0:04

What's up, people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back

0:07

with another episode of Off the Edge with

0:09

Cam Jordan. Now as we gear

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it for another exciting season, I wanted to

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reflect on some of the incredible guests I had the pleasure

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of sitting down with last season. But hey, don't

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worry, though, I got you new episodes

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coming your way real soon. Relax,

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I got you. But in the meantime, in between

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time, let's rewind and

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play back some of my favorite interviews from

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season one. For the grand finale

0:31

of our best season one interviews, I got something

0:33

special lined up for you, and not just because

0:35

he's lined up against opposing quarterbacks. We're

0:38

spotlighting a young star on the rise. But

0:40

don't let his age fool you. This guy's

0:42

wise beyond his years. I'm talking about none

0:44

other than Giants defensive end Kavon

0:47

Thibodeau. So

0:57

I appreciate you for tapping in a

0:59

young bull, young gun, a young killer off

1:01

the Edge, Cavon Thibodeaux from

1:04

from Oregon. You know, fifth pick

1:06

overall and twenty twenty two second

1:08

year ran boy.

1:09

Went for for more than ten sacks, bro.

1:11

I just appreciate you tapping in with me. I mean

1:13

beyond sacks. You know, you still pushed in another

1:16

fifty tackles. You know what to work. We

1:18

played all this year and you know you were a menace.

1:20

You were a minis on the line and I love them.

1:22

I love to see the best of us, the best of

1:24

us this time.

1:25

Bro, you had a kid named Tommy

1:27

Cutlet spinning that thing.

1:29

Yeah, it's one for the young bulls. You know, he almost

1:31

got it done.

1:31

We gotta keep going, absolutely when

1:34

you have a forty million dollars quarterback that you hope

1:36

to you know, be playing. Look, I've been in that position where I've

1:38

seen our starter quarterback go down

1:40

and the next man up have to go and.

1:42

You could win, you could win some. But so I'm

1:44

gonna get away it.

1:45

Get tough, Yeah, get to deep

1:48

end.

1:48

Yeah, when you go from a Desert Eagle to a smith and West

1:50

and you're like, all right, we can get the job done.

1:53

So the second year, man, what changed for you this year?

1:56

You talk about for the first year you got actially made. The

1:58

second year you turned it up.

2:00

Man.

2:01

Just the comfortability, you know you talk about being

2:04

second year in the system, second year, you

2:06

know, going against the best

2:08

guys in the league, or the best guys in the world, I should

2:10

say, you just start to feel more comfortable.

2:13

You get a little more time to rest, you get more

2:15

time off.

2:15

You know, obviously coming off college,

2:17

you got the draft and all that to prepare

2:20

for, so you never actually get your body

2:22

time to rest and time to you know, focus

2:24

on football.

2:26

You know.

2:26

So now I.

2:27

Had a full off season last year. I was able to come

2:29

in.

2:29

I was able to really focus on the game and

2:31

how to get better and what I need to get better at. And

2:34

then you know, I was able to and

2:37

then playing alongside guys obviously Dexter Lawrence

2:39

learning how to rush the passer with you

2:41

know, other guys Leonard Williams, he got traded, but you know

2:43

that was a guy who kind of helped develop my game.

2:45

And then Disse on the.

2:46

Other side, and every other man that's kind of stepped

2:48

up and been a part of the front. We've

2:51

just been you know, they've been a vessel and they've been there

2:53

to you know, help me grow and we've learned how to rush

2:56

as a unit, and that's kind of that's was a testament

2:58

to you know, the players we're making that.

3:00

PC answer, Yeah, yeah, give Flowers to

3:02

everybody. I can't. I got to go

3:04

to big your big grol step.

3:06

You clearly hooped in high school, Big

3:08

big, big yearl step. I see what you did there, big

3:10

lag big Lane. From the film that I've

3:12

watched. I mean, you know, your first year, you show,

3:14

you show some glimpses. This year it seemed like, you know, I

3:17

don't.

3:17

Know how to say that without having to say pause.

3:19

You learn how to use your length more like it's

3:22

crazy work to help out, you.

3:23

Know, but as a deepens of m bro you learn how

3:25

to extend your arms out, lockout and as

3:28

well as uh, you know, your long arm

3:30

and power sort of came into play.

3:32

So for me, you know, I used to use long arm in college.

3:34

But you start to play against guys that aren't

3:36

you know that they're not going forward

3:38

as much as guys were. You got Trent

3:40

William, you got you know, Peney Sewel, you got guys

3:42

across the league who are you're not You're not

3:44

gonna let a guy's two hundred and fifty five pounds

3:47

long army, you know. And for me as

3:49

a rookie, I you

3:51

know, you have that kind of in your head right, It's like

3:53

you're going to fight Mike Tyson. It's like, Okay, I know what this

3:56

guy has, so it kind of intimidates

3:58

you and what you can do. So me kind

4:00

of coming into the second year, I was able

4:02

to build that confidence in the moves that I've already

4:05

had, but you know, able to kind of believe

4:07

in them a little more and start to, uh, you

4:09

know, put them on display, no doubt.

4:12

Do you have a favorit pass social move now?

4:13

I mean I would say long arm.

4:15

You know that's always when you got when you are a guy with length,

4:17

obviously you know you got to keep guys at

4:19

a distance because I'm not the strongest guy.

4:21

I can't.

4:21

You know, you see a lot of guys kind of just move guys out

4:23

the way and dexter Lawrence Lenn Williams or guys

4:25

examples, even you are an example of that.

4:27

When you have a little more.

4:28

Weight behind you, you can't you know, you

4:30

can use your moves, you can throw them around. But me now being

4:32

able to use the long arm, keep the link and work off

4:35

of it. You know, you start to see how

4:37

there's so many moves and it's really just the angles.

4:39

Your angles are a lot better off the long arm

4:42

rather than like last year I was. There

4:44

was a lot of running around the quarterback and it was like I got pressures

4:46

and I got you know, hits. But I had

4:48

to kind of shorten that angle because you know,

4:50

guys are stepping up quarterbacks.

4:52

They get paid money, they do for a reason.

4:54

Yeah.

4:54

Look, I like to switch it up into in my mind,

4:56

is its three really really

4:58

two different angles. I think about the

5:00

speed angle, which is a vertical attack, and

5:03

I think about a power angle, which means I'm gonna set your

5:05

ass down, you know, And I say three at

5:07

three angles because then like there's sometimes where you

5:09

go into.

