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It's night Side, d Ray Boston's news radio. Thanks very much to call

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Happy Monday to everybody. Uh, it's still still winter even though it's been

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been in this spring for a week now almost and it's still cold up here

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in New England, and there's hurricanes in the Midwest, and oh my goodness,

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what's going on. My name is Dan Ray. I am the host

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of Nightside, as Nicole indicated here hurt every Monday through Friday night from adam

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to midnight. Rob Brooks, the producer of Nightside, is back in the

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control room at Broadcast headquarters, the central location. I'm in an undisclosed location.

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Anyway, we are going to start off this hour with four interesting guests.

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We're going to talk later on about the cancer that has impacted Cape Middleton

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that the member of the royal family has shared such bad news last week.

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I will also talk about Powerball and Mega Millions Jack podcast going up and up

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and up. We're going to talk with a basketball coach who's just written a

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books. Name is Bill Rayner, a massive Boston guy. Why black men

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nod at each other? But first off, we're going to talk about Pete

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Rose aka Charlie Hustle the rise and fall of Pete Rose in the last glory

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days of baseball, and isn't that the truth. Keith O'Brien is the author

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of this book. Hey, Keith, welcome to Night's Out. How are you, Hey, Dan, Thanks for having me. Well, i'll tell

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you it's sort of interesting when my producer scheduled this with you. We're going

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to talk about Pete Rose, but there's another little problem going on in baseball

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right now, which is bringing up some memories of Pete Rose. We'll get

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to show Hey o'tani in a moment. But Pete Rose was I mean,

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look, I never liked what he did when he ran into Ray Fossey at

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home playing in the nineteen I think it was seventy All Star Game. I

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thought that was a little over the top. But he's been an interesting character,

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both on the field and off the field. How did you When did

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this book come out? Keyth how long has you been been out and available?

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Well? Actually, Dan, the book comes out tomorrow. It's brand new, you know, Yeah, it just like we planned it. Yeah.

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I began my research for this book back in twenty twenty one, and

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and me, really there were two reasons why I wanted to explore this story.

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First is you know, I didn't see this as a baseball story.

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You know, I saw this from the outset of the human story, where

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of course a lot of baseball happened. You know, It's an American tragedy,

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is what it is. Well, really it is. It actually has

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all the elements of a Greek tragedy. You know, it's a classic rise

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and fall. And and you know, again, whether you cheered for Pete

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Rose when he was playing in the nineteen sixties, seventies, and eighties or

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whether you didn't, it's undeniable that he is one of the most iconic,

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controversial athletes of the twentieth century. And so you know, I wanted to

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explore this story with intimate access to Pete Rose and his inner circle. I

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interviewed three different men who placed Pete Rose's bets on baseball, one hundred and

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sixty hours of interviews, documents never reviewed before. And you know the other

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reason why I wanted to do it, Dan, is you know, because

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the world has changed in the thirty five years that Pete Rose has been banned

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from baseball, and in particular it's changed in the last six years with the

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sweeping legalization of gambling. And of course, you know, as we know

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now with the Shoheo Tani news breaking since last week. You know, a

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player who's still bets on the game on baseball would face would face ramifications for

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that. But there is some cosmic irony to the world we're living in now.

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Well, even though the world has changed, and you and I today

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as non baseball you know MLB employees, we are able to bet. But

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even if you're a Major League Baseball employee or a player, a minor league

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baseball employee or a player, you count bet on baseball. I mean,

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it is the cardinal sin so roses circumstances. I have not changed as a

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result of what has happened atmospherically around him. Correct, No, it hasn't.

