0:00

And now move the Sticks with

0:03

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky

0:05

Brooks. What's

0:08

up everybody? DJ here today? Bucky

0:11

is not here, but the topic is

0:13

the Dallas Cowboys and their big win over

0:15

the New York Giants. So if you go through the roll decks

0:17

and you want to find the best guest to discuss

0:20

what's going on with the Dallas Cowboys, there's really only

0:22

one option, and I've got her here. Jan's later

0:24

joining the show today. Jane, how you doing. I'm good.

0:26

Thanks for having me on. I appreciate you

0:28

you joining us. I do want to You're you're in the breaking

0:30

news business, but I want to break some news for our audience

0:33

as well, because we have audience

0:35

that's always looking for something new to listen to out

0:37

there, and I understand that you

0:39

have a new podcast that I need to check out,

0:41

our listeners need to check out. So before we dig into these

0:43

Cowboys, tell me about this new podcast you've

0:45

got. I appreciate you showing us a little bit of love. Um

0:48

it's called the Boys and Girl Podcast. Colin

0:50

Coward asked me, uh, and my

0:52

producer here in Dallas, Body Belt, who

0:54

if Cowboys fans follow me or follow him.

0:56

He's a bit of a stat savant, master

0:58

researcher that's always able to tell these amazing

1:00

stories and narratives with numbers, and

1:03

he has great relationships in the business

1:05

as well, and so we've had a lot of fun doing it.

1:07

It's about forty five minutes a

1:09

podcast. We drop it twice a week on Wednesdays

1:11

and Fridays, and we're already talking cowboys

1:14

so much in Dallas between the two of us, and this

1:16

was sort of this opportunity

1:18

for us to go ahead and carry that out to the fans. Is sort

1:20

of this add on conversation that you

1:23

know, we only get so many minutes within the NFL network

1:25

when we do these hits from Dallas, so this is just all

1:28

that stuff that ends up on the cutting room floor. Yeah, it's

1:30

gotta be nice. You don't have anybody in your ear yelling rap

1:32

rap rap. You can actually expand that a

1:34

little bit and tell the entire story. I

1:36

can appreciate that. I want

1:38

to get to these cowboys here. We'll get to the game last night just

1:41

a second, but I want to go back, uh to when

1:43

this team was coming off three straight losses and

1:45

really an embarrassing loss to the Jets. What

1:48

happened, what changed after that game

1:50

that's got them back on the right track with two division

1:52

wins over the Eagles and the Giants. I think

1:55

a few things. I think it starts with health.

1:57

You know, they didn't have two of their starting offensive linemen

1:59

in that game. Mefiel recalled, they didn't have Lele

2:02

Collins, they didn't have Zack Martin or Zack

2:04

Martin was struggling with his his situation. Tyrn

2:06

Smith wasn't playing in that game. And

2:08

so when you don't have those guys up

2:10

front at full go, that's gonna affect

2:12

what you do on the football field. And then, you

2:14

know, Dak Prescott kind of talked about this a little bit.

2:17

They were filling themselves at the beginning of the year.

2:19

Uh. In other words, they weren't handling success

2:21

as well as perhaps they should have. Now. He

2:24

talked about after that went against the Eagles, which

2:26

is I think the most complete we've really seen this team

2:28

play, that they were going to do a better

2:30

job of handling that. And they certainly got those fifteen

2:32

days of rest after the Eagles game. They

2:34

went and they picked up Michael Bennett to account for

2:37

the loss of Tyron Crawford who ended up on I

2:39

R. And I think they were able to reset a little

2:41

bit. I think the one thing that has always stood

2:43

out about this particular

2:45

team, this generation, this new era of Cowboys,

2:48

has been Dak Prescott. You know, I know Dak Prescott

2:50

is working on that contract, and you can

2:52

look week to week. He deserves

2:54

it. The way that he galvanizes this locker

2:57

room, the way he instills confidence

2:59

in them. With a guy like Dak Prescott,

3:01

it's it seems like he finds ways

3:03

to win more than he finds ways to lose.

