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It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Donny BZ, Boston's news radio. All

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right, welcome back. There is a huge criminal case which is about to

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start next week. Jury selection has just about been completed. And no,

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it's not the Donald Trump case, although that's the case we have talked about

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and we will talk about, I'm sure. But it's a case of a

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woman from Mansfield named Karen Reid, and I suspect many of you in the

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audience have a view of this case and an opinion. She's accused of basically

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backing up her suv as she dropped her boyfriend at the time, her then

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boyfriend, John O'Keefe, who was also a Boston Police police officer early,

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I guess, early in the morning on January twenty ninth, twenty twenty two,

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so it's a little over two years ago, and it is alleged that

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she backed her suv up and struck the boyfriend and drove home. And the

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outline of the case is that the next morning she got up early and as

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she drove back and found his body in the snow outside the home where he

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was supposed to go in to continue the party. Now there's all the facts

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of the case are going to eventually, I assume, be presented in court.

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And the issue here is her defense lawyers claim that she never hit him,

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that there was no injury, that he actually went into the house,

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and then somehow someway there was a fight in the house. It's included other

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law enforcement officers. I don't want to confuse you too much, but well,

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Jim McKay today filed a couple of reports just to give you a little

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bit of a sense of it. And then I'm going to read some comments

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that the judge made, and then we're going to open up phone calls.

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I've been asked by listeners on emails and I would say exhorted to take up

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this case. And I got to be honest with you, I'm as confused

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as anyone I actually consider in this case as a juror, because I'm interested

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in hearing the evidence and I could keep an open mind. I'm not going

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to be a juror. That's fine. I don't live in Norfolk County.

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But this is a wrap. It's kind of a preview for what's coming up

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on Monday, Rob, if you'd be so kind, Cut twenty nine.

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This is WBC's Jim McKay. Four more jurors were picked this week, but

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four more alternates still need to be selected before opening statements and the trial can

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begin at Norfolk Superior Court and Debtim and the Karen Reid case. Jury selection

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has wrapped for the week. They'll pick back up on Monday. Prospective jurors

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are being asked whether they have heard about the case and whether they have formed

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any opinion outside the courthouse. Karen Reid supporters were delta blow yesterday as the

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Supreme Judicial Court upheld a judges ruling in the case requiring they stay at least

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two hundred feet away from the Norfolk Superior Courthouse. They had previously filed an

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appeal. Jim mckawb Z Boston's News Radio. Now, what Jim is referring

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to there? And again, I know that many of you know this case,

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and please bear with me while I set it up for everyone else.

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Dozens scores of people show up every day to support Karen Reid. Now,

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I'm sure some of those are her friends, some of those might be family members, but it's an incredibly impressive turnout of people who feel invested in this

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case so much that the judge in the case. She's a superior Court.

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Judge Beverly Cononi has essentially written in order which keeps everyone. The closest anyone

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can get during the trial is two hundred feet from the front door of the

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courthouse. I can't remember a trial of this magnitude that has drawn this much

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interest. So this is Judge CONNONI yesterday quoting John Adams talking about the integrity

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of the jury system. I happen to agree with her. This is cut

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number twenty seven rob at the outset. I would like to address the issue

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of public interest in this case and the duty of this court to adhere to

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the rule of law. John Adams said that we are a government of laws,

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not of men, and that the law must be deaf to the clamoring

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of the public. He meant that while public opinion about a given subject may

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ebb and flow, the law must be steady, reliable, and even handed.

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We know that in the subject of this case, there are people advocating

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for one outcome or another with intensity, but without the benefit of having heard

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or seen any evidence at all. The law works in a different way,

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and the difference is crucial to our system of justice. The jurors selected for

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this trial will hear and judge the evidence. They will decide what the facts

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are and where the evidence is contested, they will determine where the truth lies.