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It hasn't. But you know, I think undoubtedly there's a cultural shift

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that has happened. You know, in nineteen eighty nine, in order to

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wager on sports, you either needed to do one or two things. You

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needed to be in the state of Nevada, or you needed to have an

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illegal bookie. Today, in thirty eight states and the strict of Columbia,

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sports wagering is legal in many of those places. You can do it on

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your phone from the comfort of your couch. In many major league stadiums,

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you can do it at the gates of the stadium, at kiosk set up

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to wager on the game. So you know, with all of these changes,

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like many cultural changes, we absolutely think about gambling differently now than we

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did even six years ago. I don't think he's ever going to get into

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the Hall of Fame, do you. Well, you know in the book,

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Dan, I don't spend a lot of time discussing or writing about the

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Hall of Fame. I didn't write the book to make a case for or

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against the Hall of Fame. But I do think in general that you're probably

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right. However, ten years ago, nobody, including the Commissioner of Baseball,

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thought that gambling would ever be legalized, or that we would have kiosks

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outside the gates of the stadium. So you know, I have learned in

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the course of my journalism career to never say never about just about anything.

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Now. I hear you on that. I do hear you on that. Shoeless Joe Jackson's not in the Hall of Fame? Is he? He is

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not? Right now, again, that's a whole different can of worms.

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But there's a case to be made for shoeless Joe Jackson. Did you get

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a chance to talk with Rose? You'd talk with people around him? Did

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he cooperate? He did for a time, you know, for my book,

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I did obtain access to Pete Rose. I was able to conduct twenty

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seven hours of recorded interviews with p Rose, both on the phone and in

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person with him until he stopped calling me back, until he, you know,

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apparently shut down. And you know, I don't know the reason for

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that. We did not have a falling out or any such thing, you

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know, but I did push Pete you know, you know, I feel

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like for all the reasons we've discussed, you know, this is a time

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for reckoning. And you know, Pete is going to be, you know,

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eighty three years old next month. Many of the people who were around

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him in the nineteen seventies and eighties are of similar age or getting there.

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You know, this this was I felt one of the last times to try

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to speak with the people who had lived the story. Well, I can't

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wait to read the book. Did you did you think that the the unanticipated

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passing of Barchieabandi may have had made the story indifferently. I so I haven't

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read your book, so I don't know if you deal with that. You

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know, Giamatti has a heart attack and dies when Martha's vineyard on a beautiful

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Friday afternoon. I actually covered that, that passing. It was a huge

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story up here obviously, you know, Barti Giamatti was the commission of Baseball

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and former president of Yale and loved the game. I wonder if if Giamatti

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had lived, if Rose might have been treated differently. I do absolutely write

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about the passing Giamatti in the book. Giamatti is a fundamental, uh you

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know, character in this story. Uh And and his story, as as

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the stories many others, is woven into this, into this tale. You

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know, I don't know what would have happened if Giamatti had lived. No

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one does. It's it's all speculation, you know. I do think that

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if he had lived, Giamatti, who was a force of nature and was

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at his core an empathetic man, might have been able possibly to get to

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Rose and sort of crack his exterior as the years may have gone on.

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But again, that's all speculation. Dan. To me, the biggest thing

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is this you know, based on my reporting, you know, if p

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Rose had been honest with bar Gi Matti and with you know, the other

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men in baseball in nineteen eighty nine, if he had reckoned with his sins

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then instead of lying about them and then mine about them for many years,

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I do believe that, based on my reporting, that this story would have

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ended differently. Yeah, well that's that again, is all part of the

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tragedy. So the book is Charlie Hustle, The Rise and Fall of Pete

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Rose in the Last Glory Days of Baseball. And yeah, this is a

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book that I will be reading that as for sure, and I assume it's

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available on Amazon and all the fine bookstores, published by Penguin Random House.

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Thanks very much, Keith for being with us. And I just think I

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think it's a great subject, a great subject for even non baseball fans,

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and I wish you all the success with this book. It's well deserved.

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Thanks very much, Dan, I appreciate it. You're welcome. Keith O'Brien,

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the author of Charlie Hustle, The Rise and Fall of Pete Burrows in

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the Last Glory Days of Baseball. It may be a follow up story obviously

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with the story that is now breaking around sho Hey Otani. We'll see where

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that leads. When we get back, We're going to talk with a college

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basketball coach, a great player at Dartmouth, played at Catholic Memorial, Bill

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Rayner. It's written a book, Why Black Men Not at each Other.

