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and Bucky Brooks. Hey,

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everybody, what's going on? Welcome to Move the Six

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presented by A A R P DJ and

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Bucky with you here, not in the

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same country, but always together. How

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you doing, Buck Man? I'm good. I

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can't complain. Things are good over here

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across the pond. Uh the UK

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assume you what the guy. The fans

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in London love American football, so

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it's been great to kind of expose them to the game

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from my my standpoint. All right,

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now tell me this, now, give me a little behind the scenes. Here.

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Are you staying, like in the same place

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that you stayed last time? And what's what's our set

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up over there? What we're working with. Our

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set up is I'm in a little let look condo.

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Uh, same place, different room.

1:03

Um, but it's pretty cool, DJ, if

1:05

you can imagine like being a scout on the road taking

1:08

one of your trips and kind of stand at an

1:10

extended state hotel, but with sweet

1:13

version. So I got a kitchen, I got a

1:15

big old bathroom, I got a back bedroom,

1:18

I got TVs for days. I got a big old balcony

1:20

that overlooks the city. So it's a pretty nice

1:22

set up. Wow, that is nice,

1:24

man. I gotta get a piece of this action. Man. I love I

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love you over there a couple of times now, uh

1:29

and I we were talking before we went on here. Uh.

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People on social media, Man, they love Bucky

1:34

Brooks. They love having you over there. Man. So I

1:37

look a the NFL started with a little lead,

1:39

a little lead on us, But I've got you

1:41

as like you're like my number one, uh,

1:44

my number one guy right now over there, just freaking

1:46

preaching to move the six gospel over there. I love

1:48

it, you know, DJ. Somehow we

1:50

have to find a way to do some draft stuff,

1:54

um that gets back to the UK so

1:56

they can experience that. I know they're around. The

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NFL guys kind of have a foothold on some

2:01

of the stuff that goes on into regular season. But we can

2:03

separate ourselves by providing

2:05

us in contact to the UK strictly

2:07

on the NFL Draft and some of the stuff that goes along

2:10

around that from your lips to our

2:12

bosses. Ears, Um, I love it. Hey,

2:15

what we gotta do on the show today, We're gonna have our buddy

2:17

Bruce Feltman on who Man, it's

2:19

it's awfully kind of him to join us

2:21

and really his busy season as the college

2:24

coaching carousel really gets underway here

2:26

and Bruce has his his finger on the pulse there.

2:28

Talk to him a little bit about Chris Peterson, who uh

2:31

surprised everybody when he stepped down

2:33

at Washington. Jimmy Lake takes over get

2:35

Bruce's thoughts on that whole situation

2:38

as well as, um, you know, him

2:40

being around some of these top players. I want to start picking

2:42

his brain a little bit on that. I know he was at I believe it

2:44

was at Bedlam last week, so we can ask him

2:46

about some of the guys in that football game. So looking

2:48

forward to that conversation with Bruce, we're gonna touch

2:50

on what happened in that Vikings Seahawks

2:53

game and then some other topics I want

2:55

to hit, including the Cincinnati Bengals and

2:57

the dilemma they could have with the first overall

2:59

pick. But let's start with last night buck just

3:01

a big picture take away from

3:04

that win for the Seattle Seahawks ended up being a good football

3:06

game. Yeah, it ended up being a really good

3:08

football game. I think I came away impressed

3:10

with both teams. I think both teams could

3:12

be tough outs in the postseason.

3:14

When I look at the Seattle Seahawks, what is

3:17

standing out to me. The running game is

3:19

beginning to come on. A couple of weeks ago,

3:21

we talked to Brian Schothenheimer. He talked about the run

3:23

game. Uh, Chris Carson,

3:27

UH for Shot Penny. Both of these

3:29

guys are beginning to emerge as viable options

3:31

in that run game. That's going to make it more difficult

3:34

for teams to hone in and slow down

3:36

the run game. And then with the Minnesota Vikings,

3:38

I think what you're seeing is an offense that's

3:40

really beginning to come together. And I think Kirk Cousins

3:43

is probably as comfortable as he has been

3:46

in this offense since he got to

3:48

Minnesota. The play action passing

3:50

game, UH, the stuff that they're doing to really

3:52

make him comfortable. He's being able

3:54

to put up numbers without Adam

3:57

feeling without the full compliment of

3:59

weapons consistently. He didn't have Stefan Dix

4:01

for part of that game last night, but we saw

4:03

him comfortable and on point. And

4:05

I know he didn't win the prime time game.

4:08

But if I'm in Minnesota Vikings fan or official,

4:10

I feel good about the direction of this offense

4:12

heading into the postseason. I want to tighten up

4:14

the defense a little bit because they didn't play their best against

4:17

the Seahawks. But I think both of these

4:19

teams can come away from that game

4:21

with some confidence. And I'm gonna say

4:23

this about the Vikings compared to

4:25

the Packers. I think the Vikings are

4:27

better overall team than the Green Bay Packers.

4:30

It may not be reflected in who wins the division,

4:32

but I think if I had to pick one of the teams

4:35

to face in the postseason, I

4:37

think I would rather face the Packers than the Vikings.

4:40

I think the Vikings are a little more balanced when it

4:42

comes to both sides of the ball. Yeah,

4:45

look, I agree with you on everything that you just said right

4:47

there, Buck the You know the fact

4:49

that Kirk Cousins. And to

4:51

me, it's kind of a cheap shot because ESPN

4:54

literally right after the game is over, Um,

4:56

they tweeted out It's like they had this thing in

4:59

drafts, right, they could not wait to send this thing out.

5:01

Kirk Cousins the worst record in Monday Night football

5:03

history, oh and eight um and Monday

5:06

Night games like that was literally right after the

5:08

game. That was like their big takeaway. To

5:10

me, it's just like it's it's kind of ridiculous,

5:12

man, Like, come on, you watch that game

5:14

Minnesota Vikings and not lose that game because

5:17

of Kirk Cousins. I mean, come on, give me a brink. Um.

5:19

It's just so as to quote

5:21

our old, our former colleague Mike Mayock,

5:24

it's just low hanging fruit. And it's

5:26

to me, it's kind of it's a little insulting to

5:28

your intelligence that that would be your number

5:30

one takeaway coming out of that football game. Um,

5:33

because that wasn't for me. I think he's played well all

5:35

year long. Um, you know he's had better

5:37

games than this one. But look, he put

5:39

them in this in position, um to

5:42

be competitive and win a football game on the road in a very

5:44

tough environment. They did not lose that game because

5:46

of Kirk Cousins. They couldn't. You know, they get opportunity

5:48

to run the ball much. They ran fourteen times in this game.