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Very straightforward, I think, clear, no nonsense explanation of the order

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that she that she's filed, which has been now upheld by the State Supreme

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Court. We've had high profile cases in Massachusetts over time, There's no question

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about that. But this is one that it's been going on now for a

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couple of years and it's now going to begin for real next week, and

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there are a lot of people who are heavily invested. So if you have

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an opinion on the case, or you want to ask a question, again,

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I'm no expert on this particular case, but it seems to me that

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it seems to me that there's some real questions here. I've never seen such

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an outpouring on behalf of a criminal defendant, and maybe you could think of

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one, but I can't think of one where people showed up day after day

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after day and I don't know the truth in the case. I will tell

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you that right now. I mean, I can imagine she has she has

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good counsel, and I assume the prosecutors are doing a good job. There

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apparently is some suggestion that there is a federal investigation ongoing, uh, and

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some are drawing conclusions and speculation as to what that is. Let's just let's

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just go to the phones. Here's the number six, one, seven,

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two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three,

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one, ten thirty. Those are the two lines that are available, and

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we can get you on. All you gotta do is get going. We're

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gonna we're gonna change topics at ten o'clock. That is my intention. Again,

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there have been people who for weeks now, going back to Lost Fall,

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who were saying, oh, you got to get involved in this case,

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got to get involved in I have no interest in getting involved in it,

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but I do have an interest in talking about it. And I hope

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you joined the conversation. We'll be back on night Side right after this Night

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Side with Dan Ray. I'm you Bzy Boston's news Radio. All right,

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so we're talking about Karen read rile uh and incidentally, as the Boston Globe

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today in their editorial, the paper editorial, Karen Reid trial Buffer's own essential

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to delivering justice and fairness. Supporters health sides on the sidewalk as jury selection

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began in the Karen Reid murder trial in Norfolk Superior Court on April sixteenth.

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Boy, she's got supporters. She has supporters here the American Civil Liberties Union

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of Massachusetts waiting with a Friend of the Court brief last week raising the idea

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that a more carefully tailored order, for instance, preventing demonstrations within a certain

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number of feed or of certain entryways to be used by witnesses or potential jurors

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during certain days or hours of more than a certain decibel level, or that

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threatened the harassed witnesses of potential jurors, might suffice Guess what, ACLU.

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I think the judge was right on this. I mean, well, what

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we could have The Dozebel level could be three point four percent and nothing higher.

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What are you going to do? Then? Have a police out there? Dusselville meters. I don't know. The ACLU always seems to pick wrong

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cases these days. I don't know what happened to that organization. Let's go

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to Justin in Marlboro, justin your thoughts, your your take on this case.

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Have you followed it for a while, Yes, I've been following it

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for the past year, and well, first of all, how did you

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get into how did you happen to get interested in this case. I have

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a coworker that lives in Canton, which is where the murder took place.

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Yep, it was a big It hit home to him and they said this

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could be a big cover up. And the more evidence we see, I

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believe it is a cover up because the state police, a bonny faith looked

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like a stellar police officer, never went in. They never went in the

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house. They didn't they didn't cover the crime scene. They used sixty cups

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to blood, and they used a leaf blower. I mean everything they did

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and the state cooper misspelled four names. Please report. Yeah, I mean,

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let me ask you a question about this case. Okay, so you

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I'm sure you know more about it than I do. But I assume that the allegation is that she backed up with her suv and hit her. Now

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you know deceased boyfriend John O'Keefe with her. She was driving, I believe

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in suv. How early in the morning did that happen? Do you happen?

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And I'm just I'm just trying to fill in blanks for myself. Do you have any idea? I assume it was after midnight because apparently six six

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am is when they found And what happens is we believe it happened at two

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am. There was a famous now text message I would say, how long

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to die in the cold by one of the sister in laws. That happened

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at two thirty in the morning, one of the sisters in law, of

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whom justin Uh the police officer who owns the house by Okay, but for

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two reasons. One, no one else has been charged with anything. Uh.

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And so until you charge, and even after you charge, you enjoy,

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as Karen Reid does, the presumption of innocence. But at the same

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time, the names will kind of get things confused. I'm gonna ask you

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another question. Do you know off he and justin the the house or the

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the location of the house where the body was found around you know, six

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am in the morning when and I guess it was found by Karen Reid when

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she drove back. Am I correct on that point? Uh? Let's see,

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she two other women drove her, and Karen was the one who saw

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the body first. Okay, So what I'm saying it wasn't as someone called

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her, she came back, and I guess some would argue that that might

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have been what lawyers would call a consciousness of guilt, but maybe she just

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was concerned. We'll leave that to the jury. So here's my question.