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We'll talk with Bill and got a little bit of a sports motif going on

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here on this Monday night. We'll be back on nights Side w Easy Boston

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right after this. It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio. My next guest

11:11

is Bill Rayner. If you went to Catholic Memorial you knew he was a

11:13

great basketball player. If you went to Dartmouth College you watch him play for

11:18

the Big Green. And if you participated in basketball just about any level,

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you know who he is. Bill Rayner, Welcome to Nightside. How are

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you, sir, Ahi Dan? I'm wi you tonight? Doing great?

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The book is called Why Black Black Men Not at each Other? Some Lessons

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and Observations on life. A memoir. So I got to ask, that's

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an interesting title. It's an intriguing title sent to us by a mutual friend

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of rus Kevin McCluskey. Why do black men nod at each other. Bill

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Rayner, Well, my first answer is go buy the book and you'll find

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out. Oh yeah, that's that's the typical author now. But but no,

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it's a recognition that that you know, I had. I remember we

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were taking a trip when I was coaching in holy Cross and one of my

12:11

white players came up to me and he said, hey, coach, I

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noticed that every time black men pass each other they give each other a nod.

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What's that about? And you know, my first response was to give

12:24

him a flip and answer. But I thought about it, and I said,

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you know, it's a teachable moment, and it's just about connectivity and

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recognition and the various and sundry things that black men share with each other as

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they go through life, and when they see each other, they give that

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acknowledgment that they see that hey, I see you, I see you,

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I see what you're doing, I see I know what you've been through.

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Well, you have. You have had an extraordinary life as an athlete and

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as a teacher, molder of men, as a coach. That coaching resume

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is pretty long. You've had a number of spots. Just take off some

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of those schools. So my listeners will remember when you were coaching at some

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of these schools. Well, I've had a long journey in the coaching professor.

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Actually, I actually started coaching at Cathoitlal Memorial after I got to Dartmouth

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College, and that was what in nineteen seventy five. So from nineteen seventy

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five to twenty nineteen, I've coached in high school. I coached at Harvard

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University. I coached at Brown University. I coached at holy Cross College.

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I coached at Mass Bay College. I coached at Birmingham State University. So

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as you can see, my life has been filled with the great game of

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basketball, great game of basketball, and obviously a lot of young men who

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you've left an impact on. Think. One of the things that both of

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us strongly believe about sports, and I noticed that that you have a nice

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testimonial from our mutual friend Keith Motley, the chancell for emeritus from U Mass

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Boston, is that athletics has been way ahead in most In most instances there

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have been ugly situations, obviously, but ahead of society as a whole in

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terms of racial relations. And we only can think of you know, quickly,

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Jackie Robinson, you know, embracing the major leagues again very late.

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I mean there should have been black players playing in the in the in the

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teens, in the twenties. But Jackie Robinson, you know, you know,

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first season is nineteen forty seven, and that's seven years before Brown versus

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Board of Education tell us about why athletics are so important in terms of racial

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relations and improving racial relations. Yeah, in that regard, I'm a strong

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It's a great quote by the Nelson Mandela that says that sport has the power

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to bring people together more than any other venue that we have in our lives,

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and I believe that strongly. I think when you get a bunch of young men together, be they black, White, Brown, Chinese, whatever,

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be they Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, and you get them in the

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locker room and they get a chance to know each other, they get a

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chance to compete with each other, they get a chance to break down all

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of those barriers that maybe have been put before them, and they find out

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something very interesting. They go, oh, geez, you know what,

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We're more similar than we are different. And so sports has that magical way

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of knocking the walls down and the barriers down that separate us as people.

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Yeah, obviously, whatever sport is, whether it's you know, basketball or

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football, or baseball or hockey or soccer, whatever, particularly when you're in

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a team sport, you're relying on that guy that's out on the court,

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on the ice, in the field with you to to be successful. And

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his or his skin color if it's if it's males, or her skin color

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if it's females, doesn't matter as much as whether or not they're able to

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you know, you know, score the hoop, put the bucke in the

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net, you know, catch the football, or you'll fill the baseball's That's

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why sports is such a great Sports is such a great educational tool beyond you

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know, I think some of the lessons that people learn through competition and learn

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about themselves and learn about other people are transferable for the rest of their lives.