3:05

And I it's that confidence that he has

3:07

in himself but also puts out there

3:10

for his football team that I think is the reason why

3:12

we're able to see them sort of right this ship a little

3:14

bit now. Of course, there are still deficiencies. You

3:16

know, they've got to do a better job with these turnovers,

3:18

the penalties, uh, the third down

3:20

situations. Those are things that they know that they

3:22

need to work on. But I think it's even seeing the

3:24

way that that game got off from the jump, him

3:26

throwing that pick right on the opening

3:29

drive, first throw of the game, and the way they were

3:31

able to reset and then dominate

3:33

the Giants coming out with fifty two seconds

3:35

to go in the in the second quarter,

3:38

and then the way they came out and played a really full

3:40

and complete game in the second half says a lot about

3:42

these Cowboys. And again I put a lot of credit

3:44

of for that in that performance

3:46

to Dak Prescott. A lot of other quarterbacks would

3:48

have let a game like that on the road. The

3:50

way you open up rattle them. You saw

3:52

Dak Prescott, he just didn't. One of the things

3:55

we like to spend a lot of time on talking without different coaches

3:57

and personnel guys around the league, Um, it's just really

3:59

kind of how your bill, your culture, how you're building the foundation

4:01

of your organization. And one of the keys to that as

4:03

you've got to have some energy guys in your locker

4:06

room. Hopefully you've got one on each side of the ball.

4:08

From the outside, it appears to

4:10

me that Dak Prescott kind of is that energy

4:13

giver on the offense. Is

4:15

he that guy? And who was that guy on the defensive

4:17

side of the ball, I mean defensive side of the ball? The energy

4:19

givery You've kind of got to of them. I would say. Jalen

4:21

Smith is a big energy guy for them on the defensive

4:23

side of the ball. But DeMarcus Lawrence. I mean, you saw

4:25

DeMarcus Lawrence. We talked to him

4:28

after the Eagles game and he said

4:30

he saw what was being said about him on the

4:32

internet after he got the big contract in the off season

4:34

that a lot of people didn't think that he was,

4:36

you know, stepping up. This defense sucked,

4:39

and he responded, Uh, we saw

4:41

that in the Eagles game. We saw that again last night. And

4:43

then I think then you've got guys like Robert Quinn

4:46

jumping and then Michael Bennett so dominant last

4:48

night in his first game with the Cowboys. But

4:50

I think it starts with the unofficial leader of the hot

4:52

Boys on defense, that of course being uh,

4:56

DeMarcus Lawrence. But I think you're absolutely right. On

4:58

offense. I would definitely assign once

5:00

to Dak Prescott. The way that he just punches

5:02

his fist through the airs after every touchdown.

5:04

It's, you know, Zeke has got the feed me and

5:06

then move the chains with Doc. It's always the

5:09

punch in the air, and it seems like the guys

5:11

sort of feed off of that energy. Yeah, I think

5:13

Zeke's a little more understated there. Uh, Dak

5:15

definitely is a little more boisterous

5:17

with his energy, and you can definitely see it does get

5:20

the guys going a little bit. Uh. In that game

5:22

last night, I thought it was the we're talking a

5:24

little bit before you came on here. I thought it was the best game from

5:26

this group as an offensive line that they played really

5:28

a nice job of creating some space there for Zeke in

5:30

the run game and kept Dac pretty clean. But what

5:33

have you seen from this year? And I know they're getting a little

5:35

bit along in the tooth there, but what have you seen

5:37

from them? And what's your expectation for them for the rest of the year.

5:39

I think it's been big having Travis Frederick back.

5:41

He saw that great report from Michelle Biser

5:44

on Monday Night Football when he was dealing with gan Beret

5:46

syndrome. Jill Looney did a nice

5:48

job last night last year filling in for him. But

5:50

Travis Frederick is such a methodical,

5:53

thoughtful, uh interesting

5:55

guy on that offensive line, such a smart

5:58

guy. And if you talk to anybody UH

6:00

in that offensive room, they talk about

6:02

Travis Frederick and I think it's been huge

6:05

having him back on the line and having him healthy,

6:07

given it with such a sort of a questionable

6:09

diagnosis in the sense that when is he going to come

6:11

back, When is he gonna get feeling in his hands

6:14

and his feet. In the fact they haven't seen any of that come

6:16

back this year. You know, it's such a strange, uh

6:19

situation. And then you know,

6:21

we have been seeing the sort of breakdown of Tyrn

6:23

Smith and Zack Martin and them dealing

6:25

with all sorts of injuries over the last couple

6:27

of years. But you know, giving them sort of those veteran

6:29

days off, allowing them to have

6:32

that fifteen you know, days off during the bye

6:34

week to get their health back, I think has

6:36

been huge. But I think that we haven't even talked about Connor

6:38

Williams. Connor Williams, uh, you know

6:40

last year, this is the second year with the team. He's

6:43

really stepped up. By their points in the game that I noticed

6:45

him last night. You know, he put on a lot

6:47

of weight in the offseason. He bulked up.

