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Um. One and a half of us are under

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the weather right now, I would say,

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Um, so we might we might be a little

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bit on on sick time. I

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am the holy sick person. I'm

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the point five. Molly's the point five.

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It's so healthy and amazing, right, I think

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it might be a point to five at this point. So

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I will give you my energy. Um.

1:22

But it's good to be loopy because we're going to talk about

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eyes wide shut today later in

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the show. The fans have been demanding that

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we devote an entire episode of the show

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to eyes watch shut and we're going to do it

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and the fans. First,

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we wanted to apologize for the delay

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on our newsletter and Mix this week, which

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we're not going to blame entirely on the sickness.

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But whoa, it definitely was

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not me. It wasn't what I was talking

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about me. I was talking about me. I blame myself

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for not doing the mix

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of Society. Look

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at did that nice? Um.

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But we've also made a change to our Patreon

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tier scheme where we are now giving

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the newsletter and mix away two people

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at the dollar a month tire because we wanted

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more people to hear it and be able to read it,

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and we wanted to make a little cheaper for

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everybody. Tell your friends, UM,

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and we'll be slimming down this show notes a little bit.

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That's the that's the one thing that's kind of going away,

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uh, But everything else from

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the five dollar level and up will

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stay the same. We do also have our

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pins in process right now.

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That really gives though. If you are

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at the ten dollar and up level,

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UM, you can expect that soon. Please

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update your mailing information. If you're not, uh,

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it might be a good time to get on the ten dollar These

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are really good pins. Uh spoiler

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alert there spooky the speak

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them for October. Speaking of

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spooky things and October.

2:49

A lot of scary movies coming out lately,

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a lot of twisted and twisted movies.

2:55

Uh, we aren't

2:57

talking about Joker. This

2:59

is our public service announcement that we are

3:02

not talking about this week. No no,

3:04

no dot dot dot this week, this week, not never,

3:06

this week. We're talking about a problem hopefully

3:08

next week. Um, we're all planning to fly

3:12

to Russia to see it. I think

3:15

I don't think Russia

3:18

right now. I think somebody promised us

3:20

they might know a Russian caravan that

3:22

will show us the film. Now we're going to

3:24

incriminate somebody else. And no, no, no, we're

3:26

going to the Bermuda Triangle. I

3:28

was saying, if we get in trouble for saying

3:30

we're going to pirate Joker, it would be great publicity

3:33

for this podcast. So actually, everybody

3:35

like tweet about the fact that we're pirating

3:37

we're gonna pirate Joker because I don't want to pay

3:40

for it and I don't want to go see it in a theater

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at the m p a A with But

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we're not We're not quite waiting

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fully waste deep into the Joker discourse yet because

3:51

we have too much to say, I

3:53

think, but I'm telling you were already

3:55

sick enough. I did stick

3:58

in the mind, but I did to talk about some

4:01

tweets that I saw last night, because I think

4:03

everybody was wondering if anything would happen

4:05

at the Joker screenings, because obviously it

4:07

was almost like a marketing tool the

4:10

way they were being like watch out like

4:12

horror movies or people faint, but it's like watch

4:14

out, you might get shot into

4:16

the movie theater l O L. I don't know it

4:19

worked on me, to be honest. That's like

4:21

to make you want to see to make you never want

4:23

to want to see it, maybe not want to see

4:25

it's it's way less the Todd

4:27

Phillips. Oh, I already didn't want to

4:29

see it, but I think I was like, maybe I'll

4:32

see it for the laws, and then I was like, no, I don't even

4:34

want to do that for

4:36

free, for fabe, I don't know you're gonna

4:38

pay for another movie at least such as

4:40

well. This brings us to our

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friend Amy Twitter friend

4:46

Amy friend of the pod uh whose

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Twitter name is aimed for the throat said

4:51

last night that she went to go see Judy.

4:54

She tried to go see Judy, the Judy Garland biopic

4:56

star Renise solid Choice, and

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these are Amy's tweets for last sight. When

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you think you're seeing Judy, but your sleep addled

5:03

brain got the showtime's wrong and Joker is

5:05

the only thing still playing at ten, so you

5:07

resign yourself to it. And the night ends with

5:09

thirteen people getting arrested for fighting in

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the theater. People demanded

5:13

follow up, and she said,

5:16

at first, she said, I think Todd Phillips found a way to

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punish me for making a welcome to my Twisted

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Mind quip twenty minutes into the runtime.

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My god, so here

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the tweets. Uh. The guy sitting

5:27

directly to my right got in a yelling match with

5:29

some dude who was sitting a few seats over. Security

5:32

guards and body armor and headlights come in

5:34

and haul out one of them. The one on my right

5:36

was very testosterony and it made me nervous.

5:39

A body armored guard rushes back in, hauls

5:42

out the woman who was with the guy they took out. The

5:44

movie ends, I asked the security

5:46

guard at the door. What happened? He said,

5:48

Oh, that guy was drunk, loud

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and vaping. The real party

5:53

happened in the other screen, playing Joker.

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Thirteen people were arrested. I

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think he's fucking with me. Nope, thirteen

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people were violently fighting and breaking bottles

6:02

on each other. They sent in a dozen squad

6:04

cars and handcuffed them on the theater floor.

6:07

The screening that everyone was arrested and started

6:09

fifteen minutes earlier than mine. I went to

6:11

the later show just so I could buy a slushy,

6:14

and then a baby Mountain Lion ran in front of my car

6:16

on the drive back, but she didn't

6:19

hit at the baby mountain Lion was fine. She

6:21

said the whole thing it

6:23

was a weird, a weird fever dream.

6:26

It was an AMC thousand Oaks, And she said I should

6:28

have known when I made a ha hat. Well, I guess

6:30

I'll be brave remark about switching movies

6:32

from Judy to Joker, and without

6:34

batting an eye, the clerk said, Oh, don't worry, we

6:37

hired extra security just for this movie.

6:40

That's such. I mean that all feels like such

6:42

a stunt, though it is a stunt, and it's

6:44

like a chicken and egg thing because it is like they

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have cops that a lot of the screenings, and

6:49

so they're looking for people like jostling

6:51

for things, and phones

6:54

are also things. People. Vaping

6:56

in The Joker is like the least unexpected thing

6:58

ever. Seems

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like the vaping ist movie in the world. Yeah,

7:02

I don't know when only Outlaws

7:05

convey it's just

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so I don't know, it feels like they're

7:09

so god, I don't know. I don't want it for

7:12

next week. Yeah, it's just like

7:14

the marketing around this movie, even like

7:16

beyond the movie itself, but just like watching

7:19

Phoenix Went to a Dark Place. But yeah,

7:22

that also, the Joker curse

7:24

is not real because Jack Nicholson was

7:26

fine. That's just like Heath

7:28

Ledger was. Well yeah,

7:31

yeah, Heath Ledger was a specific circumstances.

7:33

But it does not like The Joker makes you like Caesar

7:36

Romero is fine. People who played like the

7:38

idea that the Joker drives you crazy. It's like a

7:40

famous role that drives you crazy. Not true.

7:42

I also looked really deeply into the Kennedy

7:44

Curse after watching

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next week's other Marquee movie, jfk

7:50

Uh and it turns out that Kennedy curse is

7:53

also like, well, a lot of them

7:55

died in drunk driving accidents. Well,

7:57

that's sort of cursed. I think it's curse.

8:00

It's curse, but it's also like it's like a history

8:02

of alcoholism in the family. It's like

8:04

it's got an explanation. Besides, it's

8:07

supernatural. I don't think it's supernatural.