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You know. I have players that I've coached in high school and in

17:06

the college who you know, weren't talented enough to go on to make that

17:10

their profession, but they were able to take the lessons that they've learned by

17:15

being in a team sport and transfer that into whether they became a doctor,

17:21

lawyer, or whatever area of life they went into, they were able to

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take those team building and understanding and understanding other people, understanding people who are

17:33

maybe different than them, And that is a great life lesson. And the

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other great life lesson was to me is that no matter how good you are,

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even if you're a pro player, you come to realize that there are

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other players of different backgrounds from yours who adjust as good or better than you

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are, whether again it's in high school or college. And therefore, I

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think that in respect for other people and respect for other people's backgrounds, and

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I think that's that's part of part of what we learned playing sports, and

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I think a lot of which your book will reflect. So I hope as

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many people as possible Bill get a chance to purchase this book, Why Black

18:18

Men Nod at each Other Some Lessons and Observations on Life a memoir. Now.

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I know it's available at Amazon and places like that, but I think

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they're able to get it directly from you. Correct, Yeah, they can

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go. People can go directly to my website Reno books dot com r a

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y n O R Books dot Com and purchase the book. And if they're

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in the Boston area. This Thursday night, I'm doing a book signing at

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Crystal Ray High School in Sava Hill in Dorchester. So please, if you're

18:56

available, come by Crystal Ray on Thursday night. And uh, I think

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we started at six thirty pm and I would love to see you there.

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And I'll do a little reading and some background on the book and have a

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little Q and A session. And I assume that they can get information.

19:15

I know where Crystal Ray High School is. It's a great school. If

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they go to your website, they'll be able to get information on that event

19:25

as well. I assume, yes, give us that website more time,

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Bill in one sor give us that website. One more website is Rainer Books.

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That's R A Y n O R books dot com. Perfect. Perfect.

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Yeah, you can never just remember, you can never give the website

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often enough as far as I'm concerned. Hey, Bill, thank you very

19:48

much, appreciate it. Uh, it looks to me like it looks like

19:53

a great book and I'm looking forward to reading it. I really am.

19:56

And I'll figure it out. Okay, thanks again, thank you so much.

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You're welcome. When we get back, we're gonna change topics and we're

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gonna talk about how you can make some money, a lot of money,

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a lot of money. Gonna be talking with the executive director of the Massachusetts

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Lottery, Mark Bracken. And Uh, there's a big, big pot of

20:18

gold out there. If someone can get these numbers, we'll be back on

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night Side talking about a big, big payoff. Here a WBZ, Boston's

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News Radio. You're on the night Side with Dan Ray. I'm tell you

20:32

Boston's News Radio. Thank you very much, Nicole. Let's get to our

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next guest. He is the executive director of the Massachusetts State Lottery, Mark

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Bracken. Hey, Mark, welcome back to Nightside. How are you.

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I'm good to good to be here, Dan. So, we got a

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big jackpot if we hit the billion dollar mark. Yes, yes, we

20:56

did. One point one billion. Man. Oh, that's the that's the

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that's for the uh the Mega million jackpot tomorrow tonight. The powerball jackpot is

21:07

uh eight hundred million tonight and then tomorrow night one point one billion for the

21:12

for the Mega Wow. Uh, those numbers are They're unbelievable, unbelievable.

