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podcast at gmail dot com. Hi

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guys, we're in a silly mood today. We are in a super

1:05

silly mood. It's just me and tests

1:07

in the Weird Garage looking

1:09

at each other in the face super close.

1:12

Speaking of intense close ups, We're going to talk about

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1:18

We're also going to talk about Felicity, the TV

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show Felicity the shadow Man,

1:22

and we're gonna solve the mystery of the ice cream truck

1:25

Ghost. But first I

1:27

wanted to tell everybody

1:29

about little podcast. I guess it on called

1:31

The Shining to thirty seven that

1:33

is really awesome. It is My

1:35

Friends Susan's podcast. Each

1:38

episode is about the Shining in two

1:40

minutes and thirty seven second segments

1:42

of the Shining or analyzed. Well. The reason

1:45

being for people aren't familiar with the Shining

1:47

fandom is that Room to seven

1:50

was the bad room.

1:52

Yeah, it's the scary room, the scary room.

1:54

Um. But also it's part of a trend of in podcasting

1:57

that I didn't know about, which is that there are

1:59

a lot of pod has that do movies where

2:01

each episode takes a minute of a movie at

2:03

a time. So this is also a riff

2:05

on that where it's it's just the

2:07

Shining, but it uses the Shining as a jumping off

2:09

point to talk about kind of

2:11

all sorts of things and so on. The episode

2:14

that I did, which you can find

2:16

at the Shining two

2:19

three seven dot com, that's the Shining,

2:21

the number two, the number three, the number seven

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dot com, we did an episode

2:26

that was a lot about Shelley Duval because

2:29

that was what was in the clip that I

2:31

watched was a scene between uh

2:34

Shelley Duval and Jack Nicholson where

2:37

they are having an argument. This

2:39

is one of the ones that just also just feels like listening

2:42

to like someone's parents argue, where it's just very

2:44

stressful. And then they cut to Danny and Danny's

2:46

like, you know, bleeding out the face and like

2:49

chicken and thinking about

2:51

the blood Elevator, and they're

2:54

playing a lot of good Wendy Carlos music

2:56

and it's very intense. Um. But

2:59

yeah, we also talked about Shelly Duval a lot

3:01

and how much we love Shelly Duval

3:04

and just all of her great

3:06

work in Allman movies and

3:08

on Fairytale Theater, which

3:11

was a weird anthology show that she

3:14

produced. Um, that was a children's TV

3:16

show that totally

3:18

I watched them and it went took me to the

3:20

weirdest part of my brain when it was

3:22

eighties and it was like everybody

3:24

cool. It was in these Oh you gotta

3:27

watch it. It's like these weird Fairytale

3:29

adaptations. The first one is The Frog

3:31

Prince and it stars like Terry gar Robin

3:34

Williams, Van Dyke Parks. That's

3:37

awesome. Yeah, they all seem really

3:39

fun to have made, but they're also super

3:42

weird. And but they were actually

3:44

the first original show that was ever on HBO

3:47

or one of them. They were one of the first original

3:49

cable shows. Yes, I was saying,

3:51

like Shelly Duval, perhaps an underrated

3:54

pioneer. Definitely an underrated pioneer.

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Yeah, and that wasn't the Christopher

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walkin Puss in Boots, was it? Or I

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that is a master field, Like that's

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Speaking of spiders. Oh yeah, so

5:56

a long long time ago, Um,

5:58

we were discussing the bees.

6:04

We were first coming up with ideas for what to talk

6:07

about on this podcast, and we were brainstorming.

6:09

For some reason, Tess was like, I've got

6:11

an idea

6:14

for a segment. It's called the Bees are

6:16

back in Town. So

6:19

this was almost an entire year

6:22

agast a year ago we started getting getting

6:24

the gang back together. So

6:27

if you're not familiar with where

6:29

the bees were before they came back to town,

6:32

let me just tell you that for a while, the bees

6:34

were suffering from a mysterious disease

6:37

and the honey bees were disappearing, and

6:39

I guess it was called colony collapse.

6:42

And I love bees.

6:44

I'm I'm a bug friend, a friend of all

6:46

bugs, and this is gonna this is a reoccurring

6:49

segment. I know we've talked about bugs before, we

6:51

will and we will get forever. Um. So

6:53

this is Insect Corner, a k. The bug

6:55

Bag, bug Bag. But

6:58

I got very interested in what was happening to the bees

7:00

because there was a colony. I guess

7:02

they just follow the queen. If the queen

7:04

gets like confused, and goes

7:07

to a bad plate, like a bad neighborhood

7:09

or whatever. Everyone's just following her anyway.

7:11

So there were a bunch of bees that

7:14

followed a queen to the pavement outside

7:16

of my kids preschool,

7:19

and they were just like

7:21

on the ground, like a swarm of bees.

7:24

And everybody was pretty divided

7:26

as to what the approach should be to deal

7:28

with the bees. But eventually, um,

7:31

a bee saving company

7:33

was called and they relocated. It

7:36

was a pretty crazy scene, like it was a ton

7:38

of bees. But then I was googling

7:41

the bees, and bees are

7:43

obviously very important. And if you've

7:45

seen B movie, you might also

7:47

understand you seen

7:49

the movie like fifty times. What have

7:53

you never seen B movie? But I've made

7:55

a lot of jokes about it. Okay, so be movie.

