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will never be able to forget. Um

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stay in suspense until then. We

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wanted to start off with a

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little article from our favorite science

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website, Live Science. No other

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science website, no other science was all

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the all the science is true and real.

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So there was a story on Live Science

1:22

that seemed very attuned to our

1:25

interests. It

1:27

was about our conspiracy beliefs

1:30

on the rise. What would

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you guys have said if I had asked you if conspiracy

1:34

beliefs around the rise? I clearly thought yes, yeah,

1:37

definitely. Well, according

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to Live Science, conspiracy

1:41

beliefs are not on the rise. They are at the

1:43

same levels they have always been, which

1:46

is about ten of

1:48

the population believes

1:50

a bunch of conspiracies to be true. Uh.

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While it may be true that the Internet has allowed people

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who believe in conspiracies to communicate

1:58

more, it has not increased the number of

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Americans who believe in conspiracies. According

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to the data available. UH,

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they say that only nine percent of people believe in

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Pizza Gate of

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people believe there's a deep state working against

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amand Trump. This does not make any sense.

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I know, I don't, but

2:16

anywhere I continue, at least

2:18

fifty percent of Americans believe in one

2:21

conspiracy theory, ranging from the idea

2:23

that the nine eleven attacks were fake to the belief

2:25

that for former President Barack Obama

2:27

was not born in the US. This also

2:29

did freak me out because then when it listed

2:32

a bunch of conspiracies and how many people believe

2:34

in them, one of them is straight up just like oh,

2:36

the Jewish conspiracy and it's like fifteen

2:39

to twenty percent of people. They

2:41

did not include as many

2:43

like progressive conspiracies.

2:47

Well known progressive conspiracy right

2:49

like this claims that eleven percent of people

2:51

strongly agree that Barack Obama was not

2:53

really born in the United States. U

2:56

of people agree, of

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people say neither strongly

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disagree. Okay, that one. That

3:03

one is like one that gets passed around on

3:06

Facebook. It's it's insane and stupid

3:08

that it's like argued at all and then

3:10

thanks to our president, like that it was ever a

3:13

thing. But the

3:15

vapor trails, the chem trails one, there's

3:18

a grand total of nine percent of

3:20

people that were in the study who

3:22

said that they believed in chem trails, which

3:24

is like, that just strikes me as so

3:27

correct. Yeah, there's got to be more

3:31

feel less people. Oh, I think

3:33

more people. Really, Yeah,

3:35

I feel I've had so because

3:38

you know, I have that thing where I like do talk

3:40

to strangers way too much, and I feel like I've

3:42

gotten in so many conversations about

3:44

chem trails. Well, here's here's one

3:46

that I was like, is this a conspiracy or

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is this true? Which is the current financial

3:51

crisis was secretly orchestrated by a small

3:53

group of the walls of Wall Street bankers to

3:55

extend the power of the Federal Reserve and

3:58

further their control of the world economy. Sure,

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I mean that sounds yet that that a conspiracy

4:03

that seems like some journalism they don't

4:06

want us to talk about more than

4:08

that. And one that I'd never heard

4:10

before. I'm excited I know which one this is.

4:13

The US government is mandating

4:15

the switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs

4:17

because such lights make people more obedient

4:19

and easier. When I when

4:22

I saw that, I was like, I'm not

4:24

going to say this as that sounds

4:26

to me somewhat reasonably.

4:28

It was really weird. The like

4:31

effect of those light posts

4:33

is what you notice. No, the put

4:35

you like, they're unpleasant, there's

4:37

something wrong with anything. They make me less

4:39

compliant, they make me irritable,

4:42

irritable. I remember when they changed them all over and

4:44

that Gilson's like, and I came on like New

4:46

Year's Day, which is a terrible idea, and it was so

4:48

bright. I left. I walked. Usually

4:51

they're not they're they're bright.

4:53

They do the warm tinted one right

4:58

doesn't mean anything like all it does like, it doesn't

5:01

change the flicker of the light

5:03

at all, but it's it's still annoying.

5:05

A friend of ours also wanted like the brightest

5:07

light available, and then he got it and was

5:09

like, this was a terrible what crazy person

5:12

wanted the brant gave their identity

5:14

unknown until later. I only

5:16

go ideally. I think

5:18

the idea lotted just like forty five.

5:21

I really like a dim light, the

5:24

really bright lights, but especially the fluorescent

5:26

ones because obviously, I mean, I use them because

5:28

they don't want to be a dick, but I

5:31

don't enjoy the effect. And I

5:33

can feel if you have fast vision, you can see the flickering

5:35

has an effect. I just don't think

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it makes you more compliant. I think it's that makes you more

5:39

irritable. Now you're gonna have to

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go deep on it, because it's an interesting

5:44

question. This says also that the

5:46

review showed absolutely no change in the amount

5:48

of conspiracy theory bleep over time. In fact,

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the percent of letters received this is how they

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were doing the judging about conspiracy

5:55

theories actually declined from the

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late eighteen hundreds to the nineteen sixties,

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Right when you would think it would start to spike with jfk

6:02

assassination theory, it actually went down.

6:05

Letters received by the US government

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or who's receiving the letter

6:10

letters to the editor for the

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New York Times in the Chicago Tribune. I

6:15

don't know that it feels like a weird selection

6:17

pool for this. I you

6:20

would use Twitter, you'd just be like. I

6:22

also feel like, if you truly

6:25

believe that there's a conspiracy going on about

6:27

Kim Trails, and the New York Times is definitely in

6:29

on it, so why would you, well, wait,

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you guys don't believe in Kim trails, do you know? Okay,

6:35

just checking, just checking. I don't know. For

6:37

a minute, I was, I listened and

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was like, I

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was, I like that this suggests the

6:43

idea that conspiracy theories are going

6:45

up in popularity is itself a conspiracy

6:47

theory because they just list all these times, like

6:50

starting in the sixties when papers

6:52

were like more conspiracies than ever

6:54

before, the Golden age of conspiracy.

6:56

People thought that in the nineties that was like

6:59

a big, big thing, like I also thought

7:01

it in the eighties and seven. But wait, but think

7:03

about this. So one of the conspiracies that I

7:05

think is true is that our phones are

7:07

listening to us. I believe that, like, if

7:09

you pulled people, probably upwards

7:11

of eight percent of people would agree.

7:14

But then how can they say,

7:16

like, there's no common quote

7:19

unquote conspiracy theories are really listed

7:21

in this article? They're the more kind

7:23

of like fringe things, which it would

7:25

be reasonable to expect lest people would believe

7:28

because they have access to more information from the Internet.

7:30

But what about when the conspiracy

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involves the Internet and you

7:35

have these companies who are like trying to dispel

7:38

Well, there's two types of conspiracies. There's

7:40

like conspiracies that are actually false

7:43

and are just like the dissemination of

7:45

misinformation, and then there are conspiracies

7:47

that are just like suppressed information.

7:51

What a great segue into

7:54

today's topic. Oliver

7:57

Stone's jfk Emily's

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favor stoner movie

8:02

Something When I was a stoner. I

8:06

love that. That's like you were like, all

8:08

right, let's put on the really fluorescent

8:10

lights now. But the thing

8:12

is I mean because that was my my brief

8:14

tenure as a stoner. Uh,

8:17

which do you like, less less than a year

8:20

of my life? If

8:22

that, um, I don't remember

8:24

it at all. It would

8:26

be very difficult to remember even

8:28

if you were not being a stoner. I

8:30

didn't like so noisy and so

8:33

much going on, Yet it really

8:35

draws you in such the test and I both

8:37

watched all three hours of it like

8:39

in a in a one gulp because we had

8:42

to keep going. Uh. Test

8:44

and I have both never seen this movie before. I don't

8:46

know why I haven't. It's funny because

8:48

like I can because it was a

8:50

college thing for me, I consider dorm room

8:53

cannon, but like it is one of these

8:55

dorm room can just love it. But

8:57

all over Stone is like every all of our stone

9:00

be as in The Natural

9:03

Born Killers. That's the funniest one to be

9:06

to be. But

9:10

it is very psychedelic also in

9:12

its weird way. Um. I definitely

9:15

didn't know anything about this movie. I thought

9:17

it was a biopic of JFK.

9:20

I had. I had no idea what to expect,

9:23

and I don't know. I thought we thought

9:25

it was a biopic that like leads up to him

9:27

dying because I knew about Back into the

9:30

Left from The Simpsons, but

9:33

I didn't know it was just about the conspiracy. I

9:35

found this out from talking to my

9:37

boyfriend's mom mentioned something about the

9:40

New Orleans aspect of the JFK

9:42

assassination conspiracy, and I was like, what

9:44

New Orleans aspect? She's from New Orleans, uh,

9:47

And they were like, haven't you seen JFK?

