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Welcome to Nightcall, a production

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of I Heart Radio. It's

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twelve thirty four a m. In

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you're listening to Night Call. Welcome

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to Nightcall, a podcast for your

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strange days and lonely nights.

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My name is Emmily Orshida. I am here

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in Los Angeles. City

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of Stars were

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two of my favorite right shining stars

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City of Pods, Molly

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Lamber. Molly Lambert and Tessalynch.

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Hello, guys, today

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we're gonna have a very chill, relaxed

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episode of Nightcall. It's the middle of summer,

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um. I think you know, the East

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Coast just got through with a very brue will

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heat wave. I feel like everybody's just

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kind of feeling the heat in general right

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now, the heat. So

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we're we're gonna we're gonna

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do a chill to a little

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night sessh right now. Yeah.

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We wanted to talk last week in

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our last podcast about some self

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care tips that we had kind of found

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our way too, and then we ended up bumping it

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to this week. But it's perfect because I'm in the mood

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to talk about self care. I'm sitting in front of

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a giant salad um.

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Yeah, we said today all

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all rules are off. Our famously

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formal podcast has

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even less structure today than usual. Um,

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and I went on a podcast hosted

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by Kate Raft and Drew Spears called

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this podcast is self Care? Was

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it? It was great? Everybody should listen to it?

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Was it self care? Did it feel self caring?

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Yeah? And they specified that that is

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it's the only podcast that if you listen to it,

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it is self care. But then

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they said, also night call count thank

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you listening, and I call your self care. Do you

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guys remember when we did a Hoodies episode

2:05

where we didn't have the table and we just

2:07

were on bean bags or something. Yes, we were. We

2:09

did a floor pod. We did a floor pod in low

2:11

light. We should do that. It was

2:14

great. We can. We're gonna do more field recording

2:16

episodes for sure, slumber

2:18

party pods. It just it changes your voice,

2:20

I think when you're like in

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a reclining pose. Yeah,

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Um, yeah, it was. It was great. We'll

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bring it back next time. Reclining is self

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care. Reclining is self care. Everything counts

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as self care in a way, it is not actually

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self care for me right now, Like I'm having a hard

2:37

time lying down because clining, sitting

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up straight of self care for you right now? Or

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it's like I'm not sure what it is? What is though,

2:44

because I've been writing in a lot of lifts out here

2:46

and that's also not fun, Like

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I have to be kind of I don't know, I have to have like lumbar

2:51

support. I feel like I'm eighty year.

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Is that self grandparenting? Self grandparenting?

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Yeah, it's saying, you know what, my back hurts,

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and I'm going to tend to it instead of

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pretending I can just soldier.

3:03

Self grandparenting was the concept I brought

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to Kate Raft and do

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Spirits podcast, but they have had other guests

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talk about such topics as going

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outside, oh yeah, um

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Joan Hailey Ford, who is a

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person I really like, did she

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did something about selfiees

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of self care? How? Because

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I think it's like they're

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not. It's just kind of like confronting

3:33

and accepting your like

3:35

documenting yourself as you are instead

3:38

of being like I shouldn't do it because I don't

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want to be like imperfect, just me and like here's

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what I look like. Here, I am world,

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I'm great. I do those on the

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um on the photo Booth app

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on the on the computer a lot, and I was really kind

3:51

of bummed because I lost my computer at the end of last

3:53

year and I had all of these just

3:56

disk top selfies basically

3:59

that I had taken usually I was like writing

4:01

something or just sort of procrastinating

4:04

and just hanging out and like my hoodie and my living

4:06

room or something, and so they were not like

4:08

nice pictures. It was just like, here's my domb

4:11

face today. And I had this like huge

4:13

stream of them, and I lost them and it

4:15

kind of felt like losing a diary a little bit.

4:17

I was like, oh, I mean, nobody'll ever

4:19

see those. But still I like the low rez

4:22

photo booth pictures I have. I

4:24

have a bunch of those from a while ago. But then my

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mom, it's my computer is really old. And now I have like

4:28

a smudge that won't go away, so

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I look like I'm I'm too ghosty. It's

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a little spooky. Yeah,

4:35

I feel like we talked about this a lot, but it's like

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the idea that tech would be this way to archive

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everything forever has clearly proven

4:42

to be not true and

4:44

so very ephemeral. I got really sad

4:46

also because tiny pick was going down

4:49

now oh man, it was like tiny

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pick like an institution. I didn't

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even realize some of these things would

4:55

could go go away, just

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people places you hosted. I want

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to know your favorite forms of self care. Well,

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I told you guys that I have recently,

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as in the past week, gotten

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into face massage.

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Self face massage, which

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if you look on YouTube you can find a bunch

5:15

of ladies who will show you what's

5:17

it called, like MYO Fascial,

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MYO face Show. I don't know, Like a lot

5:22

of them have this book that this

5:24

um this Korean book that like

5:27

they're like, I don't know how to read this, but I found

5:29

this and it's got these amazing things, and so

5:31

a lot of it is kind of like the same. It's

5:34

like the same kind of pseudo

5:37

science of like a fake face rollers

5:39

and stuff where you're just sort of like, you

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know, there's a there's a real

5:44

function to that stuff that has nothing to do with like

5:46

jade or like rose courts or whatever

5:49

they make these rollers out of that supposedly like

5:51

calm your wrinkles or something like. Isn't it like lymphatically

5:54

drainage? It's your lymphatic system. So

5:56

you have all these like lymph nodes on

5:58

the sides of your face and some here

6:01

on like what's this called here, like not

6:03

your temples, but actually there I think there are

6:05

some on your temples. And so if you're like

6:07

not getting rest or you're just like you

6:10

know, not taking care of yourself, or you're

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dehydrated and stuff like, you can get kind of like puffy,

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and so you can you know, massage

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that out. You don't need a hundred fifty dollar jade roller

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from group. But um,

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but I find it very very calming,

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like because you're just sort of mirroring. Like

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there's this like Russian lady who does them, who I

6:29

find very calming, and you just sort of mirror her because

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she does it in real time and it's just like my

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brain just like drifts off to another planet while

6:36

I do it. Here's my problem with lymphatic massage.

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Because I got really into this. I noticed there

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was something of someone posted a picture

6:43

or something where they did it to half their face and not to

6:45

the other half, and they were definitely like less puffy

6:47

and looked all dowy on the side where they've done it.

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But then I started doing it, and I the more I started

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thinking about my lymph nodes. The more

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I started to become a crazy hypochondriac.

6:56

And then I started reading people being like, oh,

6:59

yeah, so and the stuff will drain

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into like your lower lymph nodes, so they might

7:03

be swollen, and don't freak out. It's like, don't

7:05

freak out tests, don't freak out. But

7:08

it was totally freaking out. I have to do one.

7:10

There's the last step is to go down and

7:13

like, I guess they can all go into your chest

7:15

or something. But then isn't that bad?