7:58

You know a lot of times when people get really into

8:01

being fans of a movie that's like, on

8:04

its face, maybe you might call it

8:06

a bad movie. I think that

8:08

the obsession with it is a little

8:10

overrated. Not the case with the movie, not

8:13

the case at all. There's just so

8:15

many weird, weird choices

8:18

and decisions that were made in the making

8:20

of that movie. There's the quote at

8:22

the beginning about how bees

8:24

are like too fat to fly and it's

8:26

like goes against nature that I some

8:28

people can quote this quote, but I cannot.

8:31

If there's a movie your kids like or do you like the

8:33

movie this? So I came. I came

8:35

to find out about this movie after everybody

8:38

else, as is my my custom,

8:40

and uh, my kids tend

8:42

to watch things into the ground. So I was. I

8:45

got up Netflix, and I was like, we're watching something

8:47

you've never seen and you're gonna love it.

8:49

And I was like, what's this. This looks like

8:51

a fun movie, and I turned it on. And usually

8:53

I just kind of like, you know, sit

8:56

in the background and not watch the movie, but this movie

8:58

is impossible to do that with because

9:01

it's just like right off the bat, a very

9:03

strange movie. Also, Rene

9:05

Zellwegger, for some reason, is like

9:08

doing something. She's disguises her voice.

9:10

She plays a human. She falls in love

9:13

with a b she falls in love with a be. Oh

9:15

my god, Molly, where do I begin? Where

9:18

do you vegin? Where do I begin? How about

9:20

the ray Leota branded

9:22

honey that prompts the hero

9:25

of the movie to have a lawsuit

9:27

against humans for like stealing

9:29

the profits of honey, it's about and you

9:32

love it because it's about capitalism. Did

9:34

somebody write this on drugs? And like Jerry

9:36

Seinfeld wrighted on drugs in a weekend because

9:38

he wrote B movie? Wait he did,

9:40

Yes, Molly, I kind of

9:43

always thought it was like the B version of Ants

9:45

with a Z. No, it is very different

9:47

than Ants with his Is it in the Abugs life

9:49

universe? No? The thing is I believe

9:52

I don't even know if it came afterse

9:55

No, it's not. It's it is its own self

9:57

contained. The movie

10:00

with Where the B Barry Benson

10:03

Renee Zellweger spoilers. Renee

10:06

Zellweger saves Barry Benson from

10:08

being killed by her boyfriend, who's

10:10

like a really dochy guy. Barry

10:12

Benson is not supposed

10:15

to talk to humans, but feels as though he needs to

10:17

repay her act of kindness by

10:19

like introducing himself to her

10:22

and then making small talk while he's like sitting

10:25

on her countertop and she's really freaked

10:27

out. How does this resolve? I

10:29

can't. I can't do it, and now I have to make everyone

10:32

watch B move. But it's like Beauty and the B. I'm

10:34

like, can their love ever be Well, the other

10:36

thing that's interesting is at one point in the movie,

10:38

so it's Barry Benson has just graduated

10:41

from school and at some

10:43

point during the discussion, because they basically go

10:45

in the hive and they're assigned their job

10:47

roles, and he's like, I don't

10:49

want to be working this job

10:52

for the rest of my life, like turning out the honey.

10:54

I don't want to And there's like a you know, a little

10:56

like homage to the graduate where he's like floating

10:58

in the pool of honey and his parents are taught being

11:00

like, what are you going to do with the rest of your life, Barry?

11:03

And then he has like a fantasy that involves

11:05

like an exploding plane. Anyway,

11:08

but they mentioned the fact that bees

11:10

only live for like not long,

11:13

and so it's so confusing because

11:15

he's having this relationship with Renee Zellwagger

11:18

and clearly he's just gonna die, like

11:21

on their third date or something. But

11:23

I mean, the courtroom scenes,

11:25

it's a really it's a really

11:28

strange movie, and it's so strange

11:30

that it's good just because it's strange. Al

11:32

Right, Tess Lynch endorsing b

11:34

movie. Yes, But anyway, back to real bees.

11:37

Bees were dying off. Then they came back

11:39

a full year ago. This was

11:41

all this all happened. You were like, the bees

11:43

came back, and it's like where were they? And you're like, they disappeared.

11:46

They were dying and wandering around

11:48

confused. But now they're back, which

11:50

is amazing, which is kind of surprising

11:52

because I did not. When you hear something like colony

11:55

collapse, you're not like colony

11:57

is going to come back real strong, necess but

12:00

it's very encouraging. And these are bouncing

12:02

back. These are bouncing back. The bees are

12:04

back in town. The bees

12:07

are back. The bees are back

12:12

in town. Do you have a favorite

12:14

bug? Um?

12:16

Well, right now? Like bees?

12:17

Bees? Bees? Um? Also,

12:19

when you said the B expert, my friend told me about

12:22

a B expert whose name is a B Man.

12:25

He changed his name so I would come up first

12:27

under under

12:30

be looking for bees. It's a

12:32

a B man and he's

12:34

the B expert. Um.

12:36

I do like bees. I love bees. I

12:38

think they're really cool. I always would rescue

12:41

them from pools.

12:43

My question, thank you. I

12:45

also think spiders are really cool.

12:48

You know some big ones, but you're more of the bug

12:50

the bug lady. Um, what are the best bugs.

12:54

I do like a praying mantis for obvious

12:56

reasons, but also just they look the

12:58

most like aliens ants.