8:09

I just think it's a It's just like it's just like karma.

8:12

A lot of them also have died in

8:14

small planes, which seems also like just a rich

8:17

person thing. It's like, yeah, well that's a

8:19

curse for being rich, so you can die

8:21

in a small plane that you own. Like,

8:25

um, should we take a night email? Yeah,

8:27

did you want to talk about Demi Moore? Though? Oh yeah,

8:30

I forgot how much I wanted to talk about to Amy

8:32

Moore. I didn't want to blow up your spy here. Because

8:36

I finally finished Easy Writer's Raging Bulls.

8:38

Congratulations, thank you. It has

8:40

a really depressing ending called

8:42

the Eighties, um

8:44

where everything sucks. But

8:47

I started reading Demi Moore's autobiography,

8:49

which is a great eighties Hollywood

8:51

book and also just a really good memoir. Um.

8:55

Nobody believes me in this room.

8:57

But what's it called. It's called inside Out.

9:01

It's very short. It is supposedly ghost

9:03

written by Ariel Levi, and it feels

9:05

like it is because it's all like very tense, like

9:07

emotional punches in the gut the whole time.

9:10

Um. But also it makes you really like Demi

9:13

Moore or feel sympathy for her for a

9:15

lot of reasons. But did you ever

9:17

lack sympathy for her? I never thought

9:19

about her. I've read a lot of actress's

9:22

memoirs, and they make me think about actresses

9:24

as people in a way that is like sometimes

9:26

illuminating and sometimes disillusion ing.

9:30

He's just never I've never been that drawn to the actress

9:32

memoir in general. I had to read

9:34

a lot for work, I think, is why I read

9:36

them. But they tend to have good gossip

9:39

in them. But also it's like some people

9:41

are much smarter and more interesting than you would

9:43

ever think, and other people are the opposite.

9:46

And Demi Moore is much smarter and more interesting

9:48

than you would think. Also, the story of her

9:50

and Bruce Willis falling in love is legit very

9:52

romantic. She

9:55

she and Emilio Esteves are engaged and

9:57

then he breaks it off because he

10:00

Um. But she goes to like Emilio Esteveza's

10:03

Premier for steak out, and I think that's where Bruce

10:05

Willis picks her up. UM

10:07

on a date with her boyfriend UM,

10:09

and he picks her up by doing flare bartending. God

10:12

yes, and she's like, I know it doesn't

10:14

sound cool, but you have to believe me in this

10:17

was the coolest thing. I think flare bartending

10:20

is extremely cool. It is cool and

10:22

shouldn't see it. She was a bartender

10:24

before he did Moonlighting and then

10:27

he like, he's just kind of a bartender

10:29

and they were both like poor kids who then became really

10:32

really wealthy, and she was like and then it solved nothing

10:34

about all the trauma. But

10:36

on their first date he drops her off and

10:38

then she's like driving home being like, what a great

10:41

date? Who is that guy? I wonder if I'll see

10:43

him again? And then his limo pulls up alongside

10:45

her with his crew on the pch

10:49

with his gang of partiers including Woody

10:51

Harrelson and John Goodman. What

10:54

and they're all like, get your girl, Bruno

10:56

because everybody calls Bruce Um,

11:00

that's great. I

11:03

wish it ended there, and then I read it.

11:05

They were just like two pages

11:08

about that. They get married in vegas

11:10

Um and then Paramount offers

11:13

to pay for a wedding because it's such a publicity

11:15

stunt. So then they get married on a Paramount sound

11:17

stage by Little Richard, and

11:20

that's where it takes a turn for the depressing.

11:23

Maybe getting married

11:25

on a sound stage is rough. It sounds

11:27

depressing, but you have to understand she came from such

11:29

poverty that that was like something she thought

11:31

was like really glamorous

11:33

in some way. Or she was like, it's going to help

11:36

my career, and like, I'm an

11:38

actress. It's fine, you're paying for it. But

11:40

they got married in vegas Um.

11:44

I can't deny that. Well, then it turns out he

11:46

doesn't really want her to work that much, and she's

11:48

like, oh, we should have talked about stuff more before

11:51

we got married. A while. I

11:53

haven't gotten up to the planet Hollywood years yet,

11:55

but uh so, anyway,

11:58

Denny Moore's Inside Out recommend did by

12:00

one third of the podcast I

12:03

Will Convert You I read. I think

12:05

the last celebrity memoir

12:07

I read was Cameron Diaz.

12:09

Is maybe that was a while ago.

12:11

I signed for Grantland and then it

12:14

was like unassigned because I

12:16

was at first i opened it, it's

12:19

this happens frequently with me, where I'm like, I'll

12:21

love this based on the first page.

12:23

And the first page was like when you wake

12:25

up in the morning, you should drink it was some obscene

12:27

amount of water. It was like water.

12:30

And I did it for like two days and

12:33

I was like, this is brilliant, this is great.

12:35

I feel great. And then it's like on day three, You're

12:37

like, it's just so much book. Yeah,

12:39

her health book is crazy. I

12:42

thought it was a memoir that had started with

12:44

about drinking water in

12:46

it was a memoir. Cameron.

12:51

Yeah, Cameron Dial has also kind of underrated

12:53

as an actress. Oh, she's fantastic, but she's

12:55

been enigma. She will she doesn't

12:57

let you into Some people are just avatars.

13:00

They're like, you know, they're not a big personality.

13:02

Off, she's an aquatar. Some people know

13:04

their strength is not being a person.

13:06

Yeah, they're the real world. I

13:09

was going to say a vestibule. If that's not a

13:12

human vestibule to

13:15

be walked through. Oh

13:17

did you guys see Natasha Leone I'm sorry

13:19

where I know we're like going proxen to social

13:22

media. But did you see that she posted

13:24

a diagram of why ghosts

13:26

go through walls? No, but I used

13:28

Natasha Leone like ten minutes ago in my

13:30

example of a person who wouldn't be crushed

13:32

by Hollywood because they had the self esteem

13:35

to withstand it. Is it the self esteem?

13:37

I think I don't know what Hollywood.

13:40

For a while, I think she was. I think she's

13:43

on the contrast, were all, yeah,

13:45

but I think like it's very understandable, like she I

13:47

was just saying, I think a lot of people that are actors,

13:49

how are like have no self esteem? But don't

13:52

you want to know why ghosts can walk through

13:54

Okay, it's because they're walking

13:57

based on the original floor plan of

13:59

whatever a building that was on the

14:01

plot of land that they are haunting, because you, as

14:03

we know, they're wedded to the plot.

14:05

So whatever house was originally

14:08

there when the ghost was alive, they're

14:10

like, oh, here's the stairs and here's the

14:12

doorway, even though maybe there's

14:14

no stairs no doorway anymore. So

14:16

they're just they have to like go the way

14:19

that they're used to go. Architects have so

14:21

much power right over over the beyond.

14:23

I had no idea. Yeah, it's like alchemy.

14:26

I thought it was because they're vaporous and they can pass

14:28

through walls. But why would they

14:31

because they are used to They're

14:33

just retreading. That's all they feel

14:35

like doing is just retreading. I don't blame them,

14:37

like it's it's what's comfortable, or

14:40

like they're like getting so mad. They're like I'm going to

14:42

jump through this hole. That could be

14:44

I mean, they're just they could be. It could be an expressive

14:46

thing. But I was like, I was totally

14:49

felt that that was a good scientific explanations.