7:17

It sounded so scary. Also, I would be like, wow,

7:20

I have to see the dentist, Like what does it mean if

7:22

it hurts my jaw? Like I have to see the

7:24

Like this is not I find

7:27

it like a little intimidating

7:29

because I feel like those spot First of all,

7:31

it just makes you think about the fact that there's a skull

7:34

inside your head. There's so much stuff. I

7:37

love. It makes you think about like how the bones

7:39

are in there a lot, and

7:41

it just feels so weird when you touch

7:43

it. It's almost like I shouldn't be doing

7:46

this right, Like when you touch your belly button,

7:48

you're sort of like something.

7:50

There's like I'm not supposed to go here. Oh

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no, I love I love the fac thing.

7:55

I mean I one of my favorite things to think about

7:57

every once in a while is that I'll never get to see my own

7:59

skeleton. And like

8:02

everybody's skeleton, but your own theory, why

8:04

don't you like envision a better world?

8:07

Or maybe you will so. I actually see

8:09

this amazing glass

8:11

sculpture yesterday that somebody posted

8:13

where it was a glass sculpture of a person's soul

8:15

leaving their body. It was like

8:17

the best thing I've ever seen. But like, what if your skeleton

8:20

just like, yeah, you could.

8:22

I guess you could, like um, do a

8:24

mapping of it and then make

8:26

it out of fiberglass or but

8:29

depending on what kind of imaging you used,

8:31

you'd be exposing yourself to a ton of radiation

8:34

and then your skeleton

8:36

would be its days would be numbered, I

8:38

guess. And I get to see that skelet

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that's true. I really want to see my skeleton.

8:43

I can imagine what mine looks like, but

8:46

it might be surprising. Do you think you have a really

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good one? I don't know. We'll see

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your own skull. Yeah, I want to see my school because

8:52

I feel like my head is so huge, and so I'd like

8:54

to really see what it has

8:57

been the body world. Absolutely,

8:59

I've never in I keeping it well,

9:03

it is interesting and bad.

9:06

It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. And then all the

9:08

people that they use for the because they say

9:10

the corpses are donated willingly, the

9:12

original supposedly, yeah,

9:15

they're supposedly originally, but also the guy

9:17

who made it up, like they show pictures of him

9:20

and he looks like the Nazi from Rachel's

9:22

Lost art. You know, he's like an Austrian scientist

9:24

or something, and they're like, he invented plastinization,

9:27

the process of turning bodies into plastics.

9:30

But then one of the things I've

9:32

heard is that the bodies they use now are bodies

9:35

of prisoners in China, specifically

9:38

people who are in

9:40

Fallon Goong. M h

9:44

really yes, So when Falon Gong is

9:47

doing their protests and being like

9:49

the Chinese government is like fucking

9:51

you know, putting us in prison and like killing people, maybe

9:54

that's true. Okay,

9:57

so you want to call in and and somebody us

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a show Young and Fallonong expert

10:02

um because I when everybody was doing

10:04

the shen Yon memes, I was like, everyone's

10:07

going to get into fallonong is self care because I'm

10:09

kind of surprised white

10:11

people haven't tried to ruin taichi

10:14

more yet. You know they have tried,

10:17

Yeah, but just like it's

10:19

because taichi doesn't make you hot, you

10:22

know it though, like yoga

10:24

and everything else, if you can find a vanity

10:27

angle of it, then it will get co opted. Tchi

10:29

does make you hot because it's like constant movement.

10:32

I just feel like it's so in the goop sphere

10:34

that they would be like your energy is flowing that

10:36

they would like ruin it. Yeah, it's

10:38

weird how resistant it's been. Yeah,

10:41

it's interesting. Um. I

10:44

not not that these things are related at

10:46

all, but because I've been having this back

10:49

trouble, I did. I was walking around

10:51

where I'm staying in l A and I did go by

10:53

a chiropracticum place, and

10:55

I was thinking, like, what if this is the time,

10:58

maybe what if they make it work bird

11:02

I've never I mean, I'm not a backcracker at all.

11:04

It could be that I have like a hundred cracks

11:06

in my back and no

11:08

not on my back, on

11:11

your back, M I have phone role

11:13

in my back. But I don't do it regular I do it regularly,

11:15

and it changed my life. I'm like evangelist

11:18

for foone roll. When the last time I went to visit

11:20

my parents, my mom was like, she was

11:22

like, hold on, I have something for you. And I was like,

11:25

what's it going to be? And she came dragging

11:27

this foam roll in the kitchen and was

11:29

like lie down, and I was like I don't.

11:32

I don't want to. She was like, lie down, It'll

11:34

change your life. But I was so scared. I was

11:36

like, what is this. She didn't say what

11:38

it was, and I've never done it before, and she's

11:40

like, now you're sinking into the floor. I was like, it

11:43

was too much. It's too much for you. I mean, it is a lot.

11:46

It is. It's like it's like massaging your face,

11:48

but for your body. Right. But the thing about the

11:50

doing the back on the phone roller is

11:53

that you do have to keep your body somewhat stiff

11:55

in order to like actually do the

11:57

role. So I kind of feel like that's a little

11:59

bit it self defeating. Like I do my

12:02

legs, like I'll do like my quads and my butt

12:04

and stuff, because you can just kind of like relax on

12:06

it and just like turn yourself into jelly and go over

12:08

the thing. But um, I don't know. You

12:10

can also do it with like a tennis ball. Yeah,

12:13

I know that one. It's

12:15

just like it makes me feel like a cat in

12:17

a way that I love. You know, it

12:20

like combines a lot of things I like, and

12:22

it does really fuck me up, Like I find that

12:24

I will be like drooling by that and something.

12:27

That's That's what scares me a lot is

12:29

that it's like it's such a potent feeling.

12:32

It seems like it shouldn't be available

12:34

that easily. Now. I've been looking into it because I

12:36

keep being like, is there any scientific Like, is

12:39

there anything scientific to this? Because all

12:41

sports medicine is very opaque

12:44

to me. You know, rhyslactic acid,

12:47

that's real, I know. But anytime anyone

12:49

talks about like how exercise works, I'm

12:51

just like, that's crazy. I don't know what you're

12:53

talking. You know, releases.

12:56

This always gets me in a weird thing about

12:58

rab dough and CrossFit it where

13:01

you know about that where it's I mean, there

13:03

are just it's a horrible hole to go down where

13:05

you can read people's experience and part

13:08

of my self cares that. I think people

13:10

need to stop maximizing themselves, right.

13:13

I just hate the trend towards like full

13:15

optimization of like every moment

13:18

of your life is like scheduled towards a target

13:20

goal, and like every time

13:22

you're not working out, you're like relaxing

13:25

in a cryod chamber. Why do you guys think about,

13:27

like um standing desks or

13:30

jim balls for a chair. I hate

13:32

them, honestly, I hate them, both of them. Thank

13:34

you. I was not expected.

13:37

I was wondering where you are going? I find

13:39

not Where do you guys like to do work? I'm

13:42

always outside on my back

13:44

And it's

13:47

true though I do, but outside is good too.