13:01

I've been back and forth with those guys. For sure.

13:03

There was some hanging out out front. How do you feel? You

13:06

just respect it and I live and let lift because

13:09

basically, like I think I may have actually already

13:11

talked about this on the podcast, which would be like really

13:13

embarrassing. But after I learned that ants

13:15

colonized aphids and

13:17

they farm them and then they have this system

13:20

where the aphids bring them nectar

13:22

in exchange for the ants basically like

13:24

being their bodyguards and location scouts,

13:26

I was like, I just can't spray them anymore. Wow,

13:29

you did not say that before, because I would have

13:31

been impressed. That's really cool. So what

13:33

happens is if you ever see if you're in l

13:36

a who have a citrus tree to

13:38

examine, um, you might notice what

13:40

looks like like fuzzy mold.

13:43

It kind of looks like cotton, and those

13:45

are a fits. They're like wooly a fits,

13:48

and you'll see a lot of ants next

13:50

to them. And I assumed that that was the food

13:52

chain thing, but it's not. The ants aren't

13:54

eating the aphids. The aphids stuck out

13:57

sap from the tree. Ants go up

13:59

and tap them with an antenna, which

14:01

is a signal like give me. I mean, they're

14:03

like mafia don that's so cool.

14:05

And then the ants kind of protect

14:07

them, they like lead them to the best places,

14:09

they protect them from other predators. Interdependent

14:13

species. It's interesting, right, It's so

14:15

interesting. I also this

14:17

makes me want to recommend there's a documentary

14:19

on Netflix right now about Rachel Carson. Uh,

14:23

the nature writer and all around

14:25

cool, cool lady. I think

14:27

it's American Masters Rachel Carson, and

14:30

I found it so inspiring. She's most

14:32

famous for having written Silent

14:34

Spring, but she kind of started the like seventies

14:37

environmentalism movement because

14:39

she was writing a lot about how everything

14:41

is interdependent and how this idea of like

14:43

putting man at the center of

14:46

everything is just insane

14:48

and also not how anything works

14:51

UM, and she tried to write

14:53

about DCT before anybody

14:55

wanted to talk about it about UM,

14:58

just because you invent something doesn't mean you

15:00

should use it, which is

15:02

something we think about a lot in terms of tech stuff

15:05

that not every idea that

15:08

people have that's profitable is good

15:10

for the environment or human beings.

15:13

But we've really gotten ourselves into a bad predicament

15:15

with the mosquitoes. I have our

15:19

fault. I'm saying it's our way, and also

15:21

like if they take over, that's what we deserve

15:24

a little bit. Well. Check

15:26

out the Rachel Carson documentary. I also just found it

15:28

really inspiring because it's

15:31

like she did what she had to do.

15:34

She knew that the fish were important and

15:36

she had to write a book to teach everybody.

15:39

And her book about fish became like really popular

15:41

because it was like post war and everybody was like

15:44

excited to read a relaxing book about fish.

15:47

And maybe it's during the war and that's why. Anyway, check

15:49

it out. It's a great documentary. That whole series is

15:51

good. The Walt Disney one is also amazing

15:53

and I recommend it highly. We're

16:00

gonna answer one of night calls

16:02

great mysteries, the most burning question,

16:05

the most burning question that we've had,

16:08

the ice cream truck ghost mystery

16:10

from our friend Kate. Kate

16:13

called us with a night call about

16:15

how she was getting mysterious calls from

16:18

a ice cream truck that

16:20

would say hello Hello,

16:23

a scary ice cream truck and

16:25

she didn't know why, and we

16:28

heard about it a lot. A lot of people suggested

16:31

to reply all article episode

16:34

that implied it was a scam.

16:37

We were waiting to see if we would ever find

16:39

out, and now we found out, Tess,

16:42

would you like to do the honors? I would love to. This comes

16:44

from Kate. Hey night, call per

16:46

your request. I called back and left another message

16:49

explaining what happened. Here's a backup email

16:51

in case my call cuts out again. I'm in a rural

16:53

area. Sometimes services bad. We're relying

16:55

on the email because oh right, because she called back

16:58

and it got cut off. That's why we were like, oh, we're

17:00

never going to find out. But no, okay,

17:02

go on, okay, okay, back to Kay.

17:04

The big reveal came as I was

17:06

leaving New Orleans a few weeks ago. Some

17:08

friends came over to say goodbye, and when they

17:11

said we have something to confess, I

17:13

realized immediately that they

17:15

where the ice cream truck ghost. They

17:18

would call me number blocked and hold the

17:20

phone up to this YouTube video, which she

17:22

links. I had apparently mentioned to them

17:24

in passing several months ago that I used to live

17:26

near an ice cream truck deep depot in Brooklyn,

17:29

in Bushwick, off the Morgan l

17:31

stop, so I would often hear the hello

17:34

and the songs from my window. I probably

17:36

should have placed this together, but instead I spun

17:39

out an elaborate and terrifying theory

17:41

in my head, story of my life. Anyway,

17:44

I'm relieved it was just my friends being goofy.

17:46

However, I still believe that ice that ice

17:48

cream trucks are deeply haunted. Wow.

17:52

So it was interesting. Yeah, everybody, we got

17:54

like fifteen emails or something UM

17:57

suggesting we listened to this reply All episode,

18:00

but there were differences between

18:02

what Kate had originally described and

18:04

this scam that they looked into on reply All,

18:06

which obviously is

18:08

such a good podcast and you should listen to um.