6:50

The guys have really liked his work ethic, the way

6:52

that he's blended in with this team. So I think

6:54

what you're seeing there is you're seeing depth on this offensive

6:56

line. But they're also there's

6:59

some fluidity there that in the

7:01

situation where one guy's got to come out, they've got

7:03

other options guys like Xaviers to have feel.

7:05

Of course, Cam Fleming was out yet

7:08

for the game on Monday because of his

7:11

situation with injury right now, but they

7:13

do have a lot of depth that they feel comfortable, you

7:15

know, filling in for those guys when

7:17

they're not add percent. But we're talking about

7:19

a line that's so dominant. We've just had such high expectations

7:22

for them, Daniel, you know, but you've also

7:24

got to consider that even though Travis Frederick

7:26

the other day we were talking about He's like, I'm twenty eight years old.

7:28

I know that doesn't sound old, but you

7:30

know, we are guys that carry a lot

7:33

of weight on our bodies. Uh, you know, we're

7:35

taking a lot of hits on this offensive line. You know,

7:37

there are you know, there are gonna be games and

7:39

weeks where we just are we're filling our bodies breakdown.

7:41

So that's what he talked about. It

7:43

was so important getting those days off to

7:45

get healthy. And you see, when you've got to health the

7:47

offensive line, what this offense is capable

7:50

of as as Connor Williams been a nice shoulder

7:52

for you to cry on after a tough Texas loss this

7:54

year. I'm just curious. You

7:57

know, Connor doesn't talk too much about Texas,

8:00

Uh, you know him and Tom Herman of

8:02

course didn't well remember

8:05

didn't and well remember all of that. You

8:08

know, Tom Herman Uh not exactly

8:10

glowing reviews of some of the players that decided

8:12

to leave the University of Texas program

8:14

early. So Connor hasn't

8:16

been abundantly outspoken about

8:19

that. But he's also not going to uh

8:21

cheer for the team as loudly as

8:24

perhaps he might have been the past. Uh.

8:26

He still wears his burnt orange proudly and cheers

8:28

for his former teammates. But I

8:30

think he's about where I'm at when it comes to cheering

8:33

for Texas. And we'll leave it at that these days. Yeah,

8:35

I'll leave that one right there. Um, the contract

8:38

situation, it seems like it's been kind of hanging

8:40

over this team. They get Zeke done.

8:43

But you mentioned, you know, Doc and being kind

8:45

of that offensive leader, the energy guy. You

8:47

know. I had looked at just some of the numbers. This is what he's

8:49

on pace four this year, sixty

8:52

yards, thirty touchdown, sixteen picks, So

8:54

the picks are a little bit high. You touched on the turnovers

8:56

there, But overall, I mean to me, I I

8:59

have this thing called the confetti test chine.

9:01

In other words, when you ask if you need to pay your

9:03

quarterback, I say, can you envision

9:06

this quarterback hoisting the trophy with the

9:08

confetti falling on their head? Is he good enough

9:10

to get you there? And to me, that clearly

9:12

passes that test. I think he's a championship

9:15

caliber quarterback. Um, So it

9:17

seems like it's just a matter of time when this deal is going

9:19

to come down. But uh, it seems is

9:21

it talked about a lot in the building and where

9:24

we had on that whole thing. The only people it seems like they're

9:26

talking about this contract quite frankly as

9:28

the media, uh you know, periodically, and I

9:30

will put out reports about where they're at, uh

9:32

in these discussions. At last check, my sources

9:35

told me they didn't even discuss this during the bye

9:37

week, which I was actually a little shocked

9:39

by. Now I had reported and Todd France's

9:41

agent disputed that their opening

9:43

number was forty million. I still stand by

9:46

that report. Of course, in all of

9:48

these uh negotiations,

9:50

you start with the top of the ceiling

9:52

number, and then your goal is to sort of get down towards

9:54

the littlement. Now it's my understanding, right,

9:56

it's my understanding there in that thirty three thirty

9:59

five range, which is where I think

10:01

a lot of people saw Dak Prescott's contract

10:04

and where it should be. It's what he wants.