5:10

A wide nine ish.

5:12

And you you still angle

5:14

them down. So now instead of you know, meet no matter

5:16

what you think, it would be a speed angle, it's like a combination

5:19

coming.

5:20

You never yeah, you never realized how much geometry

5:22

was in football, right and

5:25

all the angles?

5:25

Ale, Yeah, it's crazy.

5:27

Hit a girl look girlfriend out

5:29

there like so so so bring that over here,

5:32

you know, like, oh you know how you know how to show in a stell?

5:34

Okay, come bringing it over here. Or a wife in my

5:36

case because you know I'm married with four kids.

5:39

Yeah, that's a good life, man, that's a good life. But

5:41

now I'm not there. Yeah, but I'm a crossover soon.

5:44

No, No, I mean a

5:46

relative as soon as relative.

5:48

When that mustache and beard drop and connect,

5:51

think about when the connect, We'll

5:53

talk about it.

5:54

No, don't do that, don't do that. Don't enjoy

5:57

enjoy, enjoy you know year two, enjoy

5:59

your three, four or five six, Maybe

6:01

introduce the idea.

6:04

Look, I think I got to your I

6:07

was like year four before people

6:10

noticed when when he started talking, he started whispering,

6:12

you know.

6:14

Because I'm gonna catch flat from wife you regardless,

6:16

So you know where exactly

6:18

do you want to go with it? But I'm

6:20

sure you watched the games this weekend, Bro, what what did you take

6:22

away from the Conference championship games?

6:24

Because basically we all want to be

6:26

there?

6:26

Oh man, obviously, Like dude, just

6:29

first, I could you know, I feel like a lot of

6:31

a lot of people were rooting for Lamar, and I'll just start

6:33

off with the Lamar Patrick Mahone's game.

6:35

A lot of people are rooting for Lamar.

6:37

Because of the flat

6:39

that he gets right, for his style of play

6:42

right, And I think us being players and us knowing

6:44

how to grind, like for example, you do a swim

6:46

move.

6:46

Your swim move is better than any swim move I've ever seen.

6:49

But I could promise that there are coaches or people

6:51

that probably told you along your lines that, oh,

6:54

the swim move is you know, that's not the move

6:56

or you know like that work.

6:58

You've heard that, and you've made it one hundred sacks,

7:00

you know, in counting whatever to get

7:03

to that point. But yeah, man, you talk about

7:05

a lot of guys seeing a guy like Lamar Jackson

7:07

and what he can do and what he brings to the game, and

7:10

you know, all the flak that he gets and all of the scrutiny

7:12

that he's under, uh, even though he

7:14

is one of the you know, greatest

7:16

athletic, you know, one of the greatest quarterbacks

7:19

of all time I think as far as athleticism

7:21

and.

7:21

Ability, athleticism crazy.

7:23

So you know, I feel like we're all

7:25

rooted for him, you know, watching the game. Obviously

7:27

the Baltimore has a great defense,

7:30

but I think, you know, Patrick Mahons, they's just been there

7:33

too many times. I hate to say, you've

7:35

just been there too many times. You've done it too many times.

7:38

King of the Hill. You got to prove them. You got to prove

7:40

them they wrong.

7:41

Because it's yeah, for super bowls

7:44

now in five or six years, even

7:46

without this one, three super bowls in five or.

7:47

Six years, got

7:50

Chris Jones in the middle, Chris George

7:53

car is just living. Shout

7:55

out to carloftas he's a boy. You know, we were in the

7:57

same Dravet class.

7:58

He's right right a minute,

8:00

a man crazy.

8:03

And then the young guys in the back end, you know, the dvs.

8:05

You gotta step up, you gotta make players, you gotta stop it,

8:07

and they making plays man.

8:10

And I would say, I would say on that, you know,

8:12

when you just talk about the game,

8:14

it's tough when you know you

8:16

are fighting.

8:17

That uphill battle, you know, and they fought.

8:19

They obviously fall to the end, but you

8:21

know it's it's tough, man, So they're

8:24

gonna get it, right.

8:24

I still I still see them being a good team.

8:26

If you give him back three plays as a Flowers

8:29

could have been touched, doown the you know the interception.

8:31

And left I left the house right

8:33

when he when he caught it, and he and he did the

8:35

he got the flag. I was leaving and I'm

8:37

like, oh yeah, they're gonna score and I come back and I

8:39

realized the score was the same. I'm like, yo, it was the

8:42

touchback rule.

8:43

What do you think about that? That touchback?

8:45

It is what he if you fall? I

8:47

love it, That's what I'm saying, Like, that's just

8:49

desserts. Like, don't we're not going to reward

8:52

you for you Like you're not going to get rewarded

8:54

for trying to be Superman. But at

8:56

the same time, but Flowers as young

8:58

as he is bro like especial seasons

9:01

he had as a rookie, Like he's gonna continue

9:03

building on that, like hopefully he uses

9:05

that as motivation becomes even like even more

9:07

of a dog, which he already was.

9:09

It happens to the best of us. That's one of the things

9:11

that you you wouldn't wish on anybody.

9:13

It's just you know, it happens, man,

9:15

you know and all that look on the same team, there was Marcus

9:17

Williams, like I believe his his rookie

9:20

year he had something similar happened like against

9:22

you know, New Orleans Saints playing Minnesota.

9:24

But God, why did you just bring

9:26

that up exactly?

9:28

Because that's like that's like the

9:30

level that was there, right so you

9:33

can be you know, where you could

9:35

pivot one of two ways. You can get down to yourself and

9:37

not be a better player than you were before, or

9:39

you become like Marcus Williams, who you

9:41

know, ended up getting a major contract

9:44

going crazy, had like seven picks like two

9:46

years, two seasons ago.

9:47

Like this, this is funny.

9:48

It's funny how you say that, because like for me, that was my

9:50

last year, like going four and a half sacks,

9:52

Like that's obviously not what I wanted to be

9:54

or what I wanted to do. But it was like for

9:57

me, you know, when you watch the game and you

10:00

understand football, it's like a scheme. There's

10:02

so much that goes into getting a sack. There's I

10:04

mean, it's.

10:05

You you can win, you can win all your reps

10:07

and still not get sacked.