18:11

But yeah, it was it was just her friends punking

18:13

her right, which is also scary.

18:15

It is kind of scary. But it's funny that you would mention

18:18

something haunting and then forget it, because that's totally

18:20

something that I could picture. It's funny you

18:22

would forget mentioning that you lived next

18:24

to an ice cream truck depot. Yeah,

18:26

that's awesome, because that's hilarious

18:29

and awesome, but also it

18:31

makes more sense that way because it's such a specific

18:34

Brooklyn. Everybody in Brooklyn

18:36

is like, oh, yes, the ice cream truck that goes hello. I

18:40

also am glad that we got an answer.

18:42

I didn't know we were ever going to get an answer. You

18:44

never know. Thank you Kate in

18:47

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21:11

speaking of New York of the

21:13

University of New York. Yeah, it's

21:15

the twenty anniversary of the show Felicity,

21:18

Everyone's favorite sometimes

21:20

sci fi college drama. Y

21:23

wait, when was it? In Like the last two

21:25

episodes, there was like a like a time

21:27

split. They did like alternate worlds

21:29

of like if she'd gone

21:31

with Ben or if she'd picked no Let's

21:34

just start off with the heavy hitters

21:36

Ban or no Oh. In the

21:39

end, I was a nold girl, what

21:41

I know. But that was the thing is that eventually

21:44

Ben just Ben had like Ben was a

21:46

hot douchebag. He was like the blonde Jordan Catalano

21:48

a little bit, but Noel was a little bit of a Brian

21:51

crack out. He was totally a Brian crack out.

21:53

But I think you should data, but you don't want

21:55

to. Well, also, he was her resident

21:57

advisor, so there's like he was he

21:59

had that kind of like paternalistic thing

22:01

that I think is kind of gross. But then eventually they

22:03

kind of moved out of that, and I thought like he

22:06

just had a little more like pizzazz than

22:08

Ben. In the end, Yeah, Ben was very

22:10

like he has like darn catalano,

22:13

right, just like a cipher. Well, he's like, yeah, he's hotter

22:15

before you know anything about him, and you can just project

22:17

like how deep you think he might be on him? Right,

22:20

and then you talked to him and you're like, oh, maybe

22:22

not so smart? Yeah, do you think she should have

22:24

gone to Stanford? I forget even

22:26

that was the setup was like the set up. I just had

22:28

to look this up before we started, and I was like, how

22:31

did this start? It? Also, it was like Felicity

22:33

was like it's like porn

22:36

for College's like go to college,

22:38

It's so fun, and I totally

22:40

bought into it and then I did, and it was

22:42

ye, you left college. I enjoyed college, but

22:45

it also is just like living in a dorm,

22:48

like she had a Wiccan roommate, which roommate.

22:51

I mean, the most interesting thing about Felicity

22:53

in the end was that there

22:55

was the writer on Felicity who was like,

22:58

I'm nineteen years old and here's

23:00

my Felicity script and they're like, you're so great,

23:02

and she was on all of these lists, and then she was like, actually,

23:04

I'm thirty two and you're very agist.

23:07

Who thinks about that story all the

23:09

time? Oh? Who could it be who

23:13

constantly is like, is now the time to do

23:15

that? Yeah? Well, she was four ft

23:17

eleven and I think that that may have

23:19

been she also, I think was passing off her

23:22

her husband as her older brother. Okay,

23:24

that's weird, right, I mean, there was a very thought

23:26

through experiment. But props to her for exposing

23:29

the fact that as soon as she was like, actually

23:31

I'm older than I said, everyone was like, oh, then

23:33

forget it. They're like, well, we only hired

23:35

you to give us the youth voice, and

23:38

too bad you got scammed. Drifted

23:40

drifted Um. Yeah,

23:43

but she the show started because she

23:45

was going to go to Stanford and be premed,

23:48

right, and then Ben signs

23:50

for book. Hey, a graduation.

23:52

I remember thinking that was ridiculous. It's

23:55

super But it's also interesting because after

23:57

settling on college, which feels like such a huge decision,

24:00

then being like, you know, ready to go,

24:03

it would have been a very

24:05

exhilarating thing. I think you can easily

24:07

imagine if you're at that phase in your life, which

24:09

we were in high school at the time, just

24:11

being like, oh, all that work that

24:13

I did and all that decision making, I'm just gonna

24:16

like flip it over and do something else

24:18

instead. It's kind of like an intoxicating

24:20

thing because then she goes to college

24:22

and it's as if she were totally unprepared,

24:25

which obviously you are, even if you've spent a long time thinking

24:27

of what college is, because you have no

24:29

idea until you get there. Um,

24:31

but yeah, she she decided against

24:34

Stanford and went to the University

24:36

of New York. The University

24:38

of New York. What's the one in SPU Hudson

24:40

University, But you know, n YU

24:43

apparently doesn't mind being

24:45

mentioned in shows. But with Felicity, they were like,

24:47

no, no, it's the U n Y. The U n

24:49

Y. But I mean, I guess Dean and de Luca

24:52

must have let her let them use her

24:54

name a real capsule two

24:56

thousand's pre nine eleven capsule.