9:50

Uh? And I had not? So then I did this

9:53

movie is so New Orleans e. It's

9:55

yes, yeah, I mean even

9:57

the things that are yeah,

10:00

it's a very that's the thing. The sweat is

10:02

like a heat. Everything

10:04

that anyone said about overacting you can

10:06

just attribute to, like no, it's like a corrupt

10:08

guy in Nework, like Tommy Lee

10:11

Jones. It was like I couldn't

10:13

hold it together with Tommy Jones.

10:15

And it's hair Tommy Lee Jones,

10:17

Joe pashis here and oh

10:20

my god, eyebrows. It's a very

10:22

funny movie, sometimes intentionally

10:25

sometimes not so intentionally. I

10:27

watched it this morning, which

10:30

was like the strangest decision I'd ever

10:32

made. I just it's kind

10:34

of movie in the morning, though, because at

10:37

night it's like start like at five

10:39

just to get through. Yeah. I almost

10:41

started it last night at ten thirty. And then I was

10:43

like, but I'll just be so like by

10:46

the end of it, UMU

10:50

coffee, Yeah, ready to go. I

10:53

sat down and I was like, let's

10:55

do this. But then the weirdest thing was

10:58

that in the middle of the movie movie, I

11:00

got the mail and I had ordered some

11:02

books, like some used books, and

11:05

so there was an envelope like a plane brown

11:07

envelope and on the back it said book depository,

11:10

and I was like, are you kidding me? Because

11:12

that's like a huge plot point. Um.

11:15

So yeah, JFK brain, as

11:17

we said last week, is the boomer Epstein

11:20

brain. It's so dense it's

11:22

hard. I I feel like I had less. As

11:24

you may know if you listen to last week's

11:26

episode with Chris Cantwell, Um, I

11:28

didn't know anything really, Like I just knew

11:31

the bare facts of the conspiracy

11:33

theories, and you know, the assassination. It was something

11:35

that was like, no, I didn't know anything about that conra

11:37

I never went down that particular road.

11:40

Yeah. So I was kind of the prime

11:42

target for JFK because I just believed it all.

11:44

It was like, of course, everything checks out complete

11:47

by the end. It really you're like, oh, this argument

11:49

is airtight, and then you look into it and it's

11:51

not airtight. But the movie does a good job of

11:53

convincing you the power of cinema. Yes,

11:56

it's just a sick ass movie and

11:58

sissy space that gets fantastic. It's

12:01

a beauty. The interiors of their apartment are

12:03

beautiful. It has like some good emotional

12:05

HAPs but like, really it's just funny

12:07

and it's Oliver's Stone, like it

12:10

may be the most the caucaneous movie

12:12

that he's done, which I would

12:14

not have expected to say, but it's like

12:17

at one point, there's also a speech in the

12:19

courtroom that Jim Garrison

12:21

played by Kevin Costner is giving and

12:24

I swear to god, it's like a fifty minute

12:26

long monologue. Well that's a courtroom

12:28

scene. That's but it's so exaggerated.

12:30

But that courtroom scene I do remember

12:33

sometimes like what I would get to that scene

12:35

and I would be like, okay, like time

12:37

to get some chips. So I need to get some chips. Do I need

12:39

to go to the bathroom? Like that would be like my pista.

12:42

At one point, he just starts doing

12:44

this thing with his hands and he's kind

12:47

of just like rehashing points you already

12:49

know, and he's doing this thing with his hands. My husband

12:51

was like, I think he's been doing that thing with his hands for like fifteen

12:53

minutes. I think he did what

12:55

I read and then he started

12:57

crying. At the end he does crying. That

13:00

was They just were like, Okay, we gotta use this one.

13:02

But he was like he had become so

13:05

he had become intense from

13:07

a conspiracist Kevin Costner,

13:10

Yes or no? You know, I had

13:12

never thought yes before in my

13:14

life. Um, but he was great.

13:16

And what are you asking? Yes or no? Just

13:18

yes or no? Do you agree or disagree?

13:21

I mean I'm trying to think what

13:23

else did I see him in that? I was like, he's good

13:25

in this bullder room. I guess pretty

13:28

good. Um yeah, but there's always something a little

13:30

bland about him to me. But

13:34

he was great in this. I thought, Um,

13:36

you guys like water World. He's apparently supposedly

13:39

a huge stoner, which adds

13:41

to the Emily watching jfk

13:43

All making sense. I did not love

13:45

water World? Are you are you

13:47

shocked? I mean, I haven't watched

13:50

that in a zillion years, but I feel like it would

13:52

be a fun rewatch. Um. I did watch

13:54

it like quite a bit. I feel like after it came

13:56

out, I feel like everybody always had it on VHS

13:59

at like Field of Dreams just

14:01

did a lot of damage with my opinion of

14:04

Field of Dreams. Just tell you can't tell an Iowa

14:06

and you don't dream. I

14:08

just hate movies about men and their father.

14:10

It's always a ghost Dad in the base movie

14:13

is so weird. And it's a very

14:15

strange. I don't think it gets enough credit for dances

14:17

with wolves. I have never seen

14:20

dances with wolves. I feel like it

14:22

would be interesting to watch it.

14:23

I think it's interesting to watch now.

14:26

Yeah, I'm sure. Sure. Well, it's like it's

14:28

like the original Last Samurai, which

14:30

I watched recently for the first time,

14:32

which is like, uh, yeah,

14:35

not that's where Tom Cruise becomes

14:37

a samurai. Yeah. Yeah. The

14:39

best part about j Man we should

14:41

watch the post no thank You. The

14:44

best part about JFK is John Candy. John

14:47

Candy being like calling everyone

14:49

dude and daddy, oh and eating crab

14:52

halfway through Johnny and at the same

14:54

time, we're like Mitch Headburg, like

14:58

his cadence was so and he was so good it it

15:00

playing like like a just a sleazy

15:02

Southern with sunglasses. Apparently

15:06

the sweat was all real because he was very nervous to

15:08

do the scene, so you could tell. But also, I mean,

15:10

like everyone's sweat was Yeah. I

15:12

just thought it was a great New Orleans movie, which is obviously

15:14

the last thing I expected JFK to be about,

15:17

because they because my boyfriend's mom was like explaining

15:19

the conspiracy about like, oh, like they

15:21

set up this guy to make it look like this

15:23

gay guy did it so that he would get killed.

15:26

They made it seem like he was involved.

15:29

Um, but it was just part of like a New Orleans conspiracy

15:31

involving money. But then there's another

15:34

there is like a New Orleans aspect that like a New

15:36

Orleans mafio. So guy is supposedly

15:39

one of the guys who may have ordered the hit on

15:42

JFK. I mean, I think what

15:44

makes it great, like Zodiac, is like you come

15:46

away being like I have no idea

15:49

and I'm never going to be able to stop thinking about

15:51

it. Well, I think that's a nice thing about like these

15:54

you know, open open case.

15:56

You know, at least in the public imagination

15:59

story, is that like you're not watching

16:02

it to get a resolution, so you have to find

16:04

something else interesting to get at. Yeah. Yeah,

16:06

And it's about just like being an obsessive person

16:09

we can all relate to. Um.

16:12

Yeah, I I just think it's rules.

16:14

It was great. It's definitely the kind of thing

16:16

that I don't think I would have enjoyed

16:19

prior to this time. It's very relevant

16:22

to watch it in a class I might have like skipped

16:24

it on by, but just watching it for fun.

16:26

It was really fun. They definitely were not teaching

16:28

this in any classes. Was in film school,

16:30

and it does just sort of

16:33

like, you know, yeah, it does make you be like, oh, yes,

16:35

slank of the government have invested

16:37

interest in keeping people in the dark about

16:39

a lot of things, for sure. Uh

16:43

yeah, I regret that

16:45

I didn't watch it so I can talk about with you

16:47

guys. So foggy for me, like

16:49

I but I remember, really, I mean, I watched

16:51

it because I liked it. It's really a weird compulsive

16:54

thing. It was like I loved the feeling

16:56

of watching JFK. Yeah.

