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encounters with creeps is a series in

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which my pal Madeline Klein and I

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provide nighttime listeners a Platform to share

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their many unpleasant experiences with people they

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consider to be creeps Tonight

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Madeline and I are gonna present

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the next batch the 14th volume

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of listener contributed encounters with creeps

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We're gonna hear stories connected to hotels

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end of life care Boyfriends

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roommates and of course, we're

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gonna hear about co-workers. So let's not waste

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any time here Welcome to the next round

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of encounters with creeps Mrs.

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Madeline Klein, it's been a while. I think

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I want to see it's been like almost a

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month probably three weeks Yeah, we've had

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a busy period of time. We're back

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and we're back with something great What

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I always look forward to is our

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encounters with creeps episodes. I'm shocked that

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run volume 14 of these Which

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you know, we usually have maybe

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six or seven creep stories on

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each encounters with creeps episode I

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don't even know what seven times 14 is

1:39

but we've broke down a lot of creep stories on

1:41

this series And we just keep

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getting more and more. It's It's

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getting it is getting wild for people who

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are new to the show We're gonna have

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a lot of people listening to this volume

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14 that haven't heard the prior series Because

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I was a guest on the morbid podcast

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last week and that is like akin to

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being on I don't know Joe

2:01

Rogan for weird people and

2:03

not insane people I guess yeah, I

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like that Yeah, the good weird

2:07

people not the bad weird But

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let's for people new to the show. Let's tell them

2:12

what this is how would you describe encounters with creeps?

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I would what are we doing here? I

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would describe encounters with creeps as Just

2:22

a listener-led romp

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podcast romp yeah We've

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invited listeners across the globe to share

2:29

stories about the times that they've had

2:31

an encounter with a creep That could be

2:34

a weird co-worker a clingy online

2:37

date applicant a

2:40

weird neighbor a random encounter at

2:43

the park God forbid

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at the public pool. We've had a few of those

2:48

Well, sometimes it's like a is this

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a creep or is this a misunderstanding?

2:52

And we will be the judge and

2:55

jury if that comes up and the way

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we usually start the show is as an

2:59

appetizer We'll choose a creep

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story that has made the news in

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Canada for whatever reason and

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I got one for us tonight I think maybe

3:07

you'll have more to add to this than I

3:09

because that you may have been in a position

3:12

With a in a medical setting where you

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had to reveal like I don't know your

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some of your intimate parts for whatever reason

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I don't know if you always use female

3:21

doctors But maybe there was a time you

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had a male doctor but listen to this story and

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then tell me how you'd react to this a Family

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doctor in Toronto has been suspended

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for three months after failing to

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follow proper Protocols while examining a

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patient's breasts and making inappropriate comments

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about her body at a

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hearing held by the Ontario College of Physicians and

3:42

Surgeons in March Dr Barami

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did not contest that he engaged

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in professional misconduct Towards

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a female patient at an appointment in October of

3:51

2020 at the appointment The

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tribunal found that Barami failed

3:56

to explain a physical examination. He was about

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to conduct on his patient He

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then put his arm around her while palpitating

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her side and told her that she had

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a woman's body. Two years

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later, at another appointment with the same

4:09

patient, Barami once again engaged in inappropriate

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conduct. As he was about to perform

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a breast exam on the patient, he

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tugged on her shirt and started to

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remove it. The

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patient was not given a gown and

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draping was not used during the examination. Dr.

4:24

Barami did not offer to have a chaperone

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present and didn't give the patient privacy to

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take off her clothes and put them back

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on, the hearing discovered.

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Also during this appointment, Barami made

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inappropriate comments regarding the woman's body,

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including telling her that her body

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was perfect. And a complaint

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later, the patient said Barami's comments at

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both appointments regarding her body made her

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feel uncomfortable. While Barami has

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no prior formal disciplinary history with the

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college, the complaint in question isn't the

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first instance of concern over his

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conduct. In 2014, he was

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directed to undergo a self-directed learning

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program while practicing in Manitoba after

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he reportedly adjusted a patient's bra

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without her consent and failed to

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use proper draping. Related to the

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latest complaint, Barami's suspension will commence

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on February 1st, but

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he'll again be able to practice as of May

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1st, which is just about next

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week. But I'm interested

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to get your take on this story because you

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work in a medical setting,

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you can explain what you are and

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do. Oh, well, I am, like my

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job title is sterile processing technician, but

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I used to work in an operating

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room. So I used to work directly

5:35

with doctors, surgeons, it's

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all kind of the same. But

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like this is, I shuttered so many times when

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you were reading that. But my main

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concern is, so

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this creepo clearly just has

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no clue, he's totally out to lunch or is

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just purposely creepy, I

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don't know. But like first, what's a three month

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suspension? Yes, seriously. As if, it's like a vacay,

5:58

he's probably gonna go to his vacation. home

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and second they're like making

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him take like like

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courses. Can you really teach

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appropriateness? Like if he doesn't know

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by now. Yeah. Isn't that like

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101? Isn't

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that the first thing you learn in medical

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school? Well it is like consent and

6:20

bedside manner. That's kind of what I thought and

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when it comes to like let's say

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if you're examining a woman's breasts for whatever reason as

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a male doctor you you

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certainly have would have the wherewithal

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to understand that that's a sensitive

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thing and you're you know boundaries

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and communication and appropriateness is like

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tied for number one with like

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actually doing the health stuff. Like

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that's well you

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would think you would think that you would

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be on high alert like dot in your

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eyes crossing your teeth and the idea of

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the doctor like quickly rushing her and trying

6:54

to take her shirt off on his own.

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I don't know like I do I

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think three months suspension is ridiculous. I

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I laugh because it's so absurd this

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the idea that anyone would

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think that that's appropriate. And

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then and then the comments on top of that like

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you can't he can't even plead ignorance being

7:12

like oh like that's just

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how I you know I generally

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rate my patients and she scored a perfect

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for shape. Oh my god. Well

7:24

this this reminded me of we'll just

7:26

quickly gloss over this but few

7:29

years back in the city a doctor

7:33

named Dr. Poon he

7:36

and I'm not kidding. Why did you say his name?

7:38

What's the reference there? You

7:42

oh Poon is like a like

7:44

a slang term for

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vagina. Okay. Okay. Did you know that? Did

7:49

you just think me say that? I just I wanted to

7:51

hear you say it now you are the okay go on.

