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It's Night Side Dan Ray ONBS Boston's radio. We're going to talk about crime

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and punishment for the next couple of hours. I am furious. I'm furious,

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and I hope some of you are furious as well. Let me begin

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the nine o'clock hour and tell you we're going to talk about the never ending

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saga of the Boston bomber, the one Boston bomber who unfortunately is still alive

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his brother. This is the guy who ran over his brother during that police

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manhunt back in in twenty thirteen. I want to begin by saying that there's

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a belief in our system of justice that is justice denied, is justice delayed,

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Justice delayed? Excuse me, justice delayed is justice denied. And one

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of that sense is that when you are charged with a crime, you should

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get a fair trial, but you should also get a quick trial. In

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some countries they just keep you in jail and then they have some sort of

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a show trial. Here, you're supposed to get justice, and you know,

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particularly if you happen to be innocent of a crime, you don't want

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to sit there waiting twenty years before in jail or waiting to be tried.

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Well, it also works the other way. There's no question, I think

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in my mind and hopefully there's no question in your mind, that the two

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Boston bombers, the two brothers who came here from Dakistan, the two of

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them who were received and treated so well, and their family was treated so

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well here. They were given housing, public housing, they were given free

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education in public schools. I'm sure they were on all sorts of programs,

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and they came here from Dakistan, and the thank you that we received from

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them was the marathon bombing. And all of us know I think at this

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point that the second bomber placed a bomb in a pack in a backpack near

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the Forum restaurant on Boylston Street. That bomb killed an eight year old boy

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named Martin Richard of Dorchester and Lindsay Lu, a BU graduate student from China.

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They had made the mistake that day of wanting to watch the end of

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the Boston Marathon. By the way, Martin's sister was badly injured. His

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mom lost vision in one of her eyes. So this is a family which

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has shown tremendous grace and uh and poise over the last decade. Now his

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his his, his loser brother placed a second bomb that killed Crystal Campbell of

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Arlington UH and both of them were found guilty. Well, both of them

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engaged in the in killing Officer Sean Sean Collier at m I T. Of

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course, the brother UH was was killed during the shootout. He was run

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over by Boston Bomber two in his attempt to flee. So so this guy

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admitted at trial what he had done, so there's no question about his guilty

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or innocence. Although the same appeals court judges who tried to overturn the death

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penalty and get him a new trial on the same appeals court judges who now

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say that the federal judge, Judge George O'Toole, who's a very good judge

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and was a very good judge, one of the in my opinion, one

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of the most competent qualified federal judges here in Boston, George A. O'Toole,

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Junior. They found that there were two jurors within the jury that convicted

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him, and then the same jury that sat on the question of the death

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penalty that had a pre existing bias. I kind of imagine someone would have

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a pre existing bias towards the Boston bombers. I mean they were such swell,

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swell guys, and that they two of the jurors hid that bias.

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So now, as a result of that finding by these appellate court judges,

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who have been overturned once by the US Supreme Court, by the way,

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have now sent the case back to the federal District Court. And if not

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Judgeable, I'm not sure if Judge o'tool is still sitting or if he is retired. If he's still sitting, he has to kind of go through this

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and interview the jurors again, particularly the two jurors who apparently had tweeted something

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about the case. Whatever. Bottom line is this bottom line is this,

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the Boston bomber is still alive. Okay. Martin Richard has been dead for

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over ten years. Lindsay Lou has been dead for over ten years. Sean

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call your officer, call you has been dead for over ten years. Crystal

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Campbell has been dead for over ten years. Those four individuals, when you

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total it up at this point, they have lost a total of eleven years

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of life each of them. So forty four years and this bomb is still

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alive. If you're not going to use the death penalty and use it promptly

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on Boston bomber number two. Who are you going to use the death penalty

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on? He admitted what he did. There was overwhelming evidence to prove what

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he did. In addition to that, they were aggravating circumstances. This is

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not a guy who took a swing and a guy in a barroom fight,

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knocked the guy down and the guy hit his head and died. Now,

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this is someone who packed pressure cookers along with his big brother in order to

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inflict as much pain and suffering on innocent Americans who were just watching the marathon.