5:51

And I could have told you if that was gonna be lopsided

5:53

like that and Dalvin Cook gets nicked

5:56

up and couldn't get him going, um, that it

5:58

was gonna be very tough for the Minnesota Vikings to win this football

6:00

game. Yeah, And I think that's ultimately what

6:02

it came down to. With Dalvin Cook. He is kind of the

6:04

centerpiece of that offense. He gives them the opportunity,

6:07

uh to run the ball and attack the edges in the perimeter,

6:10

but also in the screen game. He's such a big

6:12

part of their passing game and slowing people

6:14

down with the misdirection screens and some of the things

6:16

that they do. And so without him,

6:18

yeah, they put a lot of the pressure on

6:21

Kirk Cousins, But I think, look,

6:23

you have to be encouraged by the way that he responded

6:25

without his number one runner, he was still able

6:28

to make plays and attack that defense.

6:30

I feel good about it. Look, the Minnesota Vikings

6:32

are going to go into the playoffs with

6:35

some confidence and unless they just completely fall

6:37

apart and let the l A Rams overtake

6:39

them. I think they'd be a tough I would

6:41

not want to face them, uh in at first round.

6:44

That wildcar run of the playoffs. It's

6:46

really interesting when you look at it. If you look

6:48

at the playoffs, Um,

6:51

as it stands right now, you've got

6:54

in the A f C Baltimore,

6:56

New England. Um, you've got Houston

6:58

as a third team. You've got Kansas City at

7:01

four, You've got Buffalo at five, Pittsburgh at

7:03

six. I would say, let's go. If we're just

7:05

gonna use kind of like street fight style,

7:07

right which which which of these teams want to

7:09

get in a street fight, A bloody your nose physical

7:12

Um, you know, more than likely canna end up being a lower

7:15

scoring just you know, just an

7:17

ugly, nasty, physical football game. The

7:19

Baltimore Ravens can play that way. The Patriots

7:21

can play that way absolutely defensively,

7:24

offensively, I think you'll see them start to run the ball a little

7:26

better down the stretch. Um, Houston,

7:28

I don't think that's really them. Kansas City not really

7:30

them, Buffalo absolutely, Pittsburgh absolutely

7:33

so. Four the six teams in the A f C have

7:35

a chance to really play at the kind of a

7:38

knockdown, you know, drag out, physical

7:40

type football game, and you flip over the NFC.

7:43

The Saints, Okay, you

7:45

know, I think that they're good on both

7:47

lines. Uh, They've got a chance to be a

7:49

physical football team. But Seattle

7:51

absolutely, Green Bay, I know they're

7:54

running ball a little bit better this year, but I would say no,

7:56

Dallas with the offensive line, I

7:58

think they could go in that direction in a physical

8:01

street fight. San Francisco absolutely, Minnesota

8:03

absolutely, it's not We're not We're not a

8:05

finesse game right now. When you look at these teams

8:07

as we go towards the postseason, Buck no,

8:10

no, no. I think football is kind of coming

8:12

back to a little more traditional football where

8:14

you have to run the ball, and it's always existed.

8:16

We've talked about these teams throw the ball all over

8:18

your the first part of the season, but the teams

8:21

that really win games, even the Patriots who

8:23

have been in the Super Bowl, would last three times.

8:25

Um, they run the ball down the

8:27

stretch because it enables you to control

8:30

the game. You have fewer turnovers when

8:32

you lean on the running game as opposed to passing.

8:34

All the time and to protect your defense.

8:36

We're seeing these old school teams that

8:38

are really built and in very

8:41

balance structures, meaning offensively

8:44

and defensively, they can run and stop

8:46

the run. Uh, they have the past Russian

8:48

but also the interior to be able to control

8:50

the line of scrimmage. And then on the outside,

8:52

the guys that they have playing at at

8:55

the second level, they not only can cover, but

8:57

they have to be solid tacklers because teams

8:59

are are leaving those they're they're

9:01

really isolating those guys that it's your

9:03

week, tacklers. If you can't tackle in

9:06

the back end, they're gonna leave you on block and they're

9:08

gonna dare you to tackle these running

9:10

backs. And the teams that are coming on like

9:12

gangbusters, the Tennessee Titans, Um,

9:15

you're talking about the Minnesota Vikings. Those

9:17

teams that can run the football are

9:19

really going to make it tough, and so you have to have a defense

9:22

that can stop them and you have to be able to run it right back

9:24

at them as well. Yeah, I think that's what

9:26

we're headed towards. Um, you better

9:28

put your big boy pants on once you get into the postseason.

9:30

And um, you know, I think the NFC

9:34

as deep as as we've seen it in a long time

9:36

in terms of just quality teams. And when

9:38

I look at the teams that I think you

9:40

have a chance to win a super Bowl in the NFC,

9:42

you know a lot of times it's you know, you're talking about

9:44

one or two teams uh Man, New Orleans

9:47

could win a Super Bowl. Seattle, uh Green

9:49

Bay because the quarterback could get hot. Um.

9:51

You know, even though we have some questions about them

9:53

overall, Buck, when you've got Aaron Rodgers, you've got

9:56

a chance. Uh, Alice, I would

9:58

say no. San Francisco, I would say,

10:00

s Uh, Minnesota, How about

10:02

Minnesota. That's a good question for you if

10:04

is there a chance not just that they, you

10:06

know, want a playoff game or get to a championship game.

10:09

Is that a super Bowl winning caliber

10:11

team what you saw last night? Um?

10:14

You know, I would like to see him play better defense. I'm

10:16

really disappointing the way that Davia Rose

10:18

has played. Uh. This is a guy that was hailed

10:20

as a good shut down corner. He hasn't

10:23

played and he hasn't played at the top level since

10:25

he's gotten paid. I think it's one of those things they have to address

10:27

in the off season. But the

10:29

way they play on offense, much like

10:31

the San Francisco forty nine, they

10:33

can control the game with their offense

10:36

and you really never have a chance to really throw

10:38

at their defense. And so yeah, I think they can be

10:40

a team to make a run to the Super Bowl. UM

10:42

And if Kirk Cousins continues to play

10:44

the way that he's been playing, where he's efficient, he

10:47

takes care of the ball, and he plays with the kind

10:49

of confidence that he's just playing. Absolutely,

10:51

I think you could pencil in the Minnesota

10:53

Vikings as a title contended. Yeah.

10:56

The more I'm thinking about it here and looking at this

10:58

football team, I always say with quarterbacks

11:00

in the postseason, it's you know, consistency

11:02

is kind of out the window. You don't need consistency.

11:05

You need somebody to get hot for three weeks and have

11:07

an extremely high ceiling. And I think

11:09

that's Kirk Cousins. I mean, he's played more consistent this

11:11

year. He's he's played really well. UM,

11:14

but I think he actually has a high ceiling. Book. I

11:16

think he gets on one of those hot streaks for three

11:18

games. We saw it with a guy like Joe Flacco.

11:20

UM. I don't see why we couldn't see the same thing

11:22

from Kirk Cousins to catch fire and you've

11:24

got a team that can rush the passer. I know they need to figure

11:26

some things out in the back end, but with Mike Zimmer in his

11:29

background, I feel comfortable that they'll

11:31

get that figured out. So as I kind of talked

11:33

myself through it here, No, I think that is I

11:35

think they are a legitimate contender there um.