14:52

They drink fifteen cups of water. Honestly,

14:55

can you imagine right when you wake up? But

14:57

I don't know liquid and I don't know if anybody

15:00

actually no, I do. My husband wakes up

15:02

in the morning and drinks water. To me,

15:04

it's so disgusting in the morning. Our

15:06

friend,

15:10

yeah, I have to drink something with a taste.

15:12

It can't be water. Water in the morning

15:15

is grossed create along without a bottle. That how how

15:17

much water you're supposed to drink every day, and it's

15:19

so much. You can drink too much water

15:22

poisoning I'm drinking water right now, but

15:24

honestly, like I'm not enjoying it at all,

15:27

especially because I'm sick. It's just terrible. Speaking

15:29

of ghosts, Yeah, we got a haunted

15:31

email about a haunted place we talked

15:33

about last week, Winnipeg.

15:36

Yes, we got an email from Ryle

15:38

in Winnipeg, Manitoba.

15:41

Um and Ryle

15:43

writes to us, since you name dropped Winni

15:45

bag in your episode with Chris, I

15:48

thought it would be good to talk about a couple of surreal aspects

15:51

about the city. Are you guys ready to learn about Winnipeg?

15:53

Yeah? Of course that was me, That wasn't

15:56

Ryle. Okay. So

15:58

first, there's the Hamilton's House. The

16:00

Hamilton's House belonged to a Dr Hamilton's

16:02

that, like many people in the early twentieth century,

16:04

was into the spiritualist movement. The house

16:06

became a place where medium psychics and the like which

16:08

showcase their abilities. So Arthur

16:11

Conan Doyle made a visit and they even took photos

16:13

of the seances and psychic sessions, including

16:15

in demonstration of a table being moved by telekinesis.

16:17

Supposedly, the house still stands

16:20

today and surprisingly no mention of any

16:22

hauntings. A Lincoln article about it. If

16:24

you ever want to read more details or just to look at the photos

16:26

and you can judge them yourself. I'd like to believe

16:28

some of them are real, but I'm kind of a skeptic at

16:30

heart. And then uh

16:33

second second fun Winnipeg fact.

16:36

IF Day in two

16:38

there was a simulation of a Nazi invasion

16:40

during wartime, appropriately called

16:42

IF Day, where volunteer

16:45

actors dressed in Nazi uniform staged

16:48

an invasion that was reminiscent of the invasions

16:50

in Europe, along with the sounds of gunfire,

16:53

news articles and radio broadcasts, and

16:55

the day culminated in what was essentially

16:57

was a fundraiser for victory bonds. This

16:59

is It was referenced in the movie My Winnipeg,

17:01

which is directed by Guy Madden, who is like the David

17:04

Lynch of Canada or just or just Manitoba

17:06

if he liked silent films in expressionism.

17:09

Oh guy Madden being from Manitoba.

17:12

Oh yeah, no, He's like, yeah,

17:14

everything shout out to Guy Madden, shout

17:17

out IF Day. That's insane, that's

17:20

crazy. But it sounds it just

17:22

sounds like a different version of a

17:24

lot of active shooter drills now. Yeah,

17:27

And I saw something like in my neighborhood

17:29

today that was like emergency event

17:31

drilled. Yeah, there's an emergency

17:33

preparedness drill this weekend. Also, a bunch

17:35

of blue angels flying over Hollywood right

17:37

now is always a little um.

17:41

Yeah, no, the whole thing. It's like

17:43

one thing to prepare people for

17:45

a bad situation, like say a Nazi

17:47

invasion. I would say that America

17:50

would be in a better place right now if we'd been

17:52

prepared for a Nazi invasion sometime

17:54

in the last several years. But

17:57

it's not just that, like the practicalities of

17:59

it, but it's like the relashing and the causeplay

18:01

of it, which is so creepy to me. That's what's

18:03

creepy about Civil War re enact Yeah.

18:07

Um, but like I don't know, have you guys ever been

18:09

not to get too dark here early in the show,

18:11

but have you guys ever been in like an active shooter

18:13

drill in the last several years? My

18:16

children have. Yeah, I was

18:18

really I heard about this on air talk with Larry

18:20

Mantle. Shout out Larry Mantle. I forgot that Larry

18:22

Mantle is like one of my radio

18:24

here heroes here on eight nine

18:26

point three KPCC. But

18:28

um he there was a there

18:31

was a whole segment about like how

18:33

much are these just traumatizing kids

18:35

for no really scary

18:37

ad about it? Oh the every

18:40

town at the one that's like back to school

18:42

season? That wasn't every every town is phenomenal.

18:44

I I love every town? Um

18:47

And I thought that, yeah, that but it made me cry.

18:49

Yeah yeah, yeah. It just comes up when you're watching

18:51

a TV show and you're like, uh yeah.

18:54

I mean I think a lot of the schools out here try

18:56

to handle them as sensitively

18:58

as they can, considering that they really have to introduce

19:01

a horrible concept to like five year olds.

19:03

Um, but I it's

19:06

hard because like you're getting a lot of the

19:08

information from your kid about

19:10

like what's happening, and then you have to figure

19:12

out what do you tell atomic

19:15

bomb drill? Yeah, yeah,

19:17

that's what they were talking about. They're like, well, you know, kids

19:19

in the fifties had a similar thing that was like, but

19:21

it's like so much more existential. I think

19:24

like the idea of a bomb versus

19:27

the active shooter also consistential

19:29

in different ways. It also it makes possible.

19:31

The fact that the person who's shooting is

19:33

someone who attends your school. I

19:35

think that's the really frightening thing is so

19:38

yeah, it's it's really awful. But there I

19:40

mean, I've been in a couple now really

19:42

at different offices that I've worked at, and

19:45

there are some where you

19:47

get the sense that the person whose job it is

19:49

to do the active shooter training

19:51

like really gets off on their job, like

19:54

they love imagining being in a

19:56

scenario. Well, a lot of proper

19:58

type people. They're all like former

20:00

cops. And there

20:02

was one where you watched this video. I can't remember

20:05

where this was, and it's probably for the best that

20:07

I don't say what workplace it was that, but

20:09

um, there was a video that was like it

20:12

was like showing the scenario, like it was like an

20:14

office building and then everybody starts running around

20:16

and and they're playing like

20:18

this like like Mission

20:21

Impossible type music over it,

20:23

and like and they're like, this isn't a

20:25

scene from an actual Hollywood action

20:27

movie. This could happen in your work.

20:29

Maybe I did see a video yeah,

20:32

and it's like not horrible. Um

20:36

yeah, it's it's it's it's even like to

20:39

even make that connection in that context

20:41

to be like, you know, like movie

20:43

stuff like getting shot. This

20:45

is different. It's just like it's just such a weird Did you guys

20:48

see the simulator where you have to fire the old

20:50

man? An? He cries? Know what's that?

20:52

It's like a simulator for people that have to go

20:54

around doing layoffs. And it's like, tell

20:56

this old man he doesn't have a job anymore. And

20:58

then he's like, no, my thing.

21:02

Wait did you have to do this? No? No, my friend

21:04

just told me about it, because it was like, oh

21:07

my god. In the news,

21:09

Um, every

21:11

day is IF day here

21:13

in America. In Canada they

21:15

have a specific day for IF day.