10:08

Lets do not get a sack, and that's just that's the

10:11

game we play.

10:12

So for me, it was like at the time, it's like damn

10:14

man, Like people calling me bus people are like, oh,

10:16

this dude is you know, blah blah blah.

10:18

The media and your first sack was off, Like

10:21

let's even talk about it. But if your rookie year, your first

10:23

sack was off with lamar Jack for the

10:25

strip sack fumble really to like.

10:26

See it the way it was game,

10:29

Yeah, it was pretty

10:31

much it.

10:33

It was a blessing like you like,

10:35

that's what I'm saying.

10:36

So there's there's flashes like as a rookie, you'd

10:38

be like, all right, bet, this is what we can build off of. You

10:40

can't label you can't label a rookie a bus

10:42

like I don't think. I don't think there's there should be a

10:44

logility to do so like rooking your

10:47

one is foundation year, Now

10:49

show me something else.

10:50

It's definitely, it's definitely you know, building

10:52

grounds.

10:53

And I would say it's just tough, you know, when you're a kid going

10:55

through like you know, nineteen twenty twenty or probably

10:57

nineteen, but twenty twenty one, twenty two,

11:00

your kid going through, you know, and you got

11:02

the world at your hands basically, and it's like even

11:04

like you know, like you said, it's a flower situation, like

11:07

this kid is just trying to make as many.

11:08

Plays as possible.

11:10

You know, he's never been at a stage

11:12

bigger than this, so it's like he has to prove

11:15

you know, his legacy in one game.

11:16

And it's like stuff just man.

11:18

You know, sometimes the football guys, you know, sometimes the game

11:20

just goes away.

11:21

It goes and no doubt.

11:23

Hey, it's crazy you gonna bring up the football guys. You

11:25

know, Hey, them old coaches. You should

11:27

swear, man, you got to listen to the football guys.

11:29

I believe.

11:30

I believe, Yeah

11:33

you can.

11:33

I believe in a football outlying

11:36

source, brother Christian.

11:38

They can only be one guy.

11:39

Yeah yeah, yeah, not the word

11:41

we should use it the football

11:43

energy.

11:44

Yeah there.

11:45

We got to respect the game. You gotta respect the old

11:47

coaches. We dropped that joint.

11:48

I came home one time, was like, man, the football gods,

11:50

and my mom looked at me. I was like, yes, ma'am, yeah,

11:53

not of clear, you're right, it

11:56

ain't that football outliers

11:59

energy.

12:00

I like, I like energy.

12:00

I might use that one. But so then you go to

12:03

you know, you checked out that game which pat

12:05

mahone boys, just it just is what it is.

12:08

He catches a lot of hate for his outside

12:10

circumstances.

12:11

People like people like did you see his dad

12:13

smoke a cigar?

12:13

Did you see his dad and

12:16

my dad his wife

12:18

being all happy and chipper? Can you like, I'm

12:21

like, bro, if people around me are

12:23

having success. I'm going to be the most annoying

12:25

mug out there. I'm like, I'm Jackson

12:27

Mahomes. I'm out there on the fifty yard like dancing.

12:29

You can come on, I'm tiktoking, I'm dancing.

12:32

I'm super Bowl every year. Come on,

12:34

bro, listen. I went to

12:36

the I went to the I went to the Bills,

12:38

the Bills Chiefs game. Right these

12:41

first, Taylor Swift got her own thing. It's it's it's

12:44

uh, you know, it got the it got the shade on the glass.

12:46

Right then the Mahomes families

12:48

on the other side, as soon as they open their

12:51

box, snowballs just come

12:53

flying in. Like the fan the Bills

12:55

fans are just lynching snowball and the dad,

12:58

you know, the dad is right in front, and it's just so because

13:00

he's you know, obviously he's not a part of the Shenanigans,

13:02

a TikTok and all the fun.

13:04

He's Jason.

13:05

Is that the way is that with Jason Kelsey like jumped on the.

13:07

Other side strow

13:10

Exactly. Yeah, it was definitely a time.

13:12

But when you when you're winning, it's nothing

13:14

people can do other than look for other reasons

13:17

to tear you down.

13:17

I don't like him because because I'm a winner that

13:21

he took over from Alex Smith.

13:22

And thinking about look, I just I

13:24

just seen a tweet that's like, yo, Patrick

13:27

Mahons is going to be the Michael Jordan of the NFL.

13:29

Like, watch how many quarterbacks? How many

13:31

great quarterbacks don't have a ring because of Patrick

13:33

Mahons. And I was like, yo, that that's

13:35

true. It's a bunch of Charles Barkley's and

13:38

you know all the rest of the guys. I was out there with Michael

13:41

Jordan's Yeah,

13:43

your thirteen without a ring.

13:45

I'm like, yo, I

14:03

got a question for you. So that was the thing that I saw in the NBA.

14:06

I think it was a gil rid Arenas and they were talking about

14:08

would you would you rather get, you

14:11

know, a fifty million dollar contract

14:13

and a ring or one hundred

14:15

million dollar contract and no ring.

14:18

I'd have to answer it. I don't

14:20

answer your question.

14:20

Don't answer it because of what the media is gonna say. Don't

14:22

aspen.

14:23

Oh, I've got no fear of media.

14:25

Look, I'm only going to ask this, does

14:27

it matter where? Because

14:30

it's gonna matter where for me because there's

14:32

places in this world like Buffalo.

14:34

Could not offer me enough money to get there too

14:37

cold.

14:38

Like bro, my my only

14:40

my only prayer before I got drafted was Lord,

14:42

don't send me anywhere cold Green

14:44

Bay. They could be like, oh, can, We're gonna

14:47

make you the highest paid defensive end at thirty five million

14:49

dollars a year, and I'd like, politely thank

14:51

you for your offer.

14:52

I'm gonna take something else. Yeah, okay,

14:54

I'm not Bro.

14:55

I'm never going to play somewhere cold, because after

14:57

you see, we're fighting over fifty MILLI dollars one hundred

14:59

million dollar.

15:00

That's still more money than I've ever wanted in my life.

15:02

I came in this game, I was like, Hey, I leave

15:05

with ten million dollars, I'm

15:07

never gonna have to work again.

15:10

Man.

15:11

What I was like, Yo, I was like, I

15:13

was like, if I leave with ten I never have to work

15:15

again, Mom, never have to work again.