11:37

And so that's that's a pretty deep NFC. I

11:39

don't think we go quite that deep in the a f C. No,

11:43

the a f C is pretty stad AF is

11:45

a little disappointing, man, Like we really

11:47

don't have a race. Everybody is kind of locked in.

11:49

The only race that you have is between I

11:51

mean, I guess Tennessee, Pittsburgh

11:53

and any of Baltimore, New England to see what's

11:56

gonna happen for the number one seed. I think that's the

11:58

big race. That's yeah, that that's it.

12:00

But like at the bottom, like, um, you have

12:02

a lot of separation into Cleveland

12:04

Browns. Man, you talk about a disappointing

12:06

outfit, just the way that they

12:09

handled the Pittsburgh game. And

12:11

look, man, it goes even beyond doing

12:14

it, like you lived in that division, you know what those

12:16

robberies are, like Baltimore and Pittsburgh

12:18

and Cleveland and even Cincinnati.

12:21

The fact that jer Coach would go to the movie theater

12:24

with Pittsburgh started it or

12:26

whatever. Like there's one thing. I mean,

12:28

like DJ there, there's one thing to play

12:30

in those division robberies, but there's another

12:32

to try and kind of stir up the wash nest in

12:34

a robbery that was already intense.

12:37

And I'm not saying that the T shirt matter, but I think

12:39

it just kind of speaks to the culture

12:42

that exists there, like they still don't

12:45

Hey, man, those boys, let's

12:47

just play like it's a I mean

12:50

it's a rock and I mean it's a rough and

12:52

tumbled division already.

12:54

Man. Just don't give them any

12:56

anything to excite them. Don't poke the bear.

12:59

Yeah. Uh. We didn't spend a

13:01

lot of time talking about that in the recap, but it's

13:03

just to me, it's not you know,

13:05

I saw rich one off on this the other day saying

13:08

they didn't lose the game because the T shirt. I get

13:10

that. Absolutely, It's not a reason that for

13:12

anything. All it is is it's a it's a little

13:14

bit of a a piece of

13:16

evidence of what's wrong with that building,

13:18

you know, And to me, that's all that. Yeah, I mean, it's

13:21

a it's a bigger issue than the T shirt. It just

13:23

goes to a lack of professionalism,

13:25

a lack of accountability, and what happens when you don't

13:27

have professional professionalism and accountability.

13:30

Buck, you're a team that that had penalties,

13:32

You're a team that turns to football over at key

13:34

times. Uh, You're a team that

13:36

gets and fights and gets players kicked out of games and

13:38

suspended. That's what that shows me. That's a lack

13:40

of poise, that's a lack of of just of

13:43

doing things the way that they're supposed to be done.

13:45

Man, it's not that complicated, No,

13:48

it is really not. Dj Like everyone

13:51

understands, like the whole professionalism

13:53

that you need to take place. But look, how you do

13:55

anything is how you do everything, and so if you kind

13:58

of loosey goosey off to few, you're

14:00

gonna be lucy goosey on the field. And

14:02

is one of those things where you just want to tighten up

14:05

all the details, especially when you're coming down the stretch

14:07

and you understand the little things matter. Um,

14:10

the Brown has been disappointed because they just haven't taken

14:12

care of the detail. All right, Let's get

14:14

to this next topic before I bring our buddy Bruce Feltman

14:16

on here. Um, Cincinnati Bengals,

14:19

Buck, as it stands right now, and when their first game

14:21

the other day with Andy Dalton, Andy

14:23

Dalton's thirty two years old, Um,

14:25

obviously looked like they were moving on from

14:27

him. They were absolutely in the quarterback market.

14:30

Joe Burrow makes all the sense for them. Uh,

14:32

They're gonna have the first overall pick. Unless something

14:34

changes here down the stretch, it still looks good for

14:36

them to finish up with that number one

14:38

overall pick. You've got a uh,

14:41

you know, no question the best player in the draft

14:43

is gonna be Chase Young, who also plays

14:45

a marquee premier position, not quarterback.

14:48

But I put it number two on the list. Um,

14:51

it's gonna be a fascinating decision there for

14:53

Cincinnati, and I think Andy Dalton, if he plays

14:55

well down the stretch here, they can bring him

14:57

back next year. Buck. Um,

15:00

I don't know. I think when you look at Andy Dalton potentially

15:02

coming back, if they decided to do that,

15:04

you're gonna get Jonah Williams, your first round pick from

15:06

this year back healthy. Next year, Cordy

15:08

Glenn will be healthy. So you've

15:11

got good tackles, you've got a quarterback

15:13

that's proven he can play winning football, and

15:15

you can go get a generational type pass rusher.

15:18

Um. I don't know to kind of kick the

15:20

can down the road at the quarterback position, or do

15:22

you do you shore that up right now? With a guy

15:25

like Joe Burrow. It's it's shaping up to

15:27

be a very interesting decision presented

15:29

to the Cincinnati Bengals. So

15:31

DJ, here's what's funny like And here's the question

15:34

that I would have from management talking to Zach

15:36

Taylor, why do we bench Andy Dalton

15:38

in the first place? Like what? Like? What?

15:40

What was the rationale behind it? Was? We were

15:42

we fascinated with Ryan Finley that we had

15:45

to see him right then because

15:47

the team that played the other day against the Jets.

15:50

I would take that version of Andy Dalton. I

15:52

would invest in Chase Young, I would get

15:54

the other things. Andy

15:56

daln is thirty two years old.

15:58

That is not where you kind to kick the

16:00

quarterback album sent him out the past year to

16:03

fade away. I think maybe you can have

16:05

another two or three year run with Andy Dalton

16:07

while you building the rest of the team up and

16:10

then go and get your quarterback. At that standpoint,

16:13

I just don't know. And here's what I said

16:15

about Joe Burrow, and it's one of the things that we have to

16:17

talk about as we get closer to the draft. Joe

16:20

Burrow has played lights out, But

16:23

has Joe Burrow been a guy that we have said

16:25

for the last three years was a transcendent talent

16:28

that we consider him to be the number one

16:30

overall player in a draft class. I

16:32

think when we're looking at the number one

16:35

overall, I kind of like to look at the

16:37

total body of work. And last

16:39

year, Joe Burrow was not on our radar

16:41

to be the number one overall. And so

16:44

I'm just putting a little bit of I'm

16:46

gonna hit the pause button a little bit before

16:48

I annoyed him as the best

16:51

player in this class. Because the one

16:53

thing that I do know with Chase Young, Chase

16:55

Young has been talked about for three

16:57

years as a guy that could be that guy.

17:00

Joe Burrow certainly has not been in that conversation

17:02

like that. And I'm not saying this right, But I do

17:04

believe sometimes those guys that catch

17:06

your early, they remain in

17:09

the Joe Burrow didn't catch early,

17:11

So I would just kind of pause before saying,

17:13

Joe Burrows the slam dunk is the number

17:15

one overall pick. And to me, I

17:17

think this is you know, people are going to try and frame

17:20

this as the discussion UM

17:22

and the decision that the Giants had right

17:24

when we debated that all the way through the spring.