7:54

But he was ironically and

7:56

found guilt guilty of like

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sexual misconduct a doctor I

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was like I was like what are the

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odds good god didn't

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see that one coming no this

8:10

year doctor though although it's it's and

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I guess this is a good starting story

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for us because this is a boat the

8:17

level maybe a bit beyond the line of

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the creep encounters we're looking for we want

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to hear on the show and on this

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series stories that like get close to the

8:26

line but maybe don't go past it to

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become sexual assault I

8:30

think what he did is probably maybe

8:32

a little further than what we like

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to highlight oh yeah

8:37

well like I said previous like we

8:39

like to decide where on

8:41

the broad spectrum the creep

8:44

encounters fall under and a

8:46

lot of the time the creep

8:48

encounters go into predatory real

8:51

estate if you will so

8:54

yeah and that's that's predatory but yeah I

8:56

but I think there's no we don't need

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to go to the jury on this I

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think this guy is a creep oh

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I'm just waiting for more more victims

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to come forward because there's no way that's the only

9:08

woman he did that too well

9:11

let's get into it here so this

9:13

has been it's been a little over

9:16

a month since we've done a creep

9:18

encounters episode so I've been sitting on

9:20

some really good listener contributed stories of

9:22

encounters with creeps we have

9:24

them from all over the spectrum of co-workers

9:28

that are weird random encounters

9:31

we have our roommate we have a

9:33

creepy dad we have hotels we got

9:35

all sorts of things and actually we

9:38

even have someone calling just to give

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general advice for people who may encounter

9:43

with who may encounter creeps

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and I'm excited to play that one for you because

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I said because I thought like this person needs to

9:50

hang out with Madeline they're like the same energy nice

9:53

you'll see what I mean let's

9:55

start with them let's

9:57

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is a listener from Utah who

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works in end-of-care hospice and found

10:48

themselves encountering a creep. The

10:51

creep wasn't the patient, though. It's

10:53

like an in-home caregiver that lives

10:55

with the patient. Let's listen to

10:57

this one. I

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spoke too soon. I work in

11:30

hospice, which is end-of-life care. I

11:34

go into people's homes and I give them

11:36

showers and baths. I

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recently got a new patient last

11:42

week who was with a caregiver

11:44

that he pays to take care of

11:46

him. I heard that

11:48

the caregiver was kind of a strange dude,

11:50

but nothing too crazy. So

11:53

the first day I go, this guy

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tells me I have a very natural

11:57

beauty and a nourishing presence. whatever

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that means The

12:02

next time I go he tells me I

12:05

have nice style I

12:07

was wearing scrubs with a turtleneck

12:09

long-sleeved shirt underneath So

12:11

kind of felt like he was fishing to give

12:14

me a compliment But

12:16

he didn't leave it at that He told me

12:18

that a lot of women feel the need to

12:20

show a lot of nakedness to feel attractive and

12:22

that I don't I

12:25

thought that was pretty weird, but then he walked

12:27

me to the door and He

12:30

said he had to tell me something and

12:32

I needed to listen to the explanation to

12:34

understand He said to

12:36

me I am so in love

12:38

with you But

12:41

he didn't stop there. He said he didn't

12:43

love me in an inappropriate way and not

12:45

in a way He wanted to steal me

12:47

away from my husband Because

12:50

that happened to him and he wouldn't do that to someone

12:52

else He continued to say

12:54

that it's easy to find things to love

12:56

about me and it wasn't like that was

12:58

his ex-wife He had to try and find

13:00

things to love about her. I Can't

13:04

I can't even remember what I said I'm

13:07

24 and this guy Is

13:11

like somewhere in his 60s. So he's much

13:13

much older than me literally my dad's age.

13:15

I Was

13:17

just in shock That's

13:19

not the first time I've had a male at work.

13:21

Tell me they love me But

13:24

this was different and super weird

13:26

because it wasn't a patient. It

13:28

was a caregiver Anyways,

13:31

I asked my supervisor if we could go together

13:33

after that because I didn't want to be there

13:35

alone, right? So today we went together for

13:37

the first time He acted

13:39

very awkward and he went in his room when

13:41

I got there But when

13:43

we went to leave he was waiting for

13:45

us at the door wearing quote-unquote Nice

13:48

clothes He was

13:50

in slacks a button-up shirt suspenders

13:53

and a fedora and he was

13:55

in Pajamas when we had first

13:57

got there. So he changed while

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we were with our patient. Um,

14:03

so he asked if he could talk to

14:06

us about what he had said the week

14:08

before to me. And

14:10

he talked to us for almost 10

14:12

minutes explaining that some professor influenced him

14:15

to say that he loved me. Apparently

14:18

this guy tells the crowd when he speaks

14:20

that he loves them, which

14:23

I think is very different things when you're telling a

14:25

crowd and, um, a

14:27

person, like one person to their face. He

14:30

said he meant it as a compliment, but then he turned

14:32

around and said it was a joke. If

14:34

it was a joke, it was a really bad joke. My

14:37

supervisor got after him and told him that

14:39

if he made me feel uncomfortable again, I

14:41

wouldn't be going back. And

14:44

he snapped back at her and he

14:46

told her that was really, really good,

14:48

that he was on a good antidepressant.

14:50

Because if he wasn't, then he

14:53

probably would have hurt himself because he was

14:55

suicidal in the past. And so he just

14:57

felt so bad about what he said to

14:59

me. And that

15:02

made me, like, really upset because he

15:05

was making us feel guilty for his own actions.

15:08

So, yeah, that's that.

15:12

I'll keep you updated if anything

15:14

else happens, but I will be

15:16

taking Mace when I go. So,

15:19

what do you guys think? Is this guy a

15:21

creep? Thanks for listening. Bye. She

15:24

ends it with, what do you think is this guy a creep? I

15:27

don't even think I need to answer

15:29

that question. But what this guy's motivation

15:31

was is like the mystery because it

15:33

sounds like what he did was something

15:35

in between like trauma dumping and

15:38

grooming and like...

15:41

He's a therapist, is what it

15:43

sounds like. Oh, man.

15:45

And if this man is doing like end

15:47

of life in-house care,

15:49

staying with somebody, like, that is

15:51

terrifying to me. Oh,

15:54

maybe it's a good thing that she walked in there and got

15:56

it. And he's the worst kind of creep

15:58

because he... very quickly obviously

16:01

realized he's a big creep and tried

16:03

to do damage control and

16:05

then he tried to like place the

16:07

blame somehow on them Yeah,

16:10

and it's just like so you're a creep and

16:13

a narcissistic probably Sociopath

16:15

gas lighter like this guy.

16:17

Yeah all that stuff. Oh,

16:20

he knew he he was like, oh Yeah,

16:23

I did it. He never expected her to

16:25

like come with backup. So I think he

16:27

knew He like

16:29

a freaked her out or something

16:32

Something else I'd like to boast that

16:34

voicemail is I like the

16:37

like the immediate reporting like this. Yeah,

16:39

sorry It's not like in 1997. She's

16:41

like I like earlier today when I

16:43

went there with my manager. I Really

16:46

appreciate her like bringing us

16:48

along for this and maybe there'll be

16:51

updates So, you know, we've had her

16:53

for reporting and good on her supervisor

16:55

for not like sweeping under the rug

16:57

And be like, oh, it's fine. Yeah,

16:59

you know, she wanted it. That's what you

17:01

want And I wonder at the end when she said I'm

17:03

gonna bring mace next time Like

17:06

maybe it's not a bad idea. I don't know

17:08

if she was joking, but I don't know maybe

17:10

something to consider seriously Well

17:12

now I'm thinking This guy

17:14

was talking about how his wife left him. Maybe that's

17:17

why he's doing this end of life care He needed

17:19

a place to stay. Yeah. Yeah,

17:21

maybe I Don't

17:23

have to try to love you like I did my

17:25

find reasons to love you like I did my wife

17:29

Like it's saying things like this the first time you meet

17:31

someone It's like when you go

17:33

on it's like a first date with someone they just

17:35

continue to talk about their acts Yeah,

17:37

like what are you doing? And

17:39

she what it did I don't know if you

17:42

want to comment on this But she also says

17:44

like this isn't the first time someone at work

17:46

told me they loved me I could see if

17:48

you're like kind of like a caregiver nurse type

17:50

going and seeing Patients

17:52

who are maybe not With

17:55

it because of medicine or whatever health stuff they

17:57

got going on. Maybe that's a part of it,

17:59

but Would that be

18:01

a normal part of the female

18:03

experience, having co-workers? Oh yeah. I

18:07

think not so much co-workers, like although it happens,

18:09

but patient. I've heard a lot, I've got

18:11

lots of nurse friends and

18:13

they've got some good

18:15

stories. We're talking marriage proposals.

