0:04

What's up people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back

0:07

with another episode of Off the Edge with

0:09

Cam Jordan. Now as we gear

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it for another exciting season, I wanted to

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reflect on some of the incredible guests I had the pleasure

0:15

of sitting down with last season. But hey, don't

0:17

worry, though, I got you. New episodes

0:20

coming your way real soon. Relax,

0:22

I got you. But in the meantime, in between

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time, let's rewind and

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play back some of my favorite interviews from

0:29

season one. This week, I'll

0:31

bring you Louisiana's very own mister

0:34

Lsu, mister Honey Badger himself,

0:37

my guy, my dog, Tyron, Matthew.

0:39

Take a listen.

0:49

Appreciate you coming off for

0:52

my podcast, Off the Edge with your

0:54

Boy, And you know, I just

0:56

want to ask you things straight off the rip.

0:58

You know, I'm gonna say thank you for the illustrious

1:00

Honey Badger. I'm gonna say

1:03

You've got so many nicknames. I don't know where to start.

1:05

You know, we call you five, we call you honey

1:07

Badger, tiring. You know what I'm saying, T

1:10

T five Like I'm just variations

1:12

here, you know.

1:12

But three time pro bowler, a man

1:15

with over thirty.

1:15

Interceptions career because he just had a two piece, because

1:17

like before the season, I think he was at twenty nine.

1:19

We talked about that joint then.

1:21

I know you had a two piece and you had one before that for the

1:23

Tuddy against the Patriots. With me, you're sitting at

1:25

thirty two Tuddies.

1:26

Yeah, often, you know, thirty.

1:28

Two interceptions anyways, a few of them for Toddies.

1:30

I appreciate you just being on the podcast with me, Bro.

1:32

I appreciate you just taking a little bit of your time. I

1:34

know you're busy over the North Shore. You

1:36

know, the man

1:39

with the legend that went to Saint from New

1:41

Orleans lives forty five minutes

1:43

out.

1:44

My first question is why you live so far away

1:46

from home.

1:47

Bro.

1:47

You came home and you decided to move across

1:49

the water.

1:50

Man.

1:50

To be honest, Bro, I

1:52

don't have a problem with living on the

1:54

South Shore, but you

1:57

know, I think the north Shore man. I got three kids,

1:59

so you know, I think that like the

2:01

idea of like, uh, you know.

2:04

Having like the big backyard, big

2:06

front yard, you.

2:07

Know what I mean, nice pool,

2:10

you know you can do that.

2:11

I feel like on the north Shore a little

2:13

bit more than you could.

2:14

Okay, I say, I said, come on, come on, this Kenner

2:17

need be a Kenner. Bruh.

2:18

You could have been a Gabriel and everybody else's big

2:20

houses, right. You could have old mettery,

2:22

you know, with that old money.

2:23

You know what I'm saying.

2:24

Wherever Drew Liveing and Peyton and the man is in

2:26

them, I'm sure you could have been right in that neighborhood

2:28

somewhere in Garden District or Lower Lower Garden District

2:31

or whatever that is down down in New Orleans.

2:33

Nah. I mean that's probably true.

2:34

But to be honest, though, Bro, I like,

2:37

I like taking in that drive, like to work

2:39

and like from work.

2:40

It's crazy. So uh that's.

2:42

Your decompression time.

2:43

Yeah, man, you know what I mean. So then

2:45

it's a little bit of a long time to so h.

2:48

I appreciate that, Bro.

2:50

Your your my my cause

2:52

my cleats Week thirteen.

2:53

In the NFL, everybody gets to put, you

2:55

know, their own foundation, somebody else's foundation, support

2:57

somebody else's foundation. Like I went to Saint Jude

3:00

Children's Hospital just because I love the phenomenal

3:03

work that they do. I went to go

3:05

to Memphis this offseason. I was like, Bro, I was

3:07

like, I walked around

3:09

the campus. I was like, this is like, why don't

3:11

I do more with this? You know what I'm saying, Like, why don't I

3:13

do more for somebody else? But you know

3:15

your organization and what is it? What does it

3:17

mean or was it represent for you?

3:19

Well, my my organization.

3:21

I started my foundation, man I

3:23

wanted to say probably like eight nine years ago.

3:26

And uh, you know, the real

3:29

inspiration for me was was always my grandmother,

3:32

you know what I mean, because you know, in

3:34

my mind, in my eyes really

3:36

man like, she was like the first person that

3:39

I saw that like

3:41

was always like in the service mod you

3:44

know what I mean, like just willing to help people

3:46

like and my grandmother didn't have much, but you

3:48

know, whatever she did have, you know what I mean,

3:51

she was.

3:51

Willing to share.