16:58

Well, also there are so many great scenes of

17:00

people in darkened like beautiful

17:03

studies with the rain pouring

17:05

down and we're in the middle of a fire

17:07

right now. So it was so nice like at

17:09

night to be like, oh, imagine a subtropical

17:12

climate. It's like a murder mystery,

17:15

I think, you know. I went then I

17:17

opened a million times about the JFK assassination

17:19

and all the conspiracies around it. And it seems like

17:22

and I learned also about May Babbage

17:24

I think is her name. I should look over on it, this

17:27

woman who was the had a conspiracy

17:29

radio show in l A in the thirties,

17:32

you uh, which

17:35

I guess had a lot of Kennedy conspiracy stuff.

17:37

It was one of the places where those people went to talk.

17:39

And just when they show how they make the guy

17:42

seem crazy, right,

17:44

how, they're like, well, let him go on Carson and

17:46

then we'll make him look like a nut and that's

17:48

how we'll diffuse this situation. But

17:51

it seems like a lot of the conspiracy had to do with the fact

17:53

that the Suppruter film was so hard

17:55

to see you for so long, right, And

17:57

I guess like by the time it's in JFK,

18:00

it was like it had just been released so that

18:02

you could just view it, But it used to be like very

18:04

hard to see because they didn't want

18:06

people to see the president. The whole

18:09

weird part of the JFK

18:11

thing is just like the government's refusal

18:14

to release documents and you're like, but

18:16

why, And I mean, I think that's like the huge

18:18

theme of the film is you know that the

18:20

government treats you like a child, and that's

18:22

like a really terrifying thing, and

18:25

that's super and that's why I was watching and I was like,

18:27

I'm glad I'm watching it now because

18:29

it it is something that's on people's

18:32

mind a lot of like what's the like,

18:34

where is how thick is the veil between

18:36

the government and the people. And we talked about this

18:39

level like yeah, some things where you're like, we've all accepted

18:41

that our phones listened to us for a long time.

18:43

But when when we were first telling people

18:45

that a lot of people were like, no, they don't.

18:48

But it's also strange that that Facebook

18:50

and Instagram and everybody can continue to

18:52

deny this when it's something observed

18:55

by literally ever because if they deny

18:57

it, they don't have to take culpability. They're just

18:59

like some mistake, we don't know, it's

19:02

a glitch in the matrix. I just like for something

19:04

like that, Like, I mean, it's kind of easy

19:06

to understand in a pre Internet

19:08

era um when everything in

19:11

question is like a government, a

19:13

government agency or whatever, so

19:16

there is a protocol for classification

19:18

and stuff like that, and I believe that you can

19:20

hide something that big in

19:22

that context. And at that time, I do

19:24

think like now and like

19:27

the online here, it's shocking to

19:29

me that like if they like for

19:31

example, if if if Instagram is

19:33

listening to all of your your

19:37

conversations for the sake of advertising or

19:39

whatever else selling information.

19:41

It's just like, how is that not out

19:44

right now? That's like actually my only misgiving

19:47

about believing it. It's just like it feels

19:49

like it should be out there right now, like it's

19:51

undeniable. People agree. Just

19:53

Instagram won't admit it, right, but there

19:55

should be like proof by now, or somebody

19:58

would like, you know, go against

20:00

in the NBA or whatever. Like

20:02

people don't like so many nd as already,

20:05

like in the last few years, Like it's like the hot thing

20:07

to do. Why doesn't somebody somebody Instagram needs

20:09

to break that India, Well,

20:11

we saw what happened to the people who talked

20:14

in JFK's right, That's what I'm

20:16

saying. Well, speaking

20:18

of twisted tails, oh god, someone

20:21

broke the nightcall agreement. Emily

20:26

is too twisted. I had

20:28

too much of an edge lord. I want

20:30

to point out also that your husband pointed out

20:33

that the joker would not pay to see the joke exactly.

20:36

I know. Well that's how not

20:38

I'm not an edge lord. Actually I'm super normal

20:41

and uh no, it's uh I

20:43

want to go see joker That's why I didn't see JFK. I

20:45

had to choose. I had to make a Soapy's choice

20:48

of Joker or JFK. But this is great

20:50

because you can tell Molly and me about it. What

20:54

do you guys want to know? How was the film?

20:57

Joker? Um? It is

21:00

the word that I can't I'm

21:03

trying to find a better word for it. But I do find

21:05

I found it to be pretty benign overall.

21:08

And I think it's very interesting

21:11

to go and look now because I was trying and I'm

21:13

not reading that many reviews. I would see people's

21:15

tweets about it or whatever, from Venice or

21:17

from Tiff and um,

21:20

there was there was a lot of hand drenking, but

21:22

it felt like it felt like handringing

21:25

about hand ringing or something. It felt like very

21:27

meta, But so I didn't really know what

21:29

what the fuss was particularly,

21:32

and it's been very interesting to go back and read and even just

21:34

like going through Metacritic and like, and that's right,

21:36

Metacritic, not Rotten Tomatoes. Don't

21:38

look at Rotten Tomatoes. It sucks, um.

21:41

But at the when you scroll down and you go

21:43

to the bottom, like the lowest ratings, it's

21:45

like there is. I will

21:47

say, there's a generation of critic that freaked

21:49

out about this movie and what like

21:53

that this is dangerous, that this isn'tcendiary,

21:55

that this is like going to you know,

21:58

everybody's going to like it up a theater or something

22:01

because of this movie. The AO Scott review

22:03

is pretty much what you were saying, or he was like,

22:05

I have no idea why this is being treated

22:09

as it is. So there's so much there's

22:12

I mean, I will just say

22:14

that like a more dangerous movie for

22:16

me, if you even just want to talk about

22:19

like contemporary

22:21

comic book bro canon

22:24

is the Dark Knight. Like The

22:26

Dark Knight is more I hated those movies

22:29

because they were like libertarian fantasy,

22:32

right well, but even if you're just looking at

22:34

the Joker in that movie, if you're looking at

22:36

the Joker is like an idol for

22:38

a certain kind of like edge Lord Boy

22:41

online, he's so much more

22:43

dangerous as like a romantic figure, which

22:46

is also kind of why I like that, like The

22:48

Dark Knight. I'm sorry, not because I think like,

22:50

uh and to state surveillance and

22:52

stuff like that, but he hates Batman.

22:55

I hate Batman right right, And there's something

22:57

like, and he's truly nihilistic in that

22:59

movie, Like, and that's actually the scariest

23:02

actually, Tim Burton Joker

23:05

rules. Also the Jack Nicholson

23:07

Joker. I've never seen that one before, like

23:10

not until not that long ago. Yeah. I totally

23:12

was like, oh, this is great, it's great. That movie's

23:14

great. He's like a like an artist, like he's

23:16

an art collector. It's it's feels

23:19

well, he's like a gangster. Yeah

23:21

yeah, um yeah, and

23:23

and that I don't know, I mean, that was just

23:25

kind of like silly and fun, I guess.

23:28

I mean the thing about this Joker

23:30

movie. Okay, first of all, jakuin Phoenix

23:32

is like very good in it. I really

23:34

like his performance in it. Um.

23:37

Does this feed into Durga Chibo's

23:39

theory that every Joakin Phoenix performance

23:41

is method for the next Joaquin

23:44

Phoenix performance? Well? Oh, I was forgetting.

23:46

But I remembered while I was watching it that because I was

23:48

like, what was his last movie? It wasn't. It wasn't

23:50

the Lynn Nancy movie, was it? Um?

23:52

But no, he wasn't. Did

23:55

I talk about this on the podcast. He was in this barely

23:57

released movie about Mary Magdalene

24:00

in with Rooney Mara, which

24:02

is I wrote about it with Rachel

24:04

Handle. That's where they met. Yeah, I think

24:06

so, which is like it's like Jesus

24:09

to Joka. But it's like

24:11

it's, oh, it's so rude to think about that performance

24:13

in cont because that actually weirdly feels

24:16

it felt like preparation for this one.