13:50

I like, yeah, if I just have to read

13:53

stuff, I love having the excuse to just

13:55

go to the park and lie down and read for

13:57

I do work in my car a lot. Interesting. Yeah,

13:59

my cars my office because it's just

14:01

like a contained small there's not much

14:04

to distract do, Like all my interviews out of my car

14:06

interesting, like phone interviews. Yeah,

14:09

because I don't have a Like my house is

14:11

not a place I can get work done. For some

14:14

reason, I just then I want to like I get

14:16

distracted by like I have to do chores. This is

14:18

the thing I miss about having cars and being in

14:20

l A is that you do kind of have your own little personal closet

14:22

that you can drive around in, keep your

14:25

stuff in, like make phone calls.

14:27

Right, Like, that's close as I'll ever get to like

14:30

a coworking space, because

14:32

I just like the idea of tend freeway is

14:34

your coworking space. I have a back porch

14:36

where I where I do my my like

14:39

work, but it's I do

14:41

a lot of it from home and over the summer when

14:43

both of my kids are home where it's

14:45

really awkward because I'm like, I'm gonna go work

14:48

outside. Stay inside, don't

14:51

come outside, and there's like soccer balls

14:53

and like a dome to climb on. I'm like, no, you

14:55

can't have it because now I'm outside.

14:58

Better to delineate space his home as

15:00

being like this is the place where things get done because

15:02

you're like, it's also the place where I sleep and cook and

15:05

do all the other things. Well, that's a big thing. Um.

15:07

This is actually a very big self care thing

15:10

that I learned probably a while ago, like

15:12

maybe eight years or ten years ago or something. Don't

15:15

try to get anything done in your bedroom or the area

15:17

where you sleep, sleep for you

15:19

forever. Yeah, just so you can.

15:22

You have to compartmentalize, like this is my place

15:24

where I rest, and like the more that you can keep that. And

15:27

also like I find like the less stuff I have

15:29

in my room, which is kind of impossible impossibility

15:32

in my current apartment, but in general I

15:34

like to keep my room pretty empty

15:37

of things to look at. Um, I

15:39

can like finish things at my house, I just can't

15:41

start them. I have to leave the house to start

15:44

at. This is none of this is self care. We're talking about

15:46

being productive. What happens when you try and self

15:49

care. This is the modern

15:51

conundrum though. This is like the mindfulness

15:54

thing. Well that's like this is also the self

15:56

grandparenting thing. I decided on was I was like,

15:58

you can't be productive all the time, and

16:00

like it just sucks to like feel bad

16:03

about yourself when you're not being productive

16:05

because it's so out of your control for the

16:07

most part for so many people. Um,

16:10

and the world might end because the climate change. So

16:13

take up all those great hobbies,

16:15

take those walks and gardens, do

16:18

that, do all the early retirement stuff

16:20

that you fantasize about doing. Later.

16:24

Yeah, what is you know to

16:26

wrap up self care? Molly? What's your favorite self

16:28

care? Wow? Something,

16:30

I'll tell you something I want to get into. My favorite self care

16:32

is chopping vegetables and cooking. I

16:35

love cooking or like doing food prep

16:37

for your It's

16:39

productive, but it's also like you're taking care of yourself

16:42

because you're going to eat better that week. Yeah. I

16:44

just like prepping that, like prepping meals

16:46

totally. Always like that. I guess I also

16:49

worked in kitchens and I liked it then too.

16:51

I just find it calming. Um.

16:54

But something I want to get into stained glass.

16:56

I just decided took a stained

16:58

glass class this them or did she

17:00

like finishing it? She did

17:03

not. She told me it was not really what she

17:05

expected and she probably wouldn't stick with it.

17:07

She was glad she didn't like go all in and get all

17:10

the supplies. And I'm talking more about just like buying

17:12

one and like painting it. Ok.

17:16

She is doing the stuff where you have the pieces

17:19

of glass and you arrange them and then you do the like

17:22

soddering. Yeah. I don't know if I'm ready to get

17:24

into soldering. I think I just want to paint on some glass.

17:27

Yeah about what about

17:29

you mento gardening right now? But

17:31

also just I think we've talked a lot about

17:33

this and just cutting stuff down with a saw. Um.

17:36

I had a stressful day yesterday

17:39

and I ended up buying so

17:41

much mulch. It was like, that's also

17:44

part of it is that I buy all this mulch that is so

17:46

hard to carry, and then I'm like, curry

17:48

yourself and I like carry it, and

17:50

then I just like we'll carry it in buckets,

17:53

you know, to and fro, and there's

17:55

like no real point in my mind.

17:57

I'm like, okay, well it you know, it helps plants

18:00

retain water, and it like eventually breaks

18:02

down into nutrients and stuff. But it's really just that

18:04

I want to carry heavy stuff around but

18:07

not own more stuff or do

18:09

anything complicated, not in a cross

18:11

fit way. It's like a kid when a kid is like

18:13

you want to like just you bring like the bucket

18:16

goes over here, and it's just very

18:19

it's to arrange things. I know. I'm into pruning.

18:21

I also am obsessed with like controlling

18:23

the ants right now because it's aunt

18:25

season and I normally am very

18:28

I try and be very respectful of every living

18:30

but those cants, I'm mowed

18:32

down. I went outside with white vinegar

18:34

and castile so open like blasted them

18:37

because they were like near the doors and it was

18:39

just starting to they were encroaching. Um

18:42

So my self care is aunt murder, but

18:44

not always just seasonally. My

18:48

self care doesn't cost any

18:50

lives. But okay, um

18:54

no, I I mean the gardening thing

18:57

in a very small scale way, like

18:59

I'm is uh and now it's

19:01

sort of not really relevant anymore because all of my stuff

19:03

kind of withered for the summer. But um,

19:06

I did just do like window boxes on

19:09

my fire escape and like

19:11

having that because usually spend the first part

19:13

of my day in the kitchen where we had those. So I

19:15

would just like have some time in the

19:17

morning where I would just like check on everything.

19:20

I would kind of trim stuff. I would pull out little weeds

19:22

that had popped up in it. Like it was very It

19:25

felt like having one of those gardening games

19:27

or like fill or something, because it was something that I

19:29

could literally like this, this is how far I had to

19:31

reach out to get to the end of it. So

19:33

I could and I just had like a rugela I

19:36

still have um basil and

19:38

meant that I'm growing there. But um, I

19:41

tried to grow peppers, but they're not doing

19:43

anything. But so hard with the Everybody says

19:45

peppers are easy. I've never had luck with pepper.

19:48

Our peppers are just like failing right now.

19:50

I don't know why. But one time I got those

19:52

ornamental peppers from Trader Joe's. They have those

19:54

like ornamental pepper plants, and I had them on a table

19:56

and we had a guest over and he

19:59

just started eating the But by the time we

20:01

noticed he had eaten so many, we didn't want to be like,

20:03

oh stop, they're not edible, they're like probably

20:06

poisonous. So we just let him eat all the peppers

20:08

off the plant. Just never said anything. I

20:10

feel bad about that. They're

20:13

still alive. Yeah, unlike those ants. I

20:21

just want to take a nightcall. Yeah, we

20:23

got a good night call this

20:25

week. But it has a video component

20:29

and so we'll share it on our social

20:31

media. Well wherever you follow us.

