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What's Up, Everybody? Welcome to the Season
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with Peter Schrager. We have now entered the
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month of April, which is Draft season
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s z N. It's
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my favorite time of year. And as I promised
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in our last podcast, although Good Morning Football
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is not on the air during
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Draft season, I will be churning
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out content and a lot of it will be through
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this podcast. Here I'm joined by the great Aaron
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Wang Kaufman. Aaron, how was your
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Easter weekend and how have you been?
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My friend?
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Pretty good? I mean it was unlike today. It was a
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pretty beautiful time in Brooklyn
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and New York. We've spent some time in Prospect Park,
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went for some runs, you know, I had
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some good outdoor time finally.
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Which I feel like I love hearing. It been a little cold.
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So can I ask you have you
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been caught up in the Caitlin Clark hysteria
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at all? Caught
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up?
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I mean I am aware
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of it. I will admit
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I am more closely following
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NBA right now than I am more interesting.
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Really typically for me, like
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once the NFL ends is when I really
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get into the NBA and
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like I don't. I don't watch a ton of
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NBA games during the NFL season, but the
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NFL season ends, like then I'm like full
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in on washing NBA. Uh,
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And I think there are a lot of great storylines there. I have
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just watched clips and highlights of.
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Okay, I watched a full Dame full
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game last night. Lsu I was She's unbelievable
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and I've been a fan of her for some time and not
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name dropping here, she and I text quite
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a bit. The reason being, and
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this goes back three years
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to the Combine. The
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women's Beak ten tournament
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was in Indianapolis. I guess two years
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ago. It wasn't my last year's year before, and
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Iowa was staying in the same hotel as me,
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and I'm at the bar and the Iowa
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Athletic director or the
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SID whoever it was, and I started talking
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and she's talking to me about you know,
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Caitlyn loves the
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Chiefs. She loves Patrick Mahomes,
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she loves it all. So I reach out to Brett Veach,
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the general manager of the Kansas City Chiefs, and I'm
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like, are you aware that Kitlyn Clark absolutely
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loves Mahomes and the Chiefs, and
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he goes, yes, we've been I'm aware of it, but
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I've never had a chance to connect. And
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then I got through this sid
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in contact with Kitlyn Clark. I put her
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in contact with Brett Veach. We we have a text
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chain, the three of us, and Veach
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is like her biggest cheerleader. Obviously
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you see her in all these state formads. She is
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a legit Chiefs fan. She went Christmas
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Day if I'm not mistaken, and like, let
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us all know that she was going. They lost to the Raiders
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that day. But Caitlyn Clark is no
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joke a football fan. Knows her
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Chiefs inside and out. And there's
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like pictures of her like from
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her childhood wearing I don't
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even know which player, probably like a priest Homes
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jersey or something. But is she from Iowa
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though she's not even from Kansas, not from Kansas
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City. There's no like geographical
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connection. I'm sure there is some action.
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I'm from Buffalo and one Bill's fans, so I get
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that totally makes sense.
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So she loves the Chiefs and I tweeted
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last night I said, she's my Homes,
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she has ten threes and forty one points, and like
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everyone knows she's gonna do it to you, and she does it anyway. About
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a haters, I love it. People are like she's not one
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shit yet and I'm like, well yeah. They're
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like, she's taking this IOWA team past
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at defending champions to the final four and last
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year she went to the finals. They're like, nope,
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until she went to chips, she ain't Mahomes. Bro. I'm
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like, all right, you know what, I respect
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that. If we're gonna talk about women
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athletes and in a fair and equal way with men's
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athletes, we judge these NFL
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players by their chips and by their by
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their championships, and into this case, until phil
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Caitlyn Clark gets one, maybe two,
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maybe three, maybe we shouldn't put her in the same breath as
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Mahomes real quick.
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The one the one complaint
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about the comparison is that she hasn't won
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a championship. That's pretty amazing. That's
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like good right.
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Like it's like no one's saying, like, no, she's not as athletically
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gifted, or she's not as great an ambassador
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of the sport. I love watching her.
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I loved watching the Yukon shooter yesterday
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Page Bruckers, who, by the way, is
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coming off multiple knee injuries and
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is doing, you know, carrying this team
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on her back. So I mean on the women's
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tournament. But I have to tell you, yeah,
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the men's tournament has been
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such a love story for me and my son,
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and this is gonna get sentimental. So he's seven years
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old. I get the news that Good
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Morning Football is going on hiatus and
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there's a move and there's relocation, and it's a
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lot and it's emotional and I don't know how
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to tell them. We I really haven't told him. We're trying to figure
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it all out, like how we talk about this. But
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then the tournament starts and I'm like,
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okay, I'm like, well, let me explain
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to you seven years old, I'm explain to you what bracket is.
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So he fills out the bracket with me, and
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he's got some upsets and like he has
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Yukon and Purdue and
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he's like super into both teams. And we
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go on vacation to South Carolina and
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this is like such like lifetime
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memories and I don't know
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why. And I still like mad Dog Russo here. But these
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NCAA tournament games start at ten o'clock at
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night, Like it's completely insane. I don't know who stays
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up for these games, but yes, these
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games are late night games. Fine and
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I and we're all in the same hotel
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room. We got the baby in a crib, we got
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my son. I'm like, we can't have the music. We have
5:40
the sound on, but we can do it. Mute. Mommy's
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gonna try to go to bed. And he's in this little
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cot and he's staying up till
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midnight watching Alabama Clemson
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and watch and like staying up and
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he's into it and he wakes up the next morning. And here's
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the best part. We're in a
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no money free bracket on Yahoo
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where it's just our family, my wife, him
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and me, and he's in first place and
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he's excited. But there's this little tab it
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says leaderboard, and
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if you click on that tab, it is everyone
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who's put a bracket in on Yahoo. My
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son is following this as if it's the
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NFL playoffs and standings and tiebreakers,
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and he's he's like, Dale's
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in first place right now, but Dale actually
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has Alabama.
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You know, beating Yukon or
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Alabama. Yeah, Alabama beating Ucon So Dale's
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not gonna win. And there's this guy named Ed all
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right, and I feel like if I was still writing
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a sports chart, like I would write like, uh it
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was Mitch album piece or Rick Riley pieces on
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this Ed on the Yahoo
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leaderboard, Ed has
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NC State in
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there in his final four that he has NC
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State beating Yukon
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in the NCAA finals, and
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Ed right now is in first place. Mel is obsessed with
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Ed's bracket every morning wakes up. He's like, because
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Ed's still in first I'm like, yes, there hasn't been
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any game since NC State won unbeat
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Duke. So Ed, Ed, if you're a
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listener of the Sea and you have the number
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one bracket in all of Yahoo right now, because
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you're the only person anywhere who's got to left
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and c at NC State, know that you've got a fan in my
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son and a fan in me. I would love to meet Ed.
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And Mel thinks it's so funny that his name is just Ed.
