You can dance
8:43
and sing. There'd be a tortured poet with your
8:45
girlfriend. You can do it all because you know
8:47
what? They're going to be flying, trying to chase
8:49
down Marquis Brown and Xavier Worthy. Travis Kelsey's gonna
8:51
have single coverage underneath the chief. Get the pick
8:53
from some of the NFC, like the Buffalo. Oh,
8:55
the team they've been tormenting for years. The team
8:57
that traded them in the homes, pick. Oh
9:00
my gosh. Chiefs won the draft. Bears, enjoy your
9:02
big weekend in April. All right, Jason, what do
9:05
you got? I'm so disappointed that
9:07
my kids already left for school because Kyle was
9:09
getting the crowd and everybody involved. I was going
9:11
to have them just file in and I was
9:13
going to have them do a school clap behind
9:15
me. They probably heard me in New Jersey. No
9:18
doubt about it. They're just on TV. Like,
9:21
don't listen to that crazy man. Get them
9:23
off the screen. But I'm rolling with the
9:25
Minnesota Vikings as winning the night. We talked
9:27
about them getting JJ McCarthy, but we thought
9:29
when they made that trade with the Houston Texans
9:31
weeks ago that they were doing that to possibly
9:33
have to move up into the top five to
9:35
get the quarterback that they wanted. They didn't have
9:37
to do that. They only had to bump off
9:39
one spot from 11 to 10 to
9:41
land a quarterback that they believe is a guy
9:43
that's going to lead them into the future. All
9:46
right, they had to pick 23. They
9:48
weren't done yet. They move up six spots and
9:50
go and get Dallas Turner, the defensive guy that
9:52
a lot of people had as their first guy
9:55
coming off the board on that side of the
9:57
ball. And when Dallas Turner gets drafted, they show
9:59
him. looking up to that podium to meet
10:01
Goodell. He looked like a crazed man. He looked
10:03
pissed off that he was waiting in the green
10:05
room for so long. It was a walk where
10:08
he was talking to himself. He looked like he
10:10
was getting ready to check in the game and
10:12
cause havoc. So I look at this from their
10:14
standpoint, and you talked about adding Brian Flores last
10:16
year to the defense. Now you go out and
10:18
you get a guy like Dallas Turner, but also
10:21
Jonathan Green, Andrew Van Geenkel, those guys that they
10:23
added to the defensive side of the ball. And
10:25
now Kevin O'Connell gets a quarterback that he believes
10:27
can get him over the top. The one thing
10:29
that O'Connell said about JJ McCarthy after drafting
10:31
was, when you talk to his teammates and
10:34
everybody there at Michigan, the one thing that
10:36
they all said, he came through for that
10:38
team whenever they needed him most. And Minnesota
10:40
feels like that's what they were missing at
10:42
their quarterback position with Kirk Cousins. Whether it
10:45
all works out or not, we'll see that
10:47
in the coming future. Jane, one tonight, who
10:49
you rolling with? Look, I think
10:51
it's hard to make a case for anyone
10:53
other than the Bears. I think Kyle eloquently
10:56
laid it all out. They come in with
10:58
a stacked cover and a lot of weapons.
11:00
I want to put Peter and Kyle on the spot
11:02
just a little bit. And if we have time, Jason,
11:05
I'll throw you in. Aside from Atlanta, was
11:07
there any pick that you kind of
11:09
went meh in the first round? Yeah,
11:13
well, listen, I can speak for the fans. I
11:15
think the Giants drafted Malik Nabors. And we all
11:17
like Nabors, but everyone's like, wait a second. They're
11:19
going to trade this, or they're going to draft
11:21
the quarterback. And I think there was
11:24
a palpable amongst the Giants
11:26
fan base. And that's a reflection of Daniel Jones. And
11:28
that's a reflection of all of us buying into the
11:30
draft type for the last month that they're moving on,
11:32
moving on. They ain't moving on. And Nick N all
11:56
in, and we're looking for a Super Bowl. I don't know if Guy can
11:58
get this over with. We have to talk about another. To like
12:00
about no fire last night and and rated their
12:02
pick to the chase to get the fastest wide
12:05
receiver history. Jason talk about it. like with the
12:07
dig straight happens and you're like will be it'll
12:09
take care of illicit detour Cgm He has a
12:11
plan, he moved back and absurd he has a
12:14
plan but after night wonder what are we doing?