3:52

And when when I got drafted to Arizona, man

3:54

like, it was a good It was a good situation for me

3:56

because I was around

3:59

a good I was around a group of football players,

4:01

like guys that's probably going to the Hall of Fame. But

4:04

those dudes was like off the field

4:06

too, you know what I mean, Like, uh, you know Kalais

4:09

Campbell and you know Larry Fitzgerald,

4:11

Patrick Peterson, I think fits

4:13

and Kalai is like one man in the year, you

4:16

know what I mean.

4:16

So like, uh, those guys were like

4:18

heavy in the community.

4:20

Like for me as a rookie, you know what I mean. So

4:22

I soaked up a lot of that game. And

4:24

uh, you know, I always told myself like,

4:26

man, once I get to like my second contract, like

4:28

once I'm straight and secure, you

4:32

know, I do much more you know in

4:34

the community. Uh. So it's kind of worked out

4:36

like that for me. But

4:38

this year, Manu, I chose

4:40

to represent. Every year, I choose to present my foundation.

4:43

Uh, but this year was a little different because,

4:46

uh, you know, lately I partnered with you

4:48

know, son of the Saint uh organization

4:52

you know from New Orleans, based in New

4:54

Orleans, and they got a lot to do with uh

4:57

you know, black young black

4:59

kids who uh may

5:01

needed like a father figure, you know, maybe

5:04

they need a mentor, you know, a role model

5:06

to look up to. So uh, you know that

5:08

that was kind of personal for me. So it's been cool working

5:10

with them and uh.

5:11

Shout out Sonny. Yeah whatever

5:14

Sonny's last name is, I've never known, but I.

5:17

Don't think I know it. Neither brow you say

5:19

that.

5:20

Hey, it''ve been dealing with with son of a.

5:22

Saint for and I feel bad now eight

5:25

nine years.

5:28

Yeah man, but now it's been cool to work with them,

5:30

bro, and uh just meet you

5:32

know a lot of the kids.

5:34

You know, Uh, you know that they've

5:36

been a big blessing too.

5:37

Yeah, man, Son of a saying that that's

5:39

the last time I

5:41

normally since I've been in New Orleans, I take

5:43

one of these young bucks under my wing while they're in high

5:45

school, you know what I'm saying, like a big toor mentee program,

5:48

and once they get off to college, I sent them on their way. Last

5:50

last kid I saw it was, you know, mentoring. Uh,

5:53

Trey Hand, his dad was norm Hand played for the

5:55

Saints back in the gap.

5:56

Whatever got him from son of a Saint. Trey

5:59

Hand never let Bro.

6:00

He just like inserted himself to the family boy in college

6:03

University of Arkansas, Monticello,

6:05

Monticello, whatever it is. I'm still talking

6:07

to him almost weekly. I'm like, hey, man, are you supposed

6:10

to graduates a fly already? Bro?

6:12

I should have a new mintee already.

6:14

He's like, nah, Bro, I'm family. You know what I'm saying, but that's

6:16

just that part of New Orleans, bro is just

6:18

the community feel is always there, you know,

6:21

the family feel. I try and tell people like when

6:23

they come here and aren't from here or don't know nothing

6:25

about New Orleans, I was like, if anything, the

6:27

strongest part of that about this fan base is it

6:29

feels like a real family, Like they when

6:31

you hurting, they hurting. You know, they tell you straight

6:34

up on the streets like hey, when we win,

6:36

you know, when we win, it's good in the city. And

6:39

when the Saints lose, crime goes

6:41

up. Black

6:44

Air Force energy comes out.

6:45

Quick right right, speaking

6:49

of being Look.

6:49

Why do we call you five?

6:50

You?

6:51

You was like seven the l s U when it was a

6:53

prime number was thirty

6:55

two in Arizona and in

6:57

Houston, knas city for show with

6:59

thirty Yeah, hey you for show

7:01

thirty two? Here where five come from?

7:03

And wild like.

7:05

So so five, so

7:07

so five. I don't think I've ever really told the

7:09

story. So five actually

7:11

comes from, uh it has.

7:13

It has a lot to do with my grandmother. So most

7:17

if you ask any most people and you ask me,

7:19

hey, what time is from, most people will probably say

7:21

the seven War War, and they're

7:24

right right, because there's like

7:26

a catch, you know, like

7:28

like my first couple of years

7:30

on Earth, I live twenty

7:32

nine thirty Orleans Avenue, which

7:35

is the fifth Ward.

7:36

Now, the people that know me, they

7:38

know that.

7:39

So that's kind of like where a five come from,

7:42

you know, because I'm like a seventh Ward dude.

7:44

But everybody know, like, man,

7:47

he might really be from the fifth Wark. That's where

7:49

grandma. That's where Grandma lived.

7:52

So people say, okay, yeah.