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It's not some crazy bracket like, you
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know, we all have our bracket names. He's
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just Ed, so Ed Yahoo
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number one, which is a good segue to
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our guest right now, as ed has NC
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State and maybe
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the most captivating
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college basketball player in recent history,
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this Dj Burns. He's listed at
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six nine two and seventy five pounds,
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big body, he doesn't jump, he
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just scores and has got incredible footwork and
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uses his as Bill Rafford says, his dvery
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air, it's to to
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his maximum mobility. I love watching
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him play. I had a tweet saying that
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a general manager and a scout multiple
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ones actually were talking to me about
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if he had a pro day that people
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would show up, and it blew up on Monday, and
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I figured who better to have talk about Jay
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Burns as an NFL prospect then
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a guy who was a front office
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member of six different Super Bowl teams and has
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won four of them and runs the Senior Bowl. Jim
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Naggy. It's a pleasure to do
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this podcast with you, Aaron. Jim Naggy's great.
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Can't wait to talk to him about Dj Burns,
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an NFL prospect coming
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up after this. Our
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guest this week is a dear friend of mine and one
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of my favorite people to talk NFL
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Draft but also football in general.
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We've had him on before
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on the season with Peter Schreger.
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He is the executive director of
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the Reese's Senior Bowl. He's an
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eighteen year NFL scout,
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and he's a four time Super
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Bowl champion as a front office
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member. Mister Jim Naggy, Welcome back to the season
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with Peter Schreger.
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Peter, thanks for having me back on. It's going
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to be fun.
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Yes, it is going to be fun. We are less than a month
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away. We are now officially in April, and I plan
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on having you on multiple times in
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the lead up of the draft. But I specifically
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wanted to have you on because of a
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tweet that I put out yesterday morning
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that I didn't realize would cause a
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maustrom of
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vitriol support
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attention. I've been asked to go on no
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less than twenty different talk radio
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shows over the last forty eight hours over
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a tweet that I had. In
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fact, I will read you my tweet that I
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had, as I think it's the last tweet
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I've put out there, and if you're not on Twitter, I'm
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sure you can gather what
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I was referring to. Here's my tweet. April
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first spoke to
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and texted multiple scouts and GMS
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about North Carolina State big man
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DJ Burns as an NFL offensive
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tackle prospect over the last twenty four hours.
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Fact I did. He
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is listed at six ' nine, but he's probably
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six seven. He's got a plus footwork,
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would get a big turnout and
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potentially money if he participated
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in a pro day or workout the week after
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the Final four. By potentially money, I meant
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could get drafted, we get signed as a as
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a undrafted free agent. I
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put that tweet out not thinking anything
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of it. It has twelve million impressions,
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two point four thousand
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reposts, and over one
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thousand comments, most
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of them assuming it was either an April
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fool's gag or
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I am some sort of idiot
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for suggesting as much, which is what is
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the nature of online now. Yesterday,
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yesterday, Jim Nagy, who I trust more
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than anybody when it comes to NFL draft
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and scouting and the like, posts
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the following tweet got text
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from a GM, an assistant GM, and
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a college director. With an hour of posting
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this last Friday night, there is NFL
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in and DJ Burns and it is a real thing.
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And last Friday night you posted
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somebody said anyone else having trouble watching NC
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State big man DJ Burns and not thinking about him
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kick sliding and pass protection or getting out on
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tolls. Can't just be me, And
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then a few hours later, yesterday he wrote,
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I don't do lame April Fools
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posts, Jim. The reaction to your
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tweet suggesting him as just a
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potential offensive
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lineman in the NFL was what.
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Well, a couple of things here.
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First, Peter, like mine got a lot of traction,
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but not twelve million like yours
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did. I don't have quite the following. Man,
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I just you know, it's kind of a sickness for football
11:44
people. You can't watch you can't watch
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hoops without your brain going to what
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could this guy be on a football field? And
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so yeah, I threw that out last Friday night, and
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again three rebuddies hit me up. I came, ah, I'm
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watching the game. I was thinking the same thing. So
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many things have to happen for this got to be a football
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player. I'm not saying he's gonna be on an NFL
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football field next Well that's not what I'm saying.
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But with that, with that body type, I'm
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with you. They list him at six ' nine. I'm
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I'm guessing NFL scouts and probably
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get him at six seven. He's probably
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not the two seventy five he's list. Dad, he's probably
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north of three bills. But
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it's just an exercise you do, man, You what you watch?
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You know, kind of a long six ' three guard with
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long arms, ding guys up and with great movement,
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lateral movement, in reactiveness.
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I mean, you know, you think what that guy
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looks like at corner corner?
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So so yeah, I mean I just threw that out
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in the middle of March madness because
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I don't watch a lot of basketball anymore. I
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mean, saw this DJ Burns guy doing his thing,
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and uh, it's kind of blown up. I mean, so
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yes, So yesterday Bleacher Report picked
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up my thing and next thing, you know, my son
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texts me like, hey, Dad, you're in our You're in
12:50
our buddies group chat right
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now.
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Like what's going on? So it's been Yeah,
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it's been kind of crazy.
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It's a perfect storm of a little
12:58
bit of a lull in the draft season and
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then this incredible Cinderella ride
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and you and I as football
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people, and I saw several different
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football people and my phone also blowing
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up with not just NFL
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fan at GMS
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saying I would do anything to
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get my hands on just to see what a raw you
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know. So what really spurred my
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tweet was, I don't know his title.
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He's ad a organization, he's been there for years
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and he's the number two guy there. I don't know the official
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title. I said to him,
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am I crazy? And that this guy could
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have a pro day workout and NFL teams would
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flock to it. And he said, yeah,
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one hundred NFL teams would flock
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to it, and he can make quite a bit of money.
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And he started listening names. He was like Ji Lewis
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at George Mason was not
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even close to his mobile and as Gifton footwork
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wise, this guy and he got a tryout and
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team showed up. And you go through
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it, whether it be Moley Cox or
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whether it be in recent
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years, George Fant at a Western Kentucky.
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There is a place in the Rico gathers
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at a Baylor. These were college basketball
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players in the torn minute. And maybe
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it makes NFL luddites,
14:11
an NFL knuckleheads like us look
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like we're you know, our heads in the sand. And
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it takes an NCAA tournament run to notice
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these guys because at Winthrop he was
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the conference player of the year. It's not like he wasn't doing
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it. But sometimes on the grand
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stage, when you have a performance like
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this, it does open eyes and people
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start thinking in football terms, and I will
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put my name on it, and I think I'm pretty reliable
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on this stuff. If he was to have a pro day
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next week, there would be teams
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that would show up, and I think there might be a full
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Arsenal love team showing up. Am I wrong?
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You are one hundred percent right, Peter? Just to unpack
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a couple of those things, those names you talked about.
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When I was with the Seahawks, we had mow Ally
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Cox walking the halls on a thirty visit at this
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time of year.
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After his pro day, he was up into the building.
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We drafted George or no, we got George
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Fans, an undrafted free agent. If
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I could go back, like, I got to hit up some guys
15:04
in Seattle to see if they can send me his
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pro video.
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Let me hear so Hey's at Western Kentucky.
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He played I want to say, one year
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of college ball. He did play the football
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right.
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He did he put out a helmet, but he barely
15:17
played.
15:17
He barely played, and we put
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him through a tight end workout at the Pro day, and
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all I remember is the red zone drill.