12:16
What we do I think there's a little fear
12:18
this morning about deathly Bills Mafia has to be
12:20
wanna know the name going around and of nowhere
12:23
you have your dinner a damn funny your name
12:25
of the top openers. absolutely nothing on a place
12:27
and that's how fans had to feel because you're
12:29
expecting them that leads go out would give a
12:32
wide receiver in a drive those so deep and
12:34
we see guys go at the end of the
12:36
first round rookie pure saw all the get gold
12:38
as well and Buffalo tree don't They don't bring
12:41
any body into their franchise or you're talking about
12:43
object type of form as unopened I can look
12:45
past the Buffalo Bills. This. Is severely
12:47
in the weeds that it's here. One of the
12:49
fans it into the first round there like I
12:51
saw it in south of the Kansas City Chiefs.
12:53
Traded the fact that and say to think again
12:55
and in the bill says it's a thirty second
12:57
pic is sitting there. If I could tell you
12:59
there about five teams try to move up to
13:01
thirty two. So why would the last pic of
13:04
the first round matter If you draft one of
13:06
these wide receivers at the last pic of the
13:08
first round or any pick in the first and
13:10
you get them for five years. Get the four
13:12
years in the fifth year. After defeating them one
13:14
day later, you only get him for four years.
13:16
So Carolina was calling. But so are other teams to
13:18
get up to thirty two and the players exhibit look
13:20
at. But he saw David Tepper the owner the Panthers
13:22
you i'm in a coffin there were so excited they
13:24
look like they got him on a bargain price. Tickets
13:27
are not an extra year on of but there were
13:29
other teams gone up to his com a new to
13:31
watch all those wide receivers at the end but I
13:33
don't know anybody in town telesur on our talk about
13:35
out already by the had pretty clear saw gone before
13:37
a D Mitchell and go before my Mcconkey. so maybe
13:40
the biggest soccer the night was actually San Francisco. Taken
13:42
Ricky Pure soul in the first for the first round
13:44
but you know what that was the guy the had
13:46
their eyes on. Lost contact and is going to love
13:48
of a habit of sigma with you can people out
13:50
there in San Francisco where we go on guys and
13:52
keep the strain wrong. I. just isolation they might
13:54
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13:57
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right, well, it's 22 picks for a
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16:52
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16:54
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16:56
candle the head coach of the Toledo Rockets welcome
16:58
to good morning football. Thanks for having me up
17:01
Yeah, look yesterday. That was a really cool
17:03
moment for Quinn on first cornerback off the
17:05
board He played four years at Toledo one
17:07
of the only small school guys taken last
17:10
night What was it like when he
17:12
got selected man? I about every emotion
17:14
you can imagine a lot of relief proud moment
17:16
for him and his family I think the thing
17:18
that really gets you to see his grandmother
17:20
his mother and those three sisters have that group
17:22
hug Right there in the middle. It's something you
17:24
can't keep up with around that Evil
17:27
fans are watching the same. Who are we getting who is
17:29
this guy? What's his personality? If you were
17:31
to explain to me on it Player
17:33
yes, but the person who's coming to
17:35
Philadelphia as they knew his first round
17:37
pick well I mean first and
17:39
foremost I've said this from day one five store human
17:41
being a guy who just goes to work every day
17:44
And it does the right thing to
17:46
the coach So
17:48
concerning that we've added this work
17:50
and do it required and make the
17:53
other guys around them better because Okay,
17:56
so the story goes and Nick
17:59
Saban talked about this There are a bunch of
18:01
schools begging Quinion to transfer and to enter the
18:03
transfer portal, which about a thousand kids knew. And
18:05
typically you get someone from the MAC and say,
18:07
okay, for this final year, I'll go to the
18:09
SEC. Saban talked about the SEC that
18:11
Alabama had all the... He stays at
18:14
Toledo. He stays in the MAC. What's
18:17
that mean to you as his head coach?
18:19
And also, what did that do for
18:21
the rest of the team as far as, hey, our best
18:24
players choose to stay here. Let's go. I
18:26
think it's a testament to the culture in our locker room, testament
18:28
to who he is as a human being, you know, loyalty,
18:31
equality that, you know, is sometimes
18:34
very underrepresented in today's world.