21:19

That's nice. They allowed for

21:21

chaos. Oh man. I actually saw the scariest

21:23

tweet. I think it was Gabe delah

21:25

Hay who tweeted like Donald Trump

21:27

should just sign the purge into action right

21:30

now. Please don't

21:32

even it's

21:34

so scary because sometimes

21:36

something like that gets said and I'm like,

21:38

put it back in your brain, let it out

21:40

in the world. I don't know how I felt about

21:42

that one, because he was like and he should be like, and like,

21:45

it absolves me of all my crimes because they were all

21:47

done on Purge days. Oh

21:51

my god. Okay, speaking

21:54

of the nightmare hell World. We'll

21:56

be back after an ad with more

21:58

talk about I switching. Welcome

22:12

back. We are going

22:14

to talk today about the Stanley

22:17

Kubrick film, the last Stanley Kubrick

22:19

film, Eyes Wide chut Um,

22:23

on the occasion of I

22:25

guess the entire year nineteen

22:28

but particularly uh the Jeoffrey

22:31

Epstein case and

22:34

um attendant horrors of nineties

22:37

underground millionaire

22:39

sex cults, billionaire sex cults. Maybe,

22:42

um, we all watched Eyes Wide Shut

22:45

recently we rewatched it,

22:47

and um, I hadn't seen it. Maybe in a couple

22:49

of years. I think I do this one kind of

22:51

like maybe every two years. I would say, it

22:54

stays pretty fresh. And I watched it like once

22:56

a month. Really, Yeah, we

22:58

went on to go to sleep. How

23:01

is that? Like, I mean, you don't have to answer

23:03

this, but like, what does that do for your relationship?

23:07

Nothing bad if you're confident

23:09

in it. Not like we

23:12

we were talking for a minute about starting an

23:14

eyewide Shot podcast and then we were like that would

23:16

break us up. Like if we started a whole eyeswde

23:19

could do the like the Shining one where it's

23:21

like one minute because you're thinking about it for like a second

23:23

that we're like, we would kill each other, yeah

23:25

and hate the movie after a while. So,

23:29

um, well, the most recent

23:32

eyes Wide Shut like topical thing that I

23:34

remember coming through my

23:36

feed was the tweet I think that you you forwarded

23:38

to me, Actually, Molly, that was basically somebody

23:40

saying, um, Stanley

23:43

Kuber died right before

23:45

the release of Eye Eyes Wide Shot for the same

23:47

reason that bungled

23:49

the release of Under the Silver Way. Yeah,

23:54

which is pretty amazing once

23:57

you get what we will call Epstein

23:59

brain. Uh, it just

24:01

sort of does, like in fact, the way you think about

24:03

everything. And then you know, when

24:06

I watched next week's feature JFK

24:09

and I realized that was just Boomer Epstein

24:11

brain, which just JFK conspiracy

24:14

brain. You do maybe

24:16

start to see patterns where they don't even necessarily

24:19

exist, uh,

24:21

but also some patterns you wish you could

24:23

unsee. So the

24:26

the actual reported like

24:28

factual connection between Eyes Wide

24:30

Shut and Jeffrey Epstein is

24:33

that Larry Salona, who

24:35

has broken a lot of the stories

24:38

on Jeffrey Epstein for The Post.

24:41

He's like a long long time post report

24:43

or new York Post report. That's how

24:45

he got the job on I Swide Shut is because he

24:47

was like, uh, like a total

24:50

like WEGI crime scene reporter

24:52

who reports on like people killing

24:55

their mistresses and dumping the bodies

24:57

and the kind of stuff that happens in the movie Eyes

24:59

Wide Shut. And then uh,

25:01

he wrote the story about Jeffrey Epstein committing

25:04

suicide that a lot of people think was

25:07

a plant to cover up whatever

25:09

really happened, Epstein dying

25:11

in a jail cell, which we will never

25:14

know is

25:17

broke um. And then

25:19

a lot of people were like, I watched that's a documentary.

25:22

When you mean by a lot of people, you mean you that

25:26

was I think even I thought

25:28

it was a documentary before all

25:30

this happened. I was kind of like, yeah, it

25:32

would be I plausible

25:36

sort of factory ready

25:39

detail. I was like, oh, yeah, this is all real.

25:41

I think there's something about this movie that I always

25:43

took a total face value. I think, like, there are

25:45

certain things. I think. The interesting thing to

25:47

think about for me is like not

25:50

doubting that this kind of thing ever

25:52

happens regularly, um,

25:54

but that it probably looks a

25:56

lot less cinematic Because Stanley

25:58

Koper doesn't direct it um

26:01

like the whole, like the whole very

26:04

famous scene of Tom Cruise coming in while

26:06

they're doing the ritual and the naked

26:08

ladies and the crazy music and everything.

26:11

It's incredible. It's so like, its

26:13

like it has a physical effect on me. It

26:16

feels like my head's about yeah

26:18

while I'm watching it, but I'm also like, the

26:20

real version of this is so and

26:24

gross and sad, even if it's at a billionaire's

26:26

home. It's like, I just don't

26:28

like thinking that was like the horrible feeling

26:30

I got when I saw those pictures of Jolayne's

26:32

apartment, you know, with the mask on

26:35

the wall, and I was like, this is what it's

26:37

really like, is like a creepy town

26:39

house and a creepy woman who

26:41

makes you feel comfortable and then shuts

26:44

and locks all the doors. But

26:46

there's something about those town houses,

26:48

those rich people town houses, that I've always found

26:51

just so claustrophobic that this

26:53

movie, uh is very

26:55

good at conveying that whole like creepy

26:57

Manhattan feeling fake Manhattan. Yeah.

27:00

That's also the other bizarre

27:02

aspect of this movie is that it

27:05

was shot both on a sound stage

27:07

and just like I think on streets in

27:09

London, uh

27:11

and not in New York, so it's like Tinewoods.

27:15

Yeah. Um. But there is

27:17

some stuff that like like the locations,

27:19

like the the

27:22

like the costume shop and stuff like that.

27:24

That's all I think that's on location

27:26

because it's like all very specifically British

27:29

like everything. There's like to let signs and

27:31

there's like and it's a fancy dress shop.

27:34

Is that because it was based on a

27:36

story that was because Stanley

27:39

Kubrick won't take place, he won't get okay, I

27:41

need Yeah, I knew that too, But I mean like the the like

27:43

little touches of like for let was it just

27:46

to be kind of like a weird nowhere

27:48

place and there's a specifically New York.

27:50

I mean if that's intentional, it's pretty smart

27:52

because it does give you this weird, dreamy

27:55

feeling how you're watching it. It's like

27:57

the shining where you can make yourself

27:59

insane, just like looking at every detail of

28:01

every scene and being like it's telling me

28:03

something. Although I did just see

28:05

there was a bunch of stuff in Midsummer that I totally

28:08

miss, Like what there's a bunch

28:10

of like images of her dead sister

28:12

in the trees. Somebody

28:17

posted a screen cap of like it's

28:19

like when she is like tripping out and

28:21

looking at the trees and stuff, there's like this hidden

28:23

image of her, of her sister with like the hose

28:26

hooked up to her face. It's terrified.

28:29

So re watch me in summer. But

28:32

if you dare, this movie also feels like that

28:34

where you're like, if I keep watching it, I'll figure

28:36

it out. Like Zodiac,

28:39

Um, do you want to do? You want to do a quick little

28:41

recap of it for people who said

28:44

this movie about a doctor and his wife

28:47

played by Tom Cruise Nicole Kidman,

28:49

when they were still there, still married. She

28:53

tells him that he understands nothing about women's

28:55

sexuality, and then he goes on

28:57

a night cruise all

28:59

night, after hours,

29:02

trying to get late. Well, one of the things I learned

29:04

about this movie was that it was originally pitched as

29:06

kind of an after hours It's supposed to be more of

29:08

like a comedy, and it was supposed to be

29:10

made in the eighties, uh, starring

29:12

Steve Martin. Yeah,

29:17

which I love it. I

29:19

love it too, But it's like it is like it

29:21

has the same plot as the movie like Booty Call,

29:23

which is like you're trying to get late all night and you

29:25

can't because things keep getting in your way,

29:28

and that's what makes it like an anxiety dream

29:30

where it's like you're trying to achieve this

29:32

task but like you can't, or like

29:34

Harold and Kumar. Yeah,

29:38

all the best movies take place over one

29:40

night, but there is something about this movie.