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Has this helped activity here in Massachusett? And we spoked you. We spoke

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with you a few weeks ago, and I think the numbers are down a

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little bit. Will we make it a little bit of a comeback here, I would hope. Yeah. Absolutely, on our draw games. Absolutely,

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it helps all of our product lines. This past week, obviously we had

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great sales in both our Mega Millions and collballs, but it also, you

21:45

know, then drives people to buy that extra ticket that maybe they may or

21:48

may not play, not just in their own game, but and then our

21:52

other games. Megabox, which is our in state jackpot d our game,

21:55

which is a little bit of a three three million right now, had its

21:57

largest sales week ever in history of Megabox. So it helps our other games

22:03

as well. When the jackpot the jackpots stuck running like this, now some

22:07

of us get a little confused. So the powerball is how many states are

22:12

involved in that work? You're competing for that one golden ticket or what hopefully

22:18

one golden ticket. How many states were involved in Powerball at this point,

22:22

so all the states are. There's actually one more jurisdiction involved in Powerball than

22:27

there is in Mega Millions, because I believe it's Puerto Rico, even though

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I'm not a state territory only participates in Powerball, and they don't participate in

22:37

So I believe it's forty five Mega Million states and forty six powerball states because

22:41

it's five states that don't have lotteries. So there are still five states that

22:48

for some and we're now we're well passed fifty year the fifty year marks and

22:55

you know, former state Treasurer Bob Crane brought the lottery on line back in

23:00

the early nineteen seventies. The five states, is that just the states are

23:04

opposed to gambling or is Yeah, so while one state is definitely not opposed

23:11

to gambling, they're just opposed to gambling competition, and that would be Nevada.

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Okay, yeah, so that the different than everyone else. And then

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I can tell you the other states. And then I can only tell you kind of anecdotally what's been told to me over the years, and I don't

23:26

know how scientists. You know, Hawaii and there's you know, it's been

23:32

told to me something about strong family values and different things like that, and

23:36

they're just not big on gambling period, you know, period that the Hawaiian

23:40

culture. Another one is Alaska does not have the lottery. And then Utah.

23:48

Yep, that's a very religious one of the states, Mormon. And

23:52

then the other state, I don't know what it is, but it is

23:56

one of the southern states, like a Mississippi Alabama one. It's it's it's

24:02

I want to say if it's yeah, it's one of those Mississigalitima Arkansas.

24:07

I'm just not sure which one is. It doesn't have the lottery, all

24:11

right, So, and the the odds on these these obviously along power Ball,

24:21

Mega Millions, Uh, Massachusetts benefits from not only people who are buying

24:29

Massachusetts lottery based games, but I assume that we also get a cut of

24:33

power Ball, and and well Mega Millions is the Massachusetts game, right,

24:37

so they're most technically Massachusetts games. Massachusetts actually is one of the directors of

24:42

the Mega Millions game. So there's eight there's nine states that are directors of

24:48

Mega Millions, and we run that separate and independent, and that really at

24:51

the end of the day, just means that these nine states get to determine

24:55

exactly what happens with the game. But we always work without Powerball states.

24:59

We call them power All states directly called Muscle for the Multi State Lottery corporation.

25:03

We work with them, so we don't obitully just hand down some edicts

25:07

that we're going to be doing something, you know, and not get feedback

25:11

from our colleagues because at the end of the day, well, every single

25:15

jurisdiction with the exception of Puerto Rico, is selling both products. So but

25:18

yes, we get we get the profit. We get a percentage of every

25:22

ticket that's sold comes into the state coffers, and then we pay out the

25:26

low tare prizes out of that, and then we pay towards the jackpot,

25:30

and it works the exact same way for both games, and every state's treated

25:34

equally. So there's a formula for every ticket sold, there's a percentage where

25:40

the state gets part of it, and then the jackpot gets part of it,

25:44

and then out of that money we pay any lower tare prize that's not

25:47

a jackpot, and then whatever is left over we take into that's where the

25:52

state makes their profit. But it's also important to emphasize whether you you know,

25:57

play the lottery or not, the Massachusetts lottery and not that still there's

26:03

a lot of money that goes back to cities and towns from the lottery and

26:08

our administrative cost would put it other way, The payout from Massachusetts is still

26:15

one of the best in the country, is I understand it. It is

26:18

actually the best in the country. So yes, like you said last year,

26:22

just shy a one point two billion in profit that the state made and

26:26

that profit got turned over to the three hundred and fifty one municipalities. Is

26:30

unrestricted local aid, and that's really just a chunk of change that the towns

26:33

get and then they get to decide how they're going to spend it. You

26:37

know, you can talk to any mayor or town conflult there and they tell

26:40

you exactly the ninety percent of them use it as a special project money,

26:45

so it's hey, we need to hire X amount of new teachers first responders.