17:27

You know, do they take Sake one Barkley to they take Sam

17:29

Donald? This is completely

17:31

different because we're not talking about a running

17:34

back who's got a you know, seven eight

17:36

year shelf life. UM at a position

17:38

where you can find impact players all throughout

17:40

the draft. We all recognize

17:42

Sake one is the best player, the best talent in that

17:44

draft. But it's still the running back position, defensive

17:47

end position, the way that impacts the way

17:49

the game is played, the second most important position

17:51

on the field. UM, that's a different conversation.

17:54

Absolutely is a different conversation. It's a

17:56

different conversation because one, I think you're

17:59

talking about a transcendent talent too,

18:01

you're talking about the way the game is We

18:03

we've ranked these positions, uh,

18:05

quarterback, pass rusher, UM,

18:08

still, offensive tackle, and then

18:11

the cornerback. Those are your primary positions.

18:13

We've seen evidence, even though I'm one

18:15

that's probably been a huge supporter of taking

18:17

a running back in the first round as opposed

18:19

to later. But like we've seen evidence of guys being taken

18:22

in the second and throw round being very, very productive.

18:24

We've talked about one in Dalvin Cook. Um.

18:27

I just believe when you have a chance to

18:29

get a foundational piece UM

18:31

to really help your defense go over

18:33

the top because they have some pieces of Carlos Dunlap

18:36

and Sam Hubbard and some of those guys up front. You

18:38

know acting is older, but they're playing well.

18:40

You talked about insert and a guy that could be potentially

18:42

a difference maker getting your

18:44

team from bad to average. I

18:47

think the pass rusher has a greater impact

18:49

immediately than the quarterback, because I still

18:51

think it's gonna take the quarterback a little while uh

18:54

to make an impact. Yeah. And I think

18:56

the other interesting thing is when you look at some

18:58

of the quarterbacks we've seen UM

19:00

over the last couple of drafts, right, UH

19:03

used to be man, if you don't have the first

19:05

or second pick, you're gonna miss out on those guys.

19:07

So if you are a team like since Anti

19:10

Bengals and you're picking up there one or two, you're

19:12

thinking, Okay, I gotta get my quarterback right now,

19:14

because who knows, I'm not I might not be

19:16

picking in the top three or four. I'm not gonna get an opportunity

19:19

to get the premier player. But if you look over

19:21

the last couple of drafts, I'm not talking about

19:23

guys outside the first round, but

19:25

you know, you you look at somebody, uh

19:27

we just I just saw Drew lock the other day, who

19:29

looked good in his first start, was the forty second

19:31

pick. Um. You look at Josh Allen

19:34

was the seventh pick, Lamar Jackson thirty

19:36

second pick Um. These are not top

19:38

five picks. Pat Mahomes was the tenth pick, Deshaun

19:40

Watson the twelfth pick um. So

19:43

you know, having to get that guy in

19:46

the first, second or third pick. We

19:48

have recent evidence of Hey, you know, look since

19:50

Anati Bengals, even with if

19:52

they if they take Chase Young, who's the best player in the draft,

19:54

to get some of these guys back healthy, more than likely they're

19:56

probably gonna be picking in the top. You know, seven

19:59

to twelve range, and we've seen in

20:01

recent history you can get your quarterback

20:03

there. So I don't know. If

20:06

you get a player like that, you take him, just take

20:08

take Chase and don't think twice. They

20:11

can look at the success they had with Andy Dalton, a second

20:13

round pick. Um. I think if

20:15

they're doing that we talked about this quarterback class,

20:17

I think, what you go and do, using

20:20

Andy Dalton as the model, go and get someone

20:22

who has played a ton of football games,

20:25

uh, someone who has experienced so when

20:27

he is ready to take it over, he has

20:29

that stuff. And I'm not saying that Ryan Finley

20:31

can't be that guy. I think what they have to ask

20:34

themselves how much do they like

20:36

Ryan Finley? How can

20:38

he develop over the next year or two

20:40

to become the quarterback? Did they threw him out there

20:43

too soon? I know a lot of us on

20:45

this side make these quick judgments

20:47

on a player. Look, he only play like three games, So I'm

20:49

not ready to say that Ryan Finley can or can't play

20:52

because we haven't seen them long enough. But

20:54

I do know that Andy Dalton gives them

20:56

an opportunity to jump start to rest of their

20:58

team while you don't and have to worry

21:00

about that quarterback is the top ten quarterback.

21:03

No, but he's good enough. He's a midlevel

21:05

quarterback that you can win games with. Because they have

21:07

one games with them, I think they can continue

21:09

to go down that course. Yeah,

21:11

we we we talked about and we'll get into

21:14

this in the spring as well. We had, um, we

21:16

talked about those twelve players you need,

21:18

you know, to be a championship level team,

21:21

and we kind of classified them right playmakers quarterback,

21:24

two pass rushers, you know, three playmakers

21:26

in the back end, you know, combine the second

21:28

third level of defense. We can go back into

21:30

that in the spring. But Sincinnati

21:32

Bengals have a lot of empty chairs in all those spots,

21:35

so it's gonna take time to fill them. So

21:37

if you can get if you can get the

21:39

best of the bunch that fills a chair, get

21:41

him. And that's Chase Young. He fills that chair for

21:43

them. So um again, we're gonna have all

21:46

spring to have this debate in this discussion book.

21:48

But it's it's fun. It's gonna be a fun to talk about. It's

21:51

gonna be a great discussion to talk about. Is one does that

21:54

we have to because it all comes down

21:56

to your team building model. Um,

21:59

how do you believe even building your team for

22:01

sustainable success is that at

22:04

the quarterback first, didn't build around it later or

22:07

build the rest of the team. And then

22:09

when you find your quarterback, drop him in and

22:11

you're ready to go yep, And

22:13

I like that. I like

22:15

that thinking they're building up the team and dropping him

22:18

in. Financially it makes more sense as well.

22:20

Um, all right, let's get to our buddy here, Bruce Feltman.

22:23

Uh, who again is the best in the

22:25

business when you're talking about reporting on

22:27

what's going on in the college football world, especially

22:29

when it comes to coaches, um during

22:31

this time of year. So I had a chance to catch

22:34

up with him. Here's our conversation with Bruce Feltman.

22:36

All right, Buck, here he is our buddy, Bruce.