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So now he is in his he's turned thirty, he was what he

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was twenty years old at the time. And what's going to happen all these

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families, the Martin family, Martin's family, I should say, the Richard

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family, the family of Lindsay lou and the family of Crystal Campbell, and

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the family of Mit police officers, Sean, call you. They are going

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to have to go through this again. They're going to have to live through

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it. I am just besides myself, I'm a lawyer. I understand how

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the system is supposed to work. Okay, I get it. I get

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it. But what happens is you have lawyers who and by the way,

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the Biden administration has said they are not going to kill anyone else in federal

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prison, although this case is being pursued by the Biden administration Justice Department,

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to their credit, but he admitted it. There's not a sentilla of doubt

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about what he did. There's not a sentilla doubt of what pain they inflicted,

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not only on the people who died in their families, but on the

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one hundred and whatever the number was, one hundred and sixty eight people who

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suffered grievous injuries. Why is this guy still alive. He's still alive because

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you have some lawyers out there who are willing just to throw paper. And

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by the way, we will be paying those lawyers, these defense lawyers.

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And again I'm speaking as a lawyer. Okay, they can do this because

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that's the way our system is, and our system plots along and gives them

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plenty of time. And this is a case of justice delayed, justice denied.

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He deserves the death penalty, and he deserves it like tomorrow. He

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can sit in prison at super Max in Colorado. He can write letters back

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and forth to correspondence. He can meet with his lawyers, he can meet

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with friends, he can have visitors, he can watch television, he can

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exercise all of those things that his victims cannot do. And in the meantime,

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we're paying for his time in prison. Okay, well, I think

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it's long past time. And I hope that Judge O'Toole deals with this quickly.

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And I hope that the US Supreme Court overturns this as quickly as they

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overturned the first effort by these two judges. That's what I hope. And

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you know, if you disagree with me, I'd love to hear from you.

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But if you agree with me, I'd love to hear from you. Because a Judge William J. Kayata, who wrote the seventy four page ruling,

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what a waste of time, Judge Kaata, and he was joined by

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Judge O. Roserie Thompson, I'm sad to say graduated from law school.

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My law school a couple of years after me. We the world must look

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at us like we are fools. You know, last hour we talked about

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cybersecurity, and we know that there are people out there who are trying to

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take out our water systems and who are trying to poison American children. Why

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not take them out before they do it? Why not take this guy uh

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and deal with this as quickly as possible, close the case, close the

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book, and say see you later. Time to meet meet your maker.

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Why don't you explain it to whoever you you believe in? Okay you whether

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you call him by whatever name. Okay, if there's someone up there,

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you're going to have to pay for what you did. Okay. I want

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to I want to get off my soapbox, but I want to hear from

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you. It's as simple as that. Six one, seven two, four,

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ten thirty, six seven nine thirty. This was an attack by ungrateful

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people who came here. Maybe they came here with the purpose of doing significant

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harm. They certainly did. Let's let's I appeal to the Supreme Court.

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They should take this case right now, and they should deal with it next

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week and have it over with, have it over with, and put this

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guy out of I can't say his misery because he's not living a miserable life.

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He's living a very comfortable life. Join the conversation. Six month,

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seven two five four ten thirty, six months seven nine three, one,

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ten thirty. It's time for us to get a little angry. And next

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hour we're going to talk about another criminal who killed the Boston Police officer in

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Station one here in Boston. And you won't believe that story either. They

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were both. These were both in the Globe and Herald today. I hope

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you've seen it. I don't know how much coverage this guy on television. I hate to bring up bad memories, but I hope you'll join the conversation.

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Let's open up those phone lines where I'm coming back on Nightside. You're

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on Night Side with Dan ray Ibs, Boston's news Radio. What happens is

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a lot of people assume that we have a short attention span, which we

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do. We are very we have a very short attention span. And there

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are some of you who are sitting out there tonight who are agreeing with me,

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and they don't want to call because you're going to agree with me.