29:42

I think that like none of the time makes

29:44

sense in it, which again adds to the weirdness

29:46

of the got a weird reception when it came

29:48

out, but I also counted as like a movie like

29:50

show Girls, where it's like people were mad because

29:53

they thought it was going to be erotic, and then

29:55

it's like, no, it's a movie about sex as

29:57

a commodity, and how an eroticized

29:59

like that can be. Uh,

30:02

it's not like it's like it is

30:04

cold and sort of not

30:07

warm. Yeah. Well, to use

30:09

really smart words, Well, I

30:11

mean, I'm like, I guess this is

30:13

one of my more basic film opinions. But I

30:15

like, I truly love Stanley Kubrick, like

30:17

I I genuinely like he's one of my favorite

30:19

directors of all time.

30:22

Weird, I know, um,

30:24

but I think, like, what is

30:27

amazing about this film is that I think you could you

30:29

could categorize it as an erotic thriller,

30:32

one of our favorite genres, totally

30:34

a night call. But it does feel it

30:37

kind of feels like if a woman directed

30:39

an erotic thriller, because it is

30:41

so psychological and

30:43

it's so if I write directed an neurotic

30:46

killer, just be like dicks the whole time. Well

30:50

now I'm not talking about like what's on its mind

30:53

and and the way it depicts

30:55

the relationship between um

30:58

Nicole and Tom and just the whole

31:00

like even before it gets into the crazy stuff, just

31:02

the party seem it

31:05

just it feels so intelligently,

31:09

uh just executed like

31:11

it's just so I think it's just so tuned into

31:13

both of them in a way that's like

31:15

her acting is also bizarre and it's so

31:18

weird. I love it, but it's like it's

31:20

so but it makes you just hyper aware

31:22

of everything that she's saying and like going

31:25

through and stuff because it's just like what is she

31:28

doing? I have to say

31:30

that I cannot find an emotional

31:33

like foothold in this movie. Really. Yeah,

31:35

well because especially so at

31:37

the party and then the following the argument

31:40

where she gets really high and has

31:42

this kind of like I

31:44

think she's great, but I cannot

31:47

understand, like because she goes

31:49

immediately to such a high emotional

31:52

intensity and she's so

31:54

high that I'm kind of like wanted

31:57

to be funnier or like

31:59

make more sense to me, but I can't.

32:02

It's it's I don't identify at all

32:04

with either of them. I'm like, who am

32:06

I love to latch Onto? So

32:09

uncomfortable. It's a very uncomfortable

32:11

movie, That's what I like. I think it's interesting.

32:13

I just never feel anything for it.

32:15

Well. I feel like people say that a lot about Kuber movies,

32:18

like it's not emotional. Oh, I don't

32:20

feel that way. I mean, I it's

32:22

probably uly either a tricky

32:24

Kubrick for me, but I'm still interested

32:27

in it. I mean honestly, like I

32:30

love them. I love all of them, but

32:32

this one. But it's like, I don't

32:34

what's your actual favorite.

32:37

I don't know. I feel like I want to say, like

32:39

two thousand one, but I also don't want to,

32:42

like,

32:44

like one of the best movies, but it's it's hard

32:46

to talk about Kubrick. You're like, I want to

32:48

say that it's like a favorite

32:51

movie and be like Spartacus. But

32:54

it's like I wanted to love Eyes Whide

32:56

Shut much more than I ever did, but I can still

32:58

appreciate it. But like just f y, I

33:00

was watching Eyes Wide Shut the other night, turned

33:02

it off, turned on Under the Silver Lake

33:05

again. My neighbor was driving

33:08

by and it was late at night, and she

33:10

saw like on her one way

33:12

trip part of Eyes White Shut and then on her way

33:14

home Under the Silver Lake and she was like,

33:17

what are you watching? And I was like, well,

33:19

Eyes Wide Shut and Under the Silver Lake

33:21

and she was just like, okay, you're

33:24

on a journey. That's okay. I

33:26

was like, I'll get curtains. I guess. I

33:29

love when you're watching a movie like That's like I feel

33:31

like that doesn't happen anymore because now people just watch

33:33

on computers. But I remember like watching Russ Meyer's

33:35

movies like on the main TV

33:38

and in college and other people being like,

33:40

what are you watching? What are you doing? Hey?

33:42

What do you do? It? It's a not a soft

33:45

court, yeah, I mean it is sort

33:47

of, but I mean come by

33:49

in five minutes, yeah,

33:52

yeah, I mean I yeah,

33:54

I've never cried. I mean, I guess I get the charge

33:57

of Kubrick being emotionally chill,

34:00

and I think some of his films live up to that

34:02

more than others. But like, I don't know, this

34:04

movie is pretty emotional for me, but it's

34:06

like on a it's like on a it's

34:09

like on a post human level. Yeah, it's

34:11

I also think I can never connect with

34:14

Tom Cruise. Really. I think maybe that's

34:16

that's really the main Magnolia.

34:19

Yeah, I like him in Magna. He's I like

34:21

him in Magnolia, but I feel like, and

34:23

maybe this is because of like Zeno or

34:26

something, but I feel like I cannot see

34:28

past the thing that is armoring

34:31

him, you know, like he wants you to see

34:33

this. I like a lot of like big

34:35

eighties actors, I feel like who I encountered. Later,

34:37

I was totally did not get Tom Cruise. And then when

34:40

I went back and watched Risky Business, I was like,

34:43

well, I mean yeah, when you look at like really young Time and

34:45

honestly, parts of Vanilla Sky like

34:48

much as that movie. We should do a big Question

34:53

Feelings, but

34:56

I hate it, but I can't like go. We

34:58

should have Cameron crow Onto talk about

35:00

Vanilla Scott Cameron

35:02

Crew on the horn here. I feel like we

35:05

can get him on the horn. I just also would like

35:07

to hear what he thinks about it, because I think it's just like sometimes

35:09

you make a movie and it doesn't come out like you thought it

35:11

were, right. Yeah, but that movie's

35:13

got some super interesting stuff and it's interesting.

35:16

It's not different from Eyes Wide Shut and

35:20

and they came out somewhat close to And

35:25

it's just that it came out right after Almost

35:27

Famous, which obviously we all like love

35:29

a lot, you know, so do

35:32

you not love it? It worked

35:34

on me. I don't know if I haven't watched.

35:37

And I thought about it so much when I

35:39

was interviewing Lona Delray the other day, because

35:41

I was like, Okay, here's the Almost Famous

35:43

experience you like want of, Like you

35:46

can't just try to be friends with somebody

35:48

you like are obsessed with the party.