26:49

I believe it was I'm going to say Stoughton, but I could be

26:52

wrong. It could have been evonnor Sharon. But one of those towns right

26:56

there, they took the money one year and built the Veterans Park. Our

27:03

mayor over in Waltham, you know, she was able to pay one of

27:06

the like say, seven million dollar bonding bills to their new high school with

27:11

the lottery money from that year. So a lot of them know when they

27:14

get the money like this is going to come in clutch air. And I

27:17

think we mentioned on the show before, you know, probably six or seven

27:19

years ago, we got those like ninety something inches of snow over like a

27:22

one month period, cities in towns blue to the snow and ice. But

27:26

they had this money that then was able to supplement and be able to keep

27:29

the snow and ice removal going in the cities and towns. So you know,

27:33

yes, while not everyone's a player, everyone does get to see some

27:37

sort of benefit in the terms of the local aid that is turned over.

27:41

And then you also got to remember we're keeping small businesses in business. If

27:44

you talk to any retailers, they need the lottery because they're not necessarily concerned

27:47

about the commission they make on selling the lottery, but it's driving foot traffic

27:51

into their stores, these small mom and pop convenience stores and liquor stores.

27:55

It brings that extra foot traffic into this store. So it's not just helping

27:57

out the store owners, but it's all so creating jobs and keeping people employed,

28:02

you know, So there is a trickle down effect when we're looking at the lottery, and you know, when you talk about that winter with the

28:07

ninety inches of snow. I think it was actually about one hundred. It

28:10

was the winter of twenty fourteen to fifteen. Because it was alight, we

28:15

got seared in my memory, okay, And that was the winter where we

28:18

had hardly any snow all the way up until about January twentieth, and then

28:22

it didn't stop snowing. So all of us remember that. I just want

28:26

to get past April first before I take the sticks out of my driveway,

28:30

because yeah, well i'll play I remember, and you have that date hit

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in your head. I remember nineteen ninety seven is when we had the April

28:38

Fool storm because I was a senior in high school in nineteen ninety seven and

28:42

we got the day off and we all went floating, and that's like this

28:45

random day, and I'll always remember it was April Fools Day in ninety seven.

28:48

I was working in television at that time, and I tried to there

28:53

was no way to get out the drive it was thirty inches of snow.

28:56

Left the car there and started to try to walk and I was going to

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hike. That was impossible, and eventually my news director came in his four

29:06

wheel drive truck had met me at the end of the driveway, but it

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was truly three feet of snow. And I'm not talking about drifts. I'm

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talking about three Anyone who was well, anyone who was around New England or

29:18

Massachusetts remembers the April Day, April Fool snowstorm of nineteen ninety seven and sadly,

29:25

now that's like what twenty seven years ago. Yeah, tempest fuge,

29:32

tempest huge. Right, But listen, just to kind of close out the

29:37

jackpot stuff, I just want to remind people tonight the you have until nine

29:40

fifty tonight to get your Powerball tickets to the eight hundred million dollars drawing,

29:44

and then tomorrow night to the one point one you have until ten forty five

29:48

pm. So there's still time to get your ticket. Snay, still time

29:52

Tomorrow. The Mega Millions the powerball drawing tight is the sixth lagest powerball jackpot

29:56

ever. The Mega millions jackpot tomorrow night is the eighth Lodgist Mega Million's jackpot,

30:02

and overall this jackpot is now the uh it's the eighth Logist jackpot.