24:59

Well, what didn't span nine eleven? I

25:01

can't remember. Well, it was the twentieth anniversary

25:03

of the debut, which would have been ninety eight,

25:05

but it went for four seasons. Well,

25:08

I remember also that it was going to get

25:10

canceled. And did

25:13

you come to the protest? I

25:15

went with our friends Nicky

25:17

and Annie and we like skipped

25:19

skipped class to go to the save Felicity

25:22

protests at I think she

25:24

looks good with her new hairs studio?

25:27

How was it really sad and

25:29

funny? But what's what's odd? So it went

25:32

through until her graduation

25:35

correct, and maybe after

25:37

even we I mean, this has been making

25:39

me like, I haven't thought about the show in a long time. And

25:41

you were saying, you were like, I don't remember anything about

25:43

it, but I was like a fervent Oh yeah,

25:45

I remember the theme song more than

25:47

anything. Yes,

25:50

it was, and they changed it at one point. It

25:52

was a very haunting. It had like the my so called

25:54

life theme song. It was very like my so

25:57

called life, but in college, which feelings

25:59

feeling feelings, And then she

26:01

would make the recordings. To Janine Garofolo,

26:04

it was just like a fantasy about not having

26:07

to live at home with your parents anymore,

26:09

which is like very appealing when you're a teenager.

26:11

You're like, yes, my life is going to

26:13

begin. Yeah. I mean, I

26:15

like watching TV shows about New York

26:18

so much. New York has

26:20

a really good TV propaganda department

26:22

because there's so many good shows that take

26:24

place in New York that make you be like, oh, that looks

26:27

fun. But most of my friends who went to college

26:29

in New York had very mixed feelings about

26:31

that in the end. I mean, obviously, so when we

26:34

entered college that was right

26:37

before. I think a lot of people who went

26:39

to college in New York who were

26:41

freshmen in two thousand and one, there were obviously

26:43

like a lot of people left because

26:45

of that. They were like freaked out and left. I think

26:47

it's like some percentage of the class that year

26:50

just was like, Okay, don't well. In a way,

26:52

I mean, having a TV show about college

26:54

in New York kind of creates the sense of a campus

26:56

you're following. Just the characters who

26:58

are on campus send a lot of time in the dorm

27:01

rooms more than you would maybe if you

27:03

were actually attending college there. I think

27:05

a lot of people I know who went to um

27:08

N y U, I think in particular, found that it

27:10

was you know, maybe they at some point questioned,

27:13

They were like, Felicity

27:15

lied to me exactly, sold you all

27:18

good, it's going to be in a love triangle. And

27:20

J. J abrams first show. I mean, that's also what

27:23

makes it funny is to be like that was J. J Abrams

27:25

like entry into the

27:27

world of entertainment. Do you think J. J Abrams

27:29

was shocked that Felicity was like you

27:32

can imagine him like pitching all these things and then

27:34

they're just like, we'll go. We just remember because

27:36

like I read the Entertainment Weekly like TV

27:39

preview issue every fall,

27:41

you know, and that was like the buzziest show.

27:44

Felicity like this show about a

27:46

girl going to college, like everybody

27:48

wants it. I have not watched any

27:51

of the Americans at all, but

27:53

I hear she's good on it, and uh,

27:56

it seems like everybody turned out. Well that's

27:58

why I saw about the reunion post. Everybody was like, hey,

28:00

everybody looks hot from the show. You

28:02

know, here's

28:06

a little story you might not

28:08

know about a man who's

28:11

made of shadow. Hello,

28:15

women of the night. This is

28:17

not exactly a ghost story, but one about an

28:19

encounter my family had with what I recently

28:21

learned people call a shadow man. When

28:24

I was around seven years old, I hadn't experience

28:26

one night that later I thought I must have dreamt,

28:28

but didn't. In the middle of the night, my

28:30

dad, a very low key gentleman, burst

28:33

into the room I shared with my sister and told

28:35

us to get up and go across the hall to my parents

28:37

room and wait there with my mom. He got

28:40

his handgun out of the lock box he kept on

28:42

the top shelf. Then he had us close the

28:44

door and wait while he checked every room in the

28:46

house for what he was sure was a man that had broken

28:48

in. You see, my parents

28:50

were both asleep when my dad suddenly awoke

28:52

to find a figure that had the

28:54

shape of a man but no distinguishable

28:57

features standing over him with a knife

28:59

about to plunge it into his chest. He

29:02

yelled, which woke my mom and sister, and I

29:04

jumped up and began struggling with the man

29:07

for the knife. My mom also

29:09

jumped out of bed and can see my dad struggling with

29:11

what she said was a figure that looked

29:13

around the same size as my dad. My

29:15

dad thought he had a hold of its wrist, but it slipped

29:17

out of his grip and ran down the hallway towards

29:19

our living room. That's when he came and got my sister

29:22

and I. He checked every window

29:24

and door in every room for the man, but

29:26

found nothing. My dad has

29:28

passed away since then, but I recently talked to my mom

29:30

and sister about that night and now many years

29:32

ago. My parents talked a lot with

29:34

each other about the incident over the years and always puzzled

29:37

about it, and it was one of the few things that ever

29:39

happened to them that challenged their understanding

29:41

of reality. I found

29:44

out recently that many people have similar

29:46

stories, and some worry that talking

29:48

and thinking about them attract and feed

29:50

their power. That

29:52

is such a bad reveal. For the end of the scene,

29:55

you know, we're not quite done,

29:57

Sweet Dreams, she says.