15:17

We're good man.

15:18

I passed that up like by year

15:20

four or five, you know. So Like so

15:23

if you say fifty million dollars

15:25

in one hand, one hundred million dollars the other, no

15:28

ring, super Bowl ring. I'm taking a

15:30

super Bowl ring. But it's going to depend on the where. Yeah,

15:33

it's going to depend on where.

15:34

Get that.

15:35

If you say, yo, Kim, you can.

15:36

Stay in New Orleans for the fifty or you

15:38

have to go to New

15:40

England for a hundred, I'll be.

15:42

Right here in New Orleans jailing.

15:44

Yeah. Now if you say boys.

15:47

Right, if you say if you say fifty Kim

15:50

at Cleveland or a hunt of a buffalo,

15:53

I'm retired.

15:53

I'm gonna hit you with a drunk line.

15:55

So look, let's say you saw the future. Let's say you saw

15:57

the future.

15:58

Yeah, it's all got to be New Orleans only.

16:00

Four years ago. Four years ago.

16:02

Yeah, four years ago. They're like, look, we got two

16:04

million to come to come to Kansas

16:07

City, and you knew that what

16:09

the future is gonna be. I'm talking about today nothing, but

16:11

you knew they win the Super they're gonna

16:13

win the next you know, high ready Super Bowls?

16:16

What you're doing, I'm staying right here in

16:18

New Orleans.

16:18

Can That's what I like.

16:20

That's a great asswer don't do it.

16:21

But see

16:24

you already playing the cold half of it, because I'm not playing

16:26

in the cold. I've seen that, bro,

16:28

I ain't playing.

16:29

You played my first played my first cold game bro

16:31

at Year twelve in Cleveland. Negative

16:34

thirty and negative twenty five. It

16:36

was some dumb stuff. It was like it was like it

16:38

was like three degrees, but with the windshield it was like negative

16:41

twenty something. When I tell you, it affirmed

16:43

everything I've ever believed in. I was like, no, I don't play gold.

16:45

I played this game. I hated everybody. I

16:47

hated myself, like I'm not a good person

16:49

in the cold.

16:50

I was like, man, screw you, screw you.

16:53

I was like, no better when

16:55

you're losing in this cold, no better,

16:57

boy, man, I was saying the pain. So

17:00

so then you talk about the next game, you talk about the

17:02

Lions, and you talk about who do they just play?

17:04

Man?

17:06

Lions, Niners, And it's like you

17:08

just see like and for for them, it

17:10

was at the it was at the forty nine ers, right.

17:12

SI, Probably

17:15

it was. It was in San Francisco.

17:17

It was it was in San Francisco. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

17:19

You know, that's San Francisco, you know what I'm saying.

17:21

So North North Bay not really San

17:24

Francisco, but like North Bay.

17:25

Whatever, it ain't that bad. So but

17:28

you're talking about like that turmoil of

17:30

continuously playing. Like man, I felt those

17:32

Lions players like you going there and

17:34

it's like, man, you know you work

17:36

so hard. It's like you come up dish short.

17:40

The check ain't even worth it, check and

17:42

you can keep my check.

17:43

Bro.

17:44

I stopped watching after halftime. I left

17:46

it like it was enjoying my pizza. I

17:49

was like, I was like, all right, so this game over.

17:51

I was like playing with my kids doing some other

17:53

stuff. No, in fact, I think yeah. I

17:55

was back by then, bro, Like I was like, all right,

17:57

cool, come back. I look at look

18:00

up, it's the fourth quarter and it's tied up.

18:01

I said, what yeah, it's some ducks on that and some

18:03

ducks on that Niner team. We got some we got some ducks

18:05

on the you know, shout out to Pinasu, Man, I

18:07

mean, great player, great officer player. But you

18:10

know, the forty nine has got some of our guys too, so I'm

18:12

happy for him.

18:13

Scow ducks and look at the last of the pack.

18:15

Man, I don't even I don't even I don't even know how to feel about

18:18

that. Bro. In fact, beyond

18:20

the pack, like I was, I think when I left,

18:23

like that was the last year of packed ten.

18:25

Think about that. So then it went pack twelve some

18:27

I never claimed Colorado or Utah.

18:29

I was like, I

18:32

mean we beat Utah, but you tah, they

18:34

did beat that last time.

18:35

I mean calent horrible after I left,

18:37

so like Cali right, real

18:39

bad. And we used to we were scraping.

18:42

You know, y'all used to have some We used to have some battles

18:44

out out out.

18:45

In the Eugene and Eugene.

18:47

Yeah, man, we used to have some battles.

18:49

Deshaun Jackson going crazy my freshman

18:52

year gets y'all in Auton

18:54

back when it was like really rocking.

18:57

I mean it was right, it's still rocking, you know. I know,

18:59

Colch it's not much, but.

19:00

It's not the same. It's not the same. It's

19:03

not the same. I'm trying to.

19:05

Throw when I came back. Listen, when I came

19:07

back, I got I got ejected from a game.

19:09

I'm not talking about for y'all. I'm talking for cal.

19:11

It's not Yeah, we used

19:13

to pack seventy thousand.

19:14

It's like sixty eight thousand out like

19:17

people.

19:17

On the hills out there, roll you

19:19

bro, you couldn't buy them tickets.

19:21

Buzz refused to sell them to you. And I

19:23

think I see people. I think more people, more

19:25

people. Like there's a little there's a little hill right

19:27

right outside the stadium. I think more people

19:29

sit up there on that hill than.

19:31

In the stadium, no doubt.

19:32

Yeah for sure.

19:33

Oh it's bad, Like Cala.

19:36

I didn't know that was that many bootleggers.

19:37

And

19:40

it's crazy with their boot legging.

19:45

And that's crazy, like things have

19:47

changed. But I mean, you know, Oregon hasn't

19:49

organ so stayed the same. They got all that Nike

19:51

money. It was like

19:54

Uncle Phil Man, which leads me to

19:56

n I L. Though, Like what what's that even

19:58

hitting on? Like listen, you you one of the first

20:00

to really capture n I L and make

20:03

make you know everybody in the world jealous,

20:06

you know what I'm saying, Like you had n I L.

20:07

Like what did that even feel?

20:08

Like?

20:09

Knowing like you was.