15:24
They were throwing in red zone fades, and
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here's this guy that's like, at the time two
15:28
hundred and eighty pounds maybe just
15:31
getting off the ground. It was unbelievable, the
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body control, of the leaping ability. And
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you know, a long story short now whatever it is. Ten years
15:37
later, he's been in the league forever and he's bepent on a tackle.
15:39
They you know, we put a bunch of weight on him
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and just.
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Had a great NFL career.
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I mean, I started a ton
15:45
of games, so no the league would
15:47
show up. And the other thing I'll say, after
15:49
all this stuff happened yesterday and all this your
15:51
stuff's catching fire. A buddy
15:54
of mine who's a scout that lives in the
15:56
research triangle there in North
15:58
Carolina, really close to Raleigh. He
16:00
texted me he was like, man, you are killing
16:02
me right now with these sweets.
16:04
He's like, I was his
16:07
hope.
16:07
His hope was NC State gets bounced in
16:09
the first round or in the first couple of rounds. Yeah,
16:11
and then he was gonna try to sneak in and get over there
16:13
and work them on himself, and you know, stash
16:15
the guy away and sign him after the draft. He's
16:18
like, well, now that's not that's not in the
16:20
in the cards, because you're right. If they had a pro day,
16:23
man over half of the league would probably be there.
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I would get Yeah.
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And here's the thing, and you said it when
16:28
you were talking about it. We're not suggesting
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he won't have a fine NBA career.
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We're not suggesting he's limited and basketball
16:34
is not a future. We're just saying
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you see that body. You see how
16:40
nimbly is You see the way he moves
16:42
in the paint. That is offensive lineman,
16:44
footwork man, that all that stuff that he's doing,
16:46
the drop step, all this stuff that is that
16:48
is stuff that that offensive line coaches
16:51
spend years trying to develop. You
16:53
see it already with that Yeah.
16:55
Yeah, And you and I are an NBA scouts.
16:57
I have no idea what I'm looking at.
16:59
You know, when it comes to the projection of the to
17:01
the National Basketball Association.
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And I'm sure he could play overseas.
17:05
There's a lot of basketball probably, but all
17:07
you and I were on the same page, Like it's the whole
17:10
curiosity thing is what would it look
17:12
like with Pats?
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That's all it was.
17:14
That's all it is. Now what would it take then
17:16
from this stage going from
17:18
now put on in your front office hat. Say
17:21
they lose or they win, say they win found
17:23
you know, whatever they be. I think they who does NC
17:26
State play that they play Purdue? So it's him and
17:28
Zach Edie, which I am excited to see.
17:31
Let's say they lose on Saturday, and
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let's say he has a pro day. What
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what would be the workout you would put him through
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if you were to be the person who was at the PRODA
17:40
and wanted to actually see him do football exercises?
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Yeah, great question. It's gonna
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have to happen quickly, you know, with
17:49
nil stuff. I'm sure he has an agent,
17:51
now that's probably not an NFL certified
17:53
agent, contract agent. I'm sure there's a
17:55
lot of those guys right now that might be scrambling
17:57
to get away to uh to DJ Burns
18:00
right now. But it's gonna have It would have to
18:02
come together quickly because we got the draft here and
18:04
you know, less than a month. But
18:06
I would try to do all like a full workout
18:09
and run a forty do the shuttles, bench
18:11
press.
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I don't know.
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The guy probably hasn't been lived in a bunch in season.
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Although teams would love to know how strong he is.
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That's gonna be. That's a big component of it as.
18:18
Well height and weight.
18:19
Right, you'd measure him, Oh yeah.
18:21
You certainly measure him. You
18:23
do all, you know, a three cone short shuttle, vertical,
18:26
broad jump, forty yard dash, all like
18:29
standard pro day stuff, and then
18:31
just have him go through an offensive line position workout.
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I've seen people say, well, what about tight end. That
18:35
doesn't look like a tight end body type to me. But
18:38
I would have him slide and you know, redirect
18:40
and pass set and you know, get out on pole.
18:42
See him open his hips up and get out and run all
18:45
that stuff. I'd see him, you know, pop a bag and see.
18:48
Now I did hear that he has played football.
18:50
And that's eight oh grade, eighth grade.
18:53
At least he.
18:53
Knows where, you know, thigh pads go in his
18:56
pants and everything. At least he's put on pads before.
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Because the guys that have made the you
19:00
know, the transition successfully, most
19:02
of them have played you're going back to like Antonio
19:05
Gates and Jim Like those guys
19:07
had played football in high school.
19:08
So so we would see, but it would be fun.
19:10
But yeah, I would put him through just a normal standard
19:13
pro day workout.
19:14
Yeah, I'm trying to think of some like guys like do you
19:16
remember Quinton Rollins played point
19:19
guard at Miami of Ohio and then that
19:21
I think a Packers draft him in the second or first round
19:23
as a corner. Like there's been guys who
19:25
have played high levels obviously at both
19:27
and we can go through the NFL history of
19:30
you know whoever it is. There's a
19:32
long litany of guys that have
19:35
played it. But I you know, I look
19:37
back at like Vida Veya had
19:39
a very very decorated high school
19:41
basketball career. Quentin Nelson, I believe went
19:43
to Red Bank Catholic or Red Bank Regional
19:45
in New Jersey and was like an all state player. Like,
19:48
it's not unprecedented for guys who played
19:50
high school ball to that make the transition.
19:53
What is unprecedented is to not play
19:55
any college football. And yet you
19:58
tell me Jordan Mei Alotta didn't play a snap
20:00
of football's entire life and got drafted,
20:02
wasn't just an undrafted guy by the Eagles
20:05
in the seventh round and is now one of the best offensive tackles
20:07
in the sport Becausejeff Sttlin coaches him up.
20:09
Yep, No, he came to mind yesterday.
20:13
I have done a couple podcasts and radio
20:15
shows like you talked about Malta came
20:17
up. He's he he would be a developmental
20:19
player, right, it would. It would take two or three years
20:21
probably in what we don't know.
20:24
The toughness thing is is probably
20:26
the biggest component that we don't know, right
20:29
And I love some of the Charles Barkley stories about
20:31
when he went out to play football one day in high school
20:33
and yeah, coaches like, all right, Charles, we'll see you tomorrow.
20:36
He's like, no, you won't. I'm good. I'm
20:38
good not doing that anymore.
20:40
So.
20:41
Yeah, it's just fun stuff to think about.
20:43
Uh. Pete Prisco, who is
20:45
polarizing too many online, is one of my favorite
20:47
guys because he says what he thinks and he's just always
20:49
been himself. He's real. He said,
20:52
slow it all down. You know, there's
20:55
football tough and there's basketball tough, and
20:57
we have no idea if he's football tough.
21:00
That's absolutely right. Yeah, Pete, Pete nailed
21:02
it.
21:02
Yeah, that's a big that's a big part
21:04
of it. And again, a lot of these projects have been
21:07
tight ends. A lot of these projections that have hit
21:09
have bet you know the Mo Walley Cox is the Jimmy
21:11
Grahams. Yeah, that's
21:13
a different position. You can flex those guys out
21:15
right and make those guys pass catchers. I mean,
21:17
if DJ Burns hits,
21:20
he would hit as an offensive lineman. And and there
21:22
are there are more finesse tackles
21:24
than than than others, and there's
21:26
power players, but it's there's a
21:28
there's an element of physicality regardless
21:31
if you're on the line of scrimmage.