22:38

Bruce, First of all, thank you so much

22:41

for taking the time. I know this is your busy time here in the

22:43

coaching carousel, and one of the things that's taking

22:45

place as we're talking right now is Chris Peterson's

22:47

press conference. So, uh, let's start

22:49

there because that's a name we've always talked

22:52

about, is somebody to keep an eye on for the NFL

22:55

potentially making that switch, and

22:57

now he decides to just kind of step down

22:59

from the universe. Still watching they promote Jimmy Lake,

23:01

and now the big question is what's next for

23:03

Chris Peterson. What do you think? I think

23:06

Chris Peterson talked about getting recharged

23:08

and rested a little bit. I'd

23:10

be surprised if he went in the NFL. I

23:13

mean, he is so so big into

23:15

the development and helping kids

23:17

beyond just football that I

23:19

don't think he's wired to be an NFL coach. I don't

23:22

think it gets him what he really

23:24

is driven for. I mean I

23:26

haven't gotten to know him over the last you

23:29

know, six or seven years. I mean, he's

23:31

a very deep thinker. He's a really

23:33

interesting guy, has a lot of interest beyond

23:35

just football. Uh

23:38

that factor into people's lives.

23:40

So you know, he's not gonna be

23:42

sitting in some TV studio that's

23:44

not him. I think

23:46

he's gonna sit there and say, Okay,

23:49

how how do I kind of gets

23:52

the passion back? But just you know, he's

23:54

a grinder. It's always a grind. I mean,

23:56

more for him than almost any other coach

23:58

I can think of. When we do our Friday

24:00

production meetings for TV. Most

24:03

uh college coaches, they get where

24:05

that's coming from. Chris Peterson just he just

24:07

wants to get to the game. And I think

24:10

what he talked about today on

24:12

at his press conference was a little bit how he

24:15

stopped enjoying the things that he knows

24:17

better that he needs to enjoy. And so I think

24:19

he's going to try to figure out how do I

24:21

kind of get that back, or maybe I don't

24:23

come back. And I think he probably fine if

24:25

he didn't do that, you know, Bruce, I I

24:28

do wonder because like he went from boys

24:30

in no disrespect to boys, but boys.

24:32

It was a little under the radar, a

24:34

little lower profile program

24:36

too. Now he's in the pect. Well, if he's

24:39

coaching at Watchington, he wrote

24:41

he brought them back to prominence. Do

24:43

you think he could be a guy that may just

24:45

be comfortable kind of coaching

24:47

at like a mid major level where

24:50

he can just kind of really focus on coach

24:52

with all without all the fanfare, or

24:54

do you believe he just needs arrest

24:56

Indian he will take on another challengee like he had at

24:58

Wahington. I think it's probably

25:02

he may not come back to coach again. I mean,

25:04

I feel like they're from from talking

25:06

to guys who are close to him at Boise, and they thought he got

25:08

really burned out and needed a new challenge

25:10

there towards the end, they had noticed

25:12

the difference in the last two years, because remember,

25:14

you know, it's been a while now, but there was a

25:17

long time where people like, he's never gonna

25:19

leave boys, because everybody assumed he would. And

25:21

then eventually he started. You know, I remember talking

25:23

to one specific guy who had been on his staff who

25:26

said, this is it he he really

25:28

need is looking to get out. He wasn't looking

25:30

to go to USC because you know, we're all

25:32

in southern California and that's more of a fish bowl

25:34

and it's a different kind of job than his

25:37

personality probably covets

25:39

and everything. But Washington was a

25:41

good fit at the time. I mean, he actually six

25:44

or seven years anywhere these days in college

25:46

coaching is a long time. I don't

25:48

think it's coincidental that the

25:50

time this came out was right

25:52

when the startup coach that we're going on the recruiting,

25:55

recruiting trail. Some coaches love

25:57

that. I don't think that's Chris Peterson

25:59

wants that grind right now. So

26:02

I I you know, it would not at all

26:04

surprise me if this was it for him as a college

26:06

coach. I mean, he's not Urban

26:09

Meyer in terms of, you know,

26:11

the same kind of personality. He's a super

26:13

you know, super competitive guy. But I

26:15

just think some of the things that he's wired

26:17

for a little different than a lot of other coaches

26:19

we've seen. Well, one thing is he's

26:22

universally respected, no doubt about

26:24

that. I want to ask you about a couple other college

26:26

coaches potentially making the leap, because we're

26:28

looking around the NFL and we've been talking about it

26:30

on our podcast all the time about how

26:33

it's kind of throwback football right now. When you look at what

26:35

the Baltimore Ravens are doing with Lamar Jackson

26:37

playing with three tight ends all the time, you look at the San Francisco

26:39

forty Niners, what they're doing with all the tight ends and

26:41

fullbacks, and and gets

26:43

me thinking, Okay, if we do the copycat thing,

26:45

which we saw the McVeigh, you know, copycat

26:48

thing explode last year. So if

26:50

these are the hot teams this year, I

26:52

start thinking about guys like David Shaw

26:55

at Stanford, who is long resistant

26:57

making the move to the NFL, but somebody that definitely

26:59

knows how to play with multiple tight ends and fullbacks

27:01

and and while that's kind of gotten away from the

27:03

college game a little bit, the NFL has embraced

27:06

it. Uh, That's one that's interesting to me. The

27:08

man who he worked for, Harbaugh, Jim

27:10

harball See and his brother John with success he's

27:12

having is another one. I would keep an

27:14

eye on just those two guys specifically,

27:16

who would you say would be more likely to

27:19

take that opportunity should have present itself. Well,

27:22

I mean I would guess David

27:24

Shaw. And for this

27:27

reason, Jim Harbaugh, as competitive

27:29

as he is, can he really live with himself

27:31

if he walked away from his alma mater going oh

27:33

and five against the one opponent

27:35

that really matters. I mean, not only

27:38

did they lose, I mean a couple of years ago, it was a close

27:40

game, but they got their butts kicked

27:42

the last two years. How does he walk away

27:44

from that? And I know Stanford,

27:47

you know we did the opener of the Stanford had against

27:49

Northwestern, which looked like it was the top twenty five game,

27:51

and both teams stunk this year. Obviously,

27:53

Stanford had a bunch of bad injuries.

27:56

But I think

27:59

and David Shaw loved this situation up there

28:01

from everything I've been told

28:03

and everything I've heard from him in conversation.

28:06

Um, but just I don't see how Harriback

28:08

could leave. You asked me to pick one over the other,

28:10

who would be more like little leaves. I think David

28:12

Shaw knows he's done a terrific job,

28:15

and I think he'd beat at

28:17

peace with what he did there. How

28:20

can Jim Harbaugh think that, you know,

28:22

Bruce and and thinking about that, like David

28:24

Shaw is certainly a good a

28:26

good one to think about. But we've heard these other

28:29

names that have come out. I know, Matt Campbell just signed

28:31

an extension with Iowa State on the

28:33

last day or so, But we're hearing

28:36

more people warming up to Matt Rule after

28:38

the great job that he's done at Baylor

28:40

and then before that at Temple. If

28:42

you're a guy like Matt Rule who's kind of got

28:44

that Baylor program up and running, it looks like

28:47

they're on the verge of being, um

28:49

a major player in the Big twelve? Would

28:52

you leave that job maybe to venture into the NFL.