7:54

That's where the five come from. And that's actually

7:56

where my jersey number come from two

8:00

so uh you know to plus two and so uh

8:03

yeah, man, that's like, uh what

8:05

is that like a history lesson?

8:07

Yeah?

8:08

Man?

8:08

Man, and here and here, I'm

8:10

like, yeah, that boy really from the seventh line, and say, you know, right

8:13

right, defense dinner, you

8:15

take us out to the seventh Ward, you know, you

8:17

take the whole defense to the seventh Ward.

8:18

I'm like, man, he's just showing love to his people's

8:21

from the fifth.

8:22

Ward, right Man,

8:25

I'm.

8:26

In the locker room like, I'm like, T, you don't be answer

8:28

to the T. I'm like, five, turn right around.

8:32

That's crazy.

8:33

I mean, we we talked about the locker room too, but you was

8:36

like earlier this season, Bro, you had

8:38

one interception and you were like, man, I was like

8:40

I gotta turn, I gotta pick up my pants.

8:41

But like I ain't never not let the team interceptions.

8:44

Then you then you.

8:45

Had that two piece right and like you like

8:48

you're right on time now, Like where did that come

8:50

from?

8:50

And what you see for the rest of these last five

8:52

games five?

8:53

To be honest, Bro, Man,

8:56

I just see uh and not

8:58

just me, Bro, but I see all us like, uh,

9:02

like just doing whatever it take to win, Bro.

9:05

And I mean you know how it.

9:06

Is on the defense side of the ball, Like

9:09

you know, the more the more you can take the

9:11

ball away, bro, and uh, you know,

9:13

especially like in you know, late November

9:16

December, you know, going into the playoffs,

9:18

like you want to you want to be able to you

9:20

know, take the ball away and kind of help that, you

9:23

know, help you build momentum bro, and confidence.

9:25

So I think defensively,

9:28

Bro, like that's like the model for I

9:30

mean even you like if somebody asked, Hey, do you want

9:32

to just sack the quarterback or do you want to sack

9:35

and take the ball from him? I

9:38

want the whole I want the hat trick. You know what I'm

9:40

saying, like the fumble animal

9:42

recovery.

9:43

You know, need it?

9:44

Yeah, Bro?

9:45

So uh man, just I just

9:47

see all of us manager's just just playing

9:50

way more uh you know, aggressive,

9:52

you know, hungrier, you

9:55

know, just trying to do whatever it takes.

9:56

Bro. Right, you're right.

9:58

See See that's like when you have to an interception

10:00

game. They were like, oh it's vintage Tyre

10:03

Matthews.

10:03

I was like vintage boy eating what vintage

10:05

said, like he oh what, what's

10:08

what's up with this vintage part?

10:10

You know how I get, Bro, when you get

10:12

over thirty.

10:13

Bro, you know, man, I

10:16

hear you, but I don't if I don't see no slow down, I

10:18

don't hear you. I'm over here looking like man.

10:21

If they always if they're already quick to be

10:23

like he older, all right, we'll tell some

10:25

of these young boys to start out working them. You

10:28

know what I'm saying, Like that makes everybody

10:30

else elevate, if you know, if you know what you're doing,

10:32

Shoot, make them young.

10:33

Put the young bucks pressure on one time. We

10:36

gotta make we gotta make.

10:37

Them step up too, for sure, no

10:39

doubt.

10:39

Tell me about the leadership in the dB room, because

10:41

you know me, you know what I'm saying, Like w's

10:44

loud, I'm overly loud and active in the team.

10:47

And then you bring up your leadership, you know, to

10:49

to the to the dbs, which I've always said,

10:51

dvs in every every team

10:53

ever, just I swear they don't like each other, like

10:55

in my mind, like D line, you're

10:57

always gonna be like the closest knit right,

11:00

Like any team I've ever been on, the D line

11:02

hangs out together. Right, we hang out

11:04

every Thursday, win, lose a draw. You

11:06

know, if the even if the defense don't hang

11:08

out, the defensive line is gonna hang out.

11:10

Well you know how it is on the back end, brows

11:13

on the island. Yeah, but too, bro,

11:15

A lot of us we're

11:18

supposed to play like offense.

11:19

We just we just weren't good enough.

11:22

So I don't know if you you know,

11:24

I don't know if we got a living in that d but you

11:26

know, and you know what I mean, we think it's all

11:29

you know, that that prime time syndrome,

11:31

you know what I mean? Uh,

11:34

But nah, Bro, I think I think we got

11:36

a good dB room, right,

11:38

you know, we got some dudes that could that could

11:40

really play you know I think for me,

11:42

bro, uh, you know every day knowing

11:45

like I got like a young dB room.