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My question is this, there was a snowstorm going on that night. Right

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all the video I've seen looks like it was a pretty significant snowstorm, But

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it happened more later on in the day at two, Like in the morning

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wasn't as bad and they got gout versus the day went on. But the

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thing that we're talking about the snowstorm is the State Police couldn't find sail lights.

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Then as the snow went on more, the Canton Police or the I'm

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sorry, the Canton police couldn't find the tail lights in the beginning. So

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then twelve hours later, after a huge snowstorm, the State police are like,

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oh, here's the sail lights. Okay, Well, I've seen I've

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seen video. My question. Here's my question. I have seen video of

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the area where the body of Officer O'Keefe was found that next morning, and

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it looked like there was quite a bit of snow on the ground at least,

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that's my observation. Do you know was that a side street where this

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house, this house party took place justin or was it a major It's it's

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somewhat in between. It is. It's not a mainz. It's not it's

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not like sixteen. Yeah, it is a cut like it's more it's not

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a it's not an isolated road. Okay, But you know, I think

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it'll be interesting to see who's on the witness list. I mean, I

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assume if there was a snowstorm going on that night, maybe that street was

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was plowed, and maybe there'll be snowplow drivers who would be questioned about what

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they saw or when they plowed that road. Yeah, he's been the plow

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driver, had been interviewed by the FBI. Okay State Police. Yes,

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he's on the witness he's he said, he's he did not he's been a

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plow driver for thirty years. And state police said that the Canton if w

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were not plowing, they made up a company and they used another name.

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Then they found out that they that was a lie. And the fan Well

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that's it. There's a lot of inf mentioned there. Obviously from from your

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remarks, I think you're convinced that she's been framed. But let's see,

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we'll see what others have. One important they tell you go ahead. I

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got in the buffer zone. Yeah, myself and five hundred and five hundred

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and thirty people signed a petition, and a lawyer took us up and he

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filed two cases. And now it's going to be heard by this Supreme Judicial

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Court in Massachusetts and the twenty third and twenty fourth or our first for our

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first amendment rates, the Supreme Judicial Court is going to let us appeal the

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ruling. So there was the ruling from the single justice, which I believe

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came out today, which upheld the buffer zone. And you're saying that you're

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going to get a chance. Your lawyers will get a chance to argue that

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next week Monday or in or Tuesday to see you an expedited they're expediting it

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to give us. Okay, that's good to know that that's something that's information

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that's important. Justin thank you very much. Your very strong caller gave me

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a lot of information. I appreciate you taking your time. How many days

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have you actually been out? It sounds to be like you're one of those

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who have been at the courthouse every day or many days. I'm funny.

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I have been able to get time off work. But I wanted to thank

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you for your great job you did speaking at your mass boss and I know

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it's off topic, but you did a great job that night. That was

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a couple a couple of weeks ago, actually two weeks ago last night,

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celebrating philanthropy. Thanks very much. Are you a student at UMSS. Yes,

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I was the one who introduced myself. Oh now, okay, now

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I remember justin. Thank you very much for coming up and saying hello. Yeah, I did. It was great to meet you. It was pleasure

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to meet you as well. And thanks for calling tonight and keep calling. Give the call show a call any night. Thank you, Justin fight have

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a great night. We'll take a break. Six one seven, two five,

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four, ten thirty. That's one line that's open. If you want

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to get in easily, try six one seven nine thirty. I got two

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lines there. Let's keep it rolling here on night Side. We're talking about

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the Karen Reid murder case that is going to really explode into the headlines.

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It's been in the headlines for the last at least the last year on and

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off. Uh, but it goes to trial next week. Apparently they need

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to find I believe from Jim McCay's report, four more alternate jurors. But

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at this point it's it's ready to go. We'll be back on nights Side.

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Love to get your take on this, what questions you might have.