21:33
So that is the great unknown.
21:35
Your buddy who lives in that area
21:37
was trying to keep it quiet. Do you think there's a lot
21:39
of those in the draft where
21:41
there's like, hey, this is a little undercover gem
21:44
that no one else has that that I know,
21:46
and we're not going to publicize it, but might
21:48
not be on the radar. And plays basketball
21:50
like, is there someone dedicated to that? And each
21:52
team I don't know how front offices work, but someone
21:55
put a tweet out who said, forget
21:58
what team, it might have been Denver or
22:00
New England, and it was like, since twenty
22:02
twenty two, this guy's been hired and his job
22:05
is to look at all college basketball
22:07
players and try to find the guys, you know,
22:09
the square for the
22:11
round peg that maybe the sport is wrong
22:13
and we can match him up and get into football. Is there
22:15
is that a dedicated job in a front office.
22:18
I've never known it to be a dedicated job. That's
22:20
a really good question, you know,
22:22
speaking to the guy that's up there. I mean, when
22:25
they're in your backyard, you might take your take
22:27
your kid to a basket college basketball game
22:29
and notice him or something like that. But these NFL
22:31
scouts don't have a lot of time to be on watching
22:33
college basketball on television. That's that's That's
22:35
one thing I'll say this after. I want
22:38
to say it might have been after maybe
22:41
after the Allie Cox year and
22:43
we had him up to Seattle. One
22:45
of the guys in our department in Seattle, you know, one
22:47
of the upper level guys, assigned it to all the
22:49
scouts. They broke up the country by
22:52
area scout and did a comprehensive
22:55
study of you know, I don't
22:57
know how he did it. I don't know how analytically he
22:59
broke it down, like what level of basketball player
23:01
they had to be Statistically, I don't know how he found
23:03
him, but he ran searches of guys that did play
23:05
high school for football. Then we're also like
23:08
starting level basketball players, and
23:10
we had to make calls. We had to make calls to
23:12
the basketball programs at schools, which is really
23:15
weird that year, you know, if you're reaching out to like
23:17
directors of basketball operations, those were
23:19
calls I was used to be used to making, And
23:21
I don't know if they still do that, but I know, at least for
23:23
a couple of years up in Seattle, we did that.
23:25
I love that because it shows picking
23:27
outside the box and creativity being
23:31
a football you know, media guy. I'm
23:33
not gonna say a football guy, but football media guy.
23:35
There was always this sensitivity where they'd
23:37
be like, well, if Alan Iverson played football,
23:40
he would be the best, or Randy not
23:42
Randy. If Lebron James played wide receiver,
23:44
he'd be the best wide receiver of all time and
23:46
time and time again. Football people would say,
23:49
slow down, you know, is there
23:51
a threat almost to the football community
23:53
when you hear someone like me tweet out
23:55
DJ Burns could be an offensive tackle in the NFL,
23:58
Like, is it insulting to those who dedicate their lives
24:00
to the position.
24:01
Peter, It shouldn't be. And you are a football guy,
24:04
dude, you sat down there seventy fifth You
24:07
knew that you knew all our seventy fifth guys career
24:10
highlights and everything. Year your football guy, it
24:12
shouldn't be threatening. And you know to
24:14
the lebron thing like, I'll talk about
24:16
Jimmy Graham a little bit. So I scouted
24:19
Jimmy Graham when he was coming out of Miami.
24:21
They had three tight ends that year. I think one was Clive
24:23
Warford. I can't remember who the other guy was, but they were
24:25
all good players. I was there
24:27
in August and we're watching
24:29
in edge of that Joel beginning of practice. You
24:32
know, pads are popping. You know, it's basically
24:34
tight end against against defensive
24:36
end, and Jimmy's getting ragged all
24:38
all over the place. And there was a
24:40
long time scout Joe Collins from the New
24:43
York Giants. He's retired now.
24:45
I love Joe.
24:46
And he looked over at me and he was like He's like, that
24:48
basketball player is going to be the best one. And I'm
24:50
like, Joe, the guy is just getting tossed around
24:52
right now, is going to be the best one.
24:54
And then they broke that drill.
24:55
They they went off and did like seven on seven
24:57
or or you know, rots on air
24:59
with the quarterbacks. And then you saw Jimmy, you
25:02
know, move and break and
25:04
I was like, Okay.
25:05
I looked at Joe. I'm like, you might be onto something, and
25:07
he was like, jim I cheated. I was here yesterday for practicing.
25:10
He saw it, he saw him dominating.
25:12
Yeah, but think about this, So, Jimmy
25:14
Graham has, you know, kind of a borderline
25:16
Hall of Fame career.
25:18
Who knows what.
25:18
I saw a tweet the other day like, what what would Jimmy's
25:21
career look like if the Saints never traded him
25:23
to the Seahawks total for Max
25:25
Hunger, if he stayed with with Drew Berries whole
25:27
career, what would his numbers look like? Again,
25:30
regardless, he's one of the best players in Saint's
25:32
history, right. So,
25:35
and he was a dirty work player for
25:37
the Miami basketball team. He was he was a sixth
25:39
man.
25:40
Wasn't if I recall he averaged like less than ten
25:42
points a game, if I'm not mistake, and he was not more
25:44
than a double zero, if I'm not mistaken, and he was
25:47
not twenty and ten.
25:49
No, he was the scrappy guy, dude, he was. He was
25:51
the blue collar guy. I think he finished
25:53
at the time off the top night. He was like top ten
25:55
in blocks in career history. That he
25:57
was a rebounder, and he's a defensive player. But
25:59
he was like a scrappy dude in the ACC,
26:02
like not even touching. He had no chance to play
26:05
in the nest in the NBA. Yeah,
26:07
what would Lebron have like in his
26:09
career ends up being borderline Hall of Fame?
26:11
Yeah, as a guy that was like a sixth man
26:14
in the ACC. What would Lebron
26:16
seriously like? He's he or Michael
26:18
Jordan whatever that debate is best best
26:20
basketball player ever?
26:22
He played? He played football
26:24
in high school and was at a high high school high
26:26
level.
26:27
He was probably a legit six seven, six
26:29
eight, probably two hundred and sixty to seventy pounds.
26:32
He could have been the best football player they ever
26:34
lived.
26:35
I don't get it right.
26:36
How can you how can your brain not go there.
26:38
I mean, if you're just if you're just using Jimmy Graham
26:40
as is the benchmark and what his career
26:42
in the NFL, and it would be in what could Lebron
26:45
have been?
26:45
So yeah, back to it.
26:46
NFL people shouldn't be they, I mean,
26:48
come on you those games are fun
26:51
to play.
26:51
Yeah. I don't know if DJ Burtns loves
26:54
football. I don't know if he's ever had a
26:56
chance to. I don't even know. You know,
26:58
we don't know Lebron loves
27:01
football. Lebron I
27:03
know just through Bath Carter and those guys
27:05
like they football is almost
27:08
you know, basketball is the job and the path. Like those
27:10
guys on Sundays, that is what they do. They
27:12
watch football. So you combine that, does
27:15
a like did George Fan love football
27:17
or was it like this is a job when you interviewed him
27:19
and you guys brought him in, you.