28:54

Do you think he fancies himself as a college

28:57

coach or does he really see himself as an NFL

28:59

coach. I think he would tell you he

29:01

sees himself as just a coach. I mean,

29:03

when DJ started that question before about

29:07

Harbaugh and David Shaw, I think he used the word

29:10

I don't know if he used the word throwback or old school, whatever

29:12

it was. I was like, Oh, here we go, We're going right that rule

29:14

because his teams are physical,

29:17

they were temple tough and all that stuff, and he

29:19

instills a culture at the part where and

29:21

this is a little bit like the Chris

29:23

Peterson stuff where I'm like he

29:26

seems like a college guy, is because he's

29:28

really good at developing people,

29:31

not just players. And I think he's

29:34

won. He's eleven and one and that's awesome. And

29:36

basically he's played his team has played one bad

29:38

half of football and that was, you know, against

29:41

Oklahoma. The part that I think it goes

29:43

way beyond what he's done X and os and

29:45

winning games is I mean, that

29:48

program and that that situation

29:50

that was as toxic as could be. And

29:53

I saw it a little bit when when Jim

29:56

grow who was a really decent man, went in there

29:58

as the fill in after our Briles was run

30:00

out of there and the A D was run out of there, and ken Starr

30:02

was run out of there, and

30:04

and uh Jim Grove with with great

30:07

uh moral reputation took

30:10

some some some you

30:12

know, it took some some shots

30:14

there from people who thought he didn't always

30:16

handle things or didn't say everything

30:18

perfect at the podium and saying

30:20

that to get to this, um, Matt

30:23

Rules always says the right

30:25

thing in a time where

30:28

you know, you were all on Twitter where it's very easy

30:30

to offend or say the wrong thing,

30:32

Matt Rule always seems to say

30:34

the right thing. And that kind of guy,

30:37

you would think, and I'm not saying there aren't good character

30:39

guys leading NFL programs, but I feel

30:41

like that piece is even more critical when

30:44

you're the face of it, when you're really the face

30:46

of a university. And that's why,

30:49

uh yeah, he interviewed before and

30:51

I know, you know, he interviewed I think the last

30:54

two years for NFL jobs. I

30:56

think they're still gonna be interest but

30:58

he's done already a lot of the heavy lifting

31:00

at Baylor, one of the big

31:03

the other programs in the state of Texas are

31:05

on shaky ground right now. Gary Patterson

31:08

TCU had some down

31:10

years. Uh. Tom Herman just had a

31:12

dud of a year where he's had to basically clean house

31:14

on his staff. If I'm not rule,

31:16

I'm looking around at the landscape, going we

31:18

got this thing rolling. We're in pretty good shape right

31:21

now. Let me see where this is going to lead us. One

31:23

more, one more name on the coaching side. I want

31:25

to get some of these players. You've been around, Bruce, and we'll

31:27

let you go. But Dan Mullen is one that I

31:30

found interesting. We threw this out on the podcast a couple

31:32

of weeks ago. I can't remember if we've talked about this on

31:34

the phone or not, but I just thought the Dallas Cowboys

31:37

and Dan Mullen was an interesting fit. And

31:39

for a variety of reasons. Obviously the relationship

31:41

with Dak Prescott can bring some

31:44

of the college offense in

31:46

the in the quarterback run game that Dack's plenty

31:48

capable of doing. And then also he's

31:50

not a star that's gonna outshine Jerry Jones,

31:52

which seemed to be kind of the three citeria you

31:55

would need to get that job. And I

31:57

just think that when you add some of those factors

31:59

up and that's seen it anywhere. It's just

32:01

it actually makes a little sense to me. Yeah,

32:04

we actually you mentioned this to me. I remember on

32:06

my after my drive back from the Bedlam

32:08

game, it was like midnight. Were on the phone

32:11

and I was like, that makes a lot of sense. I

32:13

haven't heard it either. I told some people

32:15

I work with about about your

32:17

theory, and it makes it lines

32:19

up. Now that's not saying I've talked to Dan

32:21

mullen or talked to anybody who represents

32:23

them, um. But

32:26

but in terms of that, if he has

32:28

a remote interest in

32:31

being an NFL head coach or

32:33

being on that big of a stage, um

32:36

Man, that would be tempting. We're talking about a

32:38

guy from New Hampshire going to become the head coach

32:40

of the Dallas Cowboys with the guy

32:42

you developed as as

32:45

the front of it. Um

32:47

You know, that's an interesting one and I don't know,

32:50

you know, Dan Mollen has never been one you've heard has been

32:52

like like at Osan

32:54

at L s u Is is obsessed

32:57

with recruiting. There are some head coaches

32:59

who are that way, most of

33:01

them are, many of them are not. I've

33:03

never heard Dan Mullen fits into that category

33:05

and being there, there's a lot of there's

33:08

a lot of college coaches who I think look at the

33:10

NFL and keep in mind, last

33:13

offseason, Dan Mullen had a really

33:15

messy one with a lot of stuff

33:17

and drama going on players with sexual

33:20

violence allegations against

33:22

them, some of his recruiting stuff

33:24

was brought up that was messy at a bunch of people

33:27

on his program that we're arrested. And it's not to say

33:29

that people in the NFL won't care at all about that,

33:32

but those kinds

33:34

of things get kind of more become

33:36

more backburner issues than they are

33:38

if you're if you're at the University of Florida.

33:41

So even that, I think kind

33:43

of makes me think. I don't want to say

33:45

there's something there, but because again I

33:48

don't know that there's anything there, but

33:50

on that part, it is more intriguing

33:52

to hear it. You know, Bruce, I kin't

33:54

want to flip from coaches to just get

33:56

your perspective on players, because you've been around a

33:58

lot of these guys, and I am fascinated

34:01

in the sudden ascension of Joe Burrow

34:04

Um people who talking about and potentially being

34:07

the number one overall pick in the draft, and

34:09

and all those things. But I need to get

34:11

a clear understanding of the backstory at

34:13

Ohio State and even the first year l

34:16

s U. Because he didn't win the starting job

34:18

at Ohio State and he was okay

34:20

last year. Look,

34:22

you know him better than anybody else.