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You're more than welcome to call and agree with me, because I think that

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people need to hear from you. This is an abomination that this guy is

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still alive eleven years after what he did. There's no question in my mind,

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and this means that if this gets played out, this will be another

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two years he's going to live, okay, and who knows, maybe at the end of it, someone will say, well, you know, let's

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just give him the life sentence. Okay, let's give him a life sentence.

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And maybe thirty years from now, when America has changed even more,

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someone will say, well, you know, he served thirty forty years.

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I mean, he's found Jesus. He's a guy, you know he is.

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He's an impeccable record. Let's let's let him out. No, no,

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and yeah, it's time to stand up people. Let me go first,

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up to Joe and Cambridge. Joe, appreciate you taking the time to

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call you a first two nights. I go ahead, Joe, Hey,

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Dan, good, how are you well? Joe. I'm a little upset,

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and I'm a little angry at this whole situation, and I'm a little

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disappointed that my audience does not respond. I wanted these phone calls to these

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phone lines to be blazing right now, and they're not. I'm surprised I

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got right through. I couldn't believe it. I thought for sure that it

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would be a busy line. I'm I'm absolutely beside myself. I'm with you

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on this. You know, I think I think the first and probably biggest

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mistake was committed that night. And no, no disrespect or certainly no I'm

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not casting any you know, ill shadow on any of the law enforcement.

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But what I'm saying is that first mistake was that night when they when they

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when they had him in that boat, they should have just unloaded every magazine

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in every single service weapon that they had into that boat. They should have

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they should have just riddled it with bullets and just ended it right there.

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I'm sorry to sound so harsh, but I think that they would have when

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you look at this, you know, look, I would not have agreed

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with that that that night. I would have said, he's going to get

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a trial and he'll be disposed of in four or five years. But we're

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now in year well, he's he's ending eleven. He's spent eleven years when

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you do the math, April twenty thirteen, and he's probably going to live

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in another three or four. That's assuming that he doesn't get, you know,

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treated well in court. I mean, how stupid, how abjectly stupid

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are we. It's one thing to say people need to have due process.

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Is there any doubt about his crime? Is there any doubt about the fact

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that there's no question, not a scintilla of doubt about what he did?

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Is there any doubt about why he did it? What is there? What's

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the doubt? There's no doubt. Now we're talking about what does he deserve?

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You know, people out there were going to say put him iresive.

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Feather asked of his life, because that's worse than than the death penalty.

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Very few. The only one that has ever fought the death penalty, uh

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fought against the death penalty was the guy that blew up the Oklahoma Federal courthouse

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back in rave. He told his lawyers stop the appeals and he he wanted

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out. He wanted well, so speaking of math, yeah, they McVeagh,

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so, yeah, speaking of math. In twenty fifteen, CNN of

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all you know news agencies, of course, which I can't stand, actually

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came out. It was one of the journals that I was looking at,

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the Atlanta Journal Constitution, which they quoted CNN in twenty fifteen, and came

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out and basically said the SuperMac The supermacs cost approximately thirty two thousand dollars a

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year. Per prisoner sneev whatever, his name is bomb bomber number two,

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right, Yeah, the reason I'd like to call him number two, he

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is a number two. Yeah, the number two thurd guy bomber there.

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Anyway, at the time in twenty fifteen was twenty one years old. So

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now he's what, like, you know, twenty six seven, eight whatever,

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thirty thirty. So at the time of writing that article, in that

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study, CNN had said that assuming that he lives to be seventy eight years

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old, the current average which is the current average life expectancy, right,

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that's fifty seven years in prison. So it comes to one point eight two

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four million dollars to incarcerate the third bomber number two for life. And that

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doesn't even account for inflation. One point eight two four million dollars. And

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that's not even that's just a housing at the supermax. That's not counting all

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this money the tax players are going to be paying or have been paying for

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his defense ATTORNEYSS and and you know, on and on and on. You

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know, yeah, at what point, you know, and this is you

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know, to your point when you said earlier that we we really have become

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the laughing stock. You know of the world, you know, especially under

17:23

this Biden administration, between this open border, the way he's weaponized the the

17:30

d o J and all these other government agencies, and you know, and

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basically how he's defending illegals and not even count calling them illegals. You're right

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at some point, you know. By the way, the new word Joe