27:21
Know, I didn't sue it George then, But but for him
27:23
to.
27:23
Have the careers had I would assume he
27:26
he either loved.
27:27
It or really liked it.
27:28
Yeah. I guess my question is like if your DJ Burns
27:30
and your whole life has been basketball, basketball, basketball,
27:32
and it's like yeah, but there's a meal ticket potentially
27:35
for football. Do you need
27:37
to have like a dying an undying
27:39
love for the sport to like pursue it or
27:41
is it just, hey, this is this is the right decision financially.
27:43
I guess that's a decision he's got to make, right.
27:46
Peter, Peter, you know this.
27:47
I mean there's a lot of guys that play in against.
27:51
We doubtless guys on Good Morning Football
27:53
who like I try to talk about the league with like a commercial
27:55
breaking, like they don't even follow the NFL, Like they
27:57
don't even know who the good teams are. They don't even
28:00
And I'm almost humbled by
28:02
that. I'm like, that's how what an amazing athlete you
28:04
are that you can just do what you do as a job and then
28:06
turn it off. That's incredible, you know.
28:08
Yeah, like with those.
28:09
Guys, And that's always the first question with guys that played
28:11
both sports, right, and you hear
28:13
about it, like you go into the school as a scout in
28:15
the fall, and I'll tell you, like this kid was
28:17
more of a hooper in high school, Like we don't know how much
28:19
he.
28:19
Goes football, but you know he's really good at it. So he
28:22
does it.
28:22
But what it does, it probably prevents you from hitting
28:25
your ceiling as a player, right, Like if
28:27
you really loved it, then like you would
28:29
be better. But just on your natural
28:31
gifts a loan, you can play it, and you can a lot
28:33
of these guys play.
28:34
A long time.
28:34
But that's kind of I don't think fans realize
28:36
how guys just don't love it.
28:39
Yeah, my last question on this
28:41
multi sport thing, I'll
28:43
never forget. I want to say it was Tristan
28:46
Worths and there's a long line of them, and I know
28:48
aj Epineza was one of them. And of course
28:50
in recent here Linderbaum like wrestling.
28:54
Football guys love wrestlers. They
28:57
don't love basketball guys, but they love wrestlers.
28:59
Am I wrong?
29:00
You're absolutely right? No, especially you
29:03
know, on the on the offensive defensive line. So
29:05
for this year, Zach Frasier is a center at West Virginia.
29:08
I think he was a four time state champion in the state
29:10
of West Virginia, maybe lost one time as a
29:12
freshman. Ridiculous record.
29:14
So this is this is another a cool carryover.
29:17
Now you're catching me off guard a little bit during
29:20
my time with the Patriots, and I'm gonna be blanking
29:22
on this dude's name. He
29:24
was a He was an All American wrestler
29:27
at cal State Bakersfield. Our
29:30
college director, Larry Cook from
29:33
the New England Patriots, went
29:35
up and went to the workout, went to the pro day,
29:38
worked him out, We signed him as a free
29:40
agent, and we drafted him late.
29:41
I can't remember.
29:42
I'll tell you his name right now, and he's Stephen
29:45
Neil. He was a great Patriots Stephen
29:48
Neil.
29:48
I'm sorry, Stephen, I'm having
29:50
like an old guy moment right now.
29:53
He is CSO Bakersfield's most decorated
29:55
wrestler, and he now serves as the alumni relations
29:58
coordinator for csub's wrestling
30:00
program. A once in a lifetime story
30:03
of wrestler who did not play college
30:05
football and went into the NFL and had a storied
30:07
NFL career.
30:08
Yeah, they don't have they don't have football Cast State Bakersfield,
30:11
they don't play football there.
30:12
So again, he came in.
30:13
How do you find that? So how'd they find him?
30:16
Some agent probably just put it out that they were gonna
30:18
have a pro dat. I don't know, I don't
30:20
know how, but but I'm sure a lot of teams came.
30:23
Thank god, Larry you know, developed
30:25
a relationship and signed him. But I remember the
30:27
biggest thing for Steven was it wasn't
30:29
strength, it wasn't toughness. Obviously,
30:32
his was just that aggressive nature, right
30:34
because you're used to that is such an aggressive
30:36
sport. He had to rain himself in a little bit,
30:39
like, yeah, tone it down a little bit. On the football field,
30:42
he would be sober aggressive. He almost he
30:44
almost had questioned the athlete a little bit because he
30:46
was always out over his skis and he's
30:48
you know, on the ground and then you know. But
30:51
but our offensive line coach, Dante Scarnekia
30:53
was a Jim. That's not athleticism. I
30:55
just we just got to rain this guy in. And then,
30:58
like you said, he came in he was an all time Patriot.
31:00
I mean, this dude started so many games in a row.
31:03
And again, it's nice when you have a Dante's scarneki
31:05
one of the greatest coaches ever to
31:07
help develop you. But I mean, obviously different
31:10
sport. But there's another there's another instance
31:12
where the guy didn't play college football and becoming
31:15
a very good NFL player.
31:16
Yeah, I remember I used to do games with Matt Millan. I
31:18
was his sideline interporter, and Matt loved,
31:21
loved college
31:23
and high school Pennsylvania, penn
31:26
State wrestling, and he would tell
31:28
he would always give me a wrestler, like, give
31:30
me a wrestler, get me someone who's gonna get dirty. And I was
31:32
like, that's so interesting because those two
31:34
sports, like when you get those big boys, like
31:36
a lot of those skills do translate. Uh,
31:38
you mentioned the Patriots. I'm gonna get you off script a
31:41
little bit here. You worked there for many years.
31:43
Did you get a chance to watch the documentary The
31:45
Dynasty?
31:47
I did, I did, I saw. I think I've seen the
31:49
first four episodes so far, which was.
31:51
Your era, right, that's when you were with them through that
31:53
as farst.
31:53
Yeah, those first four episodes was about the
31:55
time I was there.
31:56
I actually caught myself in the in the
31:58
background of a couple of practice shots, and I
32:00
felt really old.
32:01
Because I looked a lot younger back then, but look
32:03
good. It was really cool.
32:05
Okay, cool because obviously you've
32:07
seen a lot of the I would say
32:10
almost it's interesting the Patriots
32:12
Dynasty, I almost break up into different chapters,
32:14
almost four chapters of like you
32:17
know, the early first four Super Bowls
32:19
that they went to, you know, including the
32:21
Giants one, and then this, you
32:23
know, changing guard a little bit, and then you've
32:25
got these last ten years. You can split in half of you
32:27
know, the Brady, you know, final couple super
32:30
Bowls and then post Brady. A
32:33
lot of a lot of controversy around it, and even Robert
32:36
Kraft at the league meetings had to like speak up on it, and it
32:38
was like, well, I'm not necessarily the
32:40
rill, which I I'm not going to knock Robert
32:42
Kraft from what he thought of it, but I believe he had
32:44
production, you know, saying some of this
32:46
stuff, and you know, he was kind
32:48
of being critical of it. Have you talked
32:50
to us like is this a is there a text stain of
32:52
all the old Patriots staffers or like you and Nick Cassario
32:55
and Eric Mangini and whoever else, like texting
32:57
about how the thing was portrayed? Yeah,
32:59
a little bit.