35:50

This is the thing. Is that, like, in terms of movies

35:53

you think about despite not connecting

35:55

with Eyes Wide Shut, I certainly think about

35:57

it, Like there are things where I'm like that Eyes

36:00

Why, like with Vanilla Skuy were still talking

36:02

about Vanilla more than anybody. I

36:04

wish you guys to

36:08

bring it back to Karintinas

36:10

exactly. Look at this part

36:12

where she drives them off a bridge, and she's

36:14

like, it's

36:17

been like a running joke for testing since that

36:19

movie came. Literally all he

36:21

made me see it. It's an eternal line,

36:23

it is. There's so much

36:26

in there that just doesn't make any

36:28

set. It's just it's such a funny because

36:30

it's some jewels and gym and then and they're like,

36:33

it was repeating all the movies in your

36:35

brain. I

36:37

love, I love what that movie did

36:39

to me. It's like I just look,

36:44

I'm just saying it goes for something. Yeah,

36:47

you know, but I will say to bring

36:50

it back to Cruiz, I

36:53

it doesn't quite work for me in this movie. He generally

36:55

doesn't work for me. The times he works for me are

36:57

when I think that people really have a handle

37:00

on how to work with what you're talking

37:02

about, that like outer thing that he wants

37:04

to project, like an exo skeleton.

37:06

Yeah, and he has. It's like it's like playing

37:09

with somebody's intentions and working

37:11

them, like working somebody's intentions

37:13

to be your attentions or something like. I think if you're

37:15

directing Tom Cruise, that's like a weird needle you have

37:17

to thread, just from like that's

37:19

my armchair opinion from having watched

37:21

him in movies, like I love him in Magnolia. I

37:23

think that that's like a smart use of him.

37:26

And I love him in Collateral, Like Collateral

37:28

Tom Cruise, like genuinely

37:31

literal, what's wrong

37:33

with all of us? Were like, you know, it's

37:35

hot Tom Cruise in Collateral

37:37

and Magnolia. I didn't

37:40

say I know it was hot, but he was hot in

37:42

Collateral. I was

37:44

over at my Collateral. I thought he was

37:46

fantastic in Magnolia, like young young

37:48

Tom Cruise, Like sure, young Cruise

37:51

didn't do anything, didn't have that, but oh but

37:53

he didn't have the crust, like he was like just

37:55

a person without this like like

37:57

I'm a celebrity and I'm very good at engage

38:00

with you. It's like you're not You're not about

38:02

mission impossible. I think what we're talking about is

38:04

like there's Tom Cruise the actor and Tom Cruise the movie

38:06

star, and sometimes you get

38:08

the actor, and I do feel like

38:10

you get the actor. I do, but

38:12

this is the thing. I think you get the parts

38:14

where he's been I

38:17

was just like I wanted to have a drinking game.

38:19

For every time he says I'm a doctor in this movie, it's

38:23

like, should we all have be doctors so we can

38:25

get into any like club, costume

38:28

shop. There's a lot of reasons

38:30

we should all be Yeah, like that's that's

38:32

like number seventies seven on the list. But

38:34

but I think all of that stuff he does really

38:36

well, and he's really well suited for. And

38:39

I think it's interesting to pose that

38:41

that persona and that

38:43

that artifice that he does as something

38:46

that can get deconstructed over the course

38:48

of the movie, or like get threatened at least,

38:51

And I just don't think he plays the threatened

38:53

part of it. Like I don't ever buy that his world

38:55

like falls apart in this movie in the way

38:57

that I think it should, in the way that I believe

39:00

like the movie is selling. But I don't like that he's

39:02

selling it. You want

39:04

to see him like fall apart more or

39:06

I just want to see some of that, let go

39:08

of some of the because even

39:11

when he's like beans sad, I just don't.

39:14

I still don't. I still see the shell.

39:16

I don't know. You know who was supposed to play at the Sydney

39:18

Pollock part in the eighties version, would

39:20

you allen? Oh

39:22

my god, somebody

39:25

told me that apparently there were even more Jeffrey

39:27

Epstein jokes cut out of thirty Rock uh,

39:30

and that they were just like in it all the time, um,

39:34

and that everybody in New York knew about it. So I do

39:36

think there are things like this where everybody knows

39:38

about it. It's like an open secret among

39:41

a certain group of people, and you get away with it

39:43

because it sounds so fucking insane.

39:45

Sure, it's also like if

39:47

it's just a sex party, it's also

39:50

like, sure, what else is new in

39:52

New York is less fucked

39:54

up than the Epstein scandal? That's the thing. Like

39:57

they're not they're I

40:00

mean it's still fucked up obviously. Well

40:02

they kill people, but they kill sex

40:04

workers. But before they're not trafficking

40:07

children, right Yeah. And it

40:10

like when there's a threat, Like it was really interesting

40:13

to watch this time around because it's just like when the threat start

40:15

coming his way and when they know his name and they tell

40:17

him to back off, it's just like or

40:19

what, like what it's just a nightmare. It's a nightmare.

40:22

It's like trying to figure out It's like Russian

40:24

dollar you're like trying to figure out what you have

40:26

to do and it doesn't matter because

40:28

it's a dream. And like when he goes

40:30

to the sex party, it's like all of the women

40:33

look the same and they all look just like Nicole

40:35

Kidman, like in terms of the body type. You

40:37

know, It's like it just feels like a

40:39

weird, paranoid sex dream about being

40:42

in a long marriage and being like, I'm attracted

40:44

to other people, but the idea that my wife is attracted

40:46

to other people like fox my whole life

40:49

up or at least your night

40:51

or at least maybe the pot is just making you

40:53

paranoid. Yeah, I love that part.

40:57

But I also just remember seeing the trailer

40:59

for this movie. The trailer was horny.

41:02

Well I thought it was going to be so different

41:04

based on the trailer because that Chris Isaac

41:06

song is like the sexiest thing in the world. So

41:09

it's like it can't live up to that song when

41:11

it's like, no, no, are

41:15

you just a

41:18

del rey and she needs Also

41:20

Chris Isaac is just like his music

41:23

is very I am not turned on by

41:25

the music of Chris. What you were just going to say,

41:27

Like, I'll admit that that song is like a horny

41:29

song on its face. How do you feel about

41:32

rockabilly in general? I'm okay with rockabilly.

41:35

What do you think is the sexiest music like ever

41:37

in the world? Yeah, I feel like it's she

41:40

personal. When

41:42

we hit our three thousands, will

41:45

say what the sexiest music in the world

41:47

is, somber

41:50

mix will be the mix of the

41:52

sexiest music in the world

41:54

sexce novembermember,

42:04

Oh my god, I'm okay. They're

42:07

just to scare people and be like what if I listening

42:10

to and then we'll go back to the sexy stuff. Okay,

42:12

So this is a good question though. Okay, so do

42:14

you think that the music is diegetic in

42:17

the sex ritual scene, because

42:21

so there's the stuff that he's playing, like Nick

42:23

Nightingale is like a Yama

42:26

like but

42:28

that's like that's like the opening of it.

42:30

But then I feel like I feel like

42:32

some of what we're hearing is not diegetic.

42:35

But like it's interesting to think about it all being like

42:37

him to have all those patches and his keyboards

42:39

and thing about the Jeffrey Epstein Temple

42:41

where that article came out there for the

42:43

interviewed a lot of people to figure out like what was the temple

42:46

for on the Highland, and it turned out it was a

42:48

piano room because they found

42:50

somebody would tune the piano in the room.

42:52

They found like more than one person who said, I've

42:54

been in the room, it's like a performance

42:57

space or whatever. Doesn't mean

42:59

it's not also a sex dungeon. But

43:01

I guess this also just seems like

43:03

very old world New York to me. The idea

43:05

that like to get people to have a party you

43:07

have to gather around a piano in

43:09

like a very expensive room. Wasn't

43:11

that just like an eighties and nineties

43:14

thing. No, I think it's I feel

43:16

like if you have a piano, you're going to make people

43:18

do that. Well, it's like it's like a like

43:21

pre recorded music thing, like

43:23

after dinner, like my daughter,

43:26

my oldest daughter is going for you,

43:28

and so you'll agree to marry her or whatever.