18:37
And for him to do that and for it all
18:39
to work out in the culminating moments would be last
18:41
night very special for our program, very special for that
18:43
young man. Now, he goes to the Eagles. You and
18:45
I were talking off camera. I said, hey, where did
18:47
you go to school? You mentioned Mount Union. I was
18:49
like, Mount Union? What is your
18:51
connection to the Philadelphia Eagles? What is your
18:53
connection to the Eagles? Well, the head coach
18:55
is my college roommate. Exterioni's
18:58
college roommate. We were the
19:00
two, a couple of those championship teams, we were
19:02
the two receivers that played together and so I've
19:04
known that guy for a long time, great football
19:07
family. And what's really cool about
19:09
the whole situation is that this personality, that this
19:11
are our pick matches of that, the head coach.
19:14
Not too often you get that opportunity. Well, such insight.
19:17
Did Nick call you and say, hey, this guy might
19:19
be one of our players? I'm sure he did. Well,
19:22
they all call. But yeah, you know, that conversation is
19:24
a little bit different because you can, you know, you
19:26
know, he knows, he knows how to push my buttons
19:28
and how to push it so he can get
19:30
the inside information. But not just
19:33
like this and all in all things and a hundred
19:35
different ways. This is a great fit. All things, Queenie
19:37
and Mitchell aside, give us a good Nick Sirianni college
19:39
roommate. What
19:41
was the scouting report on Sirianni of
19:43
Ohio? Get out of here. So
19:46
your Nick Sirianni conference, we see him wearing
19:48
the Dallas sweatshirt and doing the mean mug.
19:51
We love Sirianni. What was he like in
19:53
college? He was a real timid Wallflower type.
19:55
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a guy
19:58
that you that's a guy you want on your noon basketball team. He's
20:00
going to the days that maybe it's there's not quite
20:03
the energy that's needed. He's going to bring that maybe
20:06
get into scrummers or two and maybe let you clean
20:08
it up. Maybe I don't know. But
20:11
no, great human being, great
20:13
roommate, you know, and I know a great player
20:15
when he was playing too. It was kind
20:17
of a weird thing because I got done and got
20:19
the opportunity to be a student coach and he had
20:21
a year left to be, you know, his fifth year
20:23
because of an injury and actually got a chance to
20:26
coach him too. So, that's cool. So
20:28
the connection is Jason, you roommates
20:30
with Siri on it, they draft your best
20:32
player this year in the first round real
20:35
quick for the viewers at home who watch
20:37
the Mac and they love their reaction. What can
20:39
we expect from your program this season? I
20:41
think this is just a quick glimpse of
20:43
what it can be. I mean, we've got some great ones coming back
20:45
next year. You know, a couple
20:47
of guys that, you know, that got a lot of
20:49
attention here in the early scouting process is what it
20:52
looks like for next season, you know, and we're really
20:54
excited about those guys and what it could
20:56
be. Coming off of an 11 win year and I think
20:58
we're just scratching the surface of what we can be. So
21:00
I'm really excited about it. We hope to see you back
21:02
here next year with another first round prospect and we hope
21:04
to see you guys in a big time bowl game. Thanks
21:06
so much, coach. Appreciate you joining. Welcome
21:09
back to Good Morning Football. I'm Peter Shrager. This
21:11
is Tom Telesare, one of the best insiders in
21:13
the game. And look, there are some teams we haven't
21:15
hit yet. I figure let's finish up the show and
21:17
get to some teams because I know you've got tons
21:19
left. Giants, so much buzz about
21:21
the Giants potentially taking JJ McCarthy. Six overall.
21:23
They're on the clock. No one trades out
21:26
McCarthy sitting there right for them and they
21:28
go with receiver Malik neighbors. What insights do
21:30
you have on that decision? As many Giants
21:32
fans are wondering, are we moving on from
21:34
Daniel Jones? No, actually quite the contrary. You're
21:36
all in on Daniel Jones for another season.
21:39
There were two teams that were trying to
21:41
trade up into the number three pick and
21:43
I was the Giants and the Vikings. The Patriots
21:45
never got anything close to type of an offer.
21:47
It was going to make it was going to
21:49
make the move and all three teams were targeting
21:52
the same guy, which was Drake. May Patriots decide
21:54
we're going to stand. Pat, they take may at
21:56
that point, it became sort of a poker game
21:58
between the Giants and the. Vikings, do we
22:00
really think New York is going to take JJ
22:03
McCarthy? In the end, what we found out is
22:05
they're not as high on JJ McCarthy as some
22:07
other teams in the league might have been. They
22:09
had a clear need at the wide receiver position.