18:19

Some people try and say like, I want to

18:21

leave you my house or like put you in

18:23

my will. Well, yeah. I'd

18:26

rather that than freak me out being

18:28

a creep at the door. Oh yeah,

18:30

leave me something. Put me in your

18:32

will. Yeah, I guess we only have

18:34

to listen to prior volumes of Encounter

18:36

with Creeps and we do see how

18:38

often females become the target

18:40

of someone's affection. We've had

18:42

countless stories of customers

18:45

showing up at work with flowers and stuff.

18:47

So it's just a thing. A

18:50

lot of my friends, they

18:52

are on dating sites, Tinder,

18:54

whatever. It's kind of

18:56

a foreign concept to me because I got

18:58

with my husband just before Tinder came out.

19:01

So I've never been on these dating

19:03

sites, but I

19:05

can't believe how many, and

19:08

mind you, I'm only getting the female perspective. I

19:10

haven't really talked to any of my guy friends,

19:13

but I can't believe how many

19:15

guys will tell my

19:18

friends that they love them before we've been meeting. Like

19:21

they talk to this stranger for

19:23

a day or two and then these

19:26

guys are like, yeah, I love them. That's a bit

19:28

of a red flag. It's crazy how fast

19:31

people fall, I guess. I guess, but

19:33

I think the 60-year-old who falls in

19:35

love with the 20-year-old while she's at

19:37

work that afternoon. That's a bit

19:39

different. Let's

19:41

move on to the next one. We'll kind

19:44

of stick in sort of the theme

19:46

of co-workers because we're about to hear

19:48

about Madison's very desperate

19:50

co-worker. Here it comes.

19:53

Hi, Jordan and Madeline. This

19:55

is a submission for the Encounters of

19:57

Creep series. My name's Madeline.

20:00

I live in New Brunswick and

20:02

this is a story about a work creep that

20:05

I had when I was in high school at

20:07

a part-time job. So

20:09

I worked at a famous children's

20:11

toy store. You can probably guess which one

20:13

it is. I'm going to pause it

20:15

for a second. What could it be? My thought was

20:18

Toys R Us. What other famous children's toy stores? As

20:21

far as famous goes, I would just guess Toys

20:23

R Us and then the only other one that comes

20:25

to my mind is Mastermind. Okay, which I wouldn't

20:27

say that's famous. So I'm going to say... I'm

20:29

going to guess. I'm going to bet on Toys R Us.

20:31

But let's see what happens in Toys

20:34

R Us or equivalent. And

20:36

I worked there all year around but

20:38

at Christmas they would hire new people

20:40

just for a few months. It's Toys R Us.

20:43

So this one year, I think I was in grade 12,

20:45

I was the youngest person that worked there. Everyone else was

20:47

in their 20s. This guy

20:49

in the story I would say was also 20, 21. So

20:55

we started working there. I never talked to him

20:57

but a lot of the older girls told me

20:59

he was kind of weird and if he messaged

21:01

me on Facebook to just ignore

21:03

him or block him. Eventually

21:06

I think he did message me on Facebook

21:08

and I ignored it. A

21:11

little while later we were alone in the

21:13

staff room together and he approached

21:16

me and kind of asked me for my number.

21:19

And I told him I just don't give out my number

21:21

to people at work. When

21:24

I got awkward after that, a few

21:26

shifts later he approached me in the

21:28

warehouse section of the store. We were

21:30

alone back there. And

21:33

he said, I wrote my number on a slip of

21:35

paper for you. And he was holding

21:37

the slip of paper out to me to take.

21:40

And I just told him again, I

21:42

don't really want to be texting anyone

21:44

from work. Again

21:46

he kind of went away really awkwardly.

21:49

He had very poor social skills. I've

21:53

never talked to him more than just a quick hello.

21:56

Every shift he would say, like, please let me know

21:58

if you need help with anything at all. Then

22:02

it kind of escalated one day after work. We

22:04

both got done our shift at the same time.

22:07

He went home right away. I stayed

22:09

back for a half hour talking to a

22:12

coworker. And when I

22:15

got to my car, I look up and his car is

22:17

parked directly in front of mine and he's just

22:19

staring at me. So I speed out of

22:21

there making sure he's not following me.

22:23

Then probably the creepiest thing

22:25

that happened, it was around

22:27

Christmas. I saw a Christmas

22:29

card by my work stuff. So

22:32

I get in my car and read it. It's filled

22:34

page to page of that card with

22:36

like professing his love to me. And inside

22:39

taped to the card was a

22:41

monogrammed base pick. I

22:44

played base and I don't know how he knew

22:46

that I played base or knew what

22:48

my initials were. I don't know. So

22:51

I told my manager and they basically

22:53

put us on separate shifts.

22:56

But yeah, that was my

22:58

work creep story. And

23:00

yeah, hopefully never have to see him again. Okay,

23:03

so this is a good one to

23:05

discuss if this guy is a creep.

23:08

I think a big red flag

23:11

that points to him being a creep is

23:13

the fact that from the very beginning, she's

23:15

warned like by the other girls, if he

23:17

messages you on Facebook, you know, block him

23:20

and don't respond. He's already

23:22

kind of shown his true colors

23:24

to the others. And whoever the manager of

23:26

this place is, it should have

23:28

been dealt with before this point

23:30

if that's already kind of the

23:33

reputation around work. But maybe it didn't get to

23:35

the level that they actually complained or something. Well,

23:37

like giving someone your number, like that's just

23:39

him shooting his shots, I guess. But like

23:42

after she says no once, let it go.