20:33

You can't find it there because it is a very good video.

20:36

Um, it is a ghost is

20:39

a ghost video. It is a ghost video.

20:42

Bring it up. Do you want me to read it? I haven't. Oh

20:44

yeah, sure, Okay, So this comes from

20:46

Alex, Hey, night call. My friend

20:48

recently moved to Italy and her family went along

20:50

to help her get settled in. Here is a video

20:53

the security camera picked up from inside

20:55

the house while they were all out of the country. What

20:57

does it look like to you? Just six

20:59

weeks before she moved, her cherished pet

21:01

bunny Slumber, died of old age.

21:04

I know you can't play the video on the podcast,

21:06

but I thought you might enjoy it anyway. It might

21:08

be best to you on a phone. I'm worried

21:10

the video will get blurry and transit. I

21:14

mean, it looked pretty good to me. Attached,

21:16

we have two pictures and a video

21:19

of what is unmistakably

21:22

a ghost. Bun like leaps

21:25

from it

21:29

looks like it's kind of leaping from a kitchen

21:31

counter across the living room. Is

21:33

a ghost? Did you watch the video? I'll

21:35

play it right now. Oh my god.

21:39

I mean, it's a it's a it's a bunny.

21:42

Oh my god, it is. There's no questions.

21:47

It is also like, thank you for bringing

21:49

this to us first. I mean maybe maybe it's because

21:51

you haven't met a good ghostbuster

21:54

in Italy yet. Um, I don't know how you would say

21:56

ghostbuster in Italian. But I

21:58

think it's interesting the that the

22:00

bunny, even though the bunny

22:03

apparently what I can gather from this email,

22:06

died uh where she

22:08

used to live, but then

22:10

she moved to Italy and the bunny

22:13

came with her spirit like

22:16

that. That feels very different from especially from

22:18

like all the ghost stories that you know are in Um where

22:20

they caught the place. Yeah, it feels very place

22:23

oriented and can stay in

22:25

a place even if the place fundamentally changes,

22:27

like there's no longer a house there, or

22:30

the original structure is just different. But

22:32

this, this bunny made a trip. Maybe

22:35

pets can kind of attach themselves to

22:37

you, oh, to owners. Yeah,

22:40

yeah, it's a good yeah, because I

22:42

guess pets probably care more about

22:44

their owners than they do about whatever place they're

22:47

in. Maybe, I mean, we'd like to think.

22:49

So. I had a pet bunny in

22:51

high school named Diana who

22:53

died of pneumonia, and it was like

22:55

a really it was really sad. And then there was

22:58

you know, when I was like living in the country UM as

23:00

a kid, there were bunnies that would get

23:02

abandoned and we would like try and

23:05

rescue them. They're very fragile, bunnies.

23:07

If you have a bunny who's dying of old age, you've

23:10

done a very good job by that bunny. But I literally

23:12

just watched that video like fifteen times in a row

23:15

because it's it is it just very clearly

23:18

isn't a ghost animal leaping from

23:20

the kitchen island? Funny?

23:23

Real good? We'll share with everybody. Um,

23:26

can I bring up the thing that I've kept I

23:28

mentioned you guys before we did our our meet up

23:30

the other my horrible nightmare

23:33

that weeks ago. Um,

23:36

this is unrelated, but just I mean it's in the

23:38

realm of like paralnormal is stuff.

23:41

Um. I had what at

23:43

the time, like for a few seconds, I thought was

23:45

asleep paralysis with a shadow

23:48

person involved. Uh, you

23:50

know, real true heads of night call. Remember

23:52

that was like one of our first recurring topics.

23:55

But I was having a dream. And

23:58

I know it's so bored to talk about your dreams of other

24:00

people, but like I was having a dream that was very

24:02

vivid for me and also very literal. Usually my

24:04

dreams are very abstract, so it was

24:06

a very clear, normal, logical

24:09

dream. I was like at a at a kind of like some

24:11

kind of hostile or retreat or something, and I was

24:13

trying to get breakfast and then I

24:17

saw this thing come from

24:19

behind this woman I was talking to that

24:21

was like like it would have been

24:23

as tall as this room. Basically just like

24:26

the outline of a person that

24:28

was pitch black and kind of had like a grainy

24:30

outline to it and started

24:32

walking towards me and I in the dream,

24:35

I screamed, and it was this thing of like

24:38

something wasn't I felt. I felt like it was

24:40

not from my dream. It felt like an

24:42

outside thing intruding into

24:44

my dream. And I like wrenched

24:46

myself out of sleep and

24:49

like felt like I couldn't move for five seconds,

24:52

but then eventually could. But it was like it was truly

24:54

I've never had a dream like that. This

24:59

was way before, but I don't know, maybe

25:02

maybe eventually were like like like

25:05

trying to get free. Also

25:07

just want to say, Caustbusters and Italian is

25:09

called a fantasm me. That's

25:12

so cute, Sonny. But it made me. It

25:14

made me newly appreciate all

25:17

those stories that we were talking about and

25:19

your encounter also test because

25:21

I was like, that's actually

25:24

the freakiest thing. It's it's very

25:26

free that I can imagine like even though

25:28

that wasn't really truly a shadow

25:30

person and it was, but you don't know for sure,

25:33

I don't know. Yeah, but it was such a vivid dream

25:35

it wasn't scary. Dream

25:37

is the scariest thing in the world. And

25:40

yeah, I was just like, no, wonder like if

25:43

you were like if you were fully awake

25:45

and lucid and you saw a

25:47

thing where you couldn't see its face or it's just like a

25:49

black figure, Like, no,

25:52

it's the worst. It's the worst. So I

25:55

have a new appreciation for good. Yeah, it's

25:57

that's one of the things that I still it's one of those

25:59

rare moments where you like have this kind

26:01

of like blurry memory of you know,

26:04

like your experience of college,

26:06

and there's like a few things that flow to the top,

26:08

and I'm like, that's still one of my

26:11

most prominent memories of

26:13

like that time of my life, which I wish it weren't,

26:16

but it's such a it was such a like weird, just like

26:18

a completely unexplainable Yeah,

26:21

And I think I think also like

26:24

it's like I guess it's the same as like an accent or something

26:26

like if you got suddenly like hit by a car or something.

26:29

I feel like that would have a similar place, just because it's something

26:32

from so outside of your control and like

26:34

what you're involved in, Like it's something that just sort of invades

26:36

your life. Um yeah, I

26:39

wonder what the dream meant. I

26:41

have no idea. I was.