20:10

Like you wasn't phenomenally like the sickest. It was

20:12

like the sickest. It was the sickest thing that could have

20:14

happened, and sick meaning great just

20:16

because you know, if you were equipped

20:19

with the infrastructure as far

20:21

as like knowledge and

20:23

people around you, I mean, it was dope.

20:25

So me. You know, I was able to make money

20:28

during the time.

20:28

But you talk about the money they're making now compared to when I was

20:30

making money, it's not even close, not

20:33

even we've.

20:33

Been saying, but you're always gonna say about the next

20:35

gen, like that's.

20:36

Just you know, it's inflation. It is what it

20:38

is, and it's like and that's what I think. Like

20:40

even the guys that didn't, you know, in the league that.

20:42

Didn't, it's like, yeah, I'm sorry for them, man,

20:45

they had like they had to walk so we could run.

20:46

Looking at it and looking at cow guys like yeah, man, you know,

20:49

like man, like compared to all the other schools, I'm

20:51

not making anything, like hey, I got this deal

20:53

and I got like ten grand,

20:55

ten grand, Hey boy,

20:57

you know what I was done with ten a test spot and

20:59

kind.

20:59

Of come on, come on.

21:01

But see, you know, the real the real problem

21:04

is that there's no there's no education infrastructure.

21:07

So now you're giving a bunch of a bunch of young

21:09

guys who.

21:11

Don't have any liabilities.

21:14

So if I don't have any liabilities, I don't have to worry

21:16

about what I use my assets on as

21:18

far as my money, you know, So It's like when

21:20

you talk about you're giving guys ten thousand,

21:22

twenty thousand, and thirty thousand. I had two cars

21:24

in college. Why did I have two cars in college?

21:27

Because I could? One was free and I

21:29

paid for one. Why would I pay for one when I got one

21:31

free? But it's just like having knowledge, having

21:33

understanding of what's important. And it's like, that's what I think

21:36

is what's missing. You know that in that

21:38

whole level or education,

21:41

you know, giving guys understanding that, like you

21:43

just hit for half a million, you got

21:45

to pay taxes on that big dog?

21:48

Who how to pay taxes on that big

21:50

dog?

21:51

And they we don't get we don't know that, we don't

21:53

know. I've never paid tax I've never had a job.

21:56

Right.

21:56

So it's like, you know when you talk about

21:58

the it's a it's a blessing, that a curse. And now

22:00

we just now that we have all of this, we got to go. You

22:02

know, we got to be proactive

22:04

about the information.

22:06

No doubt, I would say, how how is that navigating

22:08

that space? Do just like does college help out or is

22:11

it just like the wild wild West? You got to figure out so

22:13

for how to pay tax again?

22:15

Finance organ specifically we

22:18

had they created and this was a year I left.

22:20

They created something called Division Street, which

22:23

is basically what we just talked about.

22:24

It's an infrastructure for student

22:27

athletes.

22:27

To learn about an io, to learn about

22:29

business and basically give them resources

22:31

on you know, the things they need.

22:33

Let me manage course exactly.

22:35

But do your parents give you a check book? Here's a checkbook?

22:38

Do all schools do that? No?

22:41

Is it something that's regulated by the n C double A?

22:43

No?

22:43

Absolutely will it?

22:44

Will it be regulated by the nc double A when

22:46

they can put taxes on it, they

22:49

can make the peace. Yeah, when they can get

22:51

their tech.

22:51

But Nuba, you find a way to get they

22:53

cut of course.

22:55

Man.

22:55

They tried to tell us my first year that, like any deal,

22:57

you get registered in this database.

23:01

And I raised my hand and I said, so, what's gonna happen if we don't.

23:03

The lady said, they're still kind of figuring out

23:05

what the repercussions are. I said, so, I'm not gonna

23:08

tell you what I'm making. Are you stupid? I

23:10

was like, what it makes sense?

23:12

You want to tell you how much money I'm bringing in? So you got

23:15

come on.

23:16

There's a reason why you want this list, baby, and I can't

23:18

help you. Ain't

23:21

no way how I don't know

23:23

how much I can't.

23:25

I don't even know how to read a contract.

23:27

And then look and then when you talk about, you know, the

23:29

resources, Now, for me, I was the you know, a

23:31

high draft pick. So there

23:34

was already agents, we know, an agent

23:36

game. Everybody's reaching out and for me, I'm getting

23:38

I'm getting knowledge. I'm not going to steer

23:40

away these relationships.

23:41

I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna get everything I can.

23:43

So when when the time came, I kind of already had a

23:45

plan on what I was gonna do. You know, I was already a big

23:47

fan of Lebron, big fan of you know, the movement

23:49

of n I L. And when it happened,

23:51

it was like I was. I was ready for it.

23:54

Luckily, the first deal I did was with Phil

23:56

Knight, and it was like an n F T at the time. So

23:58

it was a space that he didn't know and I didn't know.

24:00

But we got.

24:01

People exactly, we got people who were

24:03

uh, he had people that

24:05

kind of showed me the way, and that was kind of that first step.

24:08

And then from there it was just like plug and play.

24:11

Right when your first in nail

24:13

deal coming from a man who mastered the business

24:15

plan, and what

24:18

you're gonna take you you gonna take five hundred grand or

24:21

have a sitting down with Jay Z.

24:22

I'm gonna sit down with Phil Knight.

24:24

Yeah, I'm gonna sit down. I'm still getting that. I ain't

24:26

gonna get five hundred but I'm gonna still make something off

24:28

of.

24:32

Man. We love we love that, all

24:34

right. So what was that transition, like, like from

24:37

from college to the NFL.

24:38

Because pre in I L boys got to league

24:40

and had to figure out how to have the you know, the produciary

24:42

responsibility of the finances to set

24:45

aside and figure out your life or you sort

24:47

of figure out in college, So that sort.

24:48

Of was it was.

24:49

It was it, you know, just neither here nor

24:51

there for you when you got to league. So did

24:53

that make it easier for you the transition or because

24:55

it's just like money?

24:57

It was definitely, it was definitely easier.

24:58

I say the bad part of the only it wasn't really

25:01

bad, But I say the only hard part was that

25:03

my taste got really expensive

25:05

faster than I would have hoped.

25:07

So it wasn't that I was a

25:09

guy who's you know.

25:12

With you.