23:44

You shoot it once. That's why they call it

23:46

your shot, not a shot. You

23:48

should never take multiple chant like tries

23:50

at getting a co workers number. Well,

23:52

no means no. If you have to

23:55

coerce it out of them. Well,

23:58

it not even what would you call it? he did

24:00

like I have he asks her she

24:02

says no so then he writes his

24:04

on paper and finds her like alone

24:06

in this warehouse area like I have

24:08

my number on this paper if

24:10

I wanted to text you I would have

24:13

accepted the number exchange before that

24:16

was she should have explained it to him that way oh

24:19

and also is a bass pick different

24:22

than a guitar pick you know he

24:24

often it's like a thicker heavier pick but it

24:26

but I don't want to assault her but a

24:29

true bassist uses their fingers and

24:31

bass players listening will know like some

24:33

bass players would be like a pic disgusting

24:37

well yeah I was like I don't think I've ever seen a bass

24:39

player use a pic but

24:42

that's not what we're talking about well it is though because

24:44

how does she says I don't

24:47

know how he knows that I play

24:49

bass so would that imply is the

24:51

implication that he went on her Facebook

24:53

and maybe like that was

24:55

my first thought yeah see found a picture and

24:57

like I know how I can win her heart

24:59

she will want my number when I make her

25:01

a bass pick and

25:03

consciously getting her to love me she calls

25:05

it like an entrance what did she say

25:08

like a monographic baby like I think monogram

25:10

does that mean like your initials are on

25:12

it I think so okay and then

25:14

she's like how did he get

25:17

the initials yeah what do you

25:19

think is this a creep or

25:21

just like a socially awkward fella

25:24

who's just trying to make something happen at

25:28

first he was just like a socially awkward

25:30

guy but he he quickly

25:32

tap danced

25:34

into creep territory was it the card

25:37

with the bass pick or was it

25:39

the card that had the entire insert

25:41

like covered in writing because how much

25:43

do you want to write in a

25:45

co-workers card you you get you

25:47

generally write like three lines and you try to

25:49

find some joke and

25:52

that's if you have like a rapport yeah and

25:54

if not you just write happy birthday all

25:56

the best and you only sign it because

25:58

your boss is like we're making a card for her,

26:01

it's her birthday. You're like, OK, happy birthday. But

26:03

if you have a lot to say on that

26:05

card, you may be a creep. Yeah,

26:09

especially if it's

26:12

not being reciprocated, just one

26:14

line and then it's. Yeah, for real.

26:17

I've only ever got. Try not to use the word love in that

26:19

line. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I

26:22

forgot the context of what

26:24

he was writing is professing his love

26:26

in that card. Yeah, that's definitely. Stay

26:28

on the topic of like happy birthday.

26:31

Yeah, have a good one. Yeah, I've

26:33

only ever gotten one card that was

26:35

completely filled with writing and it was

26:38

from a notorious serial killer album this

26:40

year. Oh,

26:42

that's right. He sent me a Christmas card

26:44

that was cover to cover writing. So when

26:46

I think of someone who scribbles way too

26:48

much in a card, I think you're a

26:50

creep. Oh, I

26:53

can't agree with that because I have

26:55

one specific friend, her and I have

26:57

been friends for years and years. We

26:59

always, we don't even

27:01

just exchange cards for like birthdays and

27:03

Christmas. We'll exchange cards just like for

27:05

fun. And we always try and

27:08

write each other lots of stuff at them. It's

27:11

just kind of our thing. That's

27:14

great. That's so sweet. You know? Yeah. Good

27:16

girl. Well, let's

27:18

move on. So those are our

27:20

two co-worker stories. Let's

27:22

hear about, I

27:25

got a good one. This is from Mike who

27:28

grew up in Durham, Ontario. And he

27:30

shares a story about the time he

27:32

was, I guess we can call this

27:34

sexually assaulted, by a group of 90s

27:36

ravers. Before

27:38

we hear the story though, maybe you were too young for

27:40

it. But were you involved in the rave scene at all?

27:42

Or do you even know what I'm talking about? I

27:45

was involved a little bit in

27:47

like the 2012, 13, 14 EDM scene, which

27:53

is adjacent to the

27:55

90s rave scene. Probably not nearly as

27:57

cool, but we had some good time.

28:00

Okay, I was never like

28:02

into it, but I did have

28:04

friends who were into it and I Was

28:07

like around in that period of time. I

28:09

had a couple friends I can think of

28:11

that like got deep into the all

28:13

night drug fuel dance parties Listening to

28:16

awful music like sandstorm. Do you know

28:18

what I mean by sandstorm? They get

28:20

it. Yeah, they get it. They get

28:22

it. They like that sort of thing

28:24

drinking like I don't know like a Alcohol

28:27

that has a bunch of caffeine added to it

28:29

just to help you dance all night But anyway

28:31

when I hear called ecstasy Yeah

28:33

I Remember even a time

28:35

when it was like they would bring like Soothers

28:38

or something and you'd suck on it so that

28:40

way if you took like ecstasy wouldn't grind your

28:42

teeth down while you were dancing Yeah,

28:44

but anyway, what an awful time

28:46

in society. Yeah, it was gum

28:48

in the early 2010

28:51

store 20 whatever tens.

28:53

Yeah Let's hear

28:55

about what happened to Mike and Durham and

28:57

how it involves 90s ravers I'm

29:01

excited Hello

29:04

Jordan, this is Mike. I

29:08

Am a longtime listener first time

29:10

caller. I Was

29:12

just listening to your latest encounters

29:15

with creeps episode Where

29:17

you mentioned my old hometown of

29:20

Durham, Ontario And

29:22

I do have a story Going

29:26

back to my days growing up

29:28

in that area. I was

29:30

in school high school and My

29:34

encounter with creeps. Well, it's

29:37

a bit unusual. I Was

29:42

in a I believe it was

29:44

a home economics class and I

29:49

kind of was I

29:51

joked around a lot in the class and There

29:54

were two young ladies in

29:57

the class that didn't appreciate my

29:59

sensei humor and they

30:05

I think they were kind of rave kids they had their hair

30:08

dyed green and different colors this

30:10

was like the late 90s and

30:12

anyway I was

30:14

joking around one

30:17

day and they both walked

30:19

right up to me and

30:21

spit all over me like

30:23

all over my hair

30:26

my clothes everything

30:29

and then they said how

30:32

great I'd be in in bed or

30:34

something like that and

30:36

I was just really

30:39

really upset by that obviously that

30:41

was not something I

30:44

expected anyone to do so just

30:47

just because I could I had

30:51

them wrote up for sexual harassment I was

30:53

probably the only male student

30:56

to ever do that in that school

30:58

but I didn't appreciate being

31:00

spit all over and

31:02

they got detention for that oh

31:05

yeah just thought I'd share that little story love

31:09

the show and all the

31:11

best thanks bye I

31:15

don't know if times have changed but

31:17

I feel like nowadays in this kind

31:19

of climate I feel like sexual

31:22

harassment and sexual assault wouldn't get you

31:24

detention I

31:26

hopefully would get you expelled but

31:29

spitting on someone you can get charged

31:31

for assault yeah and you should like

31:33

that and it's just so gross well

31:35

yeah absolutely gross what were these people

31:37

doing I'm trying to understand their motivation

31:39

because they there's something the way he

31:42

described that there was something he did

31:44

that they didn't like maybe to them

31:46

to them he was annoying or whatever

31:48

and I really lashing out at the

31:50

annoying guy in class or

31:52

who you perceive to be the annoying guy

31:54

but to like spit at him all over

31:56

him and then kind of talk about how

31:59

good he would be in I'm just like it's

32:01

confusing. It is.

32:03

It's just like nothing adds up here.

32:06

And it's like if

32:08

they were going for to confuse him

32:10

and just kind of rattle him, bravo.

32:13

Yeah. And I think like

32:15

going to the teacher or

32:17

whomever to have them written

32:19

up as he described it, I

32:22

would like request like a wellness check or

32:24

something. Like these people sound insane. And

32:27

then a restraining order. Yeah. Like,

32:29

yeah, get me the hell out of there. Oh,

32:32

that's so weird. Is

32:34

this like, is this creep behavior?