26:43

I was getting irritated in this

26:46

dream, like because I was late to

26:48

like a breakfast buffet at a like a hotel,

26:50

like a continental breakfast type thing, and

26:53

I had a plate and I was getting ready, and then this woman

26:55

just like took a like a hot like

26:57

a steam tray of eggs, like oh

27:00

for me? And I was like, I

27:02

was about was my proday for

27:04

the day, and like what do I now? And then I saw

27:06

the thing come from there was

27:08

a nightmare about protein. Um

27:12

yeah, I don't want to fully

27:14

open up nightcalled to people calling about

27:16

their dreams because that's

27:19

I feel like a whole other rabbit hole we could go

27:21

down very quickly. But if

27:23

you have any good particularly scared, any good

27:25

sleep paralysis stories, yeah yeah,

27:28

or lucid dreaming dreaming.

27:31

I don't have those kind of dreams or

27:34

nightmares because I smoked too much pot. I

27:36

smoke a ton of pot, and I still have dreams in nightmares,

27:38

I have nightmares. If I stopped

27:40

smoking POT, I immediately start having the most vivid

27:42

nightmares. Um. If I'm ever like on

27:45

a trip and I am taking a break from pot,

27:48

I will start having those nightmares

27:50

so fast it makes me afraid to go to sleep night

27:53

Marion Home Street because

27:55

I've heard because

27:58

I would always be like pot, like stop dame from

28:00

having dreams. And then my brother would be like, that's a good anti

28:02

drug slogan because

28:04

it mostly

28:08

two levels. But speaking

28:11

of two levels, there

28:13

are two trips to the Canty Valley. Yeah

28:16

there, I was going to say there are two levels, the

28:19

heavy side layer, the

28:21

heavy side layer, heavy side Layer,

28:24

and Kitty Heaven. I think it's the other

28:26

layer. We are, of course talking about cats,

28:30

cats, jellical

28:33

cats and jellical jellical

28:35

cats. Jellical cats. I don't

28:37

know that cats

28:41

coal cats. Um the trailer

28:43

for Cats open.

28:47

Uh. What came on the internet? I guess

28:49

dropped on the internet earlier

28:52

this week. When did it? When did it come out? Because I didn't

28:54

mind it for like two days. It

28:57

was guys, it's been talked about

28:59

so much. What we have to talk about it and we hate

29:02

to beat a dead cat. Um,

29:05

yeah, but why

29:08

can't Why did they only have two boobs? Cats

29:11

have far more rest

29:13

than two. They looked at

29:16

this, I mean, this is all like it's been said, it's

29:18

been said, but it's like, I hate

29:20

the fact that this is in the world. I hate the

29:22

fact that they look so nude.

29:26

I don't know, counterpoint, it's

29:28

perfect per have

29:30

you So, so I've seen Cats,

29:33

I've never seen it. You've never seen cats?

29:36

You saw Cats? No, I've never seen I've seen

29:38

Like I looked

29:41

through the YouTube. I'm familiar with the soundtrack,

29:43

and I've seen like high school productions

29:46

on YouTube. Because finally I was like, screw

29:48

it, I need to see Cats. But I'm not going to go

29:50

to any trouble. So I just patch

29:52

worked it together and was like, oh I hate

29:55

this, like I love it. Oh

29:57

yeah, Like, well, if you're going to really

29:59

get this said of what a play is at

30:01

its core, you need to look up like the jan Keest,

30:04

like parent cell Phone whatever. I've

30:06

watched a lot of your Good Man Charlie Brown that way.

30:10

For some reason, Cats is the most eighties

30:12

thing of all time besides Phantom

30:14

of the opera. Well they're all, they're all And I'm

30:17

me thinking about that too, because I was like, does this mean they're going to like

30:19

make Missigon next, Like that's

30:21

never been Like

30:24

how is it still legal to show miss

30:27

I know because miss Psygon in Iowa?

30:30

Because now every time they stage that, they're like, we're making

30:32

it better. That's what they say about South

30:34

Pacific too, and I think South Pacific should

30:36

be like, well, I feel like it's

30:39

not there should be illegal because it's sort

30:41

of like no, no, no, I mean because

30:43

it is like so many musicals are so racist,

30:46

but it's also like the idea

30:48

of like whitewashing that stuff away. It's like it's a document

30:51

of all these different times when people were racist

30:53

they have to considerin these sort of reduce

30:55

of these old Rogers and Hammerstein musicals.

30:58

I wanted to see the Caasel

31:01

production that was the

31:03

best still bummed me

31:05

out so much as a kid, obviously, but I was

31:07

like, maybe I would like to see it in this

31:09

context where they've really like you know,

31:11

I don't, I don't know, but apparently they were much more kind

31:14

of it was much more kind of honest and looking about

31:16

looking at the fact that it's about an abusive relationship,

31:18

like you know on the surface. Um,

31:21

but yeah, and then the the Oklahoma. I mean,

31:23

I don't know. I'm not a theater person. I don't go to these

31:25

things Oklahoma. Also,

31:28

I think it's silly when they're like we're doing an edgy

31:30

reboot of Oklahoma. It's

31:32

like, who we're saying? It was like what

31:35

did they say? Oh, yeah, hot Oklahoma? That fox

31:37

Like I saw Oklahoma

31:39

with like h E A U X in the

31:41

middle. Um, it

31:44

makes me want well, But I also remember like that was like

31:46

when Hugh Jackman, that was his thing was they were like

31:48

sexy Oklahoma like a million years. I just feel

31:50

like whenever they try to like do an old musical

31:52

or play, they're like, it's sexy. Now you

31:55

know, it's always been sexy, Okay.

31:59

I it's so like I just feel like it's funny that musicals

32:02

were like the dominant American art form

32:04

and then they weren't anymore. But

32:07

then in the eighties there was this period when they

32:09

turned into like tent pole blockbusters

32:11

briefly because it was

32:14

the thing. It was like you have to see this, you

32:16

have to see it in person. Helicopter lands

32:18

on the stage. I've never seen miss the

32:21

helicopter lands on that. I know that the handelier

32:23

drop in in phanroom. They

32:25

all have these like I mean, lame is

32:27

I guess the main thing is just like the barricades, like

32:30

the nature of the set itself, and lame is this

32:32

sort of like the spectacle. But yeah, all those eighties,

32:34

all those eighties music girls have some

32:37

stagecraft thing that's like, you gotta see

32:39

it. So the stagecraft in Cats is

32:42

that they're all dressed like cats and

32:45

they dance around and

32:47

they're in purgatory and

32:50

then one of them goes to heaven at

32:53

the end. That's Cats. It's very similar

32:55

to God's spell. I've never seen a spell.

32:58

Actually, well, it's just the most like it's

33:00

it's strange poetry. Yeah,

33:03

but I like the energy is so like strange.

33:05

I appreciate it. I feel

33:08

like it's real theater kid on it. It is very

33:10

it's not trying to be cool because

33:12

it acknowledges that it will never be cool,

33:15

and it leans all the way into that. And

33:17

the choral reading specifically,

33:20

like did you guys ever do choral reading where

33:22

you find a way you guys go on,

33:24

go on, choral reading is where

33:27

this is something I've also went back to look

33:29

at like high school videos and stuff. Um, you're

33:32

in a group choir. You don't sing.