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Justin obviously has followed that case pretty closely. Coming back on Nightside. It's

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Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. We're talking about the Karen Read

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case. It's drawn a lot of attention. Let's talk to Kristin in Franklin,

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Massachusetts. Kristin, welcome, How are you tonight? Danny? Hold

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on, Dan, I'm sorry, I don't know how this works. Let

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me put you off speaker. Well you you fine. All you have to

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do is just go ahead and talk right into the phone. Go ahead,

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Kristin, Okay, Hi Dan. I am calling about pretty much the whole

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case, but the biggest thing that made me call it first, don't mind,

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will just walk up sentence heres w you're talking about the buffer zone,

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and I can tell you I'm somebody that's had to walk in the court with

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those protesters out there and that bus because those people are not that we know

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of. I don't believe many of them are originally friends of Karen's. I

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think they've become friends with hers because of a blogger who has been following the

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case sin last April, and it's been beating this information for a long time.

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Okay, so you I'm assuming, Well, let me ask you,

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are you? Are you convinced as to whether Karen Reid has been properly charged?

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Or where? Where do you? Where are you? Obviously you are.

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I want to criticize the blogger I'm not interested in really talking about,

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but I know who you're talking about, so we don't find yourself. I

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couldn't understand my question. Let me Karen rather Christen. Let me just phrase

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the question. Uh, are you familiar with the case? Very familiar,

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very familiar. Okay, let me ask you this question. I'm kind of

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interviewing, like an interview with your Do you know the parties that are involved

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here? Do you have prior friendship with either Karen or Karen Reid or John

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O'Keefe. I have prior relationship with some of the parties involved, not particularly

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John O'Keeffe. Okay, but I am familiar, very close to people on

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that side of this, Keith, sure enough, no problem, okay,

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And you're convinced that that a lot of the people who are there demonstrating in

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support of Karen Reid are relying upon information which they probably have come to believe

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that information that's not accurate. That sounds where you're coming from. Yeah,

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why do you say that? Give me an example or whatever. Just and

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now I know where you're coming from, so I want to hear exactly what

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you want to say. From When the defense started to push their new narrative

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of what they believe really happened instead of Karen causing the accident, a lot

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of that information has been said to the public and it has not been accurate

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information, and it's been consistently twisted manipulated. So many facts of this case

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have been shared and all one sided, all from the defense. All the

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information from the O'Keefe side of the prosecution side has not been shared because everyone's

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quiet until the case has happened. And so this whole narrative has gone on

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for a year and it's only been one side, and it has I think

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the judge is kind of a good, no nonsense judge just from my observation,

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I do too well. Dan, I was listening to you one night

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after the Chesna case. Is that Whatelse his last name was, And I

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remember you saying that she was a very fair judge. She was actually overly

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maybe helpful for the defense. And I when I talk about this case other

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people, I say, oh, he's a she's a good judge. She's

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a very smart woman, very smart. And she remember that that jury in

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the Chestn and the Michael Chesna case, they in the first trial and there

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has a hung jury, and then the second trial they kept sending out questions

22:18

saying that they were hung and they couldn't and she just forced them in a

22:23

good way, which a good judge will do to come to a decision.

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Obviously, if a jury is split six six, they're never gonna come to

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you know, after the liberations at six six, that's that's your that's but

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sometimes you're gonna have a jury with just one or two holdouts. And so

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yeah, she's she's she impressed me in the Chestna trial. And I suspect

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you'll do a good job here. Have you been out there? I know

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that you're not demonstrating for karenrating, but I've actually have gone to one of

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the pre trials and the people out there demonstrate they've calmed down recently, but

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they are a mob and they have yelled and screamed, and everybody walking in

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that they have said horrible things. It's very scary. It's calmer in the

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most recent weeks, but there's so many media things that have happened behind the

23:22

scenes. There's so much social media stuff happening in that side. In that

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world has said a lot. Well, I know that the blogger has been

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in big trouble on some other matters related to the issue here, So that's

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kind of like a sideshow at this point. We'll have to see how it

23:44

works out. Kristin, I appreciate you calling in because you gave a little

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bit of a different perspective, and this is your first time calling the show.