22:11
It was a matter of they take Malik neighbors,
22:13
they take Roma Dunsey. In like the 48 hours
22:16
or so before the draft began, the word started to
22:18
sprint. It was going to be Malik neighbors. There
22:20
have been off-field things with him. That was
22:23
a concern with New York go down that
22:25
road. They decided to, what they're getting on
22:27
the field when you talk to coaches and
22:29
skeletons, I know you do, Peter. You're getting
22:31
an absolute dog. He's the tone setter. He
22:33
wants the ball on every single snap. He's
22:35
a really, really good receiver. And I'm sure
22:38
they're hoping with $35 million of change stuck
22:40
with Daniel Jones this year, this guy is
22:42
going to be one of the reasons that
22:44
he plays better. And you saw so many
22:47
people saying that that neighbors is above Harrison
22:49
on some teams board. That's
22:51
true. He was. You mentioned some
22:53
stuff about the only reason it's nothing that's going to, you know,
22:55
I don't think it's just some of the stuff off the field,
22:57
which is right back from the Giants. It'd be so sensitive to
22:59
that because of the Cadaire's Tony situation. But then I
23:02
was told this is nothing like what Cadaire's Tony
23:04
was and different kind of player. This guy is
23:06
all ball. So we'll see. Geinsco
23:08
receiver, six overall, the first time they take an
23:10
LSU wide receiver in the first round since Odell
23:12
Beckham. All right. Number two, stay in
23:14
New York. Every mock draft, including my own head, Brock
23:17
Bowers to the Jets. Roma Dunez goes
23:19
nine. I'm like, all right, it's going to
23:21
be Brock Bowers to the Jets. Jets trade
23:23
back one pick. They take the offensive lineman
23:25
out of Penn State. Hulu, your reaction to
23:27
that and what insight you have on the
23:29
Jets passing on Brock Bowers in the end. Well,
23:31
first of all, Joe Douglas, get an extra draft capital
23:34
for moving back one spot because he just so happened
23:36
to have three teams behind him. They were all potentially
23:38
in the quarterback market worked out pretty well. Not
23:41
entirely shocking here. The question was just going to
23:43
be, are you trying to give Aaron Rodgers another
23:45
weapon or given who you signed in crazy? Listen,
23:47
Tyron Smith, it's a one year deal. You know,
23:49
he's not going to be a long term guy. Do
23:51
you need to continue to fortify that offensive line group?
23:53
Well, they use what? 14 different
23:55
offense lineman last year was an unbelievable number.
23:57
They know better than anybody. They need to.
24:00
40-year-old quarterback you're thinking how
24:02
do we keep this guy upright? Olufeshana was the
24:04
guy who we knew when the tackle run began
24:06
was going to go somewhere there between like 7
24:08
and 14. I
24:11
wasn't super shocked by it. Obviously Brock Bowers
24:13
is a really unique weapon. Some people I
24:15
talked to said he was one of the
24:17
few guys in the entire draft that they
24:19
would trade up for who was not a
24:21
quarterback. The Jets though decide they're going to
24:24
continue to fortify that offensive line group instead,
24:26
which probably means we watch day 2, day
24:28
3 of this draft here. Let's see how
24:30
many other weapons the Jets might be able to add
24:32
to that. Is it bad that I'm watching Brock Bowers'
24:35
film and I'm like, he's my favorite player in the
24:37
draft? Well the storyline meeting Jets pass
24:39
on Brock Bowers, Jets get another tackle to
24:41
keep Aaron Rodgers from getting killed this year.
24:44
I mean I think that that speaks to how many
24:46
people believed it was Brock Bowers. There were teams that
24:48
were willing to trade up for Brock Bowers. There were
24:50
a lot of people. The Raiders, while they missed out
24:53
on Michael Penix, were ecstatic that they got their level
24:55
of a weapon here. But again, for the Jets, you're
24:57
thinking Aaron Rodgers can elevate a lot of people around
24:59
him. What he can't do is block for himself. You
25:01
can get the football out, you need as many of
25:04
those guys. I will put this out there because I
25:06
know the Jets, it would have been interesting if a
25:08
dune's day was on the board. They love the dune's
25:10
day also. So whereas they pass Brock Bowers up and
25:12
I think you can make the argument, it's like
25:15
with a dune's day, would they have done
25:17
that over Olu? I'm not sure, we'll never
25:19
know. A lot of people, you said it,
25:21
had those three receivers graded pretty similar, did
25:23
you refine them in different orders here? Roma
25:25
Dune's day to Chicago, man. That is such a
25:27
get for Chicago. The last one is at the
25:30
end of the first round and we talked about
25:32
it a little bit. The Cowboys, who said they
25:34
were going to be all in, end up drafting
25:36
what might be a long-term project at tackle in
25:39
Tyler Dite and your reaction to the Cowboys trading
25:41
back and then going offensive line? I'm
25:43
not totally shocked by it. I think that
25:46
if anything, people were thinking they're going to
25:48
go interior here, whether that was Graham Barton,
25:50
if you were still on the board, whether
25:52
that was Zach Frazier, Jackson Powers Johnson. Tyler
25:55
Dite is a really talented player, only
25:57
knocks that I really heard on Tyler Dite
25:59
and There was just some of
26:01
the most football that much. There were
26:04
some just overall maturity types of things
26:06
here. Cowboys have never been shy about
26:08
taking those types of players and looking
26:10
for guys with frames. Guyton has traits.