24:19

Well, he's one of those actors too. It feels

24:21

like who likes to put himself on the cross over

24:23

and over again, make his body

24:25

all fucked up stuff. I mean his

24:27

body is he has a very like j horror body

24:29

in this um because he's he just lost

24:32

he lost a ton of weight, and there's something weird

24:34

with his shoulder blades, like I don't like

24:37

being out. Yeah. So what I've

24:39

heard is this movie has like really incoherent

24:42

politics. Yeah, it doesn't have any This is the reason

24:44

I say it's nine. It's like it's like

24:46

I remember watching like shortly after the election,

24:49

like Rogue one came out the Star

24:51

Wars movie UM, which is

24:54

like full of all this language about like

24:56

resistine and stuff like that, and I was

24:58

like, oh, man, like the Star

25:00

Wars fans who are like uh

25:02

fascist or whatever going to like hate this

25:04

movie, like good and then then they all loved it,

25:06

and I was like, oh, this is like my first

25:08

lesson, Like if you make a movie vague

25:11

enough, which all big tent poles

25:13

are, anybody will see their politics

25:15

in it. And so I think the thing that was like actually

25:17

kind of annoying to me about this movie, which is not a very

25:20

good movie, Like it's not it's like very

25:22

superficial and kind of um empty

25:24

but um. But like I

25:26

don't understand why people on

25:29

the left particularly are like

25:32

rolling over and letting the right have

25:34

it, or like letting letting are

25:36

you trying to get the leftist joker right,

25:39

because it's like it's about it's about like

25:41

he gets the social services cut off

25:43

and then like basically there's like an Antifa protest

25:46

for like like Bruce Wayne's dad is basically

25:49

Donald Trump in the movie. I mean it's like I've

25:51

heard that also, I've heard the movie is actually

25:53

more about like funk up the rich people.

25:55

That rich is the rally.

25:57

But I think the it

26:00

was that Todd Phillips went on that, but

26:03

I think it was like those goddamn leftists

26:05

so well, it was it was like laying

26:07

out a buffet of things that you

26:09

were, that you knew about the movie before seeing

26:12

a movie of the Todd Phillips connection, I think

26:14

the things that offend me about it, or like Todd Phillips

26:16

making a prestige movie in any way and thinking

26:18

that that winning Venice, like as

26:21

I keep pointing out, the last movie also

26:23

won Venice, the DNA toopper movie that ruined his

26:25

career, because it's really unwatchable. So I

26:27

think it's like they did it for publicity,

26:30

probably also to be like and also

26:32

European people love stupid

26:35

American bullshit. Well look at a remove

26:37

you might be able to kind of not enjoy

26:40

the aspects that Americans,

26:42

some Americans found threatening, but at

26:44

a remove it might seem more insightful

26:47

than it does. I think it's also like

26:50

the Scorsese versus Marvel

26:52

discourse is so inane

26:55

because it's like there are things besides

26:57

both of those things. But he exactly

27:00

produced this, right,

27:03

Like I just like he was a

27:05

DC fan. That's what's so funny that was. But

27:07

I think some Marvel, like DC,

27:10

some reviews positive that

27:12

he exactly produced it just to avoid a

27:14

lawsuit for plagiarism, for sure. I

27:17

think it's also that's the really offensive thing

27:19

to me. It's like just it's just like

27:21

a whitewashed version of taxi

27:24

driver, right until like gesture

27:27

at like those Paul Strader movies.

27:33

And I will say, also taxi drivers politics

27:35

are also sort of incoherent and

27:37

druggy, you know, but at least they are

27:40

aware of being incoherent, and like

27:42

somebody else's reviews was like, at least also a taxi

27:45

driver like like acknowledge that

27:47

this guy was a fucking racist too, right,

27:49

but which they would never acknowledge in this

27:51

this version of the movie. Wasn't

27:53

there though, Like I know, it's like

27:55

it's like not. It's like so like

27:58

there is a racial thing going on

28:00

in the movie, but it's totally incoherent

28:02

seven like seventies or eighties, and

28:06

I heard it's like it's one of these movies that's like

28:08

we're post racial. There's but

28:11

it's like makes no sense it is to be

28:13

post racial, because that's not a thing, and also

28:16

not in this made up time period in a

28:18

made up city that is clearly just New York,

28:20

right, Like there's like references apparently

28:22

to like the Central Park five and stuff, which I think

28:24

I miss because I I came into the movie like

28:27

right, and also just you probably

28:29

spend as much time as Todd Phillips knows

28:32

about the Central Park five right to

28:34

gesture to those things without having any

28:36

actual like analysis or point

28:39

is so fucking stupid. Yeah,

28:41

I don't know. It was. The thing is

28:43

I think the thing that annoys me most

28:46

of all is just like

28:48

like the more the publicity around it. I think I

28:50

was really convinced by the end of this movie that like

28:52

it only existed in the

28:54

kind of I don't know, like hyperventilating

28:58

context that it created for the media

29:00

echo chamber. Yeah, it didn't go

29:03

chamber because it's like the dome.

29:08

Um. Yeah, Like it was like, oh, I

29:11

think that most of what people are fighting about, and

29:13

this is why I wanted to see the movie, Like

29:15

you can fight about what it is

29:18

in quotes without seeing it

29:21

forever and like never actually get it what

29:23

what actually goes on in that movie? And I think that's

29:25

also interesting, But that's not

29:28

like watching a movie. Yeah,

29:31

I don't know. I wanted to see it for free.

29:33

That's my problem. You want to

29:35

know how much I've paid to see this movie because

29:38

I had to see it at a certain time, so I

29:40

had to see it on thirty five, which

29:43

of course they're showing it. That is twisted

29:45

that you had to see Joker ontime

29:48

to punish you for liking thirty five millimeter

29:51

it actually, I mean it's smoke them all. Yeah.

29:55

Uh it costs nine

29:59

that's at eleven in

30:01

the morning. Is truly twisted.

30:03

It's very twisted. Anyway,

30:06

what was the best part, Um,

30:08

The best part is the like

30:11

the talk show thing at the end, like so

30:13

like, um, it's just King of Comedy.

30:15

Yeah, it's just King of Comedy. But yeah,

30:18

night call no no, I want to know you're

30:21

right. And what was the best? So was

30:23

his performance on like the Joaquin Phoenix

30:26

Global. And also there's like

30:28

there's a I mean it's sort of dumb. There's like a

30:30

kind of very fight call light,

30:33

a fight club like don't

30:35

give it, don't tell everybody

30:38

what we do after the pH

30:42

God No, there's like a fight club

30:44

light sort of subplot that runs through involving

30:46

zay Zy beats his character that like

30:49

when it was revealed, because I was like

30:51

really upset with what was going on with

30:53

her character. And then when

30:57

whatever all spoilers movie, you don't give a ship spoiler

31:00

spoiler alert, Like it's it's that he

31:03

has a crush on his neighbor played by zay

31:05

Z Beats, and then um, like

31:07

they strike up a relationship and it's like

31:09

insane because he's so weird and all, and

31:11

it's like what is she thinking? And

31:14

like the the exchanges are like non existent.

31:16

I was like, this is the worst movie

31:18

girlfriend I've ever seen in my entire life. And

31:20

then it's revealed that she was

31:22

an entirely imagined relationship and

31:24

she wasn't there. God,

31:28

but I will say when

31:30

that was revealed, I was like, oh, Okay,

31:33

that I kind of appreciate because you

31:35

couldn't have reconciled it really happened. But

31:37

I appreciate it because I think

31:39

that all, like it was interesting to then

31:41

think of all like superhero movie girlfriends

31:43

being imaginary

31:47

all movie girlfriends might fear. But

31:49

it was just like because they do the cutback where they're

31:51

like all these scenes she was there and she's

31:53

not there, And I was like, what if that was like every

31:55

single fat man wasn't

31:59

there. I don't know, well,

32:01

she wasn't there after that other movie. Wasn't

32:04

she Katie Holmes or it was Katie Holmes. She

32:07

was That was such a weird that

32:10

was like, hey, women are literally replacing

32:13

justly. You don't look

32:16

exactly alike. Yeah, you won't

32:18

notice the difference in acting abilities between

32:21

these two people. Um, I'm

32:23

glad I could see that for you guys, So they don't have to

32:26

thank you so much for reporting Jokers

32:28

are not j Jokers

32:32

are boring. That's what I've heard. They're fine.

32:37

Now that we've cleansed ourselves with that, we can get into

32:39

Fall. Now. Um,

32:42

we're going to have a very special guest today to join us

32:44

to talk about Fall. It's fall. It's fall.

32:46

That's a quotation from our special guests.

32:48

And so after the break, we'll be back

32:50

with our guest, Kate Raft, the

32:53

author of its Fall, a scene about Fall.

33:13

Welcome back tonight, Call. We are here today with

33:15

our very special guest, Kate Raft.