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It is I wish it was calling for a happier occasion. Well,

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there will be happier occasions going forward. We're getting sending for you from our

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digital studio audience and I will then thank you, thank you, christ appreciated.

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All right, So there's a couple of different perspectives. Let's go to

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d In Marshfield Ed your next on nightside, Go right ahead, how are

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you dan? Great? Your take on this head. I'm going to try

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to move everybody a little more quickly because we're uh, you know, I

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just take this out there. Yeah. My take on it is she's totally

24:30

innocent. I've been following for two years and there's been so many lies from

24:34

the prosecution to the grand jury, and then they tell the truth to the

24:42

federal grand jury. So that there just tells me something. Something doesn't smile,

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right, Okay, They're going to come out with some some great witnesses

24:53

the defense, and two of them are neighbors that were bitten by that dog,

25:00

and the dog owner lawyer had quoted that the dog had never attacked anybody.

25:11

They're going to have two people that were attacked testify. They're on the

25:15

witness list. Okay, well, it'll be interesting. One of one of

25:22

the witnesses is on a federal profer, which you probably could explain what a

25:27

federal profer is better than I can, because you're a lawyer and you know

25:33

about all that. Well, again, I don't know who the witnesses you're

25:37

referring to and prefer. You know, a prophet basically can is something when

25:41

the government says to someone, Okay, well we got we got you,

25:45

We think we got your dead to rights. If you'd like to try to

25:48

work a deal here and make it go a little bit easier on you,

25:53

they got to you're gonna have to give us something on someone else. So

25:56

it's you know, a little bit of a kind of a plea deal negotiation.

26:00

And also or someone has come forward and said to them, here's what

26:06

I believe I could offer you. If if I offered that to you,

26:11

is there anything you can do for me? So it's it's it is not

26:17

knowing the circumstance of it. I I don't know, but we will see.

26:22

How did you get involved in the case? You you you're characterizing her

26:25

as innocent. Do you have someone on one side of this case or other

26:30

on the other. Are you a friend with anyone or did you just this

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is a friend had told me two years ago that this was was a bogus

26:40

case and just just followed this blogger. Yeah, and you'll you'll you'll see

26:47

that. Well, the blogger himself has gotten problem as well, so his

26:52

he may be right. I don't know enough about the case, so I'm

26:56

not gonna, but I don't think he's helped. I don't think he has

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helped his credibility by he himself has found himself in in some problems with the

27:08

with the law as well. Hey, Ed, thank you very much.

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I know you called before, so I won't ask you the question because you've

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called before. And I thank you for coming coming by tonight on this.

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Thank you much. All right, take kid now, thank you. I

27:22

appreciate it. We go to Dalton Medford dot will have I think a strong

27:26

opinion one way there. Well, you know I'm the news junkie and i've

27:32

been I mean, I get the paper every day I get I get two papers. So I have followed this case because it's an interesting case. But

27:41

I have such a strong opinion that I could never be on the jury.

27:45

No problem, We're not doing a jury pool here. Just tell me what

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you think. I do think the judge is doing a very good job.

27:52

But she they were so drunk after a native drinking, which is pathetic,

28:00

and she was driving. Maybe it was an accident. I'm sure she didn't

28:06

mean to do it, but she was so drunk she didn't even remember that

28:08

she was at that house. The next and then she came back with two

28:14

friends the next day to check things out. Well, she had whacked into

28:18

him and he went down into the snow, all right, So he was

28:22

probably bitten by who knows what kind of an animal through the night. He's

28:26

a human body. I'm sure it was a raccoon or the dog or whoever.