43:30

Thinking of like fifties nightclubs like

43:32

that was the big thing in the Dino book,

43:35

was like people were like, oh, you know, records

43:37

are going to put the nighttime

43:39

entertainment. Even

43:41

in high school, I feel like I went to some

43:44

like fancy friends parties where

43:46

someone would play the piano and then everyone would

43:48

kind of have to go and always

43:51

theater party. You know,

43:54

somebody else I know just got invited to an

43:57

adult woman's birthday party that was like recreating

43:59

her childhood parties where everybody would gather

44:01

around a piano and first the feeling of dread

44:04

that happens in me when someone's

44:07

like, now we're all going like we

44:09

are all going to Oh

44:11

I hate that, and someone's going to play

44:13

for us. I hate just want to be like, but

44:16

what if I don't want to cry yes to this

44:18

horrible arrangement. The

44:20

most about the EWE shut universe is

44:22

like the idea of having to do an activity at

44:24

a party, yes, well, the idea that we're

44:26

all on the same page here. It's

44:29

like when people are like, okay, we're

44:31

all really fucked up, time to play Mafia.

44:33

It's like, no, the parties.

44:35

You say this, but you just hate games. Yes,

44:40

but it doesn't feel like a game and ice

44:42

wedgeshut. It feels like now I'm going to walk

44:44

slowly arm in arm with somebody and

44:46

wear a mask and it's not going to feel like like

44:49

none of the sexy stuff feels sexy at

44:51

all because it feels so ritualized it feels like

44:53

such a like act that's being put on that I

44:55

feel like it doesn't have any

44:57

it's like just it's just the utilitary

45:00

at that point, it's like, yeah,

45:03

it's like for the purpose of a ritual. It's

45:05

like people are getting off on the ritual more than

45:08

on the sex, which is very

45:10

real. I guess. It's also like there's

45:13

a lot of logistics involved in that many

45:15

people having sex to

45:17

choreograph. Also, it's like when you're

45:19

I was like looking at a lot of the background

45:21

players and a lot of like c g I placed

45:24

in people in front of people who are boning.

45:27

But like like if you're just there and you're

45:29

not having sex and you're just watching somebody having

45:31

sex, and you're there like with another sex

45:33

worker, and you're just supposed to like stand

45:36

against each other just so like there's

45:39

the best episode of Party Down about that they

45:42

have the party and they're

45:44

like talking about how much it sucks to cater the party, and the

45:46

woman who has to stand there with a mask with their tips

45:48

out is like you think your jobs. But

45:52

I feel that way about a lot of like people

45:55

who have to entertain naked. It's like it becomes

45:57

very second nature to you

46:00

too in a minute. But that doesn't mean that like other people

46:02

aren't going to be like that's

46:04

what it was like at Avien. It's like everyone's

46:06

just naked. It doesn't seem sexual

46:08

to them. It's just sexual to the guys that are coming in

46:10

and being like damn, like no

46:13

bras, it's below me.

46:26

Um. I want to talk real quick

46:29

because I think one of the things I've

46:31

always liked about this movie or that was interesting

46:33

about in this movie, besides

46:36

the sex stuff, is like how it's about

46:39

um like being and

46:41

I'm stealing this from this point from my husband

46:43

who watched it with me this last time, but like being being

46:46

a one percenter versus being a point

46:48

oh one percenter. Like I

46:50

feel like that's also like maybe

46:52

even more than the um

46:54

like who has the biggest sex party UM

46:57

thing, Like that's the that's like the status

46:59

thing that's running through it all, like about

47:01

like class anxiety. Yeah, I mean, like there's the

47:03

part that I remember like picking up

47:06

on maybe one of one of the first times I watched is

47:08

like when when Nicole Kim is like helping

47:10

the kid um do the homework

47:12

and is like explaining a word problem It's like

47:14

Joe has two dollars and fifty cents

47:17

and Ted has one dollar and seventy

47:19

five cents, Like how much more money does Joe like?

47:22

And that's what she's doing while like he's

47:25

staring at her and just like having a meltdown.

47:27

It's just like, can you think about somebody like Stanley

47:30

Kubrick who's like not a rich kid

47:32

from New York and you like ascend up

47:34

into that part of New York and has always

47:36

been like that's where I gotta get and then you get

47:38

there and it's a nightmare. Yeah.

47:41

Yeah, And it's like you can get you can get to a certain

47:43

point like be a Ted or be a

47:45

Tom Cruise where you're

47:47

a doctor and you've got killer.

47:53

You can get to a certain point where you can be the Zodiac

47:56

killer. Uh no, but where you

47:58

you know, like you're a doctor and you have rich

48:00

clients and you get invited to fancy party, but you're

48:02

not like at the upper echel and you're not the person

48:04

throwing the party um or

48:06

you're like a Nick nick Niel or you're just like

48:08

you're invited into that space, but you're there

48:11

as an employee um and you have

48:13

to wear a blindfold for it, and I

48:15

think like that those sorts of that

48:17

sort of stratification of class

48:19

and like who who

48:22

ultimately gets to actually go to the sex party

48:24

and how many people are there just being you

48:26

know, human props is

48:29

um. I don't know, it's like an interest. It's a very

48:31

dreamlike illustration of I think

48:33

like America. Orange

48:36

also has the human furniture. Yeah,

48:39

I love Clockwork Orange. Also talk about

48:41

Second Twisted Man

48:43

Clockwork Orange I saw and like, really

48:46

that was like one of the first times I got too high.

48:50

Just gonna you still have like flashbacks

48:53

to that. That was just awful. I

48:55

mean, I love Clockwork Orange, but like I'm

48:57

never really like I

49:00

and I'll sit down and watch Clockwork. It's

49:02

like no, just like with The Joker. I mean, even if

49:04

like there's a part of me I'm not gonna lie

49:06

that does want to see The Joker,

49:09

it's just a big part of

49:11

me that I'm like, I just don't. I

49:13

don't know what it would do to write it's

49:16

psycholo. It's

49:18

hilarious that all these guys have probably

49:20

like never just watch Clockwork Orange. Also

49:22

who are defending it as this like piece of

49:24

resistance of Edge Lord Cinema. It's like it's

49:27

like there have been so many edgy

49:29

like things that would not even like, would not

49:31

even get on screen now like thing,

49:34

and that's like what to bring it all

49:36

back to easy writers surging balls yet again,

49:38

That's like the big takeaway is like there's this moment

49:40

for five seconds when people are like, we're going to get

49:42

to make art movies in America the way

49:45

they do in Europe because blow

49:47

Up is like a big crossover hit, and

49:49

then Jack Nicholson like immediately really

49:51

early on, is like, oh, people didn't

49:53

like blow Up because it had like crazy

49:55

time stuff and jump cuts. It was

49:57

because they showed a beaver shot and nobody

50:00

in America had ever done that before.

50:02

And that's what Hollywood took away from it was

50:04

like, Okay, sex scenes and blood

50:07

is like what we can do now, and

50:09

there are people who made that interesting and

50:11

I like a lot of like grungy

50:14

grindhouse stuff, but doing it

50:16

just like for its own sake can be really boring,

50:18

especially because it's been done so much already, like

50:21

torture porn movies. Yeah, if you

50:23

don't have anything to say with it, then

50:25

it's like not it's not fun

50:27

like to bring it back to the purge. Also, like you

50:29

know, that's like one instance of something

50:31

where it's like I can get through how bad it is if

50:33

there's a point of view in there and if it has something interesting

50:36

to say, Like, but there's so much

50:38

stuff where it's just like repeating all

50:40

the the external signifiers

50:43

of darkness or something that.