34:25

Why should I believe that he's more

34:27

than just a one year one. I

34:29

think because knowing the guys

34:31

at l s U who who work with

34:34

him every day, the biggest things is

34:36

his intangibles are off the charts. Here's

34:38

here's what I think. Stats

34:40

are ridiculously impressive. Obviously, and what he's

34:42

done in big games on third downs, all

34:45

those what if you want to call like advanced

34:47

stats. He is as good

34:49

as you're gonna get. But the part that the people

34:51

who work with them really love is how

34:54

smart he is. Obviously, he's the coaches kid. His dad

34:56

Jimmy, is a longtime defensive coordinator

34:58

in the MAC. But so you have a really

35:01

really smart kid. Uh, you have

35:03

a kid who's way more athletic than I think people

35:05

realized. I mean, he makes a

35:07

lot of plays with his leg extending

35:09

plays. He's a super tough kid. You

35:11

go back to uh New

35:13

Year's Day last year, they're playing UCF. He

35:16

throws a pick six and he

35:18

gets absolutely obliterated

35:20

on a blind side block on the way down. I remember

35:23

watching that game thinking, man, L s U is

35:25

about to get run out of this game because

35:27

there's a gap between him and Miles Brennan,

35:30

the backup, and he not only like,

35:32

you know, the the energy

35:35

for UCF at that point was we're about to take

35:37

down a big SEC program. What happens

35:39

next, Joe Burrow goes back into the lineup

35:41

and in a situation where you would have thought he's

35:43

gonna he's gonna be done for the day, and

35:45

I don't. He probably completed his

35:48

past from that, and then they end up lighting up

35:50

you CF and win in the game. And

35:52

I think from that moment on, if anybody

35:55

questioned who was

35:57

the difference maker at L s U, they got

35:59

their answer. I mean, he's a super tough kid,

36:01

he's very smart, and he's really

36:03

athletic, and I think they, you

36:05

know, credit to oseron he made a smart higher

36:08

finding Joe Brady when nobody else knew who

36:10

this guy was on the Saints staff and

36:12

he was a big believer from day one, and I

36:14

think that relationship has been

36:17

has been really critical. Uh.

36:19

And I think what you see with that team

36:22

is there's a couple other guys who I'm sure are now on

36:24

your radar. Clyde Edwards Hilaire

36:26

is a little running back who was a three

36:28

star guy. Honestly, he

36:31

might be better than the two guys who LS

36:33

you just put into the NFL in terms

36:35

of being an all around back, selfless

36:37

kid, toughest could be. And

36:40

you see that you said that with Justin Jefferson,

36:42

a two star recruit, And I think

36:44

all these guys kind of have followed

36:47

Joe Burrows lead. And I think that's

36:49

what I'm not saying he's a can't miss guy because

36:52

it's not like he has a huge arm. I mean, you're gonna find a

36:54

bigger arm in Justin Herbert,

36:56

and you're gonna find certainly a bigger guy. But in

36:58

terms of just the intent engineables, I

37:01

mean, look, if Andy Dalton's gonna

37:03

be a starting quarterback for a long time, I mean I

37:05

think Joe Burrows, you know Andy

37:07

Dalton times four and probably uh,

37:11

you know, I don't want I don't want to say he's gonna be another

37:14

Russell Wilson, because Russell Wilson has a bigger

37:16

arm than him. But I think

37:18

he brings some of those same intangibles that a

37:20

lot of people loved about Russell. I think

37:22

you hear about that kind of stuff from

37:25

from from Joe. We're gonna

37:27

get you one one more quarterback here, Bruce, and then we'll

37:30

let you run um. But maybe the most

37:32

intriguing evaluation of anybody

37:34

that you're looking at in this upcoming draft class, I think Jalen

37:37

Hurts would be near the top of that list

37:39

when you look at the transformation from him

37:42

going from Alabama to to Oklahoma

37:45

and Bruce pass

37:48

or thirty one touchdown, six picks over

37:50

almost twelve yards. Uh an

37:52

attempt here. I mean this is the numbers are outrageous.

37:54

We've seen out an outrageous numbers from the previous

37:56

two guys who were went number one overall one Heisman's

37:59

Uh. Jalen Hurts? What

38:02

what what took off for him? Other than

38:04

just the scheme because he had player we know he had players

38:06

obviously in Alabama, but other than just Lincoln

38:08

Riley in the scheme, What's what's changed with him?

38:11

I think maybe he maybe he's running it even

38:14

more. I mean it's it's a lot like a

38:16

like the old style Oklahoma

38:19

offense under Barry Switzer, except it's it's out

38:21

of a spread more. I

38:23

am a little more cautious on Jalen as an

38:25

NFL quarterback prospect. Here's the things

38:27

that and we did for his games this year. So

38:29

I've seen a lot of them, seen a lot of them down the stretch.

38:32

The numbers, as you said, are really eye

38:34

popping, but I would

38:36

take a little about with a grain of salt.

38:38

We had them against Iowa State. I Alway

38:40

State almost came back to win that game. He threw two

38:43

balls that we're gonna be picked six

38:45

as they were dropped. Uh. Sometimes

38:47

his his misses a wide open receivers

38:49

would give me, give me some pause. I think if you're

38:52

an NFL evaluator and

38:54

this kind of thing doesn't I don't know, blow up in their

38:56

face in college. But if you hold

38:58

the ball too long, if you don't

39:00

anticipate as well as as

39:03

what we see from some of the guys that are on your

39:05

level, I think that's that's

39:07

something you're gonna have a little bit of more concern

39:10

from and I think, uh,

39:12

he's got a good enough arm when he when

39:14

he when he triggers, I mean it comes out

39:17

pretty well. I mean he's a tough kid.

39:20

I mean he's a strong physical kid. I

39:22

don't know if he is as athletic

39:25

as Taysom Hill, right, I

39:27

mean Taysom Hill, what is he at four or four five

39:29

guy? I don't know if Jalen's that fast. Jalen might be

39:31

a four five five guy. Yeah,

39:33

So I don't know if if teams will look at him

39:35

and saying, okay, maybe he's going to be that and then we're

39:38

gonna see if we can continue to develop him.

39:40

But in terms of just being a pure

39:42

pass or, I don't, you

39:45

know, I'm not sure how much you know, how

39:47

much he's really grown

39:49

from where he was in in Alabama.

39:52

I think he's improved. I just don't think

39:55

it's probably a dramatic

39:57

improvement. But look, credit to him.

39:59

He jumped into a situation where the

40:02

last two guys had three years in

40:04

the system and they had a year to like kind of incubate

40:06

and learn their teammates and learned the system.

40:09

He didn't. I mean, he went right into

40:11

it and he hit the ground running, and he's

40:13

had a lot of success and they have a chance to make

40:15

the playoff and that's a credit to him

40:17

and his toughness and his character and his

40:20

his athleticism and everything. I just wonder

40:22

about, like the anticipation part and some of

40:24

those things about holding the ball too long as

40:26

a pro prospect, that's the stuff I think

40:28

would give people pause. You know, Bruce,

40:32

I think those are great points. I think

40:34

those are great points on jen

40:36

I do want to dis because you had an opportunity

40:38

to see Lamar Jackson when he was in college.

40:41

What kind of impact do you think Lamar

40:44

jackson success in the pros

40:46

will have, not only in the pro game, but

40:49

in the college game in terms of guys

40:51

being really confident, taken maybe the best athlete,

40:54

and being okay with him, maybe having some short

40:56

comments that as a pastor because he is

40:58

so dynamic with the ball in his hand. Yeah,

41:00

Bucky, I remember we talked about this a little bit on Twitter,

41:03

and the one thing and

41:05

I don't know if people give Lamar

41:07

even enough credit because I remember we did a

41:09

game and I think people thought I was talking about about

41:12

jail and I was actually talking really

41:14

about to be honest, Tyler Huntley, who's

41:17

who's a terrific quarterback and as

41:19

tough a kid as there is probably playing quarterback.