29:59

I hope they're wrong, so she's

30:01

not trying to trap us. But yeah, Sweet

30:03

Dreams, thank you for writing, Jennifer.

30:06

I believe this. That is fascinating. It

30:09

is you tell me what you think, and then I'll tell you what

30:11

I think. It sounds

30:13

kind of like it was maybe a night terror. That's

30:15

what I thought too. It was sleep paralysis

30:18

and stuff, that's what I thought also immediately.

30:21

I like to be open to the idea that

30:23

this experience is accurately reflected

30:26

at the same time night terrors

30:29

and sleep paralysis. Like I could see

30:32

that, you know, he he like springs

30:34

into actions like wrestling with a person,

30:37

and you wonder, like, and then maybe that

30:40

just started, you know, this chain of events

30:42

with his wife freaking out and

30:44

believing that he's actually doing it. But doesn't

30:46

sound like have you seen those paintings

30:48

that like represent night terrors where it's a

30:51

demon sitting on your chest. You have

30:53

physical symptoms that are then misinterpreted

30:56

in your dream. I don't know exactly.

30:59

I know it's like you you feel

31:01

like you can't move and

31:03

it's very scary. Have you ever had a night ter No,

31:06

I've had really terrible nightmares, but I've never

31:08

had a nightmare, a night terror or sleep

31:10

paralysis. But they're very common in young

31:13

children. Apparently, like a lot of kids go through

31:16

um periods world, they'll have night terrors

31:18

UM and it can appear

31:21

as as dramatic and scary as a

31:23

seizure. Um, like your your

31:25

child will just start screaming, screaming. Maybe

31:27

Danny from the Shining was having night teres.

31:30

Maybe that's something that the

31:32

Shining two thirty seven ship should

31:34

look into. Um. Yeah, that's like

31:37

a super super scary

31:39

shadow man's story. Yeah. I

31:41

was thinking it was going to be more about the hat Man,

31:44

who's a ghost whose face you can't see.

31:46

There's a lot of ghosts whose faces you can't

31:48

see, which seems like the scariest

31:50

possible the faceless. Yeah. The idea

31:52

of like a faceless person. Yeah,

31:55

like a person turns around and they have no face or

31:57

you're like struggling to make out their face and you're

31:59

like, can't quite is very scary. Well,

32:01

why do you think it's so scary? Well, I mean what's

32:04

interesting here is obviously the other

32:07

family member, the mom, corroborated

32:10

the story, and then the kids

32:13

went with it because they just you're

32:15

like, yeah, sure, we're freaked out, and

32:18

they all kind of describe it as just

32:20

a dark a dark figure,

32:22

like a shadow, like a human

32:25

shadow, a three dimensional shadow. I

32:27

mean a psychiatrist might have like a

32:29

field day being like, well, that could have been your

32:32

dad's fear of his dark side.

32:34

He had wrestling, he had the gun ready

32:37

to go, so he might be paranoid

32:39

about somebody getting you know, that's

32:41

obviously his fear. Every dad's

32:44

fear that someone will come and attack your family,

32:46

and in the shining, it's that it might be you. But

32:51

this sounds I mean,

32:53

I want to say night terror, but I

32:55

also feel like, I mean, but that's the interesting

32:57

thing. He was able to spring out

32:59

of bed, so it couldn't have been the paralysis.

33:02

And you would think with a night terror that by

33:04

the time you know, he was

33:07

chasing the man to the living room, that he would

33:09

that the night terror would have ended by

33:11

then. Yeah. I mean, I think anything like that

33:13

that does undermine your sense of reality, then

33:15

that stays with you for a super long time because they're

33:17

like, oh, what if I can't trust my own

33:20

eyes? And experience speaking

33:23

of not being able to trust

33:25

your own eyes, I got

33:27

really into this Instagram account called

33:29

celeb Face, and I was telling

33:31

to us about it yesterday because it

33:34

is super nightcall e. I

33:36

think it's very in the uncanny

33:38

valley. It's run by

33:40

somebody who's like twenty or something.

33:42

They posted about how they were a real person. The other day, accounts

33:45

like this too that have a ton of followers, you're like, oh

33:47

right, or one regular person

33:49

might still be running this account that just

33:52

does this for free, presumably, although

33:54

somebody should pay them to do this because it is a

33:56

skill. They collect a celebrity

33:59

photo and compare the

34:02

candid photo to the version

34:04

that the celebrity posts on their Instagram

34:07

and then show you what they photoshopped. And

34:10

it's crazy because

34:13

a lot of people photoshop things that

34:15

you would not ever notice, and

34:19

also a lot of it's a lot about Instagram

34:21

personalities who a lot of

34:23

them have a lot of plastic surgery. But then

34:25

on top of that they are photo

34:28

shopping. The pictures um

34:30

to this like super uncanny point

34:33

and it's super weird. I mean, Molly

34:35

showed me a bunch of these pictures and what

34:37

was I found super interesting about it

34:39

is the arbitrary choices. Because

34:41

of course, you know, a lot of the choices

34:43

makes sense in terms of the beauty

34:46

standards that are being pushed of, like you

34:48

know, waste are kind of nipped in, legs

34:51

are tanned, all of that kind of stuff.