33:35

You recite a poem together as a group,

33:37

but you can take turns. People

33:40

might say one line and then you know, somebody

33:42

might walk over here to say another line. It's like choreographed

33:45

group reading of a poem. I did one

33:47

to jabberwock You once. It

33:50

was probably the worst thing I've ever been

33:52

a part of. That sounds great, but

33:55

it's that energy though. It's like we

33:58

don't need a plot necessary, Like we're

34:00

here to indulge in like the

34:02

power of the human happening and

34:05

yeah it's happening on a show. Yeah,

34:07

god, kids are doing a show. Is podcasting

34:10

coral reading? No? Absolutely

34:12

not no, because coral reading is all about creating,

34:16

creating like tempo of speech

34:18

all mimsy were the ball grow

34:21

like that guy? Do you still know the job Rocky

34:23

parts of it? Do you know job Rocky? I used

34:25

to I don't think. I don't think for

34:29

a night. Coom Bonus episode were at

34:34

the Patreon five

34:37

dollars a month. I definitely also know

34:39

it. It's the only poem I know, oh really

34:41

yeah, And I used to, like when I worked at a grocery store,

34:43

I would recite it in my head over and over

34:45

again to try and make time pass. It's got

34:48

that very kind of soothing need er

34:50

where it's like it's like a Radiohead

34:52

song or something. For the meaning of it doesn't really matter.

34:54

It's just like the sound of it was good for like scanning

34:57

groceries. It's like, you guys have mantra,

35:00

Yeah, armantras the jagger

35:04

in high school and speech makes

35:06

so much sense. Should

35:08

we answer another night call? Oh

35:11

no, no, I'm gonna talk about the Lion King. You thought

35:13

you were getting away without the Lion

35:16

King. So the Lion

35:18

King, the Lion

35:20

King. That part

35:22

takes place during the day. Um

35:27

King. I didn't. I wasn't planning on it

35:29

at all. But a friend of mine was like, it's very hot.

35:31

Do you want to go see the Lion King? And I was like, yes, I

35:33

do. Let's make it even hat her baby. Yeah.

35:36

I was just like, I've accomplished nothing today. I'm moving through sludge,

35:38

Like I want to go eat popcorn and sit in an air

35:40

conditioned room and like watch some garbage. Uh

35:44

it is knocking. I mean

35:47

what we get. What we get like roasted forever.

35:50

If we say that the original Lion King was

35:52

no, it was, will get roasted because

35:54

it will reveal us all as old millennials.

35:57

Look, I just watched I watched young millennials

36:00

love it, and I've watched it like twice this year

36:02

already. Well

36:04

you have. You had to show it to some curious

36:07

and I had to see if it held up. And I was

36:09

like, oh, because I remember when I first

36:11

saw it. I was like, oh, I think I'm aging

36:13

out. I remember that too, because I was like,

36:16

we had just gotten into boys, so we were like,

36:18

we don't want these boys to think we want to see the Lion

36:20

King. Yeah, but then I was thinking

36:22

about I also saw like move on in Hercules

36:24

and the other ones. After that, I was like, who

36:27

cares? Yeah, I think I

36:29

saw Hercules on a day when the teacher

36:31

gave up and just decided to show a video

36:33

Like I I never saw that in the theaters, Like, yeah,

36:36

I didn't. I remember definitely. I think I think I even

36:38

saw it in like a group date scenario where it

36:40

was just like this is like sexy

36:42

Disney. This is

36:44

the other thing is that like that, So lan

36:47

King is definitely when I was like, I'm I'm

36:49

too old for this ship now, and it was

36:52

totally I was like ten or something and

36:54

I was like done. But but it was also

36:56

about animals, and I'm just like, I mean, I like

36:58

animals in general, but I'm not going to be captivated

37:01

by like a story about an animal. You

37:03

know, it's the animals social dynamics.

37:05

You're like, oh, this is too that's

37:08

not like not, that's not the

37:11

problem for me at all, because I just watched

37:13

my favorite animated movie, The Secretive

37:16

nim is really

37:18

good. I would love to go back and let's do an episode

37:20

about it. Okay, but that's

37:22

a story about animals. But I am very particular,

37:25

like I hate Watership Down. Yeah,

37:27

I hate like I do hate a lot of times when sell

37:30

Yeah, I love Animal Farm, but

37:33

most things where they're like the animals have a society,

37:35

and for some reason, it's just like ours are. You

37:38

know what I liked Oliver and Company. Oliver and

37:40

Company is so good. It's the first movie I ever mine

37:43

was The Great Mouse Detective. These are

37:45

both from the like pre Disney Vamp.

37:49

But the other thing that I

37:52

can't believe. I had never thought about this before. I guess it's

37:54

just because I don't think about The Lion King that much.

37:56

But can you imagine like like

37:59

all those songs that are so timeless

38:01

or whatever, but like they specifically well

38:04

one they're like, we're gonna do a Disney

38:06

movie, but we're going to have it set in Africa, and

38:08

it's like for diversity, I

38:10

guess or something. But of course they're all animals, so you

38:12

don't have any actual like African

38:15

people in it. But then you also like,

38:17

for the original score for this African

38:19

set story about lions,

38:22

will have famous John

38:25

musician Elton John do

38:27

the songs. I don't know, I never really

38:29

thought about that before because I was just like, oh, this songs

38:32

from the Lion King or the songs from the Lion King, like that's just what

38:34

they are. But I was like, that would definitely not happen

38:36

now. Yeah, yeah, Well there was also that period

38:39

in the long eighties into the nineties

38:41

of just, uh, every white

38:43

musician like an album where

38:45

they work with like African musicians,

38:48

right, you mean the Paul Simon. We

38:51

know who you're talking. I'm talking about enemy

38:55

Paul Simon. You imagine if Paul Simon

38:57

did the songs for Lion King No suck

38:59

him so much. I'm glad he

39:01

didn't. Did he ever do Disney movie songs?

39:04

I'm so absolutely not. He's too much of a Missinthrop.

39:06

But I feel like it was like, okay, so they had the big hit with

39:09

Elton John and then they tried to reply they'll

39:13

call it cons did Tarzan, and

39:15

then Emperor's New Group was supposed to be sting,

39:17

but he like dropped out halfway. And that's why

39:19

Emperor's New Group is really good because it has no songs in it.

39:21

Oh, it doesn't know. It's just a funny cartoon.

39:23

It's like a Looney tune. It's I couldn't get

39:25

through it, to be honest, I never saw that one. I

39:28

tried, but I tried. It has the best

39:30

Disney villain of just a

39:32

great Disney villain whose earth a kit. Her

39:34

name is Easma, and she's like Ursula

39:37

is still the best villain. She's like an inca priestess.