25:13

Know, so it's not like I'm a goot to go blow my money, but it's

25:15

like, yo, I might as well just eat the highest

25:18

quality food, at the highest quality restaurants,

25:20

at the highest quality you know, Like it's

25:22

just you realize, like, man, I can, so why

25:24

wouldn't I? You know, And in that part

25:27

you have to understand the time

25:29

management. You know, people don't really realize like, yeah,

25:32

you get paid fifty million, forty million, thirty million,

25:34

but you still got thirty years left to live.

25:37

So it's like it's easy to go spend one

25:39

thousand dollars a day fifteen two hundred,

25:41

two thousand, one hundred and ten thousand dollars

25:43

every two weeks. But then it's

25:45

like, you know, that's gonna run out.

25:47

Or it's good while I'm playing, but what happens

25:49

beyond after I'm playing?

25:51

I'm over there.

25:51

So that was that was my idea.

25:53

That's been that's been my whole thing, where it's like, don't

25:55

keep all my eggs in one basket, continue

25:58

to you know, be open

26:00

to longevity.

26:02

Basically, no, man hey, look look

26:04

I put it like this my my rookie year,

26:06

I probably didn't spend that thing.

26:08

I paid for my car cash and was like.

26:10

This is my money and I need it now, Like I don't know how much

26:12

long I'm gonna play. But after that, my second year,

26:14

I was like, oh, I got to diversify the portfolio. I need

26:16

I need a rental property, I need this, I need this, I

26:18

need this.

26:19

Bro.

26:19

After my fifty year, I was like, bro, I just want to focus

26:21

on football.

26:23

And then I was like I like somewhere around like that fifty

26:25

or six year, I was like, all right, some moves

26:27

I've made, Like you know, the first off season, I go

26:29

to Vegas and you have a Vegas weekend the

26:32

professional way, you know what I'm saying.

26:33

Like living, living, living

26:36

or lavishly.

26:36

After your first one, you start thinking like, yeah,

26:38

I don't know how many more times I can.

26:39

Go to Vegas.

26:40

I'm not doing again. Hey look, I was thinking about

26:42

the super Bowl being in Vegas. I'm like, yeah, I got one day.

26:44

They getting six hours out of me. I'm

26:47

going I'm make sure my mama come with me.

26:49

Bro.

26:51

Literally, I be like this.

26:51

I'm like I'd be running things off, you

26:53

know, off the fam. I'm like, hey, like hey, bro,

26:56

how much you make a year and he was like, hey,

26:58

would you do this? And he was like, hey, that's crazy.

27:01

If I hear like a hype response from him. Yeah,

27:04

like I use.

27:05

Other people to ground me.

27:06

I'm like, I'm like, hey, mom, like, oh yeah, I

27:08

was thinking about you know, like my secondar in the

27:10

league.

27:10

I was like, I'm thinking about this Audi R eight. She's like, I don't

27:12

even know what. I was like, Mama's one hundred

27:14

eighty one hundred. I said, cool, okay,

27:17

bring me back to life. Bring me back to

27:19

life.

27:19

You know, like you gotta have some some some

27:21

sort of browning situation. Yeah,

27:25

because you can get into a locker room and you know,

27:28

keeping up with the Joneses, keeping up with the Joneses.

27:30

When you know your boy rolled in with the with the

27:33

whatever that keys by

27:35

what big big coming

27:38

in. You're like, I had the same tie

27:40

for eleven years and every year I'll be like, bro,

27:43

like I'm two models behind.

27:44

I should I should go ahead? And that at

27:48

some point where you're like why, I.

27:50

Rolle like what what iPhone

27:52

do you have? Right now?

27:53

I have no clue what iPhone I have?

27:56

Fourteen fourteen, but it's got a crack in it, so

27:58

the fifteen is probably happening.

28:00

Yeah, that's gonna happen.

28:00

But like once you get it, it's just like we

28:03

we upgrade because we can. But then it's like,

28:05

you know, you get to a point where it's like, man, oh this is

28:07

the same thing.

28:08

Until until the phone starts slowing down on

28:10

me. I'm used to rocket for my

28:12

rule is like every two or three years, so like yeah,

28:15

two or three yeah, but I got a crack

28:17

in it, so like it's gonna have to.

28:20

It's sad because look, if you ask Cam ten years

28:22

ago, his phone had a crack in and he was taking it down to the

28:24

place on the corner getting it fixed by one.

28:27

Of the one of the places for sixty bucks.

28:29

Now he just get a whole phone up.

28:30

Ain't you done?

28:33

Changed up?

28:33

Can changed up?

28:34

You?

28:34

Boo?

28:35

Hey boom, there's some there's some things

28:37

in life you don't fight. Come on, I

28:39

feel like I feel like that one. Hey, traveling.

28:42

Traveling is that one thing for me. Like I may be

28:44

tight, I mean be a tight wad, and a lot of places

28:46

in my life we travel. I'm here to

28:48

sleep, the best, eat, the best

28:51

marshal, the best commercial I've ever seen was why

28:54

save during your travel when you

28:56

can save on your travel.

28:58

I was like, yeah, I would ever

29:00

want to be that guy that have to save during the travel.

29:03

It was a great commercial. I was a great commercial.

29:07

Was there is there any place that you've traveled so far that.

29:09

You like, dang man, I've done

29:11

kind of my first year, I did like a world tour. So I

29:14

did uh Dominican Republic first I

29:16

did, and then I went to

29:19

where I go, Jamaica. Then I went to

29:22

Africa. I went to South Africa. Then

29:24

I went to Hawaii, then I went to

29:27

Uhos.

29:29

I went to Botswana. It's the city I went to.

29:31

I flew into Johannesburg and then like

29:33

we drove about five hours to a small

29:36

country probably only hold like I think a million

29:38

people.

29:39

It was called Botswana.

29:41

Though, and we drove through they

29:43

say the caves

29:46

or the mountains where the first remains

29:48

of humans were found, so literally

29:50

like civilization. Yeah,

29:52

the first people walked the earth. We kind of

29:54

drove past. So that was pretty dope.

29:56

Uh. And then this year I'm going to Spain,

30:00

going to trying to put something

30:02

together.

30:02

Nigeria.

30:03

I just did my DNA test found out I was Nigerian.

30:05

So I'm gonna try to go out there

30:07

and uh and go get some knowledge

30:09

and some you know history

30:12

Spain. Yes, San, go

30:15

to Barcelona. Yeah, I'm going to Barcelona. Then go down

30:17

to Uh.