32:37

I don't know how I don't know

32:39

if it's creepy as it is just

32:41

like bizarre. As

32:43

soon as they mentioned how good he would

32:45

be in bed, they got creepy. Yeah,

32:48

that is creepy. But I, I almost

32:50

feel like they did that probably

32:52

because they could sense like it would be

32:54

shocking and upsetting for him. Shock

32:56

value. Yeah, it's like they wanted to get him.

32:58

So they like spit at him and then they

33:01

like just got graphic and dirty with him. So

33:03

now I need more information about what

33:05

his jokes were. He said they didn't

33:07

appreciate my humor. What

33:10

about your humor did they not appreciate? Are

33:12

you suggesting there's two sides to this story? There

33:15

could be. It was the humor like,

33:18

did it have underlying like

33:21

misogyny? It doesn't make

33:23

what they did right. But I need to

33:25

know why they didn't appreciate his humor and

33:27

why they retaliated with that. That

33:29

specifically. Yeah. Yeah, I

33:32

think this is a story that would need. We'd

33:34

need a bit more information on

33:36

what exactly he did because their

33:38

motivation is with

33:40

what we know is confusing and

33:42

illogical. Right. Like we're just

33:45

we're just trying to get onto how they're

33:47

thinking. Well, I think we're doing journalism is

33:49

what we're doing. Oh, that's correct. Yes.

33:52

I'm not ready to say like

33:54

I'm saying what they

33:56

did is dumb and crazy.

34:00

criminal, I would suggest. Oh, yeah.

34:02

Well, it is because spitting in someone's face or whatever is... And

34:05

he's described it as spit all over him.

34:07

Certainly that's assault. And just so

34:09

gross. It is so

34:12

gross. Someone else's spit. No, thank you. Nancy.

34:15

Since we're on the theme

34:17

of like overtly discussing

34:19

having sex with someone as they did

34:21

to him, let's move

34:23

on to another one. I'm going to

34:26

call this story, My Boyfriend's Erect Roommate.

34:29

Oh, no. Here

34:33

we go. Should be the name of a movie. It

34:37

probably is. Oh,

34:40

yeah. I don't write movies like that.

34:44

Here we go. Hi, Jordan and Madeline.

34:47

I just wanted to share my creep story with

34:49

you from working in the

34:51

bar for years. I've got a million

34:54

of them. But they're all

34:56

kind of the same old,

34:58

same old, same old. This one's

35:00

a little different, though. Prior to meeting

35:02

my husband, I was dating a guy that lived in

35:05

the next city over. So I had to travel

35:07

to see him. And he

35:09

worked early mornings and I worked late nights. So

35:12

I would usually just stay over

35:14

and he would leave for work. And

35:16

when I was ready to go, I would

35:18

just head out and lock the

35:21

door and off we go. One

35:23

morning as I

35:25

was sleeping, his roommate knocked on the door.

35:29

And he, I

35:31

opened the door and he says to me exactly

35:34

like, I'm not using different

35:36

language. Nothing. This is

35:39

exactly what he said to me. Hi,

35:42

I have had an erection for

35:44

four hours. Can you help me? So

35:48

no, that is no, no, no, no.

35:51

I have never left there so fast.

35:54

And that should have been my first red flag

35:57

to leave the bar. relationship.

36:02

But I ended up texting my boyfriend and letting

36:05

him know what happened and his

36:07

reply was, wow he's brave in the morning

36:10

and that was red flag number two. So

36:14

that was a good

36:16

time. I hope

36:19

you enjoyed my my pain.

36:22

Take care. Bye. So

36:25

it wasn't her boyfriend that did it, it

36:27

was her boyfriend's roommates but she

36:30

refers to it as red flags. Clearly a

36:33

red flag. If you're

36:35

dating a guy to the point that you're like

36:37

staying over his place and like kind of getting

36:39

yourself ready and leaving like after he's already gone

36:42

for work. If you're at that point in your

36:44

relationship and his roommate does

36:46

this and you're the

36:48

guy you're dating just kind of laughs it off, oh

36:50

my god be done with him. Oh

36:52

yeah like if he doesn't punch him out and

36:55

move and like yeah that's a crazy

36:57

there is no other response than

36:59

to yeah. It's unhinged

37:02

behavior. And like

37:04

four hours go to the hospital. How

37:07

did that happen? Well

37:09

I've heard stories of people taking

37:11

like the medicine like the erectile

37:13

dysfunction medicine and like having like

37:15

those kinds of problems but

37:18

other than that. I was bit by like

37:20

a spider I heard. Bit where?

37:25

I didn't ask. Okay.

37:27

But yeah. Either way

37:30

I'm pretty sure that's not normal. Yeah

37:32

I don't know. That's

37:34

just so creepy. Help yourself. Get

37:37

away from it. What

37:39

is like what was he expecting to happen? You

37:43

know what it is for the last four

37:45

hours this guy was in his room watching

37:47

porn where like these sorts of things play

37:49

out okay. You're so right. Yeah

37:52

and he's like the reason he's had an erection

37:54

for four hours is because he's been watching porn

37:56

for four and a half hours. It

37:58

was probably like 10 a.m. Yeah,

38:01

he's been up all night

38:03

watching porn and it's

38:05

like it's kind of like you know someone plays

38:07

a violent video game too long and then they

38:09

go do some horrible thing this guy watches too

38:11

much porn and his worldview is so distorted that

38:13

he thinks this is going to turn

38:16

into like the stuff of dreams. Instead,

38:19

it involves her like feeling no, no,

38:21

no, no, no and storming out of

38:23

her heart and breaking

38:25

up with the guy. How

38:29

many relationships did this guy cost his

38:31

roommate? My

38:33

question is how's it ever worked? I

38:37

don't know. You don't try it

38:39

I guess but I guess I was going to

38:41

say he probably thought to himself the

38:43

worst thing she could say was no and

38:45

she did four times. Yeah, no, no, no,

38:50

definitely a creep unquestionably

38:53

a creepy thing to do. A

38:55

creep in like a douche bag just like

38:57

would do that to make someone feel like

38:59

of course you're going to make her feel

39:01

so uncomfortable first thing in the morning like

39:03

come on buddy. Or like maybe he

39:05

was just so delusional. He was like she's

39:08

been giving me like bedroom eyes. I bet she

39:10

wants me and I'm going to offer. She's

39:13

tired because she hasn't had a coffee yet. Right,

39:16

and I bet she got home at 2am. Yeah,

39:18

she woke right up when you said that I bet.

39:23

Here's another creep. This is along the same lines.

39:25

This is a good segue from roommate

39:27

to friend's dad. You

39:31

mentioned this one earlier and I was like I cannot

39:33

wait for the dad one. This

39:36

is we'll call this story my

39:38

brother's friend's creepy dad. This

39:41

story comes out of Brampton, Ontario. We've

39:43

had a few stories from Brampton. I think so. Hi

39:46

there. This is

39:49

my submission for Encounters with Creeps. This

39:52

story comes from the late 90s

39:54

or really early 2000s in the suburbs

39:56

of Brampton, Ontario. This

39:58

is from when I was about 10 years old. old. So

40:01

I was asked to fetch my younger brother from

40:03

his friend's place down the street because it was

40:06

dinner time. I hadn't really been

40:08

to that house before but I had seen

40:10

the friend's father at the local park before

40:12

so I kind of I was like

40:14

okay I'll go and do that. So

40:17

I rang the doorbell and his father answered. I

40:19

told him why I was there and he invited me in.