33:17

Kate is on my favorite podcast,

33:20

Jack Am and my other favorite podcast,

33:23

this podcast is Self Care with Drew

33:25

Spears. Welcome tonight, call,

33:27

Kate. Wow, thank

33:29

you so much for having me. Wow, this

33:32

is this is like, this is a big

33:34

deal for me. I'm a big fan. I wish

33:36

that this was a livestream

33:39

or any kind on any kind of video, because

33:41

Kate looks incredible. Yes,

33:44

today, I just want to like maybe

33:46

describe it like kind of like descriptive

33:49

visual services. Um. She's got a

33:51

yellow like Dick Tracy hat, a

33:54

yellow Dick Tracy like blazer,

33:56

a yellow canteen, yellow

33:59

manicure, the yellow manicure. I

34:01

didn't even notice the man holy shit. Um,

34:04

and then offsetting it with a good little yellow

34:06

and green tied eye shirt and

34:09

like flawless red lipstick. It looks amazing,

34:12

Like the colors are just like when you're not

34:14

backt. Kate invented the color yellow.

34:16

It's one of her claims. I

34:18

did invent yellow. I love yellow,

34:20

Thank you very. I were a yellow you

34:24

were a wedding yellow wedding.

34:27

I know it's that

34:29

that's so radical now, I was because

34:32

I love yellow. Yellow is a great color. It is. You've

34:34

also pioneered the idea that wearing a color

34:36

can be a whole personality. Absolutely,

34:38

and it's something that I

34:41

didn't invent that concept, but

34:43

you know, and sometimes you have a partner

34:46

Joan Haley Ford, who we also love, who goes

34:48

as red. Yeah, she she wears. We

34:50

have a sketch duo called Red and Yellow, and we both

34:52

just wear red and yellow and

34:54

to us, that's funny, that's comedy,

34:58

a catchup and mustard. Yeah yeah,

35:02

it's a strong, powerful energy. It is. Um.

35:06

We wanted to talk a little bit about your

35:09

commitment to the season. That

35:11

it is right now it's now October. That

35:13

means it's officially inarguably

35:17

fall. It's so fall right now, it's

35:19

fall. Does

35:21

it feel like fall? Everybody? What fall

35:23

activities? Is everybody doing? Moisturizing?

35:27

Moisturizing? I bought some little pumpkins.

35:29

I was inspired by Kate's Fall Hall

35:32

target. Um. Yeah,

35:34

I thought a couple of fall halls. I did a Trader Joe's

35:36

Fall Hall too, and it's been great.

35:39

The Trader Joe's goes really hard on fall. It

35:41

goes so hard and and it works

35:43

on me. It works on me every time. Hey and I

35:46

I've come to this realization, which is a lot

35:48

of the people I know who are really into Fault,

35:50

including me and Kate and also Miles

35:53

Gray. Uh from the

35:55

DAILIESI guys, Uh, we're

35:58

all from California and we have no experience

36:00

in fallow

36:02

is that it? Yes? Because I like, so

36:05

every year this I followed these instagrammers

36:07

every year that are the fall instagrammers, and

36:09

they start in like July. They

36:12

start in summer being like I hate

36:14

summer, I can't wait for fall. You know who's

36:16

ready for fall and hate summer and that's

36:18

me? And then it like amps up

36:21

and gets more and more crazy leading up until

36:23

October, when it's like at its height. I wouldeel like

36:25

September might be the height because people are the most like

36:27

pre excited for so much fall, like

36:29

ahead of you and

36:30

see and then

36:32

right on Halloween like they go

36:34

to Christmas and then I always follow them.

36:37

But yeah, so these are not

36:39

These are just kind of blanket holiday instagrams.

36:41

They're not just dedicated to fall or did the fall

36:43

instagrams have no choice? Instagrams

36:46

tend to go to winter. There's very few people

36:49

that are die hard like it's still fall even

36:51

after Halloween. People A lot of them are just like,

36:53

Okay, now it's Christmas and last year I

36:55

was so depressed. What about November? Thanksgiving

36:58

sucks? Last year? I so very

37:01

fair weather fan of fall. You

37:04

can't say Thanksgiving if you like fall.

37:06

I don't think I don't disagree. I

37:08

agree. I support Molly and hating

37:10

Thanksgiving, yeah, I mean I hate Thanksgiving,

37:12

don't get me wrong. I mean you can like Thanksgiving

37:14

aesthetic without liking Thanksgiving the

37:16

holiday as it's Thanksgivings

37:18

a very strange holiday. And I don't know if I actually

37:21

I feel like I have said this on the podcast before,

37:23

but this is the first year I'm not making a turkey.

37:26

Almost fifteen years, every

37:28

year I make a turkey. Every year, I'm like, I hate

37:30

turkey. I hate making the turkey,

37:32

I hate buying the turkey. This year, I'm freeing

37:35

myself and I'm going to see if it makes me like Thanksgiving.

37:37

Are you doing something alternative?

37:40

Hell, yes, I'm doing cornish game hence,

37:43

which are if you think about it, the opposite

37:45

of a turkey. The turkey is like this huge

37:48

bird and you're like, I'm gonna flip this around

37:50

and have a tiny food. Did love

37:53

Thanksgiving growing up because we did like a

37:55

West Coast Thanksgiving, the coast Thanksgiving

37:57

with like family friends you know who like

38:00

showed us horror movies and show us for the first time.

38:02

It was like we didn't have to like travel and

38:04

go see all your family or never

38:06

traveling. Do

38:09

you travel now for thanksgetting? No, I don't,

38:11

but I don't really do anything now. I'm just

38:13

like, I'm not I'm not as into

38:15

it. I don't like the pressure

38:17

to have a turkey and all. Can you guys convince

38:20

me to like fall because I have current? Okay, so

38:22

it's so important. So we've

38:25

never needed fall more than we need to. Having

38:27

realized that all the people that are really into fall

38:29

our California and like Texas

38:31

people, because a lot of the Memurs would reveal themselves

38:33

at some point and be like here I am in Arizona

38:35

where I live, and I was like, of course,

38:38

none of us live in places that have fall. We're

38:41

all just like nostalgic for

38:43

a thing we feel like we should have participate.

38:46

Oh shit, the

38:49

Midwest in New England are here to

38:51

fight us, because I do think that's part of it

38:53

too. I think to be really into fault,

38:55

you have to have limited

38:57

knowledge of winter, like real,

39:01

real winter. Because when

39:03

I did live in New England when

39:06

I was in college, I was like, Okay, fall

39:08

is as amazing as I thought it was going to be,

39:10

Like real fall is fucking incredible.

39:13

Um. But the reason it's

39:16

incredible. Also, is that sort of like undertow

39:19

of dread of like soon it will

39:21

be too cold to leave my house, which doesn't

39:24

happen here. What we're talking

39:26

about that we think of as fall as really

39:28

like the season of winter. Here, during

39:31

the season of fall, it is really fire

39:35

season, and there's a huge This is why I

39:37

hate fall. Yeah, there's a hole where

39:39

you can smell it in the air. But also I

39:41

tend to think of like seasons as days of the week,

39:43

but there are also many days of the week missing

39:46

from seasons. Obviously it's because of math.

39:50

But fall is Sunday.

39:52

Fall is like a Sunday afternoon when

39:55

you're like, shit, it's going to happen again,

39:57

but shouldn't be short. And then

39:59

winter or is Monday obviously

40:02

through Wednesday. I would say Wednesday

40:04

is spring. Wednesday's spring

40:06

because you're like almost there. And then

40:09

obviously Friday Saturday is summer.

40:12

That is only if you like summer, which

40:14

I do, which best

40:17

because it's the best because it's the only time,

40:19

most fun season. It's the most fun season on the

40:21

East coast. In the Midwest, totally

40:24

different. I think the summer is canceled

40:26

summer because we have global

40:29

warming. Okay, summer is canceled.

40:31

Summer is going to be hotter and hotter and

40:33

hotter when it's fun to

40:35

be that hot. Like, I do also

40:37

think because I want to say like, I also do not buy

40:40

into the like the only real weather is

40:42

snow. You know, l A doesn't have real weather. We

40:44

just have a different it's different weather,

40:46

which here is rainy, which I love me. It's

40:49

like the best day is when it's like not

40:51

a hundred and ten degrees anymore, that to

40:53

me. But it's dark early. I love

40:55

that. I hate it. I'm

40:58

dreading just that now I'm only part

41:00

of winter that I'm dreading now now that I'm back in California

41:03

is like just the early daytime. You

41:05

were just talking about how much you

41:07

love Vampire Backs. I love Vampire

41:09

Backs and I love and I dressed

41:11

God today, Like, but

41:15

I really I think of fall

41:17

as like the dread part of it isn't

41:19

a fun dread. But that's also

41:22

because you know, back East, it's

41:24

like it's beautiful, but it's really brief,

41:26

right, But that's what makes it also really amazing.