33:00
Yeah, I've had I've had those texts
33:02
with some guys. Again,
33:04
I wasn't in it.
33:05
I'm sure the guys have in or a little more hyper
33:07
sensitive to it. And you know what I do with the
33:10
Patriots dynasty, there Peter, I
33:12
break it down to.
33:12
The slot receivers.
33:14
To me, it was the Troy Brown era, and
33:16
then it was the Wes Welker era, and then it was
33:18
the Julian Element era.
33:19
To me, those are those three guys kind of span
33:21
the lifetime. But I don't know. For me, it
33:23
was like a look back. You know.
33:25
I saw Damien Wood he put something out there on social
33:27
media that he was watching you with his kids. You
33:29
know, they obviously weren't around when Damien was a player,
33:32
sort of like see footage of him, were running out the tunnel
33:34
at Gillette and all those things. Like for
33:37
me, it was like a retrospective. Man, I was
33:39
in like my mid twenties back then. I'm almost fifty
33:41
now, so.
33:41
Think about it.
33:42
I watched the show through through that lens,
33:44
and it just brought back a lot of great memories and
33:48
I thought they did a great job at Shoot, man, I'm not
33:50
I was no part of that content, so I shoot,
33:52
there's a lot.
33:53
I know, there's a lot of people that I issued.
33:54
With it though, So like the chief concerns are that,
33:57
like you know, Cory Dillon comes about
33:59
as a you know, not a troubled player. But
34:01
I got that just hadn't been able to win, and it was
34:03
on the field, off field, whatever for his Bengals. Like that
34:05
was a big Bill Belichick to bring in Corey Dillan,
34:08
like Garrett Blunt, was a lot
34:10
of the stories of guys that
34:12
Belichick took a gamble on, and Randy
34:14
moss Is obviously was less of a gamble
34:16
given the player that he was. That stuff
34:19
was lost and some of Belichick's gumption
34:21
to say, you know, let's throw convention
34:24
to the win and let's let's try to win football. There's
34:27
the feeling that Belichick wasn't portrayed as
34:30
well as he should have been as being one of the greatest coaches
34:32
of all time, if not the greatest.
34:34
Yeah, I mean, yeah, the greatest. I
34:36
could see that.
34:37
I mean, there's so there's so many great things that
34:39
that vill and Scott did putting those teams together,
34:42
kind of going out of limb. I mean, even like Rodney Harrison.
34:44
I remember when when they when they brought in Rodney
34:47
Harrison. You know, I think Marty
34:49
Schottenhammer was on record saying and that or maybe
34:51
told Rodney this, and it got back to me through
34:53
through someone in the front office. That like they told
34:55
Rodney, MANU you lost a staff, like we can't,
34:57
we don't. We don't think you got it anymore. So then
35:00
you bring in a dude with a chip on his shoulder and
35:02
you all Rodney did.
35:03
I remember?
35:03
I remember this vividly. In six
35:06
in a six playoff game run, he forced
35:08
seven turnovers. He created whether
35:10
like force fumbles, interceptions, fullmer recovers. He
35:12
was a part of seven turnovers and six playoff games,
35:14
which to me is like the coolest ever.
35:17
You know, you're bringing guys that play big and big games.
35:19
But yeah, I mean, I shoot, and
35:22
I haven't finished it, and I look forward to finishing yet
35:24
I.
35:24
Have any there. I've gotten six episodes in.
35:26
I just finished the Aaron Hernandez episode, and I
35:28
think that's what a lot of the Patriots are, Like, yeah,
35:31
that was a story in
35:33
CNN, and it was a bigger story in
35:35
our building. But like, if you're gonna encapsulate
35:38
ten years of the Patriots, is
35:41
twenty years of the Patriots in ten episodes,
35:43
Like I don't know, and a lot of them I know that.
35:45
Like Rodney was upset because he did five
35:48
hours of interviews and they got one
35:50
clip in with him. I know Devin mccordy
35:52
through Jason wasn't thrilled. They spent all day with
35:54
him, multiple days, and you know that's
35:57
that's really behind the scenes stuff, like
35:59
for us the viewers, like it's candy to
36:01
just watch old football in the greatness of the Patriots,
36:04
be honest, yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:07
All right, before we wrap, we're
36:10
now April second, where
36:14
our teams with their draft
36:16
boards, like has Washington
36:19
likely decided, Okay, here's how we rank our
36:21
quarterbacks or is that thing still
36:24
fluid as they gather information.
36:26
I think it's still fluid.
36:28
I was in Baton Rouge last week, and uh,
36:32
it was.
36:32
It was.
36:32
It was pretty cool because at the hotel we stayed
36:34
at in Baton Rouge, Dan Quinn
36:37
and Adam Peters were there, and then Girod
36:39
Mayo and Elliott Wolf were there and we're all done in the lobby
36:42
getting ready to go to JAYD and Daniels prote the next
36:44
day. You know, we're having having drinks down there
36:46
and he's gonna be on one of their
36:48
two football teams probably when
36:51
we get to the fall, So you know they're
36:53
just coming off that right they most most of
36:55
the teams let their their families go home
36:57
and have Easter with with the family, and now they're bringing them all
37:00
back in.
37:00
So now what you're doing.
37:02
They most of these teams haven't met since post
37:04
Senior Bowl and they
37:07
have not met since the combine because you hit
37:09
the ground running from the combine to pro dase, right,
37:11
Ye, So like their last their last
37:13
meeting was Okay, let's let's debrief
37:15
after Senior Bowl. How did all these guys look. Now
37:18
let's go to the combine. Now they got to get back together.
37:20
Okay, what did combine look like? What did pro das
37:22
look like? What's the new information?
37:24
You know?
37:25
Again, I think the lost part of Pro Day season
37:27
is yeah, you're you're there to get the numbers and see how the guys
37:29
work out. But it's another opportunity
37:31
for these scouts to go back into the buildings and
37:34
not just meet with the player, but meet you know, resource
37:37
the building. Like we've now we've met with the
37:39
guy, we met with him at Mobile, we met with him
37:41
at the at the Pro Day. Here's the questions
37:43
we have left. Now you go back to the offensive
37:46
coordinator or you know, the
37:49
custodians or whatever, you know, the equipment
37:51
guy, whatever questions you have left, you can work. You
37:53
can work the building again. So now they're all getting
37:55
back in the building. Now you're talking through all that stuff.
37:57
Over probably the next two weeks and then those
38:00
finals two weeks it's just phone calls, you
38:02
know, working strategy, working trades
38:05
and trying to really get the strategy part
38:07
of the draft down is.
38:08
Probably those final two weeks, but right.
38:10
Now they are they're just debriefing after
38:12
you know, combining pro days.
38:14
Okay, so long, long windedly answer
38:16
you, Peter.
38:16
I think I think I don't think the Commanders and the Patriots
38:19
or or any of those teams really know you know,
38:21
who their guys yet.