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is newcomers. Newcomers. Yeah, newcomers, newcomers that you know that storm

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the border gates and fences and in model they're actually Illinois. I was told

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today by someone that there's a uh I think it is at Awaiian see out

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y m c A, which of course is getting money to house these folks

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in Illinois. Uh, it says, uh the Newcomers Welcome Center. Yeah,

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Newcomers Welcome Center. There's there's there's videos. There's videos of them that

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literally admit that from Venezuela on the streets of Chicago, that that you know,

18:18

private civilians have been videoing where they're actually conducting drug deals and they're threatening

18:22

the people and then they get mad when they get confronted and they basically they

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shoot them off and tell them that they have a right to be there.

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Well, the good thing The good thing you should know is that there's a

18:33

judge in Chicago who just ruled there as a statute that says that if you're

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illegal here, or if you're a newcomer, you don't have a right to

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carry a gun because obviously you don't eat. You can't get a license to

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carry a gun if you're a newcomer. Uh. This guy was caught with

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a gun, uh, and was arrested for being, you know, in

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possession of a gun. She dismissed the charges. This judge dismissed the charges,

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of course, of course, you know. I mean, I really

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do hope the Supreme Court takes control of this. I really do hope that

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they put an end to this farce. I really do hope that they basically

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put an end to this this vermin, you know. Otherwise, you know,

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they need to take them away and make them disappear in the middle of

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the night and drop them in some you know, government black site and never

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to be seen or heard from ever again. Because I want to do it.

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I want to do it openly and honestly. There's still enough of a

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lawyer in me. I want to do it openly and honestly. But I'm

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tired of this charade of let's file more papers, let's hope that there'll be

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some judge somewhere who doesn't really care. A couple of judges. These were

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the same judges who tried to overturn the conviction back in twenty twenty. They

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were overturned themselves by the US Supreme Court six to three, and now they're

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going at it again. You know, if they have a problem with the

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death penalty, you'll go run for office and get and outlaw the federal death

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penalty. Joe, you got us going with a very strong call. I

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appreciate it very much, and I hope others will follow. Thank you,

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Joe, Fringers Cross, Thanks Dan, Thanks rock Hella, good night,

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good night. All right. I hope some of you follow with Joe's footsteps. Well you agree and disagree with me, that's fine. We need to

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talk about this, and I'm not going to ignore it. I am not

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going to ignore this because this is, in my opinion, outrageous. Justice

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delayed is justice denied, and this guy deserves justice. Boston bomber number two.

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He needs to meet his fate and he should have met it five years

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ago. I want to I am just I'm beside myself, and I hope

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you are as well. It doesn't appear that many of you feel the same

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way. But join the conversation. Nonetheless, six one, seven, two,

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five, four, ten thirty got two lines open there, which is

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ridiculous that you're if you're sitting and listening to this program and you're not picking

20:47

your phone up and sounding off whatever you believe, particularly if you believe as

20:52

I do, the folks in charge of this country need to hear it loud

20:56

and clear. We need to be done with this guy for if for nothing

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else, for the sake of the families. They should not have to go

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through anymore read any more about this guy. He should be he should be

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a forgotten individual. And I know by talking about him tonight, you're gonna

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say, well, you're talking about him tonight. But what other option do

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I have? Back on Nightside after this, It's Night Side with Dan Ray

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on w Boston's news radio. All right, back to college, go,

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let me go to Suzanne. Hi, Suzanne, thanks for calling in.

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How are you Tonna? Again? I think perhaps at this stage of a

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life, dynamists will be called newcomers. But but are you talking about the

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start. And I have brother, Yes, yeah, I call him.

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I don't use his name because I think he's a piece of garbage. And

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he is still alive. He's now in his eleventh year. Most of that

21:56

time has spent out at the Superman in Colorado. He's living a very comfortable

22:03

life. He can correspond with people, he can get phone calls, he

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can he can visit with he can find Jesus if he wants to find Jesus.