50:46

I mean like Texas Change saw Massacre is a

50:48

great movie. I'm not that into

50:51

Texas Change. Well, it's scary

50:54

in a mood. Yeah, certain mood. We're

50:57

we pick where the edge ends.

50:59

Yeah, but we all lower it over. It's

51:01

not that I know, it's not I don't find it too

51:03

upset. I just kind of think it's boring. But

51:06

yeah, it's not like it's not

51:08

the most intelligent movie.

51:11

Um yeah, but okay,

51:13

I just watched Shut Any other thoughts

51:17

on see you literally watched

51:19

this? How many times? I just

51:21

need to know so much? Like

51:23

how many times? Like literally throw it on to fall

51:25

asleep, like every night, not

51:27

every night, but like sometimes that just

51:30

blows my mind, Like watch that and Zodiac

51:32

to go to bed sometimes Zodiac I understand

51:34

because yeah, because one of those things, it's like I'm just going to

51:36

dip in for a little bit of Zodiac and they both have that like

51:38

kind of like I'm half awake in a weird dream

51:40

world. And also I don't really have nightmares

51:42

because I smoke too much weed, so I'm not afraid

51:44

of that right specifically. Um,

51:48

yeah, no, I don't know. I only watched it like every couple

51:50

of years. I'm like, I feel like I watched it two years ago and before

51:52

that it might have been longer, but it's

51:56

it's I think it's I

51:58

feel like I want more movies like this on Slate,

52:00

Like I I mean, not necessarily about

52:02

the exact same thing, but I want more movies

52:04

that like feel like this and

52:06

talk about like, um,

52:09

talk about these feelings in

52:11

it in an interesting and like, uh,

52:14

well, I'm excited to talk about the like express of

52:16

the scorese Joker Marvel

52:18

Discourse. Next week, when we've talked

52:20

about that, I really

52:24

doing JFK and Joker next week,

52:27

we're gonna spread it out alright, cool, oh

52:31

God, spooky sp October begins.

52:34

JFK. We're

52:39

getting all about out of our system before sex

52:41

Dam's November. Let's

52:44

do one last night,

52:47

Yes nightcall a night call.

52:50

Um, it's a little long, so

52:52

we might have to edit it down. UM, but

52:54

I will leave you with the night Fierce. Yeah,

52:57

here we go. Hi, ladies

52:59

of Nightfall. I love

53:01

your show and it is five five

53:04

on my evening commune in for Land, Oregon.

53:08

Um. Sorry, I just had to do that, but

53:10

I was for me because I have had

53:13

night terrors. Um.

53:15

I don't have them anymore, but I had them

53:17

for about when I started

53:19

thinking about telling you guys about this, I

53:22

did the math, and it's been sixteen

53:24

years. That's how long I had

53:26

them. So, Um, I would

53:28

actually fall asleep and

53:33

I would suddenly I would come from like a

53:35

deep sleep state to a sort

53:37

of in a weight the

53:40

middle of the road state to

53:42

where I knew I was um

53:45

asleep, but I couldn't move and

53:47

I was scaralized. I could see my It's

53:49

like I could see out of my eyes, but I couldn't move

53:51

my body. Absolutely

53:54

terrifying. And Um.

53:56

The way it would always play out is someone

53:59

would be in the house, a man would

54:01

be in the house, and then I could hear his footsteps

54:04

walking closer and closer to me.

54:07

Sometimes he would even turn around and walk

54:10

back down the hallway just to mess

54:12

with me repeatedly. So I

54:14

had these nightmares for like I say, sixteen

54:17

years, and UM, the only

54:19

way that I was ever able to successfully

54:21

wake myself up from one was

54:24

a I

54:27

would. I found that you

54:29

could take a super deep breath

54:31

and somehow, maybe having

54:34

something to do with being able to steal

54:36

your body, that wouldn't

54:38

be able to wake me up. UM.

54:41

That worked a few times, and then finally

54:43

one day, one lovely day,

54:46

I UM had

54:48

my last night terror when

54:51

UM it was the same spario as always

54:53

is. I'm glad you guys have a long machine.

54:56

UM, And I felt sleep sometimes

54:59

to w would hear this loud something in my ears?

55:02

Anyway, I fell asleep, and UM,

55:05

I started having the dream

55:08

there was a man in the house and I heard him

55:10

watching his footsteps towards the bedroom

55:13

and I was latting there paralyzed and terrified

55:16

and not able to move that he sat down

55:18

on the bed next me, and I

55:20

just had had it. I had my fill and

55:22

I was like, listen here. I don't want

55:24

to say what I said, but

55:27

I said, you get out of here, and get out

55:29

of you know, do whatever it is you're gonna do. Or get

55:31

out of my life because I'm sick

55:33

of putting up your bull chet. And

55:38

then I stunden somehow left

55:40

my body and went outside and play to play

55:42

with the cat because dreams are weird. And

55:44

that was the end. I never had another one

55:47

after that, And um that

55:49

my theory is that, um

55:53

when you do. I

55:55

think it was like my subconscious was trying

55:57

to get me to stay

56:00

my fears, and once I finally did you

56:03

know, then it was over. Hopefully

56:06

it wasn't a dark far

56:09

anyway. I love your show, Poculator.

56:14

That was a great night call. And also I

56:16

can't imagine having a nightmare,

56:18

a recurring nightmare for sixteen years. Yeah,

56:20

I would, like, I don't know, I

56:23

would have to like probably end up spending

56:25

a lot of money trying to figure out how do you care

56:27

about that? That's also, by the way, like that's

56:29

your screenplay because that's really good.

56:31

Yeah, horrifying

56:34

story. Yeah, I

56:36

mean I got like chills just

56:38

like imagining the guy coming down there,

56:41

I know, yeah, and it's a really sitting on

56:43

the bed. I do like this story

56:45

has a happy ending though, because and I think

56:47

that's like, I mean, have you ever been able to like beat

56:49

a nightmare in in within

56:52

the nightmare, or just like clap your hands and

56:54

make it like defeat it, or right

56:57

now I wake up and I'm like, I'm going

56:59

to go back in, and that doesn't really work. Yeah,

57:01

I'm gonna go back in. It's always a fun thing. It

57:04

never works. I mean, it works like very but

57:06

it never works how you want it to work. Even

57:09

if it does work out, you get some weird like

57:11

like gummy shadow of whatever

57:14

the nightmare was. I don't know, um

57:17

yeah, I like, I like, I

57:19

mean, I guess if you have a recurring nightmare,

57:22

you maybe are more likely to be able to

57:24

do the lucid dreaming thing of like recognizing

57:26

what's going on because it's just familiar to you

57:29

at that point. It's also probably

57:31

you're you're spending so much time actually

57:33

thinking about it, like during your waking

57:36

hours, that you can probably I

57:38

mean, maybe that's the trick, is that she just really

57:40

needed to do the work, as they say,

57:43

to trying to figure out how to how to deal

57:46

with whatever the fear was, not only in the

57:48

waking hours, but while she was asleep.

57:51

Also. Sixteen years is like so much

57:53

can happen to you during that time, like you can seriously

57:55

grow as a person and like then find the

57:57

strength to be able to be like listen here,

58:00

ry Man, get off my dream. I

58:03

love the way that she also narrated

58:05

that. Listen here. Um.

58:09

Yeah, this is great. Thank you so much for sharing.

58:11

Um. If you have any nightmare

58:14

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58:16

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58:19

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58:21

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