30:18

Uh, I'm gonna go to I'm flying to Paris,

30:20

go to Barcelona, stay in Paris for a couple of days, go

30:23

to Barcelona and then uh.

30:25

There's another place called something

30:27

would end, but it's an island, Mosique

30:32

Modico.

30:34

There's a few of them. I'm gonna just simply

30:37

say add in San.

30:38

Sebastian, San Sebastian,

30:40

it's.

30:41

Right there by if you find

30:43

in the France first right, it's right there.

30:45

It's a connection area of France and

30:48

Spain on the what

30:51

the Poconos, Poconese whatever mountains.

30:54

My geography is the worst. It's

30:56

it's Basque country.

30:57

But it's one of the most beautiful spots that I

30:59

think I've seen it eight Like think think

31:01

of a fire city that meets like beach

31:04

and whatever it is, it is beautiful. Seastian,

31:08

Bill Bao, San Sebastian. You gotta go to a

31:10

soccer game.

31:10

It's this.

31:12

Yeah, you gotta go check you gotta check it out. Anyways,

31:15

it's funny just to hear you talking. Like I've seen you talk

31:17

before, you know, pre draft whatever that was

31:19

going through. But it's like you talk well beyond

31:21

your years, bro, and even this year,

31:23

it seems like you've become so sort of like a vocal

31:25

leader even as a young kid. Then

31:28

I say kid, because you know, second year you got to

31:30

ten years, you.

31:32

Got thirteen two.

31:34

Hey, bro, that's that sort of happened

31:37

for me.

31:37

Bro, Like my second third year of the league, all

31:39

the old heads got sort of pushed out, went

31:41

to another team, got paid whatever it

31:43

was. I looked around and I was like, from

31:46

a rookie to event, like was my life? You know what

31:48

I'm saying, Like, eh like that. So

31:50

you know you talk about you just being like a

31:52

vocal leader early on this stage? Is it?

31:54

You know?

31:55

The is it the factors that contribute to that

31:57

is like your willingness to be that, to step into

31:59

it, because I mean you you still had up

32:01

until halfway through the season, you had Little Williams. Yeah,

32:03

you got Sexy Dexi over there. You know, you got

32:05

some old heads. But it seems like the more

32:07

you talk, the more you amped up. Came that spark for

32:10

your defense.

32:10

So you know, I.

32:11

Would say, first, you know, when it talks about

32:13

leadership is position first

32:16

based off of quarterback, running

32:18

back, middle, linebacker, safety,

32:21

guys who you know kind of are the

32:23

focal points of the defense or of the offense.

32:25

So that's kind of the initial leadership

32:28

role. And then Dexter Lawrence obviously who's the biggest guy

32:30

you know in the room, right.

32:31

It makes no you know when a guy.

32:34

But then it comes to play right, And I think

32:36

that's the big component that you

32:39

learn once you start to you

32:41

get into the league that it's all about how

32:43

much you contribute on the field and

32:46

if you're able to contribute on the field. So even

32:48

my first year, like you know, you want to lead guys,

32:50

but if you ain't making plays anybody listening,

32:53

that's the truth behind it. So then once

32:55

you know, the second year comes and now it's like, okay,

32:58

I'm more of an instrument in the defense. You

33:00

know, a couple guys leave, a couple guys get traded,

33:02

and now it's like there are voids that have to be filled.

33:04

In a team chemistry standpoint.

33:07

You know, that's when you have to make that decision

33:09

where you know are you going to be that guy.

33:11

To step in?

33:12

You know, And it's tough because people think

33:14

leadership is something that you

33:17

can choose. You know, it's not really

33:19

something you choose. It's something that your

33:21

teammates kind of kind of revere

33:23

you as you know. So for

33:26

me, I would say that it was just

33:28

learning how to be a leader. You know, you think

33:30

you know how to lead until it's time to lead, right,

33:33

and you think you have everything figured out or you think

33:35

you know what you're doing until you get

33:37

in adverse situations.

33:39

So for me man first year, you know, I think

33:41

it was just understanding the landscape, understanding where I

33:43

fit in, understand it, you know people. And

33:46

then second year it was okay, how

33:48

can I help my teammates

33:50

be their best selves?

33:52

Right?

33:53

So you know, before every game, I'm asking

33:55

Bobby, you know, my at the linebacker, I'm like, what do you need for

33:57

me.

33:57

For you to play your best? What?

33:58

What parts do you think I can support

34:01

your vision, you know, as a leader of the team and

34:03

be a support on the.

34:04

Same bobbys last night because I've never tried but

34:08

there yeah, okay,

34:10

okay, yeah, okay, okay.

34:12

Exactly that was a good and I never heard. Okay,

34:14

Okay, that's a good I like that.

34:16

I like that.

34:16

I'm gonna have to take that back to it. Yeah,

34:18

Oka. But he's he's definitely a true leader.

34:20

And I think you know, when it comes to leadership,

34:22

you have to kind of emulate certain people.

34:25

So I'm very blessed to have

34:27

a true leader, natural leader that I

34:29

can you know, emulate as far as off the field,

34:31

as far as taking care of your body, as far as watching film

34:33

and things like that to you know, continue

34:36

to be a vessel

34:38

for other teammates, younger teammates coming in

34:40

and things like that.

34:41

In fact, man, like I said, I love I love to

34:43

see the growth.

34:43

Bro.

34:44

I'm like, I'm looking forward to your your what are

34:46

you.

34:46

Looking forward to it?

34:47

And your three?

34:48

Man? Honestly, I'm just I'm chasing these

34:50

sacks.

34:50

Man.

34:50

You know, you know how that you know how that moment,

34:54

but you know how that feel to be to be in

34:56

the hunt. You know, it's it's it's

34:58

a great feeling because it's all is a new challenge. But

35:01

that's where I'm at. You know, obviously it's going in my

35:03

third year. Third years year for renegotiations.

35:06

If you're one of those guys, right if you're one

35:08

of the ones. So for me, you know, Michael

35:10

Strahan said one great thing to me. Seriously,

35:13

he said one great to me. Think to me when I got in the lead, he said,

35:15

you know, it's easy to be one

35:17

of the eleven guys on the field, but you want to be the one

35:20

out of the eleven.