30:10

I mean sorry, it's the fifth Mega millions of the fifth Logest jackpot,

30:12

the Mega millions, and overall this is the eighth logest jackpot in the history

30:15

of the US lottery. Cool. Well, I'll tell you it's I mean,

30:19

it's going to make dreams come true for one, for one, one

30:22

lucky individual. You know, multiple people could always win, or a group

30:26

of people, but you know someone's gonna win. Uh. And if it's

30:30

not tonight, maybe it's you know, maybe it's on Friday or Wednesday,

30:33

depending on public game, but you know there'll be enough number saturation given the

30:38

amount of fields that are going on nationwide that you know someone will win these

30:41

games within the next week. And it's it's it's gonna it's gonna make a

30:45

good stat to even though we're already a quarter of the way into twenty twenty

30:48

four. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Mark Bracken is always thank you much. You

30:53

are a font of very valuable information. Thanks Mark. We'll talk again.

30:57

Thank you, my friend, Thank you so much. So long. All

31:00

right, see Mark, we get back. We're going to talk about a

31:03

very serious object, and that is that Kate Middleton's announcement last week of her

31:08

cancer diagnosis. And we'll have an expert to talk to us about there may

31:15

be a little bit of a positive news here. Hopefully she will recover,

31:18

but also this might help a lot of people decide to get some early testing,

31:23

and that is the best cure for cancer, early detection, early diagnosis.

31:29

Back on Nightside right after this break, You're on night Side with Dan

31:34

Ray. I'm Boston's news Radio. I think all of us was shocked last

31:40

week when Kate Middleton, the Princess of Wales, announced that she has cancer,

31:48

didn't indicate what type. She had had some surgery in January, and

31:55

that's apparently when it was discovered. Hopefully it was this of it early enough

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that they will be able to to deal with it successfully. With us now

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is a summit rye CEO of a company called Cancer check Lab specializing in early

32:12

detection summit Welcome to Nightside. Cement. Thank you. I appreciate you having

32:20

me. Okay, if I mispronounced that it's sumet sumit, thank you.

32:23

Are you happy to be a doctor, because if you are, want to

32:27

I want to address you properly. I am not a doctor, so you

32:30

don't have to address me as a doctor. I appreciate Yeah. Well,

32:35

it's always it's always important So your company is called cancer Check Labs and you

32:43

do this work through a blood test. Uh that that people? Uh,

32:49

it's it's an it's relatively new. How long has has this type of test

32:54

been available to the public. So we made the test of available for sale

33:00

on the first of this month, so it just got released for a purchase.

33:05

The technology behind it, however, has been in development through a series

33:09

of companies over about fourteen years. And where you're a are you a Massachusetts

33:15

company? So Cancer Check Labs is based out of Dallas. However, we

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can sell tasks currently in forty four states and DC that also includes Massachusetts.

33:30

We have a technology company as well. That technology company is based in Massachusetts.

33:37

It's outside Boston and Wilburn. We have about a thirteen and a half thousand square foot lab. Okay, so is it a blood draw that is

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used or how does someone you got to go to your dot? What does

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someone have to do if they want to avail themselves of this screening? Yes,

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so it is a blood draw that is correct. And so currently because

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we just launched, our launch market is Dallas Fort Worth where anyone can get

34:04

the test to have a blood draw done at Medical City Dallas, which is

34:07

sent to our processing lab and medical district in Dallas. Those processing for Dallas

34:14

will start in July one, although the sales and bookings are available now for

34:19

the rest of the states where we can sell the test, we are going

34:22

to make processing available for blood draws at their locations in October of this year.

34:30

So what would happen is a mobile flebottomist would come to you get your

34:35

blood draw and that blood draw would be shipped to our lab in Dallas for

34:37

processing. So you have to get the approval to conduct these tests with a

34:44

flebottomist in essence making a house call it sounds like or an office visit.

34:51

So flebottomists are generally licensed or certified depending on what state they're in. So

34:57

you can partner with a number of phlebotomy company that already have licensed and or

35:01

certified for bottomans that can pull the blood at your site okay, and then

35:07

that blood can just be I've done one of these. I did one of

35:10

these a year ago on the advice of my doctor. So the blood was

35:15

drawn at the doctor's office and I got the results which were which were what

35:21

what I had hoped for. I assumed that that there are several companies now

35:28

that are at some point of getting up and running. The company that I

35:34

used that my doctor suggests, what was a company called Gallery g A L

35:38

L E R. I. I don't know if it's Gallery or Gallery,

35:42

but I assumed that that you guys at Cancer Check Labs and Gallery. And

35:47

how many other companies are doing this the same sort of technology, sument?