11:48

It's just being consistent, like showing those

11:51

dudes with a consistent pro look like you

11:54

know, in meetings, you

11:56

know obviously on the field, just

11:58

just trying to take care of my and it's the right way,

12:00

knowing that even

12:03

if those do not necessarily asking

12:05

me for advice, a lot of them are watching

12:07

me right right. So I mean

12:09

that's how some people learn too. They don't necessarily

12:11

communicate with you. They they can watch

12:13

what you do and watch how you act, and

12:16

you know what I mean, like it can kind of shape their

12:18

perspective or you know, their

12:20

direction. So I just try to be

12:22

like a like a sound person for one, bro,

12:24

like.

12:24

A sound of mine. Uh. I

12:27

try to try to tell them the truth, you know what

12:29

I mean all the.

12:30

Time, keeping shoot shooting

12:32

buck at all times for sure.

12:34

Bro.

12:34

And Bro, you do you do it as.

12:36

Such like a calm demeanor, Bro, like

12:38

you so level in the room, Like I'd

12:40

be like, I'm like, Bro, I don't know how to shake, because you know

12:42

me, I'll be out there shaking the room up. I'm come,

12:44

I'm come to like no this is what we're doing, this how we're doing it, This

12:46

is what we're going to do. This is where we're going. Like it's

12:49

a response, you'll be like, man,

12:51

that ain't right. The boys just be like he's

12:54

saying that.

12:55

You mean this? Yeah for sure, bro?

12:58

And you know, like I said, I think a lot of that

13:00

got to do with like you know, each and other

13:02

day that they're gonna get the same time, you

13:04

know what I mean.

13:05

Like, so they could come on.

13:07

That consistency, which is crazy, brocause

13:09

like when you came in to leave, Bro, you

13:11

had vets, like you know, Pat p was your dog from

13:14

LSU, you know, over over

13:17

at the Cardinals. But you know, I

13:19

feel like you could relate so much more to these

13:21

guys because you know, like, yeah,

13:24

I was the first rounder.

13:24

You were you know, you were coming

13:26

from LSU.

13:27

You were that guy. And then you face some

13:29

adversity over LSU. You know what I'm saying,

13:31

You had obstions to overcome. They try to hit you

13:33

with that like troubled the troubled

13:36

youth syndrome or something. So you fell

13:38

a couple of rounds into the draft, right,

13:41

But Bro, your your story about

13:43

you being consistent just like elevating

13:45

your play every year. Like I feel

13:47

like some of these guys don't really know what you've

13:49

done and what you've accomplished, bro. So like when

13:52

you're cool, call them to me and I'm like, bro, these like these

13:54

boys are taking it for what it is, Like this is tyring now.

13:56

I'm like, bro, if you tell them the.

13:58

Real like how you started off, everybody

14:01

was really accounted you out, but you was just too cold to

14:03

be counted out, right, Like I feel like that would

14:05

be that would hit home for some of these knuckleheads.

14:08

You know what I'm saying.

14:10

Yeah, I'm like, bro, like y'all don't know what

14:12

you got in this room right here, and you bro, you

14:14

so humble like you don't even mention it. I'm like, just

14:17

like he used to war number seven LSU like

14:19

he was that guy like you can there's only one of them,

14:21

Like there's a playmaker in the work.

14:23

Number seven. You know you come into the league.

14:25

He was punk returner doing like playing

14:27

playing that little you know that roam around

14:29

boys out there getting really active like

14:32

they know you from Kansas City years.

14:34

I'm like, bro, like look at his body of work. That's

14:37

what I'm saying, Bro.

14:37

You gotta tell him like I like, I'm like, I tell

14:40

him like it used to be

14:42

so even consistent.

14:43

Bro, It's crazy, man.

14:45

I just I mean, like I said, Bro,

14:47

I don't really.

14:50

You know, I don't try to be nothing special, you

14:52

know, you know I definitely

14:54

don't try to uh

14:57

force anything.

14:58

You know, body, you know what I mean? And so uh

15:01

man, some dudes come.

15:02

Around earlier, right, like you

15:04

know, you may you know, we may sign a dude with tomorrow,

15:06

right and he may gravitate towards me and ask

15:09

me like, you know, man.

15:10

How you did it? Right?

15:11

Like like how you how you stuck around so long?

15:13

And and then you know, other guys, it

15:16

may take him a while, you know what I mean, to come

15:18

around and you know, ask

15:20

like those real questions.

15:39

I always I've always talked about it on this podcast

15:41

or whatever, like it just brings me back to you,

15:43

of course, like that business side of football, even

15:45

like you though you play for the home team now, like

15:48

I remember, we we copped you, you know, we copt you off

15:50

free agency?

15:51

What does that free agency feel like? You know what I'm saying,

15:53

like, what does what does that feel like?

15:54

In terms of being at a team,

15:57

and like when you came to us from

15:59

from can't see, Like, Bro, you they didn't even

16:01

offer you Like did that add a chip on your shoulder?