41:29

Yeah, it's amazing. I think that we need to

41:31

spiritually extend fall, like it

41:33

needs to start in our minds

41:35

and end later. Like I think fall

41:37

should be maybe mid to

41:40

early August all the way through Christmas

41:42

Eve, totally Christmas Eve. I think,

41:44

like let's drag it as far down as

41:47

we care with her, because also spring supposedly

41:49

starts way too early, and it's generally

41:52

like still winter for so much longer. This

41:54

year in l A. It was like freezing cold

41:56

until July. It was, but

41:58

it was chili. Yeah, it was chili. Well it

42:00

was still it's still technically fault until

42:03

December one. Yeah,

42:05

that's true. So that's basically Christmas

42:08

Eve. Yeah, I think you think you get

42:10

I'd like to shorten the Christmas season to like

42:12

two days. I think it should be Christmas even

42:14

Christmas. I agree. I'm

42:17

fine with that. I can go back to fall even on the

42:19

that's fine. So it's the fall of

42:22

the domain. Because I

42:24

was thinking about, I know you've been following these

42:26

these fault accounts for a while,

42:28

Molly, is that the domain

42:30

of what we would refer to as a Visco

42:33

girl. I

42:35

think it's going to be the one who

42:38

will know. I mean, I'm totally unclear.

42:40

I mean, in general,

42:42

like Visco girls do

42:44

love fall. I think they love fall. The only problem

42:47

is the classic Visco

42:49

girl ensemble is like a big

42:51

shirt with tiny and like

42:53

shorts that you you're not meant to see.

42:56

I think the kids call that is it called

42:58

lamp shady? Yeah? I think that

43:01

is. Can you explain just

43:03

because I only found out what these different

43:05

types of girls were yesterday,

43:07

now that we know what lamb shading is. I

43:10

heard about that first because of Ariana Grande,

43:12

because she's

43:15

a lamb shader sore.

43:18

Who are all the girl's? Only three kinds of girls?

43:21

According to a BuzzFeed quiz that some

43:24

of us took. We don't have to take the quiz

43:26

or I'm the fourth type, which is which

43:28

is a normal girl very offended

43:30

to be. But the other three types the Visco girl,

43:33

E girl, and batty

43:37

or batty

43:42

Instagram batty. I'm assuming it's like a Kylie.

43:46

Yeah, that makes sense. Can you describe

43:48

more what that would be? Well, it's

43:50

like contour makeup, like highlighting,

43:52

like a makeup tutorial, like Visco

43:55

girl is like no makeup makeup, and

43:57

like Instagram Batty would be like full

44:00

full beat. And this is all

44:02

kind of in the realm. Of Instagram

44:05

or it doesn't like I think the other I

44:07

think is it a TikTok thing? Yeah, I

44:09

think it's an Instagram and TikTok thing.

44:11

Okay, I don't know. I think Instagram

44:13

is like real life and like TikTok is like

44:15

your performative life. Actually they're both.

44:17

I don't know. The Internet is everything. Yeah,

44:20

yeah, there's no there's no cultures

44:23

without that. Don't start on the internet. Now. Wait,

44:25

so then what's an So if a Visco girl is

44:27

kind of like a Caroline Callaway, is that the

44:29

esthetic? Is it a little base? I would say

44:32

it's like more Emma Chamberlain. Okay,

44:34

Okay, I just learned who that is from Caroline.

44:38

I went on that journey too. Yeah,

44:40

she an influencer. She's like a

44:42

she's kind of the I think she's

44:45

the classic Visco influencer. Really,

44:47

she's very like unusual looking.

44:50

I could be wrong about this. She kind of looks

44:52

like insect e, like she's kind

44:54

of alien it that's

44:57

what. Yeah, that's what a Visco girl looks

44:59

like. I think Caroline Callaway is actually

45:01

too old to be an

45:04

to be a Visco girl, specifically

45:06

because judging anyone for what

45:08

age they might think they're a Visco girl at here,

45:10

and I call, I guess that's true. I guess

45:12

that's true. I guess I guess she's

45:15

there a Visco woman. I

45:18

consider myself a Visco woman. I'm

45:20

a Visco adult. Wait, so I'm looking

45:22

at Emma Chamberlain's Instagram right

45:24

now, but like this look is what I would

45:26

consider like ant batty.

45:29

Maybe I'm wrong on this. I would consider an

45:31

E girl actually because she's dressing like, say

45:34

what the girl is? Okay, the girl is like, um,

45:37

it feels to me it's like the cosplay

45:39

of the nineties, sort of like

45:42

Haley Baldwin. Yeah.

45:44

The one thing that I feel like, it's very

45:46

like Asian beauty

45:49

tutorial esthetic,

45:52

like a lot of like the pink blush

45:54

that was at the end, like and like different colored hair

45:56

and stuff like that, like Billie Eilish

45:58

hair. Yeah, like Eyelish is an

46:00

EA girl. Yeah,

46:02

so that's the one that I got. Obviously,

46:05

I'm such an E girl. And I was saying

46:07

that I claimed Visco girls

46:10

because I was like, that's how I've been dressing

46:12

my whole life. I can't believe that is cool

46:14

now is to wear You've always been ahead

46:16

of the curve, but IM into

46:19

everyone wearing a big time I T shirt and

46:21

that's fashion now. I'm

46:23

fashionable now. I think that Visco girls

46:26

are like probably like the

46:28

gen Z people that like millennials

46:31

the most, or like they're like closest to millennials.

46:33

To me, it just feels like the Instagram

46:36

batty bubble bursting because it's like

46:39

all of a sudden, girls are like no makeup,

46:41

makeup, like lip gloss, and like your asual,

46:44

like the way that we all did kind of dress in the

46:46

nineties where it wasn't like styled

46:49

for Instagram, you know, it's

46:51

like more about comfort and like

46:53

kind of like skater girl e. It's

46:56

very California. El Well,

46:58

then I need like a better example of what this

47:00

is because I don't think it's m A Chamberlain

47:02

because she's like very made up

47:05

and like wearing like looks.

47:07

All three types of girls were on full display

47:09

last night at the Law until Ragos, then

47:12

Emili and I both went to my favorite

47:14

look. There was like three girls who were all

47:16

wearing like the same fresh

47:19

from Zara, like fake leather jackets

47:21

and we're all like dressed in black. It was just like

47:23

the mall goth look basically there

47:26

are a lot of posses and also they're very

47:28

wisely selling a lady flower crowns

47:31

which people were wearing. Good look. But

47:34

yeah, I was like, oh yeah, those are the only types

47:36

of girls now. And then I was trying to think cause I was like, where

47:38

does goth fall? And I was like, oh, there's a goth

47:41

version of each of these things. I think

47:43

you're right. Yeah, there's like gothy girls,

47:45

goth insto baddies, and could

47:48

there be Yeah, I

47:50

think you might be it right now. Gothisco

47:54

is real. It's real. I'm confused

47:56

as to how Viscope is a part of

47:58

the Visco Girl because I use Visco a

48:00

lot for my photos, um, and I didn't

48:03

realize that there was like an esthetic and like

48:05

a girl side to I

48:08

mean, yeah there is. I

48:10

don't know. I think it's like because I

48:13

don't know, I think it isn't the best filters this thing? Does

48:15

that make me a Visco Girl because I think they have the best filter.

48:17

I think it makes you like, it makes

48:19

you just like a wise human because

48:22

they do have the best I paid the money for

48:24

the app. I was like shocked that it was like thirty

48:26

dollars still one, but

48:29

I still like the free thing. I get

48:31

like scammed into pay for

48:33

a premium. I have the

48:35

free one. Have

48:38

Risco. I don't have Fisco I use

48:40

it made me feel intimidate, the least Fisco girl

48:42

of all, and even have Visco. I love Fisco because

48:45

you can add film graining. Oh

48:47

my god, you're such a dark

48:50

sometimes it just makes it's like nice stuff and textures.

48:53

I want to shoot my Instagram photos on thirty

48:55

five and tour.

49:00

You guys know. I want to go back

49:02

to like shooting it on a flip phone where it's

49:04

all pixelated and grainy making

49:06

That would be great. Kate, what are your

49:08

favorite fall activities? Um?

49:11

I love watching horror movies.

49:13

I love drinking like a pumpkin beer.

49:16

I love carving a pumpkin. I

49:18

just made a pumpkin pie. Well I

49:20

didn't. I watched my husband. Watched your

49:24

husband make a pumpkin pie. A

49:26

lot of people watched. Um.