39:39

She's great east most kind

39:41

of Ursula is a genuinely

39:43

terrifying villain. We're

39:46

talking about at our at our at our,

39:48

at our meet up, our secret and I call meet up

39:50

for only certain I

39:53

did nothing wrong. She had

39:56

a garden of souls deals just

40:00

trying to make a life for herself in the gig

40:02

economy. It's true. Well also like she

40:04

she and I mean Triton definitely kicked her

40:07

to the curve at some point, like they, she was exiled

40:09

from society. She just wants to take down the

40:11

monarchy. I

40:13

mean she has a rich personal

40:16

life. But Little Mermaid, she

40:18

has two eel friends, the

40:20

Eels. I saw these guys wants to Disneyland who

40:22

were dressed as the Eels. Were

40:25

they like professionals or no? They were disney bounding

40:27

because you're not allowed to wear a real costume

40:29

and Disneyland because they don't want you to mistake

40:31

be mistaken for an employee, so you can only

40:34

do this thing like Disney or has found a way around

40:36

it called disney bounding, which is where you dresses like

40:38

a streetwear version of a character. So

40:40

it's all entirely about color blocking for

40:42

the most part. And it's actually really

40:45

like they get because there's these Disney biker

40:47

gangs, you know, but this is like an offshoot

40:50

to that, so that I saw these this one guy

40:52

who was flotsom and I was like, oh

40:54

my god, he's looking for his jets m. And

40:58

also just to pick such a such a

41:00

niche character and be like that is me. I

41:03

like that. But yeah, I love the

41:05

Little Mermaid and I love Beauty

41:07

and the Beast, and by Lion King. I was kind of over

41:09

it about Aladdin. I

41:11

love Aladdin. It's pretty good. Aladdin

41:14

is probably the best one. Maybe I

41:16

wasn't into Aladdin. Do you think he was hot?

41:20

I was saying that some of my friend yesterday. Also,

41:22

I think, like what makes The Lion King

41:24

remake so bad is that

41:26

there are no humans in it. I think in part

41:29

because it's also just like it just makes

41:31

you appreciate hand drawn animation so much

41:34

because that's the thing. It's like, why who wants to watch

41:36

a realistic hat walk around? It's photo

41:38

realistic, but they don't have testicles,

41:40

which is like so distracting the whole time. But

41:43

you understood, you understand it would

41:46

be distracting either way. I mean, like

41:48

a shadow or something. It's like they

41:50

go so far out of their way to be like the animals

41:53

do not have orifices, but they are in every

41:55

other way anatomically and they feel

41:58

like deire and romance, like

42:00

the desire no man's that part doesn't bother me.

42:02

Lion's falling in love doesn't bother me. What

42:05

bothered me was just like their eyes are like

42:08

soulless looking. Yeah, the way the c G

42:10

I is, it's like there's no

42:12

warmth. The whole thing just lacks

42:14

warmth. And that's all These Disney live action remakes

42:17

are like that. Cartoons are great.

42:19

Like kids like cartoons, I

42:21

maintain like everybody's like, oh,

42:24

it'll be better if it's photo

42:26

realistic, but care

42:30

watching Doug the other day and I was like,

42:32

check out, Ever,

42:35

it's so to I remember, like I

42:37

some of the cartoons I watched as a kid that were so

42:40

shitty, but that I remembered being well animated.

42:42

And then I saw I remember I saw like a teenage

42:44

mutant Ninja Turtles in college

42:46

and he was like, oh my god, this is like the

42:48

animation is terrible, but

42:51

it doesn't matter. When the animation improves

42:53

over the course of a series,

42:55

and then you go back and watch it with

42:57

the same characters that you've kind of like a adapted

43:00

to seeing, you know, evolved,

43:02

it can be really Jarry like The Simpsons obviously

43:04

what we're talking about. But I tried to go back

43:07

the other day. I was like, I'll just start watching The Simpsons

43:09

from the beginning, as one does, and

43:11

I was like this, it gave me a creepy

43:14

feeling. I was like, all of a sudden, everything's

43:16

been undone. It's like I saw like the Spool unwrapped.

43:19

Our friend Alex Pepadevens was saying that The Cat's

43:21

trailer was what made him have to explain the Uncanny

43:24

Valley his daughter, um

43:26

as good as time is any. The Lion

43:28

King movie takes place entirely in the Uncanny

43:30

Valley Pride Rock and

43:34

like the voice acting is not great, I will

43:36

say the m v P. Billy

43:39

Rely on the Street by Billy

43:42

steals the movie. He and Southrogon

43:44

are by far the best part, which I was like, not expecting.

43:46

It's like the movie PEPs up finally when they

43:48

show up, and it actually also

43:50

has something that I liked. The one thing I liked

43:52

about it was that like to

43:55

again, because I don't remember the original very

43:57

well. It's like it wasn't like The Beauty and

43:59

the Beast one. I was like comparing it in my mind

44:02

the whole time to like the better version that is

44:04

original this. I didn't remember anything

44:06

about the original Lion king, so I was just like, this

44:08

is the weirdest me. If you

44:11

didn't, if you came from space and saw this, you would

44:13

just be like, humans are Hamlet.

44:15

Everbody always says it's Hamlet. It is Hamlet. It's

44:18

not really Hamlet. Yeah, it is. Your uncle comes

44:20

and takes the kingdom away from you and your dad. I

44:23

don't know. And it's also all stolen from an anime

44:26

Kimba Kimba the White Lion,

44:28

which is Hamlet about a lion. Speaking

44:37

of I don't know is

44:40

growing up? Um, we have another

44:43

night call speaking of feeling love. Hi,

44:46

my name is Logan. UM. I've

44:49

currently going through all of

44:51

your old episodes and listening and I feel like

44:53

I have just made three new friends. But

44:56

so I have many many ghost stories and

44:59

weird ship that has happened. UM.

45:02

But I have a question tonight,

45:05

UM, and that question is, did

45:08

you guys have anything odd happened

45:10

to you when you were like twenty eight

45:12

or thirty one? Did you feel like that was a

45:15

significant time in your life? Because

45:17

that is when you're astrological.

45:19

Saturn return happened, which brings

45:22

about a lot of um

45:24

change and emotional upheaval and

45:26

big life moves. So I was

45:29

just wondering if you guys could stay back and

45:32

recognize that you're slat in the turn um

45:35

impacted you at all. All right, good

45:37

night, Thank you very much for that night call

45:40

Logan. I think I heard that right, Um

45:43

Saturn returns. Guys. I

45:47

feel like I've talked about this off the pod, but I've

45:49

gone so weirdly deep on astrology,

45:52

uh in the last few months, just because

45:55

Um, I was like

45:57

my insurance change so I can't see my therapist

46:00

anymore. So that's what happened

46:03

free therapy exactly. Well, it's

46:05

like if you really it's good. It's a thing of like you want

46:07

to read about yourself a lot, then like get

46:09

into astrology. But um,

46:12

that is true. I mean I'm not always in therapy,

46:15

but I think you can do a lot of what they

46:17

do in therapy by just asking yourself a bunch

46:19

of leading questions like a journalist. That's

46:22

what I just generally do. Although then there's also

46:25

the bad version of that, where you're like trying to fall asleep

46:27

and you're like, oh, yeah, no, don't do it when

46:29

you're trying to go self care.