16:03

Like how did it make you feel? How are you like, you know,

16:06

how did that change your mindset? And if it

16:08

did at all?

16:09

Man?

16:09

To be honest, bro, I think for some dudes,

16:12

freegency is right, Like, I

16:14

mean, it's probably like one of the best moments of their

16:16

life, you know. Uh, you know a lot

16:18

of them going to you

16:20

know, sign you know pretty good, you know

16:22

contracts, you know what I mean.

16:24

And I think for other players it's

16:27

different.

16:28

You know, for me, for example,

16:30

right, and I

16:32

mean we was kind of talking about it earlier right

16:34

in the show. I've

16:37

always felt h a responsibility

16:40

to like the communities I played in,

16:42

and so.

16:44

You know, most players don't.

16:47

Do it right, right, Like most guys

16:49

aren't invested outside of

16:52

the defensive meeting, you know what

16:54

I mean.

16:55

Going home and like like nothing else exists.

16:58

You know, all these all these schools out here, all

17:00

these people that you could like touch effect, be around,

17:02

learn your community, do all this like anyways.

17:05

But you know, uh, not for me,

17:07

Like it was tough because like

17:10

I didn't know I was going to the Saints. I didn't know,

17:13

like I didn't know the situation that was like waiting

17:15

for me, right.

17:16

Yeah.

17:16

So you know when you when you

17:20

like have those type of you know,

17:22

uh moments like where man,

17:24

you're like, damn you like, bro, I just sacrificed

17:27

three yearss like I gave

17:29

everything I could, you know, to whatever

17:32

organization, right and so and

17:35

then it's.

17:35

Time for you to move on, right.

17:38

And for some players it's easy to move on,

17:41

you know what I mean, like they don't really care. And I think

17:43

for other players, which is a small percentage,

17:45

like like they wear

17:47

that, you know what I mean, and so uh.

17:50

But the blessing in my situation was, you

17:53

know, even though it took me

17:55

a while, you know, to kind of get over

17:58

you know, damn, I an'tbody be a

18:00

chief no more. And you know, I got kids that

18:03

you know, like love the chiefs and you know, and

18:05

you know, I got a family, like you know what I

18:07

mean, like like this this is our home right

18:09

and you know, now you got to pick up and move.

18:12

So it's a lot of those type of you

18:14

know, conversations and you

18:16

know issues.

18:17

You gotta kind of iron out.

18:20

But but the blessing for me was, man,

18:22

like, you know, like

18:24

I got a chance to come back home. You know,

18:26

I got a chance to come back to the crib. So, you

18:29

know, as bad as it kind of stunk for me,

18:31

like damn, you know, I ain't gonna be a part of that

18:33

no more, but you know, you never know

18:35

that what God got waiting on you.

18:37

So to the crew we go.

18:39

That was a blessing for me, bro. But but some

18:41

dudes, man, like, they

18:43

don't have that, you know, you.

18:45

Know, we signed you and then I was

18:47

like, all right, cool, and then you didn't show up to the

18:49

training camp and I was.

18:50

Like, hey, what what the hell did happen? They're

18:53

like and he was like, yeah, he said, he's having some

18:55

family.

18:56

She's like, you just had to get your mind right from that, Like I never

18:58

asked, and I've always wondered, like right, like,

19:01

I was like, man, he come home. You got to make sure. You

19:03

got to make sure everybody everybody knows he here for business

19:06

and not pleasure.

19:07

Right, And man, that was that was

19:09

important for me. Bro.

19:10

You know, you know, I've been in the

19:12

league long enough. You know, I've done a lot

19:14

of good things, right, and you

19:17

know, I felt like I had kind of earned

19:19

that grace right to be able

19:22

to take

19:24

that time right because you see dudes that don't

19:26

take the time right. And then after

19:29

a while, you like, now what happened to him?

19:31

Like like why why?

19:33

Why is it like that with him?

19:35

You know what I mean?

19:35

And it could be you know, him getting in trouble,

19:37

It could be it could be a bunch of different.

19:39

Things, you know what I mean.

19:41

And so for me, man, you you

19:43

try to avoid that because you

19:45

know when you when you lock in on

19:47

the football season, like that that's important,

19:50

you know what I'm saying, Like like that's what's putting food on

19:52

the table, Like that's what's allowing with your

19:54

kids to travel the world and right,

19:57

so like you won't be all in right,

20:00

like you on half of your mind to

20:02

be on football and then the other half

20:04

you worrying about all these different

20:07

things that that's kind of going on outside

20:09

of it.

20:09

So but yeah, bro,

20:12

like like like that's what happened.

20:13

I was like I've been waiting. I was like we talked

20:15

that, Like I was like you're like, man, I'm good now. I was

20:17

like, good now, what the hell that means?