28:33

But some animal was biting them, all right. But he was unconscious

28:37

and he died from the from the freezing conditions. But she was never should

28:44

have been on the road. She didn't know what she was doing. And

28:48

I heard that he was in the process of trying to break up with her

28:52

because he had custody of his sister's children because the sister died, so he

29:00

had custody of these young kids and he was taking care of them, and

29:04

this atrocious thing happened to him. So sad, But I think she did

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it. All this stuff about cops did it, Well, if cops did

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it in the house, they wouldn't put his body out in front of the

29:18

house, are you kidding me? They would have taken him in the woods

29:21

up billi Hampshire somewhere, you know. I mean, it's so clear she's

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guilty of hitting him and he died during the night. All right, you

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will not be a dura on the case, reasons, most of which because

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you don't live in Norfolk County. All right. God is always a very

29:41

interesting perspective, and they well interesting felicogy of previous callers because two said she

29:49

was innocent and the woman who called I liked her call, but well she

29:55

gave absolutely good. Have a great weekend. Okay, thank you, Let

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me get I'm going to get one more in here before the break. Frank

30:08

and hanging him Frank, welcome, sir, Hey Dan, your take on

30:15

this case? Yeah, my take is that everybody who's calling you has an

30:22

opinion one way or the other. In every one of those protesters on either

30:26

side, there is an idiot and he's got to get a life and up

30:32

to I'm a criminal defense lawyer. I know the lawyers, I know the

30:36

prosecutors, I know the judge. They're all tremendous at what they do.

30:40

And for anyone to say that they have an opinion as to the guilt of

30:47

innocence and to the idea that you would go out and protest, who are

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you protesting to and what are you protesting about? Before a trial it's foolishness.

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And I just I'm listening to this, just calling in. I don't

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know anything about the backs of the case other than what you shod with in

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just general theories. What I am not of where you are. But but

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here's the deal. I have stayed away from the case between you and me

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simply because I didn't want to add to the circus. But this case is

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going to trial next week, and I just felt an obligation to my audience

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tonight to to at least begin a conversation. I mean, oh yeah,

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I'm not. And you know what, it's It's entertaining because nonsense can be

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you know, people who are who are It's entertaining listening to them. Really,

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it really is people different. People are absolutely convinced. And I got

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to tell you, half my callings so far, I guess are going to

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be right, and half my calls are going to be wrong. I will

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say this, none of the any doubt about their about their beliefs exactly,

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And I'm telling them they're all idiots until the I want to hear from them

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at the end of the evidence, and I don't and I won't only want

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to hear them. People who only see the evidence that comes into trial,

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nothing in the papers, nothing about the sidebars. You come to me after

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you've sat in there and listened to all the evidence, and then you tell

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me at the end what the verdict is. What is anything right? Now?

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For somebody to have an opinion is foolishness. And I'm laughing. I'm

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laughing, And this is on both sides. I'm laughing listening to them.

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And maybe it's because I'm experience and I know no one knows as much about

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my case as I do, or the prosecutor on my case. Does I

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understand that? I do understand. But what I do here on night side

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is I give it people. I give give people a chance. Oh yeah

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no. And I'm not quarreling with that, but I'm just shutting. And

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what I'm what I'm trying to do is understand the perspective of the people who

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hold the strong viewpoints and people pretty I want and I want to know the

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people who are out there protesting do they have jobs, like like get a

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life? So you know again, I'm I'm at least glad there. I

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will say, I will agree with everything you've said so far, other than

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calling people idiots. I will also say that I like it when people are

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involved if they feel motivated. I think the problem right now is that too

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many people are are not involved. To be honest with you, no,

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but the thing is, you got to be all about the things political.

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Uh, that one thing. But when you're talking about the facts of a

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criminal case, I'm going to see that. I love it. Yeah,

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I love seeing him out there in a political issue. This is what I

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believe in. That's different than I believe in the lawyer. I understand what

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you're saying and uh. And as a reporter, I've covered many cases uh

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uh and been involved in cases where until you really, you know, spend

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the time in the courtroom, you you can have a very different opinion.

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Let me put it like that. I can't remember various cases where I started

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with an opinion as a reporter, tried to report the case accurately and honestly,

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and at the end came to the conclusion that I began with a false

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premise, but again always stayed within the guardrails. Frank, appreciate your call

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very much. I got you in before the break, but I'm a little bit late now, so I got to let you go. Thank you much.