38:22
Okay, here's an exercise we're gonna do because
38:25
I think, honestly, Daniel Jeremiah
38:27
I think is the best on TV. I think if we threw you
38:29
on there, you'd be right up there with Daniel.
38:31
And I think you've got as great an insight as anyone
38:33
having been you know, the executive
38:36
director of the Senior Bowl for all these years. But also you're
38:38
just great in talking about these players
38:40
in terms we can understand. I'm
38:42
gonna do a little get in with you and you can play
38:44
along or just say, Peter, I don't want to do this. I'm
38:47
gonna name the quarterback and I'm gonna say
38:50
my concern with them, and then you're
38:52
gonna tell me whether it's a valid concern,
38:54
or say what you've heard about these
38:56
guys with that concern. We good?
38:58
Yeah, great.
38:59
Jaden Daniels, his
39:02
size and his build is
39:04
too big of a concern to take at number
39:06
two in the draft. In that if
39:09
Bryce Young showed us anything,
39:11
and I know Bryce on it shorter, but build
39:14
wise, Daniels might not be bigger than two hundred
39:16
pounds. That build
39:18
is not one that will last in the NFL.
39:20
Your thoughts on that comment.
39:22
Okay, I think if this is this
39:24
is whole poking season, right, Yes it is.
39:28
So if that's the hole, it's a really small
39:30
hole to poke. You
39:32
know, Jayden, I think a lot was made of what he
39:34
was at Arizona State. He's this slight build
39:36
guy. He's gotten bigger and bigger.
39:38
I think. Okay, I love that.
39:40
At Baton Rouge last week, I'm sitting
39:42
in the auditorium in the team room when
39:44
Brian Kelly addressed all the NFL guys,
39:47
and I'm sitting next to the LSU strength coach
39:50
and they weigh all the players in front of the assembly,
39:52
and Jayden was too ten okay. And I
39:55
looked over at the strength coach. I'm like, is that what
39:57
he played out in the ball? Is that the heaviest he's
39:59
been. He's like, no, he was too twelve
40:01
two thirteen.
40:02
Okay.
40:03
Tom Brady ended his career when
40:05
he was when he's going throw the TV twelve stuff.
40:08
I read places where he was like two hundred and fifteen
40:10
pounds, okay, you know, and nobody questioned
40:12
that.
40:13
So if Jayde's in that two ten to
40:15
two fifteen, he didn't get hurt in the
40:17
SEC.
40:17
He took a lot of big shots. It is two.
40:20
And if you look at us, you look at the games played
40:22
and games missed, students did miss
40:24
a lot of time in the most fiscal league in college football.
40:27
So I think that's a small hole to pope.
40:29
Interesting, he didn't measure at the combine to you, is
40:31
that a red flag?
40:33
Yeah? I mean I don't. I don't
40:35
know what.
40:35
I don't know what these guys are doing now and what the agents are
40:37
telling her. You like, why not remeasure or why
40:40
not? It's just again, it's
40:42
probably stupid. It's probably dumb. I get
40:44
where the agents and the players are, Like, listen, I
40:46
measured at the Senior Bowl. I measured at the combine,
40:48
Like, why do I have to do it again? But I
40:51
mean, that's not going to get him drafted or
40:53
undrafted or I don't think you said it's not going to move
40:55
the needle with teams.
40:56
Okay, Drake May inaccurate
41:01
for the first year. What are your talk
41:03
what are your takes on that.
41:06
The the inaccuracy part. Okay.
41:09
I would say a lot of times
41:11
accuracy stems from your feet.
41:14
Okay.
41:15
And Drake was working out down here in Mobile
41:17
in the pre draft process with a guy
41:19
by the name of David Morris. It was bon Nicks
41:22
and Drake May and Carter Bradley, who has a
41:25
chance of getting drafted like Dus Bratt.
41:26
So yeah, so
41:29
watching them work out, we go back in.
41:31
I watched field workout, we go back in, we watch
41:34
video, and they took a video so
41:36
it's kind of close up and I'm watching
41:38
Drake throw and I'm like a total
41:40
idiot. I don't even think about the May family
41:42
and what they are. I look at Drake, I'm
41:44
like did you play hoops grown up? And
41:46
he was like, yeah, I did. And I'm like, well, did you play
41:49
through high school or did you stop in middle school? I was like no,
41:51
I played all the way through. And then someone was
41:53
like, well, Jim, like this whole family played hoops in North
41:55
Carolina.
41:55
I'm like, I totally forgot got it.
41:57
Yeah the winning shot that
41:59
time?
41:59
Yeah, yeah, this dude, This dude for a guy
42:01
his size, he has incredible feet.
42:04
So is there things he can do?
42:06
Mcaly, you know, in terms of like shortening
42:08
the release to tighten that up.
42:09
Absolutely?
42:10
And again obviously everyone points to Josh Allen
42:13
is a guy that you can correct some inaccuracy
42:15
stuff with. I just think when they're
42:17
athletic enough, like Josh Allen, we
42:19
all know what kind of athlete he is.
42:21
Drake May is a similar type athlete.
42:24
I mean his feet are really bouncy for a big guy,
42:26
so it would not be a concern of mine.
42:28
All right. Last one, JJ McCarthy
42:32
eighteen teammates at the Combine
42:35
and Sharon Moore called
42:38
thirty two straight run plays in a game and
42:40
he didn't throw the ball once. Is
42:42
that a red flag to you?
42:44
No, that's that's Sharon Moore in
42:46
a really hostile visiting environment
42:49
at Penn State, want to just assert
42:51
his will.
42:51
On the other team.
42:52
So that's what I would say, you know, and yeah, did
42:55
JJ have a lot of great players around him?
42:57
He certainly did, But he didn't have
42:59
I mean, look at look at who.
43:02
Neighbors and Thomas right, no
43:06
question.
43:06
I mean you just go back over some of these quarterbacks
43:08
to who they're thrown to.
43:09
Brow had Chas and Jefferson right.
43:12
Right, and Mac Jones had, you know, Devonte
43:14
Smith and Waddle and all those
43:17
guys.
43:17
JUDI house guys, so and JJ
43:19
didn't have that j J.
43:21
JJ didn't have like Roman Wilson's a really good
43:23
player, and they've got some they got some young guys, but
43:25
he didn't have that outside.
43:27
So again that's
43:29
the easy knock.
43:30
All I know is that JJ has
43:32
only lost three football games in his life.
43:34
That includes high school, high
43:36
school and college. The kid has lost three games
43:39
as a starter. It's a big enough
43:41
sample size. He's been a two year starter. He's
43:43
got crazy tools. So I'll share one quick
43:45
story from all right. I'm at baton
43:47
Rouge last week. I'm standing next to a GM.
43:50
I wasn't at Caleb Williams prode I wasn't
43:52
at JJ McCarthy's prodee, but this GM
43:55
was right.
43:56
So j J.
43:57
Jayden finishes up his workout. I thought
43:59
it was impressive. The dude can
44:02
freaking fire it off his hand him. It's it's
44:04
really impressive. I'm like, well, where is this stack up
44:06
in the three you've seen? And his rank
44:09
was JJ McCarthy, then Jayden Daniels,
44:11
then Cale Williams just off the pro Day
44:13
Okay, okay, what what do pro day
44:15
show?