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Jesus is everywhere. He will be, as you know. Wasn't he

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sound bleeding in a boat? Yes, yes he was, Yes, yes

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he was. He was hiding shout in Watertown. Absolutely, we've got a

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good memory. I suggestion is you put in another boat, said out into

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the Pacific, and yeah, I think give him a chance at that,

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Yeah, a shark infested waters. No, I just want to see I

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just want to see him. I think the federal death penalty is administered in

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Fort Wayne, Indiana. UH, one way ticket to Fort Wayne, Indiana.

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Be over with it and let him go meet his maker. And my

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crime, my one crime, maybe more than one in my long lifetime,

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I will show a nice little hospital in Brunswick, Maine and we were in.

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All girls said the boys for them and my One of the girls had

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a pretty plush panda on her bed, and I thought it would look even

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better on my too. Okay, well, that's confession. Is good for

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the soul you've absolved in that sin Thangussan, I have a great nun.

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Good night. Let's keep rolling here. Let me go to Ben in Foxboro.

23:32

Ben, you're next time, nice siger. Right ahead, Hi Dan, how are you well. I'm a little worked up about this, As

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you probably can tell. It really bothers me. I mean, I follow

23:41

this from my job. The average person doesn't think about this. But when

23:45

I see this and I realize that these families are now going to have they're

23:48

gonna have reminders of this in the newspapers, there's something wrong with that.

23:52

In my opinion, I'm totally in agreement with you. I mean, this

23:57

guy should be gone. It's it's completely atrocious that he's so alive. I

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would bet you that he has a TV. He has access to television.

24:10

He probably has access to radio. He's able to I'm sure they have a

24:12

lovely gymnasium out there he can work out. I'm sure he has interaction with

24:17

other inmates. I mean, you gotta you got a budget, the real and we're paying for it, right, we're paying for it. And and

24:23

the families and the individuals who are still recovering from these grievous injuries, they

24:29

have to be reminded of this. Uh, there's something wrong with our system

24:33

of justice. Justice Dea is just gone from this earth. You should be

24:37

gone. Couldn't agree with you more, Ben, I mean, look,

24:41

let me just say thank you for calling in, because there is I listened

24:45

to your show a while. This is my first time. Oh we'll give

24:49

you run and applause Ben from my virtual studio audience. I want you to

24:56

come back more often. Okay, I mean that seriously. I need I

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need voices are out it because it does no good for me to sit here.

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And you know what I think. I need to know what all of

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you think. Yeah, I just I think this, But this guy should

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be gone for good. He shouldn't be breathing. He's he should have been

25:15

he should have stopped inhaling several years ago. And let's try to get back

25:21

and send him to a CIA black set. Let them do whatever they want

25:25

them to, whatever they want. Well, I you know as a lawyer,

25:30

I kind of agree with that, but I will tell you as a

25:33

citizen, if that was what it takes to get it done, I guess

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you're not the first who's made that suggestion. Ben, thanks so much for

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your call. I really appreciate you. Thank you. You have a great

25:42

thank good night. Let me go to Gail and situate. Hi, Gail,

25:45

welcome back. How are you? Hey? Damn, I laughed out

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loud on your on your last call, and with his idea with the CIA,

25:53

that was a good one. Yeah. I just wanted I just want

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it done. I want it over. There's no question about his guilt,

26:03

not a scintilla of doubt. He's admitted to it. We have videotape of

26:07

it. He was convicted and had he had very confident counsel. He had

26:12

better counsel than most young kids who find themselves in trouble with the law.

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He got the best lawyers that was available. Lost the case. Let's be

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done with them. Yes, and I listen, I don't you know.

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I'm not a harsh person. I just it just said. I think there

26:33

is I'm a believer in the death penalty, and I have to be careful

26:37

who I speak to when that topic comes up. I think the death penalty

26:42

does serve a purpose. However, this guy, I would go either way

26:48

for him, either either death penalty or keep him in jail for the rest

26:52

of his life. He should not go free. Ever, he knows,

26:56

there's no question. He let me just makee He's never going to go free.

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I mean unless he were to escape, and I don't think he's going to escape out of the supermacs. But I'm tired of paying for this bump.