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Keep calling the show. This is your first time calling, or you're

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a regular caller. Uh I called before, different this one. This one

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just struck me. Okay, thank you again, goodnight, take quick break,

34:39

coming right back on Nightside Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's

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news radio. All right, let's go to Joe and Boston. I'm getting

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We're tight on time, and i'd like to get everyone in. If we have to carry over, we will Joe and Boston. Hey, Joe,

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welcome, good evening down my brother. I'm gonna make get quick. I've

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been on this spectator. I have no body on this body. I have

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no dog on this fight. However, the blogger guy, I see him.

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I saw you when you were doing this ebody case. If it wasn't

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because of the blogger, this girl would have been already been jailed in this

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ebodic case. You saved those guys by this guy making noise. That's what

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happens. You fight somebody dead in the front lawn or saw anybody, you're

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not going to get the people inside to come out, essentially being a police

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officer. Yeah, yeah, no, I think you raise I think you

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raised questions. So so you're not convinced. I think that you know,

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I conducted myself differently in the Savati case, I think than the bloggers.

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No, no, no, you're right. No, No, I don't even conn you mean no, I don't know. No, I know what

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you say. I get I get the idea, Maise. Yeah, but

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these people weren't able to get him because they were railroaded. He's the same

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thing with the broker. He's being reilroaded by these politically connected people, you

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know. I mean, he's brave because you know they've been throwing the books

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at him. They make it up up. But I mean, and hopefully

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you get get catch it out and get paid down the road with the books,

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because he really put his life on the line to be honest with you, if it was all right, Joe. I loved your call as always,

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and you got it in about a minute forty five. And that's gonna get me at least one or two other people in Thanks Pal, We'll talk

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soon, Okay. I love you. I keep on listening right back,

36:45

Thanks Joe. Karen is in Watertown. Karen's gonna get you in here,

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but I'm tight on time, Karen, go ahead, Oh, I'll be

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quick. I agree with dot. I think the people who think she's innocent

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get the majority of their news via social media, and uh, you know,

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if you just look at the facts, she showed up at six o'clock.

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You know, I think she blacked out, and I think because it

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was a blizzard that night, think, thank goodness, she didn't hurt anyone

37:17

else on the road. That's what I think happened. She was over served,

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they were arguing, and it's just when the first time the story first

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came out, it just seemed as clear as day that that's what happened. And the worst she would have probably well, I don't know what the worst

37:38

charges she would have faced, but certainly d you why And I don't know,

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but it's type case as opposed to I guess she's looking at a second.

37:52

I mean, I think, I know. I think it was unintentional. She won't get sharged, she won't get convicted of seven degree murder,

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doubt that. But I just it seems like the conspiracy sprits on this,

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I'll go out on a huge limb and say a lot of them, I think it's in reaction their maga, probably type people who are supporters of Donald

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Trump, and they just see law enforcement and the legal system as something that's

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an evil force or something to be could it could be You never know how

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how you know how the political atmosphere impacts this stuff. I think you will

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find out. I guess you know. Let's see. I'll tell you this.

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The case is going to be followed very closely. This is one of

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those murder cases that has been up on the radar. I believe that some

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of the stages are going to cover it, just like they covered the oj

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trial wall to wall coverage. Well, thanks for bringing this, for including

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this tonight. Well again, I've stayed away from it because people were were

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lobbying me to do it, and I don't have a sense of it,

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to be honest with you, I noticed you were staying away from it for

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a while. And Chris, well, it's hard to avoid now right.

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It is absolutely as they say, You're going to see this covered live, almost like the old court TV used to cover these cases. Karen Love you

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calls, you've been away too long, Come on back more often. I'll

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get work a lot of evenings and then the coverage and I little in a

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basement as a ground floor apartment, and sometimes the cell coverage is terrible.

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All right, I'll give you flexibility. All right, Thanks, Karry,

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talk soon. All right, well, let's go into the next hour.

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Ellis, Chris, Leslie and Nick. You've called, We'll take you.

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That's what we do here on Nights side. The lines are full except for

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one six, one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.

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Uh. There's another subject which we might get to. But if this goes

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for an hour and a half or two hours, we will deal with because

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it's my audience who drives the train, and I said, flee. The

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program is the vehicle. Join the conversation. Will be back after this