46:32

Self care. Self care is not um lying

46:35

away wondering where it all went wrong. Uh,

46:38

I think that a return is real. I

46:40

did a lot of ship happen to you guys between when

46:43

you were twenty one. I mean yeah, but

46:45

like it makes sense. I

46:49

didn't like, I don't like that phase

46:51

because that was the phase when everybody started to like

46:53

settle down, and I was like, I am not ready

46:56

like rage against the dying of the light, like

46:58

very hard, um, And

47:01

that took a while to get over. But maybe that's what it was.

47:04

You guys have probably already gone through your Saturn return

47:07

or we're like in it. But when I met you, right,

47:09

yeah, I mean I think it's also like that period

47:11

of time was also the period of time when I was like steadily

47:14

employed. So I think at the time I was

47:16

like, here begins my life as an

47:18

adult, and then recently I've

47:20

been more like that was maybe like just

47:22

another phase of my life, and then this is

47:24

another another phase of my life. We actually

47:27

you you started at grant Land, I think

47:29

right when Molly and I had begun because

47:32

I think I was twenty nine. I

47:34

was twenty nine when my first kid was born, right,

47:38

and Molly's just a couple of months younger

47:40

than I turned twenty seven, like that

47:43

first year that I was in Korean Yeah, so yeah,

47:46

um that was pre Saturn. Yeah,

47:48

it was pretty sadur Returns. I

47:50

thought it was twenty seven because that's

47:52

when people am I just thinking of the club,

47:55

just thinking of, um,

47:59

yeah, because I had to jo

48:03

theme party. Um, but I

48:05

I yeah, I think of like

48:07

the years before that being so much harder

48:10

for me, And I

48:12

guess it was a different kind of hard because I

48:14

had that job and then like from then, I when I

48:16

was doing like very demanding jobs,

48:18

but I had like a stable income, like you said,

48:20

so I felt I didn't feel like the same kind

48:23

of struggle. But I was definitely, like I guess,

48:25

learning lessons. If you want to think about Saturn

48:27

Returns in that way, which is technically what it is.

48:29

It's not necessarily supposed to be like, oh, all

48:31

the bad ship happens to you. It's just that

48:34

like you are going to learn important life lessons.

48:36

Yeah. I thought it was like you take stock of everything

48:38

you've learned so far. And

48:40

you're like, it's your courter life, christis what am

48:42

I going to? Like? Yeah, but

48:45

I also feel like, yeah, I feel like twenty five

48:47

was when I was like, what the funk am I doing? Really

48:49

hard? Because I had like imagined

48:52

I would know by then, you know, just

48:55

like I was like a twenty five year old like knows what

48:57

they're doing in life, and so yeah,

49:00

I guess seven was when like things I had been

49:02

doing for free for a long time, like finally

49:05

started to pay off in terms of getting

49:07

work from it. Yeah, So it

49:09

did feel like, oh, it's a different

49:12

phase. Um. But then

49:14

there was I was talking to somebody else about this, like that that

49:16

thing is when you start to get paid to do the thing

49:19

you like, and then that becomes its own kind

49:21

of burden, right, Well, having a job sux

49:23

and not having a job sex and they suck

49:25

in a different way. But there's

49:28

no there's no happy medium and and

49:30

freelancing, which like technically, you know, theoretically

49:32

should be like the best of both worlds. It's

49:34

like the worst of the worst of it. It's

49:37

the worst. And then there was that threat

49:39

on Twitter the other day about the editor

49:42

who was trying to chase down freelance

49:44

payments. Yeah, that's just life.

49:47

She was owed five thousand dollars. Yeah,

49:50

and it was just her trying to get it back. And you

49:52

know all of these different publications who she redacted,

49:55

the publications themselves, but you

49:58

know them trying to be like, well, yes

50:00

we're late, but we're not going to pay you

50:02

a late payment because that that's just

50:04

crazy. If you ever want to write here again,

50:06

we're not going to give me that. A nightmare. Thing about the

50:08

gig economy that was about one of the door

50:11

Dash or somebody or it was like, if you tip

50:13

them, they take it out of their pas. Yes,

50:16

because what they do is they take tips and then

50:18

they try and say like, okay, well you're making

50:20

minimum wage because you've made this much in tips.

50:23

But that's all. That's not just door Dash. They do

50:26

that at plenty of service restaurants and UM.

50:28

Someone I talked to and I was on the

50:30

daily site geist about UM when I was

50:32

waitressing and a chat like a party

50:35

walked out on their check and it had I had to make

50:37

up the difference out of my paycheck. So I went home

50:39

like twenty dollars poorer than I started

50:42

the day and someone else

50:44

worked at the same fast casual

50:46

restaurant and they tweeted and they were like, oh, the

50:48

same thing happened to me. I was making two dollars an

50:50

hour. Yeah. While

50:52

we're talking about astrology really quick, we should

50:54

shout out Ariana Lennarski, friend of

50:57

the pod. Um she did tarot card

50:59

readings that are mean up and they were all so

51:01

crazy accurate. Yeah, they were amazing.

51:04

I've actually want to say that, like

51:07

in lieu of therapy, that was the best thing

51:09

that I've done in a million years. It

51:11

made me feel like everything made sense.

51:13

So book arian Lenarski Dream

51:16

City Tarot, Dream City Tarot. She's

51:18

got a podcast, what's

51:21

your deal? Yeah, that's

51:24

a taro based podcast. Yeah. She

51:26

was great. I had a very it was very like

51:29

it was not an optimistic reading, but she

51:31

made me feel better about it. I was like, oh, no,

51:34

let's say where this was. Oh so this

51:36

was that? Um, I said it was at our lot

51:38

at our meet up at the Wattles. First,

51:42

tell you if we can tell you about it now that it's already

51:44

happened, But after we've done

51:46

a meetup, we can tell you where that it was. Because

51:48

we're going to try to move around, but

51:51

yeah, it's for our our lovely Patreon

51:54

supporters at the twenty dollar

51:56

and up level. Um, we've been trying to do

51:58

these quarterly meetups where um

52:00

well and I think we'll figure out where we do

52:02

the next one. But the first one was in l A out

52:04

here over the weekend. Lovely day at

52:07

Waddles Mansion, which we've talked about

52:09

a few times on the pod. Um but it

52:11

was great. We got to meet its, great people

52:13

came to area listeners and just

52:15

chat and um, yeah we had a tarot,

52:18

we had an Arianna read tarot in a tarot

52:20

tent um and we were just at a haunted

52:22

mansion during the day. Yeah, I didn't

52:25

see any ghosts, but we did have an octopus balloon

52:27

that kept like trying to see, which

52:29

did add a spooky feel. Um.

52:33

I just saw another picture of it. It belongs

52:35

to a child. Now, oh nice. Yeah,

52:39

thanks so thank you everybody who came out for that,

52:41

um, all our friends of the pod. It was super,

52:43

super fun and you want to

52:46

join our Patreon you can do so at patreon

52:48

dot com slash Nightcall and

52:52

yeah, we'll be do another on one in October.

52:55

I guess yeah, some

52:57

more on that soon. Also, thank you for

53:00

are bearing with us. We wonder we as

53:02

we're recording this really don't know we were

53:04

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53:07

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53:09

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53:12

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