49:29

Yeah. One of my favorite things you guys do is that,

49:31

in addition to doing a daily morning

49:33

show on Twitch, you also have like live

49:35

streams of activities, and one of them

49:38

is cooking. I love that. Yeah,

49:40

we do a very cleverly named show

49:42

called Jack's Cooking Kitchen where

49:46

my husband Jack just like learns to cook

49:49

something. And my friend Lindsay Miller,

49:52

who's like a professional pastry show. She does

49:54

like apocalypse themed

49:57

baked goods called all Gonna

49:59

Pie, and she like has a whole less

50:01

recipe blog. Did

50:03

you guys make any chancy? This may be old, but

50:05

I just saw it the other day, the pot pies

50:07

with the human faces. Oh no,

50:09

but that sounds you're saying to me because

50:12

I was cheated about how I made a pie that kind of

50:14

had a human face. It's really

50:16

intense. I guess that they originally did them with latex

50:18

masks and then they made them edible and they did edible

50:20

hair. But I have

50:23

a friend who does. She

50:25

made some like horror pastries

50:27

for parties that I couldn't eat

50:29

because they were too just love

50:31

that. She made like a face pie where I was like,

50:34

no, I don't want to touch it. But

50:36

I did make a pie that had like a slipknot

50:38

mask crust. Did you eat it yet? Nobody

50:41

turned out? Great? Wait, Molly, you made this pie

50:43

like days ago. You want to eat in your pie two

50:45

days ago, gonna eat it today? Okay, why haven't

50:48

you eaten it yet? Why did you make it? Stressed

50:50

out? But then I feel like eating

50:53

the pie would be like the best part of

50:55

like the stress really fast. Do

50:57

you ever just do something and then

51:00

by the time you're finished, you're like, I don't know, now

51:02

it's done. Yeah, I do, but

51:04

not with food. I will say, yesterday

51:06

we were going to the concert. There was no time. I'm going to

51:09

go eat it when I get home, eat your pie.

51:11

Maybe I'll live stream it. I feel like I have to be

51:13

in the right mood to eat a pie. Like it has to. I

51:15

can't just eat it. I don't love pie, like I

51:18

don't hate pie, but like it just has to strike

51:20

me at that. I totally agree. I'm not a sweet

51:22

person either, but the pie, it's like, you really

51:24

have to be in the right mood. Imagine it's

51:27

Pumpkin's better for me. It's like more appealing

51:29

vegetable. But you know what's weird

51:32

is remember how they reveal that there's no pumpkin

51:34

in canned pumpkin. It's like a different

51:37

I don't remember from

51:41

the pumpkin. I don't those are two wet

51:43

and fibrous for me. Oh no, well, I

51:45

I make them. I make a vegan pumpkin

51:48

pie with the whole pumpkin, and

51:50

usually I play around with it, but a lot of times I just

51:52

do a silk and toffee wound, which is actually pretty great.

51:55

Um. And so then you have like the real

51:57

pumpkininess and it doesn't

52:00

give me what is the pie? The pumpkin pie you

52:02

guys made today? It also looked really good.

52:04

What was in it? It was just like a

52:07

pumpkin and a ton of butter and

52:09

sugar and you didn't

52:11

use condensed milk. I don't

52:13

remember. I wasn't. I

52:16

wasn't fully in this. I was like dipping

52:18

in and out. It was like my best friend

52:20

Lindsay and my husband made it together and

52:23

it was great. It was a great combo. It was

52:25

great. And yeah I

52:27

watched at home, but it was live

52:29

in front of my eyes. And what

52:32

other fall activities? I mean,

52:34

I love like a haunted hay ride situation.

52:37

I haven't gone in a couple of years because I heard it got

52:39

kind of bad. The l a one but one.

52:43

Yeah, the Griffith Park ever gone, And I would

52:45

like to I heard it was too scary for

52:47

kids. It was too scary for kids by a mile.

52:50

I love like the best, like one

52:52

of those I ever went to, and it's closed

52:54

now. But my best friend Kate lives

52:57

in Vegas, and there's this

52:59

place called Bonnie Springs, which is like forty

53:01

five minutes outside of Vegas. There's nothing

53:03

around. It's so scary. It's like pitch

53:06

Black the whole drive and

53:08

they turn it's like a I don't know, it's like a pig

53:10

farm or something that they turned into this

53:13

thing called Bonnie Screams, and

53:15

it's like so low budget, but that

53:17

makes it so much scarier. And just the fact

53:19

that it's like in Nevada scary

53:22

and like the laws here and yeah,

53:24

and they like they make you go into

53:26

the mazes like by yourself,

53:29

like or you're just with your group, like you're not like

53:31

following people, and

53:34

and they like they don't tell you

53:36

how to get out. There's not like regulations.

53:38

I don't know if it's legal even what they were doing,

53:41

but it's like an outdoor giant escape

53:44

exit science. Like people

53:46

just come right up to you and like there's

53:49

no way to get around. Like it's just very

53:51

scary and it

53:54

was so good though it was that that was the best

53:56

one I ever went to. That sounds terrific.

53:58

I don't like to be that scared. Only, I think

54:00

is the only one in our group that really likes to

54:02

go get scared. Well. I did

54:05

a thing at grant Land like where I tried

54:07

all the different haunts and tried to find one that would

54:09

actually scare. But you went alone also went

54:11

on to all of them. Um,

54:14

yeah, I think, like, I mean, there's a there's a big

54:16

difference between being jump scared, which is like pretty

54:18

easy to do, just like sneak up on somebody and

54:20

go that's just being startled. Yeah,

54:22

that's just being startled. It's not being scared. It's not like

54:25

really genuinely having something

54:26

get under your skin and feeling freaked out

54:28

and spooky. Um I want to

54:31

go to more stuff like that. I feel

54:33

like stuff now either goes like all the way to the

54:35

shock value end of things where it's just like or

54:37

like the black I've never been on a in a blackout

54:40

before, but like that's where you know, it's like

54:42

torture, shoam, bruise and stuff like

54:44

that. It's like edge Lord,

54:46

haunted house. It's like no,

54:50

it's like it's like they're

54:53

like horrific scenes of like torture

54:56

and like murders. It's like not,

54:58

it's like not cute. It's like a hell house.

55:01

Yeah, it sounds great. It's like it's

55:03

like it's like can you handle it? And there's

55:05

a there's a safe word and stuff and it's like full body

55:07

contact. Oh. I did when I did one

55:09

of those in New York when I was when I was in

55:11

college, and they could like touch you and

55:14

it was like fucked up. They

55:17

like, I

55:20

don't know, but I loved it. But I did like

55:22

get diarrhea from being so scary. The

55:26

scariest thing I've ever done wasn't a haunted

55:29

house, but it was this thing in the Exploratorium

55:31

that they built in the seventies, and it's called

55:33

like the Filarium.

55:36

Talking about it's so seventies.

55:39

It's like you have to get a ticket to it. If

55:43

I think like a Coppola designed it,

55:45

it's seventy

55:47

San Francisco thing. I don't think they have it anymore.

55:50

Sounds like a lawsuits to be scary

55:52

or is it just it's a pitchock geodesic

55:55

dome obstacle course that you have to

55:57

feel your way through that, and

56:01

that sounds I did it with my boyfriend

56:03

at the time, and I was like immediately

56:06

so scared that I just grabbed onto

56:08

him and just like forced him to like

56:10

find the way the whole time. Um,

56:13

they have a dark means or they

56:15

had a dark mas at the Haunted hay Ride,

56:18

which was the scariest thing there.

56:20

I thought the l a Haunted hay Ride. I don't

56:22

know if they still do it, but they would have people they

56:24

can't touch you, and that's still it's not a

56:26

it's not a full body contact one. But

56:29

but you are, like in Pitch Black, finding your

56:31

way through and you can hear like like

56:34

speaky people around you. It's

56:36

very scared. I

56:38

love to be scared, but I like do scream

56:41

like way too much, and it's very

56:43

off putting. It's like I see a lot of horror

56:45

movies during this season two, like

56:47

in theaters, and I just like make everyone's

56:49

embarrassed around me. I just screamed like really loud

56:52

in movie theaters and it freaks people out. That's

56:54

what you want, but I can't, And that's what you

56:56

wanted. An audience. Yeah, I love that.

56:58

Yeah, I mean I

57:01

celebrate myself

57:04

screams.

57:06

I mean, I can't change that about me, so I

57:08

have to. I have no choice but to embrace it.