35:20

And that's that that's that difference. So that's

35:23

kind of what I'm working on this year.

35:24

Shout out Mike, Come on,

35:27

Mike, Mike, friend that money.

35:31

Man, Mike straighthean definitely he's

35:34

a girl up watching that man. I was like, I want to be like

35:36

him.

35:36

And then I realized I was like, man, I'm too eighty five.

35:40

This is even so, this is even surreal because I was looking

35:42

at you like that. Now we're sitting here on the podcast, were

35:44

sitting here in the league together, and it's though,

35:46

for real, it's amazing.

35:47

I remember you were talking about it was one.

35:50

It was really you and von Miller are two guys that I've always

35:52

looked at, just on a vocal standpoint of people

35:54

who you know are going to give their tips

35:56

in pass rush. But you talk about you

35:58

know, I think you said something where you like

36:00

if you do it. If you go fast with bad

36:03

technique, you're okay. If you

36:05

go fast with good technique, you're

36:07

doing great. But if you go slow with bad

36:09

technique, you're.

36:10

Gonna be on the bench somewhere.

36:11

You said something like that, and that stuck

36:13

with me Like that, that stuck with me. That was something

36:15

that that I've taken.

36:16

And then you know, obviously there are gems that other,

36:19

you know, guys like you have been

36:21

dropping, and it's just up to the younger guys to keep

36:23

you know, using those gems and implement them

36:25

into your game.

36:26

Man, I'm trying to tell you.

36:28

Look, I learned I learned that one early

36:30

earlier, the young thing, because my rookie year I

36:32

was out there like, all right, well I got to play the run. I gotta

36:34

have this technique. But if you move slow,

36:36

even if it's the right answer.

36:38

You're wrong, don't matter, you're wrong.

36:40

But if you move fast and you'd be like you it's a

36:42

b and you missed the wrong one, you can still be in

36:44

the right spot.

36:45

And you think about a guy like you think about a guy like Max

36:47

Crosby, and you know he's a guy who right now is

36:50

the epitome of you just do it hard, do

36:52

it fast. Everything's gonna work out. He has

36:55

This is no knock to him. He has one

36:57

move.

36:58

That swipe is the most danger it's

37:00

move I've ever seen a human.

37:02

Dude, He's got to counterspin too.

37:06

His his swipe is stupid. But understand

37:09

how many guys are gonna keep getting got with the swipe.

37:12

How many guys are gonna keep getting got with the long arm,

37:14

how many guys gonna keep getting got with a swim.

37:16

Look, when you perfect your

37:18

craft, it doesn't matter about them. I said this

37:20

early, and often, an office a lineman is just office

37:22

a lineman. I'm now rushing against the quarterback

37:25

because I needn't know how fast he's releasing

37:27

the ball, because off's a lineman.

37:29

Their cattle. There's gonna be strong.

37:31

There's gonna be strong ones.

37:32

But whatever, I never swiped till I saw Max Crosby

37:35

get like thirteen sacks off all swipes. Then I

37:37

was like, you know what, I was like something

37:39

I need to figure out. I gotta figure it out. And then he

37:41

just plays hard.

37:42

Man. When you play hard and you play every snap, dude,

37:44

you reap the benefits of it.

37:46

Absolutely.

37:47

I was hoping you're gonna say, hey, I'm evolving to

37:49

a killer run stopper.

37:50

But you know what, I get it.

37:52

Look, age, that's

37:54

the no, no, no, see, don't overlook

37:56

the run. That is the difference to me between

37:59

a lot of past rushers out there. Uh

38:02

and let's say four down

38:04

football players. I told myself when I came

38:06

into Sleep, I'm be a four down guy. I'm not the biggest guy,

38:08

not the fastest guy, not the strongest guy, but I'm

38:11

going to be trustworthy on first down all the way to

38:13

fourth.

38:13

So when you talk about run stopping, you talk about things

38:16

like that, like that's you can't even rush the

38:18

passer unless you set in edge.

38:21

You got to I'm like, hey, I'll be waiting

38:23

for the move on my way. In fact, y'all

38:26

think I was.

38:26

I think I was damaged by then the whole high echo

38:28

Anloyd goes like, all I could do is stop the run.

38:30

Look.

38:31

Look, the

38:33

cold the coldest thing is when you see

38:35

guys like and to me, I I came out of

38:37

a system in college where it was like there was no jumping

38:39

around blocks to make a play

38:42

right, And it's like when you're in the league, though, it's

38:44

like, you know, you almost get frustrated

38:46

a little bit because it's like, yo, all these guys

38:48

are making these tackle for losses and

38:51

are jumping around blocks and I've a

38:53

gap and here you are, like but

38:56

and it's like me, you will, you

38:58

take it, you make it. And it's like you start to realize

39:00

that when you are a guy who has

39:03

the instinct and you have the trust within your coaches,

39:05

it's like, you gotta go play big and make big plays.

39:07

And you know, I

39:09

always think of a guy like TJ Watts.

39:11

TJ.

39:11

Watch go to the casino one time.

39:13

You go, you TJ Y get twenty sacks and he's

39:15

gonna get ten tackles for losses because he gonna jump them.

39:18

He gonna take it, he gonna he gonna play his game.

39:20

And it's amazing.

39:22

He knows his body type and he's like, look, what I'm

39:24

not here gonna do is is set the edge every

39:26

time against somebody who outweiys me by eighty

39:28

to ninety pounds. But what I can do is give

39:30

you all this movement. Oh, I can shoot up

39:32

the field. Oh and now now you're nervous, and now I'm underneath

39:35

and he also has got huge

39:38

interior d linemen like across the board.

39:41

But you know, but shoot, I appreciate

39:43

you, bro. I'm gonna wrap this up real quick.

39:44

Bro. I appreciate you tapping in with with

39:47

me on my podcast Off the Edge. Bro.

39:49

I see nothing but great things going for you.

39:51

So you know, if you had eleven sacks

39:53

this year, But I try and tell people, don't

39:55

worry about the sacks. Worry about your process, because the

39:57

sacks.

39:57

Are gonna come.

39:58

I mean, you

40:00

already built the process, so just keep on believing and keep

40:03

on striving for greatness.

40:04

Thank you, Thank you for having us. I appreciate

40:06

you, bro.

40:15

So there you have it. It's a wrap. I

40:18

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40:19

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40:21

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