20:20

Like all right, and then we got to see

20:22

you've been locked in forever from them, and you

20:24

know, the second year with the team, you know, three interceptions

20:26

in.

20:27

I'm like, Bro, he's gonna finish with six. I don't care.

20:29

I'm calling it bro.

20:30

So that being said, Bro, everything that you

20:32

you know you've done, city, city, community, community

20:35

with your foundation, team up with son of son

20:37

of a saint leads you to you

20:39

know, now being told

20:41

you know you're the Saints Walter Payton Man of the

20:43

Year. Uh, you know Canada in for

20:46

New Orleans? Like how does that make you feel? Just

20:49

feel different than anywhere else? Does it feel different

20:51

because it's hometown and you you like you

20:53

really got the key to the city, Like yeah.

20:55

Bro, seven seven war five man.

20:58

Because you know, really, Bro, like that that's that's

21:00

that's why I did it, you know what I mean?

21:03

You know that that's why you do the right things.

21:06

That's that's why you know, you try to get your

21:08

life on track. It

21:10

wasn't for like people that didn't know me,

21:13

right, you know what I'm saying, Like, like, you don't

21:16

try to put together a successful life or a successful

21:18

career for people that don't know you, right,

21:21

You want people that do know you to be

21:23

proud of you, you know what I mean. And so

21:27

like like I say that to say, bro, like my

21:29

motivation has always been New

21:32

Orleans, right, and like trying

21:34

to make my people proud, and you know, trying

21:36

to make my family proud.

21:37

And you know, like my grandmother

21:39

not here no more, but like I knew she would be you

21:42

know, like you

21:44

know what I'm saying.

21:45

So for me, bro, Man,

21:48

it's just a full circle moment because it's

21:50

like damn like.

21:52

Like all of because because a lot of times, bro.

21:54

Like early on in my career, right, like,

21:57

uh, when I was quote unquote

22:00

uh a different person you

22:02

know, was always the same person,

22:04

right, I was.

22:05

Just a eighteen nineteen year old who

22:08

you know got.

22:08

In trouble, right, and they just

22:10

hit you with that troubled youth he said, like, hell

22:13

he's trouble, come on, right, One

22:15

incidence doesn't make you trouble, right.

22:18

But you know, early on in the league,

22:20

bro, like you, especially

22:22

me, I missed out on what I feel like it is a

22:24

lot of fun because I was so focused

22:26

on a game, right, Like I wanted to have a successful

22:29

career. So man, I ain't start

22:31

going on vacations to like my fourth

22:33

year in the league. You know what I'm saying, Like in

22:35

all season none none, bro

22:38

like and but but that was like the level

22:40

of sacrifice like that I that I

22:42

had right and so but you

22:45

don't feel that when you're doing it right.

22:47

You're like, damn, all my teammates going up

22:49

there in the Bahamans date they this way, like

22:51

they having a ball and here you is just

22:53

so focused on not messing it up.

22:56

And so you know, it was some moments

22:58

early on in my career like damn,

23:00

bro, like it don't even feel like I'm in the league

23:02

because you know, I'm so

23:04

serious right, like, like I'm just trying to do

23:07

the right thing. So so it's

23:09

good to look back on that, bro and be like,

23:11

damn, you made the right decision, Like you

23:13

was doing the right things.

23:14

Like right, like all that paid

23:17

off.

23:17

So what was

23:19

what was that transition? Though?

23:20

Like was that was that you adding on like meditating?

23:23

Was that you like you know, guys, guys

23:26

in locker room, we have doctor doctor Chambliss

23:28

or whatever, you know, a therapy coach and

23:30

like, and I always say that because I know there's a stigma

23:33

around athletes or even black men in general,

23:35

you know, not wanting to go to therapy. And I'm like,

23:37

bro, like go talk it out. I try to tell

23:39

you know, my young books. Now, I'm like, hey, man, talk to somebody

23:41

sooner rather than later. Like I didn't even think

23:44

about talking to a therapist

23:46

or having therapy sessions or even somebody you can bounce

23:48

ideas off until I was like eight

23:50

years in and you you.

23:52

Try it out, You're like, this ain't bad. I

23:54

don't.

23:54

I don't.

23:55

I won't see you every week, but I see you sometimes.

23:57

Right right, man? I loved

24:00

actually were just talking about it.

24:01

You know. Last last year for training camp,

24:04

I think I missed like six practices, like

24:07

three of those days. I was like

24:09

like in a uh it

24:11

was like a wellness therapy uh

24:14

you know center, right, So like I'm

24:16

always down for that, Like I still I still

24:18

got my therapist, you know that I

24:20

talked to.

24:21

What the hell is a wellness therapy therapy?

24:23

SHT?

24:24

Like like it's like a resort, Like

24:27

man, it's like, uh is a car

24:29

wash for the mind?