26:13
They lost Tyron Smith. They
26:15
lost Tyler Bialych in the top season. The
26:17
offensive line with a huge priority. Quite frankly,
26:19
the Cowboys, as much as you talk about,
26:21
okay, you'd like to take the best player
26:23
available. This is a need draft for the
26:25
Dallas Cowboys. They lost so many guys for
26:27
agency. They got to fill some needs. And
26:29
today, the next one, I mean the running
26:31
back that they've taken around too. I want to end
26:33
it with this because we started the show with it.
26:36
Michael Penix, you had an amazing rant at 7.10 in
26:38
the morning earlier. It went online. I'm sure it's
26:41
going big. There's just surprise around the league. The
26:43
thing that you said that blew me away. You
26:45
said the biggest shock, not only from this draft,
26:47
but maybe in the last five years was the
26:49
Atlanta Falcons taking Michael Penix eighth overall. You've had
26:52
a few hours to let that marinate online. Anyone
26:54
text you about that take? Anyone ever comment on
26:56
it? I'd like to hear the reaction since saying
26:59
that. I think that people largely have the same
27:01
questions. Everyone I've talked to is asking the same
27:03
thing, which is just what was the thought process
27:05
here? It's just so unique. I've led to some
27:07
of those other names of surprise picks for the
27:09
draft. It wasn't a surprise Michael Penix went. You
27:11
had him in the top 13. I
27:14
had him 13. My mock that I don't publish. I don't
27:16
have the courage that you do. He got 32 of
27:18
32 in his mock that he didn't publish. Okay,
27:23
not bad. But everybody believed that that was probably
27:25
the direction here. It
27:28
was interesting because there was so much smoke. There
27:30
was so much scuttlebutt. Okay, the
27:32
Falcons really like Michael Penix. It
27:34
felt like a smoke screen. Nobody
27:37
thought it was going to go that direction once
27:39
they got on the clock. They had conversations about
27:41
a trade that didn't materialize. You need a second
27:43
team to trade with. How about this sad that
27:46
I emailed our NFL research team got back
27:48
instantly because they're that good at their job.
27:50
The Falcons are the first team in the
27:52
common draft era. In 1970, it has ever
27:54
taken four Skill position players
27:56
in the top eight in four consecutive
27:59
drafts. In two teams that
28:01
it it's three straight times and that
28:03
was These are some ruff ruff base
28:05
here but it was the early two
28:07
thousand Lions and when they took Joey
28:09
Harrington and Roy Williams and or miss
28:11
I say Guy Rodgers Charles rob you
28:13
a second admit it was the lead
28:15
to thousands Raiders where they went on
28:17
the run of to Marcus Russell serious
28:19
Heyward Bey. That and there and mixed.
28:21
Okay so I'm not saying that's the
28:23
direction we're going with this. If you're
28:25
wondering how rare it is for a
28:28
team to do with the Falcons to
28:30
States. Four consecutive your second skill position player
28:32
and by the way they just give a
28:34
different skill guy at the same position audibly
28:36
dollars gift. It's one of the biggest head
28:38
scratchers of the weekend. he said last five
28:40
years I don't know if I ever remember.