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Okay, we paid for him when he came over with his with his rotten family. We put him up in free in public housing. We gave

27:12

them public education, we gave them whatever welfare, uh you know, was

27:18

available. They went to the head of the line. There's other people out

27:22

here in America who were hungry. They never were hungry. They knew how

27:26

to play the system. They probably were involved in a in another triple murder

27:30

in in Watertown, which the crime of which was never solved. This guy

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never never gave up any information at all, never said he was sorry,

27:40

never never ever. Okay, I don't believe at all that he found Jesus.

27:45

I don't believe that at all. Well, they all find Jesus.

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But but but their phony, their phony. Yeah, I mean it's like,

27:52

you know, they all find Oh, they find Allah, whoever they

27:55

want to find, they find, they find Moses, you know. But

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but this guy is a cold blooded killer. The bomb that he planted was

28:07

the bomb that took the life of the eight year old little boy from from

28:11

dortsch people. And he was heavily influenced by his older, evil brother who's

28:15

no longer breathing, thank god. Well that was his defense. That was

28:19

his defense. His his lawyer's defense was, oh, well, he was

28:22

influenced by his older brother. So therefore, you know, we got to

28:26

show him some mercy. I want to show him the same mercy that he

28:30

showed to Martin Richard and he showed to Lindsay lou This was the guy that

28:33

planted the bomb that killed Martin Richard and Lindsay luep. Oh. I agree

28:38

with you, Dan, I'd say give him the needle. Put let's get

28:41

rid of him our tax dollars of pain for his his three month meals and

28:45

his bent impossible possible college education. I don't know if he's getting it out.

28:49

Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure he'll you they all take advantage of

28:52

this. He's going to probably join a prayer group. Okay, Oh yeah,

28:56

these guys know, they know how to play the system. Cal I

28:59

love your calls, have a great weekend, and stay dry tomorrow. Okay,

29:03

you two did, Thanks Gil. I appreciate your call, and I really do. It's important, Eileen, you're next time. Nice. I

29:07

go ahead, Eileen, Hi, I've written down five things I hope I

29:14

can say. Go right ahead. First of all, I was in Birmingham,

29:21

England, uh when this happened, and I was at a conference,

29:26

and there was nothing else on the TV as much as the bombing in Boston.

29:34

This is across the Atlantic Ocean. Well, the marathons in Boston,

29:37

marathons in international events. They knew what they were doing. They know exactly

29:42

what they were doing. Go ahead, right, And you had a caller

29:48

I've called on this before. You had another caller who was in Japan and

29:53

he had heard about it. Oh yeah, And I think yeah, and

29:57

I think what these lawyers are saying is that these there's some jurors who you

30:10

know, they what they're saying. Let me tell you what they were saying,

30:15

that there's they're saying that they found a couple of jurors who may have

30:19

not disclosed their their their feelings. There's no way you could pick a jury

30:26

of twelve people or or or sixteen people with some alternates who have never heard

30:33

of the case. This was international news. Is the point you just made

30:36

so well and so particularly finding you know they tried to change your venue.

30:41

What difference would have that made? There was no need for change your venue.

30:45

This guy admitted to what he did. There's no question about his guilt

30:48

or innocence. So there were a couple of jurors who might have sent an

30:51

email or forwarded a tweet from someone, and that's what they're they're gonna basically

30:56

say, in the one hand, we have people who set bombs and killed

31:00

innocent people and named upwards of one hundred and sixty other people. But there

31:03

were two people in the jury who had tweeted about this. So therefore we

31:07

have to now we have to have another trial and whether he should get the

31:11

death penalty. That is what the judges are, These two Appella Court judges

31:15

want to have happened. I hope it doesn't happen. I hope the US

31:18

Stream Court moves in quickly and says, this case is over. O v

31:22

R. Time to go to sleep, Boston Bomber, Go ahead, go

31:26

ahead. I have two other things I wanted to say, maybe a third.

31:30

I was over in England. I was at a conference. The conference

31:37

was preempted by this crime in America, and I called home and my husband

31:47

was confined to the house. People weren't allowed to go out because they didn't

31:52

know where this guy was. Oh yeah, for several days. Well,

31:56

we were told shelter in place. You were looking in your backyard? Is

32:00

do you open your door? Yeah? Absolutely, your husband was right,

32:04

yep. And so I had planned after the conference to go to London.