40:22

I politely declined and thought that'd be it. He

40:26

stood there and didn't make any moves to

40:28

alert my brother of my presence. I

40:31

asked him again to go get my brother and he said

40:34

not until you come inside with the sinister

40:36

grin on his face. I

40:38

reiterated that we were in a hurry and he continued

40:40

to try to coax me into the house. Alarm

40:44

bells started ringing in my head. I'd

40:46

never really been trained on stranger danger

40:48

before but I knew something seemed really

40:50

off. From

40:52

the doorstep I tried calling my brother but he laughed

40:55

and said they wouldn't be able to hear me

40:58

from the basement. My

41:00

heart was pounding and I stood my ground and threatened

41:02

to come back with my own father

41:04

which finally made him shrug and go get my

41:06

brother. When we returned home I told my father

41:09

what happened and he said I should always listen to

41:11

my gut. I refused to ever go near that house again. I

41:14

don't want to even think about what could

41:16

have potentially happened. I've

41:21

definitely tried to listen to my gut

41:23

a lot more now and usually if

41:25

my gut's getting a weird feeling

41:27

about someone it's right. So be

41:30

safe out there. Thanks. Great advice

41:32

because one thing

41:34

we've learned

41:38

in so many of these stories is like trust

41:41

your gut. If something tells you something is weird

41:43

and maybe it seems illogical but there's

41:45

something within you that's like I don't know about

41:47

this I don't know about this. Trust

41:50

your gut. Good lord. Always.

41:52

Yeah. You want to talk to this one? What are

41:54

your thoughts on this man trying to get this 10

41:56

year old girl to come in the house? That

41:59

guy's lucky because she He told her dad, this

42:01

guy's lucky her dad didn't go over and knock

42:04

him out. Oh yeah, there's a lot of dads

42:06

who would not be like, oh don't

42:08

go back there, trust your guy. Yeah,

42:11

he'd be like, give me a moment. I'll

42:13

be like that. I gotta go grab something.

42:15

Yeah, exactly. From his face. Want

42:18

me to go to my shed

42:20

and get a power tool. Yeah,

42:23

well I don't know, what was this guy's idea?

42:25

I think... I

42:27

don't know. Whatever it was,

42:30

just like the Dr. Barami we talked

42:32

about at the beginning of this episode,

42:35

if you're in a position like this guy

42:37

is, you

42:40

need to consider, you

42:42

would never do anything to make a 10

42:44

year old girl feel uncomfortable. She

42:47

knocks on the door to get her younger brother,

42:50

so let's just say her seven year old brother

42:52

is downstairs, why would you be like, not until

42:54

you come in? Weird

42:56

smirk. Dude, you are

42:58

sick. And he

43:00

would for sure, had dad gone over and been

43:02

like, what's your problem? He would have been like,

43:04

oh I was just like teasing. I'm kidding

43:07

with the kids, come on. She

43:10

clearly showed signs of being uncomfortable

43:12

and probably scared, and

43:15

she had to threaten her own father

43:17

coming over. Like,

43:20

reassess your audience if that's the

43:22

way you tease. She

43:25

also said that she was yelling to her, she yelled

43:27

to her brother like, Jimmy, come on

43:29

up. He's like, he can't hear you. This

43:34

guy's a creep. Oh, that,

43:36

yeah. I hope that they

43:38

never let her brother go over there. If

43:43

I was the dad on the receiving end, oh yeah,

43:45

my kids would never be going over there again. You're

43:48

freaking. Yeah, how about that poor kid? That poor kid. We've

44:01

got two more left. I'm gonna

44:03

say we have another one that's really advice

44:05

oriented. I'm gonna save that although this would

44:07

be a good segue to it because the

44:10

story we just heard did end with some

44:12

advice about trusting your gut. But we'll come

44:14

back to advice as we go. Let's

44:16

hear... Now actually, now

44:18

that I think of it, we have three stories in a

44:20

row that end with advice because this

44:23

one also has a bit of a

44:25

public service announcement in us. This is

44:28

going to be Nat's Creep Story and

44:31

a bit of a PSA about hotels. Hi

44:35

Jordan and Madeline. Here is my

44:37

Creep Story. I was

44:39

in grade 8 and we

44:42

were going on a school trip to

44:44

Montreal and it was

44:47

the biggest trip of the year

44:49

for us. We had to go

44:51

to a hotel and

44:53

we were going to do all the sightseeing

44:55

and excursions that one does in Montreal when

44:57

you're in grade 8. However,

44:59

the time of year that we went,

45:01

it was the family cup finals and

45:05

Montreal was playing. They lost

45:07

and if you know anything about hockey,

45:09

Montreal fans got a little bit rowdy

45:12

and wild and were very upset that

45:14

they lost and they

45:16

ended up rioting in the streets. So

45:19

here we are as 13, 14 year olds in

45:21

a hotel. We were told that

45:24

all of our excursions for the evening

45:26

were cancelled and we had to stay

45:28

in our hotel rooms. So

45:30

what do teenagers do when you're in a

45:33

hotel? You find

45:35

trouble or maybe trouble finds you.

45:37

So we were in our hotel

45:39

room and I walk over

45:41

to the other room since our rooms are connected

45:43

to our friends and I

45:46

see my friends opening the window

45:48

and looking across the window to

45:50

an apartment complex and

45:52

we see these group of men and they

45:55

were doing explicit

45:59

things at the hotel room. the window

46:01

you can fill in the blanks to

46:03

us and I'm assuming that

46:05

they were probably I would

46:07

say frat boy age so that could be

46:09

in him early to mid 20s does

46:12

that excuse what they did I don't think so

46:15

so obviously my friends were freaking out

46:17

and screaming and you don't know what

46:19

to do with that situation we ran

46:23

outside to go tell

46:25

our teacher what was going on they

46:27

ended up having to call the cops

46:29

the cops went to that apartment complex

46:31

and found that room and they

46:33

had to tell them to obviously stop what they

46:35

were doing I don't know if

46:37

they got charges later or not that's

46:42

neither here nor there however they didn't

46:45

know how old we were but should they have

46:47

been doing that outside a window

46:50

to a hotel window next door

46:53

where they could obviously see young

46:55

girls probably not

46:58

so I guess that just goes to tell you please

47:01

don't do anything in a

47:04

window or have people looking at you just

47:06

from that point on I've always been super cautious

47:09

about windows and you

47:11

know if someone's changing or even

47:13

if you're sleeping just always close

47:15

those lines because your privacy is

47:17

important to you so

47:19

that's my story thank you so much and

47:21

you guys have an awesome podcast always

47:24

enjoy listening by now so

47:26

I guess our options are creeps or idiots

47:31

both can they be both

47:33

diagram yeah like what creeps

47:35

and idiots where they meet

47:37

is they're right in the

47:39

middle showing explicit

47:41

things to underage girls

47:43

from a hotel window well I

47:46

just want to know first how many were

47:49

there and second who came up

47:51

with the idea and why did why were

47:53

the others like awesome

47:55

idea yeah like this

47:58

you are right let's do this And

48:00

if it's like a group of four guys in a

48:02

room together

48:05

doing this, what is going

48:07

on in that? What music were

48:09

they listening to? Rave

48:12

music. Rave music from the 90s. That

48:16

is a really odd thing for a group of

48:18

guys to do. Imagine

48:20

their stupid faces when the cops showed us.