24:30

Yeah, bro, basically, but

24:33

it's like different things like obviously you know

24:35

any therapist session, right, people, Most

24:37

people think of therapy and they thinking like, oh

24:40

man, I got to sit in front of somebody and telling

24:43

my whole life story.

24:44

And and they're trying to find the root

24:46

to all my problems, like don't solve me.

24:48

You know a lot of people don't like doing that.

24:51

I don't really like doing it, but I know when

24:53

I have to do it, it's kind of cool to

24:55

release that. But the place I

24:57

went to, man, it's like, man, you go for walks

25:00

on the lake, you know you uh, they

25:02

got like horse therapy, you know what I mean,

25:05

Like it's just you on a horse and you

25:07

you know, rubbing the horse.

25:08

Man. It's crazy, bro, But it's like it's

25:11

therapeutic.

25:12

You and you and you and you and your z you

25:14

know.

25:15

So yeah, bro, But

25:17

but but but my transition broke

25:20

was it was serious, bro,

25:22

because obviously you you do the therapy,

25:24

you know part of it. But you know, I had

25:26

started really getting into like yoga,

25:29

you know what I'm saying, and like meditation right

25:32

and you know a

25:34

lot of people that I work with now was on them. I

25:38

credit them too, man, because I had like a

25:40

good kind of supports, Like I said.

25:42

Bro, I had Larry and LEAs and pat.

25:44

So it's like I had I had all their

25:47

resources, right, you

25:49

know what I'm saying.

25:49

So, shoot, you probably even had Darnell Dockett

25:51

big strolls, big stroll.

25:53

Like you need something, you need some muscle therapy.

25:54

Bro, But that was any of

25:57

that dude, doctors was that

26:00

thing was trying to take me out, buy me

26:02

Jordan's you.

26:03

Know what I'm saying. You

26:06

wanted me to enjoy myself.

26:08

You know yeah team

26:10

jump Man jump and shout out Jordan Jordan

26:12

brand.

26:14

I love it, bro, Like like I said, I just like I like to talk

26:16

about.

26:16

Just you know that mental health and wellness too,

26:18

because in this game, bro, we give so much to it.

26:21

Like you give and give and give and give and realize

26:24

you depleted without knowing that you depleted.

26:26

Like why am I edgy? Why am I irritable?

26:28

Why am I? You know?

26:29

My body hurts, my mind hurts, and everything, like

26:31

you know, my family still wants to

26:33

to cuddle and lay down. You're like, bro, don't touch

26:35

me. Why you know what I'm saying? Like, or you

26:37

know, all all I do is

26:39

is deal with football and then I'm out

26:42

in public. I'm dealing with fans. So you know you you

26:44

don't even really know your real self. So sometimes

26:46

it's cool to just decompress and figure

26:49

out who you are. And sometimes you need

26:51

other people to help you with that, you know, again

26:53

just to bounce ideas off. So I just I just love

26:56

trying to break that stigma of like we don't need

26:58

to talk to people, you know what I'm saying, Like, as

27:00

human beings, we're social, people's

27:02

supposed to community, We're supposed to communicate.

27:05

My wife, my wife is definitely gonna use that against me

27:07

on this episode. She was like, so we're supposed to communicate.

27:10

Just not right. I'm like, I do

27:12

just what you want all my interfelings, come

27:14

on, relax, take it.

27:15

Easy, right, disclaimer

27:18

right now. But uh all right, let's let's

27:20

get off that heavy and get into something like you know, coming from

27:22

coming from New Orleans, I want

27:24

to know what your what your favorite restaurant

27:26

is out here?

27:27

My favorite restaurant, bro? Yeah,

27:31

I don't even think it's a restaurant, bro.

27:33

What you mean?

27:34

I mean like, because you know, someplace

27:37

to sell food, but it's like should

27:39

they be selling food?

27:40

Should they be selling food?

27:41

But the food decent though, you know, Like so

27:43

it's like, you know, but nah, so they

27:45

got a.

27:46

Store called a Red Rooster, and like

27:48

I said, I don't think it's.

27:49

A like the like the hot sauce.

27:51

Yeah, okay, so but

27:53

the catch is it's like Ronald

27:55

Cording from the Magnolian.

28:00

So you know, but they got

28:03

the best hot sized sandwich in the world.

28:05

Bro, But come

28:07

in coming anywhere to to New Orleans and everybody

28:10

pushing hot sausage.

28:12

Didn't hit right from me. It didn't hit right for me for a

28:14

long time. They're like they're like, hey,

28:16

lead bod.

28:18

Bro, I love them. I love hot saage.

28:21

I think I love them too, bro, because I

28:23

don't eat them as much now since I've been

28:25

back home, right because like

28:28

you can get them whatever.

28:30

Right right.

28:30

But it's like, Bro, when I was living in Arizona.