41:22

Now, Tyler is not as big, um

41:25

then from he doesn't

41:28

have I don't think he has as much juice

41:30

in his arm as Lamar does.

41:32

He's also I don't think he's anywhere

41:34

near as fast as Lamar. I mean,

41:36

so when you're talking about Lamar, I think you're

41:38

talking about a rare talent. Now,

41:41

the part where I do think it will open people's eyes

41:43

up a little bit is, hey, you know what if

41:45

this guy is really good at some of these things. Let's

41:48

I mean, Lamar Jackson is only twenty two years old,

41:50

right, I mean that's the crazy part. I mean, he might

41:53

be two years younger than Joe Burrow. I mean, and

41:55

he's been in the league for Ferrality. This is

41:57

a second year. So I think when people see

42:00

if you have somebody who has a really

42:02

special talent, whether it's

42:05

Patrick Mahomes or in

42:07

this case, Lamar, I think there's

42:09

things where if you have the right coaching staff that is

42:11

willing to have some flexibility and say,

42:13

okay, um, we're not going to

42:16

give up on a guy, because maybe we don't think

42:18

he's he's right

42:20

now can do something at

42:22

the level of maybe a six year NFL quarterback

42:25

or even some guy who that's really the only

42:27

thing that he does well. Um,

42:29

you know, they're all not gonna be Kellen

42:31

Moore could anticipate great and was super

42:33

smart, but he didn't have anywhere near the

42:36

athleticism or arm with some of these other guys.

42:38

And I think if you if you have somebody and say,

42:40

look, we like this this kid. He

42:42

has great work ethic, he has

42:44

these other you know, elite traits. Let's

42:47

see what let's see where we can go with this. And I

42:49

think the Ravens deserve a ton of credit

42:52

for for showcasing

42:54

what he does well and having the foresight

42:57

to go, this kid is going to be special because

43:00

not just because of his athleticism, but because of

43:02

his work ethic. And you

43:04

know, it's not like about what we think he

43:06

can't do, it's about what can we what

43:09

can we develop here? And so I

43:11

think if that message goes back to some other

43:13

people, um, then

43:15

then great. And I think because I

43:17

think college coaches are already onto that,

43:20

they already see that if you have

43:22

end look I'll use the Big twelve as an example with

43:24

that old Iowa State defense. When I say old, it's

43:27

like two years old. Like people saw,

43:29

Okay, this is how you should be defending defending

43:32

these offenses. So it's kind of an umbrella

43:34

and all of a sudden, now, well, what what's the what's

43:37

the kind of cryptonite to that? If you're you're gonna run your

43:39

quarterback more? And so we see like

43:41

TCU as a terrific young quarterback. And you guys probably

43:43

remember from the lead eleven Max uh

43:46

Dug in Iowa kid, really athletic,

43:48

and he's a he's a difference maker. He's busted

43:51

off a bunch of runs, brought purty Iowa State busted

43:53

off a bunch of runs. I mean, these guys are talented. I

43:55

don't know if you want to call him dual throughout quarterbacks,

43:57

but I think if you have quarterbacks who can

43:59

run, and we're gonna see that because

44:01

that's the answer to these defenses, it

44:04

gives them something to work with. Absolutely,

44:06

And I think when we talk about NFL

44:09

quarterbacks, now, if your quarterback can't move, it's

44:11

hard to be you know, successful. With the way

44:13

the game has evolved, in the way the game has changed, and I think that

44:15

needs to be factored in the evaluation of the

44:17

high school kids as they're coming to college, as well as

44:19

the college kids as they're going on to the NFL.

44:22

Last question, Bruce, and then you're out of here. You've

44:24

been in so many college towns, um,

44:27

not only covering games with Fox,

44:29

but also going out and visiting with coaches. Most

44:33

underrated, uh college

44:35

town out there that you've been

44:37

like a Bruce Feld been favorite

44:39

out there? What what is it? Um?

44:42

You know what? It's Iowa

44:44

City. Um, It's It's

44:46

not something I would have thought I would have said six years

44:48

ago. They treat you well. It

44:50

is a hard place to get to and it's an even harder

44:52

place to get out of. But it

44:55

is a really cool college town. The fans

44:57

are awesome. They have the best tradition in

44:59

college a ball with the wave that happens

45:02

at the end of the first quarter where it's just like,

45:05

I mean, if you have kids, you're gonna start crying

45:07

when when this happens. Because of the children's

45:09

hospital and what it means. And I

45:11

think those guys like I have a ton

45:13

of respect for Kirk Fern's um, in

45:16

terms of how he runs the program. I just

45:18

feel like there is a vibe that you get when you

45:20

get around there. It's a very

45:22

underrated college town. Great

45:25

answer, there, I've been there, uh been

45:27

many many years. I'm gonna go out a limit say it hasn't changed.

45:29

Um, all right, Bruce, you're the

45:31

best man. I appreciate your

45:33

time, especially during this busy season. Go

45:36

break some more stories. I'll catch up with you down the road.

45:38

Always a pleasure, guys. Thanks all

45:40

right, buck Well, there he is the great Bruce

45:43

Feldman. And not only is he

45:45

the best at what he does, Buck, He's just a

45:47

great dude. Man. I have I have fun anytime

45:49

something's going on in the college football world gets

45:51

a little spicy. Uh you know that's

45:53

that's my first text message I I send out

45:56

is to Bruce to get his take on things, because

45:58

nobody has their finger on the pulse of

46:00

college football quite like Bruce. I

46:02

mean, he knows everything. Like this guy is really really

46:04

plugging anyone who follows his tweets.

46:07

He is up on the college

46:09

coaching changes, and he kind of knows

46:12

these guys back around whatever. So I love

46:14

just kind of texting him and asking him about things whatever

46:16

we just heard in that conversation. Guys, a

46:18

wealth of knowledge when it comes to college game. That's

46:21

so true. Um, all right, Well, that's gonna

46:23

do it for us today. Fun episode. We will

46:25

be back in a couple of days. They're gonna

46:27

have our buddy Brian Baldinger going to join

46:30

the show on Thursday. Looking forward to that

46:32

conversation. Um, Buck

46:34

doing work over there in England. Appreciate

46:37

uh, appreciate you you What time

46:39

is it over there while we're doing this? Buck, By the way, what time is

46:41

It's only it's only four? I mean,

46:43

so it's not it's not too bad. It's not too bad.

46:45

You gotta flip, gotta flip my entire

46:48

mind when it comes to timing and

46:50

thinking and all the other stuff. But it's

46:53

not too bad, not too late, not too earth. All

46:55

right, Well, it's great to catch up with you, man. Look forward to

46:57

seeing you here, uh down the road. That's

47:00

gonna do it for us today again. If you have any questions

47:02

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