34:53

But then there are just really random choices

34:55

of like the hair, Like

34:58

you know, it's if if a woman long

35:00

hair is like walking down the street, they will

35:02

take in her hair to almost like make

35:05

her hair thinner. Just things that

35:07

that don't make sense, that reveal these

35:09

insecurities that you would

35:11

never have thought about in your life. Yeah.

35:14

Dorian st Felix most posting

35:16

yesterday about how everybody

35:19

has kind of the same plastic surgery face right

35:21

now, She's like somebody should profile perhaps

35:25

Bellahodie just denied having surgery, although

35:28

um, all of these girls have the same

35:30

face because they all

35:32

go to the same doctors and the face

35:35

is like this very specific type

35:37

of nose job that somebody described

35:40

as looking like a four leaves clover. Oh,

35:44

and you see all of these people that are famous

35:46

and sort of Instagram famous and a

35:49

lot of the new crop of models

35:51

that all have the exact same face, and

35:53

it is super weird because

35:57

it makes you question reality.

36:00

I noticed that with micro

36:02

blading it which

36:04

I am fascinated, but I didn't know what it was

36:06

until like a like a few weeks ago.

36:09

I could have talked with you about this month. I tell you what I

36:11

thought it was. Yes, I thought it was like somebody

36:14

well, you say what it is. It's like threading in little

36:16

tiny hairs to people's eyebrows.

36:18

It's tattooing your eyebrows

36:21

with a semi permanent tattoo

36:24

that each individual eyebrow

36:26

hair is tattooed on, and

36:28

it creates the look of a very full,

36:31

very bold and everybody. How's that. Well,

36:34

it's much like when you first notice,

36:36

for instance, when men start

36:38

dyeing their hair like

36:41

black, when they start going great and then they

36:43

start dyeing their hair black and they're not very

36:45

good at it yet. Like that first time that

36:47

you noticed you're like, oh,

36:49

he's dying is because you see on this library. You're

36:51

like, I see it, and then you can't unsee it. The

36:54

micro blading is the exact same thing

36:57

where you're like, wow, look at those eyebrows

37:00

and then you're like, well I see them everywhere and

37:02

they're all the same eyebrowser these like extremely

37:05

thick eyebrows. But it's creating

37:07

this this new I mean, it's just kind of, yeah,

37:09

a link between faces. I didn't realize

37:12

because because I thought it was just makeup. Because

37:14

that also came in to just like do the really

37:16

thick like the dip paint, you know, put

37:18

a lot of product or powder or whatever on the browse

37:21

to make them really thick. But I didn't

37:23

realize what micro blading was. I thought it was

37:25

like when like vanilla ice

37:27

like shaved off half aside. That's

37:30

what I thought it was. That's micro raising,

37:32

That's what I was like blading, it's like you chopped.

37:35

I don't know. I thought they like took it off and then like we're

37:37

like threading or something. I mean, I should

37:40

have looked into this more, but I think it's that they

37:42

use a very small blade to like achieve

37:44

the look of the hair. Um.

37:46

It has become so normal and I'm

37:49

so naive that when I looked at slub Face and some

37:51

of these people, when you see the before shots and you're

37:53

just like bah and some of

37:55

them are really young also, which is super freaky

37:57

because you're like your face is still changing, Like who

37:59

even knows if you'll grow into the nose,

38:01

then like your new small nose will look weird

38:04

in comparison to your like real adult

38:06

face. Uh.

38:08

Everybody has lip injections. Uh,

38:12

and everybody's photoshop their waist really small,

38:14

um, which is like a thing you

38:16

would never notice, except then when you see

38:19

it in like a hundred consecutive photographs

38:21

of like Victoria's Secret models and they all do

38:23

it, You're just like, this is crazy,

38:25

because like things have kind

38:27

of spiraled out of control a little bit. It feels

38:30

like um And in a way

38:32

I found slip face like comforting because

38:34

I was like, Wow, even these like incredibly

38:37

hot people whose job it is to be hot

38:39

professionally are so insecure

38:42

that they photoshop like their elbow

38:44

smaller. Wouldn't it also be

38:47

sad because you're kind of rewriting your own history.

38:49

And I think what's really interesting being

38:51

our age and not having a digital

38:53

archive of what we looked like.

38:55

We have like printed photos

38:57

and we can scan them or whatever, but there was no a

39:00

for your average twenty year old

39:03

whatever to like do a good

39:05

photos. We couldn't face tune ourselves,

39:07

and we weren't talking about the You had like

39:09

a spring break photo album that

39:12

we were looking through that no one will ever see,

39:15

but it's amazing. It was

39:17

a disposable camera, and I also had my cannon

39:20

test is the real spring Breakers? She

39:22

did some spring breaks. She went to Florida on spring

39:24

break in college Live and live in

39:26

the felicity lifestyle. Um,

39:29

but yeah, your photos are all candids because they

39:31

were like pre digital photography, so

39:33

they were like just whatever

39:36

you got, you got, and you didn't know how to

39:38

pose really because you

39:40

know, you there was no way to like instantly

39:42

review. I mean you could later with

39:44

like digital cameras obviously look and review,

39:47

but there the like selfie

39:49

was I now find it like because

39:52

that's the thing. It's like we didn't like learn how to take selfies

39:54

until we were adults. Uh, And it's it's

39:56

kind of like charming to me when I look

39:58

at the spring break photos, like a lot of

40:00

them are just like wildly unflattering

40:03

and funny and like you know, catching people

40:05

with like they're like their

40:07

weirdest face because you're just like,

40:09

I got to capture this moment and also I'm drunk

40:12

on spring break in Florida. Pictures, pictures,

40:14

and then you just like print them and you're like,

40:18

like these are funny. It's that's the thing

40:20

is you're just like even in like candid photos of people

40:22

post now there's still like the cutest of

40:24

the hundred candid photos you took, you

40:26

know, as opposed to like the one photo you

40:29

got of that day that everybody

40:31

looks stupid, But then you see it and you're like, oh, I

40:33

remember that day. That was funny. It's a way better.