28:42
Effect that is on paper is so confusing
28:44
than Michael financing yet in the same off
28:46
season where they let the world know that
28:48
they're not hiring Bill Belichick the greatest coach
28:50
of all time and I are and someone
28:52
else because they have their fathers, they have
28:54
their process on his diseases. The Atlanta Falcons
28:56
are out there on a limb, busier out
28:58
at No Two. I'm not saying. Is
29:01
good and have been brilliant stupid of a
29:04
Kirk Cousins god not Rodgers letter words for
29:06
seminal for the any old certain for goes
29:08
down and Michael but exists. Plan for it's
29:10
but Iraq is what lost his mind. If
29:13
right after the Jets me degree bitumen soon
29:15
be used for something last time I could
29:17
you imagine take a quarter of it's yet
29:19
sign Aaron Rodgers last year and a man
29:22
with a eight overall pick take a quarterback.
29:24
Could you imagine Rothys reaction. Michael
29:28
that is Michael Bay or not at. All. Rising
29:30
Players in the draft. I had one code
29:32
so me because weeks ago he's the second
29:34
best quarterback the ideal but would watches take
29:36
a second best one. Several other people told
29:38
me he is seventh. He's below Spencer Rattler.
29:40
Okay so he to pay to view think
29:42
you could play with that style of quarterbacks?
29:44
There were people who really didn't buy and
29:46
with the people who buy it with thought
29:48
okay is he got a guy. we just
29:50
get the full of as and really quickly
29:53
to see the field. Give. Mcqueen pockets
29:55
south lot like her cousins. they now have
29:57
the other got baby. This work so beautifully
29:59
for. But I would say they
30:01
did not make things easier on themselves
30:03
publicly with their fans with the media.
30:06
Are in their own locker. And now they
30:08
have another thing that ever do. And looming
30:10
Fenix will always be hovering now. six weeks
30:12
ago, Forgive Kirk Cousins a hundred million dollars
30:14
guaranteed. And for Cousins it was all about
30:17
finally a team that's committed to be that
30:19
was the issue in Minnesota was spot the
30:21
commitment The Vikings wouldn't fully guarantee year two
30:23
hundred over the place where I know what
30:25
have you the quarterback for to for years
30:27
are you? honestly? are you the quarterback for
30:29
two or three years? At this point? do
30:31
it a year. We talk about Kirk Cousins
30:33
getting treated because they're ready to move to
30:36
Michael Pena. So many tentacles with some
30:38
so much potential fallout were just
30:40
seamless. Sort of the story. In
30:42
Atlanta for The Falcon, Say it's.
30:44
Over yourself will say well. That
30:46
one's surprise me dead yet last night wasn't
30:49
like authentic since you hear wind and him
30:51
that his senior Bowl director of sitter swagger
30:53
the break at the Michael Ten exterior. I
30:56
mean obviously it's help in a senior bowl.
30:59
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33:25
Schrager and this is Detroit, Michigan. Home
33:28
of the 2024 NFL Draft. We
33:31
get kickstarted tonight at 7 p.m.
33:34
Eastern. But last night the
33:36
story was surprises, trades, and of course,
33:39
quarterbacks. And I'm here with Jim Nagy,
33:41
who's the Executive Director of the Senior
33:43
Bowl. We saw 10 different
33:46
players who participated in the Senior Bowl go in
33:48
the first round last night. There were only two
33:50
last year. Jim, you've got to be thrilled as
33:52
the Executive Director of the whole event. Yeah, it
33:54
was a great night, Peter. Just happy for those
33:56
guys. Happy for, you know, this is the end
33:58
of their journey. You know, like, it's so much
34:01
fun. much sacrifice, so many people poured into these
34:03
players. So to see 10 guys go off, it
34:05
was a fun night. One of those guys was
34:07
Michael Penix Jr. going in the top 10. He
34:09
was a Senior Bowl participant. You worked at NFL
34:11
front offices forever. You've been a part of six
34:13
different Super Bowl teams. I gotta ask
34:15
you, 8th overall, when you already have Kirk
34:18
Cousins, as a former front office guy, what
34:20
was your reaction? Well, I'll say
34:22
this about Terry Fontenot. People are
34:24
questioning the move today. I think he hit a
34:26
solid double in the offseason getting Kirk Cousins. He's
34:28
going to swing in for the fences, right? We
34:31
talk about how quarterback is the most
34:33
important position in sports. And then teams
34:35
don't really address it that way. So
34:38
I'll just go, I'll take you back real quickly to
34:40
the first time I saw Michael Penix was at the
34:42
Manning Camp, like three or four summers ago. He was
34:44
still in Indiana. I didn't know what he looked like.
34:46
I show up at this camp. I don't know what
34:48
any of these guys really look like. I see this
34:50
guy throwing Howitzers all over the field. And I- Left-handed.