48:23

They were like, eww. We didn't think they'd

48:25

tell on us. We could get in

48:28

serious trouble if it's underage. You could

48:30

get on a list for something like

48:33

that. I

48:35

don't know what they were doing, but I'm

48:38

just trying to think that these frat boys

48:40

being idiots, I could see like mooning someone

48:42

out a window and being like, ha ha

48:44

ha, we just mooned someone. But

48:46

I have a feeling what they were doing was

48:48

different than that. I

48:51

have a feeling the girls wouldn't have been so

48:53

traumatized enough to tell their

48:55

teacher if it was just

48:57

their ass. Yes, okay.

49:00

Yeah. And if it isn't just

49:02

their ass, that's

49:05

where I'm like, the guys

49:07

are in the room doing this together?

49:12

What is happening? It's not funny. It's

49:14

just like, what is happening? What are you guys doing?

49:16

Is this how you have fun? Is this how you pass

49:18

the time? They are

49:20

some serious creeps. Check

49:26

it out. There's young girls over in

49:28

that hotel. Come to the window. Oh

49:31

man. The cops

49:33

going over though, that must have scared the hell

49:35

out of them. Injustifiably

49:38

so. Yeah, I don't

49:40

know. But then again, it's like playing

49:42

devil's advocate. These guys

49:44

hopefully didn't realize they were

49:47

underage. They would at least

49:49

have some plausible deniability. But

49:51

still, if it was still a random adult that

49:53

you're doing that to. Well, it's

49:55

not like it was clearly on

49:58

purpose. So there's a saying. says

50:00

you either have a naked

50:02

window neighbor or you are the

50:04

naked window neighbor. Talk

50:06

through that. You know? No, I don't. Talk through

50:09

it. You either have a neighbor

50:11

that you constantly see like walking

50:13

around in their underwear or topless or

50:15

you are that neighbor. Okay, because I'm just

50:17

thinking I don't have one. Me

50:20

neither. But I often think about

50:22

how often I walk around like

50:25

with no pants on. And I'm like, oh,

50:28

you know, I think I've even taken the garbage out with

50:30

no pants on. Oh, really? Because I'm

50:32

like, you know what, this no one's gonna think. This

50:36

is okay. Oh,

50:40

I hope we get a creepy story from your

50:42

neighbor. Right. It's not like a

50:44

it's not like people you're naked.

50:47

Your naked window neighbor isn't doing it our

50:49

purpose. They're not trying to get a rise

50:51

out of you. It's just like,

50:53

oh, someone's always wearing a shirt again.

50:57

These people are different, though. These guys.

50:59

Exactly. And yeah, I'm

51:01

sure there was some alcohol in that room.

51:03

But I bet you everybody sobered right up

51:05

when the cops showed up. And so like,

51:07

you know, like there's kids over there, right?

51:10

That you're. And you can't tell

51:12

me that you think 13, 14 year

51:14

olds are like your age, even

51:16

from which is 20. Yeah, even

51:18

from across a way, you would

51:21

know. I would I would hope

51:23

so. Yeah, these guys are creeps. I guess

51:25

the ultimately our goal is to decide if

51:27

this is an encounter with a creep. Yes,

51:29

it is. Yes. Now,

51:33

let's end with a bang. I got a good one here. This

51:35

is her name

51:37

is Erica, but she may

51:40

be my spirit animal. She is giving

51:43

feedback on some prior stories we

51:45

talked about in previous creep encounter

51:47

series, creep encounter volumes. We

51:50

talked of a story about breastfeeding

51:52

at one point. And we've talked

51:54

multiple times about public pools or

51:57

having children be nude in public

51:59

in. that being kind of the

52:01

lure that brings the creep over. And she's

52:03

giving her thoughts or maybe some advice on

52:06

how to handle those situations. It was

52:08

a good one. Hey, Jordan. Hey,

52:10

everybody listening. This is Erica

52:12

from Vancouver Island, and I am listening to

52:15

the most recent Encounters of Creeps. I have

52:17

lots of creep stories. I'm going to spare

52:19

you those today. I just wanted to chip

52:21

in my two cents on something. I'm listening

52:23

to the part of the episode where you

52:25

guys are talking about children being

52:27

nude in public or women nursing in public.