40:35

Well, it's also a better trigger because yeah, I mean it's untouched

40:38

and and you weren't thinking about

40:40

the photo when I realized this, when

40:43

I was learning how to take selfies and stuff, and I was

40:45

like, oh, being like

40:47

like femininity is just pretending

40:50

like there's a camera on you all

40:52

the time. And like everyone I've ever known

40:54

who was good at it is like also good

40:56

at taking pictures because you

40:58

just like are always like as

41:00

though someone might take a picture and like,

41:02

you know, posing yourself in that way. And

41:05

I was like, that is exhausting. You

41:07

know, if you're an actor and you're delivering

41:09

things to camera, it can be

41:11

really difficult. In one of the ways that sometimes

41:14

you're taught to loosen up is to pretend that the camera

41:16

as a person you're in love with. What

41:19

it's pretty sorry, wait,

41:22

so when people are like, make love to

41:24

the camera, that's what they mean. I

41:26

mean. It's to be able to look into a lens

41:29

and to trust the lens as you would

41:31

trust of human you love means

41:33

that you kind of lose the self consciousness

41:36

because you assume it loves you back, right, you know,

41:38

you can tell. It's like it's interesting because like I

41:40

don't I have enough

41:42

of an opinion where I'm like that's a good model, Like that's

41:45

a bad model. Like that model looks like they're looking

41:47

at you, and that model looks like they're like dead in the

41:49

eyes. And that's the difference between

41:51

a good model and a bad one. Um.

41:54

But especially with all the models now, it is

41:56

so weird because they do all have

41:58

the same face. The one that have

42:01

that makeover all come out kind of looking

42:04

the same, and it does make you start

42:06

to really just be like, like, real faces

42:08

are so nice. Yeah, I don't know. I saw a

42:10

picture of Cindy Crawford on somebody's

42:13

uh some photographers Instagram that I followed,

42:15

but it was like an outtake where she just looked

42:18

kind of goofy, you know, and I was like, oh my

42:20

god, even Cindy Crawford is just like a regular

42:22

person. You know. Magazines have

42:24

always been photoshopped. Like I remember

42:26

the first time I saw like celebrity

42:28

Holly, you know, I saw like what an unretouched

42:31

photo of Betty Davis looked like versus like what

42:33

the Herald portrait that they put out that's

42:35

like, you know, airbrush to the Gods.

42:38

Wrapped ran a really interesting

42:41

UM series of essays a couple of weeks ago,

42:44

and one of them dealt with how um

42:47

like Dove and the campaigns that that kind

42:49

of we're all about embracing

42:52

your real beauty and not. You

42:54

know, they kind of showed some behind the scenes

42:56

like we don't photoshop, you know, photo shopping

42:58

is evil in instead of doing

43:01

something positive, instead kind of shifted

43:03

the onus in the end to women who

43:05

didn't feel like they were beautiful enough, as if they should

43:07

feel guilty for that. Well, they're

43:09

also still being like, we're going to make you insecure

43:12

in some ways so you'll buy our thing. The Dove

43:14

campaign, I think two of them that were called

43:16

out in the essay on Rack that I read. One

43:18

of them was the one where a woman had

43:20

to choose which door to walk through, the like

43:23

beautiful or average door, to reflect

43:25

how they felt about themselves, and another one where

43:27

they yes,

43:30

it does and also, you know, as

43:33

was pointed out, average it does

43:35

not mean hideous. No, that's what they're saying I

43:37

saw some of that stuff to where they're just saying, like then it's

43:39

like it's you're bad if you

43:41

can't love yourself exactly. But then if

43:44

you think about I mean, for instance, if you're not

43:46

able to shop at stores

43:48

that don't cater to your size and

43:51

then are being told that you should be able

43:53

to wear whatever you want and it's your fault

43:55

if you're not confident enough to wear them in

43:57

confidence is beauty, but they're not available to

43:59

you, you know, I mean, so it's it kind

44:01

of exposes this weird double standard where

44:03

you're doing. It's just like all the like like empowerment,

44:06

feminism, like capitalism is

44:08

still bullshit. It's not still like you need

44:10

this thing to be happy. And the idea

44:12

that a brand is looking out for your mental

44:14

brand brands don't fucking care

44:17

um but slub face.

44:19

Also, I was just like, yeah, I was like, oh, like even

44:22

the really beautiful people who

44:25

are professionally beautiful, like nobody

44:27

thinks they're hot. And if someone does think

44:29

they're hot, we like everyone thinks they're like a psycho,

44:32

you know, like you can't

44:34

win, so don't play the game.

44:37

That's what we say. Good God,

44:39

Molly, good, fud good pod. Um.

44:42

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44:44

through the B filled the B

44:46

bag, the B bag filled

44:48

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44:51

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44:53

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44:56

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44:58

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