34:53
Left-handed. And I think I grabbed Rhett Lewis, and I'm
34:55
like, Rhett, who's the guy that was just throwing? He
34:57
goes, oh, that's Penix from my alma mater. I'm like,
34:59
holy cow, that kid can throw it. So very cool.
35:01
Like four years later, we see him go eight overall. Yeah,
35:03
and then getting to know him at the senior bowl, like
35:05
what are the Falcons fans getting in there? QB2 now, I
35:07
guess, but what are they getting in Penix as far as
35:10
a man and a leader? Yeah, it's been through a lot.
35:12
I got it, it's been through a lot. You talk, I
35:14
mean, I go back to my time in Seattle. Coach Carroll
35:16
wanted players that had been through adversity and proven they could
35:18
get through it. There's nothing worse than the player to sit
35:20
in a training room for as long as he had to
35:22
sit in a training room all those years in Indiana. And
35:24
to get through that and come out the other side and
35:27
have two really fully healthy years, he's grown a lot.
35:29
You're getting a grown man that's been through
35:32
some stuff and show up for training camp. You
35:34
want to watch this guy throw it live. Yeah,
35:36
number 12 overall, the Broncos are on the clock
35:38
and they don't trade back. They take Bo Nix,
35:40
a six year college player who was at Auburn,
35:43
then went to Oregon. Another senior bowl participant. You're
35:45
reacting to that pick. And what do Broncos fans
35:47
need to know about Bo Nix who you've got
35:49
to know very well? Well, I think the Broncos
35:52
did a great job of keeping that under wraps
35:54
because I think they've known and Bo was their
35:56
guy for a long time. I just have a
35:58
hard time. If you spend... time run Bo
36:00
Nicks and then you know what Sean Payton
36:02
likes, that's just the perfect marriage. You gotta
36:04
go. Explain that because I wouldn't say
36:07
we don't know Bo Nicks like you do. Yeah,
36:09
I mean, Bo is a son of a height,
36:11
really established high school coach, great high school coach
36:13
in the state of Alabama, total film junkie, loves
36:15
football, immersed in it. And then you've got Sean
36:17
Payton who he's won a Super Bowl with a
36:19
guy who's accurate, gets the ball out on time,
36:22
very Drew Brees-like. To me, this one just made
36:24
too much sense not to happen. And his senior
36:27
Bo experience was one of them. Yeah, Bo. He
36:29
got better every day, you know, he got better every
36:31
single day. And that's what the teams look for. The
36:33
first day is kind of like if you're a scout
36:35
at Senior Bowl, you're like, it's kind of a throwaway
36:38
day. Let's let these guys get their legs under him.
36:40
But he got better every day. And I think he
36:42
blew away all the guys in the interviews because I'm
36:44
not in those interviews. So I have to walk around
36:46
and ask guys like who's doing good, who's
36:48
struggling a little bit. And Bo's name
36:50
kept coming up. Defensive players
36:52
didn't go until 15th overall. And the first
36:55
defensive player was a Senior Bowl participant and
36:57
a guy who was off some teams boards
36:59
because of a medical red flag when he
37:01
was medically retired after a neck injury at
37:03
the University of Washington. I'm talking about Latu
37:05
out of UCLA. He goes 15th
37:07
overall to Chris Ballard, the first defensive player
37:09
off the board. What was your reaction? Yeah,
37:11
so happy for Laatu. I mean, what he
37:13
and his family have been through with this.
37:16
Think about that. Three or four years ago, he was
37:18
told he can't play football anymore. And then four
37:20
years later, he's the first defensive player picked in
37:22
the draft. So, I mean, Chris Ballard, you're sitting
37:24
there, you get Laatu, Latu at 15. You
37:26
don't have to trade up for him. I
37:28
know Chris has to be thrilled. Yeah. And,
37:31
you know, again, Senior Bowl player, Quinnon
37:33
Mitchell out of Toledo is the first
37:35
offensive back taken. Smaller school,
37:37
but Nick Saban said on one of the
37:40
broadcasts last night that we begged him to
37:42
transfer in the transfer portal. And
37:44
he was like, no, I'm good at Toledo. I'm going to stay
37:46
here. But he was already viewed as one of those prospects. You
37:48
guys obviously had your eyes on to it, but it's a Senior
37:50
Bowl. Yeah. And I give his agent a
37:52
lot of credit. There was a lot of agents when Quinnon
37:55
was going through the agent process telling him not to come
37:57
to a mobile that he's probably going to be a late
37:59
first rounder anyway. Willie Cone. and improves his
38:01
stock. This guy was loyal to the group of
38:03
guys he came in with. He was loyal to
38:05
his coaches. And the thing he showed at the
38:07
Senior Bowl was what he could do in press
38:09
man coverage. Didn't see a lot of that to
38:11
Toledo. Big strong guy. And then he leaves Mobile
38:13
and runs 4-3-3 at the combine. The
38:16
dudes check in every box. And Philly needs help
38:18
at corner. This was a great pick by Howie.