57:27

Is there a horror movie that you're

57:29

looking forward to or that, Yeah, it's really good

57:31

so far this year. I'm really excited about

57:34

Countdown. It looks like a shitty teen

57:36

horror movie. Those are the best ones that it's

57:38

like one were you the teens like find

57:40

out when they're going to die, and then one girl is

57:42

like I'm going to dine in three hours and

57:46

then like the teens have to like escape

57:48

down. When does this come out? I have no

57:51

idea, but I will find out and put that on

57:53

the show. No Countdown. I

57:55

keep getting the Instagram ads for it, so I know

57:57

that it's the right film for me, Like

58:00

targeting you. Um,

58:02

yeah, so my friends, my friends and I like to go

58:04

see like a site

58:07

I'm seeing that. Yeah,

58:09

I'm so excited I want to see that. Yeah. I feel

58:11

like my favorite horror movies are like just the

58:13

unsettling ones. I don't

58:16

I don't love a ton of torture and gore.

58:18

I like Slashers. We've talked about I

58:20

like, I like what, I like gross

58:22

movies. I like disgusting movies,

58:25

Like I like Alien, Like I love

58:27

it. Yeah, I love Alien.

58:30

Yeah, And like I don't know, like I

58:32

think a lot of the Purge movies kind of count in that

58:34

vein too, because sometimes there's just something like

58:36

so gonzo violent in

58:39

it that you're it's just like we're just

58:41

also like too real now, because

58:43

we were like joking last week about Donald

58:45

Trump signing the Purge into law, those

58:47

Gabe doll eyes joke, uh, and we're

58:49

all like, it's two real. It's two real, it is. And then this

58:52

thing with the p G and E blackouts in

58:54

the Bay Area, where like the explanation

58:57

is that it's like PG n E is bankrupt,

59:00

so they didn't do any of the tree trimming and

59:02

like maintenance they needed to do, and

59:04

so their solution was to like shut off the power to all

59:06

these places. But then also people found

59:08

these photos of like they just had their company retreated

59:11

a vineyard in the

59:14

Purges, like to on points sometimes

59:17

I appreciate it.

59:19

So it feels exactly like

59:21

the right level of like social

59:23

commentary that should be in a horse like with the

59:25

exact right level of seriousness that should

59:27

be in a horrorone. That's my favorite non

59:29

horror fall tradition, which is

59:32

what watching the Sopranos oh every

59:34

year around. But that's also that's Thanksgiving,

59:36

which now I know it doesn't count as fault, but

59:39

but it does. And also that's a better November

59:41

tradition than Thanksgiving. That's a

59:43

great fall. It's perfect.

59:46

That is actually like a fall vibe. That

59:48

makes me really like fall because

59:51

it's like a fall of the mind. Yeah, and

59:53

it's like I think, you know, in California

59:56

is so much pressure just be outside having fun

59:58

all the time. I just hate the fires

1:00:00

in the Santa Anna's and I associate those with fall.

1:00:03

Well, that's like our winter. Also, we

1:00:05

do have to hide inside. It's kind of just

1:00:07

are always It's just

1:00:09

always fire season, so you have to

1:00:12

you know, it happens every year. But every year, I'm

1:00:14

like, wow, really like it was starting to

1:00:16

get cold. I thought it might really just be fall.

1:00:19

So I do think that Kate and eye level

1:00:21

falls a little bit of like a psychotic break from

1:00:23

reality. I think it's truly unhinged

1:00:25

and like Unwell, can

1:00:27

we wrap up with talking about the Emoji

1:00:29

House Okay, So

1:00:33

there's this house in my hometown

1:00:35

of Manhattan Beach, California, where I grew

1:00:37

up, um, and it's like owned by

1:00:40

this woman who I

1:00:42

guess was renting it out as I'm

1:00:44

guessing an Airbnb or something, and

1:00:47

she painted it um pink and

1:00:49

added like emojis to the front of it because

1:00:52

her neighbors like reported

1:00:54

the illegal airbnb because in Manhattan Beach

1:00:56

it's like illegal um and they

1:00:58

reported her to the city and she was like fine,

1:01:01

like four thousand dollars or something, and

1:01:04

so as a like act of retribution,

1:01:06

she allegedly painted

1:01:08

emojis based on them

1:01:10

on the front of the house and like one has big

1:01:12

eyelashes, because this is my favorite

1:01:14

part, because her neighbor has like

1:01:16

eyelash extensions. Oh my god,

1:01:19

and like everyone's like, that's clearly about the neighborhood,

1:01:22

the eyelash extensions, and even the

1:01:24

neighbor with the eyelash extensions like gave

1:01:26

interviews and did like a stry sand effect

1:01:29

thing where she was like, I knew it was targeted

1:01:31

to me because I got eyelash extensions

1:01:33

and they looked too big and I felt

1:01:35

self conscious, and everyone knew how selftious

1:01:38

and your eyelashes are too long and beautiful.

1:01:42

Kate did a like self reported

1:01:45

it was you

1:01:48

for watching. Yeah, I

1:01:50

was like, I was like, I don't have a real job,

1:01:52

Like I'm compelled to go to Manhattan Beach, like

1:01:54

the day after the l A Times covered it. I

1:01:56

was like, okay, like Manhattan Beach is in the news,

1:01:58

Like this is my moment. I

1:02:01

took my zom recorder O

1:02:03

my god, and like filmed

1:02:06

myself on my iPhone like walking up

1:02:08

the hill and I was like, I'm going to like see

1:02:11

what's going on on the ground, and like it

1:02:14

was like popping, like there were so many

1:02:16

people driving by to take selfies in front

1:02:18

of the house. And then I saw the

1:02:20

neighbors that were like in the city Hall

1:02:22

video and they were like so

1:02:24

mad that I was there. Really yeah,

1:02:26

I was like because I was like trying to get people to interview,

1:02:29

to be on Jack Am to like talk about

1:02:31

it, and no one would go on Mike

1:02:33

to talk to me. But I did get

1:02:35

like one off the record interview

1:02:37

and she was like she was like

1:02:39

I don't record this, Like she

1:02:42

was like um, but she told me

1:02:44

that the eyelash thing was true.

1:02:47

And that the lady who owns

1:02:49

the house is like allegedly like kind of a

1:02:51

slum lord type of situation, and

1:02:54

that the neighbors yeah,

1:02:56

and that she was like it had this huge

1:02:58

like roach infestation, she like wouldn't

1:03:00

deal with it or something like another property

1:03:03

or it might have been at another

1:03:05

property. I don't have the ground reporting, so

1:03:07

like I have, I do have some insider info,

1:03:10

and it was like kind of a thrill. It was also like

1:03:12

very Manhattan Beach, like very

1:03:15

isolated and like privileged, and like

1:03:17

they also were like there were too many parties at that

1:03:20

hots, like they were throwing like bottle caps

1:03:22

on the ground. I was like bottle caps,

1:03:27

Like this is a town where it's like very very

1:03:29

illegal to like be homeless at all. So

1:03:32

it's like not the greatest like

1:03:34

vibe. That's why I enjoyed your reporting.

1:03:37

Y um. Well, Kate, thank you so much

1:03:39

for joining us explaining. Thank

1:03:43

you so much for having everybody

1:03:45

check out Kate Raft every day

1:03:47

on jack amu on

1:03:49

Twitch. It's the best, It's the best.

1:03:52

Thank you best most

1:03:54

Ahead of the Curve podcasts in the world,

1:03:58

and also check out this podcast is Self

1:04:00

Care with Kate and Drew

1:04:02

Spears. You can check me out on the Self

1:04:04

Grandparenting episode. Yeah, just

1:04:07

come out. It came out a while ago, but self

1:04:09

Grandparenting there was

1:04:11

like an article about

1:04:13

it today with like knitting needles and yeah,

1:04:16

it's going internationally. Somebody interviewed me

1:04:18

about it for Mashable in Australia

1:04:21

and then that got picked up by a Canadian

1:04:23

blog. So I think self

1:04:25

Grandparenting will be the thing that really uh

1:04:28

gets us the money to buy the Emoji House.

1:04:31

Okay, so the Emoji House is the

1:04:33

price is dropping on it because no one wants

1:04:35

to buy it. So you know how much is it?

1:04:37

It was eight million? I

1:04:41

think now it's like seven point five.

1:04:43

We'll get there, I think you do.

1:04:45

I allegedly heard that it

1:04:47

needs a gut renovation, right

1:04:49

and it's haunted to Yeah, it's it's

1:04:51

how many people were murdered there. Well,

1:04:57

thanks for having me by.

1:05:00

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