44:16
Pro dace show physical tools?
44:18
They show they show the physical potential of a guy
44:20
and what he can do, you know, mobility,
44:22
arm, strength, all those things.
44:23
Right, that's what PRODA is about. Physically,
44:26
what is this guy tools?
44:28
JJ obviously has them if a
44:30
GM is seeing those three workouts and
44:32
he puts them up there as the top guy. So
44:36
I mean, that's why everyone's asked me in some
44:38
of the podcasts like is this j J McCarthy
44:40
stuff real?
44:40
I think it is.
44:41
You know, I think that I think that the media is playing
44:44
catch up a little bit, and I think the league's
44:46
playing I think the league's diving more into
44:48
JJ. They didn't know if it was going to come out or not. So
44:51
yeah, it's it's uh so,
44:54
I don't know.
44:54
I don't know.
44:55
I don't know if I dispelled her because you're
44:58
arrest But.
44:59
What do you what do you make of Hardball rally
45:01
in the flag around him so much? You're a Michigan
45:03
man, Like what is that when he comes
45:05
out and is like he's the number one quarterback in this draft
45:07
and says all these things like does that to me? It's
45:10
like I roll my eyes a little bit. Of course you're
45:12
his college coach, But what do
45:14
you make of that Harball putting his name on
45:16
it like this is the guy?
45:18
Well, I'll say this, and so much
45:20
respect for for Jim Harbon what he's
45:22
done this whole career. And he brought a you
45:25
know, brought a national championship to my alma
45:27
mater, which was awesome.
45:29
But he's in a great situation right now. He's got
45:31
Justin Herbert and.
45:32
No one, no one's wondering if he's drafted him at
45:34
five.
45:34
Yeah, so he doesn't have to put his money where his mouth
45:36
is right like he can say and I'm sure Jim believes
45:38
all this stuff. In me, shoot, you win a national
45:41
championship with people you talk to players and coaches.
45:43
You would you win a national championship or a Super
45:45
Bowl with a group of men like that's
45:47
pretty special and you're gonna a special feelings
45:49
about those guys. So I'm sure Jim believes
45:51
every word he's saying. But again,
45:54
he doesn't have to draft him up because he's got Justine.
45:56
Okay, I want to talk about the Masters
45:59
with you because you're a golf guy
46:01
and you might be attending. But maybe we'll
46:03
do that next week or a week after that and we'll
46:05
get the full rate cap in the In
46:08
the meantime, keep on doing
46:10
what you're doing and I'll be following you on Twitter
46:12
or x but also i'll be talking with you. Thank
46:15
you so much for joining. This is really illuminating
46:17
stuff, especially on DJ Burns. And we're
46:20
less than a month away, dude, And then I know you're already
46:22
into Senior Bowl twenty twenty five. I know it.
46:25
We are, Yeah, we started that. But yeah, this was awesome,
46:27
Peter, thanks for having me back home.
46:29
You're the man. Jim Naggy, executive director
46:31
of Reese's Senior Bowl, and I
46:33
saw it firsthand. The unofficial mayor
46:36
of Mobile, Alabama. Thank you did.
46:38
Thanks man.
46:46
All Right, so I'm validated DJ Burns
46:48
could get an NFL shot
46:51
here, Aaron, based on what Jim's saying.
46:53
Yeah, I mean, so
46:56
I had seen your tweet. I then
46:58
saw your tweet hosted multiple
47:00
times, like in the NFL subreddit, in the Bills
47:03
subreddit, like Bill's fans
47:05
were like, I wonder if this guy I could work,
47:07
you know, for us, So not
47:09
only I think was there a lot of external validation,
47:12
then having Jim come in here and
47:14
talk about it and talk about his buddy
47:16
who also had been keeping an eye on him.
47:18
Yeah, that's that's pretty exciting.
47:21
Yeah, his work is amazing. It
47:23
is. And like the sophistication of these
47:25
NFL front offices, we go big on how they use analytics
47:28
and all this stuff, but there are holes. And
47:30
Jim says it like they're not watching college
47:32
hoops. So yes, it's possible. This
47:34
guy played in the ACC and played at Winthrop
47:36
and was the Big South Conference Player of the Year last
47:39
year two years ago and still
47:41
was not discovered by an NFL scout. And Jim has
47:43
a friend who's in the research triangle
47:46
who says, yes, I've been keeping an eye on him, but like,
47:48
yeah, like the tournament run. I remember George
47:50
Mason, I remember Jihan Lewis. It was a big man who
47:53
had some you know, a great couple of games.
47:56
They beat Yukon and Rudy Gay and there was two
47:58
thousand and six and George Mason makes us run and he
48:00
was their big man, and he got a try out with the Giants. I think he
48:02
even signed a deal with the Giants. And
48:04
he had no football history
48:07
as a football player in college. So I
48:10
think it's fascinating. I also thought the reaction
48:12
was fascinating, which I kind of hit on with Jim there, Like
48:15
people were really triggered by it, and a lot of people thought
48:17
it was an April Fools joke. I don't get that. Why would that be an
48:19
April Fools joke. The guy is six foot seven
48:22
and three hundred pounds, Like that's a football player's
48:24
body.
48:25
I think you kind of can't post anything
48:28
on April first, Like if
48:30
you say anything, people are gonna think
48:32
maybe it's fake totally,
48:35
but yeah, you know it
48:38
is, like for whatever reason, it's always a news story
48:40
if some team is like we're signing
48:42
a former rugby player, because
48:44
he's never played American football,
48:46
but we think he's got the athletic ability to
48:49
do this, and it's a big news story when it doesn't necessarily
48:51
need to be. And this is just like in
48:54
the lead up to the draft, where we've spent so much
48:56
time arguing about Marvin
48:58
Harrison or Eleak Neighbors, and all
49:00
of a sudden, here's this guy coming out of nowhere who plays
49:02
basketball, and it's like, wait, you're screwing up what
49:05
I had in my head of like who are the important
49:07
potential offensive linemen in this draft? And
49:09
now there's this new guy. So I can see
49:12
how people
49:15
could find a way to be upset about something
49:17
that's not worth being upset about.
49:19
Got it?
49:19
Uh?
49:20
In closing, I
49:22
think I'm gonna go see Tim Robinson tonight at
49:24
Deacon Theater. Are you a fan?
49:27
Yeah? I didn't even know he was doing
49:30
a thing.
49:31
The biggest show. He can
49:33
have no idea what it entails.
49:35
Uh.
49:36
I was asked if I wanted to go, and I think I want
49:38
to go. It's pouring rain, but I will have a full
49:40
recap on our next podcast. As
49:43
Aaron is now looking through a stack
49:45
of T shirts and it appears. He probably
49:47
has a Tim Robinson
49:50
T shirt and it is Yep, there we go. There
49:52
it is, there it is. It's a it's a reference
49:54
to the netflixtion. There
49:57
we go. I love it. I'll give you a full recap
49:59
over text on it. Aaron wall Kaufman
50:02
chasing English, the iHeart Team. Let's
50:04
get these social media clips out, let's go
50:06
all, let's make news. Let's
50:09
continue on with the Season with Peter Schreger. So
50:11
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50:13
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