10:06

So given that knowledge, I'm

10:08

a little confused as to why it hasn't happened

10:11

either. There has been some discussion out there that it

10:13

might be the years of service. In other words,

10:15

the Cowboys want to give him six. They're looking

10:17

at four, so they can't move the money around.

10:19

He gets more of the money up front. I haven't

10:21

been able to iron any of that out. That makes a little

10:24

bit more sense, though, as we're talking about this, because

10:26

it's not a situation where there sort

10:28

of on a prove it deal with Dak. They've

10:31

seen everything they need to see from him.

10:33

This is a guy, as I've talked about before. I mean,

10:35

we really saw his rookie year. This guy was

10:37

fourth on the depth chart. People forget that

10:39

Jamill Showers was ahead of him. It was Tony

10:41

Romo, Kellen Moore, Jamill Showers

10:44

who was no longer here and who they moved to defense,

10:46

and then Dak Prescott, and the way that Dak

10:48

Prescott so seemingly seamlessly

10:50

came in took over this locker room and

10:53

not only did such a good job taking

10:55

over for Tony Romo, that Romo

10:58

was not even allowed to compete eat

11:00

for that job. And the fact that he

11:02

has been able to, like I said, through the Zeke

11:04

suspensions and through the twist and turns

11:06

of the seasons in the last four years since he's been here,

11:09

I thought, Dac has done everything that you want

11:11

for football player, the franchise guy, both

11:14

on the field and off of it. He is your pitch

11:16

man. You know, we're talking about Texas earlier,

11:19

we're talking about a head coach at the University of Texas.

11:21

You n him did not only be a good football coach, put a

11:23

good politician. You sort of need that at

11:25

the quarterback position in Dallas, and Dak

11:27

has certainly done that. So I've

11:29

gotten no sense that the Cowboys

11:32

or Dak don't want to get this done. What

11:34

I respect about Dac is if he really wanted

11:36

to stick it to him. He could have held out a

11:38

training camp. He knew the importance of him being

11:41

there, especially with some of these young receivers

11:43

UH and this offense and their goals and their

11:45

expectations for themselves. He showed

11:48

up. He stuck his head down, and he's really he

11:50

hasn't talked about his contract unless he's been asked

11:52

about it, and even when he's been asked about it, he

11:55

really doesn't want to get into it. So I respect that about

11:57

him, that he doesn't want to put his money out there, that that hasn't been

11:59

a focus. And if anything, he's just stuck

12:01

to trying to get this team focused, turn

12:03

it around when things aren't going well, and inspire this

12:05

team in moments when they need it to help them get

12:07

some of these wins. But if then no

12:09

one's asking my opinion. But just from what I've

12:12

seen in the last four years, Okay, the guys money, I don't

12:14

think you're gonna find a better guy out

12:16

there on the open market or in the draft.

12:18

No, I'm with you. And to me, the number that does

12:20

not get talked about his fifty six fifty

12:23

six straight times the whistles blown.

12:25

He's been out there on the field. So he's been available, he's

12:27

been durable, he's been reliable. UM and

12:29

to me that that matters. That's a big deal. UM.

12:31

I want to touch real quick. I don't want to let this one

12:33

go. Because you talked about, you know, being the head coach of Texas,

12:36

being the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. I think a lot of people.

12:38

You've got people who listen to this thing from all over the

12:40

country and even internationally. I don't

12:42

think they have any idea of

12:44

the spotlight on the quarterback

12:47

of the Dallas Cowboys. I mean, you see

12:49

it up close with the with the throng

12:51

of media and the attention, and I'm sure you

12:53

can't go out, uh to any restaurant

12:55

in town. I mean, I just give the people a little

12:58

idea of what it's like when you hold that position.