32:08

I wanted to do some things in London, and on the way, I

32:14

just I decided I have to go home early. So I just I skipped

32:19

London. I went straight straight to Heathrow Airport yep, and asked if I

32:23

could possibly get a flight home early. And I was lucky enough to do

32:29

that, so I came home early. But I just one other thing.

32:36

You got to be quick for me, I think because I'm running past my break. Go ahead. You mentioned the Supreme Court. I think this should

32:44

go to the Supreme Court. Is that I mean, I don't know anything

32:46

about the law. Well, I can tell you that that two years ago

32:50

it went up to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court kicked it back

32:52

down to the Court of Appeals and said, no, this guy is guilty.

32:57

He was found guilty. It's time to end the game. So that

33:00

his lawyers came in with another another argument. They can They'll never run out

33:04

of arguments. Okay, it's as simple as that. They will extend this

33:07

for as long as they can. That's the problem with the system. There

33:12

needs to be some finality in this particular case. There was a Solicitor General

33:16

named Chiles Freed who I disagreed with. He talked about finality in cases.

33:22

He wrote a piece in nineteen ninety five, how that as cases go on

33:27

five years, ten years, fifteen years, that the case should be finalized.

33:31

No, if there was new evidence to prove this guy was innocent or

33:37

the possibility of innocence, you must always allow for that. But in this

33:39

case, where there's no question about guilt or innocence, there's no question about

33:44

the absolute criminality of what was done, overwhelming criminality. He's got to go.

33:51

Eileen, I got to go as well. So I thank you for calling once again. As always, thank you so much, Thanks Stan,

33:58

Thank you. Have a great night. Would take a break. Coming right

34:00

back, Rick and Lewis and Bob are going to get you in. I promise before ten o'clock. You stay right there if you want to join the

34:06

conversation. We're going to talk about another case after ten o'clock, which is

34:10

which pears very nicely with this case in terms of the failures of our criminal

34:15

justice system. Coming back on Nightside, It's Nightside Boston's news radio. Let's

34:23

keeper only going to go to Bob in Pennsylvania. Bobby next to Knightsiger,

34:27

right ahead, Hey Dan, Hey Bob, welcome. Hey, Yeah,

34:32

you hit a nerve with me. Tell you you know what I was thinking

34:36

about that at the other day. I'm like, what are they talking about

34:39

this guy? Bo? What you know? He did what he did?

34:43

He should be gone. I mean, he shouldn't be dead or whatever.

34:46

He should just be out of the media. He should be out of the

34:50

conversation. Well, here's the problem. If we keep him out of the

34:53

conversation, and I'm talking about it tonight, I don't mention his name,

34:57

but I call him, you know, a a piece of garbage of Boston

35:00

bomber number two. At that point, no one knows. But this guy's

35:06

still alive after eleven years and he's still in the criminal justice system. He

35:09

still has the best lawyers that our money can buy to keep filing appeals.

35:16

Well, you know, lawyers, you know, they're like a gumball machine.

35:20

You just put the money in, then you get what you get the one you want, you don't get the one you want, and you just

35:25

keep going. That's what they do. You know. Well, well it's

35:29

I'm a lawyer. I'm a lawyer, and I know the system pretty well. I believe in due process. I believe that that you give people a

35:36

fair trial, you give them benefit of the doubt. But there comes a

35:38

point in time when the guilts were proven beyond the sentilla of doubt. It's

35:44

not beyond the reasonable about it. There's not a scintilla of doubt. He's

35:47

admitted to it. We know what happened. There was videotape, we know

35:52

what happened. He didn't deny this, and it's now time to end it

35:57

because all we're doing is taking this and dredging it back up for the families

36:00

again, and they're going to have another couple of years where they know when

36:05

they get up every morning that he's still alive in Colorado in relative comfort,

36:08

and they're their family members are dead or in some cases maimed. And you

36:15

know today today you hit another one with the unibomber. You remember that guy,

36:21

he was, he was he was, you know, he was another

36:23

one that got the country all up in the room. I mean I even

36:27

think, yeah, he died. I believe he died a natural death about

36:30

six months ago, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, true, he lived