38:21
One of the quarterbacks that we have not spoken
38:23
about much today at the second overall pick, Jayden
38:25
Daniels. You of course did the work on Jayden.
38:28
As a Senior Bowl director, what are
38:30
the Washington commanders fans getting in Jayden Daniels who
38:32
you've seen play for many years? Yeah, we have.
38:34
And I thought he was the most improved quarterback
38:36
two years ago in 2022. Then
38:38
he comes back this year. Everyone makes a big deal
38:40
of the progress he made this year. And he did.
38:43
But this guy's getting better and better and better. And
38:45
I thought this might be the pick. Spending time with
38:47
Dan Quinn in Seattle like I did and Adam Peters
38:49
in New England. I was with both those guys. Dan
38:52
Quinn was probably thinking, which one of these guys don't
38:54
wouldn't I want to defend? This
38:57
guy was going to keep defensive coordinators up at night.
38:59
So the pick makes a lot of sense. Jayden,
39:02
I was in Tuscaloosa for that Alabama game. And
39:04
watching him do what he did to Nick Saban's
39:06
defense, I mean, this kid's phenomenal. Are you surprised
39:08
by the order? How it went? Penix before McCarthy.
39:10
When we do this stuff, we do it and
39:13
every team has their board. But when it's all
39:15
said and done, we've got six quarterbacks going on
39:17
the top 12. And it goes Caleb Williams, Jayden
39:19
Daniels, Drake May 3, Penix
39:21
for McCarthy 5, Nick 6. Is
39:23
that how you had it? No, I mean, I
39:26
think it's the JJ Penix thing. Everything else
39:28
came off kind of true. I'll say
39:30
this about Michael Penix. I think he really built
39:32
steam once the coaches got involved in the process.
39:34
Because he has things you can't coach. You saw
39:36
him. You've seen him throw lives. I mean, you
39:38
can't coach that arm. You can't coach what he
39:40
can do from the pocket. So again, I think
39:42
the scouts maybe picked him apart a little bit,
39:44
some of the underneath accuracy. I think coaches think
39:46
they can clean that up. And then this guy
39:48
taking shots and the accuracy on the deep ball,
39:50
he can't coach that either. So that's why you
39:53
see Penix kind of make that late push. You
39:55
had all these guys at the senior ball. Are
39:57
you already looking at next year's quarterbacks? We
39:59
are. They are. I have not yet. I
40:01
kind of like to get through the draft and then
40:03
get on to the next year. Can you give us
40:05
one quarterback to watch for this next up in college
40:08
football season? Absolutely. You put me on the spot. I'll
40:10
say Carson Beckett, Georgia. I was just at their spring
40:12
game a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, he was really
40:14
good. He's talented. Had he come up
40:16
this year, would have went today. Probably would have went on
40:18
Friday. You wouldn't have put him in the top six out
40:20
of this crew? No, not
40:22
in this class. But coming back, he's one of those
40:25
guys. He's going to be in the first round mix
40:27
next year. He was really good a couple of Saturdays
40:29
ago when I saw him. Carson Beck. Carson
40:31
Beck, Georgia. We got to get your
40:33
mock draft 2025 ready. I'm
40:35
already on it. Jim Nagy, thanks so much for joining such
40:37
a friend to the NFL network. Of course, you can watch
40:39
the Senior Bowl in January every
40:41
year. And Jim is the executive director, runs the
40:44
showdown in Mobile, one of my favorite, favorite events
40:46
that we do. And of course, one
40:48
of the best things in the college football and pros. Guys,
40:52
I know you're hearing it from your wife. Please
40:54
don't get some sleep at some point. Eat some
40:56
food, drink your electrolytes. We've got
40:59
two more big days to talk about here on Good Morning
41:01
Football. We'll see you next. Don't
41:03
bring anyone home. Great job, James. You
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41:29
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