13:00

Well. It's funny because, like I said, I started the NFL

13:02

network right when Dak

13:04

Prescott took over that that job just

13:07

and a lot of us thought it was he was a placeholder, right

13:09

And I was here when Tony Romo was third

13:11

string Tony, when it was many Testaverdy and

13:13

it was the Drew Bledsoe, Drew Henson and

13:15

then Tony and you see the transformation,

13:18

right. And I will say that Dak Prescott

13:20

has not changed at all, like not

13:23

in public, in private,

13:26

he's he's just always so steady. And

13:28

Jason Garrett always says it best. He never

13:30

gets too high, he never gets too low. And

13:32

I appreciate that about him. And you know, I

13:34

do see guys out and about away from the locker room, and

13:36

he just always is the same

13:39

guy. But when you're in Dallas and

13:41

you put that star in your helmet and you have an owner like

13:43

Jerry Jones who is as

13:45

lauded at training camp and at

13:47

these visiting and opposing stadiums, I mean,

13:50

people are shouting Jerry's name. We saw him in on

13:52

New in New Orleans on Bourbon Street, people

13:54

yelling Jerry's name as he's walking down

13:56

Bourbon with a drink in his hand

13:59

and his bodyguards. You just don't

14:01

see that in the league. But that's sort of

14:03

the personality of the dynamic here in Dallas.

14:05

Is everything is so much bigger in

14:08

Texas, and especially when you're the quarterback of the Dallas

14:10

Cowboys, you were immediately compared

14:12

to some of the great the Roger Staubucks,

14:15

the Troy Eateman, and there have certainly been

14:17

guys who have come here and they have not

14:19

seen success. I

14:21

mean, we can go down the list of all the quarterbacks

14:23

from Troy Aightman until Tony

14:25

Romo h going

14:28

to touch on Chad Hutchinson here, there

14:30

were quarterbacks here

14:33

in Dallas. But I think Dak Prescott

14:35

has solidified as a memorable one and

14:38

one that I think has really warned

14:40

the star well, he's been a good representative of

14:42

it. And then just talk to the numbers. The way that

14:44

he's performed on the field, and I'm always so impressed

14:46

with the way that he battles back from

14:48

adversity. And he's talked about you know, his

14:51

mother died of cancer while he was in college.

14:53

He went through a lot growing up, and so he

14:55

knows what real adversity looks like. But

14:58

it's just the way that he's able to come back even

15:00

when these games, you know, they start

15:02

off poorly or they're it just it

15:04

feels like the bricks are

15:06

stacked against them, and then the way they come back in the second

15:09

half, in the third quarter, I think that's what stands out the

15:11

most for me is just the guy is so

15:13

resilient, resilient and tough.

15:15

I mean that was definitely part of the scouting

15:17

report of him, what he's been through on and off

15:19

the field, no doubt. Um two more things

15:22

I'll let you go, And these are the serious matters here, Jane.

15:24

UM. So, I need you to really buckle in

15:26

here as a Texas Longhorn. If

15:28

I'm going to give you these four longhorns

15:30

and you could rank them one to three four

15:33

just in terms of your favorite. They're all accomplished

15:35

in different ways, but you just gotta go one to three

15:37

four. We've got McConaughey

15:39

kind of the off the field, okay,

15:41

We've got Kevin Durant obviously representing

15:44

the basketball program. And then we've got I'll give

15:46

you tw football players. Give you Vince Young and Ricky Williams.

15:48

So just Jane Slater's favorite

15:50

longhorns in that four. Say, I'm

15:53

challenging you here. Matthew

15:55

McConaughey, the Minister of Culture, has got

15:57

to be my one seed. I mean,

16:00

the way that he comes on Instagram,

16:02

I love it. Yes, he joined Instagram

16:04

this week. Uh, he's so philosophical,

16:06

he's so interesting. I used

16:09

to work for the Long Horn network, and when he would do an

16:11

interview with you, you aren't really focused.

16:13

I mean, obviously he's an attractive man, but

16:15

he pulls you in. I think he would pull

16:18

in a man or a woman with his intensity

16:20

when he talks to you. It's just like this laser sharp

16:22

focus. Uh. It's sort of like

16:24

I'm the captain now. It's fascinating.

16:27

So he's my one seed and then I'm gonna have to go. Ricky

16:29

Williams. Uh. Ricky and I also

16:32

works long Horn Network together, and he

16:34

is one of the smartest guys I've ever

16:36

worked with. He's getting his PhD right

16:38

now. As a matter of fact, I just saw him recently

16:41

and he's there in Venice and he's doing

16:43

astrological readings, and

16:45

you know, he's traveling the world, and he's

16:48

obviously a big cannabis supporter, and he's

16:50

just one of the most fat You could talk more

16:52

with him about just life in general than

16:54

even football and his football accomplishments.