52:30

And I had two little kids

52:32

that I breastfed, and I

52:34

have a counterpoint to the argument of, it's

52:37

a good idea to be allowed to

52:39

do it, but you wouldn't want to do it because of

52:41

all the onlookers and the pervs. I

52:43

think for me personally, that's why I did

52:45

it. I would whip out a titty wherever

52:47

I needed to get it done and feed

52:50

my kids. And I wouldn't let creepy

52:52

old men in Alberta at the time

52:55

stare at me like, oh my goodness, the side

52:58

of your boob. I would do

53:00

it and make eye contact with those people. And

53:02

if anybody was giving me a vibe while I

53:04

was doing something with my kids, like getting them

53:06

changed or nursing them, I would

53:08

stare back because the

53:11

reason that people feel uncomfortable doing

53:13

this in public is because shying

53:15

away from it lets those creepy people

53:18

win. And these conservative old dudes that

53:20

think it's disgusting and sexualized to have

53:22

your breasts out to feed your baby

53:25

or letting your kids run around in

53:27

the buff when they're tiny and it's hot out, I

53:30

think it's letting them win to be

53:33

discreet. And to me,

53:35

it's the beginning of a slippery slope

53:37

of the revocation of freedom or maybe

53:39

the revocation of people's right to be

53:41

existing in their body in a way

53:43

that makes them comfortable. I

53:45

just think it sets a really bad

53:48

precedent and is a very conservative move

53:50

for the people that would like the

53:52

freedom to not exercise the freedom because

53:55

of fear of either judgment or discomfort

53:57

provided by the people that would seek

53:59

to... press it. So I

54:01

say whip out a tit anytime I say let

54:03

your kids run around naked if you see someone

54:05

filming them karate chop that phone into the water

54:08

but I don't think your kids should suffer because

54:10

there are creeps out there and that's just my

54:12

two cents. You don't

54:14

have to play this it's all good you feel free

54:16

to chop it up however you want but I

54:18

just feel really strongly about that if I think that people should

54:22

people should just fucking do it and we shouldn't let

54:24

the weirdos dictate how we live our lives. Love

54:26

the show have a good day. I like

54:29

her. I do too. And she's right. Oh

54:32

yeah she speaks facts. Yeah

54:35

if you see someone filming your kid at the

54:37

public pool karate chop the phone with her hand

54:39

into the water is a good one. I like

54:42

that. But I really like right oh

54:44

absolutely I really like the mental

54:47

image of her breastfeeding a baby

54:49

at the mall and noticing like a weirdo

54:52

like looking over at her and then just

54:54

staring at him while you're breastfeeding like that

54:57

there's no creep that could handle that. Oh

55:00

no because yeah no they would

55:02

just they would melt they would like buckle

55:04

under the pressure because they know that they're

55:06

wrong. Yeah because a lot of the creeps

55:09

we hear about have kind of like voyeuristic

55:11

kind of side to them like they're at

55:13

the public pool watching the kids or they're

55:15

at the mall like watching some woman breastfeeding

55:17

or something or something they want to like

55:19

peek and get away with it and get

55:21

like a free glimpse of a boob but

55:24

if that woman is just sitting there staring right at

55:26

I'm like look at it but that

55:28

takes all the pleasure away for him

55:31

and probably makes that creep like high-tail

55:33

it out of that mall. I

55:35

am not only going to do that

55:37

but I'm gonna scowl while looking. I

55:40

love her. I love her. Me too. Well

55:49

and I actually you and I follow

55:51

each other on Instagram and

55:53

she just reminds me of I just

55:55

shared a video of a woman

55:58

she's holding her little baby. And

56:01

she goes, this is exactly how you

56:03

should deal with unsolicited parenting advice.

56:06

She stops and you can hear that it's her voicing

56:08

it over. And it says, you

56:10

know, you really shouldn't hold your baby so much because

56:12

it's going to develop an attachment issue. And

56:15

she looks and goes, go f***

56:17

yourself. Yeah.

56:22

So that's yeah, that's what she wrote. I bet

56:24

that was her. That was

56:26

Erica's video. That was Erica. This

56:29

was quite the collection. So we're at the tail

56:32

end of it here. We have still, I

56:35

have enough creep encounters in the

56:37

can for another two episodes. But

56:39

we're always looking for more. So

56:41

if anyone's listening, everyone

56:43

listening right now has a creep

56:45

story. We want to hear about

56:48

them. So go to nighttimepodcast.com/contact. That

56:50

website page, that web page has

56:52

a built in app that allows

56:54

you to record your creep encounter.

56:56

Don't worry about misspeak or whatever

56:58

else. I can clean it all up before it

57:00

goes to air. But

57:03

do it now. I'm dying to hear

57:05

about the time you encountered a creep.

57:07

Have we gotten any that we haven't

57:09

aired that is the creep?

57:13

And like they're almost like, I

57:15

don't know, not asking if they're the creep, but are

57:17

they like trying to justify their creepiness? Have you

57:20

gotten any of those? We've never had

57:22

any creeps like come forward and like

57:24

who self identify as creepy. But

57:27

we did have one guy a while

57:29

back. I don't recall. It

57:31

was probably like around like volume 10

57:34

or maybe nine where it was a guy kind

57:36

of describing something. And I think we both said

57:38

like the person leaving this voicemail is the creep

57:41

in the situation. But I don't remember. I

57:44

think he was a trucker and he

57:46

made a joke about like killing someone.

57:49

Yes, yes, this is. Yeah.

57:53

And he goes, oh, good. Can I get a ride?

57:55

I'm like, yeah, sure. Fine. Let

57:58

me move the three. Good. ochre's out

58:00

of the back. No

58:02

problem. He turned

58:04

around and walked away and I said

58:07

it really loud too. That was

58:09

the one time I think we ruled that

58:11

the caller was in fact the creep. Right.

58:15

But no, we've never had like, hello, I don't

58:17

want to say my name because I'm a creep

58:19

and here's what I do. And that

58:21

would be interesting if we did get callers or creeps.

58:24

Maybe they aren't actually always creepy, but

58:26

like they did something in hindsight. They

58:29

were like, oh my God, that was

58:31

so creepy. I would like to get

58:33

that. I will reveal

58:35

something that's upcoming is I did

58:38

receive a message from

58:41

a listener who they

58:44

didn't send as a voicemail yet, but

58:47

they've had a creep encounter with somebody

58:49

who seems to

58:51

have kind of targeted their profession. And

58:54

I'm working on getting a

58:56

collection of stories about a

58:58

super unlikely profession that was

59:00

targeted by one prolific

59:04

creep. So that's going to be

59:06

coming in an upcoming episode. So, okay.

59:08

I'm, I'm looking forward to this.

59:12

I'll give you a hint. It involves sleep

59:14

therapy. Oh,

59:16

no. Mm hmm. And,

59:19

and I guess allegations of a

59:21

fetish related to sleep therapy. I've

59:23

already revealed too much. Okay.

59:25

Well, we'll come back. Well,

59:28

let's wrap this up. Madeline, how does

59:31

volume 14 compare to all the

59:33

prior volumes? Is this a good one? This

59:36

is, I was actually just thinking, I was

59:38

like, this, this might be our best yet

59:40

or worst whichever however you want to think

59:43

of it. I think we say that every

59:45

time we, like I do always enjoy it.

59:47

I'm running out of material. Yeah. I always

59:49

enjoy it though. That's for sure. All

59:52

right. Well, let's wrap this up. Madeline

59:55

Klein, you take care of that beautiful baby.

59:57

I do like when we get voicemails from

59:59

listeners. who are still now congratulating you.

1:00:02

Me too. It's so nice. And

1:00:05

I just posted on TikTok. And I like

1:00:07

I don't want to put her on TikTok

1:00:09

because I've got a big following on TikTok and not

1:00:11

everyone needs to see her. But I

1:00:14

posted and you can kind of

1:00:16

like just see the side of her head. And

1:00:18

lots of people are like, Oh my god, like

1:00:20

congratulations, because I haven't really announced that I have

1:00:22

a baby on TikTok yet. So that was

1:00:24

really nice. The big hint was when you didn't post

1:00:26

for three months. Oh, it's been

1:00:28

longer. I started my hiatus when

1:00:31

I was like, six

1:00:33

months pregnant. It's

1:00:35

like I'm over this. All

1:00:39

right, well, we'll be back soon for

1:00:41

another edition of Encounters with Creeps. But

1:00:43

I think next on our list, we

1:00:46

generally we've been cycling between an

1:00:48

Encounters with Creeps episode, Do

1:00:50

You Want to Date an Inmate episode

1:00:53

where you and I look at profiles,

1:00:55

dating profiles of incarcerated

1:00:57

criminals in Canada, and

1:01:00

then our standalone stories. So I think we're

1:01:02

due next for a standalone Canadian crime story.

1:01:04

So we'll be back with that. I

1:01:13

want to thank you for joining Madeline and I for

1:01:15

this episode of Nighttime. I'm going to start wrapping up

1:01:17

the episode. But before we part, let me end with

1:01:20

some thanks. First, a huge and

1:01:22

sincere thanks to everyone who took the time

1:01:24

to share their creep encounters with us. These

1:01:26

stories, as usual, serve as a great reminder

1:01:29

to keep our eyes open, our wits about

1:01:31

us and to trust our guts. And

1:01:34

to any listeners who have a story to share that

1:01:36

haven't already done so, we're going to be doing a

1:01:38

whole bunch more episodes in this series and we'd love

1:01:40

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1:01:42

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1:01:44

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1:01:51

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1:01:53

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1:01:55

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1:01:57

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1:02:00

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1:02:02

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