36:34

his whole life in jail after that, you know, sure. Yeah,

36:37

I got pulled over for driving a car, was driving a Dodge Diplomat,

36:43

and I got pulled over and I got pulled into the police station and they

36:45

questioned me about where I came because I had Arizona license plates on my car,

36:51

because I was out there working, and you know, I came back

36:53

home and here's this dog dimplomat that they're looking for, this guy in the

36:59

green Dodge dimple And just so happens, I had one when I was doing

37:02

elected plee and you know, even today, I had a sales receease toad

37:07

nine to eleven, and I see the lady. Look, wait you mine,

37:10

I got to buy a bag of chips. I can't have that on

37:13

my receiat you know, it's what's sterile. I got you. I got

37:16

you. Teed Kosinski, by the way, for the record, died last

37:20

June tenth, so he never got the elector, he never got put away.

37:23

He died. He lived from nineteen forty two. He lived to the

37:27

age of to the ripe age of eighty one, which is where probably this

37:30

guy would be. I got two more, Bob, I want to try

37:32

to sneak in here. Okay, thank you much, my friend. Appreciate

37:35

your call. Rick and Bill Rick had got you and Lewis Ricky, you were first, give you about a minute and a half for go ahead.

37:40

Yeah, I was shut. No problem. How you doing, Dan?

37:43

Happy Friday night, Dan. That the justice system is broken. This is

37:46

a perfect example. I'm wacky about this and irobably be the first calling to

37:52

say it. But I'm an anti death penalty guy. But he's a mass

37:55

murderer. And they were probably disappointed that they only got four people. They

38:00

intended to get a lot more, and of course they did hurt on a

38:04

couple hundred I think right, there's about one hundred and seventy people in some

38:07

of those rules were involved lose the loss of limbs. Okay, these these

38:12

are not scrapes and all that. Yeah, go ahead, No, you're

38:15

right, you're right about it all. But I just I'm wacky about it.

38:19

I'm just I've always be not whacky about it. You're not wacky at

38:22

all. You know it's time for this guy to go period. Well,

38:27

yeah, I know, I know. I just I'm an anti death penalty

38:30

guy. Of course I had never get to go up, but I know

38:34

our tax dollars. I'm very torn. He doesn't deserve it. Look when

38:37

when there's no doubt, there's not a scintilla of doubt about guilt, and

38:44

there are aggravating circumstances, find me a case which is less you're convincing.

38:51

There's none that I know of, And with this there's worse aggravating circumstances.

38:57

I got to get one more in. Rick, Thank you so much for

39:00

coming back and expressing that opinion, because you could be. You can still

39:04

be anti death penalty, but make an exception here or there, and if

39:07

you and if you don't make an exception for this guy, then you're not

39:10

going to make an exception for for anybody. Thank you, my friend,

39:14

Thank you, Rick Lewis. You got to be quick for me, Louis.

39:16

I know you've been holding on, but I got to be quick.

39:19

We're running out of top I understand, Dan. You know what, my

39:22

cousin ran the race. Uh when that happened, but she crossed the finish

39:28

line way before all that took blaze. Good for her. Now that all

39:32

this stuff is coming back to the forefront, it begs the question, like,

39:38

you know what, Uh, our criminal justice system has got to take

39:45

and uh, it's got to delivered justice, is what it's got to do,

39:52

Lewis. It's got to deliver justice. Justice and justice delayed is justice

39:57

denied. This guy deserves justice and he should go and make his meat his

40:00

maker, most importantly, because she's going to come down from what do you

40:10

call Kate Breton Nova Scotia, and she's going to run the race again.

40:15

Okay, Well, that's good for you, cousin. I'm glad that you personalized it as much as you have. Lewis. I'm not interested in personalizing

40:21

it right now. Have a great one. Lewis. Good night to the callers in the line. I'm sorry you called late. We're going to switch

40:25

topics in the next hour. Who We're also going to talk about another guy

40:30

who never should have seen the light of day, and I'll explain that case

40:35

coming up on the other side.