16:56

I mean, I was in college when he was with the Run Ricky

16:58

Run day, so we can talk about that all day.

17:00

But he's one of the most fascinating guys that I've

17:02

ever talked to. Let's see

17:05

what was my other one? Said Kevin Durant. And

17:08

so you've got you've got v Y and Durant.

17:10

So now you've got to you've got I love

17:12

Kevin Durant. I love Kevin

17:14

Durant. He has been unnecessarily vilified

17:17

in the league. I don't really

17:19

care that he had a burner account personally,

17:22

if you keep in mind, he was a little sheltered growing

17:24

up. He lived with his mom for a really long time,

17:26

which I always appreciated. His MVP

17:28

speech about his mom will forever go down as

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like one of my favorites ever. Um.

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And then Vince Young, but Young's just Vince's

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bence at that. Yeah,

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there you go, there you go, all right, I got you one

17:41

through four. There, Okay, that was that was some serious business.

17:43

Last thing that I'm gonna let you go. Um.

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In scouting, you know, one of the things that

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you always focus on. You find guys that are successful.

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You'll find a tremendous work ethic um

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And sometimes it doesn't necessarily pay off initially,

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but eventually it does. And so you

17:56

know, as an observer of

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social media, I don't know that there's anybody working

18:01

harder on their golf game, uh

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than Jane Slater. So I just want to know,

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have you started to see the results? Are we

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still waiting for those to come in the future. Actually,

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I shot at one oh eight recently, so I was pretty

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proud of myself. I'm consistently

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hitting about double bogey. Look at this,

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this was the summer of golf, trying to turn it

18:19

into Yes, I'm trying to turn

18:21

it into fall of golf, but yeah,

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I've got a really great golf coach, this guy named Matt Anderson.

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And I go out there and I really approached

18:29

this as if I'm Tony Romo trying.

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I never got it. I was always like, you're

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getting paid millions to be the quarterback

18:36

in the Dallas Cowboys. If they don't want you

18:38

to play golf, don't play golf. And

18:40

I just I always thought it was absurd his obsession

18:43

with golf. And now that I'm playing

18:45

and I've gotten instructor and you start

18:47

to see your game improve, I totally get

18:50

it now. So everything I said about Tony Romo

18:52

and his golf game, I went thousands. Take

18:54

it back, like, I I now understand

18:57

why so many greats. I mean, if you think about

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some of the greatest guys that have played the

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game of football, hockey, baseball,

19:03

good on the list. They all turned to golf

19:06

after that. Why because it's one of the hardest

19:09

games to play consistently

19:11

good at. You might have a day where you gotta shoot

19:13

one o and then next day you're like, I didn't even take

19:15

score because it was that bad. I lost,

19:18

you know, ten balls that day.

19:20

So I'm addicted. I'm all in. Um.

19:23

I can't guarantee that it's going to be anything to write

19:25

home about, but my goal this year is to at

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least be a decent golfer and in

19:29

a pro am. So we'll see. There you go. That's the

19:31

goals, that's where we're headed, and the work is being put

19:33

in. I'll let you go on this. I talked to Romo

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before the Chargers game on Sunday

19:38

and me and Matt money Smith were talking

19:40

with him about, you know, him and nance playing golf on the road and probably

19:42

get a chance to see a lot of these nice courses. And he goes,

19:44

he goes, look, a lot of people think I'm playing golf

19:47

all the time and I'm not working. Said, it's ridiculous.

19:49

I only played six times this week. Okay, so you

19:51

know it's not even like I'm doing that every day. I took a day

19:53

off. I'm getting in once

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a week, and I mean, I don't even have his commitment.

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It was funny. Hey, Jane, thank you so much

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for your time today. I know you're really busy, but that was

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great to get some insight there on the Dallas Cowboys.

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Uh long, appreciate the work that you do. A

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true pro, appreciate your time. I always appreciate

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it. Thanks from me on. Well

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there you go. That's gonna do it for us today.

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James later joining the show, talking a little Cowboys,

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We'll catch you next time right here on, move

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the sticks