35:52

If if I could ask, uh, just us So the other tests that

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you're talking about, which is Gallery and there's some other ones like Cola,

36:04

Guard, et cetera. What they do is they look for something called circulating

36:08

tumor DNA CT DNA. Now, if I may back up for a second,

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explain the differences between our tests and that set of tests and why we

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believe our test is far superior. First of all, what we have developed

36:22

is a filtration technology that's what's in Boston that is able to extract and isolate

36:28

what's known as a circulating tumor cell or a CTC from your blood. So

36:35

essentially, if you have a solid tumor any solid tumor lung cancer, breast

36:38

cancer, colorectal, pancreatic, liver, bladder, brain, esophageogastric lung,

36:44

et cetera. All the organ tumors from which one hundred million people a year

36:49

suffer across the globe annually. The primary tumor itself generally does not kill you.

36:55

What kills you is the tumor sheds tumor cells that circulate through your blood

37:00

extream, known ads circulating tumor cells, the CTCs I mentioned earlier, that

37:04

spread the cancer in your body in a process known as metastasis, and the

37:07

metastatic effects are fatal. What we look for in that blood draw is to

37:13

isolate those whole, live, viable, circulating tumor cells. That is different

37:20

than all the tests that are there today, like gallery. If you look

37:23

at a circulating tumor cell, the whole cell, it is a cell.

37:28

It is a messed up, mutated, dangerous, cancerous, malignant cell,

37:31

but it's a cell. It has a nucleus, it has a genome with

37:36

the DNA sequence, it has a cytoplasm, membranes, et cetera. Usually,

37:40

when that CTC is dislodged from your primary tumor, whether that's long breast,

37:45

et cetera, whatever the case might be, typically it will go through

37:49

one of three events. A it will go through something known as cell apaptosis,

37:53

which is programmed cell death, at which point the cell will break and

37:57

fracture into bits and pieces, including its components, including the genome, which

38:01

has the DNA B. It will get eaten by your white blood cells in

38:07

your immune system, which is what they're supposed to do, which is how our immune system keeps us all from having cancer, at which point it will

38:13

again fracture the cell and its components, including the genome or CEE. We'll

38:16

go through your capillaries, where the share forces, the physical stresses will actually

38:21

fracture the cell add its components, including the genome. When any of those

38:24

events occur, and that fracture occurs, bits and pieces, scripts and scraps

38:30

of the genome start floating around your blood. Those scripts and scraps are called

38:35

circulating tumor DNA CP DNA. What all the tests like Gallery are trying to

38:40

do today, which is problematic, is take those circulating tumor DNA scripts and

38:45

scraps and extrapolate that into a result. There's a few problems with that.

38:51

Number One, I'd hate to do this to you. Assume it because I

38:54

have asked you a very complicated question. Can I get you to give me

38:58

the bottom line within thirty seconds? Guys, I'm looking at a newscast coming

39:02

down the line. Yes, what they're doing is they're trying to identify a

39:07

car by just using the bumper and the steering wheel. What we're doing is

39:10

we're getting the entire car. We get the entire cell, and we can

39:15

stay in it and hand it to a licensed pathologist to examine and determine a

39:17

result. Well they can't do that. Well, we'll have you back and

39:22

we'll talk about it, because I think this is so important for people to know. The technology is now here. People should be able to take advantage

39:29

of the technology. And we'll have you back and have a longer conversation.

39:32

But I thank you for your time tonight. And it's a very exciting technology

39:37

and I hope that a lot of people take advantage of it. How can folks get more in touch with you? Is there a website we can direct

39:43

them to? Yes, STA should go to www dot cancer checklabs dot com,

39:49

or they can follow us on social media at cancer check Labs. All

39:52

right, thank you very much, sument Ride, thank you, Answer Check

39:55

Labs, thank you so much. We went a little long Rod there.

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Sorry, but we are getting out of the way for the newscastle h