28:33

In Kansas City, we had I

28:35

couldn't wait to get out.

28:36

You know what I'm saying, Hey, you know of from Arizona. So that's

28:38

what I'm saying. That hot sausage was not on no platelet.

28:40

You can get Charriso.

28:42

You know what I'm saying.

28:43

You get your trees burrito

28:45

up in that thing, five eggs. You know, sometimes

28:47

put fried squad. You know, Pico and

28:50

some chariso. You ain't getting no hot sausage?

28:51

What no

28:54

out here?

28:54

I'm like, like you a hot sausage? Why are you

28:57

always forcing this issue?

28:58

Feil no?

29:00

I would like turkey sausage please.

29:03

Right now, I need to know what other slang

29:05

comes from New Orleans. Bootkoo's really

29:07

from back rouge, but like it could be for New Orleans,

29:10

like it could.

29:11

I feel like I was.

29:12

I feel like I was saying boot coo when I was in the

29:14

first grade, which is which is

29:16

just I think back on just moments

29:18

like that.

29:18

And I'm like, like, is that really you.

29:21

Was using that word in the first grade?

29:25

Just so so young, too young to be so

29:27

ignorant.

29:29

Just mean more, you know what I'm saying?

29:31

Land?

29:31

Yeah, I ain't started using land up until

29:33

I got to New Orleans. You know what I'm saying? Yeah,

29:35

yeah, laniah definitely a New Orleans.

29:37

French word for sure.

29:40

Or you know you have a birthday, like bro I

29:42

you know, I just turned eighteen. Everywhere else

29:45

in the world except New Orleans. Boys be out here, I

29:47

just made eighteen.

29:48

I just made eighteen. Just that, just

29:50

made thirty one, just.

29:51

Made thirty eight, and I'm like, bro, why

29:53

is that an accomplishment to make thirty one? Like,

29:56

okay, that's take your blessings.

29:58

I just made groceries. What you mean That's

30:01

probably the biggest transition when you come

30:03

to New Orleans, something like, yeah, I just made groceries.

30:05

How you make groceries?

30:07

A lot of your words are like in the rooms spot

30:11

you know, it shouldn't be that

30:13

word.

30:14

Switching that join up.

30:16

So I'm like, g Night for show, gotta

30:18

be the different slang word like

30:20

gin. I've heard you know, g Phaso's

30:23

forces, you know the ones

30:25

whatever, But g Night's New Orleans Bookoo,

30:28

were gonna say New Orleans. You

30:30

know we're gonna we're gonna throw made.

30:34

I made eighteen. I made groceries. That's

30:37

just don't don't add up? Still

30:39

add up out here.

30:40

And they got more. It's like a million of those

30:42

words, Bro.

30:43

You got you get that New Orleans and them boys

30:45

started to start rattling off, and you be like, I don't think

30:47

I'm falling this conversation more. As we

30:49

went around way, we'd make we have make we had

30:51

make some food real quick, make some groceries.

30:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah, legit don't turn. I'll

30:55

be like, bro, where did we go with this? And how did we

30:58

get here?

30:58

Who?

30:59

Who?

30:59

Who made y'all to speak like this?

31:01

To be honest, Bro, I think it all goes back

31:03

to the gumbo saying. It's just like you

31:06

just got a bunch of different people, bro, from

31:08

like a bunch of different places, and you

31:11

know, like they're all trying to talk the same language,

31:13

but they speak different languages.

31:15

And these are the words we end

31:17

up with.

31:18

Right, you know, Boo boo boo,

31:20

the French creole something a

31:23

native American Spanish

31:25

somewhere all the dip

31:27

that into a big bowl of gumbo.

31:29

Which is New Orleans.

31:31

All right, Well, anyway, Bro, I'm gonna get you out

31:33

of there. I was trying to keep it at thirty, but I'm always going over

31:35

that's my part. I A right, Hey,

31:37

I appreciate you tapping in, bro with with

31:40

your boy on off the edge like so, I love

31:42

I love having a podcast just to

31:44

talk to my boys because I always get like, you know, the producer

31:46

sitting the cheat sheet of you boy, You're

31:48

like, no, I knew he was a three time Pro Bowl and nah, I knew

31:51

all this.

31:51

He's super Bowl champion.

31:52

But I get to I could to learn like things I didn't

31:54

know about, you know, like like I know what your middle name

31:56

is.

31:57

You know what I'm saying, Like I

31:59

can there, Ran, I'm like, oh, divine,

32:02

divine, the tyrant, divine, Matthew,

32:06

the coldest. I appreciate you tapping in.

32:08

Boy man, I appreciate you, brother.

32:19

So there you have it. It's a wrap.

32:22

I just want to say a huge thank you to all my awesome

32:24

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32:26

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32:28

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32:29

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